It's detrimental unless you've hunted down Artemis's Exit Wounds.
That's not true. You just want your casts back asap to do more damage. It's huge on bosses.
#h1-builds-and-combat
cunning urchin
magic dagger
I don't remember the buff applying to standard dash-strikes
cunning urchin
Haelface Today at 7:33 AM
I'd advise trusting this lady over literally anyone else when it comes to fists
HaelfaceToday at 7:41 AM
I'm gonna need to test that one again then
Such fickle loyalty.
manic ruin
If I swap off of a keepsake, can i use it again?
sullen valley
C'mon man, there's kids around.
magic dagger
Such fickle loyalty.
@cunning urchin lol I just said I would try out a boon based solely on your advice
that's the opposite of fickle
cunning urchin
No, you said you need to test it.
magic dagger
sure
because I'm not sure if the huge bonus to dash-strikes will be worth it for... uhhhh
some. of my builds
sullen valley
And for Hera, it can work with Stygian I guess, but I'd at least want to downgrade it so I can keep the debuffs on my enemies longer instead of shorter.
cunning urchin
@manic ruin how dare you utter such foul language on these hallowed grounds, blackguard! Draw your weapon! @magic dagger and I shall vanquish you! 🔫 
manic ruin
...ow?
magic dagger
two against one... hardly seems fair
ahhh, well
let's finish this quickly
@manic ruin watch your mouth
cunning urchin
pew pew pew 🔫
manic ruin
Hmm is it ever worth not going for the second dash on hermes?
Cause I can get the greater haste epic (40%) or 1 dash
cunning urchin
Get 1 Dash.
magic dagger
haste all the way
zag sword
hermes plume
don't even bother with rush delivery because your build is already perfect
manic ruin
I'm confused
cunning urchin
He just likes Haste. Don't take him too seriously.
sullen valley
I always take Greatest Reflex
More dashes = IV frames and room to adjust from your mistakes
vague marten
Alright I'm I dumb what exactly does the Bow Aspect of Hera mod which loads a cast into the bow do, I swear it doesn't do anything 
sullen valley
You're asking what it does, right?
vague marten
Yeah
magic dagger
you can load multiple casts and hit a single enemy with all of them at once
manic ruin
If u have Dio cast, makes ur arrows an aoe nuke. It's so fun
manic ruin
^^
sullen valley
Wait, you can load multiple casts into Hera too?!
cunning urchin
Yes lol.
magic dagger
lol
sullen valley
I'm-
magic dagger
thought you'd like that
cunning urchin
You'll need to use your Attack to unload your casts on your enemies.
sullen valley
vague marten
How do I load casts into it?
magic dagger
by casting
cunning urchin
You just press your Cast button/key.
manic ruin
Heartbreaker strike? Or should I aim for Zeus attack
vague marten
That's what I thought maybe I'm just not seeing it
cunning urchin
@manic ruin could you link a screenshot of your boon list?
sullen valley
It's a subtle effect. If you have a Cast missing (i.e. 0/1) but you aren't regenerating/your cast isn't active, then you have it loaded.
It also produces a particle effect when loading
vague marten
Mhmm maybe I need to pay closer attention to it
manic ruin
Can't post photo
Epic demeter special
Rare demeter cast
Rare rave will
Concentrated knuckle
sullen valley
Rave Will?
cunning urchin
Ravenous Will.
sullen valley
Aaah
magic dagger
Rave Will
manic ruin
Choices are:
Aphro attack rare
Aphro Cast epic
10% damage reduction
cunning urchin
Take the Cast.
cunning urchin
Take the Thunder Signet into the next region.
sullen valley
You already have a CQC loadout, Aphrodite Cast is pretty nice for CQC.
manic ruin
Yeah, currently have athena, trying to get dash
sullen valley
It's also pretty awesome in damage anyway
cunning urchin
Picking the Cast will increase the odds that he'll offer you his Attack (because the odds that he'll offer his Cast will go down drastically).
sullen valley
Is, that actually how it works?
cunning urchin
Yes.
sullen valley
Or is it because the Attack slot is free and that chance is applicable to any Olympian?
magic dagger
always has been
cunning urchin
It works for any Olympian, yes. Exchanges are very rare.
sullen valley
Thought as much. Neat!
cunning urchin
Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash also take priority over other boons. So I think you're guaranteed to see at least one of them if you have any free priority slots.
sullen valley
Are Calls in the "Rare" category of spawn chances?
as in Rare, Epic, Heroickinda dealio
magic dagger
calls can be common, rare, epic or heroic
cunning urchin
Nope. They're just not a priority boon.
sullen valley
Ah
magic dagger
like any other boon
sullen valley
No I mean like
If we put the spawn chances of a boon, regardless of rarity, into a category comparable to something we're familiar with,
Attack, Special, Dash boons being "Common," Duos and Legendaries being "Heroic"
manic ruin
Is breaching cross ever worth it? If not imma go for explosive upper
magic dagger
BREACHING CROSS IS 100% WORTH IT.
cunning urchin
Yes.
manic ruin
Okay
sullen valley
That's the Anti-armor Dash-Attack right?
magic dagger
armor SUCKS and you don't want enemies to have it
manic ruin
Ys
sullen valley
True! Redacted is verrrrry fun with armor, yes.
manic ruin
900% damage to armor
cunning urchin
Breaching Cross is easily the #1 upgrade.
magic dagger
breaching cross was the only way to handle bruisers back in the day
cunning urchin
Only at extremely high heat, Long Knuckle might be worth more. But it's pretty close, then, too.
manic ruin
I have zeus keepsake, still haven't found one. But I've found my fifth demeter boon!
cunning urchin
Explosive Upper is about even with Breaching Cross only on Demeter Aspect.
magic dagger
breaching cross often makes the difference between a stunlocked elite and an elite that's beating the crap out of you
cunning urchin
Alter?
magic dagger
authority
manic ruin
The thing that trolls the room
cunning urchin
Oh.
manic ruin
*rerolls
magic dagger
*trolls
cunning urchin
Nah, might as well go with the trial.
