h1-builds-and-combat

[cunning urchin]

Yay.

[hardy dragon]

but those dashes

[hearty elbow]

lmao I just did like a couple of days ago

I feel bad posting the same thing more than once a week :3

[untold quiver]

Wait how do you tell what room your in?

[hearty elbow]

The boon overview screen (Select)

[magic cedar]

B on keybord

[untold quiver]

Oh geeze yeah I hardly ever look at thst

[cunning urchin]

@hearty elbow you should upvote my latest feedback, I think you would agree with it.

[hardy dragon]

alrighty ty lads gotta take a break fingers crossed heat 7 works out

[hearty elbow]

lmao, done

[untold quiver]

I saw they finally did something about tight deadline

[cunning urchin]

The way to tell what room you're in is to summon Skelly or Dusa and ask them.

They're the only ones who hang around. The others just leave immediately, that's why you can't ask them.

[lusty juniper]

Hey guys, one question - what do i use titan blood for currently i have 3 of them but i still can't use it for anything

[hearty elbow]

Unlock all the weapons

[cunning urchin]

||To upgrade weapons|| once you've unlocked all of them.

[lusty juniper]

hmm i'm guessing i still have to beat the run a few times before i get the option to unlock new weapons

[hearty elbow]

Nope, I'm pretty sure you just need keys

[lusty juniper]

Really? wow, so far i didn't find anything like that where i'd have an option to unlock new weapons

[hearty elbow]

In the courtyard, before you click on the door, there should be weapons splayed out with Key costs

[teal wren]

side hustle with that sword hammer upgrade that grants +damage per gold tho, sounds neat

[hearty elbow]

Yeah, SIde Hustle in Tartarus with Golden Touch and Hoarding Slash is fun.

[cunning urchin]

It's good for farming if you want to buy the bounties at the final shop.

[untold quiver]

Yeah, the viability window narrows as you increase heat

[charred ruin]

if i have 0% healing effect pact, does it also affect hermes "recover X if you dash right after taking damage"?

[gusty elm]

what happens if you use fated authority on a trial of the gods? does it just replace the gods?

[rare kayak]

yep

[cunning urchin]

@charred ruin yes.

[gusty elm]

nice

[rare kayak]

oh

it doesnt give you a new trial

it gives you a new roll

[charred ruin]

what happens if you use fated authority on a trial of the gods? does it just replace the gods?
@gusty elm you lose the double gods

[rare kayak]

well unless youre lucky enough to roll into another trial, although im not sure if thats possible

[hearty elbow]

It should be possible to roll a new trial though, on the off chance

[cunning urchin]

You can roll into a new trial, yeah.

[gusty elm]

oh huh, ok

does that mean you could have a huge lot of trials in a single run, if you get lucky?

[rare kayak]

nope

15 room cooldown between trials

[charred ruin]

also if i take the mirror condition where i have 1 extra life in every room, can I put skelly's keepsake to get 2 overall?

[gusty elm]

ah, good to know

[rare kayak]

two max if youre lucky and get one early in tart

[glass ether]

Beams in redacted fight now killed me through the column....

So upsetting

[rare kayak]

or maybe it was 20? it was some large number

[gusty elm]

yeah, damn

[rare kayak]

yeah skelly takes precedence over stubborn defiance or whatever it was called

so does chaos leg

[charred ruin]

ok thanks, makes it super useful then

[rare kayak]

not really

the amount of health skelly gives is maybe worth like four hits at most

[cunning urchin]

100 HP is more than four hits.

[rare kayak]

sorry didnt complete the sentence

in ely boss fights and beyond

i mean i guess im thinking purely in terms of bosses

[cunning urchin]

100 HP is about 5 hits from Theseus and Asterius, too.

[gusty elm]

also i feel like it'd be much more useful for stubborn def to take precedence rather than the other way around, so you don't accidentally waste your 1 defiance in some stupid way

[cunning urchin]

Stubborn Defiance is always used first, actually.

[rare kayak]

is it

[cunning urchin]

Yes.

[gusty elm]

oh, nice

[rare kayak]

crap maybe im rmbing wrong ten

my bad

[hearty elbow]

Actually, re: my thing a while ago about room 19, I for some reason thought that Asphodel ended on 22. It ends on 24, so the miniboss room can happen on 22, so at long as you take Hermes (or whatever) on room 21 or earlier to should be fine?

[cunning urchin]

I don't know if miniboss chambers are guaranteed to show up.

[hearty elbow]

Are they guaranteed after mid shops?

Feels like it

[cunning urchin]

I've gone through regions without fighting one plenty of times, but maybe I just skipped them without paying attention.

At most you'd be guaranteed only one, I would think.

[hearty elbow]

I've definitely gone through zones without a mini boss though.... I don't think you can have more than 1

Shrug

[cunning urchin]

You need 5+ minibosses for Middle-Management Cutter.

Also, even if you are indeed guaranteed to see one, the other chamber could be an NPC, and you don't really want to skip those.

So that's something to take into account.

[fallen geyser]

what are some good builds for the hestia rail?

[hard holly]

Aphrodite/Artemis attack, Artemis Dash, and go for chaos boons that either buff attack or dash-strike

The rest isnt really important

[trail sedge]

So I've been finding that with the Stygian blade, you have a sort of Dash-Special attack, where you start the Special and while waiting for it to land, you can dash some place else and then the special will finish landing. So it basically helps cut down the time it takes for the special to land because you're filling in that time with a dash, making it a useful move for dashing into a bunch of enemies and immediately dealing a bunch of damage (rather than dashing in, then starting a special and having frames in which you are very vulnerable).
Do any other weapons have little tricks like that? I haven't been able to find any and don't know if there's a doc about them anywhere 😅

[fallen geyser]

i figured it would be heavy on artemis

[hard holly]

Explosive Fire or the piercing attack are good

Otherwise you can go for special hammers

And try to make that powerful as well

[fallen geyser]

i was just about to ask what are some good hammer upgrades

for hestia

[hard holly]

Like, rocket + clusterbomb makes the special also ridiculously broken

[rare kayak]

yeah you can fire specials and dash while reloading rail @trail sedge

[untold quiver]

@trail sedge you can also charge and the dash with the spears spin attack and you will spin at the end of the dodge, also you can load the casts into the 4th shield aspect while rushing, I don't know how much of an advantage it is though

[rare kayak]

you can do a lot of moves and slide around while doing so

tbh

[cunning urchin]

also you can load the casts into the 4th shield aspect while rushing, I don't know how much of an advantage it is though
I frequently rush into/through bloodstones to pick them up and load them instantly so they go boom at the end.

[untold quiver]

Oh see there ya go

[rare kayak]

oh thats a trick i hadnt considered

too bad im still not gonna play beo probably

oh thats right you can recall the zeus special and have it follow you around which helps tremendously with flamewheels

not sure how "hidden" it is but

[fallen geyser]

any really good specials for hestia rail?

[trail sedge]

@untold quiver @cunning urchin Woah I didn't realize you could do that with the spear's spin attack! Definitely gonna try that. That and shield cast loading?? that sounds amazing, ty

[rare kayak]

the spear dash spin really changes the game, especially with hades aspect

[cunning urchin]

Had to learn a few tricks for 50+ with it.

