#h1-builds-and-combat | Supergiant Games | Page 594

unkempt pagoda Sep 17, 2020, 4:24 PM

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reminder that zag sword got buffed ❤️

valid locust Sep 17, 2020, 4:24 PM

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Man, why they get rid of that? Divine Dash with it was craxy fun.

glass rapids Sep 17, 2020, 4:24 PM

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Ares Athena

valid locust Sep 17, 2020, 4:24 PM

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Bleh yeah Athena, brainfarted

glass rapids Sep 17, 2020, 4:24 PM

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Zag sword + flurry slash now shadeohboy

unkempt pagoda Sep 17, 2020, 4:25 PM

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zag fists felt bad for sword and gave its attack speed to the sword

barren otter Sep 17, 2020, 4:25 PM

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I had a Talos fists run with merciful end, doom on attack and divine dash right before the 1.0 release

glass rapids Sep 17, 2020, 4:25 PM

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Just dodge chance seems lackluster shadegrief

steel snow Sep 17, 2020, 4:26 PM

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@upper salmon you have to buy the boon guide through the contractor idk if you did that already

unkempt pagoda Sep 17, 2020, 4:26 PM

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the attack speed apparently didn't do anything for fists anyway so :v

glass rapids Sep 17, 2020, 4:28 PM

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Twas all an illusion

barren otter Sep 17, 2020, 4:28 PM

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that illusion felt so real

glass rapids Sep 17, 2020, 4:28 PM

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I guess the starting hit coming out earlier just made it feel faster

upper salmon Sep 17, 2020, 4:29 PM

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yeah i got it now

glass rapids Sep 17, 2020, 4:29 PM

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How exactly did aspect of chaos change tho

unkempt pagoda Sep 17, 2020, 4:29 PM

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it shoots the shields in a cone in front of the user

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plus aesthetic changes

glass rapids Sep 17, 2020, 4:30 PM

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Doesn't that... Make it more op

unkempt pagoda Sep 17, 2020, 4:31 PM

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nope, actually

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the extra shields only go so far before coming back, and they don't bounce

glass rapids Sep 17, 2020, 4:31 PM

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I guess now you have to actually aim lol

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And there's minor risk perhaps

unkempt pagoda Sep 17, 2020, 4:31 PM

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it's a nerf overall imo

steel snow Sep 17, 2020, 4:31 PM

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wait they don't bounce?

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noooo

glass rapids Sep 17, 2020, 4:33 PM

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I welcome eris buff

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Whats it at now

unkempt pagoda Sep 17, 2020, 4:33 PM

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75% i think?

valid locust Sep 17, 2020, 4:33 PM

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They nerfdd chaos shield?

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Sadness

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I love how crazy the screen would get with them.

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As long as Demeter Fists are still bae

unkempt pagoda Sep 17, 2020, 4:35 PM

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chaos doesn't feel like Shield+ anymore :V

dire wedge Sep 17, 2020, 4:35 PM

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would love to see if chaos aspect would work with dread flight better now

valid locust Sep 17, 2020, 4:35 PM

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Surprised Beowulf charged flight stuck around.

gray lintel Sep 17, 2020, 4:40 PM

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sword fourth aspect + shadow slash = nothing personnel kid

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(backstabs do so much damage, dang)

radiant scarab Sep 17, 2020, 4:41 PM

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Those of you who started a new save, how far did you guys get on your first run?
I reached room 31 - Killed by Asterius mini-boss fight
My build was ill-suited for anything but scraping by at the end ❤️

rare kayak Sep 17, 2020, 4:42 PM

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new chaos shield is awkward can confirm

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but i still like it more than base and zeus

valid locust Sep 17, 2020, 4:43 PM

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I forgot to give feedback on zeus shield

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Wanted it to travel a little bit faster.

gray lintel Sep 17, 2020, 4:44 PM

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2500 damage on an attack is a lot of damage right ablobwoah

rare kayak Sep 17, 2020, 4:44 PM

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do we know the fist aspect yet

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god king right

dire wedge Sep 17, 2020, 4:45 PM

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I want to try chaos aspect with the additional bounces hammer now

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since you can control where your shields go maybe it won't be as bad as it was

rare kayak Sep 17, 2020, 4:45 PM

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its not great

dire wedge Sep 17, 2020, 4:45 PM

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oof

rare kayak Sep 17, 2020, 4:45 PM

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additional bounces means shield takes more time to get back to you

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especially if you miss

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and of corse you cant throw it when its away from you

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plus i had some idk bug or interaction where it bounced between the two furthest walls in the room back and forth

dire wedge Sep 17, 2020, 4:46 PM

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but that was with the old chaos shield, you have better control now where your shields go

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aaaah there it is

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nvm then haha

rare kayak Sep 17, 2020, 4:46 PM

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which added like five seconds before next shield

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even on old chaos it only affected main shield

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theres no difference between how it interacts with old and new

dire wedge Sep 17, 2020, 4:47 PM

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TIL

rare kayak Sep 17, 2020, 4:47 PM

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the dash special and power up on block are both pretty good with chaos i feel

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i still think its the best shield but its no longer get zeus special let it out in the middle of nowhere and kill a wave of enemies good

valid locust Sep 17, 2020, 4:48 PM

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Booo

rare kayak Sep 17, 2020, 4:48 PM

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i feel like for “god king”

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i can think of hree

dire wedge Sep 17, 2020, 4:49 PM

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well somebody talk to asterius already so we can see that new aspect haha

rare kayak Sep 17, 2020, 4:49 PM

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wukong, gilgamesh and an egyptian pharoah, possibly ramese II

valid locust Sep 17, 2020, 4:49 PM

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Hopefully its gilgamesh

rare kayak Sep 17, 2020, 4:49 PM

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wukongs not really a king though

valid locust Sep 17, 2020, 4:49 PM

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I had him as a guess a while ago

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Egyptian fisticuffs would be cool too

rare kayak Sep 17, 2020, 4:50 PM

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yeah but gilgamesh fighting style has been so embedded into my consciousness by nasuverse that i cant think of him punching someone LOL

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admittedly he supposed wrestled enkidu or something before they became buds so i guess?

valid locust Sep 17, 2020, 4:50 PM

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I want to suplex things

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I'll make no bones about it

dire wedge Sep 17, 2020, 4:51 PM

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the new fist hammer has something to do with claws

tawny quest Sep 17, 2020, 4:51 PM

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anyone here play arthur

dire wedge Sep 17, 2020, 4:51 PM

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Rending Claws (Fists - Hidden Aspect): new! Dash-Upper makes foes slower and take more damage

rare kayak Sep 17, 2020, 4:51 PM

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thats daedalus

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wait

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no thats hidden aspect

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yeah i play arthur

dire wedge Sep 17, 2020, 4:51 PM

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that should give a clue as to who the new aspect is

rare kayak Sep 17, 2020, 4:51 PM

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i like crit sword more though

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ah i got it

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aspect of wolverine

tawny quest Sep 17, 2020, 4:52 PM

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they made his special better

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i think

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its my third most played weapon after hestia and chiron

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the projectiles are slower

rare kayak Sep 17, 2020, 4:53 PM

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oh i havent had a run since new patch

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i just slapped a chaos shield build together randomly and ran off to beat the game because i gotta sleep soon

tawny quest Sep 17, 2020, 4:53 PM

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baseball arthur just got better

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oh rip

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well i speedran it on chiron

rare kayak Sep 17, 2020, 4:53 PM

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i hate bow so

tawny quest Sep 17, 2020, 4:53 PM

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and got perfect crit setup with extended volley

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rip

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well i got my hitless ||hades|| run in with it

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athena also got a vfx update

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like the deflected shots all have unique looks

gray lintel Sep 17, 2020, 4:56 PM

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2854 damage in a single swing ablobsweats

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hoarding slash for more damage blobextranervous

rare kayak Sep 17, 2020, 4:59 PM

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oh baby i love the per room income hermes boon

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probably my fave

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ok yeah its gilgy boy

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coolio

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im out cya

long summit Sep 17, 2020, 5:01 PM

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Best beginner build ?

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Newb build ?

dry ember Sep 17, 2020, 5:02 PM

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which weapon?

tawny quest Sep 17, 2020, 5:05 PM

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ranged is prolly hestia crit imo

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tho i dunno if they nerfed it or something been a while

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well honestly every weapon type has a god pairing

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well rip my revenge build, at least i cleared

empty robin Sep 17, 2020, 5:23 PM

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They fixed Hestia baby

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Back to be a Hestia main

tawny quest Sep 17, 2020, 5:25 PM

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welp guess im trying that for the next run :p

empty robin Sep 17, 2020, 5:26 PM

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I've been asking for the fix ror thr past few months

magic dagger Sep 17, 2020, 5:26 PM

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I'm guessing the lag before you can reload is shorter?

empty robin Sep 17, 2020, 5:26 PM

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Thank god they listened

gray lintel Sep 17, 2020, 5:32 PM

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shadow slash is great for 4th sword aspect \o/ 3300 damage in a single hit lol

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taking out an entire boss phase in a single attack

dry ember Sep 17, 2020, 5:33 PM

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obligatory https://i.imgur.com/ZFC2hMTh.jpg

gray lintel Sep 17, 2020, 5:37 PM

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ablobsweats

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they don't have hoarding strike tho for more damage thonk

magic dagger Sep 17, 2020, 5:49 PM

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8439

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that's a lot of damage

stiff stone Sep 17, 2020, 5:54 PM

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Oh hey, my screenshot

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awesome hehe

dry ember Sep 17, 2020, 5:55 PM

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oh yeah, that's radish screenshot

stiff stone Sep 17, 2020, 5:55 PM

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Yea that build was perfect, and that was before all the backstab stuff was added

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so something larger is definitely possible now

dry ember Sep 17, 2020, 5:55 PM

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credit to them. I just like posting it for funsies

stiff stone Sep 17, 2020, 5:55 PM

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No worries

young ether Sep 17, 2020, 5:58 PM

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@barren otter how is the new Chaos shield?

barren otter Sep 17, 2020, 5:58 PM

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I still like it

gray lintel Sep 17, 2020, 5:58 PM

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Yeah it was not too much otpmization mostly just like... artemis attack with Aspect Of Truck and Shadow Slash for +200% backstab.

barren otter Sep 17, 2020, 5:59 PM

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Bonus shields are ||no longer homing||, that's about it. It's ||effectively more of a shotgun now||

young ether Sep 17, 2020, 5:59 PM

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oh i see

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thanks

thorn jolt Sep 17, 2020, 6:01 PM

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does this mean they all will land on the person you're aiming for if you're close enough?