manic ruin
...oops
cunning urchin
Pick Lady Aphrodite first because not picking her first is blasphemy.
cunning urchin
🔫
manic ruin
But on the bright side, I got zeus?
cunning urchin
Oh, that worked out.
cunning urchin
Take the Attack.
shut moth
So Smoldering Air + Rip Current + Poseidon's Call just turns me into a literal wrecking ball at all times, huh?
shut moth
2 second charge, 2.5 second SMASH
cunning urchin
Smoldering Air takes 5 seconds to charge.
shut moth
i guess im just charging it faster by punching everything
shut moth
doesn't killing freeze effectively reduce enemy hp by 10%
or am i thinking of a different one
cunning urchin
You're thinking of Winter Harvest.
manic ruin
No idea, but it does do 40dmg a second
magic dagger
killing freeze
cunning urchin
I'd take Killing Freeze or Mistral Dash unless you really need the healing right now to not die.
magic dagger
definitely killing freeze
cunning urchin
Yeah, then take the healing lol.
magic dagger
well in that case
shut moth
well that changes things
manic ruin
Aiming for the guy who refills revives
cunning urchin
You can't "aim" for him, really. He either shows up or doesn't.
manic ruin
Damn. Sad
cunning urchin
Can't rely on that.
shut moth
I just got the prophecy to ||kill charon twice in a row||. I don't even know how to ||kill him ONCE in a row.||
cunning urchin
@raw violet has a video of him doing the fight without getting hit once. Maybe you can learn some tactics from that.
manic ruin
...just found him :*(
sullen valley
I feel like I'd feel bad about stealing from Charon
manic ruin
If you can counter his slash, it does 400 to him
sullen valley
And I don't mean physically bad
||I know I'll feel physically bad about stealing from Charon||
shut moth
i don't wanna watch
manic ruin
Does storm lightning bounce to the same target?
shut moth
i don't wanna see the whole fight if im not in it
if it hits another one first
it can bounce back and forth i think
cunning urchin
What else is he offering?
manic ruin
Static discharge and zeus aid, so probably static discharge?
shut moth
I get to call every 2 seconds and i have the zeus boon that gives me dmg up after calling
manic ruin
U mentioned that one before
cunning urchin
Hmm. Storm Lightning unlocks the Legendary, Static Discharge unlocks Cold Fusion, Zeus' Aid unlocks Smoldering Air.
manic ruin
I've never taken it before so I need to for prophecy but static seems so much better
cunning urchin
Oh, then I would go for the prophecy.
manic ruin
Okay
cunning urchin
Getting those prophecy rewards will help you in the long run.
shut moth
wait i have cold embrace
manic ruin
Time for the main event
shut moth
im a wrecking ball WITH LASERS
cunning urchin
Was that your last boon before the final boss?
bronze sorrel
I mean, do the prophesy rewards for the god boons really make a difference? 100 gems is almost nothing...
bronze sorrel
Source: I completed all of them and still have a bajillion things left to get from the contractor
shut moth
Typhoon's fury won't help with the boss
sea storm might, but i want the money to buy blood
i can't knock the final boss away. sea storm won't work
cunning urchin
@bronze sorrel I honestly don't remember what the rewards for any particular prophecies are. I did them ages ago, and some of the rewards changed since lol.
shut moth
one prophecy gives 15 blood
bronze sorrel
Sea storm will still work on bosses
cunning urchin
It's still nice to make some permanent progress with the prophecies, anyway.
magic dagger
it deals damage when he moves
magic dagger
so it's still good
cunning urchin
You can knock back bosses.
manic ruin
@cunning urchin no, was for theseus and mino, but that's the line Zag said as he walked in
shut moth
you can't knock back THE GUY
bronze sorrel
It's still nice to make some permanent progress with the prophecies, anyway.
@cunning urchin
Oh for sure I still did them all, even the dang fishing one...
cunning urchin
They just don't get pushed anywhere near as much.
shut moth
also i didn't get the money
i mean i didn't get ENOUGH
i can't get the blood
but i can buy boons i guyss
manic ruin
If I want to get duo boon, should I keep Zeus or go for another keepsake?
shut moth
but what i really want is a ||trout||
cunning urchin
You should take the Acorn into the Temple of Styx.
bronze sorrel
Just not sure I'd prioritize those specific prophesies over finishing a run
I really want to get the other two greek fish. Also, still need a void skate to finish my PoseiDex
lunar salmon
did they do anything with EM3 or did I get used to fighting golden theseus
magic dagger
You should take the Acorn into the Temple of Styx.
You should take the Egg into the Temple of Styx.
cunning urchin
Nah.
bronze sorrel
It is worth a prophesy if you beat redacted
bronze sorrel
And more importantly, Chaos will be amused
cunning urchin
You need to have the prophesy first, anyway.
manic ruin
Why do you sometimes get 2 keys or 50 hp from items instead of normal amount?
bronze sorrel
We live to serve their emenance
cunning urchin
2 keys are from elite chambers.
manic ruin
Same with centaur heart thing?
cunning urchin
manic ruin
Thanks!
lunar salmon
getting hermes' legendary boon is a pain
bronze sorrel
Ya, transition has a new icon now
cunning urchin
You get double rewards (50 HP, 200 obols, +2 pom) in Erebus.
dry ember
Also missing Erebus gate
bronze sorrel
Ikr, I keep getting it when I don't want it when I forget to switch of Stygian Soul
cunning urchin
And from the left-hand items in the final shop.
bronze sorrel
It needs a prereq or something
dry ember
It's just cast related I think
magic dagger
I'm never going to tell anyone that in the 13 runs I've done since 1.0 hit I haven't noticed the new transition icon
lunar salmon
as in I need the boon to clear my fates
bronze sorrel
The new transition icon is from blood price lol
magic dagger
then I'm really not going to tell anyone
cunning urchin
It's okay. We'll tell 'em for you.
magic dagger
because that bumped the number of runs since that icon appeared into the hundreds
and telling anyone that I failed to notice for that long would be unthinkable
I would never say such a thing
twin mural
can freezing vortex and hunting blades work at the same time?
bronze sorrel
Is Lysol = Haelion and I never put that together btw?
cunning urchin
No lol.
magic dagger
I'm lysol
cunning urchin
Haelian is a good player. Lysol is Lysol. 
magic dagger
always have been
100% different people
I just thought it would be a good idea to use this pic of Haelian's face that I had lying around as a pfp
bronze sorrel
I've never seen Haelion in the discord so I had to wonder lol
cunning urchin
He posts sometimes in #h1-high-heat-strategies.
magic dagger
Haelian is a good player.
