do you know what is better?
#h1-builds-and-combat
static jacinth
Doom is way less fun.
dry ember
thats like your opinion man
void fjord
I disagree, get doom on a weapon with fast attacks and get the stackable doom boon and you can get a lot of damage
dry ember
there isnt much to disagree though
doom can be fun for some, not so for others
hence they are opinions
serene phoenix
anybody know the highest possible movement speed?
main osprey
Very >:3
serene phoenix
like what would you use to get it
hearty elbow
Plume
narrow rampart
Uhh, just got offered delta chamber while using Aspect or Hestia
Haven't chosen it yet
Is this normal? How does this work?
serene phoenix
Plume + Zag Sword + Hermes?
narrow rampart
Does the shot thing apply to the enti-- laaaame
static jacinth
You still get the one boosted shot.
narrow rampart
why would anyone pick that lmfao
static jacinth
If they wanted it I suppose.
hearty elbow
Yeah to my knowledge that's the fastest you can go
unkempt pagoda
(delta is a trap regardless of aspect)
narrow rampart
^
static jacinth
I don't hate it. Removing reloads is nice sometimes.
hearty elbow
But you don't really remove reloads, you just have a ton of baby reloads every 3 shots
You don't have to push the button, sure
unkempt pagoda
an overall dps loss for a minor convenience, eh
it's better to learn to play with reloads than to rely on delta imo
static jacinth
It really should be an overall dps gain.
I like the no reloads one on Lucy aspect though.
unkempt pagoda
i'm still holding out that they're gonna bring back cooling chamber
hearty elbow
I started playing without Eternal Chamber, in favor of the piercing one or the quick/range one
I actually much prefer it
unkempt pagoda
cooling chamber being a cut hammer that reloaded 4(?) ammo every time you dashed
main osprey
Huh
unkempt pagoda
also, eternal chamber on lucy is good bc it doesn't have weird strings attached to it lol. imagine if instead it was infinite except every second your lazer beam turned off
gleaming current
Tbh one way to rework delta chamber is to let dash strikes have triple shot as well
main osprey
Wait they don't??
gleaming current
Rn it just kinda farts fourth round after regular trio
serene phoenix
anybody use zagreus sword or is nemesis just better?
unkempt pagoda
rework delta chamber by replacing it with cooling chamber 😛
hearty elbow
Nemesis is better in almost every way yes
gleaming current
Nemesis is almost objectively better indeed
unkempt pagoda
zag sword is eh, imo it's the worst aspect, period
hearty elbow
It can still use Merciful End lol. So it's not AS BAD as it could be.
It's just awful because Nemesis does everything better
serene phoenix
does movement speed stack like I think it should?
gleaming current
Could definitely stretch it to like 35 with some luck
main osprey
I've gotten 33 from plume
unkempt pagoda
or, well, ig you want greater movement, second wind, and hyper sprint
hearty elbow
Heroic Hyper Sprint is 125, Heroic Greater Haste is 49
serene phoenix
125+52.5+49 from hermes + 35 plume + 25 sword + 20+20+20 from 3 ichors
346.5%
gotta go fast
hearty elbow
Good luck in Asphodel :3
unkempt pagoda
i think that'd be fast enough to counteract lava's slowing properties lol
puller auras? nah
serene phoenix
what's the max amount of chaos boons you can have
unkempt pagoda
how many gates can you go through
main osprey
Max 1 per 8 rooms, I think not including finding Ixions
And can't get them once you've passed halfway into Elysium
gleaming current
It'd be pretty tricky to get 2 hermes boons before euridyce
unless.. rare crop ig
unkempt pagoda
just build demeter so you can get rare crop and her call (for second wind)
not only can you zoom, everything else can't
hearty elbow
lol
gleaming current
Now that's just mean 
dry ember
why would anyone pick [Delta Chamber] lmfao
top 10 questions science still can't answer
gleaming current
In fact
I knew it was bad and picked up anyway
serene phoenix
Does Demeter's Killing Freeze activate Privileged Status on its own?
hearty elbow
T'would be sick though
unkempt pagoda
decay isn't a proper Status Curse™️
fallow niche
@turbid needle How do you feel about Double Edge on Nem Sword?
turbid needle
It's its best Hammer.
hearty elbow
It's a 260% base damage multiplier lol
turbid needle
By a very wide margin.
turbid needle
Can I get a shakey eyes reaction?
turbid needle
Yes.
I used to run World Splitter for a long time and then Haelian suggested Double Edge and wow there's a huge difference.
fallow niche
World splitter only works on awkward attacks while standing still
turbid needle
Still hoping the Dash-Strike window is tightened/cleaned.
fallow niche
Yeah same
The dichotomy of attacks vs dash attacks is overbearing to say the least
It makes World Splitter bad and DE way too good
dry ember
Dash Strike spam on Nemesis (or non-Arthur sword in general) is a soft exploit. Change my mind.
hearty elbow
lol
turbid needle
Every weapon can do it.
hearty elbow
I'd consider it more exploitive if the base attacks for non-Arthur did... anything
turbid needle
Besides Coronacht.
narrow rampart
double edge is good on Arthur too methinks
turbid needle
It totally is.
fallow niche
Dash strike spam on zag sword isn't nearly as good
hearty elbow
It's fine. I'd much rather have breaching slash or greater consecration but yeah double edge is fine
fallow niche
Its specifically Nem sword + DE, the double scaling is nutso
turbid needle
I'm with Ledger, Stygius's base combo being so bad (inarguably the worst standing attack in the game, change my mind) only exacerbates the issue.
fallow niche
^^^^
narrow rampart
rip
turbid needle
Very slow and very low damage.
turbid needle
Knockback is a detrimental mechanic in Hades design, change my mind.
