#h1-builds-and-combat | Supergiant Games | Page 581

burnt dust Jul 30, 2020, 12:52 AM

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or you could just run an invulnerability build with gauntlets

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flexingcato

clever matrix Jul 30, 2020, 1:04 AM

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that emote is a lot but i sure understand it

dry ember Jul 30, 2020, 3:35 AM

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Where's Zagreus?

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https://imgur.com/rbf3frb

Imgur

main osprey Jul 30, 2020, 3:44 AM

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|| below the golden urns? ||

dry ember Jul 30, 2020, 3:46 AM

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close but not quite

main osprey Jul 30, 2020, 3:47 AM

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yeah, I think I've gotten Zag where he is in yours, I just don't remember exactly where it is

dry ember Jul 30, 2020, 3:49 AM

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A wild Zagreus appears! ||https://imgur.com/SQIVrnW||

main osprey Jul 30, 2020, 3:50 AM

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ooh, nice

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yeah, I was thinking of a different spot

void fjord Jul 30, 2020, 5:43 AM

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I like that the dealer reacts when you go into his shop area

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guys fav weapon?

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plus boon for the weapon

main osprey Jul 30, 2020, 5:48 AM

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chaos shield, athena special OR artemis attack with two specific hammers

cunning urchin Jul 30, 2020, 5:51 AM

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I'm a girl. Can I answer, too? dusa

void fjord Jul 30, 2020, 5:54 AM

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hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm i dont know, can you?

cunning urchin Jul 30, 2020, 5:57 AM

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I've been enjoying Beowulf a lot. But I don't know optimal builds for it, I just know Charged Flight with Heartbreak Flourish or Deadly Flourish is OD.

clever matrix Jul 30, 2020, 5:58 AM

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I like the bow too but I only have Hera rn

cunning urchin Jul 30, 2020, 5:59 AM

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The cast you choose for Beowulf doesn't matter too much when you have RI3.

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So I don't explore that side too much.

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But you'll definitely want Infernal Soul for it. Stygian Soul at max rank is actually worse than Infernal Soul with no points in it for Beowulf because your cast just drops immediately when you Dragon Rush.

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So you can just pick it up immediately.

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But with Stygian Soul, you have to wait for it to regenerate.

void fjord Jul 30, 2020, 6:02 AM

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yea makes sense

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wldnt want to wait 5 secs

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especially if you have TD2

cunning urchin Jul 30, 2020, 6:03 AM

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3 seconds, but yes.

void fjord Jul 30, 2020, 6:03 AM

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isnt it 5s without upgrading it

cunning urchin Jul 30, 2020, 6:05 AM

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I was talking about max rank.

void fjord Jul 30, 2020, 6:05 AM

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max rank is 3, but was thinking of it in RI3 terms

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but yea still makes sense

cunning urchin Jul 30, 2020, 6:07 AM

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RI3 just makes it an Infernal Soul. It doesn't regenerate even if you switched to that side before turning on RI.

void fjord Jul 30, 2020, 6:07 AM

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oh

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i didnt know that

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i assumed it stayed the same

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like with fated persuasion

cunning urchin Jul 30, 2020, 6:08 AM

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Only which side of Fated Authority/Persuasion you selected matters.

void fjord Jul 30, 2020, 6:09 AM

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hmm good to know i suppose if i end up doing a high heat run on hera bow

burnt dust Jul 30, 2020, 6:54 AM

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I found authority is better for builds that require a lot of boons from a few gods tho

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shrug

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such as perma 100% gauntlet dodge

static jacinth Jul 30, 2020, 7:14 AM

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I don't think you can actually get 100% dodge.

void fjord Jul 30, 2020, 7:14 AM

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fated authority is rly good in styx or something to get an extra boon

static jacinth Jul 30, 2020, 7:14 AM

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Since it doesn't stack additively.

void fjord Jul 30, 2020, 7:14 AM

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yea its multiple checks

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which is still good

burnt dust Jul 30, 2020, 7:50 AM

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you can @static jacinth

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lemme pull the combo up, I don't have a picture of it and it's really hard to pull off

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but it is very possible

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unless they hard cap you at 99

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if you use this combo you can get a good bit over 100%

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wow can't send pic wtf

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greater evasion, second wind, smoldering air, malphon zag asp, and lambent plume

static jacinth Jul 30, 2020, 7:57 AM

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They don't stack that way.

burnt dust Jul 30, 2020, 7:57 AM

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ahh

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does damage resistance stack additively?

static jacinth Jul 30, 2020, 7:57 AM

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Unless they've changed the mechanics while I wasn't looking, dodge doesn't stack additively.

burnt dust Jul 30, 2020, 7:57 AM

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or same deal

static jacinth Jul 30, 2020, 7:57 AM

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I believe it's multiplicative scaling.

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So same deal.

burnt dust Jul 30, 2020, 7:58 AM

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it does say

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+x% tho

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so maybe shrug

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I could probably look at the code

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been thinking about making mods for the game

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not super experienced

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but it would be a fun learning experience and I love the game

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only down side is playing your own mods is no fun

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at least for me

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honestly though with the right build gauntlets are practically invincible anyways

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they clear fast and are really tanky

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you run deflect attack and dodge with like 4+ dodges and just mash dash strike

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and you're like invincible

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plus run a dodge build on that and pretty much anything that gets through is snuffed

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only thing that might be better in a 57 heat ruin might be aspect of arthur

livid dew Jul 30, 2020, 8:02 AM

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what are some decent spear builds to try out, i have all the spears maxed out and currently at 7 heat and trying to get it to be 16+ heat like my other weapons

burnt dust Jul 30, 2020, 8:02 AM

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spear monkaS

livid dew Jul 30, 2020, 8:02 AM

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spear is my least used weapon so i have it at low heat lol

void fjord Jul 30, 2020, 8:03 AM

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my all time fav is guan yu with athena atk

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and aphro special

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high dmg

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and a good deflector

burnt dust Jul 30, 2020, 8:03 AM

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I don't play much spear but I feel like a special focused aspect of zag build would be good

livid dew Jul 30, 2020, 8:03 AM

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im a fan of guan yu demeter or guan yu aphro for attack. but i really havent experimented much

burnt dust Jul 30, 2020, 8:03 AM

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with the bouncing hammer ability

livid dew Jul 30, 2020, 8:04 AM

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that could be fun

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probably zeus for the special to keep having multiple chains

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bouncy spears

void fjord Jul 30, 2020, 8:04 AM

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personally massive spin and quick spin are the only 2 upgrades you need

burnt dust Jul 30, 2020, 8:04 AM

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eris exagryph with heart flourish and 5 shot rocket launcher always fun lol