[rare kayak]

you havent reached 60+ with it? smh

😔

oh right jd

similar to the special

[cunning urchin]

Sadly school started again before I could beat 56 with it. And now I don't have time to play.

[rare kayak]

you can do the same with excalibur basics during the windup

helps land the big 200

[wet spindle]

When using GY spear its best to take centaur heart right?

Cause u get more hp

Eventhough its just a little amount

[cunning urchin]

You can do that with Stygius in general with the 3-hit combo—not just Excalibur.

[rare kayak]

honestly didnt know that mostly because of how fast stygius is already

its easiest to apply with excalibur though

oh right theres a little trick i learnt in asphodel

if youre missing an enemy and you dont know where they are because the map is huge, fire a cast out

it'll home in towards them

if theyre in the vague area

[untold quiver]

I like, rarely use an attack other than dash with Stygius, but ten again I go Posidon cast heavy

[cunning urchin]

@wet spindle yeah, Centaur Hearts are kinda important in general. A lot of players pick too many boons they don't need and end up with too little HP.

[rare kayak]

yep

usually i try to hit 150 by hydra and 200ish by theseus

[cunning urchin]

I don't care about my HP for Lernie, to be honest.

But I want around 250 for Hades if I play with Stubborn Defiance (which I always do).

[rare kayak]

im still too bad with lava so the buffer helps

[untold quiver]

I like to pick em earlier so I have the health just in case I make a mistake and eat some big damage

[rare kayak]

admittedly i still underrate poms a lot so idk

[cunning urchin]

But I always play with 0 healing.

[rare kayak]

man ive had three triple duo offerings

what is going on

theyre not even that great either lol

stubborn roots, mirage shot on a non cast run

exclusive access in styx...

[cunning urchin]

Hmmm. Well, in Asphodel as I'm nearing Lernie, I start to look at getting enough HP to have around 250 at Hades if I didn't pick up anything before. But I don't care too much about how much HP I have for Lernie.

[hard holly]

Always reroll Centaur Hearts

Its more fun that way

[rare kayak]

absolutely not

the secret is you go high confidence guan yu and never pick centaur hearts

[hard holly]

Ok now that

That is where even I would go "ok that may be a bit too much"

[cunning urchin]

Unless I have HL5 on, then I'll care more for how much HP I have at Lernie.

[rare kayak]

hl is uhhh

was it health or damage

[cunning urchin]

HL5 is +100% damage from enemies.

[rare kayak]

ok yeah

well im still running 15 ish heat for now so

[cunning urchin]

the secret is you go high confidence guan yu and never pick centaur hearts
That's reasonable at low heat.

[quaint gale]

you guys saying you do 0 healing freak me out

[rare kayak]

i dont

my limit on that one is 50%

[cunning urchin]

girl*

[rare kayak]

nyaa is just really good at the game

[quaint gale]

sorry I'm bad at generalizations

[rare kayak]

go with pirates next time

[quaint gale]

will do

[rare kayak]

its a gender neutral term

[quaint gale]

anyways, freaked out at 0 healing

[cunning urchin]

Just call me Queen of Hades. 👸🏽

[rare kayak]

well

[bright flint]

yer pirates freak me out arghhhh?

[cunning urchin]

@bright flint more Rs.

[bright flint]

is the arghh at the end obligatory?

[rare kayak]

no its r in pirates that needs more

[cunning urchin]

"Yerrr pirrrates frrreak me out arrr!"

[rare kayak]

anyway silly asides... aside, just dont get hit and healing dont matter

[cunning urchin]

Stubborn Defiance circumvents the lack of healing.

[quaint gale]

I can certainly do that in, like, a bow build but melee, ain't happening

[rare kayak]

dash better and dont attack as much

[cunning urchin]

I end up not spending cash on healing anyway with Stubborn Defiance, so LC4 or no makes little difference.

[quaint gale]

hmm...I have never really used Stubborn...

[rare kayak]

really? not even on kisses?

[untold quiver]

I imagine on high heat it's the go to

[bright flint]

I only use stubborn for the prophecy and that's it

[rare kayak]

em4 stubborn sounds like hell though

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, Stubborn Defiance is the default at high heat.

[rare kayak]

if what ive heard about that fight’s length is true

[bright flint]

how high are we talking about?

[cunning urchin]

Also LC4.

40+.

[rare kayak]

yeah

[bright flint]

ok that makes sense

[quaint gale]

I would not EM4 on a high heat run, at all

[fervent canyon]

EM4 is pretty crazy even when you have all 3 DDs

[quaint gale]

that fight is so rough

[rare kayak]

stubborn basically eliminates healing so you get heat from lc and free up obol resources from buying healing items

[cunning urchin]

I haven't unlocked EM4 yet. I don't get to play much.

[rare kayak]

me neither i just got the credits today

[bright flint]

I only did 32 heat max for the prize and regular defiance works out for me

[quaint gale]

yeah, I never considered that for stubborn. I'll play around with it more on high heat

[bright flint]

I don't get to play much.

[rare kayak]

the thing is with stubborn is that you need to really minimise the hits you take since youre playing with a much smaller effective health bar

[bright flint]

Proceeds to flex on everyone with 40+ heats

[fervent canyon]

Stubborn has some interesting strats right? Since you sometimes want to die to get health back

I haven’t used it that much

[quaint gale]

it's usually death by a thousand cuts for me, I usually avoid big damage per room

but it adds up

[rare kayak]

ive done that before to abuse patroclus on some disaster runs lol

[cunning urchin]

40+ is not flexing. If I wanted to flex, I'd mention I'm top 3 in high heat with 52, which was WR at the time. 👸🏽

[fervent canyon]

But you have to die right at the end of the room

So it’s like this weird thing

[rare kayak]

just gamble

[fervent canyon]

Where you have to die but not too fast

[rare kayak]

why dont the high heat players just turn on invicibility with cheat engine smh

[acoustic venture]

I was wondering whether or not EM4 would be taken over things like TD3 or HS

[cunning urchin]

A lot of the time, you can just use a trap or magma in the room to revive.

[fervent canyon]

Don’t a lot of traps deactivate?

Once the room is done

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, but plenty of them don't.

And in like Tartarus, there's no real need to suicide anyway.

[quaint gale]

EM4's hard enough by itself, I wouldn't want to make it worse

[onyx parcel]

Is merciful end on fist still good?

[cunning urchin]

Elysium has plenty of those egg bombs, and Asphodel has magma everywhere.

[onyx parcel]

Compared to lightning strike?

[cunning urchin]

@onyx parcel yes. They're both good.

why dont the high heat players just turn on invicibility with cheat engine smh
That's a good strat. Let me jot that down real quick. 🗒️ 🖊️

[rare kayak]

or if youre feeling REALLY ballsy, go for the trove

[cunning urchin]

Obol troves are common picks at high heat, in any case.

[rare kayak]

also just noticed the game added reqs for boons into the game

really appreciate that actually

[fervent canyon]

Okay so question I’ve been wondering for a bit, how do I make guan yu work? I hear it’s good but my runs with it have been pretty trash

[rare kayak]

special is mongo strong

[fervent canyon]

Every time I try to heal, standing still I get hit

[rare kayak]

dont rely on the lifesteal from charge

thats about it

[fervent canyon]

Oh

So basically don’t rely on the thing that makes the aspect unique?