Lysol is Lysol.
@cunning urchin Haelian is a better meme
twin mural
it's a pretty funny face lol
magic dagger
is what I think you meant to say
bronze sorrel
One Hades related discord is enough time sink for me thx lol
cunning urchin
Should I make my own discord? I'm a top player.
Maybe I should have a discord for my fans.
magic dagger
if you stream or put up videos then it's 100% worth it
bronze sorrel
No but if you post videos to youtube of your runs I'll watch em.
magic dagger
it takes like half an hour to make a server
cunning urchin
I have videos on YouTube.
twin mural
but yeah uh, any help on the ares duo boons thing?
bronze sorrel
Link?
magic dagger
and if you have fans you can probably get them all there pretty quickly
Link?
@bronze sorrel just look up nyaanyaa mewmew on youtube, she's pretty easy to find
magic dagger
I've never met another Nyaanyaa Mewmew fan afaik
but yeah uh, any help on the ares duo boons thing?
@twin mural not sure tbh
bronze sorrel
Erm, its all just nyan cat videos
magic dagger
rekt
magic dagger
I found her pretty easily, hold up
lunar salmon
I mean, just searching the name would net you her channel
twin mural
as long as you type it like that lol
don't put in spaces in between the nyaas and the mews
lunar salmon
don't do the youtube autofill
cunning urchin
Nah, I definitely have fans. Half the people who voted on my WR on reddit upvoted it. The other half downvoted it.
So that means half the people of reddit at least love me.
manic ruin
Is supernova or double nova better?
manic ruin
Than each other,first upgrade for nemesis
cunning urchin
I feel like half the time when people only mention 2 of the 3 options, it's the third option that's best lol.
manic ruin
Piercing wave?
cunning urchin
Oh.
manic ruin
Lol
magic dagger
double nova is double damage
cunning urchin
I guess Double Nova.
manic ruin
Thank you!
lunar salmon
isn't it dependent on which aspect you're on?
also I assume based on the name it's sword?
manic ruin
I love how you can special dash, and it cancels the animation
lunar salmon
(i'm bad with names)
magic dagger
the choice between double nova, super nova, and piercing wave is not aspect-dependent
cunning urchin
Is there a Crit two?
manic ruin
There might be, haven't found it yet
lunar salmon
Is there a Crit two?
...
cunning urchin
Actually, Super Nova is potentially the better choice for Poseidon.
rigid urchin
double nova basically deals double damage, but any enemies caught in it can almost certainly retaliate immediately, since it won't push them back. Since the damage focus on the stygian blade is attack, especially the aspect of nemesis, I would usually pick super nova for the improved blast radius
magic dagger
the special still has hitstun
bronze sorrel
Well I started watching one of Nyaanyaas videos and immediately got side tracked trying to remember what the anime theme playings in the background is from...
cunning urchin
lol
magic dagger
blasphemy
manic ruin
Is divine strike or special better for sword? Bc game never wants to give me dash
cunning urchin
Divine Strike.
manic ruin
There is also cast
rigid urchin
divine strike, absolutely
magic dagger
special for ME, attack if that's your build
magic dagger
lol
manic ruin
Thanks!
lunar salmon
damn am I the only one who likes using special on sword just to see all the projectiles fly back at once?
cunning urchin
lol it's fun, just in terms of practicality, Divine Strike wins.
lunar salmon
me like jank
magic dagger
damn am I the only one who likes using special on sword just to see all the projectiles fly back at once?
@lunar salmon nope, I do that too
on First-runs, where there are only three viable builds and the best one has divine flourish
second best also has divine flourish
the other one is a hangover build
cunning urchin
You're the only one doing first runs lol. You and Vorime, probably.
magic dagger
maybe more I don't know about
Vorime's the only one with a clear in 1.0 though 
I've been busy
cunning urchin
500 Unique Visitors
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magic dagger
and getting build #3 consistently
cunning urchin
My guide is so popular. 👸🏽
ornate remnant
i'm not sure i like aspect of chaos on shield anymore
magic dagger
you just have to remember that all projectiles go in front of you now
so you can actually hit a single target with more of them at range than used to be possible
manic ruin
Is it ever worth to use a pom on dash?
magic dagger
YES
manic ruin
I can pom dash 1 or strike 2
magic dagger
poseidon dash with a ton of poms is a build by itself
cunning urchin
Pom Divine Strike.
magic dagger
you didn't ask if it was ever worth it to pom divine dash
cunning urchin
Try to get Deadly Flourish soon, then go for their Duo Boon.
magic dagger
but yeah divine strike is better there
cunning urchin
Just gotta consider which option gives you more damage.
manic ruin
Doeant the single dash do that?
cunning urchin
You can try both and use the one you like more.
Just gotta consider which option gives you more damage.
That was for poms.
manic ruin
Ah ok
U said deadly flourish, am I looking for Artemis special or ares special?
