this is a hard choice
#h1-builds-and-combat
hardy dragon
dry ember
quick spin if I were you
hardy dragon
ok thats what i was leaning towards given the punishing sweep mechanic
i wonder if artemis/dio boon would work?
dry ember
yeah that works. my only concern is how are you going to apply the hangover
hardy dragon
alrighty just got rare hunter dash
dry ember
yeah spam dash strike a lot
hardy dragon
im not very good at details and im still learning the more advanced stuff like this
should i go for this ares room? only way forward
ive got 5 fated authority
sullen valley
...Say, about build-up damage like Doom and another Aspect. Is it's damage is affected by any damage modifiers when you apply the effect, or when Zagreus himself has modifier?
hardy dragon
sorry for asking so many questions @dry ember
dry ember
i'll just bite and grab something like flood shot
hardy dragon
ye or the one that gives treasure
dry ember
yeah that too
hardy dragon
yea im not building for poseidon atm
sullen valley
The extra gems and obol are nice
hardy dragon
Nautor do you know any good poseidon sword builds? I've never tried a casting build im going to do that next run
sullen valley
Poseidon Sword and Poseidon/Ares duo
Either that, or Poseidon Sword or just Poseidon's Cast
dry ember
Lightning Phalanx is a really good one on Poseidon Sword
hardy dragon
is it ok if i ask you guys some questions during this run?
sullen valley
Any Cast you have confidence in dealing lotsa damage in
Sure I guess!
hardy dragon
trying to decide between tempest flourish and oceans bounty
btw i called oceans bounty lol
dry ember
ocean bounty
dry ember
Hades Spear I think
hardy dragon
so im in a shop and i cant decide between hermes and aphrodite boons, im thinkinh hermes
sullen valley
What's your area rn?
hardy dragon
tartarus
sullen valley
Eh, Aphrodite
hardy dragon
just past midboss a couple rooms ago
hardy dragon
heat 1 with the spear
dry ember
aphrodite for attack boon I think
sullen valley
Damage and/or Damage Reduction is always good
hardy dragon
lame no heartbreak strike
sullen valley
oof
dry ember
oof
dry ember
wave of despair I guess
hardy dragon
hmm im taking a lot of hits so ill get revenge
sullen valley
Fair that
hardy dragon
i wonder if ill ever get those boxes on the bottom of the case opened
sullen valley
covert hatch
Ok gotta ask, am I missing something spectacular about Heartbreak Strike?
sullen valley
Damage
hushed ledge
Damage
dry ember
it's the biggest + damage %
covert hatch
Is it a higher damage increase than the other ones?
sullen valley
On par with Poseidon and Demeter I believe
covert hatch
Ok cool, I wasn't sure if it was like
dry ember
no aphrodite is the biggest damage steroid I think
covert hatch
Weak is actually stupid good in some other way or something
hardy dragon
alrighty time for extreme measures furies which is my only PoP modifier this run
hushed ledge
EM1 is great
sullen valley
Just one thing that reduces damage is ok. A bunch of effects that reduces damage is p nice
hardy dragon
she almost said zagreus
ok so what keepsake do you think now that im on to asphodel
sullen valley
Which one did you used to have?
hardy dragon
artemis
sullen valley
Hm...and what're the current gods that you have?
dry ember
Aphrodite/Demeter for attack?
looking for Deadly Strike means another Artemis which might be hard
sullen valley
I'm leaning toward Aphrodite/Demeter too
hardy dragon
artemis, aphro, and poseidon with oceans bounty
thats what i have atm
yea im wondering which of the two
dry ember
aphrodite it is then
hardy dragon
hmmm
dry ember
lets break some hearts
hardy dragon
ye i already have aphrodite so might as well pick her
dry ember
wait do you have fam fav?
hardy dragon
uh idk
sullen valley
A mirror talent
hardy dragon
whatever is the first option
hardy dragon
yup i picked her
phew i got an extra dash
even one more means i can get out of that damned hades spin attack
dry ember
nice! moar dash strike spam
hardy dragon
that too
shut gate
Man I wanna make a build that inflicts as many status effects as possible. The most I've gotten so far is fog poison chill and weak. Gotta bump those rookie numbers up 👀
hardy dragon
so addled ambush, atrophic flourish, or flayed grasp?
number 2 is rare others are common
dry ember
which one is grasp?
hardy dragon
extra stone
dry ember
is that +1 cast?
hardy dragon
ye
dry ember
and addled is?
shut gate
Ambush is backstab right?
dry ember
yeah
hardy dragon
backstab
dry ember
i would go back stab
hardy dragon
flourish is special
dry ember
but make sure the downside is not -4 every time you attack xD
hardy dragon
its the easiest curse, dmg from casting and im not casting a lot anyway
dry ember
uh then no brainer pick 😄
cunning urchin
@raw violet Demeter Aspect didn't do that in Blood Price, either.
hardy dragon
nooo i hate the blue skeletons
okie so got aphrodite
heartbreak strike, crush shot, dying lament
im thinking heartbreak strike
dry ember
that's what we came for
hardy dragon
yessir
dry ember
that will be what we leave with
hardy dragon
lets break some hearts
annnnd my game crashed
wonderful
well at least i can put this blood into hades aspect
shut gate
Praise be to autosaves
dry ember
Forced autosave in fact
hardy dragon
idk what happened but it didnt
hardy dragon
anyway i have epic caustic ambush, or slothful lunge which is rare
dry ember
well I hope you get to the beauty that is Hades Spear with Serrated Point and Hunter Dash
hardy dragon
since dash strike is what i was building for im leaning towards lunge
dry ember
yee
hardy dragon
but 122% backstab dmg is REALLY good
dry ember
as long as the downside is not crippling
sullen valley
The sword's "dash strikes hit's twice" thing doesn't slow you down when hitting a foe, at least to my memory
Does Serrated Point no longer slow you down?