Haha

[rare kayak]

life steal is a mini bonus at best

[hardy dragon]

hiya lads

[rare kayak]

you’ll die trying to abuse it most likely

[fervent canyon]

Right

That’s usually how I die with it

[rare kayak]

slap an athena onto it and you get a huge deflector

the special on gy is really strong with big range and pretty good base damage

[fervent canyon]

Athena on attack you mean? Spin attack for a reflecting blade?

[bright flint]

or you can do special build

[rare kayak]

yea

[hardy dragon]

whos used rama bow?

[rare kayak]

me

[fervent canyon]

What boons work well on gy special? All of them?

[rare kayak]

honestly you can play it like a regular bow run now

errr

aphro is common

[bright flint]

aphro special + ares blade rage should make you one shot everything

[fervent canyon]

I assume aphro is good

[rare kayak]

since its got the best damage scaling

and also just a great status

[quaint gale]

generally for any high damage low fire rate weapon that's my choice

athena or aphro

[fervent canyon]

Alright ty for the advice

Will try not to get my butt kicked next gy run

And I assume I try to get as much health as possible

[hardy dragon]

never tried rama bow so i have no idea what boons go with it

[rare kayak]

zeus special is a classic

[hardy dragon]

the power shot seems impossible to get off

[rare kayak]

the trick with bow is to never rely on power shot either

better to bail and lose some damage

[fervent canyon]

Dash shots give faster power

Don’t go for the standing power shot

Basically ever

[quaint gale]

yeah, you have to dash shot

[rare kayak]

i mean i dont go for power shots in general ever

[hardy dragon]

not holding it down?

[rare kayak]

if i can do it i will bjt

[hardy dragon]

yea i wasnt doing that with hera either

[fervent canyon]

Dash, then hold down

[rare kayak]

i usually cut my losses

[fervent canyon]

It charges faster

[quaint gale]

glances at my 50+ power shot runs uh oh

that's literally all I do

[rare kayak]

admittedly im not great with positioning the bow

[untold quiver]

the ricochet normal hammer is great on Rama. .you want one of the big damage boons on the attack,

[rare kayak]

so im not often in safe situations to power shot

[fervent canyon]

So you want to get into rhythm of dash -> power shot -> dash -> power shot

Maybe not with Rama, it’s a little slower than other aspects

But generally that’s how you want to play bow

[quaint gale]

yeah I play keep away with the bow

if they're not at screen length I'm not comfortable

[fervent canyon]

Btw does anyone ever take explosive shot hammer

I never take it

[quaint gale]

so

I did once

[fervent canyon]

Just wondering if it’s any good

[quaint gale]

with triple shot

[hardy dragon]

so for rama bow zeus special?

[rare kayak]

its fun

[quaint gale]

got hermes attack speed increase, 2k shotgun blasts

[rare kayak]

zeus special and then treat it like a rail build is not a terrible build

[quaint gale]

felt so good

...but otherwise no I don't usually pick explosive.

[rare kayak]

you can also use it to stack something like dionysus

[fervent canyon]

Honestly I think the bow hammers overall aren’t that good

[rare kayak]

with aphro main

[fervent canyon]

At the very least they aren’t that interesting

[rare kayak]

its got a ricochet hammer so its top tier for me

[fervent canyon]

Compared to other weapon upgrades

[quaint gale]

yeah, I usually chase perfect shot and double shot

[rare kayak]

love ricochets

[quaint gale]

and not much else

[fervent canyon]

Ooh what is fun tho

If you have hangover or doom on special

And get more special shots

Mmmmm

[quaint gale]

oh yes

especially with 8 stack hangover

[fervent canyon]

Yeah

[quaint gale]

I'll switch to special with that

[fervent canyon]

The damage is insane

[rare kayak]

yeah +4 special hammer is very strong on rama depending on build

[fervent canyon]

It’s so good on Chiron

Just homing special for max damage

I had merciful end on it

So good

Doom special into reflect attack

[hardy dragon]

so i have curse of agony on talos fists

[fervent canyon]

Shredded absolutely everything

[hardy dragon]

what else is good with it

chamber 2

atm

next room is artemis but i have 4 fated authority

[fervent canyon]

Arty is fine

Could try for pressure points

[hardy dragon]

wat about cast, special dash, call? only used them once before and just picked up whatever lol

[fervent canyon]

You can try for Athena

There is a duo called merciful end

That allows you to immediately activate doom

So you can keep stacking and then activating it

Plus Athena dash is crazy good on fists

[hardy dragon]

ok

oh ok so i have epic art cast to choose or epic pressure points

and common true shot

[fervent canyon]

I go pressure points in that situation

[hardy dragon]

ok

epic call i mean

epic call or epic pressure points

[fervent canyon]

Pp

All the way

[hardy dragon]

4% is not bad

[fervent canyon]

Yes

And with how many attacks you do on fists

[hardy dragon]

considering the sheer volume of attacks

[fervent canyon]

Worth

[cunning urchin]

Artemis' Aid is pretty weak compared to other Calls.

[fervent canyon]

So when you get to the chamber swap to Athena keepsake if you can

Your setup rn is perfect if you can get merciful

[quaint gale]

can talos's special be boosted by arty dash?

[cunning urchin]

Unless you already have a lot of t2 crit boons and Heart Rend or something, you'd want to save your Call slot for something else.

[hearty elbow]

Eh it's better than ||Dad's call||

[acoustic venture]

I still need a new Fist aspect to pump blood into and use

[fervent canyon]

Lol

[acoustic venture]

now that Zagspect got nerged

[fervent canyon]

True

||Dads call|| feels like an afterthought

[visual holly]

I like both those Calls 😦

[quaint gale]

I don't hate them but for a nuke I'd prefer Aphro

[limber pine]

how do I know what tier a Boon is?

[hardy dragon]

oooh i have divine dash but also epic bronze skin

10% dmg reduction is very tempting

[fading fog]

what casts work best with shield 4th aspect?

[fervent canyon]

Divine dash

[cunning urchin]

@quaint gale hmmm it should be possible. I never tested it.

[fervent canyon]

Take the dashhhhh

[hardy dragon]

ik ik its the right call

[cunning urchin]

Divine Dash is 100% of the time the right choice.

[limber pine]

Artermis Cast is crazy with Shield 4th Aspect from what I've seen in a video

[hardy dragon]

but 10% dmg reduction

[cunning urchin]

No exceptions.

[fervent canyon]

Just don’t get hit

[hardy dragon]

but no dmg at all is better

[fervent canyon]

😁

[quaint gale]

@cunning urchin I'll take a looksie at it later. (arty dash is my 100% favorite dash whenever it's applicable)

[cunning urchin]

She could be offering you two Duo Boons and Divine Dash, and Divine Dash would be the right choice.

[limber pine]

@fading fog https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqchsIvC2x0 a run with 4th Shield + Artemis cast

[bitter brook]

just having quick reliable reflect is so good

[cunning urchin]

Although on Malphon, I'll take Divine Strike over Divine Dash.

[fervent canyon]

Being able to dash strike without worrying about dodging attacks

Is just too nice

[acoustic venture]

What Malphon spec do you usually run Nyaa

[cunning urchin]

All of them.

