And they're super cheap
#h1-builds-and-combat
small stirrup
hybrid galleon
that too but i have no luck seeing that as often as these
hybrid galleon
they are always cheap tho, not the hydralite btw, hydralite is eh for the price it is
the instant healing ones are good if you need it
tho the ones i specified are like
its a no brainer to turn them down
unless you are broke
hard holly
I go for the golden touch thing in the mirror
So I tend to not spend gold at all until Styx
mellow iron
i think holding out everything til styx is a mistake. Usually I try to stay above 500 gold but I will definitely pick up boons in the shop still
velvet yoke
whats the best gun ?
mellow iron
if best = easiest to use, I would say the one-shot aspect
dry ember
Hestia can be hard if you incorporate Hunter Dash for extra damage
velvet yoke
aspect the rifle ?
dry ember
Maybe stupid question but do you know what aspect is?
dry ember
Then what do you mean by best gun?
velvet yoke
ik them now
im just looking for the best weapon to use so i can win
and have better odds
velvet yoke
ok
dry ember
Fwiw. Eventually you will see that every weapon is equally strong, like not an exaggeration.
Game balance is quite nice
mellow iron
Yes, truly the best weapon is a warrior's heart and faith in the power of the gods
velvet yoke
my best is level 3 and im on try 19
stiff stone
It’s a hard game
mellow iron
i didn't beat the game for around 30 tries
stiff stone
Don’t beat yourself down over it
Dying is pretty much inconsequential because after every run, win or not, there is something that can be unlocked, be it talents, weps, cosmetics, or dialogue.
And eventually you will reach the ending, which was just added
hard holly
Well, Id argue the weapons arent perfectly balanced
Hestia Rail is generally the best because its consistently insane
dry ember
Except it's doodoo vs Damage Control
stiff stone
Consistently insane is pretty subjective
dry ember
But you don't have to pick that
hard holly
Attack boon and maybe Dash Boon
And you win the run quickly
The rest is really largely irrelevant
stiff stone
What heat tho
hard holly
So long as you dont pick Damage control, should be doable on all heat
Im on 14 right now because I havent played that much since the bounty system
unkempt pagoda
it's outdated, isn't it?
stiff stone
I mean some weps work better for some people than others.
dry ember
Hestia is obviously third game citizen /s
Outdated for 1.0 yeab
But no high heat runs were done recently on 1.0 so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
stiff stone
I don’t agree with that list, and that’s fine cause it’s Nyaa’s
unkempt pagoda
maybe it's a little too early to ask for max heat runs then 
dry ember
It's literally rank by heat
unkempt pagoda
that's the list of highest heat done by weapons, using verifiable runs
stiff stone
Eh doesn’t say much tbh since you can route the hell out of any run
Which I’m pretty what was done for most most of those high escapes
dry ember
Those are non routed
We have a routed run at 57
I mean I guess you can't strictly prove it's not routed, but gameplay suggests organic run.
We did have someone tried to submit routed runs to this category amd got caught
Which was then removed.
stiff stone
Gotcha
I mean it’s a cool list, but I don’t think new players should go off it
unkempt pagoda
i will admit that "highest heat done by weapon" doesn't really tell us much about weapon viability, but lists r kool
stiff stone
True, and it’s so few people that go after that high heat, let alone record the run
unkempt pagoda
people who've done 120 heat >>>>
unkempt pagoda
it was.... clunky. and overinflated
basically, heat was a resource you collected (hydra dropped it), that you could then put into the pact of punishment (which was where the fated list is today)
it gave you a +% darkness bonus for every heat you dropped into it
dry ember
Oh
unkempt pagoda
statues went 30/60/120, max heat was 200
the heat rework was a welcome change
and yes, that does mean you could collect more heat than you could actually put into the pact lol
unkempt pagoda
lol
i got my second statue back then, so i can confidently say i've done a 60 heat run
mighty ermine
back in the day of champs being the final boss i did 153 heat with shield lol
unkempt pagoda
of course, 60 heat then is quite a bit less than 16 heat would be now, so
mighty ermine
only possible because TD wasn't a thing
turbid halo
How does the Dashing flight hammer work for shield? Do you just dash-special like you would dash attack? And does it affect the damage on explosive return?
unkempt pagoda
it's basically a dash special, like fists' dash upper
not sure how it actually interacts with dash strike boons/upgrades though, since it doesn't actually call itself a dash special...
true eagle
Is heavy knuckle good? I used it the other day and it seemed to have lower effective damage (at the cost of me also losing the mental timing)
turbid needle
I think it's good if your special is better and you having something like Ares' boon in your attack, otherwise I don't see much benefit from it
mellow iron
If I'm using the Aspect of Hera on the bow, how do Attack Damage and Cast damage bonuses work when my cast is loaded into my attack? Do I get both, or just the cast bonus?
dry ember
Both
Cast gets cast damage
Your arrow gets attack damage
(Cast won't get attack damage though, if that's what you are asking)
mellow iron
Ah ok, so they're just separate entities still that fire at the same time. Thanks
covert hatch
What's the best weapon when shooting for a blade rift build? Poseidon blade for cast damage?
unkempt pagoda
achilles or poseidon
hard holly
Old heat system was flawed
But I liked one part about it
You could increase enemy damage by 500%
600% enemy damage runs were fun
Im also still confused why Chaos shield is so high up
I will never understand it
gloomy bone
So, I'm having issues with damage avoidance while using Aspect of Lucifer. The delay on the beam seems like it will be too much when going up against Hades, and I'm having a harder time avoiding damage in general.
Any tips?
visual holly
I'm not sure if this is super obvious, but the beam attack of Aspect of ||Lucifer|| continues through dashes, you just have to be quick with aiming it around.
So that can help you avoid damage, if you didn't take advantage of it yet.
gloomy bone
Unfortunately, I went with the single dash. I might have to change that up, then.
visual holly
Also as with Adamant Rail in general, use your special while you're reloading to keep up the damage as much as possible.
gloomy bone
True. Though with how often enemies move around, the special is harder to make use of than the specials of other weapons
I think maybe I should have gone with more health and more dashes in my mirror build
The boons I've been offered haven't worked well either, unfortunately. The only attack boon I was offered was one from Ares, which is the least helpful boon with this Aspect I feel
visual holly
Yes, one of the strengths of that aspect is the fast fire rate, so applying stacking status effects like chill and hangover is super easy.
hard holly
Its best with Zeus attack
gloomy bone
I just got an attack speed boost, which will help
hard holly
And yeah Ares boon is bad in general, but especially so on Lucifer rail
hearty elbow
lmao, perhaps it wasn't best to try EM4 for the first time with Malphon at 25 heat. Got megaspanked. Fight is so cool though
bronze sorrel
OK so if I have Sweet Nectar, plus two upgradable boons (Specifically Epic Tempest Strike and Rare Heartbreak Flourish), and I'm at Euridice's room, do I want the guarenteed upgrade to each of those boons, or double poms on each of them? Which is the bigger upgrade overall?
hearty elbow
What aspect?
bronze sorrel
Eris
hearty elbow
Probably still ambrosia
bronze sorrel
I also have spread fire and a chaos attack boon if thats relevent
This has been a good run so far lol
hard holly
Remind me, does Artemis dash affect Dash Upper?
dry ember
yes
hearty elbow
The fact that they are attack boons means they stop scaling with Poms quite quickly. In the short term I believe the poms will give more damage but it's very easy to get poms
hearty elbow
It would change with, say, Drunken Strike/Flourish, which only increases +1 with rarity and poms, so +2 would be welcome regardless
bronze sorrel
Right, that makes sense
or probably with Lightning Strike/Flourish too? or am I wrong there
hearty elbow
Idk about Flourish, but Lightning Strike has a soft cap at level 4 I think
Where it starts only increasing by 1
hearty elbow
Though even at common, level 4 is 20 iirc? So +1 is still a 5% damage increase, which is respectable
turbid needle
Should I get guan yu or arthur?
hearty elbow
Certainly moreso than attack boons get at that point lol
@turbid needle Lol, you could not possibly have picked between two more different aspects
They're both great if that's what you're asking
turbid needle
@hearty elbow I saying which one I should use
Cuz both look really good but when I run sword I usually don't do my special and I don't like how guan you halves your life
hearty elbow
But the playstyles are worlds apart. Excalibur plays man mode, big thicc swings, enemies go bonk.