The only reason why I stopped taking it was because of that part
dry ember
your dash distance is shortened
hardy dragon
the downside for the dash strike chaos boon is -57% move speed
dry ember
oh you talking hit pause
hardy dragon
versus the backstab one which is easy slain enemies toss a bomb at you
sullen valley
Yep
shut gate
You get used to it
dry ember
they are both good.
sullen valley
bluhhhhhhhhhh
hardy dragon
wow thats slow now
sullen valley
Dude imagine having 1% movement speed
sullen valley
No like, in a previous update I took two Chaos Boons whose curses both inhibited my speed
shut gate
Bro why
sullen valley
One was like a ~40% and the other was a ~50%
hardy dragon
deadly strike rare versus hunter dash common
sullen valley
pretty sure I have a screenshot of it saved SOMEwhere...
dry ember
I would still take hunter dash tbh
shut gate
Strike is attack right?
hardy dragon
ye
sullen valley
also the boons gave me more damage D= (or something)
dry ember
although that is kinda banking on serrated point
shut gate
Dash
hardy dragon
k
hardy dragon
another artemis
deadly strike, deadly flourish, or true shot
all rare
so good choices all around but I like the idea of heartbreak strike
in asphodel so maybe deadly flourish?
dry ember
up to you
hardy dragon
uhhhhhhhhhh
i took deadly flourish
btw i do appreciate the advice
WHOAH
this dash strike is amazing
dry ember
I might need to go to bed soon but here is a sneak peek of one of my favorite run https://streamable.com/usalr6
sullen valley
Dude I found the old conversation of me making good gambling decisions
hardy dragon
nice ill definitely watch it
sullen valley
"'ooh look a chaos gate' puts my health bar down to like...4, maybe
"I am
"the CEO of good gambling decisions
"'Ah, yes, another chaos gate.'"
dry ember
lul
sullen valley
It gets better (gonna do a flashback for a second)
"I think reducing my HP to 14 via a Chaos Curse was not the greatest idea
"Actually, even better idea,
"bringing myself to 1 HP with 14 maximum."
"You've got this, just uh. Wait it out
"And be really careful"
"Hoh thank god I got some Darkness, I have 19 HP now
"I really got punked by a laser"
And now for the crowning reveal
"...so uhm"
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1013813783266748076/7A9CBE2CC9FA65E20F25BDF5389BCD7FB2F488C4/
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1013813783266748848/8389C9E5F2753F33B48B985CC0F8F5F1C1C450E5/
dry ember
it stresses me out to see that many green talents
sullen valley
"I am so slow."
"How slow are you feeling, friend"
"1% speed
"1 dash
"archer"
"it's ok I'm only just in asphodel"
(A bunch of time after)
"I once got two Curses of Chaos that gave me ~~50% movespeed. Do % stuffs multiply by each other?"
"no"
"Only Crits."
"Oh, so I did have 1% movespeed.
"Awesome."
And that's a wrap
hardy dragon
lmao
alrighty im past midboss on asphodel and i got heartbreak strike and greatest reflex
sometimes I miss the regular dash
but stubborn dash is just so much better
dry ember
stubborn dash?
sullen valley
The Ruthless Reflex I think
sullen valley
Dude at least you never brought yourself to like 1 HP and then gave yourself 1% speed
hardy dragon
wait you were at 1hp as well?
sullen valley
I don't remember if I did
I could look through the records to see if I made it happen
hardy dragon
hmm should i go to the shop or should i go for another aphrodite boon?
ive got 497 obol atm
sullen valley
Hm, area?
sullen valley
I'd go shop
sage solar
well i saved my gold once and tried to get the attack bonus
ended up having like 1400
hardy dragon
LOL
it has an aphrodite boon
you have to beat the game first
although you can spend that 1 blood from the furies on a single upgrade
each weapon has different 'aspects' which have different abilities
you have to pay keys to unlock them
hades is the third aspect of the spear
save your blood for now
figure out which weapons you really like
each infernal arm has four aspects, and for at least the first three you need 10 blood to fully upgrade just one aspect. So you'll need a LOT of titan blood
Piorda you think I should buy this aphrodite boon in the shop?
sullen valley
Ohp
sorry here
UhhhhObol?
and uh, did you buy out every other item or just wanting Aphro?
sullen valley
Oh neat
sullen valley
Wait, the heck does "for sale" mean?
hardy dragon
it was in the shop
sullen valley
Oh wait, bag thing?
oh no wait you mean
ah nvm
I guess you can get aphro, you're not saving for anything, are you?
hardy dragon
the choice was between a room with aphrodite reward, or a room with a shop, it turned out one of the items the shop was selling was an aphrodite boon
sullen valley
Neat!
sullen valley
oo
dry ember
Did they?
rare kayak
swear to god it wasnt this short
hardy dragon
is that for bow?
rare kayak
yea
dry ember
Looks normal to me
hardy dragon
bc yea i noticed that seemed quite short
btw fox what keepsake do you think i should go with now that I have the boons that we were looking for?
dry ember
Acorn
rare kayak
acorn
hardy dragon
heh ive never actually used the acorn
dry ember
I usually just go acorn from Elysium to the end
hardy dragon
i REALLY hate theseus
dry ember
Ohh you are missing out
hardy dragon
its one of the few keepsakes i havent leveled
hardy dragon
i looked at it and was like meh its only a few hits
wouldnt the patroclus spearpoint be better?
sullen valley
I only use the Acorn for [REDACTED], initially
dry ember
No, not really
I mean you don't need Acorn for heroes, but usually at that point there is nothing else to take, maybe except purse
I just get Acorn for extra safety
hardy dragon
ye i was curious about comparing the two of them for defensive purposes. Iirc patroclus used to be decent but i do need to level up the acorn anyway
sullen valley
UhhhhI take a third god thing
sullen valley
bweh
hardy dragon
HADES
dreamy marsh
how is that even a spoiler tho
dry ember
Yknow, I ask the same question sometimes, but rules are rules, don't speak his name in non spoiler channels
This channel is a-ok
hardy dragon
ik i just found it amusing to say
ok so room choices for elysium first rooms are a pom or more obol
ive got about 300 obol atm
sullen valley
Gonna escape Hades to break out of Hades in the video game Hades to fight...