Almost always simple hitstun is better than hitstun+knockback.
fallow niche
Sort of, it can work but the problem is that it only works in specific places. Its extremely detrimental in Asphodel for example
hearty elbow
So it's not so much that dash striking is a Stygius "exploit," it's more that you have to do it because to do anything else would be like showing up to a sword fight with a pool noodle
dry ember
Sea storm is the only thing that saves knockback builds
narrow rampart
choronact sea storm ayyy
fallow niche
If they nerf dash strikes on Stygius then it really will be the worst weapon 
narrow rampart
man, Poseidon boons suck
valid locust
Knockback is great in stix
hearty elbow
Lol, yeah Poseidon not great
dry ember
Im speculating, but it's not a stretch to say that Dash Strike spam was not how the devs envision how you should play the sword
hence an exploit
fallow niche
Anyway, I will say that Nem + DE is too strong atm. Not sure what part of it deserves a nerf though, probably the sword itself and not the hammer
hearty elbow
@dry ember I have to believe they used Zag sword at least once and had to have thought "this can't be right"
dry ember
man, Poseidon boons suck
Curse of Drowning says otherwise
narrow rampart
I feel like base sword combo should be a bit stronger than base fist combo, if we're to compare with other melee weapons
fallow niche
That's an Ares boon 
@dry ember
dry ember
xD
narrow rampart
Curse of Drowning says otherwise
@dry ember that's a Poseidon/are-- ninjad
main osprey
man, Poseidon boons suck
Someone hasn't heard of Sea Storm Super Soaker
narrow rampart
his duos are great
main osprey
which relies upon a Poseidon boon
narrow rampart
but jeez
hearty elbow
that build soooo fun hahaha
narrow rampart
Someone hasn't heard of Sea Storm Super Soaker
@main osprey oh I have, it's my go to choronact build
fallow niche
Sea Storm is a Zeus boon
turbid needle
Only viable solo Poseidon build is Aspect of Poseidon.
hearty elbow
It's still trash, don't get me wrong, but it's extremely fun trash
fallow niche
Lmao schpoon is right
narrow rampart
lmfao
narrow rampart
high heat runs, I assume
main osprey
@dry ember
hearty elbow
Can I take this to reasonably high heat and have it function
narrow rampart
@dry ember
hearty elbow
Somewhere in the neighborhood of 38-40
main osprey
ninja'd, Twi >:3
valid locust
Problem with high heat is tight deadline.
narrow rampart
dammit
dry ember
Problem with high heat is high heat
turbid needle
You don't have to run TD in high Heat.
narrow rampart
ngl tho i love his base boons
hearty elbow
Before you "have" to take either AP/RI or JS/CP/DC depending on build
valid locust
It restricts build too much.
turbid needle
Eventually it will creep in.
fallow niche
Everything is viable, I'm just talking about going FAST
valid locust
That was a terrible idea.
fallow niche
https://i.imgur.com/LEYF5GS.jpg @turbid needle practice run
narrow rampart
lmao toki
hearty elbow
Honestly, yeah, everything is viable for the most part
valid locust
Im trying to dash strike with fists
turbid needle
Interesting.
hearty elbow
If you start adding qualifiers like "at 45 heat" or higher, then we have real conversations lol
valid locust
And you push them away like they dont love you.
turbid needle
Dash-Striking with Fists is easy, you get in range, hold down Attack, then press Dash twice every few seconds.
narrow rampart
it be like dat
valid locust
I like poseidon boons a lot.
turbid needle
Oh, wait, you mean with Tempest Strike.
valid locust
They do a good job of controlling the pace of a room.
hearty elbow
Tempest Strike with fists is its own challenge run
dry ember
you know, I am continually amazed at how far people have been pushing heat
valid locust
TD is the only thing keeping me away from it.
narrow rampart
Poseidon was my favourite starting out because pushing enemies away was really helpful as I was just learning the ropes of the game
fallow niche
It will reach max heat soon enough
I will be attempting max heat soon
57 or w/e it is
main osprey
58, I think
turbid needle
Godspeed.
dry ember
32 heat last month was like a relatively rare achievement
fallow niche
58 is hell I think
dry ember
now everyone clears40 like nothing
main osprey
I mean...
fallow niche
I play on 32 heat regularly since I like the texture of gameplay it provides
fallow niche
57 is just cancer
narrow rampart
BRUH HOW YALL CLEARING HIGH HEAT
hearty elbow
32 heat is my favorite to play at yolo
fallow niche
But I will do it
main osprey
xD
narrow rampart
Game got harder for me after the update
dry ember
some exaggeration applied
narrow rampart
And y'all doin 50ish heat runs
turbid needle
I have 7 32 Heat clears.
hearty elbow
Which is in and of itself a crazy statement considering the history of heat people were running
turbid needle
I will not complete another, nor any higher.
I'm capping at 15 or 20 from here on out.
dry ember
@narrow rampart Just bite the bullet and die a lot
valid locust
Im gettinf close to 16.
narrow rampart
i do be dyin a lot ngl
valid locust
After that 4 more runs to clear titan bloods and then 32.
narrow rampart
same toki
dry ember
then you are more than half way there 😄
narrow rampart
God I still suck ass with Rama
valid locust
I dont like rama at all
narrow rampart
I was so excited for the 4th bow aspect too 
hearty elbow
My favorite weapon ❤️
valid locust
But its better than Talos
fallow niche
bows are icky
narrow rampart
Bow is my favourite weapon too
valid locust
Talos literally doesnt do anything
narrow rampart
but fudge, Rama is difficult
turbid needle
Well that's just not true.
hearty elbow
I meant Rama in particular, the other bow aspects are... lacking
valid locust
Talos being kinda wack makws me sad.
narrow rampart
wait which one was Talos
valid locust
The magnet fists
hearty elbow
I like Zag aspect, it's fine. Chiron feels like it "should" be fun but the special takes a couple of millenia to finish casting
dry ember
can you get flurry shot with rama?
turbid needle
You can fit in up to three Specials per mark.
hearty elbow
No
valid locust
I love Chiron
fallow niche
best bow is zag bow change my mind
dry ember
dang, it would be so busted lol
fallow niche
BIG numbers
valid locust
You mail death at people
narrow rampart
Chiron is my fav
turbid needle
You see that 49 Heat clear with Zag Bow?
narrow rampart
Especially with the +4 arrows in special and Demeter boons
fallow niche
No I didn't but nice
hearty elbow
There are 2 bow 49's, one today with Zag and mine a couple of days ago with Rama
turbid needle
Nice!
fallow niche
Bow is fine for high heat, being ranged is a huge plus
valid locust
Where's the rama one?
narrow rampart
holy heck how did you do 49 with Rama
valid locust
I'd like to see that.
narrow rampart
Bruh link me pls
fallow niche
by not getting hit probably
hearty elbow
@fallow niche You'd be surprised. Rama is most successful as a shotgun lol
fallow niche
pfft now that I'd like to see
hearty elbow
Up close and personal like
narrow rampart
yeah i tried using it as a shotgun
valid locust
Think its the only weapon I havent taken to the surface.
narrow rampart
by not getting hit probably
But this ended up being difficult
hearty elbow
The video is in #h1-high-heat-strategies sticky google doc. I get Explosive Shot in Elysium and I start playing in melee range after that
narrow rampart
noice, will check it out
gleaming current
It's a 260% base damage multiplier lol
@hearty elbow pretty late, but it's only 2x multiplier and +30% bonus dmg, from what I measured
Still insane
valid locust
Fortunately Demeter gloves are godlike.