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honestly I feel like if you play shield right you're just invincible but

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it's to slow for max heat

void fjord Jul 30, 2020, 8:06 AM

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a fun exagryph run for me is zeus attack plus static discharge

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along with poseidon special

burnt dust Jul 30, 2020, 8:07 AM

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I usually build special but

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the homing shot

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is always fun

void fjord Jul 30, 2020, 8:07 AM

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yea

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flurry shot

burnt dust Jul 30, 2020, 8:07 AM

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yeah

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lol

void fjord Jul 30, 2020, 8:07 AM

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u got a solid run on ur hands

burnt dust Jul 30, 2020, 8:07 AM

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I just feel like it gets out classed so fast by special build

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if you get the rockets and cluster shot

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and then like a level 10 heart flourish

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and maybe a chaos boon for special

void fjord Jul 30, 2020, 8:08 AM

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the 150%+ dmg upgrade is pretty good too

burnt dust Jul 30, 2020, 8:08 AM

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it can do 2k per burst and weakens the enemies

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plus herm can make it faster

void fjord Jul 30, 2020, 8:08 AM

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tru

burnt dust Jul 30, 2020, 8:08 AM

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but you gotta be lucky to get cluster and rocket

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then again like high heat you gotta be lucky anyways

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😉

void fjord Jul 30, 2020, 8:09 AM

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but a true damage build for me is arthur aspect with artemis attack and one chaos boon supporting attack

livid dew Jul 30, 2020, 8:09 AM

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see now whenever i use zeus i feel disgusted cause i had a really amazing 17 heat run with zagarus fist and pretty much had every zeus boon, had zeus attack, jolted, double lighting, chain lighting, legendary boon, call, and when you use call you get stronger. i honestly felt like a lighting god and now whenever i go for a zeus build and i dont get this i feel sad

void fjord Jul 30, 2020, 8:09 AM

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cause the crit dmg is ungodly

burnt dust Jul 30, 2020, 8:09 AM

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yeah

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I feel that

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what's really good is also max nemesis sword

void fjord Jul 30, 2020, 8:09 AM

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plus an ares special

burnt dust Jul 30, 2020, 8:09 AM

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with the double dash stab hammer

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and then back stab build

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with crit also

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the combo hits so hard and fast

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possibly highest dps

livid dew Jul 30, 2020, 8:10 AM

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i need to use the nemesis sword more often i just go arthur sword or posedion sword

void fjord Jul 30, 2020, 8:10 AM

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nemesis is one of the fastest swords

livid dew Jul 30, 2020, 8:10 AM

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for nemesis is it better to build with aphro for attack or arti for attack.

burnt dust Jul 30, 2020, 8:10 AM

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yeah so all the buffs say +x%

livid dew Jul 30, 2020, 8:11 AM

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which boon you talking about that is the double dash stab hammer

burnt dust Jul 30, 2020, 8:11 AM

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but do we have any confirmations for whether stats are additive or multiplicative

void fjord Jul 30, 2020, 8:13 AM

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but the fastest weapon + build for me is maphalon fists with aphro special + long knuckle + explosive upper/concentrates knuckle. Add support fire on to that with athena dash and greater haste.

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you have got a really good build on your hands. A good attack to match with is ares, with the fact that you get the supporting boon doom dmg adds with each hit

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@burnt dust its multiplicative im pretty sure

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they dont add to each other

burnt dust Jul 30, 2020, 8:14 AM

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yeah that would make sense

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makes me big sad tho

void fjord Jul 30, 2020, 8:15 AM

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would be too OP then

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but yes

burnt dust Jul 30, 2020, 8:16 AM

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rip 100% dodge build

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you can still get like 90+ even if it's multiplicative

void fjord Jul 30, 2020, 8:17 AM

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i can imagine why it wldnt be possible

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yea with more things giving u more dodge chance

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ur more likely

wide plover Jul 30, 2020, 8:17 AM

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I heard rama was reworked some time ago, how good is the current version?

void fjord Jul 30, 2020, 8:18 AM

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Its pretty good in my eyes

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but i didnt know it was reworked

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so have no idea of the old version

wide plover Jul 30, 2020, 8:19 AM

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special was spamming arrows, I think there were some build that just added zeus special and never used attack

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now you have to build around attack, right?

livid dew Jul 30, 2020, 8:20 AM

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its still pretty much hold the special button

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then sprinkle in some attack if there are a lot of minions

wide plover Jul 30, 2020, 8:20 AM

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I see

void fjord Jul 30, 2020, 8:29 AM

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it can go both ways

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depending on ur wish

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like a high dmg attack, or special spam

wide plover Jul 30, 2020, 8:31 AM

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ok, I'll try it when I get the blood

void fjord Jul 30, 2020, 8:32 AM

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gl

rare kayak Jul 30, 2020, 8:32 AM

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rama can get fun with the hammer upgrade for chain attack

void fjord Jul 30, 2020, 8:33 AM

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just dont get explosive shot

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or charged special

rare kayak Jul 30, 2020, 8:33 AM

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its still pretty good, at a decently high level the rama attack has got good burst damage for tankier enemies

void fjord Jul 30, 2020, 8:33 AM

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explosive shot is horrible, it takes years to fully charge it up

cunning urchin Jul 30, 2020, 9:26 AM

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You don't need to fully charge it.

static jacinth Jul 30, 2020, 9:29 AM

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Most people just use it like a melee weapon for optimal use.

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Just slam yourself into their face and tap it quickly.

wide plover Jul 30, 2020, 10:23 AM

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how much blood do you need to invest into a weapon to be able to unlock the 4th aspect?

random hull Jul 30, 2020, 10:25 AM

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wide plover Jul 30, 2020, 10:25 AM

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thx

random hull Jul 30, 2020, 10:25 AM

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For the other prerequisites, check the pinned message in #h1-story-discussion, if needed.

main osprey Jul 30, 2020, 11:26 AM

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@grand geyser yes, you will get a guaranteed fish

grand geyser Jul 30, 2020, 11:27 AM

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@main osprey nice!