hardy dragon
^this
cunning urchin
Acorn, Coin Purse, Hourglass, god keepsake are all good options in Elysium depending on pacts etc.
cunning urchin
Getting a certain Duo can sometimes be more important than tanking hits from the boss with Acorn, and a god keepsake increases your chances for that quite a bit.
surreal oracle
Yep!
cunning urchin
I never take anything but Acorn into the Temple of Styx on high heat, though.
dry ember
I mean there are times I take Acorn at Asphodel onward just 'cause
sullen valley
oof
dry ember
Acorn is nice.
cunning urchin
Yeah, Acorn in Asphodel is a good option.
cunning urchin
Acorn gives you more survivability, generally.
dry ember
Unless butterfly ball then lol
surreal oracle
butterfly ball.
hardy dragon
so heres the choices for my second hammer
unkempt pagoda
unless double doomstone 
hardy dragon
breaching skewer, charged skewer, extending jab
surreal oracle
hm
dry ember
Terrible hammer
hardy dragon
ye
unkempt pagoda
what’s your first
cunning urchin
Charged Skewer every time.
surreal oracle
not good choices, yikes
unkempt pagoda
extended jab isn’t terrible for an attack build
dry ember
Charged Skewer every time.
He's doing attack build with Hunter Dash
unkempt pagoda
oh
dry ember
Charged Skewer might be too late.
unkempt pagoda
does extended apply to dash attack? who knows
dry ember
For science?
cunning urchin
It doesn't.
hardy dragon
well i cannot decide
unkempt pagoda
for science, do extended jab and report back
dry ember
I mean i would still take it
unkempt pagoda
worse thing that happens is that you go back to relying on quick spin, which can already win a run so
cunning urchin
dry ember
The other ones in this situation are lol
cunning urchin
I don't really get why anything but Charged Skewer is even under consideration.
unkempt pagoda
charged skewer on anything except guan yu
cunning urchin
Is fine.
dry ember
Because no one uses special if you don't build for it?
hardy dragon
actually i have artemis special
cunning urchin
3x multiplicative damage.
dry ember
Bruh
cunning urchin
Yeah, so just pick Charged Skewer. It's not rocket science.
hardy dragon
i know nothing about the spear
unkempt pagoda
bruh
hardy dragon
so this is melting my brain
dry ember
xD
unkempt pagoda
dry ember
Alright you can pivot to Charged Skewer
unkempt pagoda
go ahead and get charged then lmao
dry ember
That Deadly Flourish changes everything
cunning urchin
You can always pivot to that.
unkempt pagoda
hunter dash was kinda useless with quick spin anyways so
cunning urchin
All you need for a special build is Charged Skewer and some +% Flourish. It's not hard to pick up a Flourish somewhere on the way.
surreal oracle
Where are you at?
hardy dragon
couple rooms into elysium
surreal oracle
Hmmmm...
cunning urchin
Most +% damage is additive, but "Charged" hammers are multiplicative. So with a good +% boon, you get a ton of damage.
cunning urchin
Yeah, but Serrated Point wasn't offered.
surreal oracle
I'd go for Demeter? You do have quite a bit of health
dry ember
Well yeah but we didn't know he has Deadly Flourish
hardy dragon
ok i can always get another centaur heart in styx
cunning urchin
Take the HP.
hardy dragon
or not
surreal oracle
Or not indeed
unkempt pagoda
(but not the centuar’s)
hardy dragon
um im getting more boons i like moar boons
dry ember
Nourished Soul for healing ain't bad
hardy dragon
i REALLY love the one from dio that gives max hp at all fountains
dry ember
You mean Strong Drink which gives more damage at fountain?
cunning urchin
200 HP is kinda low if you don't have a lot of experience, anyway. Better to aim for 250+.
dry ember
Or Premium Vintage which gives max HP for booze?
surreal oracle
Strong Drink fills the bar completely at every fountain, with some extra added damage bonus
hardy dragon
ok so choices
cunning urchin
I always play with LC4 on, so I forget about healing stuff sometimes lol.
hardy dragon
crystal beam common, snow burst epic, rare crop rare (lol)
dry ember
Rare crop
surreal oracle
rare crop.
dry ember
Because
surreal oracle
Styx's chambers will get you to heroic real quick
hardy dragon
okie doke i was probably going to get that
dry ember
It's a rare Rare Crop no less
cunning urchin
See, that's why you shoulda got the Centaur Heart. Those options kinda suck. 👀
dry ember
Be nice.
cunning urchin
Be ice.*
surreal oracle
Chill out
cunning urchin
Stay cool. 😎
hardy dragon
so zeus, or artemis are the next choices
cunning urchin
Lady Artemis.
dry ember
Artemis
hardy dragon
or i could reroll the rooms
dry ember
Reroll Zeus
surreal oracle
Artemis
hardy dragon
i have two fated authority
dry ember
Eh just do Arte
cunning urchin
Why reroll? Lady Artemis is what they want anyway.
surreal oracle
why is it that I can never get cast boons when I'm trying for cast based builds
cunning urchin
Because you spelled cast-based builds without a hyphen.
dry ember
Because you don't take Fated Persuasion
cunning urchin
I mean, I don't know if it's because of that. But you can't prove it isn't.
surreal oracle
😩
hardy dragon
true shot, hide breaker, pressure points are the options
cunning urchin
The best thing about Persuasion is that you don't need to learn the weird ways in which Authority works.