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I felt like before the multiple shields wouldn't burst people when running up close

barren otter Sep 17, 2020, 6:02 PM

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does this mean they all will land on the person you're aiming for if you're close enough?
yep, you could do it even before the change

thorn jolt Sep 17, 2020, 6:06 PM

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Arty Flourish here I come

brittle vault Sep 17, 2020, 6:12 PM

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hey, where can i see what each resource item even does anymore? i don't remember what some of these do and the codex isn't helpful

thorn jolt Sep 17, 2020, 6:15 PM

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in game? IDK. Out of game tho, https://hades.gamepedia.com/Hades_Wiki

half crater Sep 17, 2020, 6:16 PM

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the shields no longer bounce, as well, which is pretty big

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but it still works; i just smashed through hades with a thunder flourish build that only half came together

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rip no splitting bolt 😭

plush iron Sep 17, 2020, 6:18 PM

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grrr

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traps deal so much damage

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I legit lost 2 death defiances in a single room

thorn jolt Sep 17, 2020, 6:18 PM

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heightened security + the arrows in elysium dealing 20 = zaglol 🔫

plush iron Sep 17, 2020, 6:19 PM

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did they remove heightened security in the heat? cause if not it is redundant now

half crater Sep 17, 2020, 6:19 PM

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i once lost a run by getting hit by the exact same sawblade in the exact same place in the exact same way

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three times

plush iron Sep 17, 2020, 6:19 PM

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Yes

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that just happened to me

half crater Sep 17, 2020, 6:19 PM

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oof

plush iron Sep 17, 2020, 6:19 PM

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it hurt so much T-T

half crater Sep 17, 2020, 6:19 PM

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i feel you

plush iron Sep 17, 2020, 6:20 PM

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tho i did complete the game to see the ending

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I predicted the final characterrr woooo

half crater Sep 17, 2020, 6:21 PM

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nice

unkempt pagoda Sep 17, 2020, 6:44 PM

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so how we feeling about hidden fists

tulip plaza Sep 17, 2020, 6:54 PM

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Am i the only one finding the new Maim mechanic really akward to use?

desert nacelle Sep 17, 2020, 7:01 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/712749399700406294/756228348916662449/unknown.png

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your advice?

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peeposhy

dry ember Sep 17, 2020, 7:02 PM

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Looks like Zag Rail, flurry all the way

desert nacelle Sep 17, 2020, 7:02 PM

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thanks peepoLove

dry ember Sep 17, 2020, 7:02 PM

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Piercing isn't bad either

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Since you need that prophecy

desert nacelle Sep 17, 2020, 7:03 PM

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will it trigger Zeus thing twice if hits multiple targets?

dry ember Sep 17, 2020, 7:03 PM

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No, don't think so

small gorge Sep 17, 2020, 7:13 PM

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no it wont

desert nacelle Sep 17, 2020, 7:22 PM

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I got aimbot from deadalus and seaking thing from artemis

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KEKW

hard holly Sep 17, 2020, 7:29 PM

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What happens if you hit yourself with Hazard Bomb

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Does it just oneshot you?

desert nacelle Sep 17, 2020, 7:29 PM

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no

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u take like 5% out of it

glass rapids Sep 17, 2020, 7:37 PM

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You also get stunned

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Momentarily

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Which hurts quite a bit for final boss

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~~speaking from experience~~

civic barn Sep 17, 2020, 8:02 PM

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hm can someone explain how the hp bar works for aphrodite's legendary? As in, does it still count as that enemy's health (for the purposes of demeter's legendary)?

small gorge Sep 17, 2020, 8:04 PM

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aphrodite legendary?????

civic barn Sep 17, 2020, 8:15 PM

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er, the one that has a 15% to inflict charm; where it indicates it by both the heart symbol and the changed color on part of the hp bar of an enemy?

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just wondering if that last part has an effect on the actual health of an enemy

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hm i feel like i've seen the answer to this before and i just forgot

valid locust Sep 17, 2020, 8:18 PM

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think I went a little bit too hard on this pactless run, my chiron bow volleys are doing 1k a pop

small gorge Sep 17, 2020, 8:22 PM

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@civic barn it has nothing to do with their health bar, it just change color so you cana clear that they got charmed

civic barn Sep 17, 2020, 8:22 PM

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okay; i wonder why they don't cover the entire hp bar though

desert nacelle Sep 17, 2020, 8:24 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/712528599260856355/756248757200224436/unknown.png

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this gives 1

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or replenish?

small gorge Sep 17, 2020, 8:24 PM

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give 1

turbid needle Sep 17, 2020, 8:48 PM

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hey how to have the new fist aspects?

vocal crag Sep 17, 2020, 8:52 PM

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hi, I have a stupid question, how to unlock final aspect for the bow ? I have all aspects on all weapons unlocked except the aspect of rama. Bow is my most played weapon i have almost 100h in the game and i still cant get it ...

cosmic dawn Sep 17, 2020, 8:52 PM

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Hey, sorry if this was asked before but does anyone know the exact difference between the bow's damage pre- and post-buff?

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it's been a while since I've played so I forgot specifically how much damage it was dishing out every shot as compared to now

unkempt pagoda Sep 17, 2020, 9:35 PM

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+10 damage attack damage i believe

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and special got increased too

naive tusk Sep 17, 2020, 9:36 PM

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hi, I have a stupid question, how to unlock final aspect for the bow ? I have all aspects on all weapons unlocked except the aspect of rama. Bow is my most played weapon i have almost 100h in the game and i still cant get it ...
@vocal crag Check the pinned message in #h1-story-discussion

cosmic dawn Sep 17, 2020, 9:46 PM

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Thank you!

unkempt pagoda Sep 17, 2020, 9:46 PM

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and the recovery for both are lessened, so you should be getting the damage out faster too

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overall, a great day for bow mains 😛

desert nacelle Sep 17, 2020, 9:47 PM

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I've a question about Rama bow. If i'm using special powered by Ares and attack powered by Athena and i got Merciful End, will the attack immideately trigger doom on all enemies or only the shoted one?

gray lintel Sep 17, 2020, 9:51 PM

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fist 4th aspect ||i can now dash like 7 times with an epic hermes boon. my fingers hurt D:||

civic barn Sep 17, 2020, 9:54 PM

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are you supposed to be able to skip ||charon|| not destroying the pillars in the arena?

hard holly Sep 17, 2020, 10:02 PM

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Does Aspect of Coronacht increase the damage on the primary target?

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I mean Aspect of Rama

dry ember Sep 17, 2020, 10:03 PM

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Yes.

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It amplifies the damage done on the target itself.

sacred idol Sep 17, 2020, 10:09 PM

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How's that new aspect?

vocal crag Sep 17, 2020, 10:29 PM

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@naive tusk unfortunatly i have met the requirements mentioned there long ago and still nothing

unlocked at last it took only about 80 suicides with artemis boon

hearty elbow Sep 17, 2020, 10:29 PM

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lmao, did Theseus just leap slam at me?

dire wedge Sep 17, 2020, 10:31 PM

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@gray lintel you can hold down the button to auto-dash

gray lintel Sep 17, 2020, 10:32 PM

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does that only work with that aspect cause regular dashes dont' work

hasty garnet Sep 17, 2020, 10:56 PM

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Attack Speed+30% on Arthur Aspect is busted

covert hatch Sep 17, 2020, 11:15 PM

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Hey what's the thoughts on Aphrodite Cast with Aspect of Hera?

gray lintel Sep 17, 2020, 11:17 PM

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fourth rail aspect, with demeter special and cast. I am now playing a tower defense game lol

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bigger special AOE too \o/

gilded knoll Sep 17, 2020, 11:21 PM

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Super ||Soaker|| keeps the baddies away!

gray lintel Sep 17, 2020, 11:22 PM

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heh

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||i'm actually getting posideon attack just for that in styx when you mention it||

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artemis doublecast 👀

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traded flash fire for triple shot and never need to reload. i am okay with this for this build.

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....okay I'm blind now.

idle oak Sep 17, 2020, 11:30 PM

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was that Crush Shot bug ever fixed with Hera/Beowulf aspects where it would cast behind enemies?

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From the point of impact, so they were never damaged by it

dry ember Sep 17, 2020, 11:31 PM

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Think so. At least it works well for me.

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No more where did my damage go moments.

magic dagger Sep 17, 2020, 11:31 PM

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does the buff to the Zag blade make the basic combo actually worth it!?

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cruel thrust is definitely good now

dry ember Sep 17, 2020, 11:32 PM

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From what I see on Haelian stream, still no xD

gray lintel Sep 17, 2020, 11:34 PM

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build(spoilers cause stuff on a hidden aspect): ||triple beam shot, never reload, +250% damage 'hellfire' radiating and larger area, Posideon attack, Demeter special to slow enemies, Demeter cast with Artemis duo to place down turrets.||

hard holly Sep 17, 2020, 11:37 PM

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Damn, Sniper Shot seems mediocre

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The area where it applies is so tiny

hearty elbow Sep 17, 2020, 11:37 PM

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It is, very

gray lintel Sep 18, 2020, 12:02 AM

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hidden malphon aspect: ||it is very, very good with improved dash-strike damage and athena deflect attack||

small gorge Sep 18, 2020, 12:23 AM

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try something risky aka Artemis or Ares. We can veat hades in 1minute

hybrid wave Sep 18, 2020, 12:23 AM

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2 questions:

is it possible to get a call boon as a first boon? My gut feeling is no but maybe I'm just not getting lucky
How does the "enemies w cast in them take more damage" upgrade interact w other damage? Is it whatever damage would be done * 1.25 or is it 1*(1 + 0.25 + bonus a + bonus b + etc) Thinking of trying the alternative mirror of night upgrade but flat 25% feels hard to give up

kind cloud Sep 18, 2020, 12:24 AM

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i'm salty about the new chaos shield. it's bad.

small gorge Sep 18, 2020, 12:25 AM

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@hybrid wave

Yes, its possible
you are correct man

dry ember Sep 18, 2020, 12:26 AM

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I guess Chaos Shield changes are causing mayhems huh

small gorge Sep 18, 2020, 12:26 AM

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@kind cloud not too op like before. They cant let a unbalance thing in game you know. Like you can do a 32 heat with no sweat with the old shield

dry ember Sep 18, 2020, 12:27 AM

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Cries in uber high heat now the crutch is gone.

unkempt pagoda Sep 18, 2020, 12:27 AM

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chaos deserved the nerf, but i'm not gonna pretend like i'm not sad about it dusa

dry ember Sep 18, 2020, 12:28 AM

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I guess we can still route for a Hunting Blade build now.

small gorge Sep 18, 2020, 12:28 AM

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how can something not broken when it can both protect you and clear 1 chamber in under 30s

untold vortex Sep 18, 2020, 12:29 AM

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@kind cloud please don't evade the swear filters

small gorge Sep 18, 2020, 12:29 AM

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that was broken man

kind cloud Sep 18, 2020, 12:29 AM

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lol

dry ember Sep 18, 2020, 12:29 AM

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Being OP implies something being broken.

kind cloud Sep 18, 2020, 12:29 AM

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beowulf with charged flight is truly broken.

untold vortex Sep 18, 2020, 12:29 AM

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from what I've seen chaos shield all but invalidated other aspect choices with how safe of an option it was

dry ember Sep 18, 2020, 12:29 AM

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That being said, I don't like nerfs in single player gamr

kind cloud Sep 18, 2020, 12:29 AM

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if they take that out, i'm just gonna delete the game.

dry ember Sep 18, 2020, 12:30 AM

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But I respect SGG decision

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Beowulf needs Charge Flight

small gorge Sep 18, 2020, 12:30 AM

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beowulf in other hand not too op because its slow and you sometime cant react to guard on time

kind cloud Sep 18, 2020, 12:30 AM

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But I respect SGG decision
@dry ember
I don't.
The most fun aspect got wiped out.

dry ember Sep 18, 2020, 12:30 AM

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And got dumptered by DC

kind cloud Sep 18, 2020, 12:30 AM

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If 32 heat was easy, then play at 48 heat, 54 heat.

dry ember Sep 18, 2020, 12:30 AM

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Throw anything on Chaos and it works.

small gorge Sep 18, 2020, 12:31 AM

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start to play arthur @kind cloud you will find the fun like the way i found

kind cloud Sep 18, 2020, 12:31 AM

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Throw anything on Chaos and it works.
@dry ember
Which is what made it great. It was the ideal all-arounder.

dry ember Sep 18, 2020, 12:31 AM

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I mean I was upset about Spreadfire nerf back then, too

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But it eventually doesn't matter

kind cloud Sep 18, 2020, 12:32 AM

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@small gorge
I like arthur. it's in my top 5 aspects to use. but it's slow.

surreal vector Sep 18, 2020, 12:32 AM

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why did they nerf zag fists ;-;

kind cloud Sep 18, 2020, 12:32 AM

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But it eventually doesn't matter
@dry ember
No. It'll matter to me.