Guan Yu plays very cautiously, either at hyper long range with CHarged Skewer, or very calculated with Athena + spin builds
hearty elbow
Get Greater Consecration, it's very easy to use special once and forget about it
It's also by far its best hammer
hearty elbow
Makes the area of the special 75% bigger, and I think it improves the slow effect
turbid needle
I don't use my special often tho regardless of effects I get for it
It's halts my dps
hearty elbow
You open with dash + special usually then you can forget about it
It's 8 seconds I think? that's forever. You don't use it to damage or apply status
turbid needle
I'll do that more then
Cuz I dash and attack and do the stab effect
Rather than the dash in special
hearty elbow
Yeah you can still do that but it's very very low maintenance. Greater COnsecreation lets you initiate with the aura WELL before you're in range of enemies
abstract urchin
are some duo boons rarer than others? i've been trying to get hunting blades but i can never get it with slicing shot + deadly strike but ive gotten stuff like heart rend or low tolerance several times
bronze sorrel
I'd get Arthur if your still learning the game, it's really good for farming up them currencies, guan yu is a bit harder, but very good once you get it down and learn to live with the reduced health.
hearty elbow
@abstract urchin "kind of". Different gods have different pools depending on the boons you have at the moment, and duos have variable requirements, so you end up only being eligible for some later on in a run.
So e.g. to get Hunting Blades, you typically have to open up 2 rift boons on Ares, and all of Artemis' tier 2s
abstract urchin
oh i didnt realize that t2s were a requirement, thanks
hearty elbow
No that's not what I'm saying
simple trail
isnt all duo works the same way
hearty elbow
To qualify for Hunting BLades, you also open up the boon pool for a bunch of non-Hunting Blades boons, so it dilutes the odds
plucky girder
What event do I need to do to unlock aspects?
boreal summit
unlock all weapons first
plucky girder
ah k, thx
brave steppe
Does Mirage shot do anything for crystal beam?
hearty elbow
You learn to love them
dry ember
you can't get mirage shot with crystal beam I thought?
hearty elbow
It's very easy even with FO2 to kite them into stuff
BP2 makes that more complicated occasionally
brave steppe
I got Mirage shot first and Demeter gave me Crystal Beam so i have both
cunning urchin
Lightning Strike has a soft cap at level 4 I think
More like a soft floor for poms. Pom bonus of each additional level is less than the previous until it hits a minimum, then every additional level gives that minimum bonus. For most boons, that's at Lv.4 or Lv.5.
Thunder Strike goes +4 dmg from Lv.1 to Lv.2, then +3 dmg, +2 dmg from Lv.3 to Lv.4, and every level after that is +1 dmg.
Curse of Agony goes Lv.1 → +30 → +21 → + 14 → +13 → +13 → ...
Heartbreak Strike Lv.1 → +20% → +14% → +9% → +7% → +5% → +4% → +4% → ...
hearty elbow
@cunning urchin What do you bind dash to for Malphon for dash-upper? I don't have gilgamesh yet but I assume it would help a lot, and I've been fat fingering dash a lot on Coronacht as well on Switch pro controllers
cunning urchin
Just default.
hearty elbow
Oh, hm, I seemed to recall you suggesting to use a shoulder button
cunning urchin
I use LB for Casts on Beowulf and for Reloads on Exagryph.
With Beowulf, I have:
LB = Cast
A = Dash
X = Special
B = Attack
I always have Dash on A, anyway.
turbid needle
Is the black shawl any good?
dry ember
it's usable
hearty elbow
lol
dry ember
I use it for speedrunning sometime
hearty elbow
That is true in the strictest definition
tame sky
||Is it just me or is Guan Yu RIDICULOUSLY HARD to win with? Too little health, and even with defensive Athena deflection I died to the Elysium champions repeatedly. I suppose I should just get more Titan blood into it so the health penalties aren't as ridic?||
sharp shadow
If you hit an enemy with multiple bloodstones, does boiling blood stack?
cunning urchin
No.
sharp shadow
Thats what I thought, figured I might as well ask though
regal edge
@tame sky ||Guan Yu requires a different playstyle. If you face-tank a lot of damage in your playthroughs, Guan Yu is very punishing (Max Rank Guan Yu is 50% HP reduction, so still a ton of HP reduction. If it was max rank like 25% or 33%, that'd be nicer tbh but maybe busted at that point). But if you only take the occasional hit, Guan Yu allows you to heal up a decent amount per accidental hit that you take. Although, getting a Daedalus Hammer with a quicker spin charge time is super useful and almost necessary at higher heat runs||
rich kelp
does shattered shackle (bonus damage with no boons) work if you have a chaos boon? probably not but i noticed you cant sell chaos boons so thought id ask
dry ember
yup
regal edge
I believe Shattered Shackle basically checks if you have a Boon equipped in the corresponding slot. Chaos Boons do not equip to a "primary" slot, so Shackle still works.
turbid needle
is a switch pro controller better than the regular controller
onyx parcel
is a switch pro controller better than the regular controller
@turbid needle I find joy cons equally enjoyable in handheld
tame sky
@tame sky ||Guan Yu requires a different playstyle. If you face-tank a lot of damage in your playthroughs, Guan Yu is very punishing (Max Rank Guan Yu is 50% HP reduction, so still a ton of HP reduction. If it was max rank like 25% or 33%, that'd be nicer tbh but maybe busted at that point). But if you only take the occasional hit, Guan Yu allows you to heal up a decent amount per accidental hit that you take. Although, getting a Daedalus Hammer with a quicker spin charge time is super useful and almost necessary at higher heat runs||
@regal edge For me the issue I take lots of incidental damage (like accidentally dashing into projectiles). What spear aspect is easier to use you think? It's the only weapon I haven't won with yet.
onyx parcel
But if ur in docked pro controller is prob more comfortable
Y’all, any tips to use hades aspect spear?
I don’t find opportunities in combat to spin
turbid needle
@onyx parcel I like the joycons but I wanna see if the pro controller feels better
hearty elbow
I'm not a huge fan, personally. Something about the amount of force necessary to press B (dash) feels off. I'm figuring out an alternate binding set for myself at least.
It requires too little, at least for me, so I press it accidentally all the time in heated situations
regal edge
Spear is my least favorite aspect because I personally feel that (besides ||Guan Yu|| which forces a different playstyle) every other aspect basically ends up playing the same way. Sometimes I forget which Aspect I'm using since I don't notice it.
onyx parcel
@onyx parcel I like the joycons but I wanna see if the pro controller feels better
@turbid needle they def do in docked if u get used to it
regal edge
Getting the Daedalus Hamer Quick Charge (spin charges up faster) and/or the Sturdy when Charging upgrade helps with Hades Aspect @onyx parcel
onyx parcel
But if I can’t?
regal edge
Although honestly I just go for +damage on primary attack and then just spam it
regal edge
I think I end up using Achilles because the Spear Dash is useful for repositioning
dry ember
@onyx parcel here is an example run with a lot of enemies modifiers. Most notably enemies moves 40% faster. He still finds place to spin. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EGOHQcOMGs
regal edge
Plus you get bonus damage for a few seconds afterwards
covert hatch
The spin hits multiple times right? So you'd want a stacking debuff on attack for it? (For ||Guan Yu|| aspect)
onyx parcel
42 heat wtf
cunning urchin
lol
dry ember
actually you want damage on that attack for GY. Case in point: this is with a single Deadly Strike https://streamable.com/fdj77r
covert hatch
Yeah I've heard that GY basically moves you to relying on special for more damage
regal edge
@onyx parcel You'll quickly figure out that movement in this game is king. Being able to reposition is super useful.