Hide Breaker.
dry ember
Either Hide Breaker or PP
hardy dragon
ill do hide breaker pp only gives 3% anyway
cunning urchin
+3% crit chance from Pressure Points is essentially +6% damage.
hardy dragon
what should i get from patroclus
i have pretty low hp atm
but three death defiance left
cunning urchin
Healing then.
dry ember
Then the logical choice
hardy dragon
k
cunning urchin
He might tell you if you ask.
hardy dragon
have i ever mentioned I despise shielded enemies
dreamy marsh
are calls important
cunning urchin
Probably, and yes, calls are important.
surreal oracle
Yep
hardy dragon
crush shot, dying lament, or broken resolve?
dreamy marsh
i hate how their bar doesnt carry between rooms
dry ember
They are nice to have. I don't actively look for calls thou
surreal oracle
Ye
cunning urchin
Dying Lament.
dry ember
Maybe except for Athena
cunning urchin
I aim for Smoldering Air in like 90% of my runs. So I always have a call.
Except at very high heats where I don't get as much choice due to various pacts.
rose iron
I have to say, I'm really liking Chiron builds.
cunning urchin
@dry ember you should try Eris + Smoldering Air + Poseidon's Aid. It's pretty broken.
hardy dragon
true shot, hunters mark, or clean kill?
rose iron
I had one earlier with lightning on the secondary, and man, does that add some damage when every arrow hits the same target.
dry ember
Clean Kill
surreal oracle
Hm
rose iron
I wonder how good Artemis is on secondary fire.
cunning urchin
I like Hunter's Mark more than Clean Kill tbh. But they're both fine.
dry ember
Secondary Fire is special right?
rose iron
Yeah, special. I'm used to calling them primary and secondary for some reason.
I'm a little sad Support Fire + Special doesn't synergize as well as I'd hoped.
dry ember
It's OK. I like putting Tempest Flourish on Chiron
rose iron
That's Poseidon, right?
dry ember
Yeah
rose iron
So knockback?
dry ember
Yup
cunning urchin
I haven't played Coronacht yet in 1.0.
dry ember
Bow got some love
rose iron
I found hangover's not bad either.
cunning urchin
Yeah, I've only done 3 runs since, I think.
surreal oracle
I've only used Rama so far after I awakened it
rose iron
I don't have any of the hidden aspects yet.
dry ember
Your Maxie got some substantial buff
rose iron
The one for shield looks really fun though.
rose iron
Shield is my favorite weapon, but bow is up there in Chiron form now.
surreal oracle
It's one of my fav stories so I was drawn to it immediately to smack the Wretches over the heads
rose iron
Seeing how many wins I've gotten with it
cunning urchin
4 runs, actually. Casual 32 with Malphon to test out TD3 with JS3 and CP2 for high heat, 1 run with Eris, and a couple with Guan Yu. Because I still need bounties with those two weapons.
hardy dragon
time to whoop some heroes
surreal oracle
Most of my runs were Stygius
cunning urchin
Beowulf is easily one of the most powerful aspects in the game. Possibly #1.
dry ember
Charged Flight down to 200%
small stirrup
I agree
cunning urchin
Well, personally I think it's the strongest. That's why it's what I use for 50+.
surreal oracle
I was SO sad that I never didn't get an early cast boon for Beowulf
cunning urchin
Hm? There was nothing about a Charged Flight nerf in the patch notes.
dry ember
You can check. I might be mistaken.
cunning urchin
I have a Charged Flight seed in save slot 2. I'll check real quick.
Ah, actually I replaced it with a practice file some time ago lol.
dry ember
xD
hardy dragon
broken resolve or empty inside?
cunning urchin
Or?
livid dew
any good or fun builds for railgun. yall like i have every gun at max level just cant figure out anything fun besides zeus. doing 17 to 20 heat atm . last weapon i have that i can get ambrosia and diamond with.
dry ember
Empty Inside
hardy dragon
crush shot sry
crush shot is the other option
i will say i do not have any cast yet
dreamy marsh
wait
hardy dragon
ummm broken resolve id say since i have weak on my attack keeping it up isnt that difficult
dreamy marsh
rocket bomb doesnt have self dmg?
dreamy marsh
pog
hardy condor
@livid dew might be too late, but i always just go for artemis attack boon, athena dash boon And then just the hammer upgrade to get piercing bullet or seeking bullet... used that method for heat 1-20 on hestia pretty much and only failed maybe 5 runs
hardy condor
On the other hand if you dont like artemis attack, i also enjoyed aphrodite attack boon because of the debuff on hit
Yea mine is just boring but successful :p
livid dew
yeah aphro or atremtis is lowkey hard to fail with
dry ember
Yeah you need to be close range to enjoy Eris special buff with Rocket Bomb
livid dew
especially cause aphro legendary or call stun locks the final boss really easy
hardy dragon
the 500 obol boon is hermes, the 450 is artemis, and the 150 obol one is dionysius
which one should i buy?
dry ember
Which in turn synergies well with Curse of Drowning
livid dew
so do you recommend the shotgun hammer boon foxhope with eris
hardy condor
Hermes why not for end figt
dry ember
If you have Rocket Bomb, the spread special is really nice
But Spreadfire isn't bad either
livid dew
ah i see
dry ember
Make sure you find a spot for doom
hardy condor
Is bow builds only frustrating to me because i try to sprint thru every room ? If i dont finish the run in under 20mins im annoyed... when i see screenshots of bow build victories they’re usually 25-35min completions
hardy dragon
what do you guys think?
dry ember
Depends on what heat you are running
cunning urchin
@hardy dragon Lady Artemis.
hardy condor
They seem extrememelu slow unless you pickup a hammer boon which lets you shoot without charging i think
cunning urchin
Or Lord Hermes if you don't have extra dashes yet.
hardy dragon
tyvm! @cunning urchin I have 1 extra dash. Btw I am very grateful for the suggestions youve offered
hardy condor
If youre not good at dodging attacks hermes prolly best, ded
livid dew
arti with rama bow is pretty fun
livid dew
cause you crit on the attack and then that high damage gets spread to so much stuff
hardy dragon
got some good choices
cunning urchin
I think all my bow runs were sub 20 min before v1.0, so it should be faster now if it was buffed quite a bit.