hearty elbow
The 200% is from hitting twice. The base damage is altered by 30%
narrow rampart
Demeter gloves are pog
hearty elbow
So if you hit twice for 130
gleaming current
It's rather a 30% bonus
valid locust
Demeter Gloves + explosive buff
hearty elbow
260%
gleaming current
So it'd stack additively with the rest
turbid needle
Crits are a 3x multiplier.
hearty elbow
That's not how hammers work
narrow rampart
with aphro dash, dio attack, and artemis special
hearty elbow
Hammers apply multiplicative bonuses
valid locust
Streets of Rage Grand Uppers all over the place.
valid locust
How does the damage math work?
dry ember
I hope they change fully loaded to something that increases your crit to 5x instead
hearty elbow
Hammers, Chaos, and Crit are multipliers, everything else adds into the same bucket
dry ember
name it coup de grace
narrow rampart
5x crit oof
unkempt pagoda
just give every god another legendary, like how pos has 2
narrow rampart
oh you meant crit damage
valid locust
Give artemis a legendary
fallow niche
Fully loaded used to be good
static jacinth
It's still just fine.
unkempt pagoda
every god has 2 sides to their tree anyways, why not give one for both sides
turbid needle
Fully Loaded is still fine.
fallow niche
Then they nerfed it into the absolute dirt
valid locust
What did it used to do
dry ember
@valid locust bless
fallow niche
Its so silly how hard it is to get
dry ember
It used to give 3
unkempt pagoda
fully loaded isn't terrible lol
static jacinth
It's just fine.
fallow niche
It used to give 3 and only require one tier 2 boon
narrow rampart
GIVE 👏 ARES 👏 A 👏 DOOM 👏 LEGENDARY 👏
valid locust
Fully loaded is just okay
fallow niche
I haven't seen Fully loaded in months
dry ember
Fully loaded is terrible if you never get to use it.
hearty elbow
It's so silly how nothing it does lol. The meta before abused Stygian Soul for casting so it was lit
untold vortex
fully loaded used to be harder to get
fallow niche
That was their initial nerf
dry ember
Fully Loaded never does anything to me
turbid needle
You get two of Exit Wounds, Support Fire, and Hunter's Mark.
valid locust
Same with the Artemis/Zeus duo boon. I actively avoided.
untold vortex
2 specific boons as opposed to 2 of 5?
unkempt pagoda
i much prefer 2 t2 boons than requiring a boon that turned off on 3/7 casts lol
valid locust
Make that duo let lightning bolts crit instead.
fallow niche
Was basically as hard to get as Zeus legendary
turbid needle
Other way around, crits proc'd lightning bolts.
valid locust
Anything other than what it does
narrow rampart
wait that'd be too much like sea storm tbh
fallow niche
More casts is powerful but not worth picking up so many bad boons good 😂
valid locust
I've taken the pom duo boon more often than the Artemis/Zeus one.
unkempt pagoda
i mean, they existed at the same time lol
hearty elbow
Sea Storm would be better if you didn't need Poseidon lol
static jacinth
But all the boons fully loaded requires are good.
hearty elbow
That was the biggest nerf to Dual Shot. Now requires Poseidon smh
turbid needle
I didn't know Hunter's Mark, Support Fire, and Exit Wounds were bad.
fallow niche
Exit wounds and support fire are bad
narrow rampart
oof
valid locust
Blasphemy. Dont disrespecr Surf Dad like that.
narrow rampart
posi found dead in a ditch
turbid needle
Hot take, Forge.
fallow niche
And yeah dual shot got nerfed
static jacinth
In what world are exit wounds and support fire bad?
hearty elbow
Support Fire is amazing lol
unkempt pagoda
fallow niche
I used to be able to get artemis cast, dual shot, then into her legendary
Was beautiful
turbid needle
Was kinda busted.
fallow niche
Dual shot was a tier 2 for artemis
dry ember
Dual shot was busted lol
fallow niche
I mean sure but they could do its current nerf
narrow rampart
support fire and Zeus attack on lucy
dry ember
but moving it's status to Skipping Stone is lol
fallow niche
Especially since old artemis cast is nowhere near as powerful as Nem Sword is now
turbid needle
What?
fallow niche
Yeah
turbid needle
Nemesis hasn't been touched in months.
valid locust
Whats the good thing to do with Talos
fallow niche
Also Spread Fire took over last update
turbid needle
But we've all known its set-up all this time.
fallow niche
Last update was dominated by Spread Fire
valid locust
Somebody hook up a straf.
fallow niche
And nothing in the game has ever compared to old Spread Fire
unkempt pagoda
use blades
turbid needle
I'm gonna wake up in 50 years still furious about Spread Fire.
fallow niche
LMAO same
unkempt pagoda
well
turbid needle
I want my buckshot back.
valid locust
Tried Blades, it was terrible.
narrow rampart
Old spread fire was the one that was an actual shotgun right?
unkempt pagoda
there was the old artemis dash + spin tech 😛
dry ember
are crit chances in the game true random or pseudo random?
valid locust
What did it do?
narrow rampart
Joined too late to try it 😔
fallow niche
Then they turned it into a wave thing and it was busted
turbid needle
They turned it into old Nova but better.
narrow rampart
wait what was old nova
fallow niche
@valid locust 4-5 independent shots that each did their own damage
valid locust
Beowulf Charged Flight is nuts too
turbid needle
5 shots.
narrow rampart
Chthonic gods, that is
hearty elbow
Beowulf is trash. Charged Flight is 90% of the goodness of that weapon
valid locust
So spread fire was Crit City?
dry ember
Charged Flight will likely get the axe
fallow niche
@dry ember "true" random. No game has actual true random, just an approximation of it. By pseudo-random you mean like with what Dota2 uses right?
hearty elbow
They should just rename it Aspect of Charged Flight
turbid needle
Spread Fire is functionally identical to how it works now, just with more range, damage, and ammo.
unkempt pagoda
spread fire has an ungodly attack speed
fallow niche
Yeah dota 2 pseudo-rng is sick af, more devs should use it, but Hades doesn't
narrow rampart
pseudo rng butters my bread
turbid needle
It's a piercing AoE, if something is in the way it will hit everything in the blast, unlike Crush Shot.
fallow niche
^
hearty elbow
The confusing thing in Dota2 is that not everything is psuedo random lol
valid locust
Think I got the new spread fire once. Had ares dash boon. Things melted away very fast.