@covert hatch Yep, sometimes I try a Demeter 10 chill clear build, or an Ares stacking Doom build, but having Athena or Artemis or any other massive +dmg on it also works since the aspect has high damage with its spin.
cunning urchin
Guan Yu builds at high heat, at least, are either 100% focused on Charged Skewer or focus on Divine Strike for healing spins and Dash-Strikes
onyx parcel
@dry ember am I blind or does that guy’s spear not attack before he charges a spin?
cunning urchin
Even without Charged Skewer, the Special can do a lot of work, anyway.
covert hatch
I was a dummy and picked Poseidon attack my first run with GY lol
cunning urchin
Tailesque typically charges his spin immediately from Dash-Strikes.
So that way he doesn't end up doing a normal attack before the spin charge.
regal edge
"What is your favorite boon and why is it Divine Dash"
onyx parcel
So that way he doesn't end up doing a normal attack before the spin charge.
@cunning urchin ah so he DOES attack before a spin
It’s just a dash attack
Not a normal one
Is that correct
cunning urchin
Right.
onyx parcel
👍ty
regal edge
Poseidon's knockaway effects can really screw some builds kuz it pushes enemies out of AoE stuff
dry ember
Artemis
hearty elbow
i'm pretty sure he started Arrowhead but I could be misremembering
dry ember
I mean Artemis is right there on the cover xD
onyx parcel
Oops lol
This guy’s a real spear master huh
He always plays spear
Is he active in this discord
onyx parcel
Why does his hammer block out two options
hearty elbow
you can @ him if you have specific questions, he does typically respond relatively quickly
Approval Process 2 is a pact
onyx parcel
Ah
covert hatch
Does Aspect of ||Arthur|| stay as good at high heat as it feels at low, or is it too slow?
covert hatch
Primo
dry ember
I can do it fairly consistently on 32 also
hearty elbow
It is... very difficult past 40ish though
covert hatch
I'm only cracking 8 for sword so far but it's nice to know
hearty elbow
Once you need to start using HL and FO2 it's very very rough
onyx parcel
Does hades bonus damage effect stack
And I’m assuming u do bonus damage to enemies hit with a spin, correct?
dry ember
I just default to 32 heat here for viability unless otherwise specified
Hades debuff doesn't stack
covert hatch
Rewards stop at 20 per weapon?
spark lotus
My god Chiron is DPSy. Was it always so good?
burnt sandal
is leveling Aspect of Hera really that useful? rather leave the cast in there longer for the Boiling Blood damage
hearty elbow
Yeah, fair, that's why I usually ask. Excalbur feels pretty busted at 32 still but it falls off sooo hard
dry ember
@covert hatch Correct unless Hell Mode
hearty elbow
is leveling Aspect of Hera really that useful? rather leave the cast in there longer for the Boiling Blood damage
@burnt sandal It's not that useful, but not for the reason you said. It's because Hera is often used with non-lodging casts.
small stirrup
Does it stop at 25 for hell mode?
covert hatch
I totally missed what Hell mode is
hearty elbow
Though crush shot is good too
small stirrup
You have one extra pact and you start off with 5 heat which is fixed throughout all of your runs
hearty elbow
Either way, Cast damage is such a huge part of your damage and Boiling Blood is so easy to maintain that it doesn't matter, you just want to be able to cast more
burnt sandal
so it's not a priority to level it, but leveling doesn't make it actively worse?
covert hatch
Did they fix the issue with Hera and Crush Shot
hard holly
Why in the world would the game give me the stupid mini wheels
In Erebus
On Arthur sword
burnt sandal
Stygian Soul would go well with it then
hearty elbow
It's not an issue, you just aim the arrow in front of the enemy
burnt sandal
or is it better to have the 3 casts and stack multiple into one shot?
hearty elbow
Don't aim to hit them
covert hatch
That's such a mindset change
hearty elbow
It's conditional. Aim to kill the target, so stack as much as that calls for.
Usually better off to just stack all of them though
cunning urchin
Well, you don't really have a good reason to Power Shot to deliver your casts with Hera, anyway.
hearty elbow
Until you put blood into the weapon though, be wary of lodging into bosses with long invuln phases like Lernie though lol
cunning urchin
You just want to deliver your casts asap for the big burst damage.
Your casts don't care if it's a Power Shot or any regular shot. So you want to release asap and just charge long enough to reach the enemy.
hearty elbow
And it's not that much of a mindset change if you've played with Explosive Shot on any aspect before
dry ember
I feel like the charge time is short enough I just power shot anyway
hearty elbow
Same difference, really
No power shots, aim to clip enemies and then start a new charge
cunning urchin
@hard holly Excalibur's Holy Aura handles Flamewheels easily.
hearty elbow
and Chariots praise Dad
fervent mural
what boon do you all pick to start runs?
hearty elbow
Yes
dry ember
Yes
dry ember
which weapon?
fervent mural
i normally take the money
dry ember
that works too 😄
hearty elbow
Coinpurse is definitely legit though
covert hatch
My usual choice is god/god/coin/spear
fervent mural
uhh i never use the god boonsXD
dry ember
God God Acorn Acorn gang
small stirrup
My runs have been turning into just plume/plume/plume/plume
cunning urchin
I take die 70 times to find the right hammer seed with AP2. 
covert hatch
Woof
boreal summit
Im just levelling them all one by one in order
regal edge
Late Game new keepsake spoiler but I've been running: ||Pom/Pom/Pom/Pom (it's broken in Styx) maybe Acorn if I'm low||
covert hatch
But I don't want to eat my win streakk lol
boreal summit
aghhh for some reason I cant screenshot or snipping tool the game after 1.0
fervent mural
ay ty^^ will try some of these combos now
(trying to figure out god/weapon combinations by myxself)
dry ember
for sure! if you want some help you can always ask also
fervent mural
😄 btw did they nerf the arrow shooting thing from artemis? when i got the game a few patches and won for the first time it was hillariously op
(for every hit you do shoot 1 arrow)
dry ember
yee they did
fervent mural
sadXD
cunning urchin
At the beginning of a run, I take the Eternal Rose on most aspects that I play, the Owl Pendant on some of them, and the Thunder Signet on the rest.
cunning urchin
In Asphodel.
cunning urchin
Eternal Rose:
→ Thunder Signet (Smoldering Air)
→ Owl Pendant (Divine Dash + Last/Deathless Stand)
→ Pointed Arrowhead (Hunter Dash + Heart Rend)
→ Chtonic Coin Purse
Owl Pendant:
→ Pointed Arrowhead (Hunter Dash + Deadly Reversal + Support Fire)
→ Chtonic Coin Purse
→ Acorn
Thunder Signet
→ Eternal Rose (Smoldering Air)
→ Owl Pendant (Divine Dash + Last/Deathless Stand)
→ Pointed Arrowhead (Support Fire)
→ Chthonic Coin Purse
My most common swaps in Asphodel.
onyx parcel
@dry ember if I charge Demeter, does the blue light heavy punch effect go away after time?