hardy condor
Oka oka ill try it out, bow im only up to heat 3 or 4
dry ember
Dash strike then dash strike some more
cunning urchin
Err . . . Clean Kill.
hardy condor
ALSO, arthur sword or nemesis sword for heat 18-20 ?
dry ember
Either
hardy dragon
clean kill will increase the crits from dash strike but i wont have any cast boons but that doesn seem as important
hardy condor
Okay, been using arthur from 1-18 but having some struggles now, probly bad pact choices
hardy dragon
so i can buy either a pom or the 150 obol dio boon
surreal oracle
Hmmmm.
cunning urchin
Crits from your Special.
hardy condor
Always pom over dionysis IMO 😔
dry ember
Do you have call?
surreal oracle
Divine Strike or Athena's Aid?
dry ember
Dio call is nice
hardy dragon
no i have dio calls
surreal oracle
Both are Rare.
cunning urchin
@surreal oracle what aspect?
surreal oracle
Hades Spear.
dry ember
Then pom @hardy dragon
cunning urchin
Divine Strike.
hardy dragon
okie doke
hardy dragon
ITS TIME LADS
second ever hades fight after 1.0 launch
wait actually its my third i was destroyed by him one time lol
cunning urchin
We have no recollection of you ever getting destroyed by him. This is your second Hades fight in 1.0. Carry on, soldier.
small stirrup
and again
cunning urchin
and again
dry ember
and again
small stirrup
and again
reef galleon
Thank you so much for telegraphing the bull's whirlwind attack. Makes the fight feel much more fair.
@small stirrup from #hades-feedback you mean his crazy two-hour EM3 spin?
hardy dragon
got my first companion!
barren otter
I think that's the earliest legendary I ever got (not counting the scripted Huge Catch of course) https://imgur.com/tOY78c8
hardy dragon
ah I have gods legacy thats the mirror one I have atm
alrighty im done for now. Thanks so very much for all the advice everybody and I'm glad to have met you all 
I'll definitely be around more tomorrow! have a good one!
cunning urchin
Take care!
rare kayak
man i have not had splitting bolt in a long time
despite going for it like 60% of my runs
small stirrup
@small stirrup from #hades-feedback you mean his crazy two-hour EM3 spin?
@reef galleon Lol yes
It isn't that long and when he does it you can always just switch to Theseus if he is still alive. The length of the spin never bothered me that much even with TD, I used to just get pissed off with how randomly he used to spin and you'd have literally almost no way of telling when he'd do it
reef galleon
I asked because the telegraph for this particular attack always seemed obvious to me and instead I always struggled with his unpredictable behaviour up close or when he starts his jump-attack off-screen
small stirrup
That's fair
turbid needle
How do I not get overdose in poison in act 4
terse arrow
Remember the general positions of cure fountains if you can't dodge the poison hits
turbid needle
I get douse in poison in mid combat tho
reef galleon
I don't think it's possible not to get poisoned, honestly. You can kinda skew your build towards making some space between you and the poison rats or satyrs with Poseidon boons or ranged weapons, but if you don't eliminate them in time chances are you'll just have to endure.
terse arrow
You can try dashing out to the fountains, if you're fast enough you can just loose a few hp
Athena dash really helps since you can deflect the satyrs
turbid needle
I saw no fountains in battle in the rooms
terse arrow
There should be some, the weird things that look like wood with yellow stuff
They are generally in corners or right in the middle of the big rooms
cunning urchin
Have a high DPS build so that you can clear rooms quickly. Don't dash recklessly so that you can dash when you need to. Keep an eye on Satyrs especially, and learn their attack windup.
gilded jetty
(weapons able to go ranged FTW there)
cunning urchin
You can pause when you get poisoned to think about your next move or to find the curing pools quickly.
Lastly, just have a good amount of HP. 250+ is a good number.
It's definitely possible to clear the Temple of Styx without taking any damage at all.
iron shale
so for like 10-15 heat what are your peoples go to pacts of punishment ?
cunning urchin
My default is LC4 FO2 TD3.
tender hull
does anyome have advice for ||charon's|| mini boss fight im having a difficult time avoiding some of his attacks
regal edge
Get used to putting on Extreme Measures 3 and Tight Deadline 2 for every single run. Afterwards, it becomes the "new normal" and basically free Heat. Then I toss in Middle Management (also ends up being the "new normal"), and depending on how many extra heat I need, I turn on some combination of Underworld Customs, Benefits Package 1, Forced Overtime 1, Routine Inspection 1, and then maybe Hard Labor 1/Lasting Consequences 1/Convenience Fee 1, if I'm off by 1 heat.
reef galleon
Extreme Measures +3
Middle Management max
Benefits Package max
Damage Control +1\2
Calisthenics Program +1
Jury Summons +1\2
cunning urchin
EM3 is hard. EM2 is fine, though.
tacit dirge
which weapons work well with poseidon?
cunning urchin
BP2 is unnecessarily hard at 10–15 heat. No need to put even a single point in that.
reef galleon
Idk, I just look at other options and think I'd rather have that than, say, high prices or increased enemy damage, health or speed
the latter seem tedious to deal with
Basically just trying to have fun while I can
hearty elbow
BP2 probably results in more deaths for me than literally any other pact
But yeah, fun is a relative metric. BP2 is a lot more fun than CF2, though I would argue that CF2 is probably up there for easiest pacts
reef galleon
Too bad there's no damage bonus for how poor you are
hearty elbow
Eh, if anything, CF2 and UC teach you the valuable lesson that you don't need that many boons. The vast majority are "nice to have"
Eris buff seems kinda nice.
hearty elbow
I'm not sure how I never did Aphro Aid with Smoldering Air until now but that was kinda dumb
reef galleon
you don't need boons
cunning urchin
It's great lol.
Eris + Smoldering Air + Poseidon's Aid is pretty broken.