Everytime I'll play chaos shield, I'll remember how this one is massively downgraded by comparison.

surreal vector Sep 18, 2020, 12:32 AM

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same

kind cloud Sep 18, 2020, 12:33 AM

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It won't matter to the new players but they'll never know how awesome it once was...

dry ember Sep 18, 2020, 12:34 AM

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I guess we have different stakes in the game. I like Chaos, I don't like nerfs in single player games. But silver lining, it's still very usable.

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I'll just put it at that.

small gorge Sep 18, 2020, 12:34 AM

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slow but can deal 4k damage and reduced much of damage yesssssssssss

dry ember Sep 18, 2020, 12:34 AM

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That's why you compare DPS, not damage

kind cloud Sep 18, 2020, 12:34 AM

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Like...I've seen a bunch of my favorite builds get nerfed. (Remember instantaneous zag stygian special with athena deflect? But I brushsed it off.)

But watching my favorite aspect get nerfed has me bitter as heck.

dry ember Sep 18, 2020, 12:35 AM

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Bow gets buffed. So I guess I rejoice?

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Like I said, different stakes.

small gorge Sep 18, 2020, 12:36 AM

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i have already make a rama shotgun run

kind cloud Sep 18, 2020, 12:36 AM

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I'm FIRMLY on TeamBowSucks and TeamIHateAllTheAspectsofBow

small gorge Sep 18, 2020, 12:36 AM

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man its good

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due to the reduced of charge

kind cloud Sep 18, 2020, 12:37 AM

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/That said...I haven't played new bows so I reserve the right to change my opinion.

dry ember Sep 18, 2020, 12:37 AM

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Bow takes the second most skill, after spear. @me

kind cloud Sep 18, 2020, 12:37 AM

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lolwut

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Spear is kinda easy to use

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Rail is harder to use than spear

gray lintel Sep 18, 2020, 12:38 AM

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sorry I didn't know spamming dash attacks was hard :p

kind cloud Sep 18, 2020, 12:38 AM

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it is on keyboard

small gorge Sep 18, 2020, 12:38 AM

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me personally only feel hard when using bow

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the rest is fineeeeeeeee

kind cloud Sep 18, 2020, 12:39 AM

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bow is annoying

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in fact, i'll go further.

small gorge Sep 18, 2020, 12:40 AM

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my Zag fists got neft so saddddddd

kind cloud Sep 18, 2020, 12:40 AM

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i hate all bows from all universes.

small gorge Sep 18, 2020, 12:40 AM

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my thunder hand :(

kind cloud Sep 18, 2020, 12:41 AM

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when i saw katniss use a bow in hunger games, i hoped she got murked.

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sadly, i was disappointed.

dry ember Sep 18, 2020, 12:41 AM

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No reason not to pick grandma's mittens

kind cloud Sep 18, 2020, 12:41 AM

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lol

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i like zag fists more than demeter's fists

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i just don't see the charm of her aspect

dry ember Sep 18, 2020, 12:42 AM

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Don't hate bows. Bows are cool. English Longbows are good.

kind cloud Sep 18, 2020, 12:42 AM

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lol

surreal vector Sep 18, 2020, 12:49 AM

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Zag fists giving you only 15% dodge now makes grandma's mittens the only fist aspect

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:(

gray lintel Sep 18, 2020, 12:50 AM

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magnetic cutter is pretty fun

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also the hidden aspect

surreal vector Sep 18, 2020, 12:51 AM

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i mean they all exist

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but do theyyy

unkempt pagoda Sep 18, 2020, 12:53 AM

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tbf, zag fists' attack speed didn't do anything anyways

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Wait, it was only dodge speed?
Has always been.

dry ember Sep 18, 2020, 12:54 AM

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Honestly, I would not mind Dash Distance on Zag Fists

kind cloud Sep 18, 2020, 12:54 AM

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Zag fists giving you only 15% dodge now makes grandma's mittens the only fist aspect
@surreal vector
Wait...isn't that what it always was?

dry ember Sep 18, 2020, 12:54 AM

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Dodge and dash distance is a really safe combo

surreal vector Sep 18, 2020, 12:54 AM

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dodge and attack speed

dry ember Sep 18, 2020, 12:54 AM

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@kind cloud old Zag Fists gives 15% to both attack speed and dodge.

kind cloud Sep 18, 2020, 12:55 AM

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so it's just dodge?

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that's enough for me

dry ember Sep 18, 2020, 12:55 AM

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Now it's just dodge

half crater Sep 18, 2020, 12:55 AM

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yeah but the speed only applied to the first attack

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so it didn’t really do anything

gray lintel Sep 18, 2020, 12:55 AM

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Old zag fists never actually gave attack speed except to the first attack though yeah lol

surreal vector Sep 18, 2020, 12:55 AM

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very strange they went the way of getting rid of it instead of just making it give the attack speed

half crater Sep 18, 2020, 12:56 AM

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it’s not a nerf, they just took out an ability that never worked properly to prevent confusion i think

surreal vector Sep 18, 2020, 12:56 AM

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but alas

unkempt pagoda Sep 18, 2020, 12:57 AM

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and in return we got buffed zag sword, so all is right and balanced in the world

surreal vector Sep 18, 2020, 12:57 AM

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hahaha

solid cairn Sep 18, 2020, 12:58 AM

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hello. I have not played this in a very long time. What keepsakes do you guys use the most

dry ember Sep 18, 2020, 12:58 AM

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God god acorn acorn

surreal vector Sep 18, 2020, 12:58 AM

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can zag sword dash attack faster with the attack speed buff?

unkempt pagoda Sep 18, 2020, 12:58 AM

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usually i go god/god/acorn/spearpoint

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occasionally i replace one of the gods with purse instead

solid cairn Sep 18, 2020, 12:59 AM

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also how good is the new fist

unkempt pagoda Sep 18, 2020, 12:59 AM

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i think it's great

dry ember Sep 18, 2020, 12:59 AM

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Yeah. Normal run I do God God Acorn Acorn.
Speedrun I do God God Purse/Hourglass Acorn/Earrings

unkempt pagoda Sep 18, 2020, 1:00 AM

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i switch to spearpoint in styx because ||EM hades is a really long fight||

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helps with poison, too

dry ember Sep 18, 2020, 1:01 AM

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True dat

unkempt pagoda Sep 18, 2020, 1:22 AM

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the way chilled popper shades look the exact same as normal shades

toxic vector Sep 18, 2020, 1:44 AM

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I can never make cast builds work man I just never get the boons

sacred idol Sep 18, 2020, 1:50 AM

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What's a good build for Rama

hard holly Sep 18, 2020, 2:09 AM

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So, how do the aspects actually unlock?

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Ive had 5 blood in rail and talked to Zeus repeatedly and he still hasnt told me the phrase

low lake Sep 18, 2020, 2:11 AM

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i think the old shields +5 toss was better when it activated in a 6point star, not a shotgun effect....

sacred idol Sep 18, 2020, 2:18 AM

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when you get epic attack speed from Hermes on Rama aspect: Stonks

toxic vector Sep 18, 2020, 2:40 AM

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@hard holly if you go to pinned section in #h1-story-discussion it tells you how to unlock the aspects

hard holly Sep 18, 2020, 2:40 AM

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Problem is that that doesnt seem to trigger

toxic vector Sep 18, 2020, 2:42 AM

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Not sure then once I unlocked the guan yu aspect i just did what was told in the message

sacred idol Sep 18, 2020, 2:43 AM

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I think that's just atrocious RNG

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okay, Chaos shield definitely feels worse

low lake Sep 18, 2020, 3:07 AM

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yeah

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it really is

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it much more of a shotgun effect rather than like a 6 shield circle special

idle oak Sep 18, 2020, 3:08 AM

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is there a way to reroll the starting god/boon? or is it the same every time you give up?

low lake Sep 18, 2020, 3:08 AM

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same every time

unkempt pagoda Sep 18, 2020, 3:08 AM

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use god keepsakes

low lake Sep 18, 2020, 3:08 AM

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at least after 4 attempts for me i gave up

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oh switch keepsakes

idle oak Sep 18, 2020, 3:08 AM

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how do sppedrunners keep seeds then?

low lake Sep 18, 2020, 3:08 AM

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go through

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give up

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switch keep sake

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reload

fierce raven Sep 18, 2020, 3:09 AM

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stand on spikes in teh first room until you die

unkempt pagoda Sep 18, 2020, 3:09 AM

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the same set of boons will be kept as well. so if you have an epic aphro cast, you can give up, switch to ares' keepsake, and get his epic cast

fierce raven Sep 18, 2020, 3:09 AM

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i've done that before

unkempt pagoda Sep 18, 2020, 3:09 AM

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(in the first room)

fierce raven Sep 18, 2020, 3:09 AM

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@unkempt pagoda interesting, didn't know that. could come in handy

dry ember Sep 18, 2020, 3:10 AM

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and you just learned how to save scum in Hades 😉

unkempt pagoda Sep 18, 2020, 3:11 AM

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i'm a dirty scoomer

cosmic jacinth Sep 18, 2020, 3:11 AM

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what is the new legendary aspect?

unkempt pagoda Sep 18, 2020, 3:11 AM

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if i ever see an epic cast, i immediately give up and switch to pos sword or hera

idle oak Sep 18, 2020, 3:17 AM

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Artemis legendary is the hardest one to get in the game. it's so unreliable to get

sacred idol Sep 18, 2020, 3:19 AM

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@low lake Not just that, the shotgun is too wide to hit things

mellow sierra Sep 18, 2020, 3:28 AM

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got a epic cast build rolling, festive fog, chill and instant recall of cast 😄

low lake Sep 18, 2020, 3:30 AM

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@sacred idol and they dont track or bounce like they used to either.... sadday for this shield buff.. like even the backwards throw used to bounce off a wall and hit someone in front of you

light mountain Sep 18, 2020, 3:31 AM

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hey so uh

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as a newish player how do i do better?

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wait wrong place

sacred idol Sep 18, 2020, 3:33 AM

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oh god, lmao, I triple defianced off charon just now

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@mellow sierra that's called a festive pog

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Does Charon's discount card last permanently, or just for that run?