[hardy dragon]

im getting really pissed

[acoustic venture]

I feel like magnetic cutter is a weaker quake

[hardy dragon]

i cant get sisyphus companion

[dry ember]

how you liking the new one?

[acoustic venture]

just keep doing runs

thats the name of the game

[bitter brook]

just play the game

[cunning urchin]

Oh right, I haven't unlocked the hidden one. So, all of them except #4.

[hardy dragon]

it says deepen your relationship with sisyphus and ive talked with hades, meg, and sisyphus about his sentence but NO OPTION

[cunning urchin]

@acoustic venture you'll want to just cancel the pull immediately into dash like 99.9% of the time.

[bitter brook]

you just keep playing the game

[quaint gale]

I was gonna ask your thoughts on the 4th glove form...it's strange

[hearty elbow]

I still haven't gotten Achilles to give me GY yet. Idk what else I need to do, I have 7 non-zag aspects, maxed Hades aspect, killed hades probably 6 or 7 times

(past getting the reqs)

[cunning urchin]

If you do it right and fast enough, it will look like Zagreus is just dashing, but the enemy will be pulled towards the start of your dash.

[dry ember]

Pull
Dash cancel behind enemies
Nothing personnel kid

[cunning urchin]

^

[fervent canyon]

One time I got that ranged blast special hammer on the giga cutter, that’s pretty fun

[cunning urchin]

Like that, more or less.

[acoustic venture]

hmm, ill have to mess around with that

Demeter fists seem also super UNGA and im down for it

[quaint gale]

demeter is hot

[cunning urchin]

Although, I'll very often dash diagonally forward after pulling.

[fervent canyon]

^

[quaint gale]

...I mean cool

[fervent canyon]

There are some really fun giga cutter synergies

[onyx parcel]

If u press attack fast enough after a dash upper on talos, the animation cancels, meaning you won’t actually deal ur special damage

U would just deal pull damage

That’s the ONLY reason why I don’t use talos

[fervent canyon]

Feels really good to just destroy things with those dem fists

[onyx parcel]

It’s cuz u miss out on a lot of damage

[cunning urchin]

Source: The #1 Talos player, me. 👸🏽

[visual holly]

As the goddess of seasons, Demeter is temperature-fluid.

[fervent canyon]

But yeah from what I’ve played Demeter fist is my fav

Raw destructive power

Zag fist is fun with lambent plume

[onyx parcel]

It takes 7 blood to upgrade to 3 extra special hits

That’s 1 blood on every weapon and one redacted kill, right

[hardy dragon]

who should i take in asphodel riks

[dry ember]

Please ask that in #h1-story-discussion

[fervent canyon]

@hardy dragon you’re trying to build merciful end

I would say take ares or Athena

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, that's a question for #h1-story-discussion.

[dry ember]

Merciful End on what?

[hardy dragon]

ive got the boons needed for it

started with ares keepsake

now i have curse of pain and divine dash

[fervent canyon]

Okay take Athena

[dry ember]

Please note ME Fists is no longer reliable

[cunning urchin]

Divine Dash doesn't unlock Merciful End anymore.

[onyx parcel]

Please note ME Fists is no longer reliable
@dry ember what is ME

[fervent canyon]

Oh then go for Athena special

[onyx parcel]

WHAT

[cunning urchin]

You need Divine Strike or Divine Flourish.

[onyx parcel]

IT DOESNT?

[dry ember]

Merciful End

[onyx parcel]

Wtffffff

[fervent canyon]

@hardy dragon go Athena special

[dry ember]

Targeted ban is targeted

[hearty elbow]

LOL That explains the 5 runs I've done with Curse of Agony and Divine Dash just having to value my way to victory

[dry ember]

Best ME user now is... Zeus Shield

[hardy dragon]

ok then ill take athena keepsake

[cunning urchin]

Well, Curse of Agony on Malphon is still great without ME.

[hearty elbow]

I know lol

Just a bit suspect how I never got it in 5 runs. Not suspect anymore obv

[cunning urchin]

Not a big deal on low heat, either. It's easy to pick up Divine Flourish and Divine Dash along the way if you have Persuasion.

[onyx parcel]

Well, Curse of Agony on Malphon is still great without ME.
@cunning urchin is that ares attack or special

[cunning urchin]

Attack.

Agony => A => Attack

[onyx parcel]

What’s flourish again

[quaint gale]

they added the boon list in the game with all the duo requirements listed, good for checking up on any changes

[cunning urchin]

Pain => P => Pecial

[hearty elbow]

Curse of [A]gony, Curse of [P{s}]ain

[acoustic venture]

Pecial

[fervent canyon]

And yeah other than that you want to get ares boons, increase doom damage and increase doom stacks

@hardy dragon

[dry ember]

Yknow, it's kinda unintuitive Doom for Fists is good

But it really is

[hardy dragon]

i wonder if i should keep ares on then

or switch to athena

[cunning urchin]

Flourish is Special.

[charred ruin]

where can i see an explanation of how the game seeds the olympians for the rest of the run after i pick up the first few?

[cunning urchin]

Nowhere.

[fervent canyon]

Maybe keep ares on them

[onyx parcel]

Cold

[fervent canyon]

You already met Athena right?

[hardy dragon]

ye

i have athena dash already

[fervent canyon]

So maybe go for those doom effect boons

[charred ruin]

does the seeding affect shops as well?

[dry ember]

Nowhere indeed. There is an explanation of what seed and route is, but no formulation if that's what you are asking

[hardy dragon]

im getting alot of value from doom

[dry ember]

Yes

[fervent canyon]

Yeah, and if you see Athena go for special for ME

[cunning urchin]

@hardy dragon take the Coin Purse.

[thorn jolt]

Doom Fist is pretty nice when comboed with Mericful End + Athena Dash. Bonk bonk bonk DASH.

[cunning urchin]

You can't force a god a second time.

[hardy dragon]

really?

[barren otter]

I had a ME run today with Zag shield. Epic Doom lvl8 on attack, Divine Flourish on special, worked wonderfully (explosive return made it even better)

[fervent canyon]

@thorn jolt apparently ME doesn’t work with dash now

[cunning urchin]

Coin Purse lets you buy one boon, better chance to pick up a boon from the gods you want with more cash.

[fervent canyon]

So that’s out of the picture

[thorn jolt]

no way, I can't believe it

[hardy dragon]

i do need to level up the athena build

keepsake

i mean her keepsake its level 2 for me

[cunning urchin]

Well, if you can't believe it, you can check the boon requirements in the Codex.

[thorn jolt]

I mean it makes no sense why it would be like that now

[dry ember]

Level up Athena Build is like calling a tomato a fruit. Technically it works but a wise men won't put a tomato in a fruit dish.

[onyx parcel]

Merciful end sounds so good with ares attack and Athena dash

Sad that they took that out

[fervent canyon]

@cunning urchin would it be worth keeping ares keepsake for the rarity bump though?

Those epic doom boons sound nice

[dry ember]

@thorn jolt because ME with Dash is kinda OP?

[thorn jolt]

is it in the patch notes, or only in the codex?