If I don’t use it some time after charging it?
civic barn
it doesn't
onyx parcel
Does the 12 strike counter refresh if I don’t attack in a while?
rose iron
So as someone that struggles with sword, what're some good boons to look out for with it?
civic barn
divine strike is (almost) always nice on it
cunning urchin
Attack: Heartbreak Strike (Aphrodite), Divine Strike (Athena), Deadly Strike (Artemis), or Curse of Agony (Ares)
Dash: Divine Dash (Athena) or Hunter Dash (Artemis)
small stirrup
Lightning strike has worked extremely well for me
rose iron
What about the special slot?
small stirrup
Any flourish works
Just pick something so it does some decent damage as you progress
cunning urchin
Your Special boon is typically from any god you want to "splash" in order to unlock some Duo Boon path that you want.
rose iron
I wish we could test boons out on Skelly. :/a
small stirrup
You can always drop that in the feedback and hope they listen 
cunning urchin
Primary source of damage with base sword is Dash-Strike and regular Attacks.
rose iron
I'm not allowed to post in there for some reason
cunning urchin
Check the pinned messages in #hades-feedback for how get permission to post there.
sullen valley
Repulse Shot, Sniper Shot, or Point-Blank Shot? (Sharanga)
cunning urchin
Errr . . . @hearty elbow is the Rama expert.
sullen valley
bwuh
civic barn
depends on your other boonhammer i feel
sullen valley
Other Boon?
sullen valley
ohp
Yeah this is my only one
Hrm...might go for .blank
since everything likes getting up close and personal anyway
civic barn
if it's the first one i'd pick point-blank
hearty elbow
Repulse is mega bad lol. Like meme bad
sullen valley
oof
hearty elbow
Point blank is the only option in that set
cunning urchin
Well, you heard it from the #1 Rama player.
sullen valley
Speaking of up-close who likes giant axes? Not sure if I do...
cunning urchin
The correct choice is the meme choice and beat his high-heat record with it. 
hearty elbow
I haven't played Rama since 1.0. Did the special change ala the trailer?
cunning urchin
the #1 Rama player who has no idea about Rama in 1.0*
rose iron
Question: If I'm using Aspect of Nemesis, does Artemis' Attack boon stack on top of the crit buff you get from using Special?
hearty elbow
Lol yeah I forgot how to unlock it. I just throw presents at Artemis until she whispers sweet nothings in my ears right?
cunning urchin
Yeah, the crit chance should be additive.
rose iron
Also, who do I need to talk to in order to get the Aspect of ||Arthur|| on Sword?
cunning urchin
@hearty elbow you don't need to give her any Nectar lol.
cunning urchin
the #1 Rama player who doesn't know how to unlock Rama . . .*
There's no hope for the rest of us.
fallen geyser
gonna give the spread fire railgun a shot, after gettting artemis boon what other gods work well with it?
cunning urchin
More Lady Artemis boons.
hearty elbow
I haven't been in a huge rush :3 Zag and Chiron feel good to use now.
fallen geyser
so just double down on artemis
unkempt pagoda
hunter dash, probably
cunning urchin
Triple-down.
fallen geyser
which one is hunter dash?
unkempt pagoda
chaos for good measure
boreal bobcat
65 runs in, and still struggling with the Spear. Any suggestions? Anything change with 1.0?
cunning urchin
Hunter Dash is from Lady Artemis . . .
fallen geyser
sounds good
sullen valley
Throw some more, it's the more powerful of the attacks
cunning urchin
You could get Crush Shot + Heart Rend or Passion Dash + Heart Rend to make your crits go kababoom instead of kaboom.
hearty elbow
Wtf TIL that you need GY first. What a weird prereq
fallen geyser
sry i still dont have all the names matched up with the gods
heart/passion stuff is aphrodite?
boreal bobcat
Okay, what's a good boon for throwing spear?
cunning urchin
Heart Rend is their Duo Boon.
dry ember
Deadly Flourish
hearty elbow
Deadly
dry ember
but it matters more on what hammer you can pick up though
cunning urchin
Heartbreak Flourish. Screw Deadly Flourish.
dry ember
cunning urchin
Heartbreak Flourish + Zeus' Aid + Smoldering Air.
Easy peasy victory.
Pick up Divine Dash or Second Wind on the way, too.
reef galleon
Which reflex is more popular here, Ruthless reflex or Greater reflex?
cunning urchin
Greater Reflex.
unkempt pagoda
greater
dry ember
Greater yeah
dire wedge
unkempt pagoda
though there is discussion on ruthless reflex with ||gilgamesh|| to be had
reef galleon
Well, I guess that's because despite dodge-bonus it's just not worth it to leave to chance such things as unpredictable number of incoming threats that have a time window of less than a second between them.
unkempt pagoda
i think it's just because two dashes will always be safer than one, no matter what riders you place on it
idle oak
Does Curse of drowning work on Hera bow? how does it interact?
reef galleon
But I liked Ruthless reflex for a while. I don't like spamming dash, but I had to switch to Greater back because of what I mentioned.
dry ember
I don't think it is offered if you have Hera
cunning urchin
Well, it's mainly just the fact that 100% chance of i-framing beats 50% chance of dodging.
reef galleon
Kinda wish Ruthless' difference were the length or something
keen ocean
Yeah, some additional dash distance would be handy.
reef galleon
Because I really, really dislike spamming dashes
sullen valley
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"Numbing Sensation," "Low Tolerance," or "Splitting Headache (Fated)."
cunning urchin
Well.
sullen valley
Numbing is Epic
cunning urchin
You can just play with RI3 and save yourself the headache of choosing between Ruthless Reflex and Greater Reflex.
small stirrup
True
reef galleon
ah yes
keen ocean
I recommend the fated choice. Just get it out of the way so you don't have to take it again.
reef galleon
the binding of I, Zag
sullen valley
sssshut
small stirrup
ba dum tss
sullen valley
Dude I despise how every single one of these boons are so good with each other but I can only take one
keen ocean
I know that feeling. Just the other day I got Dio's legendary alongside his duo with Demeter.
reef galleon
Try Approval process will help
cunning urchin
Come to think it, I should take my Darkness out of Greater Reflex at lower heats to get better practice for high heat. 
small stirrup
Nyaan no
cunning urchin
Hm?
reef galleon
Sell mirror, liquidate mirror assets
small stirrup
Just enjoy the darkness while you can
cunning urchin
lol I already play with FO2 LC4 TD3 on by default for similar reasons.
small stirrup
I mean LC 4 basically removes Cthonic vitality/Dark regeneration so it shouldn't matter right?
cunning urchin
Are you asking me? I dunno, why don't you try and find out.
Is it legal to link a Steam guide I wrote earlier? I've no idea.
For anyone who might find it helpful.
small stirrup
From one of Hades's top players
https://media.tenor.com/images/dad8d9b9d7fe0b79c4409b8ad97154a1/tenor.gif
cunning urchin
rose iron
I think the guide does need expanding upon. On top of the How, you need to include the "Why"
unkempt pagoda
with a weapon
rose iron
@onyx parcel Hit behind him.
small stirrup
You smack him real hard that his shield breaks
rose iron
He'll often put distance between you and him before a spear throw, turning his back on you. Hit him then.
unkempt pagoda
after he throws or he spins, he always walks away from your position
rose iron
Also if you have a Pierce effect on your weapon somewhere, that bypasses shields.
unkempt pagoda
when he's calling for olympian aid, he is a sitting duck and you can attack willy-nilly
onyx parcel
Sounds like it would take painfully long to kill him then
when he's calling for olympian aid, he is a sitting duck and you can attack willy-nilly
@unkempt pagoda but I have to dodge the circles
unkempt pagoda
dodge and attack at the same time
onyx parcel
Impossible
dry ember
dodge and attack is called Dash Strike
small stirrup
Vorime would disagree
https://clips.twitch.tv/HedonisticGiftedPanGrammarKing
dry ember
it is possible
cunning urchin
Why do I "need" to include the why?
unkempt pagoda
if the minotaur is too much of a distraction, kill him first and focus on theseus
rose iron
@cunning urchin Just saying "This is good" doesn't really explain WHY it's good.
cunning urchin
Yeah, but that's just saying not saying why doesn't explain why.
unkempt pagoda
theseus always spins when he's within melee of you. in long range, he'll throw his spear, which has a very clear audio and visual cue
cunning urchin
Why should I "need" to explain the why?
rose iron
Also, if this is for newbies, they're not going to understand what ANY of this is.