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oof, died before I could even use it

gilded knoll Sep 18, 2020, 3:36 AM

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Just for the run

sacred idol Sep 18, 2020, 3:37 AM

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F

rare kayak Sep 18, 2020, 3:38 AM

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its cool especially if you have express delivery and no td

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usually means you can get the blood/diamond if you full clear styx

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actually with the new td you might still be able to full clear

low lake Sep 18, 2020, 3:41 AM

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just had a fun run

untold vortex Sep 18, 2020, 3:42 AM

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yo @low lake can you please post that in #self-promotion

low lake Sep 18, 2020, 3:43 AM

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oh yeah

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sorry

untold vortex Sep 18, 2020, 3:43 AM

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no worries

small stirrup Sep 18, 2020, 3:52 AM

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@light mountain Try understanding each weapon and what you seem to click with better than others. The sword and shield are my go to weapons since I'm extremely comfortable with its move-set. If you are the type who doesn't like to main a weapon, then make sure you understand each weapon's move-set extremely well. So for general tips, try getting better at timing dashes. Just spam dashing leaves you open for more attacks and can sometimes put you in an even worse spot (Such as in a trap). Make sure you understand each god's boon properties completely and DO NOT be afraid to experiment. Certain gods synergize extremely well with certain weapons while others do not. General rule of thumb, Artemis and status inflicting gods are extremely good on weapons that have a high attack rate (Like the sword or ||the fists||) Aphrodite is a good choice always since she gives a large damage increase and has extremely good duos with every god. You can use a bit of logic to know which boons are downright bad ideas on which weapons (Like Poseidon on short ranged melee weapons like the sword). Hope this helped in making your plights through the underworld a bit easier squirtnya

rare kayak Sep 18, 2020, 3:54 AM

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oh man

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i tried poseidon fists once

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heck

small stirrup Sep 18, 2020, 3:59 AM

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Oof

rare kayak Sep 18, 2020, 4:21 AM

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i lost a dd in tartarus and two in aspho

onyx parcel Sep 18, 2020, 4:39 AM

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Yooo lads any tips for fist?

dry ember Sep 18, 2020, 4:39 AM

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Yes.

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Put on Zeus Keepsake

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Find Lightning Strike

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The doom fists build that other guy mentioned is putting Doom (Ares attack) on the attack and get Divine Dash (Athena Dash) and lastly, get Merciful End.

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It's a very strong combo that sadly got nerfed in this new veriosn

onyx parcel Sep 18, 2020, 4:40 AM

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Nerfed as in balanced now or nerfed as in don’t use it

dry ember Sep 18, 2020, 4:41 AM

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nerfed as in balance

regal edge Sep 18, 2020, 4:41 AM

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Aspect of Demeter (12 hits = mega special punch), get +damage special boon (i.e. Demeter) or crit (Artemis) or Zeus, and game is v ez

dry ember Sep 18, 2020, 4:41 AM

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it used to be the end all be all of builds

potent ember Sep 18, 2020, 4:41 AM

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Any good builds for coronacht bow?

onyx parcel Sep 18, 2020, 4:41 AM

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What does lightning strike do

untold vortex Sep 18, 2020, 4:41 AM

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merciful end in the blood price update was one of, if not the best duo in the game

dry ember Sep 18, 2020, 4:41 AM

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Your attack spread to other enemies, add about 15 damage per strike

onyx parcel Sep 18, 2020, 4:42 AM

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Oh dang

dry ember Sep 18, 2020, 4:42 AM

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remember fists has 15 base damage, that essentially doubles your damage

regal edge Sep 18, 2020, 4:42 AM

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@potent ember personally i stick to aspect of chiron, homing special, and take special talents for +damage, it's very strong

dry ember Sep 18, 2020, 4:42 AM

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not to mention the aoe

onyx parcel Sep 18, 2020, 4:42 AM

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Maybe the olympians keepsakes ARE useful

regal edge Sep 18, 2020, 4:42 AM

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hera cast builds used to be good idk if still good

onyx parcel Sep 18, 2020, 4:42 AM

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They sound so bad

dry ember Sep 18, 2020, 4:42 AM

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They are used to force builds

onyx parcel Sep 18, 2020, 4:42 AM

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I had a good first day of playing

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Died plenty of times but got lucky finally

regal edge Sep 18, 2020, 4:43 AM

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Olympian Keepsakes are useful to try and force builds early

onyx parcel Sep 18, 2020, 4:43 AM

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Loving shield so far but I’ll try out fist

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So is the Olympian keepsake basically useless

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After ur first boon

dry ember Sep 18, 2020, 4:43 AM

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if you put it that way...

onyx parcel Sep 18, 2020, 4:44 AM

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That sounds underwhelming

dry ember Sep 18, 2020, 4:44 AM

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you use the keepsake to force a god and boon, that means a lot, actually

onyx parcel Sep 18, 2020, 4:44 AM

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If u don’t get what u want ur stuck with a useless keepsake for the first biome

small stirrup Sep 18, 2020, 4:44 AM

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I mean it isn't useless

dry ember Sep 18, 2020, 4:44 AM

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because some weapons synergy with some gods very well

onyx parcel Sep 18, 2020, 4:44 AM

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How many boons does each god have? Is it randomly selecting four out of all the boons?

dry ember Sep 18, 2020, 4:44 AM

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that one boon can be all the difference.

untold vortex Sep 18, 2020, 4:44 AM

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they also give a % chance to find a higher rarity boon

small stirrup Sep 18, 2020, 4:45 AM

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Guaranteeing a god in your run is super useful

untold vortex Sep 18, 2020, 4:45 AM

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*of that god

dry ember Sep 18, 2020, 4:45 AM

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I thnk you will appreciate it more if you play more and learn about boon/weapon combinations.

onyx parcel Sep 18, 2020, 4:45 AM

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God I love this name. “Boon”.

dry ember Sep 18, 2020, 4:45 AM

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it's hard to explain in words.

small stirrup Sep 18, 2020, 4:45 AM

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Some gods have more boons than others but they all usually follow a common boon selection

onyx parcel Sep 18, 2020, 4:45 AM

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Sounds cute

brisk cairn Sep 18, 2020, 4:45 AM

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I'd say most people's strat is biome 1: God keepsake, biome 2: different God keepsake that synergizes

onyx parcel Sep 18, 2020, 4:46 AM

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That sounds nice

dry ember Sep 18, 2020, 4:46 AM

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Yup. My default keepsake sequence is Olympian/Another Olympian/Acorn/Acorn

brisk cairn Sep 18, 2020, 4:46 AM

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The game also seems to offer you a God more often if you have a boon from a god

dry ember Sep 18, 2020, 4:46 AM

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for each biome

small stirrup Sep 18, 2020, 4:46 AM

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I usually run plume on Zag fists

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Its super fun

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Fists go brrr

brisk cairn Sep 18, 2020, 4:46 AM

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So not only does it define the first boon you see but also ups the odds of seeing that God again

onyx parcel Sep 18, 2020, 4:47 AM

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What is acorn

dry ember Sep 18, 2020, 4:47 AM

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Keepsake from Eurydice

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if you haven't met her yet, you will.

onyx parcel Sep 18, 2020, 4:47 AM

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What counts as the first boon?

small stirrup Sep 18, 2020, 4:47 AM

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The first... boon

onyx parcel Sep 18, 2020, 4:47 AM

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Not the one dropping right when u enter?

brisk cairn Sep 18, 2020, 4:47 AM

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Basically a boss keepsake. Allows you to take 5 free hits per boss

small stirrup Sep 18, 2020, 4:47 AM

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Oh yeah that countss

dry ember Sep 18, 2020, 4:47 AM

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no, it is

onyx parcel Sep 18, 2020, 4:48 AM

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Oh ok

brisk cairn Sep 18, 2020, 4:48 AM

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Sometimes you'll get a hammer

onyx parcel Sep 18, 2020, 4:48 AM

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So what does upgrading a lightning strike do

barren otter Sep 18, 2020, 4:48 AM

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more lightning damage

dry ember Sep 18, 2020, 4:48 AM

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more damage

onyx parcel Sep 18, 2020, 4:48 AM

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Because different rarities have different damage

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So upgrading with pom is the same as increasing rarity?

brisk cairn Sep 18, 2020, 4:48 AM

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Rarities generally just increases scaling

dry ember Sep 18, 2020, 4:49 AM

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yeah, rarity is like base damage, upgrades is more damage on top of that base damage

onyx parcel Sep 18, 2020, 4:49 AM

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Ahh

brisk cairn Sep 18, 2020, 4:49 AM

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So a white boon might be 40% extra damage and an epic version of that boon might be 70 or 80%

onyx parcel Sep 18, 2020, 4:49 AM

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So if I can get a lightning strike right out of the gate

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That’s basically really good

dry ember Sep 18, 2020, 4:49 AM

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exactly

brisk cairn Sep 18, 2020, 4:49 AM

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Also higher rarity boons scale more when you level up

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I think?

dry ember Sep 18, 2020, 4:49 AM

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that's actually not true

onyx parcel Sep 18, 2020, 4:50 AM

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Is my game bugged or something I equipped Athena keepsake earlier and the first boon was never Athena

brisk cairn Sep 18, 2020, 4:50 AM

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Thanks for calling me on that Fox, I wasn't sure

dry ember Sep 18, 2020, 4:50 AM

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np!

onyx parcel Sep 18, 2020, 4:50 AM

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Like the one dropping right in front of u

dry ember Sep 18, 2020, 4:51 AM

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it should. try again

onyx parcel Sep 18, 2020, 4:51 AM

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Aight thanks

dry ember Sep 18, 2020, 4:51 AM

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sometimes you can get a hammer

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but the next time you see a god boon, it will be Athena

regal edge Sep 18, 2020, 4:58 AM

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Spoiler Keepsake Discussion: ||at least on paper, Persephone Boon seems pretty good? at max rank, every 4 chambers gives you a random +1 pom upgrade. wonder if it gives +2 if you get the duo boon which makes all poms give +2...||

hearty elbow Sep 18, 2020, 5:00 AM

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I'd imagine it could get quite abusable with Hangover cores

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Provided you keep the levels when you unequip

fierce grail Sep 18, 2020, 5:42 AM

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Has anyone found the other keepsake?

plush iron Sep 18, 2020, 5:43 AM

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no

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my guess tho its gonna be like hopscotch from Bastion/ the ram head

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Or its probably from Hades himself

regal edge Sep 18, 2020, 5:45 AM

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second keepsake spoiler: ||from hades!||

plush iron Sep 18, 2020, 5:48 AM

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Oh cool

valid elm Sep 18, 2020, 6:16 AM

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did fists get nerfed?

small stirrup Sep 18, 2020, 6:20 AM

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Lmao not really

thorn jolt Sep 18, 2020, 6:48 AM

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I feel like I want all my blood refunded. I’m not sure I like the new chaos shield 😬

sharp shadow Sep 18, 2020, 6:52 AM

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Is the shield overpowered? I killed the ||Bone Hydra|| on my second try and made it all the way up to ||the first encounter with Minos|| on the same run

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I feel like I'm playing through the game too fast lol

dire wedge Sep 18, 2020, 6:53 AM

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chaos aspect is still good. just not overpowered good. we've been spoiled rotten by that thing

hearty elbow Sep 18, 2020, 6:56 AM

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I'm pretty sure it's a game breaking bug that Lambest Plume appears before Frostbitten Horn lol.

sharp rock Sep 18, 2020, 7:30 AM

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oof I feel like I got really sloppy and can't beat the game anymore squirtooh I was definitely coasting with chaos shield a lot

novel maple Sep 18, 2020, 7:51 AM

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Is there a particular weapon or build you could recommend for a beginner?