Free 3k damage nuke every 5 seconds.
hearty elbow
The ability to "nope" any boss attack every 4-5 seconds is pretty silly.
plus getting the 2ish seconds of free damage or whatever
sage solar
best traits from mirror ?
sage solar
i dont like stubborn defiance
hearty elbow
Either defiance, really. Stubborn is conditionally more powerful.
spark lotus
Fated persuasion
hearty elbow
But the sheer health multipliers make both the best mirror buffs. Weirdly, you don't NEED Fated Persuasion to benefit from it lol. Keys let you get charges even with RI1
cunning urchin
Stubborn Defiance circumvents LC4, and you can get free DDs from Lady Athena with it. It's the default at high heat because of that.
sage solar
what about the items i get from gifts, also is there any benefits of me giving more gifts to one guy
regal edge
Wait, if you have Stubborn Defiance and then get Athena's "Your Death Defiance invul lasts longer, replenish 1 usage of Death Defiance", it just GIVES you an extra "normal" Death Defiance?
@cunning urchin
hearty elbow
I like to "rush" Sisyphus in new games
Only if it's missing @regal edge. So if you have an empty circle, then yes
cunning urchin
@regal edge only if you've lost your Stubborn Defiance in that chamber first.
regal edge
Why would you take that then? Doesn't Stubborn Defiance auto-regenerate per new chamber?
regal edge
Oh, so it goes: (lose life) - clear room - athena gives you 1 Death Defiance (a normal 50% usage one) - stubborn defiance comes back - move onto next room?
hearty elbow
Yeah.
regal edge
if you die again afterwards in that scenario, does DD get used first or SD?
hearty elbow
SD always used first
cunning urchin
You can get 2 from her like that.
hearty elbow
SD -> DD -> Tooth
regal edge
Huh, okay interesting. I'll have to try out SD in some chill runs in the future and see how it feels.
cunning urchin
She basically has legendary boons at tier 2 with that lol.
hearty elbow
Yeah, it's a commonly held misconception that SD makes the game harder. It gives you a butt ton more mistakes you can effectively make per run, but it severely limits the amount of mistakes you can make in one encounter.
Though you will get the dream runs going into Hades with Touch of Styx Dark, and 2 DDs.
Which basically makes it so you can make a sandwich while he wails on you and be super chill.
regal edge
I mean, if a run doesn't go terribly, the only time you lose lives in my experience is going to be in boss chambers (specifically Elysium and Final Boss), so maybe SD allows for more "mistakes" to be made by giving you more or less a free 30% life safety net per chamber
since SD restores you to 30% and not 50%
SD would be much better if it was also 50% lol
regal edge
which is why we don't run BP2 unless it's a 32 heat attempt weSmart
hearty elbow
lol
cunning urchin
SD means you never need to spend money on healing.
vernal iron
which weapon do you think is the strongest?
hearty elbow
Yes
cunning urchin
Weapon or aspect?
vernal iron
weapon
cunning urchin
Aegis.
untold vortex
the weapon you're most comfortable with
vernal iron
i dont think i have unlocked the aspects yet
hearty elbow
From a speed runner optimization perspective I think it's Stygius + Nemesis. But Aegis likely best weapon all around
vernal iron
what do you think about the rail i just got it
hearty elbow
Bow alllllll day though. Holy cow the buffs. They feel so good :3. I haven't unlocked Rama yet, don't spoil it, I want to savor the elation/crushing disappointment.
Rail is great. All of the aspects have their uses
cunning urchin
It's been so long that I've played weapons without any upgrades, I can't really say to be honest.
vernal iron
thanks guys.
hearty elbow
Eris and Hestia definitely have learning curves. I haven't used Lucy since 1.0, so can't speak to that.
ZOOM ZOOM lol. The new racecar Wringers are hilarious
cunning urchin
Without upgrades, I'd say Coronacht and Malphon are probably the best at helping you clear? Malphon with Divine Strike, though.
hearty elbow
Fist and Rail I'd say. Both can get carried pretty hard by Zeus base damage + AoE
Particularly in the beginning
cunning urchin
Might as well go for Curse of Agony on Malphon if you want to maximize your DPS.
turbid needle
Just faced hades the first time have to say I did not have the right build to beat him
cunning urchin
It's a tought fight. A good build helps, but ultimately it comes down to tactics and practice.
You'll get him.
gusty dagger
Anyone else like the changes to Chaos Shield?
I like, makes you actually aim so there's skill expression
And it's still one of the best aspects despite the nerf
cunning urchin
I haven't tried it yet, but I didn't enjoy Chaos Aspect before, so . . . probably.
turbid needle
Spear or sword
sage solar
what build do i go for with the gun
gusty dagger
@sage solar which aspect
sage solar
dont have one
turbid needle
How good are you with the gun
hearty elbow
Just go Lightning Strike while you're learning
turbid needle
Stick with what you're currently using
hearty elbow
It works on every Rail aspect.
turbid needle
Cuz the gun is only good with upgrades
hearty elbow
Base rail gun with Lightning Strike is still great DPS
gusty dagger
It works on every Rail aspect.
@hearty elbow not the hestia one tho
hearty elbow
I mean, base Hestia = base Zag lol
hearty elbow
You can also pretty easily supplement damage with Support Fire. An Artemis core also opens up Lightning Rod, which is now apparently legit
cunning urchin
Lightning Strike + Divine Dash.
sage solar
divine dash is with the deflect am i right ?
cunning urchin
Yes.
- any boon from Lady Artemis that unlocks Support Fire in her tree.
Though I would pass on her Call, personally.
@grim adder if you know your build is not effective against those minibosses specifically, then think about what you can do to deal with that—like changing your summon, for example, to handle those minibosses for you.
The Wretched Sneak has barely any HP, anyway. 700 armor + 300 HP. He dies very fast even with no upgrades at all.