Or why it's good.
cunning urchin
dry ember
Honestly I think people should discover the why for themselves. Although that should be apparent if you actually follow the how.
rose iron
I mean, it's as simple as something like
Sword
Heartbreak Strike: You're going to spend a lot of time up close, so making enemies hurt less when you (eventually) mess up isn't a bad idea.
small stirrup
I find the guide to fit it's purpose quite well tbh. But that might be cause I'm a veteran and so I just know it works
cunning urchin
Way too much info for a guide that just shows what works for newbies who just want to know what works.
rose iron
Eh, to each their own
cunning urchin
People kept asking for a guide that just shows the best boons for each weapon. So there it is.
Anything beyond that is for them to explore and figure out on their own.
turbid needle
give me luck guys its my second time facing hades after failing once
dry ember
good luck bud
cunning urchin
Luck to you.
dry ember
give him hell
cunning urchin
All the good luck and all the bad luck.
Have all of it.
Sword
Heartbreak Strike: You're going to spend a lot of time up close, so making enemies hurt less when you (eventually) mess up isn't a bad idea.
@rose iron the reason for all of those boons is just straight up maximizing your DPS or getting Deflect. Weak is great but secondary.
rose iron
See, I didn't know those things.
cunning urchin
I guess I might add that sentence. When I've had some sleep, though.
Not sure. The intention is just for people to have some solid core builds from which they can just explore all their possibilities.
And it gives them some standard to compare other builds to that they try.
idle oak
Is Stygian Soul good with Beowulf?
turbid needle
i keep on attacking his back but he keeps on hitting me from behind
rose iron
It sounds like you're focusing too much on attacking and not on evading @turbid needle
Hades' primary spear attack is a full 360 sweep, it doesn't MATTER what side you approach from. He winds that thing up, you get away from him.
reef galleon
or block
rose iron
That too.
It's kinda scary how much you can trivialize him by blocking.
I was kinda in disbelief when I saw you could block his lasers.
reef galleon
It was before em4, probably. Haven't tried it yet.
cunning urchin
Always be on the move perpendicular to him, that way you will easily evade his spear thrust 100% of the time. You can also dash once towards him when you see him start up any attack, and then just time a second time if you see that it's the spin attack to i-frame that. That will handle all of his attacks in phase 1.
He has a lot of recovery after the spin attack, so that's your moment to deal some damage.
turbid needle
does hades get a new moveset when he comes back to life?
cunning urchin
Yes.
turbid needle
whats new?
glossy gale
Charged flight got nerfed in half. How do you guys feel about it?
cunning urchin
He keeps the skull throw and the thrust > thrust > skull combo.
rose iron
"What's new?"
LASERS.
unkempt pagoda
more lasers, no summons
rose iron
also gets Lightning Rod again. This is quickly becoming one of his favorite duos.
unkempt pagoda
pretty sure he's faster too
cunning urchin
In phase 1 with ranged weapons, if you keep your distance, he will throw his skull from any range, but if he moves towards you, it will always be a thrust or spin attack. So you can predict his behavior that way.
rose iron
Probably not a good Duo when you're racing the clock, but it's sure good when you aren't.
Just sit back and let your ammo kill things for you. ❤️
unkempt pagoda
it's a good duo specifically for non cast builds
the ultimate fire-and-forget strats
hearty elbow
Yeah it's super free now.
I mean it was free before but usually came at the cost of pseudo Approval Process 1 lol
But now it performs useful game actions, \o/
cunning urchin
He's not faster. He's enraged on his last 50% in phase 2, so he will attack with less delay between attacks. But the attack startup remains the same as before, and his movement speed doesn't change.
cosmic dawn
Does Lightning Rod work with Stygian Soul? never tried it
rose iron
Also man, ||Persephone||'s keepsake is STUPID GOOD
unkempt pagoda
nope, doesn't appear at all
cosmic dawn
that's weird
cunning urchin
Enraged works the same on every boss.
cosmic dawn
I swear I had a run where lightning rod appeared despite me having stygian soul
unkempt pagoda
stygian soul doesn't drop bloodstones lol
cosmic dawn
maybe it's faulty memory
unkempt pagoda
it wouldn't work anyways
rose iron
You basically get a random Pom every 4 rooms. I love it.
ocean skiff
yo anyone knows how rocket bomb + targeting systems works for the rail?
cunning urchin
Maybe it's maybelline.
hearty elbow
Though Exit Wounds still works with Stygian Soul I think?
unkempt pagoda
i assume it slows down anything in the path
rocket bomb's explosion is the exact same as regular rail special (aside from damage of course), it just has a different means of getting there
cunning urchin
Though Exit Wounds still works with Stygian Soul I think?
Yes.
rose iron
It's also possible the slow effect doesn't happen since there's no target area.
worldly trellis
tfw your entire build relies on backstabs and the enemy has no back to stab 
cunning urchin
@ocean skiff try it out, and report back to us.
worldly trellis
stupid butterfly ball
rose iron
I admit I've not been good about using backstabs. I tend to rely more on "Damage boost if enemy is at full health" stuff to quickly kill weak mobs and get a good opening hit on stronger stuff.
cunning urchin
Should have thought of that when you built your entire build to rely on backstabs, maybe?
worldly trellis
I like those on big bursty things, like the bow
unkempt pagoda
the change to fiery presence making it twice as powerful was great
still won't be using it though
cunning urchin
Fiery Presence was buffed?
unkempt pagoda
yes, went from 50% to 100%
unkempt pagoda
makes it an actual competitor to shadow presence
hearty elbow
Hestia and cast builds rejoice.
unkempt pagoda
still prefer backstabbing, but it's quite nice
fervent mural
i jsut had a runstart with a deadalus hammer 😮
cunning urchin
Hestia has no problem with bosses either way.
cunning urchin
Main problem for Hestia is clearing mob waves in time for TD.
unkempt pagoda
parting shot equivalent for fiery presence when
covert hatch
What's the damage bonus when you cap out Hestia?
unkempt pagoda
150 i think
cunning urchin
I use LB on pad.
hearty elbow
I use L2
covert hatch
Or controller bind I guess
Yeah that'll probably be what I go with
Move codex to right stick
cunning urchin
@hearty elbow what was your highest heat with Hestia?
hearty elbow
40
hearty elbow
That's almost 3% better
rose iron
So I ended up with a Special focused spear build despite using Aspect of Hades. That was a thing.
hearty elbow
Exploding Launcher is OP with Hades
unkempt pagoda
punishing sweep buffs special too, so it's pretty good
rose iron
Honestly I spent most of my time just spamming special. Posted the big parts of it in the victory channel.
Basically I just walked into a room, spammed special, everything died. For final boss, kiting while abusing Lightning Rod and Special.