[dry ember]

It's about the end all be all of builds lol

[onyx parcel]

ME with dash just sounds like insane damage output

[cunning urchin]

The reason is very simply that ME builds were pretty dominant and they want more variety.

[quaint gale]

it's a guaranteed proc while you're basically invincible

[hardy dragon]

TELL ME WHAT TO DO

im jk

[dry ember]

PLAY THE GAME

[onyx parcel]

🗿

[dry ember]

But yeah level Athena Keepsake is good

[cunning urchin]

@hardy dragon okay then, do a boonless run at 5 Heat.

[hardy dragon]

lol

[thorn jolt]

I though ME was just strong, not OP but fair enough

[fervent canyon]

It might be worth keeping ares keepsake on for the higher rarity you get

[hardy dragon]

real question tho i already have coin purse leveled but athena isnt leveled

[cunning urchin]

If you're forced to pick up a boon, sell them asap and don't use the ability until you've sold it.

[fervent canyon]

Since you have a doom build going on rn

[cunning urchin]

Oh.

Well.

[hardy dragon]

yea ill keep it on and then maybe switch to athena to level it up in elysium

[cunning urchin]

If you're still leveling keepsakes, you can just focus on doing that.

[dry ember]

Yeah. You can potentially recoup some DDs with Athena also, if you are lucky

[thorn jolt]

if you ahve no chance for ME, then just get the stacking doom and delayed doom boon for just huge boss killing numbers

[cunning urchin]

Maxing all keepsakes makes things a lot easier and more varied.

[thorn jolt]

combine that with curse of longing with aphrodite for some chonks

[hardy dragon]

its one of the few keepsakes I havent fully leveled at least the god ones

just got ares to level 3 a few mins ago lol

[quaint gale]

geez, I never used ME because I always disregarded Ares. goes to show what you don't learn when you aren't looking at the community response

[hardy dragon]

ive never even tried ME so i am quite interested in it now

[fervent canyon]

You need Athena special then

Go for her if you see her

[cunning urchin]

Don't worry about it, I used to think his boons were the weakest of all until somebody here explained his options to me lol.

[fervent canyon]

Y’all should I go for high confidence guan yu

I’m scared

[cunning urchin]

@fervent canyon yes.

[hard holly]

I mean, outside of that specific duo boon, his attack and special boons are the weakest

Blade Rifts are always sick though

[cunning urchin]

Make it a Butterfly run.

[quaint gale]

blade rifts are indeed sick

that's what I pick every time from him

[hardy dragon]

well i put athena on

[hard holly]

When you get Hunting Rifts, with Black Metal and the legendary

[hardy dragon]

now why does everyone say rifts are great?

[barren otter]

Y’all should I go for high confidence guan yu
If you're feeling highly confident, go for it

[hard holly]

And you just see the numbers go 4-digits

Lots of damage for relatively little investment

And see small numbers go big fun

[fervent canyon]

I’m not confident but I’m going for it anyway

Yolo

[hardy dragon]

i got long knuckle too before

so thats awesome

[untold quiver]

I really like blade rifts with Achilles spear.... Especially after the buff

[quaint gale]

rifts just do high damage if you get maximum uptime on them

more than comparable shots

[thorn jolt]

Hera Bow + Blade Rifts, does that still work well?

by which I mean it drops them on the enemy

[dry ember]

No. In fact not sure you can get that on Hera

[untold quiver]

I would think it would but then it's just gonna sail past them

[fervent canyon]

Oh god

I just hit chaos on chamber 3

[turbid needle]

I met all the condition for Excalibur but I'm not getting the Nyx dialogue

[cunning urchin]

I've never heard of Slicing Shot being blocked for Hera.

[fervent canyon]

Should I give up all my health

And try to heal up

[turbid needle]

Should I just go into the dungeon and get killed on purpose?

[untold quiver]

I Always go trippy flare so.....

[cunning urchin]

@turbid needle just dialogue RNG.

[hard holly]

Gimme a sec

[turbid needle]

@cunning urchin so I should just die on purpose

[quaint gale]

I sometimes kill myself instantly to get more dialogue at the house

[hard holly]

I can check if you can get bladerifts on hera

[quaint gale]

no shame in it

[cunning urchin]

You could also use those runs to get some more bounties with some other aspect.

Your decision.

But suiciding would speed it up, yes.

[hearty elbow]

Is Heaven's + Curse of Vengeance sufficient for Vengeful Mood?

[dry ember]

Nvm you are right @cunning urchin Slicing Shot isn't blacklisted on Hwra

[hard holly]

You can get it on Hera, yeah

You cant get it on Beowulf, however

[untold quiver]

You can get an Ares cast it's just different...they all are

Unless they changed that in 1.0

[quaint gale]

it's a modified boon for Beowulf, right?

[hard holly]

Oh wait, youre right

Thats what I get for talking before checking all of the code

[quaint gale]

yeah, I studied the codex for a long time yesterday

[hardy dragon]

alrighty i got athena's special!!

[quaint gale]

noticed two casts in the book

[hardy dragon]

btw does cast even matter for this?

[hard holly]

Interesting

Actually this part of the code makes me think the blacklisting hammer mod might be even easier to do

[quaint gale]

could be, yeah

[rain shuttle]

How do I get the final Shield aspect?

My save file corrupted and I forgot

[cunning urchin]

Check pins in #h1-story-discussion for hidden aspects.

[hardy dragon]

support fire or artemis call?

[rain shuttle]

Thank you

[onyx parcel]

Guys, can the satyr be in any of the 5 tunnels?

[cunning urchin]

@hardy dragon what's the third option?

[hardy dragon]

true shot

[cunning urchin]

Anything but Call.

[hardy dragon]

true shot is rare

[cunning urchin]

Which aspect?

[hardy dragon]

support frie common

talos

[cunning urchin]

Oh.

[onyx parcel]

Is there a way to intentionally reduce the tunnels u go thru before getting satyr

[cunning urchin]

Support Fire.

[hardy dragon]

yea i thought so

[cunning urchin]

Support Fire is S tier on Malphon.

[turbid needle]

Damn guys speak of the devil I just got Excalibur

[quaint gale]

intentionally? no

[turbid needle]

For dying on purpose twice

[quaint gale]

there is no tell

[onyx parcel]

intentionally? no
@quaint gale so I just pick whatever tunnel?

[acoustic venture]

Support fire feels like a legendary boon on malphon

[onyx parcel]

And pray for RNG?

[quaint gale]

yep

[onyx parcel]

Wow

[acoustic venture]

and like an anti-legendary on Beowulf or arthur

[quaint gale]

someone can correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think there's a tell

[magic dagger]

@onyx parcel go through miniboss rooms first, they are faster and easier, and also give you better rewards

[onyx parcel]

Dang really

I avoided them last time

I’m scared of fighting mini boss

[acoustic venture]

yeah bc you can just focus the miniboss and once theyre dead nothing spawns

[magic dagger]

never avoid styx minibosses, the standard encounters there are awful

[cunning urchin]

They're easier only once you've practiced the fights a lot because they're predictable.