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but even that requires some insane luck i guess

main osprey Jul 30, 2020, 11:27 AM

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Not that insane, just a decent bit

grand geyser Jul 30, 2020, 11:28 AM

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hmm

main osprey Jul 30, 2020, 11:28 AM

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Fated Persuasion helps

wide plover Jul 30, 2020, 11:44 AM

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what's the best crystal beam build?

dire wedge Jul 30, 2020, 12:06 PM

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people tend to like crystal clarity builds best because it's easy to use

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but whether you enjoy cold embrace or crystal clarity more, getting glacial glare for your crystal beam is needed, getting artic blast and killing freeze are cherries on top

eternal quartz Jul 30, 2020, 12:11 PM

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I often use Achilles Spear to increase the beam's damage. And Infernal Soul to spam the beams. You might want to try to combine it with Parting Shot and Shadow Presence to get nice backstab damage as well

charred pilot Jul 30, 2020, 1:24 PM

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If I take Tempest Strike which knocks away foes and I take pulverising blow and it tells me my attack doesn't knock away foes what happens?

random hull Jul 30, 2020, 1:26 PM

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Afaik, only the regular knockback from the shield attack is removed.

charred pilot Jul 30, 2020, 1:26 PM

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Good good, that's a better trade then

random hull Jul 30, 2020, 1:29 PM

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Depends. Normally, the removed knockback can work to your benefit because you can attack the same target in succession.

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However, if you still want to lean into wall-rushing, then the Tempest Strike supports the playstyle even with said hammer.

charred pilot Jul 30, 2020, 1:30 PM

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Yeah that's true, I didn't have the wall rushing boon at that point and i was in Elysium

random hull Jul 30, 2020, 1:33 PM

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In any case, there are few to none arguments against basically doubling the base damage of regular attacks.

charred pilot Jul 30, 2020, 1:38 PM

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yeah 🤣

hearty elbow Jul 30, 2020, 1:54 PM

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I mean, even against FO2 Dad, if you call his attack-attack-spin combo early and dash behind him, it's easy to get a Rama Explosive Shot charge shot off. Otherwise, yes, you juts use it as a melee attack, and it's fine.

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Loll, one of my practice saves for Dad has Explosive Shot, so I know this pretty intimately

hearty elbow Jul 30, 2020, 2:46 PM

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Does having a boon in a slot affect chances you get that slot offered by another God?

tepid ridge Jul 30, 2020, 2:58 PM

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It’s much rarer to get a replacement as far as I know. Gods prioritize filling in all “primary slots” in boon rewards

gilded knoll Jul 30, 2020, 3:02 PM

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I think if you kick a God out of your current pool for another you might have a better chance in replacements?

static jacinth Jul 30, 2020, 3:22 PM

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Overall, it's hard to predict what gods will do.

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But they'll try to fill up your Attack, Special, Dash and Call with a somewhat higher priority.

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And in my experience, love trying to steal your athena dash, the jerks.

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Get your milthy mitts away from my deflect.

cunning urchin Jul 30, 2020, 3:23 PM

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Call doesn't have priority. Cast does.

static jacinth Jul 30, 2020, 3:23 PM

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Sorry! I meant to write cast.

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And my brain decided that call worked.

cunning urchin Jul 30, 2020, 3:24 PM

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But you didn't.

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No excuses. Take responsibility. dusa

static jacinth Jul 30, 2020, 3:24 PM

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I made a mistake ;-;

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shadegrief

cunning urchin Jul 30, 2020, 3:25 PM

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10 laps around Elysium, and don't mind the Speeder Flamewheels chasing you. dusa

static jacinth Jul 30, 2020, 3:25 PM

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Oh nooo

gleaming current Jul 30, 2020, 3:59 PM

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Do mind them because if they explode more will spawn in replacement

gilded knoll Jul 30, 2020, 4:34 PM

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Elite ones are terrifying... I have nightmares.

static jacinth Jul 30, 2020, 4:34 PM

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Teleporting and double Speed ones.

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That's the horror.

void fjord Jul 30, 2020, 5:11 PM

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the real horror are the ones that clone and draw you into them

gleaming current Jul 30, 2020, 5:13 PM

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Clones are exclusive to tartarus tho
(unless erebus pulls a funny?)

hearty elbow Jul 30, 2020, 5:47 PM

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Is Puller like a static gravity field or is it pulses that pull you into the enemy?

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Trying to figure out exactly when I'm allowed to dash out of it or not. Seems like the best choice is to spam until it works.

turbid needle Jul 30, 2020, 5:51 PM

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Static gravity field.

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Hope a Nemean Chariot doesn't Shift behind you with a Puller aura right after you've burned all your dashes.

cunning urchin Jul 30, 2020, 6:16 PM

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when I'm allowed to dash out of it
Never.

hearty elbow Jul 30, 2020, 6:17 PM

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Lol, that's what it feels like sometimes

pseudo stream Jul 30, 2020, 6:22 PM

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how do people feel about Thick Skin vs high confidence? I'm at heat 1-3 on all weapons

gleaming current Jul 30, 2020, 6:23 PM

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Whenever you feel like High Confidence will outweigh Thick Skin is perfect situation to use it at. Any other time, Thick Skin

pseudo stream Jul 30, 2020, 6:23 PM

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haha, okay, thanks

turbid needle Jul 30, 2020, 6:23 PM

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High Confidence has very little wiggle room.

cunning urchin Jul 30, 2020, 6:24 PM

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It's honestly mainly for speedruns or when you're farming.

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Or just for fun.

pseudo stream Jul 30, 2020, 6:24 PM

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okay, cool 😄 thanks

cunning urchin Jul 30, 2020, 6:25 PM

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I guess if you do a Pierced Butterfly run, you should take High Confidence.

unkempt pagoda Jul 30, 2020, 6:25 PM

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high confidence imo doesn't have enough of a damage bonus to be worth it, and 80% hp is very high

cunning urchin Jul 30, 2020, 6:25 PM

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Losing 50 HP is a lot.

hearty elbow Jul 30, 2020, 6:26 PM

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High Confidence is also like what, 25%? Additive? It's such a teeny tiny amount of damage, definitely not worth 2 hearts

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Exceptions would be if you're doing Doom/Hangover/Thudner, maybe, if you don't expect to get hit lol

cunning urchin Jul 30, 2020, 6:27 PM

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Additive is perfectly fine.

static jacinth Jul 30, 2020, 6:27 PM

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It's a perfectly named ability.

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Use it when you've got a lot of confidence.

cunning urchin Jul 30, 2020, 6:28 PM

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What if my confidence is so high RI removes the option. squirtooh

hearty elbow Jul 30, 2020, 6:30 PM

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RI2 ezpz, Not like I could actually get Privileged Status anyway with AP2 lol.

gleaming current Jul 30, 2020, 6:32 PM

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Just remember to lodge casts twice as much, I'm sure that will compensate nicely

hearty elbow Jul 30, 2020, 6:32 PM

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All the cast stuff still works. That's RI3

gleaming current Jul 30, 2020, 6:32 PM

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Yeah ik, that's the point

hearty elbow Jul 30, 2020, 6:33 PM

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Oh nvm I understand lol

pseudo stream Jul 30, 2020, 8:16 PM

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for Hera bow, any really good casts or really bad ones?