fallow niche
They've been slowly integrating pseudo-random over on every ability for the last 4-5 years now
hearty elbow
Iirc Faceless Void's bash on attack was psuedo random but his dodge % was "real" random
fallow niche
I remember when Void's backtrack was true random and WOW that could tilt people
same with bash
fallow niche
@hearty elbow both were true random originally
I remember bashing one dude like 7 times in a row 😂
hearty elbow
Yeah I know, but they changed them one at a time and it was extremely weird
fallow niche
anyway Hades uses the random random kind
I think its based off of your computer's clock so theoretically you can get 100% crit chance by hacking the game and your computer's clock
gleaming current
Floor is death either way
hearty elbow
56 is the soft (but really hard let's be real) cap
gleaming current
TD2 JS3 CP2 DC2 
valid locust
At some point 7 minuts and jury summoms is killing you, aint it?
valid locust
Cant imagine max jury summons and 7 mins in elysium.
dry ember
not to mention Calisthenics Program
gleaming current
Me neither ngl
valid locust
Then dealing with EM2 theseus.
hearty elbow
They could accidentally make a boon or aspect that would actually spit out the aoe damage necessary to do it, but it won't stop the fact that you can only get hit 2-4 times in a run period with RI4
gleaming current
The only run I have felt true power that could match elysium js3 was merciful end lol
dry ember
Like I said, the problem with high heat is that the heat is high.
narrow rampart
mmm yes, this water is wet
hearty elbow
Lol I've been playing Baba is You, that statement triggered me
dry ember
how long is that game?
narrow rampart
Lol
dry ember
respectable for a puzzle game
narrow rampart
I tried my first Hades spear run in a long ass time, managed to snag both fast charge and bigger spin
t'was dope
narrow rampart
god i was hoping id get that
at the end i was offered an anvil
but i liked my big fast spins too much to give them up
hearty elbow
I've been meaning to watch Tailesque's 50 run with Serrated Point and Drunken Strike
Which is crazy because that doesn't have synergy with Punishing Spin
dry ember
as in Hangover is not boosted by Punishing Spin?
hearty elbow
Yeah
valid locust
Serrated Point is 🔥
hearty elbow
Wait... I understand so little of what's going on lol. In room 2 he sees Artemis and Ares, he has Artemis keepsake on. He picks the Ares door
narrow rampart
Afaik picking Ares wouldn't consume the Artemis keepsake, would it?
turbid needle
It would not.
narrow rampart
The effect would only get used up if you pick up an Artemis boon
So yeah he'd go for an ares now since Artemis is still guaranteed later
hearty elbow
I was under the impression that the first time you see an Artemis boon, that would consume the charge.
narrow rampart
So was I, then I noticed that that wasn't the case
Wish Chaos gates from charons shop worked like that
hearty elbow
But yeah, obv I'm wrong I'm looking at it right now, that's cool though, opens up a great deal of space for future runs for me lol
narrow rampart
but alas
mighty ermine
only consumes the charge if you actually interact with the boon
or boon orb, you know what i mean
hearty elbow
@mighty ermine Why'd you keep curse of pain?
mighty ermine
to keep other gods from trying to fill my special slot and further waste my time
selling it would just increase the chance of having my one available AP2 option be a special boon
hearty elbow
That makes sense, thanks
mighty ermine
yee np
gleaming current
If going to use Guan Yu with Quick Spin, which to pick from Athena (deflects), Artemis/Aphrodite (high damage) and Demeter (chill)?
Not opposed to using either which is why i kinda need a tiebreaker
hearty elbow
Athena
even with Aphrodite you're probably not going to make TD2 anyway, so you may as well go with the best defensive option lol
hearty elbow
Even with Quick Spin GY spin build is just not that fast
You may have a shot if you get Quick + Massive
turbid needle
Everyone's first 32 Spear clear was Guan Yu with Quick Spin and Divine Strike.
Get Artemis elsewhere on the build and you can get Deadly Reversal for lots of crits.
turbid needle
Charged Skewer picked up popularity after it was added in Nighty Night.
gleaming current
Getting either with AP2 gotta be a good time
deadly reversal or massive spin in combo with quick that is
hearty elbow
any of the spin hammers + quick (except the sturdy one lol) are fine
turbid needle
Yeah, I never run enough Heat to require Approval Process.
gleaming current
Isn't there literally only massive and whatever-unique-to-gy aside from sturdy and quick?
gleaming current
Winged Serpent that is
serene phoenix
is Nourished Soul bugged?
turbid needle
Extending Jab, Breaching Skewer, Massive and Quick Spin, Charged Skewer, Serrated Point, Winged Serpent.
How do you mean, Chrono?
turbid needle
It drops food.
turbid needle
It drops the food right next to Zag.
hearty elbow
Dio's nectar
turbid needle
Dio's does, as does Poseidon's.
serene phoenix
yeah but dio's nectar says it's specifically on nectar
poseidon's specifically says it drops things
Dem's says "Restore HP now."
and nothing else
hearty elbow
Sisyphus' health choice as well
serene phoenix
well you get used to that
hearty elbow
Lol
serene phoenix
and I submitted it as a bug
w h o o p s
better just hope they don't come after me
oh well now that's a bug lol
||Hades|| just drifted across the screen after I defeated him lol
he vibing
which is better, Arthur or Nemesis
hearty elbow
Nemesis
gray moon
anyone here run Tight Deadline for PoP? That one seems not doable for me. Elysium just takes too long. 9 minutes is already pretty rough. Is the game even beatable on 7 ,minutes per act without getting insanely lucky?
gleaming current
Without getting insanely lucky, no 
Definitely beatable when you meet that criteria tho
Also, ironically enough, TD2 is what most people run when they need heat
unkempt pagoda
rn elysium is the real teeth kicker
styx can be bad if you have bad sack rng, but elysium on TD2 can be like a brick wall
except on high heat the wall has speeder and puller
gleaming current
Actually it'd be Shifter and Pooper for max waste of time
unkempt pagoda
when it's almost impossible to land a hit on speeder shifter swords bc half the time they're doing their dash anyways 
gleaming current
gray moon
besides Death Defiance, what mirror upgrade would you get another of, if you could?
another Dash?
turbid needle
Yeah, three dashes out the gate would be pretty crazy, or two with Ruthless Reflex.
gleaming current
?
Where'd the second dash come from? It's 2 with greater reflex or 1 with ruthless
unkempt pagoda
besides Death Defiance, what mirror upgrade would you get another of, if you could?
another Dash?
gray moon
we were speculating if you could upgrade further
gleaming current
Ah
gray moon
i.e. beyond the normal
unkempt pagoda
i'd increase persuasion to 6 so it makes a nice even 3 rerolls
gray moon
i have stopped caring, since i usually run with Routine Inspection
since the first 3 mirror upgrades are expendable
i do wish that rerolling could not offer you the same thing again, though
unless you have been through all choices
gleaming current
rerolling holy shield into holy shield moment
gray moon
yea, stuff like that
given how expensive the stuff is, you would at least expect it to be effective. especially since if you reroll again, you pay 2 charges
btw, is it me, or is Premium Vintage like the best passive boon?
stiff stone
It’s one of the better ones, yes
gray moon
its like a Centaur Heart and Pom Slice at once, and then for each extra nectar
pretty decent even if you never find any nectar
shame Life Affirmation does not drop a Centaur Heart
turbid needle
You're disgusting. 
gleaming current
how(how)
turbid needle
Hey, I need you to come to my house and beat the Hierophant in HLD on NG+.