[acoustic venture]

given that you have a good build you can burst them down

[quaint gale]

if you don't have high damage it can be a problem, but anything will be a problem

[onyx parcel]

Sheesh so I was doing that wrong

[hard holly]

I have noticed lately that the RNG in Styx tunnels doesnt seem truly random

[onyx parcel]

I went thru all three before mini boss

[hard holly]

Granted, that doesnt have to mean anything because its RNG

But I have not gotten a Satyr Sack later than the third room for at least 10 runs now

I think it might even be 20 runs at this point

[bitter brook]

It just picks a random non boss room I thought but I might be dumb

[onyx parcel]

But I have not gotten a Satyr Sack later than the third room for at least 10 runs now
@hard holly “the third” meaning the third one to the left position wise or the third one you went thru?

[hard holly]

I have also not gotten it in the first room in 10-20 runs either

[thorn jolt]

I've never gotten the sack in room 1

[hard holly]

Third one I went through

[quaint gale]

it's been every time of room for me

[cunning urchin]

The RNG works out to give you the same chance for seeing one in tunnel 2, 3, 4, or 5.

Yeah, tunnel 1 sack is impossible.

[quaint gale]

first boss room, first non boss room, none of the boss rooms

[onyx parcel]

The RNG works out to give you the same chance for seeing one in tunnel 2, 3, 4, or 5.
@cunning urchin is that position wise? Or order?

[cunning urchin]

Order.

[thorn jolt]

it's order

position is never important

[hard holly]

Yeah Im not sure thats true anymore, just because I have not gotten a tunnel 5 satyr sack in ages

Buuuut

[onyx parcel]

Ah ok

[hard holly]

I dont know how to check that part

[quaint gale]

I did yesterday. not fun

[cunning urchin]

That's just chance.

[onyx parcel]

So I need to go in at least two tunnels

[hard holly]

Could be

[cunning urchin]

It be like that sometimes.

[hard holly]

Not terribly likely, but not impossible

[thorn jolt]

honestly, sometimes I just go for the boss tunnels

[cunning urchin]

Then you'll get 5-sack 10 times in a row one day.

[thorn jolt]

they're shorter, and if you can burst the miniboss it's over faster

[quaint gale]

alright all this planning talk is making me turn on the game and play it

[dry ember]

I did like 20 something runs since 1.0

Not a single 5 sack

[thorn jolt]

as opposed to three waves of stayrs ...

[dry ember]

Makes me wonder if they truly changed that

[acoustic venture]

also, for anyone wondering, full OST just released, along with EM4 music

[dry ember]

Anyone got 5 sack on new patch?

[acoustic venture]

nope

ive almost always gotten 3

[dry ember]

[quaint gale]

yes

[dry ember]

Nvm then

[quaint gale]

hades giveth, hades taketh away

[dry ember]

It's also plausible that changed the odds

[quaint gale]

oh man my last run I blue screened in the satyr hub after a purchase and it deleted my run

that made me sad

[dry ember]

Oof

[hard holly]

Ok Im trying to check if I can figure out if its weighted RNG

[untold quiver]

Are we sure it's not possible? Or just very unlikely.... because after 1.0 I though I remember getting it on one, and Zag even having a suprised voice line

[magic dagger]

the surprised voiceline is for a 2sack

[fading fog]

what in your opinion is the single best weapon aspect in the game

[untold quiver]

Ahh there we go then

[magic dagger]

zag sword

no blood

best weapon in the game

[fading fog]

lol

[magic dagger]

because it's the only weapon that lets you clear on the first run

[hard holly]

There is also a voiceline for 5 sack

And its definitely still possible

[dry ember]

Is this tier list posting time?

[fading fog]

i haven't unlocked them all but ||Aspect Of Arthur|| just seems so OP

[hard holly]

I couldnt find anything that definitely tells me its weighted or not, but I did find something interesting

[fading fog]

the game is v balanced tho

[limber pine]

I always get the sack around 3

[magic dagger]

@fading fog that one seems OP right up until you turn on DC2 and FO2
then heat affects it just like any other weapon

[hard holly]

If I am reading this correctly (no guarantee), then you need to have had 6 rooms for the satyr sack to spawn, so if you got 2 rooms and a reward and then 2 rooms again, it cant spawn the sack

But again, not 100%

Yeah it feels weighted, but nothing in the code indicates that it is

[dry ember]

What counts as room?

Because if each chamber is a room

Then that's just the no 1sack thing that we were aware of.

[next moss]

Room doesnt exist iirc

[hard holly]

Oh yeah

[next moss]

Its chamber and encounter

[hard holly]

Youre right

Thats probably what it is

[viral egret]

question for here maybe, is the room after Charon's fight gonna be the same room as if you had just went or is it random? I've got an artemis boon next room but i also wanna try and fight Charon but don't want to lose the boon room

[gray moon]

no, its considered its own room

[quaint gale]

I assumed it was random, similar to getting Chaos

[gray moon]

just like Chaos

or Erebus

[viral egret]

perfect. wasn't sure. thanks!

[delicate nimbus]

It's the same room, but if it had a choice of which reward to take, it will take the "first" option, what constitutes the "first" option changes depending on what the original shop room was lol

[viral egret]

so for example, i'm in the shop right now. The only exit is going to Artemis. if i fight Charon, will it go there next or will it be random?

because based on what TheFuzzician is saying, it sounds like it wouldn't go to the Artemis room. i could be misreading tho

[delicate nimbus]

It's gonna be artemis I'm pretty sure

But let me know if I'm wrong

[quaint gale]

I would be curious to know also

[viral egret]

well, i suppose one way is to just find out

i'm on sword, so uhhhh, let's see how this Charon fight goes

i could fully just eat it and die lmao

i love the record scratch sound so much btw

[gray moon]

Charon can be rough, but he is actually not bad at all. His melee attack is a bit cheap, because it has almost no wind-up

and it does an absurd amount of damage

[delicate nimbus]

I've been able to cheese charon with aprodite's legendary

Charon doesn't attack fast enough to not get jerked out of his loop by being charmed

[quaint gale]

yeah, the important thing is to get behind Charon any time he spins around

keep on that and it's simple

[viral egret]

nooooo

screwed it up

i was doing good and then dodged into a cloud

it was a higher heat run than normal for me, so i'm not too upset or anything lol

yeah, i can fight charon easily when i'm on a more ranged weapon, but i was using sword. so i basically just used artemis cast spam. worked out well enough until i goofed

[bright anchor]

Im having trouble escaping besides with the rail regularly even tho spear is my favorite T_T

I recently got Guan Yu and was wondering for some build tips

I feel I mostly only do well with weak/hangover combo so id be open to trying other stuff

[acoustic venture]

For Talos is is worth to even wait for the uppercut

[quaint gale]

I mean, weak's kinda where it's at for high damage hit weapons

[acoustic venture]

or just pop pull and then dash out

[untold quiver]

@bright anchor I have a pretty good (heat 10) time with Achilles Spear going Ares for blade rifts, and fishing for the Hunting Blades combo

[onyx parcel]

Died to redacted again

Hate it here

[viral egret]

i feel like the special for guan yu is actually surprisingly good and something i overlooked a lot when i tried to run with it.

[onyx parcel]

Got even less far than last time

He just melted me

I just keep getting hit for some reason

[untold quiver]

Does the pull or the hit apply the debuff?

[dry ember]

the pull

[magic dagger]

pull applies debuff

hit is super slow and 100% not worth your time

[acoustic venture]

so pull > dash > attack

[untold quiver]

Does the pull apply things like doom?