Cause i found epic ares special
bronze sorrel
Dragon Ball Super. Genkai Toppa x Survivor. Thats the theme I was trying to remember the source of in the background of Nyaanyaas video. Ok, I can be at peace again having successfully identified the music.
magic dagger
deadly is always arti
manic ruin
Ok
livid comet
aight
anyone got tips for Rama Bow?
trying to get the prophecy
also burned the last of my blood 😦
livid comet
ok, wb boons and general gameplay?
magic dagger
arti or aphro attack
hunter dash
fire at point-blank
it's like arthur but safer
and more damage
if you think you need to deal more damage than you're dealing, open with the special
livid comet
hmm
magic dagger
oh, don't try to get powershots
just fire quickly at point-blank
charge only if you have a lot of time and want some huge overkill
unique crystal
Ngl I just dont like using the bow
Standing still is for losers 
And I'm just straight up bad with it
twin mural
hey i just thought of something
does extra special damage increase maim damage on gilgy?
like, any part of the maiming
the bonus damage received + the burst
magic dagger
Standing still is for losers :blob_triumph:
which is why you use twin shot+explosive shot and fire quickly with dash-strikes at point-blank
fading bluff
I think it's either PS or BB
unique crystal
Sorry, bot, sir
which is why you use twin shot+explosive shot and fire quickly with dash-strikes at point-blank
I'll try that later, actually.
magic dagger
glhf
hard kelp
so i just unlocked demeter, what weapons are good with her boons?
magic dagger
literally any of them
unique crystal
Rn I just love using Hexagryph
Demeter is more general buffs, iirc. Nothing weapon specific
magic dagger
chill is good and her tier-2s are almost gamebreaking
unique crystal
Or wait nevermind
magic dagger
her legendary is 😘👌
twin mural
for general stuff, get things that can apply chill stacks fast
for memes
get her shot
then get her and artemis' duo
vital niche
i got her regen boon for the first time and it almost singlehandedly saved the run
unique crystal
her legendary is 😘👌
facts
magic dagger
her cast is one of the best memes ever
twin mural
even better is if
magic dagger
crystal meeeeeme
unique crystal
Ngl
unique crystal
Her call and that crystal cast saved me against many bosses
unique crystal
Actually, question
How viable is the artemis homing arrow on hit ability
I forget its' name
magic dagger
it can be a pretty good dps bonus
support fire
if you hit a lot and/or are restricted to a poor build, it can be huge
broken karma
support fire is really good with one of the fast attacking weapons
magic dagger
if you happen to have an enemy with 10 or so health left over after an attack, it's nice to have regardless of your dps
broken karma
can support fire arrows crit naturally?
unique crystal
I don't think so
broken karma
ok i just read it again, does not
unique crystal
I think you'd need pressure points for that
broken karma
but with Hunter's Mark and Pressure Points they can crit
i think Marked does that, i am not sure if needs an existing crit precentage or not
i had a run with support fire, deadly reversal, pressure points, hunter's mark and athena's dash
it was really dumb
ornate remnant
what goes well with aspect of demeter
maybe deadly? or just straight up damage with aphro
lunar salmon
deadly special will be great
low echo
Isn't support fire really good with Twin Fists? Swear I finished a run with that in my build
lunar salmon
Yeah support fire is great
dusk moss
Support Fire is amazing with almost any Fists/Rail
lunar salmon
I think if you're dying to furies you might need to work on your dodging and stuff
broken karma
yeah the furies are easily beat with just good fundamentals and patience
play ultra conservatively at first and as you get more confidence and skill become more aggressive
dusk moss
For players starting out, I think finding decent damage is also a big barrier for Meg/furies
broken karma
yeah it does get tiring to peck at them
dusk moss
they wind up doing a harder version of the fight due to not plowing over each phase in 5-10 sec
lunar salmon
which I think is the whole point, to be honest
acoustic venture
Beat the game in 15min
@turbid needle on what heat level
dusk moss
I just did that a day or two ago while farming low heat clears for story (re: 15min clear)
jaunty lotus
i dont really have the patience to do like 30 dmg per dash at her inflated hp while dodging attacks
acoustic venture
I think WR before 1.0 for a clear was like 5ish minutes on 0 heat?
acoustic venture
World Record
lunar salmon
any% is about sub-10 but exactly how long I don't recall
turbid needle
I'm comparing my score with ppl and they usually tkse 30min
dusk moss
WR with RNG manipulation or playing naturally?
lunar salmon
sword poseidon aspect
It's emptied out so I assume it's 1.0
sword poseidon aspect
if it's with artemis' cast it's absolutely broken
livid comet
well I got to the top with Rama
dusk moss
Actually broken broken, or just, Poseidon mult + crit damage is a lot?
lunar salmon
Poseidon mult + crit damage is ridiculous
I got my personal best with that build while trying to clear the story
dusk moss
I'm actually at Hades right now in 15m, just playing for farming
probably could have won in 15 if I didn't stand around
turbid needle
I do aries and hermes
brittle wind
How to unlock sisypus companion?? the one with the boulder??
lunar salmon
just keep talking to sisy
brittle wind
I can't give him anymore nectar
lunar salmon
you'll get there eventually
I gave him nectar until I started giving his boulder nectar
brittle wind
there is only a lock prompt... I already got ambrosia and administrative chamber
boulder?
okay
lunar salmon
and only recently triggered the event
brittle wind
I try to talk to the boulder but I can't lol
lunar salmon
you don't have to give the boulder anything by the way, but I believe triggering the next step requires being able to talk to the rock
limber pine
yeah you need to just keep talking until you ||pay Diamond I think? to help him||
dusk moss
Yeah, you'll get a contract
lunar salmon
yeah, the usual ||contractual modifications||
dusk moss
I don't know if any other character's quest progression matters though
rose iron
I'm starting to wonder if Dion's cast for Beowulf is bugged. I noticed most people have a unique cast when using Beowulf, he doesn't.
spark lotus
How does boss healing in EM4 work? Do I need to always prioritize destroying green urns?
rose iron
So you get some pretty ridiculous damage off the thing.
twin mural
none of the olympian gods need ambrosia for their final heart right?
rose iron
Am I wrong on my feedback thoughts regarding sword, out of curiosity? Is the basic combo just bad compared to dash attacking?
Because I feel like I get more damage out of dash attacks, at least when using the normal and nemesis forms. Arthur plays by its own rules so obviously that's a moot point there.
reef galleon
Sword might be my favorite weapon based solely on the fact that it just has a combo, and 150+ hours in I still avoid dash attack builds just because I find them irritatingly monotonous
jaunty lotus
i cant use sword..
reef galleon
But I do find it strange that dash attack has the same qualities and damage as combo ender.