All of his attacks one-tap at 2 HP and it's been like half an hour.
gray moon
5 minutes? that doesn't seem possible
unless there is some kind of skipping glitch, ro something
gray moon
that would do it, yea
imagine a setting, where you deal and take infinite damage
i guess bow would be too easy
gleaming current
Pierced butterfly++
gray moon
oh yea. You take triple damage, but the butterfly gives +10% damage per room
that would be interesting
turbid needle
So basically you die as soon as you enter the EM3 fight, got it.
One-touch, how fun.
static jacinth
Depends.
You should be able to melt Asterius pretty quick with all that bonus damage.
fallow niche
@gleaming current @gray moon A fast build with all the free chambers (midshop, fountain, story room) in every biome and a 2 sack will do it
gray moon
seems like everything has to go basically perfect
fallow niche
Yes
Good thing I know exactly what will happen in advance
(I looked through the seed before my run)
Took 2 days of routing, but hey, we're going to be pushing sub-5 times tonight
last panther
https://i.imgur.com/dVJ4miW.png that's a lot of attention I'm getting there
static jacinth
Dionysys is your mate.
gray moon
eh, i wish the anvil didnt show up, or was an addition
i dont think i have wanted it even once
honestly, shop could just have 6 spots, one for Heart, one for Hermes, one for Diamond/Blood, one for the Pom, and then one small boon and one big boon, and just have those refresh when you buy
static jacinth
I don't usually buy the anvil, but I don't often buy hermes boon either.
I'm fine with it being there, for whimsy and fixing terrible hammers.
main osprey
epic divine strike on L-- rail, is it worth it?
other choices are epic cast, or common sure footing
unkempt pagoda
deflect only activates close to zag i think
main osprey
ye, which is why I'm hesitant
unkempt pagoda
if you're using HS, i'd go sure footing
unkempt pagoda
there's better attacks
small stirrup
deflect only activates close to zag i think
Does that count on GY as well?
small stirrup
God bless
unkempt pagoda
you could possibly try phalanx then run for zeus attack
main osprey
I already have zeus special, does that work?
unkempt pagoda
for sick epic lightning phalanx strats
pseudo stream
how's Rama without upgrading it?
small stirrup
Still good
I mainly use Rama for the rapid firing special
The damage share is just a bonus
So Rama without any upgrades still works wonders for me
cunning urchin
Not really, no.
small stirrup
Aspect of Charon needs to be a little bit more reactive.
Is that an aspect?
cunning urchin
Best thing is to study boon trees, get some ideas from there, and just try them out.
small stirrup
This is from #hades-feedback
cunning urchin
No. They mean Chiron lol.
cunning urchin
I especially like to look at Duo Boons that I think would work well with the aspect I use, pick one, look at the requirements for it, and then see which ones I want from there.
pseudo stream
huh. I have no idea what would go well with Rama
gray moon
game definitely needs an in-game wiki
pseudo stream
but also, Duo boons don't seem worth counting on?
gray moon
not just what leads to what, but the stats of each boon at each level
unkempt pagoda
many of them just require simple core boons from two gods, which you're very likely to get naturally
cunning urchin
The idea isn't that you rely on a Duo Boon but that your 2–3 core boons have potential for Duo Boons that will actually help you.
cunning urchin
My favorite combo is actually Lady Aphrodite + Lord Zeus.
static jacinth
Rama is pretty fast, all things considered. Just never use the attack.
Which is very sad.
cunning urchin
Heartbreak Strike and Heartbreak Flourish are amazing on most Attacks/Specials, and Lightning Strike and Thunder Flourish are amazing on all the rest. So the combo works on every aspect.
static jacinth
Unless you're shotgunning the attack anyway.
cunning urchin
And you can take the Call from the other one to immediately open up a path to Smoldering Air.
static jacinth
Aphrodite's call with Smoldering air is quite nice.
unkempt pagoda
point blank triple rama for the best shotgun build
static jacinth
Though every call has quite a bit of value when spammed.
unkempt pagoda
the worst part of rama is that the whole wave doesn't deflect on athena attack
cunning urchin
You actually do want to tag enemies with your Special and then use your Attack with Rama if you want to be fast.
static jacinth
It varies.
unkempt pagoda
if you're having trouble, perfect shot can actually be quite nice on rama
cunning urchin
You don't need to charge until you get a Power Shot.
static jacinth
I had a nice run where I didn't use the attack at all. Just dionyus special pew pews.
The strat is usually to go basically into melee range and quicky tap it.
pseudo stream
yeah, I love dionysus with fast stuff
that said, I'd prefer it on fists I think haha
tender void
I browsed through some discussion here and saw a few comments like " Its still malphon though" Is malphon considered low tier ?
static jacinth
Rama has the advantage of range in applying it.
And also the shared suffering is pretty nice for adding even more damage.
unkempt pagoda
malphon is good lol
i think the ones people consider "low tier" rn are sword, spear, and bow ()
but all in all, everything's viable and balanced
cunning urchin
Varatha is very strong.
gray moon
Hera Bow is pretty good
static jacinth
Even discounting Guan Yu, Varatha does work just fine.
tender void
@unkempt pagoda really ? To be honest i struggled horribly with the shield . It was the last one for me to even get to the surface. Got my first 32 with malphon yesterday and was super suprised with all the evaluations here.
static jacinth
The only weapon I don't like much is the sword.
turbid needle
Sword is definitely not low tier.
turbid needle
Fair.
static jacinth
If I do use it, I prefer to use Arthur or Poseidon for a very different sort of playstyle.
unkempt pagoda
low tier in a very uh, minor sense
gray moon
sword is definitely my least favorite, though Arthur is interesting
cunning urchin
I think you misread "it's still Malphon" to mean "it's still weak either way" when that was probably intended as "it's still good either way".
unkempt pagoda
generally, weapon viability is based around personal playstyle and preference
static jacinth
Absolutely!