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being offered Festive Fog (Dionysis) and I can't tell how I feel about it

gleaming current Jul 30, 2020, 8:21 PM

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Festive Fog is about the best you may get for that

lament perch Jul 30, 2020, 9:45 PM

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Is Chaos shield supposed to only send out the extras on special sometimes? I've just upgraded to a second bonus shield and I'm noticing that it doesn't proc every time, sometimes I'm still only throwing one

main osprey Jul 30, 2020, 9:45 PM

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Yes

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It only sends the extras the first time after you bull rush

lament perch Jul 30, 2020, 9:46 PM

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Oh right it does say that lol

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Thanks

main osprey Jul 30, 2020, 9:46 PM

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Sure ^.^

lament perch Jul 30, 2020, 9:47 PM

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Hnnn, do I take the duo (aphro/Athena, and needed for prophecy) or the Epic level exposed?

static jacinth Jul 30, 2020, 9:47 PM

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Fill up your prophecy.

main osprey Jul 30, 2020, 9:47 PM

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Duo

lament perch Jul 30, 2020, 9:47 PM

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I was looking for exposed in particular, but I suspect the duo will be less likely to see again

main osprey Jul 30, 2020, 9:48 PM

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Ish, because you can get the duo from both of them

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How far are you into the run?

lament perch Jul 30, 2020, 9:48 PM

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Chamber 20, in Asphodel

main osprey Jul 30, 2020, 9:49 PM

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You could maybe see the duo again if you want to risk it

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I'd probably just take it though

stiff jacinth Jul 30, 2020, 9:49 PM

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Question for the higher-level players: Do you generally find it more useful to be able to reroll chambers or boons?

main osprey Jul 30, 2020, 9:49 PM

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Boons, personally

lament perch Jul 30, 2020, 9:49 PM

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Duo doesn't do much until I get exposed though either, and exposed lets me proc privileged status

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And I've already used up my Athena summoning charm this run

main osprey Jul 30, 2020, 9:50 PM

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You can get the duo from either one of them

lament perch Jul 30, 2020, 9:51 PM

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Mmmm I'm taking exposed, I'll have a better run if I don't see duo again than if I don't see exposed again

main osprey Jul 30, 2020, 9:51 PM

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Aight. Good luck!

pseudo stream Jul 30, 2020, 10:01 PM

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is it just me or is the hitbox on the aphrodite cast super weird?

turbid needle Jul 30, 2020, 10:01 PM

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Little bit, yeah.

dry ember Jul 30, 2020, 10:01 PM

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is it just me or is the hitbox on the aphrodite cast super weird?
100% yes

main osprey Jul 30, 2020, 10:02 PM

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Yeah

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XD

dry ember Jul 30, 2020, 10:02 PM

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the lodging on it is also quite inconsistent

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you have to be point blank

main osprey Jul 30, 2020, 10:02 PM

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And even then it doesn't always lodge

dry ember Jul 30, 2020, 10:02 PM

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in other news

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I just missed my Chaos fish

main osprey Jul 30, 2020, 10:03 PM

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Feelsbadman

dry ember Jul 30, 2020, 10:03 PM

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thus makes my Chaos fish encounter diary:
First one: walk through the exit as Zag mentions the fish
Second one: OK
Third one: miss the damn thing

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brb gotta kms

main osprey Jul 30, 2020, 10:04 PM

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Just blame Zag's reflexes :P

pseudo stream Jul 30, 2020, 10:05 PM

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ugh. I think it lost me a run 😛

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but I got her prophecy done, so that's good

pseudo stream Jul 30, 2020, 10:33 PM

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uhhh... wtfff.. just fought some shield exalted that split into 5 little dudes, which I've seen before, but then the little dudes seem to have pulsed damage?

mighty ermine Jul 30, 2020, 10:34 PM

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ah, the Popper perk from Benefits Package

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the extra "fake" souls explode after a short period of time, yeah

pseudo stream Jul 30, 2020, 10:34 PM

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what the heck?

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omg, they're fakes?

mighty ermine Jul 30, 2020, 10:34 PM

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or if you destroy them

pseudo stream Jul 30, 2020, 10:34 PM

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how do I handle that?

main osprey Jul 30, 2020, 10:34 PM

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Hit just the real one

mighty ermine Jul 30, 2020, 10:34 PM

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yeah, only one of the souls is the real one, essentially

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the fakes glow pink

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the real one does not

pseudo stream Jul 30, 2020, 10:35 PM

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that's very very good to know, though I think it killed my run

mighty ermine Jul 30, 2020, 10:37 PM

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extra word of warning though: chill can make the souls basically indistinguishable, because the blue glow kind of overrides the telltale pink one for fakes

pseudo stream Jul 30, 2020, 10:37 PM

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that's... not good game design haha

mighty ermine Jul 30, 2020, 10:38 PM

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so just pay extra attention if you're running chill

main osprey Jul 30, 2020, 10:38 PM

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Yeah, we've bought it up xD

pseudo stream Jul 30, 2020, 10:40 PM

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not just the chill bit, the poppers

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"oh god! so many spirits! ahhhh!"

spark lotus Jul 31, 2020, 12:28 AM

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i'm convinced that aphrodite is the best god for melee builds with it's high raw damage and reducing incoming damage. i'm currently running about 10 heat mostly with melee spear and fists. what are other points of view?

dry ember Jul 31, 2020, 12:28 AM

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Fists can use better damage boost than Aphrodite

mighty ermine Jul 31, 2020, 12:28 AM

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was about to say the same

dry ember Jul 31, 2020, 12:28 AM

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Lightning Strike

mighty ermine Jul 31, 2020, 12:29 AM

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quicker hitting weapons with low base damage tend to like zeus more for example

dry ember Jul 31, 2020, 12:29 AM

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Or the infamous Merciful End Fists

main osprey Jul 31, 2020, 12:29 AM

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Aphrodite is best on weapons with already high base damage

static jacinth Jul 31, 2020, 12:29 AM

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I think that Demeter is under appreciated. Applying a big slow quickly really adds a lot of comfort to a run.

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And her attack bonus is nearly as high as Aprhodite's.

mighty ermine Jul 31, 2020, 12:29 AM

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i agree that demeter is more handy than she gets credit for

dry ember Jul 31, 2020, 12:30 AM

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I mean Artic Blast Serrated Point Hades

mighty ermine Jul 31, 2020, 12:30 AM

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some of my mid 40 heat runs made great use of her. alleviates the pressure of FO by a noticeable chunk

dry ember Jul 31, 2020, 12:30 AM

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squirtdevious

static jacinth Jul 31, 2020, 12:30 AM

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Aphro has a boon that increases damage more, but Demeter does as well.

dry ember Jul 31, 2020, 12:30 AM

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So basically Aphrodite is good, but not the end all be all of builds.