He's always out long enough to take Doom damage if you apply it immediately when he comes out of invincibility. So that's more than 110 msec. Can deal several Hangover ticks of damage in that time, too.
turbid needle
||does the thrid boss battle shield hero block god calls?||
reef galleon
Depends on the call I guess
drifting vale
I cant think of a call ive had get blocked
Aphro and arty both hit i cant think of any other projectile
reef galleon
I'm thinking about Poseidon. Can you rush him when he's blocking and still damage him?
cunning urchin
Aphrodite's Aid and Artemis' Aid specifically are unblockable.
He can block Poseidon's Aid.
reef galleon
I practically never use calls so I wouldn't know
hearty elbow
That's something to correct, for sure. They're kind of insane.
cunning urchin
I didn't really use calls much easier when I was still learning the basics.
hearty elbow
Yeah, the game is great that way. Do stuff while it works, increase heat. When it doesn't anymore, ask why.
reef galleon
After countless hours in games with the same devil trigger-type mechanic I just found the whole premise rather redundant tbh. You build the meter and you use it. I'm sure on higher heat I will just have to think before using it, but as of now I've yet to really appreciate their usefulness I suppose.
hard holly
I just use it as invincibility on the bosses
hearty elbow
Yeah it's a lot more nuanced then that for some of them. Some like Dio and Zeus more or less play out like that, though.
But all calls can be used for iframes as well.
sage solar
best aspect for rail gun
hearty elbow
pretty preferential. Definitely not Zag though lol.
I think Eris has the most potential.
hearty elbow
I think it applies a 1.75x multiplier, and not additive damage.
They've made some effort to clear up some of the ambiguous damage phrasing at least.
autumn salmon
Not sure to ask here or in discussion but. if i exceed heat, do i get bounties from the lowest heat?
hard holly
Hestia is the best generally
gilded knoll
Heat will complete the lowest one uncompleted. If you're at heat 10 and haven't completed heat 2 it'll complete heat 2. You do 10 again, heat 3, etc
Need to fully complete a run for each heat before moving on to the next set of rewards
autumn salmon
thank you! time to bumrush ||Skelly's first prize||
brittle vault
does anyone know how to unlock the final fists aspect?
hearty elbow
I mean, the fact that it's a global damage mod still makes it pretty great. And the higher you go in heat, the less total additive damage you have.
hard holly
Thing is, why ever pick it over Hestia which alters base damage and is effectively multiplicative?
It being a global damage mod is alright, bud Id rather just have a lot more damage on my attack than a bit more damage on everything else
hearty elbow
They play wildly differently. You get a huge mod on Lightning, Hangover, Doom, Razor Shoals, etc.
upper salmon
does rare crop count each individual styx room
hearty elbow
Yes
hearty elbow
Variable
hard holly
I mean, sure, its just less damage than going for Hestia even then
Although
I guess its technically better than Zag rail for lightning builds?
hearty elbow
I'm saying it's apples and oranges lol. Hestia has phenomenal single target damage... and that's it
Eris can also do serviceable single target, not nearly at the peaks of Hestia, but it has a lot more build flexibility and it can obliterate packs
hard holly
Hestia has consistency, since you really only "need" 1 or 2 boons, and its still great at clearing rooms because you oneshot enemies
Its worse against lots of small enemies, but tbh the special does a good enough job there
hearty elbow
You can't one shot through armor or DC
hard holly
Two-shot on those
But I do admit hestia does worse vs the extra health thing
Kinda do wish Eris was multiplicative though
In general a fair few things should be multiplicative
cunning urchin
Eris is amazing.
night path
I feel like Rama is just bad for single targets altogether; it's too sluggish movement and damage wise to really use well
That, or I'm using it wrong
It's really good for taking out groups though, I will give it that
if I could do a machine gun special build, I'll retract what I say about it otherwise
unkempt pagoda
the shared suffering effect applies to single targets too, and you don't need to charge all the way either
night path
Yeah, but it doesn't feel like it does enough damage anyway charged or uncharged. I'd get more mileage out of fists or spear with way better mobility
i just went a no heat run and it was miserable against asterius and theseus
this was with attack speed boost from hermes, with chain and perfect shot
repulse shot doesn't sound like it would work against bosses anyway, which is why I didnt pick it up
it probably would be best used if i got explosive + point blank though, but I'm reluctant to even try to.
sullen valley
Wait, was it Hera or Hestia whose Rail Aspect was the “Silver Bullet” thing?
grim adder
@cunning urchin I spent 5 minutes dodging the Skull crusher. Avoiding his damage isn't an issue, but he's armored so you can't interrupt him and he disappears in the time it takes to do two dashes to avoid the damage wave, and I was using an alt-fire rail build so I couldn't apply a lick of dps. I crashed before I could kill him
sullen valley
Wh
You crashed?!
cunning urchin
Antos or Meg take care of the Power Couple very quickly.
grim adder
yeah, wasn't as annoying as crashing in the penultimate room in styx and losing a whole run
sullen valley
tf
grim adder
I've had 3 crashes since 1.0 release :/
cunning urchin
Have you asked for help in #h1-tech-support?
grim adder
I've been sending the post-crash bug reports, haven't noticed any pattern in the crashing
apart from heavy combat maybe
cunning urchin
You don't lose your run progress. There's a temp sav and a permanent save. The run progress is in the temp save.
grim adder
every time I loaded up it put me back in the house
cunning urchin
#h1-tech-fixes explains how to recover your run.
Yes, you need to overwrite the perma save with your temp save to load into the run.
Manually.
grim adder
I'll remember that for next time
it's too many runs ago to bother with now, if the temp hasn't been overwritten already
it'll never be as bad as only noticing the fishing spot in Chaos after I'd started leaving the room
sullen valley
That’s rough
floral apex
Imho best sword build is Poseiden + anything cast heavy, Artemis + exit wounds is a good way to wreck face
But if you can get ares beyblade cast + Artemis/Ares duo boon you'll do a pretty significant ton of damage
cunning urchin
Nemesis and Excalibur have proven most successful so far at high heats—Nemesis and Poseidon in speedruns.