[onyx parcel]

so pull > dash > attack
@acoustic venture if u want to animation cancel the punch, u can immediately attack after special

That’ll cancel the punch

[viral egret]

@onyx parcel depending on what part of [redacted] that you're dealing with, learning their hit patterns and steps in the snow helped me to learn to dodge most of their attacks a

[onyx parcel]

But not the pull

Idk what I was doing, I did so much better the first time I saw him

[viral egret]

if you're talking EM4 part of [redacted], I have 0 idea because i've not tried that yet.

[onyx parcel]

I kept getting hit by ||spin and boiling blood||

Nah 0 heat

I guess I wasn’t dodging enough

I had a reeeeeally good run too

[viral egret]

alrighty. So something I got good at with those moves is that [redacted] has 'tells' when he does them and you need to be watching out for them.

[onyx parcel]

I almost maxed out thick skin and deep pockets

I think it’ll help

Four more runs and I’ll get the third DD

by then I think I’ll HAVE to beat him

Otherwise it’s just proof that I’m not talented enough for this game

[delicate nimbus]

yeah then you'll have to quit forever

[untold quiver]

@viral egret ....spaming Artimis with the sword is how I'm at heat 15 with it.....no shame in that game

[viral egret]

the first is a silver-y lining around them, the 2nd is that they raise their hand

[onyx parcel]

I need like 900 more darkness for third DD

I think 4 runs will do it

Right?

Probably...?

[viral egret]

my first win is something that legitimately doesn't exist in game anymore lmao

[magic dagger]

lol same

[onyx parcel]

I can’t tell when he’ll use ||skull attack||

[viral egret]

Once upon a time, cursed slash worked on urns

[magic dagger]

I miss dual shot

[onyx parcel]

I can tell the spin attack by the white circle

But I can’t tell when he’ll do the skull

[magic dagger]

and ye olde hunter dash

[untold quiver]

Mine two actually, cause they changed Zags Shield

[viral egret]

when [redacted] goes to use that move, he raises his spear and is about to toss something at you

[onyx parcel]

I’ll watch out for that

Next time

Ughhhh

[sullen plaza]

hey guys can i ask a quick question about the chiron aspect bow

[onyx parcel]

So sad tho I could’ve beat him

[untold quiver]

Yes you should use the Chiron Bow

It's awesome

[viral egret]

yeah, points his spear at you and then throws the skull with the other

[sullen plaza]

i have the artemis boon that gives special damage and crit chance, level 3

but i have been offered the dionysus poison level 3 to replace it

which one is better?

[untold quiver]

Can you apply hangover some other way?

[magic dagger]

what level is your bow

[untold quiver]

Where are you in your journey?

[viral egret]

maaaannn, it's so hard for me to turn down Dionysus if i'm using the Chiron bow.

[sullen plaza]

no my attack is aphrodite weak and my special is currently artemis

i'm in the 3rd area right now

[magic dagger]

Heart rend 👀

don't take the trade

[grave forge]

i just had a great build using zeus Boons and ares boons Spear weapon

[magic dagger]

try to get more aphrodite/artemis

[sullen plaza]

do they have a good duo?

[grave forge]

basically picked up the remove cooldown from attacks on spear and you just keep spear clicked. Zeus gives the shock + the electrify on other units and ares gives extra dmg

[magic dagger]

yeah

[sullen plaza]

ok thanks i'll look out for that

[grave forge]

i had athena for the deflect

[sullen plaza]

i have the chaos boon for special damage also so i guess that helps with the crit

[viral egret]

i'd say take it, but if you have literally nothing else for dionysus, i'd rather just aim for duo

[grave forge]

i still cant figure out how to use the bow though

[untold quiver]

I'd keep it too, if you made it that far you don't need the room clear, and on single target the hangover stacks are overkill

[sullen plaza]

ahhh

[grave forge]

hell it sucks on both aoe and st

[sullen plaza]

ok thanks folks. maybe i'll kill the last boss this time

[errant narwhal]

@grave forge please dont evade the swear filter

[untold quiver]

Which Bow? Cause maybe that's true for the base but not the others by a long shot

[grave forge]

swear filter?

[viral egret]

alexa, how do i delete others comments for slandering The Almighty Bow

[grave forge]

@untold quiver theres only 1 bow ?

[viral egret]

have you unlocked aspects yet @grave forge ? cause the bow melts face with their aspect options

[untold quiver]

There are four aspects though

[grave forge]

aspects?

idk i just have the normal weapons

shield sword lance bow

[sullen plaza]

you have cool stuff in your future

[untold quiver]

The bow gets a lot better after your first clear

[hard holly]

Yknow what I miss

[viral egret]

that makes sense then

[hard holly]

Being able to oneshot hydra

Back when damage was multiplicative

[grave forge]

wait

we get more weapons?

waaa

[viral egret]

you get subcategories for weapons

[magic dagger]

he doesn't have all of the weapons yet either

[viral egret]

so like, it's still "the bow", but a few features will change with it.

[magic dagger]

there are 2 more

[viral egret]

oh dang, that's also true

[grave forge]

ye i know about 2 more i only know one of them though

fists or something

gloves

[untold quiver]

Yeah I think the only base weapon I use is the shield

[grave forge]

i dislike the sword

and the bow

[viral egret]

base shield is fun, but man Chaos Shield is hilarious

[grave forge]

i think my runs are always long when i use the spear

[magic dagger]

once you get the other 2, you'll be able to spend metacurrency to make the permanently stronger

[viral egret]

Sword also dramatically gets better with different aspects. no love for the og sword

[grave forge]

the only thing i hate about lance

is the god damn q

its so bad

barely does any dmg and the hit radius is so small

[untold quiver]

The q?

[grave forge]

special

[hard holly]

Special I think

[untold quiver]

Ah..... The special helps for applying debuffs, because of the range and d the piercing, chill, doom, hangover,

[grave forge]

though i ran a special build on my sword lmao

[hard holly]

Its also pretty good for doing damage

[grave forge]

idk i never found special on lance good

but i ran something with ares and poseidon on sword

with the 2x special ability

was melting everything lmao

[magic dagger]

is the q
@grave forge you might want to rebind that tbh, q is a pretty awkward button for an ability you should be using really often

if you have extra buttons on your mouse I recommend using one of those

[onyx parcel]

I died to redacted twice

Should I take tooth or acorn for him

Can’t decide which one is better

[magic dagger]

acorn

100%

[hard holly]

Acorn, yeah

[viral egret]

i almost always use my acorn on zone 3 boss

[magic dagger]

tooth is nowhere near as good

[onyx parcel]

So how many encounters does the tunnel in temple count as, in terms of leveling up keepsake?

[half crater]

i always took tooth, then everyone said acorn is better

so i tried it, and died

[onyx parcel]

My acorn is still level 2

[grave forge]

my mouse only has 3 buttons

[magic dagger]

you'd have to get extraordinarily unlucky for acorn to tank less than 100 health

[hard holly]

Think of it this way, tooth at max will give you 100 hp effectively

[grave forge]

2 and mwheel

[magic dagger]

even at minimum level

[hard holly]

Acorn will give you the hp of 5 hits, which can easily be over 100

[grave forge]

i could try mwheel

i suppose

[onyx parcel]

I’m gonna take tooth in biome 2 and 3, just in case I die. If I don’t, I keep tooth for redacted, if I do, I take acorn

[magic dagger]

mwheel doesn't work

[grave forge]

why?

thats a button

[magic dagger]

no idea

[grave forge]

i can do shift?