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Also you should try Heartbreak Strike on Zag Bow

spark lotus Jul 31, 2020, 12:32 AM

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That's a lot to try out, thanks

dry ember Jul 31, 2020, 12:32 AM

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Yeah. Give Merciful End Fists a try

static jacinth Jul 31, 2020, 12:32 AM

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Not Deadly Strike? To make your crits crittier.

spark lotus Jul 31, 2020, 12:32 AM

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Found Demeter is working amazing with chained spear

dry ember Jul 31, 2020, 12:32 AM

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Doom on Attack, Deflect on Dash

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Look for Merc End

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One of the strongest build in game.

solemn pumice Jul 31, 2020, 12:41 AM

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Is there any difference between normal/rare/epic for the chaos boon that gives +1 cast?

main osprey Jul 31, 2020, 12:42 AM

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Don't think so

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Maybe the difficulty of the bane?

solemn pumice Jul 31, 2020, 12:42 AM

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Which one would be more difficult? thanthink

main osprey Jul 31, 2020, 12:43 AM

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I think more rare = less difficult

gleaming current Jul 31, 2020, 12:43 AM

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^

dry ember Jul 31, 2020, 12:57 AM

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It's the number of rooms i think

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From my experience normal chaos boon is usually 4 rooms

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Rare is 3

willow fossil Jul 31, 2020, 2:03 AM

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Isnt it the reward that changes?

tepid ridge Jul 31, 2020, 2:05 AM

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Not always. Easier could be shrouded rewards or no gold gains. Harder would be taking more damage, not being able to attack without being hurt or more enemy spawns

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I think it checks the difficulty of the bane and the length of time it persists when forming a boon of a given rarity

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Rewards like grasp probably can’t change so the bane has to be adjusted

pseudo stream Jul 31, 2020, 2:54 AM

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is it just me or is Phalanx Shot + fast casting Hermes thingy amazing?

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 3:03 AM

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Phalanx Shot does good damage single target but I typically end up using it as utility to approach enemies or deflect something pre-emptively. It's probably fine though if you Flurry Cast it with Poseidon Aspect or something.

dry ember Jul 31, 2020, 3:05 AM

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is it just me or is Phalanx Shot + fast casting Hermes thingy amazing?
Yes

pseudo stream Jul 31, 2020, 3:07 AM

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just on its own, aoe damage that comes out fast and prevents things from hitting you is super good in a lot of Elysium

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I'm only on heat 1-5, but so far that thing does work

dry ember Jul 31, 2020, 3:13 AM

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there are a lot of combo that are really fun to use

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my personal favorites are:
Critical Trio: Deadly Reversal + Heart Rend
Love Drunk: Curse of Longing + Curse of Nausea + Low Tolerance
Ice Win: Ice Wine + Scintillating Feast + Cold Fusion
Merciful End: Merciful End ¯_(ツ)_/¯

gleaming current Jul 31, 2020, 3:31 AM

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Merciless Start + Merciful End
smh

main osprey Jul 31, 2020, 3:32 AM

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That's just a Mercy Journey

gleaming current Jul 31, 2020, 3:33 AM

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Pretty fitting name for a combo itself

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Pacifist route with zagreus blade

stray thunder Jul 31, 2020, 3:33 AM

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Finally got Winter Harvest, to complete final god prophecy. Took forever to get it to turn up. Thought it was decent, until I realized that it also shatters bosses at 10%.

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10% is a decent chunk of HP

main osprey Jul 31, 2020, 3:34 AM

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Yup

gleaming current Jul 31, 2020, 3:37 AM

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Not to mention for bosses it's usually the last phase when they are the most dangerous

unkempt pagoda Jul 31, 2020, 3:40 AM

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and it's also cool

gleaming current Jul 31, 2020, 3:42 AM

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The animation is badass, no doubt

stray thunder Jul 31, 2020, 3:47 AM

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Demeter throwing shade at Hades after explosion is added bonus (don't recall if she did for Theseus as well, that would be added gravy)

mighty ermine Jul 31, 2020, 4:03 AM

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it isn't exactly any sort of personal line towards whoever is subject to the harvest execution; the gods can't directly see what's happening or who exactly Zag is fighting really

last panther Jul 31, 2020, 4:30 AM

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is bull rush considered an "attack" - like from chaos, improving "attack" improves bull rush damage?

dry ember Jul 31, 2020, 4:31 AM

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yes

pseudo stream Jul 31, 2020, 4:33 AM

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did I hear earlier that Zag fists are bugged and don't get hte attack speed?

dry ember Jul 31, 2020, 4:36 AM

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no, it does

pseudo stream Jul 31, 2020, 4:41 AM

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I can't tell the difference

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okay I think I found it

dry ember Jul 31, 2020, 4:42 AM

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I can kinda tell

pseudo stream Jul 31, 2020, 4:42 AM

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thanks 😄

dry ember Jul 31, 2020, 4:43 AM

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the best way to tell is by feeling the combo timing. zag fists finishes the combo just a touch faster than other fists.

pseudo stream Jul 31, 2020, 4:52 AM

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god the fists are fun

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I keep forgetting I'm not Talos

stray thunder Jul 31, 2020, 5:05 AM

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@mighty ermine It sounded like it was directed at Hades, but I suppose that could have been coincidental. Perfect timing in any case

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Someone remind me: how do you increase stubborn defiance heal %?

mighty ermine Jul 31, 2020, 5:07 AM

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yeah, she has some really cool lines regardless, but they're not very directed in any way other than demeter basically knowing she's assisting Zagreus in defeating whatever's in his way

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the presentation of harvest boss kills is just such a treat

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you can increase SD healing by purchasing kiss of styx from wells of charon, and pat gives out a much more powerful version in elysium if you run into him

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and of course, you can stack them

stray thunder Jul 31, 2020, 5:10 AM

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got it, thanks!

pseudo stream Jul 31, 2020, 5:59 AM

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For Guan Yu, how important to playing is the healing? I haven’t levelled mine up yet, trying to figure out if I want to

last panther Jul 31, 2020, 6:02 AM

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Can someone clarify the details on Guan Yu and the pact's LC?

dry ember Jul 31, 2020, 6:07 AM

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@pseudo stream depends on your build. Charged Skewer Deadly Flourish build? No.
Serrated Point Hunter Dash build? Maybe.
Deadly Strike Massive Spin Quick Spin? Absolutely.

pseudo stream Jul 31, 2020, 6:07 AM

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Oh goodness. I don’t know any words haha

dry ember Jul 31, 2020, 6:08 AM

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@last panther GY healing is separate from LC. You heal for 2 no matter what level LC (yes, you can heal through LC4). GY heals are not affected by Nourished Soul either.
Tldr, GY healz are 2 per hit no matter what.

last panther Jul 31, 2020, 6:09 AM

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2 per hit?