I think my go to with Sword is attack>attack>special \ special>attack>attack>attack or something along those lines + I hardly attempt to use dash attacks on purpose, so for me it's not even as much about balance as it is about convenience.
jaunty lotus
how do you find the time to combo
bosses aside, cant imagine how i would fight those spear guys in elysium with sword
grave forge
lmfao im playing shield + athena and hermes
lmfaoooo
i keep deflecting
never getting hit
untold quiver
With the boost to the number attacks, I think I'm going to shift my Achilles Spear Building away from Blade Rifts ..... What's everyone having fun with?
hardy dragon
whats the most effective chaos shield build?
trim gate
fierce thicket
what kind of boons are best for the spear? I feel like I have figured out all other weapon's strengths but the spear's.
grave forge
Is heras bow good?
pseudo kiln
YES
grave forge
Thinking of going hera bow + hermes boon that makes cast drop faster
pseudo kiln
I like going for the dyonisus cast
With pad it's pretty unreliable to control as a simple cast
I always mess up my aim
It's one of the strongest cast imho
So having the option to load it into an arrow it's awesome
Does MAD damage
fierce thicket
I tried hera with crush shot and it was dissapointing, the cast usually procs behind the target
grave forge
Artemis + ares + hermes
pseudo kiln
Any aspect*
grave forge
Used zeus + cold god
fierce thicket
I really like poseidon aspect and don't see many people talk about it
grave forge
Broken
fierce thicket
poseidon + exit wounds works every time
fierce thicket
just artemis
pseudo kiln
Oh kk
fierce thicket
she offers it once you have a cast boon
pseudo kiln
And for a boon which one you recommend?
fierce thicket
crush shot is the strongest but you can use anything else
pseudo kiln
Ali usually grab artemis if i'm not running a cast build
fierce thicket
art's is good for single target damage
fierce thicket
art is actually pretty good for cast builds, good cast boon, exit wounds, fully loaded
pseudo kiln
Yeah i meant her cast if i dont really need a cast
I grab hers just in case i might need it against shielded opponents
But yeah she got some nice abilities
fierce thicket
her cast is basically a slightly upgraded normal cast
untold quiver
Artimis Posidon Blade has gotten me to 15 heat it's crazy strong
ebon tinsel
zeus w posidon blade is good too
pseudo kiln
Poison blade is...?
fierce thicket
I think they mean poseidon
fierce thicket
though I don't see zeus's cast being good for the aspect, it can bounce to targets you don't care about
fierce thicket
love that but it's risky cause of range, try to find some more defence than usual
pseudo kiln
Also she can upgrade it further
fierce thicket
maybe athena's dash
pseudo kiln
Kk will do
untold quiver
The thing about Artemis is her other things also boost cast play style, exit wounds, mirage shot, fully loaded, her call is amazing
I've dropped the champs in under a minute and final boss in less that 2 with just her boons....
fierce thicket
you can also use a quick weapon like fists or rail along with the god gauge on crit boon to make a unique call build
untold quiver
The leap in special is also something I like in Posidon Blade to knock your casts off safer
tiny holly
what are the boon ranks in order
untold quiver
@pseudo kiln yes it's a hammer upgrade
I think I'm going to look at going like....full Posidon with the Blade ....seems thematic
pseudo kiln
I think it's counterintuitive though
Cause poseidon cast pushes away the enemies
So you still gotta reach in to do that special
And get the crystals back
I'm liking aphro because everything's close range
untold quiver
Yeah but I've been doing Artimis so I'm already used to that
pseudo kiln
Oh kk
untold quiver
Artimis just turns into a machine gun late run
pseudo kiln
Yeah lol with her additional shots
And maybe hermes on cast
That lets you fire em quockly
untold quiver
Yeah if everything lines up you get chaos extra cast and cast damage, fully loaded true shot exit wounds Artemis aid speed cast and increasing call gauge
And you kill Hades in like less than 2 minutes
fiery ravine
Red49!app
spark socket
should i trade keys if i have all the weapons and unlocked everything in the mirror of fate 🤔 ?
or is there another use for them
reef galleon
Have you unlocked even the green mirror talents?
If yes, then there's no use for keys and you can trade them all
reef galleon
yes
pearl plank
Yeah, postgame content there's ||a cosmetic item you can get that changes the look of some of the menus||
Is that a spoiler? I feel like that doesn't really count
Anyway, there's ||a bunch of different menu themes that all cost different resources, and one of them costs 200 keys||
spark socket
I see, thanks 🙏 i wouldnt call it a spoiler personally
fallen geyser
any good suggestions for a nemesis sword build?
stone river
Looked on the subreddit. Does the 98% dodge fist build still work or did they nerf it?
I might try to do that tbh lol
gloomy scroll
Iirc greater evasion now gives 20 not 40 dodge
hearty elbow
It never worked in the first place, dodge is multiplicative
half crater
any good suggestions for a nemesis sword build?
@fallen geyser get artemis attack, get hunter dash, get double edge, dash attack your way to victory
hearty elbow
Artemis attack is sooooo ovrekill on Nemesis
half crater
nothin' wrong with overkill 😛
hearty elbow
Aphro or Athena attack, Divine or Hunter Dash
No, overkill in the bad way, you don't need that much crit
cunning urchin
Well, you should take everything you hear about Dodge with a grain of salt. We assume that it's multiplicative in the community based on experience, but no one ever bothered to prove it either way.
hearty elbow
It's way more important to offset Nemesis' dog poop base damage
cunning urchin
Divine Strike, Deadly Strike, and Heartbreak Strike are all meta for Nemesis.
If you don't have Divine Strike, typically you'll want Divine Dash. But if you have Divine Strike, both Divine Dash and Hunter Dash are excellent.
Just, melee always wants some way to Deflect on Attack or Dash or both.
hearty elbow
Well, you should take everything you hear about Dodge with a grain of salt. We assume that it's multiplicative in the community based on experience, but no one ever bothered to prove it either way.