So the overall winner would be Nemesis.
small stirrup
In the end, skill is and smart building is what it boils down to
onyx parcel
small stirrup
Well if we're talking about Zag aspects for spear, I've found that Poseidon builds are pretty effective
small stirrup
Ice wine obviously
small stirrup
Which weapon?
small stirrup
I noticed
hybrid galleon
but two duos arent that bad
small stirrup
I mean I never take Stubborn roots when I have DD on
hybrid galleon
the 4 gods i have are zeus dememeter athena and dio
small stirrup
So Ice wine is literally the best option here
hybrid galleon
wellll
spear does has one issue of bad scaling in terms of damage
so having stubborn roots can give you some good feels
small stirrup
That's fair
hybrid galleon
miiight fell short on hades
small stirrup
I should have mentioned that its my opinion
hybrid galleon
so anything athena provides is meant to cuck hades
hybrid galleon
i did take ice wine
hybrid galleon
also may i just say, something lore related
how come demeter has less hearts than zeus when she is probably the most relevant god in this game
i mean i take either gran will still be happy, they are both demeter boon lol
small stirrup
I mean I think Demeter and Zeus have the same amount of hearts?
Also Zeus has a lot to do with the story as well
Endgame Spoiler:||He was the one who sent Persephone down to the underworld to live with Hades||
hybrid galleon
no, zeus has more than demeter for some reasons
valid elm
whats a good build for gilgamesh
hybrid galleon
which just happened to me lmao
OUT OF ALL OPTIONS GRANDMA
those are the only 2 too
small stirrup
I pick up rare crop to usually enhance my core boons or a tier 2. So I don't care if it removed a rarity since it would bring it back to heroic pretty soon. I wouldn't pick rare crop if I knew it wouldn't be enough to get a boon to heroic
proud storm
have you ever wondered how it felt to have -50% dash distance https://streamable.com/1yjegm
now you know
small stirrup
Now you have 2 potential heroic
small stirrup
Now that's just bad luck
hybrid galleon
both of which scales already too well as epic
athena dash and frost strike
its more like the rare crop is just dumb
dont forget, it takes time to get it back, so its not free reward consider you will potentially lose some power overtime especially when it picks epic boon suddenly you deal a lot less damage than you could be
and thats frustrating, when the prompt gives juuust before the damn boss fight or something
lapis pilot
question, and apologies if this got asked in suggestions, but how come the hammer upgrades cannot be rerolled via the, uhh... whatever the reroll on boons mirror upgrade is called? Was it there at one point but just considered too OP?
small stirrup
It was answered during the QA once
hybrid galleon
some doesnt compatible with others
small stirrup
Let me try to find it
hybrid galleon
pick one and you lose like 2-3 options already
lapis pilot
fair enough 🤷
cunning urchin
I don't know if it was in a Q&A, but Amir has said in a live interview during the Hermes Cup that he's always seen the Daedalus Hammers as "more grounded in the world".
hard holly
You cant reroll them?
small stirrup
I found something along those lines in #ask-supergiant
While we understand people love seeing paths for every possible mirror, hammer, aspect, keepsake and boon possibility, it is prohibitive for us to support unique interactions for every possible combination. While we have some precedent for doing this with Hermes, the content isn’t efficient to make in this manner for our team. We would rather continue to pursue ideas that lead to runs with high dynamic range, even if it means that not everything can pair with everything else.
hard holly
Unfortunate
hybrid galleon
@small stirrup this is the instance why i dont want rare boon to keep upgrade when it has the perfection
cosmic dawn
Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask, but ||is there something I'm missing about getting the opportunity to fight Charon? Even though I've fought him once already, for the past 10 or so runs I've only had a single chance to fight him, which I passed on due to low health and a less-than-ideal build. Am I just super unlucky or is it supposed to be this rare?||
small stirrup
You are just really unlucky
hybrid galleon
which sometimes i feel more lower than that because i literally visit him all the time cause i want my mom's credit card
but noooo
he wont show up
small stirrup
I completely agree
hybrid galleon
im gonna whoop his ass with my barefists
small stirrup
Its super hard to get him
cosmic dawn
The worst part is that the first time I fought him didn't count for the achievement since I did it back in early access
that achievement is like 60% of the reason I just really want him to give me another opportunity
small stirrup
Same here 😞
hybrid galleon
I just want my mom's credit card
cosmic dawn
while on the topic, is it possible for the sack to spawn in shops right before a boss-fight?
cunning urchin
Nope.
hybrid wave
in the last zone is each room still considered an encounter? For charon's items and for demeter's upgrade boon
small stirrup
Yes
hybrid galleon
yep
hybrid wave
also does abyssal and boiling blood do anything for the ||4th aspect|| shield?
small stirrup
Can cast's get lodged with it?
If yes then... yes
I don't use 4th aspect that often
hybrid galleon
but 4th aspect shield dont lodge afaik
hybrid wave
thought as much, good to know
small stirrup
@cunning urchin ?
Can you confirm?
hybrid galleon
all of them turn into aoe damage
cunning urchin
Normally no. I'm half-sure I've lodged a cast here and there with it at very rare moments, but those were probably bugs.
small stirrup
Well there you go
hybrid galleon
my god
cunning urchin
Make sure you use Infernal Soul with it so that you can load 3 casts.
cunning urchin
Stygian Soul is legit worse with Beowulf than Infernal Soul with only 1 ammo.
small stirrup
Ahh
hybrid galleon
yeah mainly because you dont lodge
small stirrup
No wonder i suck with it
hybrid galleon
i think anything that is bursty in general rule
like hera bow or beowulf is infernal friendly
small stirrup
Yeah but I've had good stygian runs with Hera's bow
cunning urchin
#1 cast for it is easily Passion Flare.
small stirrup
I got lucky with chaos and prometheus stones
hybrid galleon
do you mean
kidney stones
that is a must have for any run tbh, like i purchase promo a lot compared to other stuffs
chaos, promo or yarn is like my top 3 purchase
small stirrup
The jerky are huge speed boosts for me