[magic dagger]

It might just be a problem on my end but the game won't allow me to bind to scroll or wheel click

[onyx parcel]

I would give up on tooth if I had 3 DD. But I’m still 900 darkness away from that

[grave forge]

shift sounds ok i think?

[half crater]

It might just be a problem on my end but the game won't allow me to bind to scroll or wheel click
it works for me

shift should work fine, yeah

[magic dagger]

o0f

might work then

[untold quiver]

Wait does acorn only work for one boss now?

[onyx parcel]

No

Every boss

[half crater]

you just wanna avoid having special be activated by the same fingers that you use to move

[untold quiver]

Okay the way I was reading stuff ingot confused lol

[onyx parcel]

Demeter cast is real nice

[grave forge]

yea you have a point

[onyx parcel]

Got it for the first time today

[grave forge]

i find myself getting hit because my finger goes to q

instead of a

i hope i dont get confused though

[untold quiver]

For survivability in boss fighs for me it comes down to acorn or Spearpoint

[grave forge]

i used to play games where shift is for dash

and i feel like ill use shift to dash instead of special lol

[onyx parcel]

For survivability in boss fighs for me it comes down to acorn or Spearpoint
@untold quiver what does pear point do

[viral egret]

demeter cast and artemis duo is soooo good

[half crater]

you can put dash on shift

[bright anchor]

Is privlidged status always better than the one that gives 2.5% damage per god?

Like should I always try to be applying 2 effects to use status or not necessarily depending on the weapon?

Mostly wondering about Guan Yu

[half crater]

remap all the keys

[untold quiver]

1.5 seconds of invincible after your hit, on a 7 second cooldown

[grave forge]

nono im really used to dash on space now

im spamming it almost all the time

[viral egret]

privileged status is good if using a run with multiple curses. i don't like it if i'm not aiming for that

[sullen plaza]

@magic dagger i got heart rend

[untold quiver]

So if you have trouble with things like getting caught in the urn and then walloped, it's better than the acorn

@viral egret agreed I use it on Rama because I usually have two status on the attack target so more damage transfers

[viral egret]

yeah, if the weapon has a curse on base, it's super worth it. otherwise, it's a risk

[untold quiver]

Yeah I usually have Demeter on attack I like the chills

I like her a lot with Hera Bow too Icewine is great, Ravenous will, the one that makes you do more damage when you don't have any casts

[hard holly]

Alright, lets see how Gilgamesh's Maim feels if it was multiplicative

[fading fog]

what's the best attack boon for aspect of rama

[half crater]

artemis

maybe aphrodite

i’d say artemis tho

[hearty elbow]

Definitely Artemis

Shared Suffering works excellently with crit

[fading fog]

nice

how about special then, i'd think aphro?

[hearty elbow]

Dio

[fading fog]

ah

[hard holly]

Artemis or Aphrodite

[half crater]

or zeus

[hard holly]

I personally think Aphrodite tbh just because she is more reliable

[hearty elbow]

You can go Aphro for a shot at Heart Rend

But Rama stacks Hangover very very easily, even without Relentless Volley

[magic dagger]

what's the best attack boon for aspect of rama
who needs attack boons when twin shot and explosive shot exist?
make the ultimate melee build

[fading fog]

i honestly haven't used dio too much outside of icewine/scintillating feast much

is hangover actually good

[magic dagger]

yes, hangover is actually good

[hearty elbow]

It's relative to the amount of effort it takes to maintain it

If it's easy, it's very good

[fading fog]

also lol i wonder if that's a strat, with sisyphus keepsake just don't pick up an attack boon

[magic dagger]

+80% damage

[untold quiver]

Zeus shield special, dash on any build your dashing to create room, Chiron Bow before it's upgraded

[hard holly]

Hm

This doesnt seem to work right

[magic dagger]

divine or hunter dash will pretty much always be better than dio dash

[untold quiver]

Sure but you don't always see it, and Hunter Dash doesn't do anything if your dashing Away

[half crater]

unless you’re using rail, bow or spear

so half the weapons

[magic dagger]

or sword

[half crater]

true

more than half

[untold quiver]

Like .....in my Achilles spear blade rifts I'm usually getting in there with the special, then unloading rifts, then dashing out

[magic dagger]

even with shield I can pretty consistently hit while running away

[half crater]

i mean, if your strategy is “blade rifts then run away” sure, i guess hunter dash isn’t that useful

[hard holly]

Ok does someone know a boon or hammer that still works multiplactively?

Other than crit

[cunning urchin]

"Charged" hammers.

[hearty elbow]

Anything that says "base damage"

[cunning urchin]

All of them except Charged Shot.

[hard holly]

Hm

This is very odd

[bronze sorrel]

Like .....in my Achilles spear blade rifts I'm usually getting in there with the special, then unloading rifts, then dashing out
@untold quiver

I mean, you can always loose all your blade rifts and then keep attacking for more damage. Thats what I usually do. Achilles gives you 150% attack damage, seems silly not to use it

[untold quiver]

Granted I haven't played much since the buff but when it was next 2, there wasn't much to use it on other than the rifts that's why I got in that habit

[fading fog]

perfect shot, repulse shot, or sniper shot for rama bow

[half crater]

not sniper for sure

not sure which i’d pick from the other two

[hearty elbow]

Perfect is fine

Repulse and Sniper are both terrible

[hard holly]

Perfect Shot

[cunning urchin]

Why is Sniper Shot even an option on Rama lol.

[hearty elbow]

I haven't played it yet, I wonder if Charged Volley still is lol

[stoic thicket]

On Rama? The special probably deals way too little damage for Charged Volley to be worth it.

[hearty elbow]

No, the fact that it's offered

[magic dagger]

sniper shot is bad
repulse shot is bad
perfect shot is also pretty lame

[hard holly]

Sniper Shot generally should just ramp up the %

[hearty elbow]

Perfect is alright. They sped up the charge animation by a good bit

[hard holly]

Rather than its current wacky way of working

On a sidenote, I have failed to make Gilgameshs Maim multiplicative

[stoic thicket]

Rama still has a weird timing for landing a perfect shot, with the hammer boon it's doable but still awkward to pull off if you're used to the other bows.

I mean it's doable even without the hammer but more awkward.

[cunning urchin]

Sniper Shot would be nice if you could actually see enemies north and south of its range.

[hard holly]

Eh, even then it wouldnt

[cunning urchin]

Well.

[hard holly]

Its just way too precise for way too little payoff

[cunning urchin]

Nicer.

@magic dagger because it's only reasonable at low heats and independent of your weapon. I didn't mention cast builds either. I just listed meta builds, really.

It's just to get people started.

[turbid needle]

i went on a dungeon run and I should have never went thru a chaos gate and chose -5 per attack

i lot two out of my death defiance

[cunning urchin]

lol

Death is how we learn (in Hades).

[turbid needle]

worst decision i made

using cast and my special were too slow