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or maybe even a beginner guide you can recommend?

somber cape Sep 18, 2020, 7:52 AM

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I only have about 70 hours in the game or so but, i think the Shield might be the most beginner friendly weapon

hearty elbow Sep 18, 2020, 7:53 AM

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Yeah, even post nerf, Chaos aspect is still likely the best beginner weapon

somber cape Sep 18, 2020, 7:54 AM

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Exact weapon and aspect i got my first clear on haha

novel maple Sep 18, 2020, 7:55 AM

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I haven't even bought the game yet. Just saw that the game got released on Switch yesterday

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Will definitely buy it though

hearty elbow Sep 18, 2020, 7:57 AM

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Oh, in that case, since it's not immediately obvious how to unlock weapon aspects, go for Twin Fist probably.

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It's probably the best base weapon

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Pretty much any non-Poseidon attack is great on it.

novel maple Sep 18, 2020, 8:00 AM

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Ok ty. I don't whether I will get the game right away (even though it makes sense since it's on sale with a 20% discount) but I also get the new Mario Collection today. Hades defnitely looks awesome and I also liked Bastion and Transistor

violet plover Sep 18, 2020, 8:37 AM

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Does anyone know how to get Bad News? The patch notes yesterday say they changed the requirements for it to be offered

vernal sentinel Sep 18, 2020, 8:40 AM

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Thought it said Asterius gave the final fist aspect but I fought him solo and he didn't give it to me. Any other info?

violet plover Sep 18, 2020, 8:42 AM

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he gave me the awakening words and i didn't even have the fists equipped

hearty elbow Sep 18, 2020, 8:42 AM

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You probably have to expend an x amount of dialogue to get to it

vernal sentinel Sep 18, 2020, 8:42 AM

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In the solo fight, right?

violet plover Sep 18, 2020, 8:42 AM

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yes

vernal sentinel Sep 18, 2020, 8:42 AM

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Alright guess ledger is right, gotta keep running through him

violet plover Sep 18, 2020, 8:44 AM

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oh the codex now tells you what you need to get offered a boon now, sweet

fossil elk Sep 18, 2020, 9:09 AM

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quick question, how do i get the new fist aspect? did a couple runs and nothing popped up, got everything else already

vernal sentinel Sep 18, 2020, 9:43 AM

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Gotta go into the solo asterius fight with five blood invested in the fist. Doesn't matter what weapon you're using, I got it just now using bow. But he'll tell you and then you can die to him to go back or just keep going

gusty dagger Sep 18, 2020, 10:32 AM

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Which cast boons work well with Hera bow? Dionysus, Artemis, what else?

ebon tinsel Sep 18, 2020, 10:34 AM

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Why is aspect of Poseidon considered good? It seems kinda bad to me

random hull Sep 18, 2020, 10:36 AM

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The bonus to cast damage is substantial, considering there are few boons that normally interact with cast damage. The dislodging is usable for Exit Wounds, although I tend to prefer non-sticky casts with Poseidon, like a Hunting Blade build.

ebon tinsel Sep 18, 2020, 10:38 AM

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Interesting thanks

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Any advice or example builds for it

random hull Sep 18, 2020, 10:46 AM

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Typically, you would like to go for a Duo Boon like Hunting Blades, Ice Wine and/or Scintillating Feast, Crystal Clarity or Blizzard Shot and line up your core boons to unlock them ASAP.

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It's really about relying on your cast to do most of the work.

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Having Hermes boons like Flurry Cast, Greater Recall or Bad News is a cherry on top.

ebon tinsel Sep 18, 2020, 10:48 AM

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Thanks for the Info

spark lotus Sep 18, 2020, 10:52 AM

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New fists dash-strike is sooo wide. It seems it’ll be a lot of fun with +60% spawn rate once I’m done with true ending

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And new fists aspect makes that every attack

hushed ledge Sep 18, 2020, 10:53 AM

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the new aspect is kinda nuts from my 1 run with it so far

dreamy marsh Sep 18, 2020, 10:53 AM

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how do i get duo boons?

surreal oracle Sep 18, 2020, 10:54 AM

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You need specific boons from both of the gods for their Duo

spark lotus Sep 18, 2020, 10:54 AM

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You find certain boons from both gods you want, there are requirements on which exactly you need, and then there’s a chance from both of them to get a duo

surreal oracle Sep 18, 2020, 10:55 AM

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For example, you'd need Zeus' Static Discharge and one of Demeter's Tier 1's for their Duo, Cold Fusion

spark lotus Sep 18, 2020, 10:57 AM

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New fists aspect is to be played with Ruthless Reflex, noice, just when I was thinking about it

hushed ledge Sep 18, 2020, 11:11 AM

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new aspect + greatest reflex is absurd burst damage, although hard to be safe with

clear dome Sep 18, 2020, 11:15 AM

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holy crap zag aspect with the boom spear is good

gusty dagger Sep 18, 2020, 11:25 AM

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@hushed ledge how do you build zag bow? I find it really boring

hushed ledge Sep 18, 2020, 11:25 AM

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I just build zag bow generically

pseudo kiln Sep 18, 2020, 11:25 AM

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@gusty dagger use it to spray status, i like ares on it

hushed ledge Sep 18, 2020, 11:25 AM

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you're just a ranged damage

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and yeah

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ares special is great with it

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you just sit back

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shoot

clear dome Sep 18, 2020, 11:25 AM

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aphro is decent with it too

hushed ledge Sep 18, 2020, 11:25 AM

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dash away

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shoot

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dash away
shoot

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etc

pseudo kiln Sep 18, 2020, 11:25 AM

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the bonus for it is that you have a literal spray can

hushed ledge Sep 18, 2020, 11:25 AM

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and slowly chip enemies down

pseudo kiln Sep 18, 2020, 11:25 AM

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in your special

gusty dagger Sep 18, 2020, 11:26 AM

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So the power of zag bow lies in the special?

hushed ledge Sep 18, 2020, 11:26 AM

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sorta?

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special is high utility

clear dome Sep 18, 2020, 11:26 AM

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nah, the attack with aphro is good

pseudo kiln Sep 18, 2020, 11:26 AM

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you should keep even a good boon on attack

clear dome Sep 18, 2020, 11:26 AM

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with attack, its best to build aphro, posi or artie

gusty dagger Sep 18, 2020, 11:26 AM

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I can see how it would be good with hammer upgrades but with boons i cant find anything special

pseudo kiln Sep 18, 2020, 11:27 AM

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but the area your special covers (if you get daedalus +4 arrows on special is unreal) it's its main strenght imho

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aphrodites or hares on special

gusty dagger Sep 18, 2020, 11:27 AM

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Does its critical affect special and cast?

pseudo kiln Sep 18, 2020, 11:27 AM

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and something high damage on attack

hushed ledge Sep 18, 2020, 11:27 AM

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the advantage of zag bow is that it's just all around solid

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it's probably the campiest aspect in the game though, up there with GY

pseudo kiln Sep 18, 2020, 11:28 AM

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gy...?

hushed ledge Sep 18, 2020, 11:28 AM

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spear 4th

gusty dagger Sep 18, 2020, 11:28 AM

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Spear hidden

pseudo kiln Sep 18, 2020, 11:28 AM

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oh yeah

clear dome Sep 18, 2020, 11:29 AM

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Rama is more campy imo

hushed ledge Sep 18, 2020, 11:30 AM

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fair, i haven't played much of it

clear dome Sep 18, 2020, 11:32 AM

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but then i camp with spear so i dont think my opinion is valid

hushed ledge Sep 18, 2020, 11:33 AM

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i do as well

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no td gang 😛

spark lotus Sep 18, 2020, 11:40 AM

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Seems like Swift Strike does not affect new Fists aspect much

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Should have taken Greatest Reflex dogehappy

hushed ledge Sep 18, 2020, 11:41 AM

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greatest reflex is nuts

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because you can do dash attack cancels so easily (just hold attack and hold dash lol)

spark lotus Sep 18, 2020, 11:54 AM

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After trying it myself, new aspect still feels quite sticky when dashing around the enemy, like any other melee weapon other than Zagreus fists

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But the crowd control in Styx is amazing

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Stunlock all the mouses

dreamy marsh Sep 18, 2020, 12:01 PM

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which one is the meta aspect for the rail

clear dome Sep 18, 2020, 12:03 PM

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depends on playstyle

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i prefer zag or lucy

turbid needle Sep 18, 2020, 12:12 PM

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what is the best weapon

hushed ledge Sep 18, 2020, 12:14 PM

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whichever one you're best with

turbid needle Sep 18, 2020, 12:16 PM

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The spear or Varatha is it the best

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because i feel its really useful

hushed ledge Sep 18, 2020, 12:16 PM

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spear is decent

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very campy

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you have to use the special a lot

turbid needle Sep 18, 2020, 12:16 PM

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im just new at Hades and totally naïve

hushed ledge Sep 18, 2020, 12:16 PM

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and sit right at the max range

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spear is going to be harder to play in later zones

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it's easy in tart

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but becomes (imo) super hard to play

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shield is the best weapon in general

turbid needle Sep 18, 2020, 12:17 PM

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yeah what is confusing that i made one run when i got huge upgrades. but forgot the path for that upgrade i did.

hushed ledge Sep 18, 2020, 12:17 PM

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blocking is busted, high mobility

turbid needle Sep 18, 2020, 12:17 PM

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does the upgrades operate on RNG basis or like i can control it

clear dome Sep 18, 2020, 12:18 PM

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spear is best with explosion

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and yes its rng based

turbid needle Sep 18, 2020, 12:18 PM

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ughh unfortunate.

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This might be the hardest rougelike game i ever played

hushed ledge Sep 18, 2020, 12:19 PM

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the rng is what gives the game so much replayability

clear dome Sep 18, 2020, 12:19 PM

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there are ways to force boons

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but it doesnt guarantee what boon will be available

hushed ledge Sep 18, 2020, 12:19 PM

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you will get upgrades that make it much easier as you play more

turbid needle Sep 18, 2020, 12:20 PM

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and its cool too ngl didn't expect so much dialogues. Im stupid didnt give it a chance

acoustic sapphire Sep 18, 2020, 12:21 PM

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just got that athena boon which makes it so you cant be stunned, but I'm not sure what counts as a stun. anyone able to help? D;

clear dome Sep 18, 2020, 12:21 PM

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stun means you cannot be staggered, i think

acoustic sapphire Sep 18, 2020, 12:22 PM

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gotcha

turbid needle Sep 18, 2020, 12:26 PM

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what makes new weapons drop at home ? more i play or more i reach further in runs ?

clear dome Sep 18, 2020, 12:28 PM

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a currency

turbid needle Sep 18, 2020, 12:29 PM

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gemstones or gold ?

spark lotus Sep 18, 2020, 12:33 PM

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you have to use the special a lot
@hushed ledge I personally like melee spear too, just plain spam attack. With right Daedalus it's joy to use

hushed ledge Sep 18, 2020, 12:34 PM

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I find it really hard to space well enough to be safe doing that

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Because spear is actually super low damage

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Ime

spark lotus Sep 18, 2020, 12:35 PM

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If you haven't yet, try Extending & Flurry Jab

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High RoF and reach

hushed ledge Sep 18, 2020, 12:35 PM

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I have tried it

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But if I'm already playing at that range, why not just go for a special/cast build that's more consistent and even safer

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Or at least that's how I feel

onyx parcel Sep 18, 2020, 12:36 PM

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Chat

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What goes good with twin fist

hushed ledge Sep 18, 2020, 12:37 PM

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A third fist

onyx parcel Sep 18, 2020, 12:37 PM

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Lightning strike and what else

hushed ledge Sep 18, 2020, 12:37 PM

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Athena attack

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Ares attack

spark lotus Sep 18, 2020, 12:37 PM

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Zeus if you don't want to abuse an insane duo, Ares+Athena if you do

onyx parcel Sep 18, 2020, 12:37 PM

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Should I use Zeus and Athena keepsake for the first two biomes

hushed ledge Sep 18, 2020, 12:37 PM

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Ares and Athena fists are solid alone

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This is attack boons for reference

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Imo it goes like
Athena > Ares > Zeus

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Although

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You can make Aphro work

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I'm just not a fan of Zeus fists tbf

onyx parcel Sep 18, 2020, 12:38 PM

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Are boons from gods randomized?