@cunning urchin That's fair, and unfortunately with the dodge nerf it's much harder to prove. Though I haven't seen anything with someone memeing about reaching actual dodge cap and being literally unhittable, so it's a fair assumption
half crater
how would you even prove it
fallen geyser
i was only able to get divine strike, my other boons are demeter and zeus with an ares secondary boon
i'll look to put it together in another run
hearty elbow
By reaching dodge cap and standing in place, allowing a million things to hit you
cunning urchin
You just need two sources of Dodge, invincibility (mods), and parse the data.
hearty elbow
It's muuuuuccch harder to prove that you have "actually" 36% dodge instead of say 40% from two sources of 20%
fallen geyser
I did get the hammer upgrade that makes the attack base 90 and a big chop (for the prophecy) so looks like this run is more of a hodgepodge of things
cunning urchin
Or you find the line in the code.
half crater
You just need two sources of Dodge, invincibility (mods), and parse the data.
oh yeah didn't think about mods
that'd make it easier for sure
stone river
Anyone have a build for gun?
hearty elbow
Which aspect?
lilac geode
heat 0? if so base gun with zeus on attack
stone river
Yea I haven’t beaten the game yet
spark mulch
whats the thinking there
lilac geode
zeus is fixed damage per hit, it doesn't scale with anything but boon level and rarity
hearty elbow
Zeus is best suited to fast weapons with bad base damage
lilac geode
gun = lots and lots of ticks
spark mulch
ah, as in it override the weapon damage?
stone river
I just can’t beat him with fist weapons so I’m giving up lol
lilac geode
it's another hit
hearty elbow
Not TOO fast though, e.g. most multihit specials hit far too quickly back to back to make Thunder Flourish work.
spark mulch
oh, so its (X + Zeus) frequency
lilac geode
yeah basically
spark mulch
gotcha
stone river
So what other god would I want with Zeus for the rail gun?
lilac geode
Basically if your base damage is low but your attack speed is high, zeus is amazing
hearty elbow
You can attempt to supplement with Artemis on special for Support Fire
hearty elbow
Yeah.
spark mulch
support fire's aesthetics are worth it alone
hearty elbow
But Zeus is unique in that he wants A LOT of himself
Zeus has so many multiplying boons
stone river
I don’t want to link it cause spoilers but there was a gun build where the guy doesn’t reload. Is that a boon or aspect?
Very recent
spark mulch
whats the communities opinion so far on Gilgafists?
oh has anyone made a tier list since 1.0?
hearty elbow
They exist? Too soon to tell I think, until people really start trying to push its high heat meta.
I don't even have them yet and I've been playing a lot every day on a new Switch save since release sooo... I imagine it's not widely used yet, logistically speaking.
stone river
I heard someone calling the fists “hard mode” is it just cause they’re underpowered or not good unless pumped up with titans blood or the user? Lol
hearty elbow
Again, it's hard to tell. If you were to ask, say, Nyaanyaa, she would suggest that pre-nerf Chaos was hard mode, but the vast majority would say it was the easiest of modes. If you were to ask most people about pre-buff Rama, they'd suggest it was hard mode, but I found it to easily be the best Bow aspect for high heat.
The game is pretty subjective and not that many people have sunk that much time into Gilgamesh yet to be able to say with any degree of authority or certainty
stone river
Gotcha. Idk I’ve been trying to beat hades with the fist weapon and tried some advice from here And without any aspects it’s pretty hellish
cunning urchin
Well, I never said it was hard mode lol.
I just said I didn't like it and that it was overrated. I also said it was at least top 2.
hard holly
Fists are functional, but hard to use
stone river
I stupidly spent what little titans blood I had on the gun cause I didn’t know wtf the aspects were and used it on the bullets lmao
cunning urchin
I wasn't very good with it, but I also never put any serious effort into it. Just didn't vibe with me. I thought it was boring.
hearty elbow
I stupidly spent what little titans blood I had on the gun cause I didn’t know wtf the aspects were and used it on the bullets lmao
@stone river Oof, that hurts 😦 I would actually recommend Rail for people's first clear, but it definitely doesn't need blood haha
hard holly
Strong attacks, but thats all youll be doing
broken karma
I didn't find the fists hard at all, you just have to be aware of your surroundings a lot more since you have less ranged options. Get the right boons and it melts enemies
hard holly
Maim is a trap
stone river
I tried uhh the pink heart lady and still got wrecked.
hard holly
Ill test if Maim is good if its multiplicative though
hearty elbow
It's not though, right?
hard holly
ITs not
But I can change that
Or rather, I have for myself
So lets see if that makes Maim good
cunning urchin
I recommend this build guide from a beautiful, smart, courageous top player and bestest female Hades player as a starting point. https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2233472883
hard holly
If mult-Maim is good
cunning urchin
I'm a big fan of hers, personally.
stone river
So is there a way to like compensate for my early screw up spending like 4-5 bloods on the gun by accident?
hard holly
Ill probably write feedback to make it good, then
stone river
Like can I farm blood after I beat the game?
hearty elbow
Yes, actually, but it's too late for you :3. You can get refunds on Blood by not leaving the room and Giving Up
broken karma
Yes you will get a lot more blood
untold quiver
@stone river yes you can get st plenty of blood
cunning urchin
Yeah, you'll get plenty of Blood after your first clear.
hearty elbow
So you can unlock and try out aspects and then get a "refund" if you don't like it
cunning urchin
First clear really opens up the game.
stone river
Yea I’m on like attempt 33-35 and have only been able to reach hades with the fist weapon surprisingly but then get wrecked
broken karma
@stone river do you have any god keepsakes yet?
hearty elbow
That's more or less my experience too. Styx is a pain with fists, both the zone and Hades.