unkempt pagoda
there's no objectively weak "low tier" weapon
static jacinth
(except Zagreus aspect sword)
unkempt pagoda
unless it's zag sword
gray moon
i keep reading that Choas shield is godly op, but after using it, i didnt get that feeling
unkempt pagoda
it's a simple matter of shield not being for you (or you not having enough practice with it)
static jacinth
I like dashing back and forth and destroying rooms with swarms of shields.
gray moon
zag shield seems solid
tender void
@gray moon i find the shield just - barely playable for me. But as @unkempt pagoda said IT must be a personal preference thing.
turbid needle
Zag Shield is very very strong.
unkempt pagoda
zag shield is great
gray moon
good damage, and the ability to block is nice
unkempt pagoda
you get to bully the underworld
cunning urchin
I think Chaos Aspect is very overrated lol. It's great, but it's also very overrated.
gray moon
blocking seems almost op, tbh
unkempt pagoda
it used to be more op, once upon a time, so
static jacinth
Zag shield is perfectly good too. Just go and smack them in the face proper.
unkempt pagoda
(used to have innate deflect)
static jacinth
The wiki probably shouldn't say it gives DR though... That's out of date, isn't it?
unkempt pagoda
out of date, that's what it was a few patches ago
static jacinth
But yeah. A flat damage up is really big in this game.
And it lets you really smack people around with your shield.
gray moon
its weird - a shield is better at beating ass than a sword
static jacinth
(Chaos aspect is more fun though)
unkempt pagoda
the important part is that now i get to play the dash strike build of my dreams
cunning urchin
Blocking is actually not much of a factor at high level play.
static jacinth
Depends though. With only one dash, it's probably one of your best tools against the final boss.
Really helps with his sweep.
Just stand there and take it, swish past him, and continue upon your merry way.
cunning urchin
I don't need block to deal with his spin attack with only one dash.
tender void
Welp - I will have to give the shield a try again. I dont see Anyone mentioning the Zeus aspect . Is IT playable ? Any builds / tips?
turbid needle
It's Hard Mode.
unkempt pagoda
it's different
unkempt pagoda
i've seen people have great results with it, but it's definitely not everyone's style
pseudo stream
yeah, tight deadline did me in that one 😢 I'm not fast enough with bow
static jacinth
Beyblade Aspect shield is fine, but I don't like it much.
tender void
@static jacinth Beyblade XD i never noticed that :D
unkempt pagoda
the important part is that you can still attack regularly with the shield out, so you're doing damage from two sources at once
static jacinth
Zeus special is unsurprisingly solid with it. Athena aspect lets you have a moving deflect zone, which is fun.
Ares special lets you really easily proc merciful end.
unkempt pagoda
(thunder flourish is specifically tuned to it, so try it out)
cunning urchin
That's why I said "high level". Block is great, but it's not what makes Shield as strong as it is. It's more like icing on the cake.
main osprey
oh I am loving having two dashes after finishing the weekly challenge
modest steppe
For Beowulf, should I do a cast build or a special build with Charged Flight?
cunning urchin
You can only really build with Charged Flight if you have a seed that gives you Charged Flight in chamber 1.
Otherwise, you might never see it or only see it by Elysium.
The Special is a lot more difficult to use if you don't have it, and the reward isn't as good.
You can focus on Attack/Cast in any run and just pick up Charged Flight if you happen to run into it.
@pseudo stream every hit you take briefly stuns you. So it happens all the time.
pseudo stream
Huh. Am I wrong about how bad it is then? That’s quite invisible, but I can see it being fairly useful maybe?
cunning urchin
Yeah, it's pretty good. Just think of all the times you got hit by one thing and couldn't move, and then you got hit by another thing because of that.
pseudo stream
Doesn’t happen that often, I tend to panic a lot. I can only think of a few times in my 55 runs?
cunning urchin
Really? Never got tag-teamed by Strongbows + melees, hit by mines and then melee because you couldn't get away or vice versa, hit by Hades's beam and then couldn't move away and took even more damage?
static jacinth
Does anyone mind a video? I've got something that will illustrate Strongbows and their stuns.
cunning urchin
If it's relevant to the discussion, the mods don't mind at all.
gray moon
lol, wtf is this? looks like a glitch
main osprey
that was beautiful
cunning urchin
Marvel combos.
dry ember
10/10 meme
fallow niche
https://clips.twitch.tv/TenuousResoluteMagpieSwiftRage @turbid needle
main osprey
I'm sorry what
okay question about Parting Shot, that's just a +25% backstab damage, in addition to granting all backstab bonuses to cast, right?
I'm running a GY special build, not sure if I even want it
cunning urchin
Yes. +25% backstab damage, and all backstab damage bonuses apply to your casts, too.
modest steppe
@cunning urchin just as I read your message, I started a run and got Hammer with Charged Flight in chamber 1
it was... fun
kinda easy though haha
thanks a lot
dry ember
Enjoy it while it lasts.
static jacinth
What does the Ambiguity bonus from bouldy do?
static jacinth
I am sad.
high pumice
oof
main osprey
oh my
deflecting the dire bother's point-blank explosion into it
basically one-shot it
main osprey
this is just absurd
(final boss) || https://imgur.com/WmsnU6X ||
eternal quartz
There is no escape
rare kayak
man i havent seen splitting bolt in a long long time
despite my last like 5 runs all being zeus centric
hes just so strong
undone jolt
so i'm kind of in a tight spot with the spear, can't find anything that feels natural, tried dash build, with achilles aspect, currently trying hades aspect with a focus on aphrodite, currently pushing heat on all weapons and at 18, this is the only weapon i'm having difficulty with, any thoughts, suggestions, or advice / discussion is appreciated
static jacinth
Have you tried special builds?
With Zag aspect or Guan Yu.
Just huck that spear at the bad guys.
undone jolt
@static jacinth those are definitely my least two used aspects, i had a super solid run with guan yu, but it was super slow, i guess i'm just use to clearing faster with other weapons / aspects so it kind of felt not the most optimal
any advice for guan yu with boons, keepsakes, picks, etc?
static jacinth
Try mostly using your special for damage.
gleaming current
Charged Skewer is number 1 pick for that
static jacinth
For Guan Yu, Aphrodite's special boon is probably the best one, but Zeus and Demeter are respectable boon choices as well in different ways.
Charged Skewer is a good hammer to get there for sure. And putting a bit more priority on chaos rooms if you can, to get even more special damage.
Breaching Skewer is also a fine second hammer to grab.
Keepsakes can be flexible, to coax out the gods you want to build up.
Zag spear is great for a special build as well. If you can grab Exploding Launcher, you're basically set.
undone jolt
so basically go into special with hammer upgrades (the two mentioned specifically), and for keepsakes you say coax out the gods, could you be more specific? with like what would be good 1st, 2nd, and 3rd picks?
static jacinth
Well I personally usually start with the coin purse for quick money, and then swap keepsakes to bring out the gods I'm building around based on what I got in Tartarus.