Only thing that would have been more hilarious is if I could have gotten Cold Fusion on top of all that.
cunning urchin
Attack builds and Special builds can work on all Varatha aspects.
hearty elbow
Attack Zag spear is... something
unkempt pagoda
it's just pre-aspect spear lol
cunning urchin
Sometimes you just swap mid-run because you were focusing on Attack but got a better hammer for Special or vice versa.
hearty elbow
Yeah that's pretty much every GY run for me. Hades I really hate to not start with a hammer
unkempt pagoda
hades pure spin builds are so fun lol
yes i can hit half the chamber every 3 seconds, why do you ask?
civic barn
why stop at half when you can hit the entire chamber
hearty elbow
RIP Chaos aspect
covert hatch
What works best with Aspect of ||Beowulf|| I wonder
unkempt pagoda
charged flight :V
if you want to play it the intended way, infernal soul passion flare
brittle vault
okay, arthur is absolutely insane
fastest most chill run, got the lambent feather to like 26% starting at level 1
covert hatch
Whack
tranquil knot
First time trying shield ||Beowulf|| aspect I left Stygian Soul on and it wasn't a good time
Should try it again with Infernal and try for some cast focus boons or something
Have Chaos and Artemis hook me up
unkempt pagoda
infernal soul always on beowulf, your casts won't lodge anyways so you always get them back as soon as the flares hit
idle oak
what's a good lucifer build?
turbid needle
Is Version 1.35966 the latest version?
charred ruin
Is there any build for shield that does decent damage?
fossil moat
I didn't know if this is old news or anything, but for the ||Beowulf|| aspect, have people been ||spamming cast during the charge so you dont have to prime the casts beforehand||? I find it way more reactive, but I think it's a fairly easy mechanic to spot, so probs others already know
turbid needle
I can beat hade first form but I keep on dying to his spin attack how do I avoid it
fossil moat
the large spin should be spotted very early in the animation if you don't have extra dashes/move speed after dash. If you don't have em, try to dash through himm as fast as possible
turbid needle
What does the whined up look like
fossil moat
a slight white ring around him. btw, are you talking about the second phase after you destry his healthbar once?
gloomy bone
Is Hoarding Slash's bonus damage applied to the base, or applied after all other effects?
And are all multipliers (X%) additive?
fossil moat
except for crit, % damage is addative, based on the base
charred ruin
I can beat hade first form but I keep on dying to his spin attack how do I avoid it
@turbid needle that's how he kills everyone BAM 80 damage
gloomy bone
So, what about bonus damage? Is that added to the base, or after multipliers?
mossy badge
with the shattered shackle (Attack, cast and special do 40% extra damage when not empowered by boon)
is that only referring to the direct ones that slot into the attack/special/cast slots like your "attack now does hangover"
What about chaos ones that are like your attack does more damage?
charred ruin
I didn't know if this is old news or anything, but for the ||Beowulf|| aspect, have people been ||spamming cast during the charge so you dont have to prime the casts beforehand||? I find it way more reactive, but I think it's a fairly easy mechanic to spot, so probs others already know
@fossil moat not very friendly for the default pad layout though
regal edge
@mossy badge Shattered Shackle basically checks to see whether a boon occupies the slot corresponding to Attack/Special/Cast. Chaos Boons do not occupy those slots, so yes, Shackle works with Chaos Boons.
Also surprisingly couldn't figure this out even play-testing...do Hermes 10/20/30% Faster Attack/Special work on the Rail, in the sense of a Faster Attack = lower reload speed? Faster Special = lower downtime on waiting for special to "recharge"?
fossil moat
@gloomy bone Based on the description, I think hoarding slash applies to the base first, but I could be wrong
gloomy bone
Honestly, I'd love actual stats that we could look at that show us how much damage we are doing, and could be doing, instead of having to test it out and look for damage numbers. Damage number previews would be good too, so that we'd know about how much a boon is going to increase damage output
mossy badge
thanks 🙂 curious to try and use it for the first time with || excalibur blade + health regen || considering it's chunky base damage
fossil moat
@regal edge I've used hermes on rail a lot actually, and the reload speed doesn't change, it's only rate of fire. For special, it's flight time
regal edge
Okay, I felt like the reload speed doesn't change but I never bothered to time it so I wasn't sure if I was placebo'ing myself lol
Same thing with the downtime between spamming next special, wasn't sure if that was cut down or of it was just flight time
fossil moat
Ikr, the experience itself just feels quicker somehow, but it's difficult to spot
regal edge
also because you've been using rail recently, what aspect?
i used to be Hestia-only but now I feel like Hestia is a bait at higher heat
also I feel like Daedalus' x3 special + rocket combo is also a bait
turbid needle
@fossil moat in talking about his first phase and second phase like it can't spot when he does the spin attack
regal edge
(x3 special by itself is okay i feel, rocket by itself is okay, but putting them together and you get baited kuz of downtime with the combo for some reason)
fossil moat
||Lucifer ||with triple bomb. It is beautiful
regal edge
huh maybe i'll have to try that aspect out
it felt pretty underhwleming to me
never used the bombs kuz enemies just moved too much
mossy badge
i found just dashing and bomb and littering the battleflied with them helps even if you dont have tripple
regal edge
I've just been picking Eris and then building around my Hammer Upgrades tbh
infinite ammo primary? build a dash/high primary build
rockets/triple/quintuple special? build around that
after dying with Hestia by getting baited into reloading too much for the one-shot pop each time
lusty pilot
Quick question first, how do you put the spoiler grey out over text?
regal edge
two | on each side
fossil moat
@turbid needle My advice is to judge when he does his massive spin (when the slight white ring indicator pops up), to gauge your distance to him. If you are a decent distance away, even with Hades' spin radius and dash toward you, you can get away with dashing twice away. If you are too close, which happens a lot, dash through him twice quickly . Hades' body will always go toward your current position, so you know his trajectory
mossy badge
use 2 pipe character before and after "||"
lusty pilot
👍
hard holly
Ok, the Rail Rocket + Clusterbomb combo is Op
lusty pilot
Is there a list somewhere of the aspect specific daedelus hammer upgrades? Wanted to see what the upgrades were like for || gilgamesh ||
regal edge
Rail Rocket + x5 Blast (is that Cluster?) is super fun
I got that once, and ever since was trying to go for it again but never got it.
fossil moat
Actually havent tried that yet xD
hard holly
I got it a few times
fossil moat
I've just been succed up by ||lucifer||, I havent used base gun in a while
regal edge
Rail Rocket + x3 Blast is what I've gotten a few times but always died with it, that's why I felt it was a bait (downtime is weird, one-after-another means that sometimes enemies dodge the combo)
fossil moat
speaking of, any of you use the base weapons even after aspects are unlocked?
like maxing them out with titan blood
regal edge
@fossil moat I occasionally use Zag Sword
hard holly
Oh and base spear
regal edge
maybe Zag Spear
lusty pilot
Yeah base spear feels good
regal edge
but otherwise Shield is always Chaos, Bow is always Chiron
Fists always Demeter though I might experiment with new Aspect
and because a Daedalus Hammer upgrade could be infinite ammo, I just skip the Base Rail
mossy badge
^^^ new fist aspect is beast!!!
hard holly
For me base bow is just the best one by a wide margin
Though Ive not really tested Rama to its fullest
regal edge
speaking about Rail, I just got Delta Chamber (3 round burst + infinite ammo) + Seeking Fire (attack homes in and does +10% damage) 😄
guess we're primary attack spammers now
hard holly
And shield, I never liked Chaos shield (and dont get why people love it) and Zeus is just janky
regal edge
Need to test last Bow aspect again; Chiron just obliterates
Again, there are some really strong Daedalus Hammer upgrades
+4 Special specifically
or the each Special does stacking bonus damage
lusty pilot
Yeah rama feels waaaaay better now
regal edge
Then pick a +dmg special and you DESTROY things
fossil moat
zues specials?
fossil moat
so many procs
hard holly
If you get Triple Shot
regal edge
yep that works too
hard holly
Youre easily looking at 800+ damage per dash attack
regal edge
Zeus, Demeter if you can get 10 stack clear boon too
maybe a niche Ares stacking Doom
fossil moat
oof
acoustic nova
||Hades' Aid|| is pretty good. I really like it fully charged
fossil moat
maybe i'm just not dude perfect, but I need to use triple shot better to maximize damage
acoustic nova
|| not sure if it's actually worth it losing a trinket slot and a boon slot that can open other boons, but working well so far ||
rose iron
Dang, lost with a REALLY good build going.