Nothing that can't be overcome but there are a lot of unique questions the zone asks
stone river
@broken karma only (I’m bad with god names) the naked lady maxed out
Zeus one star
Lucky tooth maxes out
And acorn 2 I think
hard holly
I think Styx is pretty easy for fists
Rapid attacks and Zeus boon makes it good at clearing
Hades is not
broken karma
Try to get athena's keepsake, the armored woman, use that to help you get her dash
stone river
Those rooms that’s the size of a nyc closet with those mobs with a certain aoe are not fun for me lol
lunar salmon
Fists are very technical regardless of build imo
hard holly
I wouldnt call them technical tbh, just risky
broken karma
Athena's dash is incredibly good at keeping you alive
hard holly
Like actual gameplay wise theyre kinda shallow
lunar salmon
Like in other weapons you can have a good build carry you to the end
But you have to be sharp even with fists
untold quiver
Heartbreak strike goes a long way to help when learning the Fists
stone river
@broken karma yea I usually get up to Styx fine with the deflect dodge and attack but after that it’s mega rough
lunar salmon
(unless you run Demeter and get dash-upper AOE)
stone river
I lose two death defies in those stupid rooms
Extremely confined space with aoe everywhere
hearty elbow
I find them to be pretty technical, mostly because you're so close and the frequency of possible error is a lot larger.
Especially once you throw in FO2 and BP2, you have to be on the ball, like, at all times
lunar salmon
But generally fists go very well with status effects and Arty's Support Fire
hard holly
Id call that risky moreso than technical
But I suppose its semantics
On a sidenote, I gotta say Im kinda disappointed with Beowulf
lunar salmon
Especially once you throw in FO2 and BP2, you have to be on the ball, like, at all times
FO1 is already enough to make it intense
hard holly
And Lucifer a little bit
They both dont feel very different from the base weapon
Theyre good
hearty elbow
I find FO1 to be a trap, at least for me lol. Dad requires a pretty precise timing that's different with each FO level, and I always screw up if I keep switching them back and forth
lunar salmon
Lucifer on the other hand...
hard holly
I mean its good
hearty elbow
So I typically just leave it on for "free" 6 heat
hard holly
It just feels like Im playing basic shield with slightly altered casts
hard holly
Lucifer is very good
But it just feels like stronger base zag
And hell its whole hellfire gimmick
hearty elbow
Pre-nerf Beo's best quality was Charged Flight + Dread Flight. But the cast side of the weapon has always been okay, if not clunky.
hard holly
Just feels so slow and clunky that I didnt use it
lunar salmon
I'd just use base Zag since it's faster lol
Lucifer demands a completely different playstyle which I'm still trying to figure out
game isn't "letting" me pick it
hearty elbow
Yeah, Lucifer's lack of iframes on its preferred attack loop and no free projectile management makes it a pretty little-upside glass cannon
lunar salmon
and Athena's attack boon is near useless on Lucy
hearty elbow
It's still good, because Rail is good, but it's a lot riskier and harder to play without getting hit
lunar salmon
since the range of it's deflection is only at the point of firing, rather than the entire range of its lazer
hard holly
I cant say Ive had that experience
But I also got the fast fire early on
So that might be it
lunar salmon
base gun just get shotgun upgrade and destroy everything
rich kelp
was Talos improved apon in v1.0?
crude vessel
does swift strike and flurry shot work together?
bright flint
Talos was untouched
rich kelp
it's different, its better for low heat and + % dmg, much worse for easy mode high heat and dot dmg. As it spreadfires where you aim and doesnt auto to closest targets anymore.
Thats too bad, talos was fun feeling but weak imo
bright flint
haven't tried the new aspect but yeah talos was more fun than the others
others fist aspects i mean
hearty elbow
Demeter aspect + Kinetic Launcher is the DBZ power fantasy build.
bright flint
@crude vessel yeah
hard holly
I wouldve said its the Street Fighter power fantasy build
lunar salmon
What's Kinetic Launcher again?
hearty elbow
Maybe Kinetic Launcher by itself lol but I don't think anyone in SF can fire 5 fireballs at the same time (I think? I don't play)
lunar salmon
fist fires beam?
valid locust
@hearty elbow Shinkuu Hadouken my guy
cunning urchin
Street Fighter build is Flying Cutter.
cunning urchin
"SHOOOORYUKEN!!!"
valid locust
although technically Kinetic Launcher is closer to Ryo's fireball in Art of Fighting, the one handed regular one
lunar salmon
Talos should be renamed to Spencer
hard holly
Shinku Hadouken is, yeah
valid locust
Talos does the Magneto's MvC3 magnetic pull
hard holly
Its a fireball that hits multiple times
valid locust
But not as satisfying.
hard holly
I think later instalments turned it into a beam though
lunar salmon
I call it Spencer because GITOVERHERE
valid locust
in the Versus series its a beam when you use Ryu's super
Talos fist should cool but eh
doesn't really work on bosses, kinda underwhelming against mobs and other stuff.
maybe if it ziplined you or had you travel in different ways
lunar salmon
bit difficult to take advantage of the magnetic damage bonus, yes
hearty elbow
Can you recommend a good beginners guide?
@novel maple I'd recommend watching youtube videos or streams, there are several content creators who take the time to explain everything. The game is pretty dynamic, so guides are pretty hit-or-miss
valid locust
it isn't difficult, but I dont' even know how the magnetic bonus work
hearty elbow
But it's useful to see people making decisions live and explaining why
valid locust
or that it had it (for a while)
lunar salmon
it's just a status effect that causes the target to take extra damage
crude vessel
is there a good reason why we cant post screenshots in a builds channel...?
hearty elbow
It makes it slightly harder to spam
torpid orbit
Guys, i have a question, does increased enemy spawn from the Pact increases amount of obols gathered from the room?
hearty elbow
Lol, without the 15% attack speed, it's probably still better than Zag aspect
hard holly
Thats just fists in general tbh
valid locust
doesn't really bring anything that much different to the table than the other two fist (don't know about the 4th fist aspect because Asterius RN is being a jerk).
well they nerfed demeter so she doesn't gain charges from using regular special
hard holly
I mean, Zag fists seem pretty eh
torpid orbit
4th one is stronger then others, but, oh my god, why is it so hard to navigate with laptop
hard holly
Especially since dodge is multiplicative
valid locust
Zag fists are life
torpid orbit
i mean, with keyboard*
valid locust
old Chaos Shield was life too
😦
Demeter gives me little kid giggles at high damage numbers
hearty elbow
A whole lot less people gonna be getting that 32 Statue lol...
hard holly
Like the fourth one has pretty good attacks
valid locust
😂
hard holly
And can do some nice raw DPS
valid locust
most of the weapons nerfs feel unnecessary
bright flint
i got mine with arthur so nerf or no nerf doesn't matter much xD
valid locust
like Beowulf charged flight needed adjusting, but outside of that
man, I wanna like Arthur
but I don't
something just doens't jive with me
torpid orbit
god
i got mine with guan yu heals like 100 runs ago
that was one hell of a final boss fight tho
valid locust
I'd wish they'd revert chaos shield back. read they nerfed Achilles aspect too
hearty elbow
My experience with it was night and day when I stopped prioritizing damage hammers over Greater Consecration. It allows maximum memes.