But it might be more reliable for you to just start out with Aphrodite and get her flourish as soon as you can.
undone jolt
okay cool, same usually if i'm not 100% on a build, usually with fists / rail zeus is the first pick to get that attack boon from the go, but alright
thanks so much!
static jacinth
Zeus is perfectly fine as a god for a special build too. More for Zag spear, since you proc it much faster.
Good luck 🙂
gray moon
man, Shield makes Charon fight a cakewalk
rare kayak
i find hades aspect the best for me
just because the spin is fun and also provides a bonkers damage up at max level
hearty elbow
Spear, similar to Bow, is insanely reliant on the Hammer upgrades you get. So, for instance, with Guan Yu, my runs (that aren't seeded or have a hammer in the beginning) will start Athena for Divine Strike, and I'll remain flexible until I see the first hammer. If it's a spin hammer (and I don't have TD2), I'll go that route, if it's Charged Skewer, I'll go special instead.
gray moon
Hades Spear is solid
hearty elbow
Yeah, it is. Been experimenting with it yesterday, and I definitely changed my mind about it. Learning how to spin in FO2 is a challenge but the damage is solid. Still haven't seen the dash strike hammer early but I had Exploding Launcher yesterday and that felt pretty good
gray moon
i think Flurry Attack is best spear upgrade
Dash-strike one is nice, but sadly, dash attack has very low base damage
hearty elbow
Lol, well you can't get Flurry on Hades aspect
But the multipliers work really with Hades' gigantic bonus damage
turbid plume
i thought i get some inspiration from this channel but so far i only get depressed about how bad i am at this game xD
gray moon
important lesson i just learned. If you run Fists with Demeter, do NOT pick Poseidon for special
gleaming current
Yeah, this idea gets pretty wide recently #h1-high-heat-strategies message
For poseidon in general that is
tawny mica
I have a question, when it comes to using Titan blood is it better to max out an aspect or try to open as many different ones as you can
i've gotten excalibur for example and a couple of other normal aspects... but not all the final aspects
i haven't unlocked Guan Yu even though its available to me
gleaming current
It depends heavily on what statistic it provides and improves
Something like excalibur can be played without extra blood donation. As opposed to chiron which is absolutely required to be maxed out for comfortable gameplay
Guan Yu needs to be maxed as well
tawny mica
hm.. and the max is 5 levels per weapon correct?
arthur's on 3 am. so its 3 to level up and 4 to max out i think. i currently have 5 blood so i'm not sure what to do with it atm..
random hull
All aspects have five levels. The upgrade amounts depend on which aspect it is.
1st aspect is 1/1/1/1/1, 2nd is 1/2/3/4/5, 3rd is 2/2/3/4/5, 4th is 3/3/3/3/3
tawny mica
dang if i only had 1 more i coulda maxed out arthur
not sure if its the right thing to do tho, like i've only just started the pact of punishments so really i'm trying to max out the weapons and finish up my remaining keepsake levels
gleaming current
If you don't really need damage reduction aura you definitely can play arthur on lvl 1
Personally only used it like thrice for the whole run
tawny mica
i'm willing to take anything i get i have died so much. x_x
ok then i think maybe really.. the way i should figure this out is.. what will make consecutive runs for leveling easier?
i could also just do 1 pact grab the titan blood and just die like a chump afterwards
how do i unlock the other aspects though? after arthur what's the next step?
gleaming current
Definitely a possibility
Also can turn on Golden Touch mirror, take Cthonic Purse first keepsake, and save up money for styx shop to buy blood/diamonds on any heat
Other aspects are unlocked the same way, just different gods to tell you the words
tawny mica
invest 5 titan blood in a weapon.. if that's the case i should do that then since alot of the pact of punishment stuff needs you to kind of diversify before going into higher heat
well.. at least its safer than having to force yourself into higher heat difficulties oof.. x_x
gray moon
Regarding the Titan Blood, there are basically two categories of weapons. Those that benefit massively from lvl 5, and those who don't care about lvl. Hera Bow, Arthur Sword are two examples of weapons that are basically fully effective at lvl 1
but Demeter, for example, definitely wants to be 5
gray moon
Demeter at lvl 1 is basically pointless
one point regarding upgrades, if you don't want to look up a wiki, is that upgrades are consistent. so if you mouse over to see what the jump is from lvl 1 to lvl 2, you can figure out what a lvl 5 aspect will look like
tawny mica
yeah i gathered as much, really its kinda just trying to play to each weapon's strengths and such. in addition to what i'm comfortable with
the twin fists are great for damage but they can get a little risky cause you're so close to getting hit
and lack AOE without a boon or hammer
tawny mica
yeah i noticed, the lighting trail is bonkers
tawny mica
i normally didn't use it until i tried it out with malphos
tawny mica
well yeah i can imagine
random hull
There are plenty of people around who prefer Athena attack for defence (covers a lot of Malphon's weaknesses), Ares special, in combination with Merciful End.
gray moon
Ares Special seems odd for Demeter, unless they are running a different aspect
tawny mica
well its interesting if you can use deflect attack with something like arthur because then you essentially have a bat to swing projectiles away from you
gray moon
btw, is Zag fists bugged? i didnt see much difference in attack speed
tawny mica
ares is cool but its tricky imo since i feel like it's not really on it's own without the supporting DOOM buffs
as for that aspect i'm not sure tbh, i mean i prefer it over talos but i haven't used it in a while
i'll see if it pops up in another run and let you know
gray moon
Talos kind of seems like worse Demeter to me
tawny mica
talos is kinda of the worst of the 3 so far
gleaming current
Isn't talos mostly for casters?
gray moon
should have been some kind of cast-based aspect
tawny mica
yeah it is but eeh
gray moon
more specific, like Poseidon
tawny mica
well the magnet attack isn't that great
i mean yeah you could but running poseidon wouldn't you want to focus more on SLAMS
If you wanna JAMS
jokes aside yeah the yoyo effect of pulling enemies back i feel wouldn't be as effective unless you really got the most out of ol'pappy posidon
gleaming current
Well, the point of knockback in first place is to slam stuff in walls, which magnetic special doesn't really help with
One hypothetical use is to use poseidon attack, Second Wave + Sea Storm + Splitting Bolt
Buuuuut.. yeah
gray moon
damn, im in the middle of act two, and ZERO Centaur Hearts so far........
scratch that, END of act two, no hearts
hearty elbow
Talos + Curse of Drowning is a nifty idea. Haelian tried it, but Curse of Drowning was good enough by itself that he stopped using Magnetic Pull
tawny mica
yeah its the problem with it isn't it?