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Like randomly select 4 out of all?

solid cairn Sep 18, 2020, 12:39 PM

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ok so I haven't played in a while and what's good is not only subjective, but has probably changed a lot. Regardless, what do you think are the "best" aspects

hushed ledge Sep 18, 2020, 12:39 PM

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I'm a GY stan

solid cairn Sep 18, 2020, 12:39 PM

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guan yu slaps

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I love it

hushed ledge Sep 18, 2020, 12:39 PM

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I think even post nerf it's still incredibly strong and consistent

spark lotus Sep 18, 2020, 12:39 PM

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My personal favourites are Zagreus Fists & Zagreus Spear

hushed ledge Sep 18, 2020, 12:39 PM

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Zag sword feels absurd now ngl

solid cairn Sep 18, 2020, 12:40 PM

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wouldn't nemesis still be more fps

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dps

hushed ledge Sep 18, 2020, 12:40 PM

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Then you have to use the special :p

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Got a 16 heat win (it's what I'm playing to get the true ending stuff done) with flurry slash zag sword earlier

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You attack fast enough to stunlock enemies in FO2

solid cairn Sep 18, 2020, 12:41 PM

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hmm

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never thought I'd see the day where zag sword is viable

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I kinda had the impression it was supposed to not be good

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but I guess this is an indirect buff to new players

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the nice thing about GY is that there are 2 very effective ways to use it

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you can go for the spin or the special

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the spin is constant healing, but very hammer reliant

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the special build is massive damage

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I remember in like welcome to hell the chaos shield was dominant

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dont know how good it is now tho

onyx parcel Sep 18, 2020, 12:56 PM

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Imo it goes like
Athena > Ares > Zeus
@hushed ledge I thought u could only have one attack boon?

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How do u have both Athena and ares

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@spark lotus

keen saffron Sep 18, 2020, 12:56 PM

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I love the Chaos shield. Put the Ares special on it and it melts rooms

clear dome Sep 18, 2020, 12:57 PM

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aphro ares fist is good

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decent at least

spark lotus Sep 18, 2020, 12:59 PM

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@onyx parcel Ares attack and Athena dash, then their duo, if I understand you correctly

onyx parcel Sep 18, 2020, 12:59 PM

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Ohhhh

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It’s Athena dash

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Not Athena attack

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Why would Athena dash benefit fist?

spark lotus Sep 18, 2020, 1:00 PM

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Duo makes it so Athena dash immediately activates doom you put on foe with Ares attack

onyx parcel Sep 18, 2020, 1:01 PM

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Doom only deals damage when I hit it again?

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Does doom effect have a Cooldown or nah

spark lotus Sep 18, 2020, 1:01 PM

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No, it has timer, after which it deals damage

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In that build Athena dash basically negates that time making it tick as fast as you dash

onyx parcel Sep 18, 2020, 1:02 PM

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I thought it’s time based?

spark lotus Sep 18, 2020, 1:02 PM

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This build is broken, don't spoil yourself if you're new to the game :P

onyx parcel Sep 18, 2020, 1:03 PM

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Ha I don’t really care much about spoilers

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What does tier 1 mean under boons on the wiki?

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Says tier 1 curse delay 1.1 sec

spark lotus Sep 18, 2020, 1:03 PM

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It's not story spoiler, it's just very strong build, much stronger than anything else

onyx parcel Sep 18, 2020, 1:04 PM

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Didn’t it get nerfed

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This last patch

spark lotus Sep 18, 2020, 1:04 PM

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Not sure about it, I remember some changes have been made to Ares

onyx parcel Sep 18, 2020, 1:05 PM

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Do u know what the tier 1 descriptions mean on the wiki

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Under boons

untold vortex Sep 18, 2020, 1:05 PM

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Merciful End (Athena x Ares): adjusted requirements for this to be offered; slightly reduced damage

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that's from #hades-patch-notes

onyx parcel Sep 18, 2020, 1:07 PM

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How do I get a duo boon?

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What god gives a duo boon

untold vortex Sep 18, 2020, 1:08 PM

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they're boons with no pre-requisites

hushed ledge Sep 18, 2020, 1:08 PM

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I was saying my order of power level, not anything else

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So I'd take Athena attack over anything else

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Then Ares/Aphro over the next tier down

onyx parcel Sep 18, 2020, 1:08 PM

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Ah ok thx

hushed ledge Sep 18, 2020, 1:08 PM

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And so on

small gorge Sep 18, 2020, 1:09 PM

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@onyx parcel everygod have duo boon you just need to get the needle upgrade and a little lucky

onyx parcel Sep 18, 2020, 1:11 PM

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So any of the two gods can offer that duo boon?

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Does the room reward icon have any differences or is it the same

untold vortex Sep 18, 2020, 1:11 PM

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if you have the pre-requisite boons, yes

small gorge Sep 18, 2020, 1:12 PM

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its just the same and boom a special boon call duo boon come up

onyx parcel Sep 18, 2020, 1:12 PM

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Ah sick thank u

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I’m learning

untold vortex Sep 18, 2020, 1:13 PM

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no worries ^_^

solid edge Sep 18, 2020, 2:51 PM

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Just got a fantastic boon duo. Zeus's Wrath power + Aphrodite. Your wrath gauge is limited to 1 tick only, but it automatically refills every 5 seconds.

unkempt pagoda Sep 18, 2020, 2:53 PM

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it’s one of my favorites

valid locust Sep 18, 2020, 2:56 PM

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@solid edge wait til you get that with Aphrodite's call. Everybody is your friend.

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Smoldering Crater with Athena's call is great too.

hearty elbow Sep 18, 2020, 2:56 PM

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I might be misremembering, or I could be seriously flubbing the timing because I'm on FO-0 for now, but I just face tanked A LOT of Dad spins with Malphon. Do you retain your i-frames if you dash while attacking?

valid locust Sep 18, 2020, 2:57 PM

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You lose iframes after you attack

unkempt pagoda Sep 18, 2020, 2:57 PM

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dash attacking loses i frames

solid edge Sep 18, 2020, 2:57 PM

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Right now I'm rocking that boon duo + Aphrodite's special upgrades for Sword + extra range and damage for sword (Hammer upgrade) + Athena's bonus seeking arrows on all attacks.

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Feel like I'm going to slaughter.

hearty elbow Sep 18, 2020, 3:01 PM

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Oh, also I wasn't sure what to make of the fist Zag aspect "nerf". Did that aspect never actually have the perceived 15% damage boost? Or did they take it away.

unkempt pagoda Sep 18, 2020, 3:02 PM

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apparently it only ever applied to the first punch

hearty elbow Sep 18, 2020, 3:02 PM

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Man, I was placebo'ing pretty hard then. I'm sure I'm not the only one lol.

unkempt pagoda Sep 18, 2020, 3:02 PM

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so they just clarified it

pallid dagger Sep 18, 2020, 3:17 PM

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before i move ahead with what i was going to do,

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does anyone know if "strike"/basic attack upgrade boons are incompatible with Lucifer's Exagryph?

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it's been a weird amount of time since i got one

hearty elbow Sep 18, 2020, 3:19 PM

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dash strike ones behave very weirdly (unless they changed something) but normal attack boons should work as expect, minus Athena

unkempt pagoda Sep 18, 2020, 3:22 PM

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dash strike boons (i.e. hunter dash and chaos lunge) aren't available for lucifer

west dagger Sep 18, 2020, 3:23 PM

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so

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tell me that cursed slash is not op

small stirrup Sep 18, 2020, 3:23 PM

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It isn't dusa

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I hate it

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But that's my opinion

west dagger Sep 18, 2020, 3:24 PM

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2hp restore per successful hit for -60% max hp. have 2 h of playtime in the game and only got past the first boss in my first run. got cursed slash and beat 3 bosses in a row

hearty elbow Sep 18, 2020, 3:24 PM

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It's conditionally extremely good. Some pretty serious conditions though. Not applying on Dash Strike when that's like... all you want to do on Stygius is the biggest problem.

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I haven't tried the new Zag aspect yet but I highly doubt my opinion will change from the buff it got lol.

small stirrup Sep 18, 2020, 3:26 PM

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I swear, the attack speed increase is massive

pallid dagger Sep 18, 2020, 3:26 PM

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cursed slash is something that does not belong on a melee weapon

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too many enemies ready to chew your head off from fifty feet away for that

hearty elbow Sep 18, 2020, 3:26 PM

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lol what it's something that should ONLY ever go on a melee weapon

small stirrup Sep 18, 2020, 3:27 PM

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Yeah I agree with ledger

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Cursed on a ranged weapon would be absolute hell

pallid dagger Sep 18, 2020, 3:28 PM

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i kind of wish the whole health drain / low hp thing had been an ares thing and not a weapon thing

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i can make guan yu work cuz damn that firework special, but the sword...

hearty elbow Sep 18, 2020, 3:28 PM

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Maybe. I do hate that Cursed Slash makes Anvil trash tier on Stygius.

teal ether Sep 18, 2020, 3:29 PM

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So I have Athena boon right now that give 20% god gauge but I'm just wondering if that stacks with the item Aether Net from the shop which "Starts you with 15% God Gauge" or it just overwrites it

hearty elbow Sep 18, 2020, 3:29 PM

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Would entering the next room not instantly answer that question? thanthink

magic dagger Sep 18, 2020, 3:30 PM

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if you have a charge of call, they stack

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if not, it overwrites

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they definitely stack though, there's no way the devs would mess that up

ebon tinsel Sep 18, 2020, 3:33 PM

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should i invest in aspect of nemesis or poseidon for sword

hearty elbow Sep 18, 2020, 3:34 PM

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both are fun, nemesis is "better," but poseidon is fantastic for cast builds.