Also it's probably just better
bright flint
that slow heavy swing from arthur makes me time things better somehow
also there's that slow aura
which is cool af
hearty elbow
I think Chaos definitely needed a tweak to not be simultaneously the best defensive weapon while also having the longest range AoE. In general a weapon should not have multiple direction off screen AoE
But it was probably overnerfed, yeah.
valid locust
🤷♂️
Who cares if it did that? I know I could pop in the shield and have some fun.
And watch the game go silly with stuff kn the screen.
rich kelp
Quake Cutter was buffed hard, 90 dmg fr 50, might help talos some.
valid locust
Fun times were nerfed because of a very odd nerdy argument
Nerfing what I liked about Chaos Shield sidnt suddenly make me like Beowulf more.
hearty elbow
Even before I engaged in this community I thought Chaos was kind of a bummer. I tried it out and got 20->32->40 before I even did 20 with any other aspect, and I just plain sucked at every other weapon.
valid locust
And then?
hearty elbow
I know the argument of "but it's a single player game let me have my fun" is a popular one, but there's something to be said for options that are just much better than other options kind of ruining the fun of using them.
valid locust
Whays wrong with that?
Other weapons being ass doesnt mean you nerf good ones
I like demeter because its fun. I dont touch Talos becauee its a wet noodle
cunning urchin
Talos is really good.
turbid halo
Pretend it's a ranged weapon that can shoot through walls
cunning urchin
Haven't found its niche? It's the only aspect that can pull enemies anywhere you like while applying a debuff at the same time.
pearl plank
I think certain weapons being too good can make it less fun to play as the worse ones because then you're constantly thinking about how you could be using the better option
turbid halo
Backwards wallslamming an enemy isn't very fast but it's very safe
valid locust
I have fun dashing to things and moving around
rich kelp
is unlocking gilga random ive gone to you know who with you know what set on +3 like 10x ......
valid locust
I already have a weapon that encourages me to gst close
hard holly
You might need to face him with the twin fists to trigger a dialogue
valid locust
So to offset things I have an ability that gets me closer while getting closer?
hard holly
Someone here suggested it to me and I did get it short after
rich kelp
w/ fists ofc yeah. Still nada
cunning urchin
You don't need to wear Malphon when talking to him.
hearty elbow
@pearl plank Right, exactly. I happened to use the Bow because I loved the playstyle, but lol, even with Twin Shot, Power Shot, AND Crit, the base damage was 240, otherwise it was 80. Compared to Hestia's 150, or Charged Flight Beo's 270. It felt like I was grossly handicapping myself for no reason even though I did love the weapon's playstyle.
hard holly
No but it seems you need to unlock another piece of dialogue where he comments on your fists beforehand
cunning urchin
Once you meet the requirements, it's just dialogue RNG.
hard holly
Afterwards you can use any weapon
Ehh
Bow is faster than Hestia or Beowulf
A lot faster
Its DPS is probably higher, especially if youre using Zagreus for the sweet sweet free crit
If you have twin shot or triple shot
Its not as easy mode as Hestia, but nothing is, really
hearty elbow
That's only true now
valid locust
honestly
turbid halo
Bow has never clicked with me, since standing still to attack has this tendency to get me killed
valid locust
maybe Talos should've let you do the Beowulf charge
hard holly
You dont stand still for very long
valid locust
load up special, then bionic arm things
valid locust
I'm sure its great but it didn't leave me that awesome feeling from the jump, per say.
cunning urchin
Why do you want to take a unique ability away from Talos to give it something that already exists? 
hard holly
On two weapons, too
valid locust
Swap playstyles
hard holly
Talos is honestly fine, it synergises with the kind of boons fists want anyway
cunning urchin
Beowulf special is great.
hard holly
It does something unique on regular mobs, and is just a good option on bosses
valid locust
Talos making you zip fist first would be cool.
valid locust
Beowulf ability feels slow and clunky at times
probably great in the world of supre practiced high heat
dusk moss
In general, all of the hidden aspects are harder to learn with because they are slow
valid locust
but think I'd rather shoot all the boons at people with Hestia
dusk moss
They can still be very powerful
hearty elbow
Charged Flight somewhat counterintuitively gave you a faster base special with Beo
valid locust
and just mail people casts
hard holly
Thats already Achilles gimmick
The zipping around
If I were to change the aspect to anything (Which I wouldnt)
Itd probably be a counterattack of some kind
valid locust
But fist didnt doesnt get super drastic playstyle changes like the other weapons do
Which is why something had to give.
pearl plank
I was a little disappointed that all of the hidden aspects had a heavy attack (except luci)
cunning urchin
Lucifer is just Zag Aspect or Eris with shiny colors, in many ways.
hard holly
Thats ... actually a fair point
They do all make the weapons slower and harder-hitting
valid locust
Shiny colors matter
pearl plank
They managed to make most of them interesting, but I think Beo and Guan Yu feel kinda bland moveset-wise
hard holly
Even the ones that already were
See I would disagree there
I think Guan Yu is one of the best ones in terms of interesting playstyle
pearl plank
just in terms of the attack itself!
hard holly
Id say Beowulf and Lucifer are bland
valid locust
Rail is my least favorite though
pearl plank
not the overall moveset
hard holly
Kinda
valid locust
Zeus Aspect is super cool
pearl plank
Beo I thought was bland until I started leaning into the implications of the rapid dash
pearl plank
Sorry, gil
cunning urchin
Beowulf is great.