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Feels like 1 per hit GWbowsuBlobThonkeng

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good to know, thanks

pseudo stream Jul 31, 2020, 6:09 AM

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What’s LC?

dry ember Jul 31, 2020, 6:09 AM

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Lasting Consequences

last panther Jul 31, 2020, 6:09 AM

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(see pins)

dry ember Jul 31, 2020, 6:09 AM

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A Pact of Punishment option that limits your healing

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Also pins are in #h1-high-heat-strategies, not here :D

last panther Jul 31, 2020, 6:10 AM

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oh right

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true meta -> giving an offering to bouldy

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GWpinkuKittyHeheh

pseudo stream Jul 31, 2020, 6:10 AM

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Ah, I’ve beaten it at least once with each pact, so I recognize it... just not the name

last panther Jul 31, 2020, 6:10 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/piwMulb.png

Imgur

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GWlulurdMegaLul

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don't get me wrong, I love it

dry ember Jul 31, 2020, 6:11 AM

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As for your ealier questions, @pseudo stream, basically you can ignore GY healing on special build

pseudo stream Jul 31, 2020, 6:11 AM

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Do people generally end up with a specific build?

dry ember Jul 31, 2020, 6:11 AM

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Tentatively yes

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You won't always get everything you want

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But people tend to aim for 2-3 boons that they want

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That's why the keepsake sequence of God - God - Acorn - Acorn is fairly popular

pseudo stream Jul 31, 2020, 6:12 AM

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Oh really? Huh. I’m fairly adaptive, but I also play a different weapon every run cuz yay darkness

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My current sequence is always coins, ?, acorn, uhh... 1.5 sec invulnerability (makes poison a lot easier to handle)

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Coins seems like by far the best start, if you don’t need a super specific build?

dry ember Jul 31, 2020, 6:13 AM

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You can do whatever you feel comfortable with.

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At higher heat people tend to prefer consistency

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So they force a god or two

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And then Acorn because bosses hit hard

last panther Jul 31, 2020, 6:15 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/hqV6IWk.png

Imgur

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which way should I go? GWbowsuBlobThonkeng

random hull Jul 31, 2020, 6:15 AM

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Right

last panther Jul 31, 2020, 6:15 AM

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using Guan Yu

dry ember Jul 31, 2020, 6:15 AM

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What do you have?

last panther Jul 31, 2020, 6:15 AM

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bouldy

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also https://i.imgur.com/bTiPwlJ.png

Imgur

random hull Jul 31, 2020, 6:16 AM

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Hammers tend to reappear later.

dry ember Jul 31, 2020, 6:16 AM

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Left

last panther Jul 31, 2020, 6:16 AM

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hammer is like "you only get me twice"

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in almost all my runs

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and I really want the upgrade for spin attack thingy

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but on the other hand

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two booooons

dry ember Jul 31, 2020, 6:16 AM

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Nothing Poseidon or Ares can offer is that good on GY

last panther Jul 31, 2020, 6:16 AM

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fair enough

dry ember Jul 31, 2020, 6:16 AM

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Maybe Battle Rage

random hull Jul 31, 2020, 6:16 AM

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Hammers can only be gotten twice, but will reassert themselves later.

last panther Jul 31, 2020, 6:17 AM

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oh

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that IS a thing

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lol

random hull Jul 31, 2020, 6:17 AM

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I see Fox‘ point though, these gods don’t do much for your weapon.

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I tried to answer the question more in general

last panther Jul 31, 2020, 6:18 AM

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greaaaat top or bottom https://i.imgur.com/SgkULFl.png

Imgur

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I think top?

dry ember Jul 31, 2020, 6:18 AM

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Top

last panther Jul 31, 2020, 6:18 AM

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ye

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I already got the bottom one for the fates

dry ember Jul 31, 2020, 6:18 AM

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Winged Serpent is a nrwbie trap imo

last panther Jul 31, 2020, 6:18 AM

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lol

dry ember Jul 31, 2020, 6:18 AM

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If you find Deadly Strike

last panther Jul 31, 2020, 6:19 AM

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it should increase the damage or heals - since it is Guan Yu exclusive

dry ember Jul 31, 2020, 6:19 AM

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You can do nasty things like this

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https://streamable.com/fdj77r

Streamable

Doomstone What Doomstone

▶ Play video

last panther Jul 31, 2020, 6:20 AM

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GWseremePeepoGGERS

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nice

dry ember Jul 31, 2020, 6:20 AM

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That's with Massive Spin and Deadly Strike alone

late schooner Jul 31, 2020, 6:35 AM

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lol, you can proc aspect of hestia on two shots at the same time

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reload
start reloading again
quickly attack twice at the reload end

last panther Jul 31, 2020, 6:38 AM

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I just got quick spin

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this run is in the bag

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distEZ

dry ember Jul 31, 2020, 6:39 AM

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@late schooner wait for real?

late schooner Jul 31, 2020, 6:39 AM

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yes

random hull Jul 31, 2020, 6:39 AM

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Overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer

dry ember Jul 31, 2020, 6:39 AM

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That's game changing if that's true

random hull Jul 31, 2020, 6:40 AM

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Wait wrong narrator

dry ember Jul 31, 2020, 6:40 AM

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Hades sweeps for 80 with Boiling Blood

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Quickly how the tide turns

stray thunder Jul 31, 2020, 6:47 AM

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Wait wrong narrator
@random hull Best narrator (sorry Logan!). I would love it if Wayne June narrated my Hades runs

last panther Jul 31, 2020, 6:51 AM

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I mean

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I just kept doing charge attacks against the champions and decided for the lulz to kill the king first

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full HP babyyyy GWlulurdMegaLul

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https://i.imgur.com/joziyhE.png

Imgur

untold vortex Jul 31, 2020, 6:52 AM

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Pog

last panther Jul 31, 2020, 6:52 AM

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I dunno about healing 2 hp per hit

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but with Athena's boon on attack, I was deflecting everything from the bull and healing anyway

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I didn't get overconfident enough to experiment on deflecting non-projectiles and if they can still hit me or not, but anyway

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oh man, this place is gonna be a breeze GWeebDaijobuSanta https://i.imgur.com/Pkppz92.jpg

Imgur

late schooner Jul 31, 2020, 6:57 AM

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Athena's/Artemis' attack and charge and damage+area upgrades is autowin with this aspect

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but with my luck i can also say upgrades are not necessary

turbid heart Jul 31, 2020, 7:44 AM

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just did a Hera Bow run on high heat and ended up with 5 casts. easy mode

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 7:54 AM

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perfect bow run imho would be:
hera bow
poseidon attack + rupture
zeus special + jolted
z/p duo boon
artemis cast
duo shot
fully loaded

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 7:57 AM

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Why bother with Zeus Special if you're getting Sea Storm anyway? Might as well use Zeus Call with Poseidon Special if you're dreaming big 😛

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 7:58 AM

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i dont think zeus call is all that good on bow tbqh

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too short range

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 8:00 AM

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It's still a better pre-req for Sea Storm. And it's fine pretty much whenever. You don't really have the luxury to play from infinite range in this game.