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Kind of apples or oranges though. The build paths are extremely divergent for those two

ebon tinsel Sep 18, 2020, 3:35 PM

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how does hera compare to poseidon

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i take it both are cast builds

unkempt pagoda Sep 18, 2020, 3:39 PM

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they work similarly

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hera specializes in burst damage, poseidon has its handy damage boost

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both have mechanics designed to get your casts back as quickly as possible

ebon tinsel Sep 18, 2020, 3:41 PM

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alright thanks a bunch for the info i think i prefer hera for cast and nemesis for crit, i appreciate the info!

unkempt pagoda Sep 18, 2020, 3:41 PM

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poseidon, of course, forces you to get in close to get your casts back, but it can get them back faster than hera can

ebon tinsel Sep 18, 2020, 3:42 PM

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yeah i like the idea of infusing shots with casts

untold quiver Sep 18, 2020, 4:15 PM

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I run Artemis with the blade and launch shots into everything and watch em die.....+exit wounds for bosses

Dio for Hera Bow every shot is a blast

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Achilles spear can also be a strong cast weapon,.......Blade rifts

tall gulch Sep 18, 2020, 4:17 PM

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Oh jesus the size of the hitbox of the new gloves is insane

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You legit hit behind you

calm glen Sep 18, 2020, 4:20 PM

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Had a crazy run yesterday using Malphon. I had Artemis’s strike along with a heartbreak flourish, plus 30% attack speed, as well as Athens’s call, dash, and divine shield. I had so much deflection and my weak effects were 24% more potent. Hades did less than 100 damage to me during our final battle.

velvet halo Sep 18, 2020, 4:22 PM

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I dislike Approval Process only because it shows you what your options would have been :/

gray lintel Sep 18, 2020, 4:25 PM

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so uh 2.25 crystal recharge, 3 cast crystals, and demeter beam cast with chill is fun

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with fourth gun aspect +

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the triple bomb

calm glen Sep 18, 2020, 4:36 PM

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Nice. Beam cast pairs well with the adamant rail

gray lintel Sep 18, 2020, 4:36 PM

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it's less me playing the game and more me watching 12 crystals laser everything into hyperdeath.

calm glen Sep 18, 2020, 4:37 PM

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First time I got the cluster bomb upgrade was fun. I had zeus’s aspect for my special and so for boss fights I’d drop on all five at once which did a ton of damage followed by five lightning bolts. Felt like a nuclear strike

gray lintel Sep 18, 2020, 4:38 PM

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oooh, bad news. cast does +50% damage to foes without any gems stuck in them. 👀

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the beams also last 8.8 seconds and inflict chill. sadly I don't have the one that makes chill enemies explode when they reach 10 stacks

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turns out that bosses die as quickly as players to a dozen gem crystal beams at once

calm glen Sep 18, 2020, 4:57 PM

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How’d you get 12 crystals again? I know you can get a boom that gives you more, probably also a curse of chaos, and you can buy one from a well of Charon.

somber cape Sep 18, 2020, 5:11 PM

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no sure if this is the place to ask but how much harder is Hell Mode compared to normal?

dry ember Sep 18, 2020, 5:11 PM

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It's complicated

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The game has a difficulty scaling option, let's say, for sake of demonstration, from 1 to 10.

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Normal mode starts at 1 and gradually go to 10

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Hellmode starts at 5 and then go to 10.

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The baseline diff is harder

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(yes for those who are familiar this is a oversimplification, but to avoid spoiler and other reasons, this is not a bad analogy).

somber cape Sep 18, 2020, 5:16 PM

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Ok thats give me some sort of an idea. I just wanted to hear some opinions since I don't often see a lot of people playing on hell mode so I was wondering if it makes the game a lot harder or not

magic dagger Sep 18, 2020, 5:17 PM

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to be more exact, hellmode starts with more enemies, who also hit harder and have more health, and you heal less
you can eventually turn on these options in normal mode, so it really doesn't make much difference

velvet halo Sep 18, 2020, 5:17 PM

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Two use the forge or not to use it?

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Vicious Skewer and Extending Jab atm

magic dagger Sep 18, 2020, 5:18 PM

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probably worth it
neither of those are amazing

velvet halo Sep 18, 2020, 5:18 PM

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I blame Approval Process

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Breaching skewer and massive spin from vicious skewer

magic dagger Sep 18, 2020, 5:20 PM

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breaching skewer is nice against elite summons
and massive spin is kind of hilarious, especially if you're using the dad spear

velvet halo Sep 18, 2020, 5:21 PM

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nah using mentor spear

onyx parcel Sep 18, 2020, 5:21 PM

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Chat

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Which fist aspect

velvet halo Sep 18, 2020, 5:24 PM

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wow ice wine is sooo much better since I last used it

dry ember Sep 18, 2020, 5:24 PM

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Look at the wiki

velvet halo Sep 18, 2020, 5:32 PM

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Got served up bloody by ||dad||

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not that good with the spear yet

untold quiver Sep 18, 2020, 5:33 PM

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Which spear?

velvet halo Sep 18, 2020, 5:33 PM

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I'm still learning which end is the pointy bit

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|| Achilles, Heat 2||

dry ember Sep 18, 2020, 5:34 PM

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Try Serrated Point squirtdevious

untold quiver Sep 18, 2020, 5:34 PM

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And you had ice wine? My man Ares /Artimis get some hunting blades and put them in the blender

velvet halo Sep 18, 2020, 5:35 PM

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will do

untold quiver Sep 18, 2020, 5:35 PM

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Serrated point, also crazy strong

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Did people ever reach a consensus on best cast for Beo shield? They all kinda"Feel" the same to me

magic dagger Sep 18, 2020, 5:38 PM

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no
everybody just kind of does their own thing

untold quiver Sep 18, 2020, 5:39 PM

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That's what I thought 🧐 it doesn't feel like there is a best one like some of the other cast weapons

magic dagger Sep 18, 2020, 5:39 PM

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trippy shot with stygian soul is good
anything else with infernal soul is also good

burnt sandal Sep 18, 2020, 5:43 PM

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hell mode used to force you to increase the difficulty every run, making it more unique, but for some reason that part was cut

untold quiver Sep 18, 2020, 5:44 PM

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Wait....what does hell mode do now? That seemed like kind of the whole point

burnt sandal Sep 18, 2020, 5:44 PM

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it just starts with a 5-heat setup that you can't turn off and has the pact of punishment unlocked from the start

untold quiver Sep 18, 2020, 5:45 PM

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Oh...well then

burnt sandal Sep 18, 2020, 5:46 PM

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i assume people complained about it being too hard, then it ended up being nerfed to the point of not actually being any harder outside of the very early game

untold quiver Sep 18, 2020, 5:46 PM

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Yeah, I would have liked to have seen something in the middle, like always having to up the heat could be a bit much, maybe not be able to lower it below you highest clear...I mean people reach a plateau

burnt sandal Sep 18, 2020, 5:49 PM

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if hell mode made the bounties be every 2 heat instead of every 1 that would make it impact the late-game difficulty a lot more

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giving a progression reason to play beyond 20 instead of just a self-imposed challenge

untold quiver Sep 18, 2020, 5:50 PM

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I admit I was a little concerned about the 4th aspects but they kinda blend in with the rest of them I like a couple don't like others

burnt sandal Sep 18, 2020, 5:51 PM

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maybe even give each step of the ending a minimum heat requirement on hell mode (though I don't think anyone's tested and confirmed this isn't the case)

untold quiver Sep 18, 2020, 5:52 PM

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It's kind of a moot point for me by the time they added it there was nonwaybinqas starting over lolol

burnt sandal Sep 18, 2020, 5:53 PM

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it's just kind of a vestigial feature now

cinder drum Sep 18, 2020, 6:02 PM

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is there any guide for how to unlock the hidden aspects?

untold quiver Sep 18, 2020, 6:02 PM

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@cinder drum I believe it's in the spoiler channel

magic dagger Sep 18, 2020, 6:02 PM

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yes

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check the pins in #h1-story-discussion

cinder drum Sep 18, 2020, 6:06 PM

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oooh thanks!

velvet halo Sep 18, 2020, 6:07 PM

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question regarding the final mirror upgrade... is there a cap/maximum? or infinite growth that becomes redundant?

reef galleon Sep 18, 2020, 6:16 PM

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You mean fated authority?

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It has a cap

velvet halo Sep 18, 2020, 6:16 PM

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yeah that and persuasion

reef galleon Sep 18, 2020, 6:16 PM

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I don't think there are any upgrades that just can be upped infinitely

velvet halo Sep 18, 2020, 6:17 PM

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yeah all the others I have maxed but that line is more expensive

magic dagger Sep 18, 2020, 6:21 PM

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it's expensive, yeah

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I think there are 10 levels of authority and 4 in persuasion?

velvet halo Sep 18, 2020, 6:21 PM

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just wanted to know if I was wasting my time dumping a load of darkness in it

magic dagger Sep 18, 2020, 6:21 PM

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might have changed in 1.0

velvet halo Sep 18, 2020, 6:21 PM

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I am on 4:2

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ag, 6:2

turbid halo Sep 18, 2020, 6:52 PM

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I haven't used fists since they were introduced - what are some good hammer upgrades boons for someone who doesn't know the first thing about punching people?

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Hammer upgrades / boons *

unkempt pagoda Sep 18, 2020, 6:52 PM

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long knuckle, concentrated knuckle, breaching cross

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zeus for attack

dreamy marsh Sep 18, 2020, 6:52 PM

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eris aspect for the rail is soooo fun

turbid halo Sep 18, 2020, 6:53 PM

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Oh so knuckle is a fast-attacking thing

unkempt pagoda Sep 18, 2020, 6:53 PM

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yep

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special is a big attack, so use damage modifier gods on it

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fists are unique in that they have a dash special in addition to a dash attack. the dash attack is a fast wide swing, the dash special is a short version of the special

calm glen Sep 18, 2020, 7:01 PM

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Currently deleting enemies with my special. I’ve got aspect of Chiron with swift flourish, relentless volley, concentrated volley, and heartbreak flourish; all this applies after I’ve knocked away and ruptured them with my primary attack

turbid halo Sep 18, 2020, 7:09 PM

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Was Chaos Aspect shield nerfed at some point? I remember hearing something about a shield nerf a while back but I don't know what it was

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I certainly don't feel it

regal edge Sep 18, 2020, 7:11 PM

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The way that the Chaos Shields fly around is noticeably different now. I think they sort of shotgun out from your location to your cursor and don't auto-track as well as before (where previously they'd sorta instantly track onto enemies).

small stirrup Sep 18, 2020, 7:12 PM

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Well guys I finally got the new fists. Any build suggestions before I take it for a spin?

regal edge Sep 18, 2020, 7:13 PM

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Athena Dash 🙂 you actually take more damage so either don't get hit or don't spam maim too much

small stirrup Sep 18, 2020, 7:13 PM

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The new maim feature, does the damage over time apply status affects?

turbid halo Sep 18, 2020, 7:15 PM

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Ah, I see. The new pattern is actually better for me - they still track enough that i don't feel like I'm whiffing all the time, plus I generally take Aphrodite's keepsake and wind up trying to get her legendary

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So shotgunning bosses with most of the shields means they attack me half as often

regal edge Sep 18, 2020, 7:17 PM

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yeah going off of feel, it seems like pre-patch, it didn't really matter where I was targeting with the Chaos Shield special, only my main shield would fly towards my cursor and then bonus shields would fly out and track onto enemies. Now, main shield and bonus shields fly towards my cursor, with the bonus shields having slight tracking.

iron shale Sep 18, 2020, 7:50 PM

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so what are some fast builds