gleaming current
Indeed
tawny mica
cause looking at the damage in game, i'm guessing it goes from 8, 16, 24, 32
and its percentile not additive
gleaming current
Mmm, don't think I follow
tawny mica
oh well its a little something i kinda picked up from warframe
ok so the base damage of the cutter is 20
gleaming current
That % should be the bonus dmg after you do magnetic pull on enemies
hearty elbow
90% sure Talos, Poseidon, and Achilles' cast buffs are additive bonuses, like everything else
hearty elbow
But very easy to test that, using Crush Shot and Privileged Status
(PS is additive)
tawny mica
well yeah like really if you can you always wanna grab a hard number over a percentage right? would you say that applies here or..?
hearty elbow
Not quite. Hammers, Chaos, and Crit are all multiplicative mods, everything else is additive
a few narrow exceptions like Heart Rend, which multiplies the total damage of a crit by 1.5
tawny mica
right so that makes sense especially since HADES is a game that actually uses logic instead of just incomprehensible mathematics lol
hearty elbow
Eh, there is no visual indicator to say how the math works. It had to be figured out
So I guess it's logical, but it's not clear
tawny mica
i was just making a jab at warframe really. :P
gray moon
stuff is additive, which makes Cast benefit a lot more from boosts
because Cast base damage increases with levels
while attack boons just increase the percentage
so anything past lvl 3 barely does anything
tawny mica
speaking of which, i'm still actually unclear about Cast usage tbh, i mean there's some obvious abilities like mirror stuff or boon versions
gray moon
This is also why Artemis is actually the best DPS god
tawny mica
but at it's base level what is it supposed to do without any other freatures?
well yeah she's pure CRIT
hearty elbow
Base cast can still manipulate RNG 
gray moon
Base cast mostly is used for the Mirror buff
tawny mica
ah ok
hearty elbow
Lol, don't mind me, just making a joke at the game's expense. The RNG function of the game is ticked by very discrete actions, including Casts and breaking urns
gray moon
but something like Dionysis Cast, plus Stygian Blood, can make for a decent long range option.
tawny mica
i tend to use it for buffs/debuffs to increase my damage
or you know save my hide x_x
hearty elbow
I actually tend to like Trippy Shot with Infernal Soul since it doesn't lodge, so I can control more space with it
tawny mica
yeah i find it tricky to use cast consistently unless i know what style it's going to be using on a run tbh
like i don't use Zeus' cast for that reason
hearty elbow
You should know, basically from the beginning of a run what casts you would like to use
tawny mica
well i tend to go for the basic but besides trippy shot what else is good to use?
gray moon
Athena Cast is solid
hearty elbow
Since the damage casts are pretty lackluster unless you're actually focusing on them, the utility casts would be Trippy, Phalanx, Flood, and Crush
gray moon
Crush has crappy range, though
hearty elbow
Most builds that don't want to cast get a lot of benefit from Phalanx
gray moon
unless you are running Hera Bow
hearty elbow
It's probably fine with stuff like Merciful End builds
gray moon
Demeter Cast makes me sad
hearty elbow
Glacial Glare did a lot to help it out for builds centered around it
gray moon
while Ares/Artemis Duo makes Ares Cast stupid levels of OP
tawny mica
i barely get ares lately but i'm curious about alot of his combos
hearty elbow
Merciful End is the best thing you can do in this game
That's not a universal answer obviously. Like if you have AP2 RI1 good luck making that work.
Curse of Drowning is good, I've heard people have success with Achilles aspect + Ares cast, Curse of Nausea on stuff like Chaos Aspect, Chiron, Rama, Fists is good. Hunting Blades is great. Vengeful Mood is good--a bit cheesy, and requires a good amount of boons to function, but it's good when you get there.
gray moon
kind of makes you wish for a slightly longer run, so you have more time to put that stuff together
hearty elbow
For Vengeful Mood yeah definitely. I usually get it really going in late Elysium to Styx, where I can barely enjoy it
tawny mica
i have a sneaking suspicion the run's going to get much longer than that after the next update. x_X
hearty elbow
The rest are pretty easy to set up
I sincerely doubt it. Or at least, the boon economy in another zone would have to be drastically different (kind of like how Styx tones it down).
cunning urchin
Green Lernie
"Hurray, it's only Green Lernie."
3x white heads appear
"Urrrgh..."
dies
cunning urchin
That was supposed to go into the high heat chat woops lol.
tawny mica
lol
cunning urchin
Green Lernie is not White Lernie. So that's good.
tawny mica
lol
pseudo stream
I'm kinda confused about how to use Beowulf well
it seems like it does a LOT of burst, but that it's... just kinda bad?
like Hera bow but without the ability to work from range, AND you take extra damage? what am I missing?
dry ember
What you are missing is Charged Flight
pseudo stream
that's a hammer thing?
pseudo stream
requiring a specific hammer feels like... it's just bad? I can't force hammers, OR which options appear
dry ember
True
But if you see it, give it a shot
Cast build can work
I have more success with Poseidon cast
pseudo stream
hmm okay
I got Artemis cast early
the aoe is so small, I kept missing Meg with it
but holy crapo the burst haha
hearty elbow
Yeah Beowulf's cast system definitely needs some love. All of the aspect's goodness is in Charged Flight right now unfortunately. It's not that the bull rush is bad... it's just that Charged Flight gives you the same burst, but sustained, and ranged.
pseudo stream
oh man. yeah, I'm glad I only stuck 3 blood in here cuz it feels bad
taking 10% extra damage to be worse than Zag aspect is lame 😛
cunning urchin
Beowulf is great without Charged Flight, too. But you definitely want to use Infernal Soul with it.
Even Stygian Soul at max rank is worse than Infernal Soul at rank 0 with Beowulf.
pseudo stream
Infernal is which one?
hearty elbow
multiple casts
cunning urchin
Ammo x3.
pseudo stream
yeah, of course, dropping the stones as soon as they go off means you can spam a super high damage attack
cunning urchin
Your casts will always drop immediately after a Dragon Rush, so Infernal Soul just lets you Dragon Rush way faster than if you have to wait 3 seconds every time.
Yeah.
hearty elbow
Also each rank increases the AoE of the rush, which makes a massive QoL difference
Hitting jumpy Inferno Bombers is still a huge chore but it helps a lot
pseudo stream
oooh... it increases the aoe of the explosion at the end?
I'm generally always an infernal soul guy, it's way more flexible
cunning urchin
Yeah, I can't comment on low level Beowulf. I've only played with it at max level. I don't really use aspects that aren't level 5 lol.