Had a great Doom build going on Aspect of Zeus, had the longer delay + stacking on the Special, and support fire on top of that.
hard holly
I admit though, Im not sure spear special is all that good anymore
I had a pretty good explosive launcher run with a big aphrodite special boon, and it still felt kinda eh?
lusty pilot
Spear kinda feels eh in general to me
fossil moat
I've been playing ||Guan Yu|| recently, but I wanted to do crit spins. After all that though it was just a slog. Hardly did the beeeeg dmg that I expected
dry ember
what you mean? https://streamable.com/fdj77r
fossil moat
I mean it's good in small crowded arenas where it procs so many times, but the wider ones like hades and theseus feel more sloggish when trying it.
hard holly
The one issue I have with Guan Yu is the one I have with a lot of spin builds
You kinda need Quick Spin
fossil moat
truuuuu
hard holly
Guan Yu even moreso due to its gimmick
mossy badge
yeah - i saw what it said and immediately maxed it out so expensive but i struggles so much i havent even made it olut yet with guan yu 😦 ^^^
sage solar
@dry ember whats that aspect
fossil moat
@mossy badge when you do, you'll feel like a beast tho trust me
It's the last spear aspect
sage solar
and how do i get it
dry ember
check pins in #h1-story-discussion @sage solar
mossy badge
what builds would you reccomend or is all about hermes attack speed ?
@fossil moat
hard holly
Quick Spin and Aphro or Artemis on attack is what Id say
fossil moat
^ exactly what he said
Having aphro special to engage and debuff from long distance
artemis attack
try to find a good amount of max hp's during run
dry ember
not true. it's the go-to build for uber high heat
so it should work for lower heat also
dry ember
yeah if you check the pins of #h1-high-heat-strategies, there is a compilation of high heat runs and what build was used
GY with Deadly Flourish and Charged Skewer is highest for the aspect at 46 heat.
hard holly
How many bounties do you need to fully unlock all aspects?
chrome geyser
Managed to get a chiron run with aphrodite on attack, dionysus on special, artemis on cast and ares on dash. Also had the duos that made hangover stack more on weak; hangover deals damage faster; each hangover stack gives +1.5 crit chance for everything, crits on weak are stronger. Very strong duo combo with these 4.
unkempt pagoda
more like clarified
apparently the attack speed only ever applied to the first punch
we all had a pretty bad case of the placebo effect
so, besides those few frames, they're mostly exactly the same
fossil moat
Yooooo, ||Beowulf ||with burst shot (artemis/poseidon duo) is pretty damn cool
lusty pilot
Oh how does that combo work?
I don’t know what a lot of the ||beowulf|| duo casts do, haven’t gotten many
I bet the blizzard shot (poseidon/demeter duo) would be really cool
prisma raven
is exagryph kinda bad or am i using it wrong
hallow drum
which aspect would you recommend for first clear? i got titan blood but don't know on which aspect i should use it so i can have easier first clear
prisma raven
i'm not a master at this game but i would guess the best aspect depends on your weapon of choice
worldly trellis
fellas, ice wine is incredible
this is absolutely bonkers
I practically ended up with a ranged build
hallow drum
i can play any weapon but don't know which is gonna be strongest for doing first full clear, any recommendations?
worldly trellis
whatever you're most comfortable with is the usual answer
prisma raven
i don't think there's a clear "strongest" weapon (despite the fact that i was just complaining about exagryph ten seconds ago)
worldly trellis
I'm more comfortable with ranged stuff. Bow, Rail, etc.
prisma raven
i always go for aegis because i like aegis
bright flint
You only have enough blood for unlocking one aspect right?
hallow drum
yeap
mossy badge
yep just keep going, keep experimenting not to mention you will naturally get you stronger over time anyway best of luck!!! @hallow drum 🙂
prisma raven
the beauty of this game is that just about any weapon is a viable option
bright flint
Then I think nemesis just because I feel like other aspects need to invest more blood in order to truly shine
worldly trellis
yea, I mean my least favorite weapon is the fists. I heavily dislike them, but I still feel like I could beat the game with em about as easily as any other weapon.
The balancing is really good.
bright flint
But of course it's just preference and playstyle
prisma raven
i didn't like the fists much at first but they grew on me a little
i still prefer other weapons more tho
also nemesis is neat
i haven't tried out poseidon yet because i felt like how good it is depends on what cast boons you have and i wanted instant gratification
bright flint
I tried cast build and it's super strong
but it's just not as fun as other builds
for me at least
hallow drum
alright so nemesis is one recommendation and what about shield? which aspect you guys recommend?
prisma raven
zeus
brittle wind
which one is better greater reflex or ruthless reflex??
bright flint
I think ruthless reflex is better
mossy badge
greater reflex is easier just spam more dodge but rutheless is good if you time it right
prisma raven
i prefer greater reflex because my playstyle is more aggressive
bright flint
the timing for it is quite forgiving
you can easily get that buff going for you constantly
mossy badge
i don't like having to concentrate on timgng my dodging so greater is my default though if you train yourself to use rutheless it will pay off more unles you have a particularly good dash ablilitty not to mention some boons give you more dashes
unkempt pagoda
greater reflex is just safer 99% of the time
prisma raven
i'm trying to complete a run with all of my opposite mirror talents so i can get the prophecy so i have to get used to ruthless reflex
brittle wind
i see... i usually like greater but trying ruthless for 3 straight run... Now I forgot to dash twice lol
unkempt pagoda
50% dodge doesn't matter if you just i-frame out of the way anyways
prisma raven
yeah. i figured the differences wouldn't be that bad
not being able to heal from darkness is really crippling me tho
and the lack of extra revives is really weird
mossy badge
can you just do a 1 heat run tho? or does it still need to be on a hat level you haven't completed yet?
prisma raven
what do you mean
bright flint
you can complete the prophecies on any heat
mossy badge
ah cool so i might just do a 1 heat just to get it out of the way
prisma raven
i'm on 0 heat
mossy badge
any heat including 0?
prisma raven
the prophecies don't have any heat requirements
unless a prophecy specifically asks you to be on a certain heat but i haven't seen one like that yet
actually there is but it's not tied to the heat level, just the different pacts you choose
oh wait there is that one prophecy you need to be at least heat 8 for
pallid dagger
Mkay, so, going here to describe my problems/suspicions
Back when the bow was way clunkier (i think they buffed it around the Long Winter update? ish) if I committed to using it I'd try to get Flurry Shot, Twin Shot, or both. either one could help the dps and both would make it actually formidable. If I failed to get either, Hermes' Swift Strike could substitute if the rarity is good.
I see these regularly enough on other aspects, but not at all on Rama aspect, which is kind of hamstringing as Rama puts the bow back to being so slow as to be a serious risk.
pallid dagger
Don't touch the blade rifts she creates
Like at all. Take any other damage.
Also, don't let her build her rage meter.
brittle wind
I need to turn off the hell mode ... this mode is kicking my ass bad lol
dry ember
you can't turn off Hell Mode I don' think
onyx parcel
Don't touch the blade rifts she creates
Like at all. Take any other damage.
Also, don't let her build her rage meter.