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 8:01 AM

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yeah, but you should at least try to be keeping your distance

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dashing backwards and all that

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generally my preferred calls on bow are demeter and poseidon, cuz they force things to get off you super quickly

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 8:01 AM

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You will want to be point blank to collect your bloodstones and blow things up with Sea Storm special. Dodging stuff should be mostly irrelevant if they're dead.

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The Hera burst + point blank sea storm + Zeus call should more or less melt anything, including bosses.

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 8:03 AM

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i mean, agreeable

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but the hera burst + point blank sea storm can melt most things regardless

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so why not do it from a safe distance then dash in to collect your bloodstones afterwards?

last panther Jul 31, 2020, 8:04 AM

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me with companion summmons: BUT I MIGHT NEED IT LATER

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 8:04 AM

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😛 Can't do special sea storm with Zeus special though. It only activates once.

last panther Jul 31, 2020, 8:04 AM

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never uses it

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 8:05 AM

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I have a 50/50 shot of remembering that the damage companions can't be used on Dad. I'll try anyway

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The worst is when I try to use companion for iframes against Dad lol.

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 8:05 AM

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why take damaging companions when sysiphus exists?

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i mean, excluding lc4

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in which case, why take damaging companions when skelly exists?

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 8:06 AM

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There is something very charming about instantly killing Soul Catcher or phasing Asterius in Elysium

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It's generally a matter of fulfilling Tight Deadline. Skelly is good (and Bouldy is good too, particularly when you're learning or when you need Darkness), but it doesn't really help kill stuff faster.

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I'd be more of a fan of Skelly if Flamewheels didn't so often come with Chariots, which next to instakill poor Skelly with HL5

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 8:09 AM

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generally with td, elysium is the only point in the run i think people need to worry about

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 8:09 AM

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@last panther Serpent Slash heals for 1 HP per hit.

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 8:09 AM

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or styx if rng is mean

last panther Jul 31, 2020, 8:09 AM

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called it

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 8:10 AM

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i guess damaging companions help more when it comes to phasing the elysium bosses

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 8:10 AM

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@dry ember is just not very good with numbers, that's why he's studying math. squirtdevious

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 8:10 AM

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but really, if you arent online enough to beat the elysium dps check without them, then the run kind of seems dead anyways

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 8:12 AM

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I've started using Dusa with Damage Control. She feels like Skelly in normal encounters but also does wayyy more damage that I expected if she always has something to target. And she doesn't just whiff on newly spawned mobs like the other damaging companions

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 8:12 AM

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Well, if the Chariots insta-kill Skelly, they didn't insta-kill Zagreus.

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 8:14 AM

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had a 40 heat attempt end to a room of slow aura chariots with teleports

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and that felt really bad

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 8:14 AM

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Yeah... I don't really mind Shifter on most enemies but it makes dancing around Chariots feel kind of pointless

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 8:14 AM

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ikr?

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also- where does it say the perk names? cant find it in game or on the wiki

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 8:15 AM

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In game, it's in the minor prophecy list

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 8:15 AM

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people are saying stuff like "bruiser" and "shifter" and i just dont have points of reference lol

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 8:16 AM

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It's also pinned here.

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 8:17 AM

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but yes, i remember first booting up the blood price beta

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playing up until elysium and seeing the "flame wheel release" in a well

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and just thinking to myself "this seems like a band-aid to a larger problem"

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 8:19 AM

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It isn't, though.

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 8:20 AM

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Flame wheels are kind of exaggerated in their relative danger levels. It's only problematic with FO2 and BP2, and even then only with certain builds.

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Have we figured out if the Release effectively decreases spawn sizes for packs that would have Flame Wheels, or does it just replace them?

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 8:22 AM

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It removes them from the spawn pool. That's it. You can tell pretty easily from the chamber difficulty increasing like normal.

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 8:22 AM

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Bummer. So yeah I don't feel bad for not buying it except to fulfill the prophecy

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 8:24 AM

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i think the issue with flame wheels is that some builds just dont have answers for them

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which cant be said about almost any other enemy

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 8:25 AM

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Every build can dash through obstacles.

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 8:25 AM

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Divine, Drunken, Blade, Tidal Dash, dashing behind walls, defensive calls, all calls give iframes...

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Skelly works great in those rooms too.

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 8:28 AM

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Not all builds are supposed to be equally strong, anyway.

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 8:28 AM

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tidal dash isnt really an answer tho, as if you kill them with the leap you still take recoil damage
has the same issue that heartbreak dash does

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 8:28 AM

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Tidal Dash has an enormous range, and gives pushback, which should give you time to dash again

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 8:28 AM

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dashing through walls seems to be the only consistent counter

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 8:29 AM

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Well, there you go. A fundamental solution that works with every build.

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Except a Chaos Curse build where you stack Chaos Curses and nothing else. failbag

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 8:30 AM

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like, i'll take nyaa's word for it given that they're certified good at this game

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that said, i think that they're still problematic design given the amount of people who have issues with them and how little fun i think they are at times

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 8:31 AM

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Chariots have a far less interactive playstyle I think.

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And deal like 3 Flame Wheels worth of damage... per hit

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 8:32 AM

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I bet people die a lot more to something like Chariots or Strongbows in Elysium. It just hurts on a deeper level to be killed my Flamewheels.

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Games need some frustrating challenges to overcome, though.