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to get through the game

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just wanna reach the end

dry ember Sep 18, 2020, 7:50 PM

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Nemesis Sword, Hunter Dash, Deadly Strike, spam Dash Strike

magic dagger Sep 18, 2020, 7:51 PM

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dad spear, hunter dash, serrated point

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or, better, ||GY||, hunter dash, serrated point

iron shale Sep 18, 2020, 7:51 PM

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ok thx

dry ember Sep 18, 2020, 7:52 PM

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GY with Massive Spin and Deadly Strike also works, not as fast though

magic dagger Sep 18, 2020, 7:52 PM

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and with nemesis you want double edge

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charged skewer with GY is also decent

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if you're running with the basic sword, just get every athena boon

dry ember Sep 18, 2020, 7:54 PM

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Basic Sword is "fast," but not fast.

regal edge Sep 18, 2020, 7:57 PM

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Personally, Demeter Fists is my favorite aspect (or close to it). Really enjoy a crit build for an effective One-Punch Man cosplay haha

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(it's very fast assuming you don't die)

dreamy marsh Sep 18, 2020, 8:01 PM

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which boons would u guys recommend for eris rail

small stirrup Sep 18, 2020, 8:02 PM

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I wouldn't recommend Eris Rail

regal edge Sep 18, 2020, 8:02 PM

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Also is it just me or is Spear easily the "worst" weapon? Sword overall is very strong for fast-clearing builds (all aspects are strong); Shield gets carried by Chaos Shield existing even post-nerf, Bow has meme cast build + super strong Chiron build; Fists are overall strong but Demeter carries; Rail has Hestia for the sweet reload-spam. But Spear, I look at all of them and I'm like "meh".

fluid stag Sep 18, 2020, 8:03 PM

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the hidden aspect spear is decent

regal edge Sep 18, 2020, 8:03 PM

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I feel like I can only speedrun with spear if I get the "you can't spin but holding attack spams jabs" Daedalus upgrade early + demeter attack boon or some other stacking/fast-attack boon or something.

fluid stag Sep 18, 2020, 8:03 PM

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but yes the rest feel underwhelming

regal edge Sep 18, 2020, 8:03 PM

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like I can clear with Spear but it's not fast

dreamy marsh Sep 18, 2020, 8:03 PM

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just spam the attack button instead

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i love the spear even tho its perfectly meh in all aspects

regal edge Sep 18, 2020, 8:03 PM

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unless they nerfed it I thought the Daedalus upgrade attacks faster?

dreamy marsh Sep 18, 2020, 8:03 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

regal edge Sep 18, 2020, 8:03 PM

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at least it feels that way

dreamy marsh Sep 18, 2020, 8:04 PM

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it prolly is that way, but im saying u dont rlly need that upgrade

regal edge Sep 18, 2020, 8:04 PM

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even cutting down backswing time by like 50% is a massive DPS increase

dreamy marsh Sep 18, 2020, 8:04 PM

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oh also

void fjord Sep 18, 2020, 8:04 PM

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spear is something i feel like you need to get used to

small stirrup Sep 18, 2020, 8:04 PM

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I think my weakest weapon would be the bow for me

dreamy marsh Sep 18, 2020, 8:04 PM

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try spamming throw and recall

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its fun

small stirrup Sep 18, 2020, 8:04 PM

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Spear is super fun though

void fjord Sep 18, 2020, 8:05 PM

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my weakest weapon is the sheild

regal edge Sep 18, 2020, 8:05 PM

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I don't hate Spear, I just think it's super slow

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I think my first full clear was on Spear

void fjord Sep 18, 2020, 8:05 PM

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nice

regal edge Sep 18, 2020, 8:05 PM

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But it just feels underwhelming, idk

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All the Aspects are kinda boring

void fjord Sep 18, 2020, 8:05 PM

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i spear upgrade ill always love is triple dash attack

regal edge Sep 18, 2020, 8:05 PM

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except maybe Guan Yu but I haven't tried it in a while since the health penalty = bleh

void fjord Sep 18, 2020, 8:05 PM

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it sounds boring, but the aspects are rly good imo

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guan yu is really good

regal edge Sep 18, 2020, 8:06 PM

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ye I remember when it first came out it was super punishing on the health so they had to buff it lol

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idk I'll give it another run then with Guan Yu, I just feel like all the other aspects of spear end up playing basically the same way

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sometimes i forget which aspect of spear i have on kuz it devolves into "what boon do i have that i end up spamming" instead

dreamy marsh Sep 18, 2020, 8:07 PM

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I wouldn't recommend Eris Rail
@small stirrup why not? i love its close range playstyle

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i also play on the switch so reload spamming isnt easy

regal edge Sep 18, 2020, 8:07 PM

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like if you run Hestia Rail it fundamentally changes how you play with the Rail compared to other aspects

small stirrup Sep 18, 2020, 8:07 PM

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I never really hit off with I guess

void fjord Sep 18, 2020, 8:07 PM

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the only requirement for 4th aspect though, is that you should upgrade it fully

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yea hestia rail with zeus attack is godly

brittle vault Sep 18, 2020, 8:08 PM

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have you guys tried the new fists aspect yet?

void fjord Sep 18, 2020, 8:09 PM

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no, i started a new save

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so everything's reset for me lol

turbid halo Sep 18, 2020, 8:09 PM

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I'm using magnetic fists, the pull has a ton of range dang

void fjord Sep 18, 2020, 8:09 PM

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the fists are for close range

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no long range

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i think thats why i cld never i get into talos

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demeter aspect will always be OP with aphro or arty special

regal edge Sep 18, 2020, 8:11 PM

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Just get the Daedalus Hammer upgrade which extends range and turns your fists into the spear (effectively) 🙂

void fjord Sep 18, 2020, 8:11 PM

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long knuckles

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they decreased the dmg in it

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from 20 to 10

regal edge Sep 18, 2020, 8:11 PM

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Was it like +20% before? Now it's +10%

void fjord Sep 18, 2020, 8:12 PM

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ye

regal edge Sep 18, 2020, 8:12 PM

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tbh I like it since it allows me to easier multi-hit enemies to spam Demeter SPecial

void fjord Sep 18, 2020, 8:12 PM

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ye

regal edge Sep 18, 2020, 8:12 PM

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very nice that hitting multiple enemies with one regular attack = multiple counting towards the 12-special trigger

void fjord Sep 18, 2020, 8:12 PM

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hitting multiple enemies is so nice to charge the special

regal edge Sep 18, 2020, 8:12 PM

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the +10 damage is just a cherry on top

void fjord Sep 18, 2020, 8:13 PM

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i would abuse that with numbskulls, then one shot all other enemies

regal edge Sep 18, 2020, 8:13 PM

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the worst feeling though is when Shieldy-boy in Elysium blocks ur uppercut special 😦

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you dash through him and he's got the reaction time of a god and turns around to block ur x5 uppercut feelsbadman

void fjord Sep 18, 2020, 8:14 PM

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yea, but just dash through and then hit them

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lol kust be speed

regal edge Sep 18, 2020, 8:15 PM

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special shoutout to Theseus randomly blocking my uppercuts too

void fjord Sep 18, 2020, 8:15 PM

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lol

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you want to know whats a rly op daedalus hammer upgrade for shield?

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the one where you shoot out instead of doing the bull rush

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that shot pierces everything

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even shields

regal edge Sep 18, 2020, 8:16 PM

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huh i usually skip that one tbh, i use bull rush to reposition when spamming chaos shield

void fjord Sep 18, 2020, 8:16 PM

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u essentially become a turret

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block everything

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shoot

regal edge Sep 18, 2020, 8:16 PM

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is there low backswing downtime so you can go back to blocking immediately?

void fjord Sep 18, 2020, 8:16 PM

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block again

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ye

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its almost instantaneous. hence why its so OP

regal edge Sep 18, 2020, 8:17 PM

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will try that upgrade next time it's offered i guess, i just felt like i always use bull rush to move around the map faster for speedruns

void fjord Sep 18, 2020, 8:17 PM

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i got a dumb run with it today

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ill put in victory boasting

regal edge Sep 18, 2020, 8:18 PM

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block a volley + dash into enemies, close-range special = shield returns faster, charge up again

void fjord Sep 18, 2020, 8:18 PM

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if u get explosive shot and twin shot on the bow

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it becomes a melee build

regal edge Sep 18, 2020, 8:21 PM

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also complete change of subject but is there any "consensus" or thoughts as to what option people take from Eury?

void fjord Sep 18, 2020, 8:22 PM

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it depends rly on what boons you have

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i am biased towards to ambrosia delight

regal edge Sep 18, 2020, 8:22 PM

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Back when I first started playing I always took the +4 random 1 levels; then I started taking next 3 upgrades have better rarity if I had the -3 Talents Pact activated, now I bounce between +3 upgrades versus +2 Rarity if I have some super strong attack/special boons I want to RNG

void fjord Sep 18, 2020, 8:22 PM

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ii bounce between the first 2 options

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that she offers

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well gn

regal edge Sep 18, 2020, 8:23 PM

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👋

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see ya!

void fjord Sep 18, 2020, 8:23 PM

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c ya

dusk moss Sep 18, 2020, 8:31 PM

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Do "Lunge" Chaos boons affect Dash-Upper?

onyx parcel Sep 18, 2020, 8:39 PM

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Don’t see why not

magic dagger Sep 18, 2020, 8:43 PM

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@slender ridge Boiling Blood doubles the damage of all hits you take while it's active

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very similar to your own boiling blood perk

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phase 2 has more aggressive attacks. if his spear floats and starts spinning around, walk right up close to the boss. the attack will not damage you.
if a white circle appears, run then dash perpendicularly to the boss. if you time it right, you will escape the aoe. if you time it really well, you can dash in any direction you want because i-frames

turbid halo Sep 18, 2020, 8:48 PM

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I really do not feel like I understand Guan Yu spear

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Are you supposed to build around the spin or just use that as a healing source when it's safe?

magic dagger Sep 18, 2020, 8:49 PM

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clear urns. do not stand on them when they detonate

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@turbid halo you can do either

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if you get quick spin and massive spin, it'll deal a lot of damage

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usually, though, I try to get charged skewer or serrated point, then spam special or dash-strikes respectively

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athena attack is probably best regardless of your build. you want hunter dash if you're running serrated point

onyx parcel Sep 18, 2020, 8:55 PM

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Yooo I’m here to ask if anyone has some resources on boss guides

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Move sets and strategies etc

regal edge Sep 18, 2020, 8:55 PM

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which one specifically?

onyx parcel Sep 18, 2020, 8:56 PM

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Biome 3 and final boss, a bit more than the others

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But anything is appreciated really

fading bluff Sep 18, 2020, 8:56 PM

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isn't boiling blood 1.5x

regal edge Sep 18, 2020, 8:56 PM

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Writing down a few top-of-my-head tips

fading bluff Sep 18, 2020, 8:57 PM

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unless you meant redacted's

sullen valley Sep 18, 2020, 8:58 PM

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Hey wait a minute, I’ve noticed that when calling upon Artemis, Theseus’s swing becomes green. Does he actually gain the effects of the god he summons?

fading bluff Sep 18, 2020, 8:58 PM

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yes

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as of 1.0

sullen valley Sep 18, 2020, 8:58 PM

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That’s a little scary to note.