@pallid dagger how do I not let her build rage
pallid dagger
Just hit her a few times while she's sitting still and powering up, and she'll stop.
sullen valley
It feels good reaching Lernie with half HP and all of my Death Defiances gone
onyx parcel
Shadows or fiery presence?
mossy badge
@onyx parcel depends on the weapon and playstyle
mossy badge
if you can't pull off backstabs and positioning then go for fery first hit
also think if you use fiery you want a big heavy opener
both are viable and experiment
that being said when it comes to a boss backstab is gonna be more useful in the long run
rapid thistle
fiery presence sucks
tranquil knot
keep making builds to fight the Secret Boss ||Charon|| with but the opportunity to fight them never comes up so I just end up steamrolling through to the final boss >:[
The ||Boatman|| Must DIE!!!
mossy badge
hmm what kind of builds?
rapid thistle
any build in asph or elysium is probably gonna be fine
tranquil knot
Yeah I'm trying to bring Aegis to give myself the space to study his phases and attacks and stuff
mossy badge
ahhh ye makes sense
tranquil knot
I can't test how viable they are cuz he won't spawn the freaking trigger whenever I come through but I roll through the rest of the run consistently enough on the low heat levels I'm working through
Just accidentally advancing a major plot thread instead Whoopsie Daisie
sullen valley
Oh I’m using the newest aspect
And I’m on heat level...12 or 13
Giggles I’m in danger
magic dagger
you can't turn off Hell Mode I don' think
Here is a simple and convenient guide to turn off Hell Mode! in two (that's right, only 2!) easy steps
First! go to the main menu and delete your save.
Then, uncheck the hellmode box and click on the profile again.
Congratulations! you have created a new savefile in the same slot, this time without Hellmode.
@brittle wind
unfortunately, that's the only way to do it
dry ember
instruction unclear. cleared 63 heat in the process
turbid needle
How do I get excaliber
barren otter
pinned message in #h1-story-discussion tells you how to unlock it
mossy badge
max sword aspect 1 out
turbid needle
@mossy badge I max aspect 2
mossy badge
i think you also have to get 1 in each of the other aspects
brittle wind
Privilege status (Each rank gives you +20% damage vs. foes afflicted by at least two Status Curse effects) or Family Favorite (Each rank gives you +2.5% damage for each different Olympian whose Boons you have) which one's better??
mossy badge
@brittle wind I prefer family favourite because getting multiple different gods is easy and i do without thinkning whereas having to stack status effects is something you have to be concious of
brittle wind
It's different gods right? If I got 2 zeus it only counts as 1??
barren otter
yeah, only each different god counts towards the bonus
tranquil knot
Hestia's fun
I find myself preferring Zagreus aspect Exagryph actually, but Hestia aspect is a good time, you can load a lot of damage into the opening shot
covert hatch
I also already have Fiery Presence at max, so Hestia it is lol
tranquil knot
I think it works better if you also beef up the special so you can wombo combo the sniper shot with your bombard and your cast
So you have like a triple burst
covert hatch
I assume Aphrodite for attack?
tranquil knot
Mmmmmmmmmmmm
covert hatch
I wonder how well it works with that shotgun hammer
tranquil knot
Aphrodite can work sure but I usually don't have heartbreak strike when I run Hestia
magic dagger
it's all right; spreadfire just means that all the shots after your first one are worth something
but you don't get empowered spreadfire blasts
rose iron
Huh, I'm unsure if this is a bug or not, but it seems like it...
covert hatch
Well I've almost got Rose at 3, so we'll see how it shakes out
rose iron
So I'm testing the rail on Skelly right now, and I noticed something. I do 90 damage when he's at full health (I have fiery presence, 100% more damage to full health enemies).
If I put a Boiling Blood on him (50% extra damage), my rail does 90 damage on the Special still.
Normally it's doing 60 base. By the logic/math of Fiery Presence, shouldn't a Special on the Rail do 120 to a full health target?
magic dagger
I'm fairly certain boiling blood is only 50%
covert hatch
Woof
sullen valley
@tranquil knot ever tried Hestia with Artemis and the Butterfly?
covert hatch
Flurry Fire, Hazard Bomb, or Spread Shot
rose iron
Lysol, read the whole thing.
covert hatch
I do not know which to take
tranquil knot
Don't think I've had that combo yet
rose iron
I'm getting the same damage off a full health hit and a Boiling Blood hit.
rose iron
Nah, it says 100% for me.
sullen valley
It’s pretty nice
Just melt your enemies by the point you get that Piercing Hammer
tranquil knot
Oof, I'd pick hazard bomb personally because I'm a nutcase and I like pairing Hestia shot with a high damage special
covert hatch
I also have not picked that one yet
barren otter
if you shoot a cast into Skelly first, he would no longer be considered as undamaged.
tranquil knot
Plus you should be positioned out of the blast radius often enough anyway
rose iron
I'm not doing that, Den.
covert hatch
And it feels like a better pair for Hestia than Flurry
rose iron
I'm opening with an attack, then seeing what a Boiling Blood hit does after.
It's happening with other weapons too. I don't think Fiery Presence is giving the full 100%
barren otter
yeah, fiery presence is weird, it's supposedly got a buff, but it seems to be the same as it was before the update (+50% to undamaged foes).
rose iron
Yeah, that's what it appears to be despite the mirror saying otherwise.
onyx parcel
Guys
How do I deal with the biome 1 mini boss with the crystal summoning and purple lasers
Also how do I deal with biome 2 witches
sullen valley
I just attack everything until it dies
while focusing the one thing keeping me there
sullen valley
They can be annoying though
rose iron
Yeah, I always go straight for the Doomstone.
Killing the adds doesn't really help much.
onyx parcel
How do I avoid damage
sullen valley
onyx parcel
I usually waste like 30 health in that mini boss
They shoot lasers
Across the whole room
onyx parcel
But I’m using fist
rose iron
The lasers still have blindspots.
tranquil knot
Witches circle is usually not quite as scary as the screen full of bullets may lead you to believe
rose iron
For Witches: Your attacks can destroy bullets.
tranquil knot
They fire their shots in fixed patterns that you can kinda dance around otherwise
rose iron
And if you have Divine Dash from Athena, you can just send the bullets BACK at them
Witches with Divine Dash is just hilarity because the fight literally becomes "Stop hitting yourself!"
tranquil knot
The key is to move smarter, not to dodge for the sake of dodging
There are pillars and stuff you can take cover behind I think, so you can think about how you're gonna move
rose iron
Also, man, I gave Theseus such a beatdown last run, felt good. ❤️
I had a full meter and Ares w/consecutive blade rift bonus. The moment Theseus entered phase 2? I won.
All I had to do was sit under him in blade form and watch him die. ❤️
tranquil knot
I love using Aphrodite greater call as an "I Win" button
Add Boiling Blood and Privileged Status buffs for added hilarity
sullen valley
L Special makes me feel like that one LazyPurple video with Theseus
Deploys 4 stickybombs, detonates then all
red hound
anyone knows how good the new fists are compared to zag and demeter fists?
rose iron
They're very risk vs reward, from what I've seen.
Because the gimmick is you make your target take more damage in exchange for them DEALING more damage.
They take 25% more, but deal out 50% more too.
So...Good if you aren't getting hit.
Also, am I the only one who can't stop using ||Pom Blossom|| for the keepsake slot after getting it? The bonus ||Random boon level up every 4 fights|| is just...Too good.
I haven't switched off the dang thing since I got it.
Wondering if I'm alone in that or what.
covert hatch
So Ricochet Shot and Hestia: does that work how I think?
rose iron
I mean, it's a bonus to the first shot, right? So I'd assume that bonus applies to every target it hits.
Which would be pretty awesome.
covert hatch
Also like, Delta Chamber just flat up turns off your ability to reload right
rose iron
Correct.
turbid needle
No, Hestia can always reload.
rose iron
Oh, it can? Neat.