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 8:33 AM

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i think a more intuitive solution to flamewheels would either be make it so they deal damage to enemies when they explode too so you can clear the entire pack following you at once instead of having to let them die one by one
or for them to not deal damage to you if you kill them so sword/fist guys have an easier time

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 8:33 AM

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The vast majority of issues I have with enemies comes from corner case BP2 combos

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with FO2

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Someone suggested that Flamewheels could consume their own life as fuel then explode when they run out

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I thought that was nifty, and flavorful

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 8:34 AM

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yeah, it would also give them a set timer that you could play around

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but instead, we got "add an item that removes them from the game"

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 8:35 AM

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It's mostly a meme

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To acknowledge the hordes of salt lords

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 8:35 AM

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hey i've never lost a run because i'm bad

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everything is this poo poo games rngs fault

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 8:36 AM

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I mean, you only get the option to buy Flamewheel Release every once in a while.

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 8:37 AM

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honestly, i'd say the most problematic enemies are the satyrs and snakestones in styx

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 8:37 AM

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Why are they problematic?

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 8:38 AM

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with satyrs, i think this is an early game problem but with FO, their windup time is actually shorter than their audio queue

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 8:38 AM

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I think "problematic" meaning that the play patterns are toxic and unreactable. So, certain BP2 FO2 enemies, like Chariots and Greatshield projectiles. Rats (of all types) also fall in that category, as they have next to no animation or windup whatsoever.

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 8:38 AM

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which means that if theyre off-screen you have very little ability to react to them

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 8:39 AM

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The audio queue is well before they shoot. thanthink

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 8:39 AM

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I think satyrs are also overblown. You can very consistently dodge/deflect them, on reaction

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even with FO2

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 8:40 AM

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yes, but if you get poisoned then you take a very large amount of damage very quickly

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which i guess is the point

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 8:40 AM

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I mean, you got hit by an attack. Surely you should take damage.

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 8:40 AM

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yes, but there's an upper limit on what damage is "acceptable"

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 8:41 AM

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It's not really too bad to position around the cure wells though

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 8:42 AM

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yes, i'll agree to that

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however, failing an i-frame against an off-screen enemy =/= 50 hp

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or at least i dont feel it should be

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with snakestones, i mostly just think the buff to their tracking speed they got a few patches ago was unwarrented
but i can live with it

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 8:43 AM

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If you take the median amount of damage you should take from satyrs assuming that you position around the wells, most of the time you should be curing it near instantly. You just remember the times you take 50+ damage more because it feels bad.

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 8:44 AM

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You can equip the Broken Spearpoint if Poison is a problem.

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 8:44 AM

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yes, which i do

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 8:45 AM

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You can also, if you know that off-screen Satyrs are bad, make sure they're not off-screen.

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Or position yourself behind obstacles that shield you.

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 8:45 AM

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you guys should really change your name to hypnos

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cuz this is the level of advice i feel like im getting right now

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lmao

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 8:46 AM

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The only room that may be slightly problematic to position around wells is the one with two spinning blade traps surrounding the well. Lots of open areas, and one of the wells is behind a poison trap

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 8:46 AM

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ugh i hate that room

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i feel like having a deflect is essential to get through that one unscathed

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 8:46 AM

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Not really, you just camp the obstacles below the blade traps, where they terminate

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 8:47 AM

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ok but then rats spawn and place some goo in that area

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 8:47 AM

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Lol, yeah, stuff will happen and you won't ever be totally comfortable.

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 8:48 AM

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yeah, honestly i love the rat goo mechanic so much

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you know spitters from left 4 dead? its essentially like that.

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instantly creates a positioning puzzle

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probably my favorite enemy in styx

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 8:49 AM

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I mean, making sure to not lose sight of enemies with dangerous projectiles is something you'll absolutely have to learn to beat the highest heats. Similar with room layouts, so that you know where to fight and dash to avoid projectiles. Or circling enemy waves, so that you always move perpendicular to projectiles.

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 8:49 AM

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^

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 8:51 AM

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well to have los on all enemies, enemies need to spawn in that los

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tho not even sure why im arguing with this given that i largely agree with it. guess im just feeling contrarian tonight

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 8:53 AM

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In the words of Scooter from Borderlands:

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"Try not to die~!"

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 8:54 AM

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guess im just salty about my feedback getting 4 downvotes despite being objectively correct and am taking it out in here

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 8:55 AM

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Lmao, salt intensifying.

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 8:56 AM

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they literally replace your cast!!! they dont have any synergy with other casts and if you swap out tidal shot, they dissappear!!!

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not even like the tipsy shot duos where they all stack!

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but yeah, i'll remove it. the masses have spoken

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 8:57 AM

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Why bother removing it. It's still a valid opinion

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 8:58 AM

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because people generally think its a dumb idea, and standing by it makes me feel like a clown

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||even though its correct||

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 8:59 AM

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Lol, if anything, it's not a very easy problem to solve, but if they could come up with a more meaningful organization for boons other than a pile.

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 8:59 AM

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guess that raises the question of how do you sort through the pile

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 9:00 AM

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Well, for starters, similar to your idea I guess, to have boons that modify certain abilities to have proximity to those abilities

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That's complicated too though since some abilities like Hangover could be visually in 4 or 6 different places

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including passives

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 9:01 AM

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maybe chain together dependencies so you know that if you lose one boon, then it invalidates all the others?

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oh, since nyaa is here, they might know this

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does hangover have a set amount of ticks or a set duration?

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 9:03 AM

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both? 2/s for 5s

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 9:03 AM

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well, i bring it up because of the duo with ares

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 9:04 AM

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if each tick takes 0.5 seconds, then it's a 20% increase to go to 0.4 seconds

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which is how Curse of Nausea is phrased

random hull Jul 31, 2020, 9:04 AM

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Some visual indicator warning of losing benefits beyond the boon when purging could help. But that doesn't solve the overarching problem of boon dependencies being meta-knowledge that isn't properly explained in-game. One could counter-argue that finding out is part of gitting gud, so there is no clear-cut solution.

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 9:05 AM

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so it lowers the duration of hangover stacks then?

random hull Jul 31, 2020, 9:05 AM

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As far as I know, curse duration is only altered when explicitly stated in a boon description. As such, I would assume that Curse of Nausea increases the amount of ticks.

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 9:05 AM

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no, over 5 seconds, that's more ticks

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 9:06 AM

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ah

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and the counter-argument that "knowing that is part of gitting gud" is super weaksauce imho

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when a duo boon says "Your Cast moves slowly, piercing foes and firing shards around it." but only actually replaces your cast entirely and only applies to one cast type, thats not meta knowledge. thats the game lying to you

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treating a cast replacement as a cast replacement seems like the more obvious solution to that

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which is why i'm dying on this hill

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 9:08 AM

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It does exactly what it says, though.

random hull Jul 31, 2020, 9:08 AM

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Blizzard Shot still has traits of Flood shot, namely the knockback, and the base damage of the initial projectile.

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 9:09 AM

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It's not that your hill of death is bad... It's just that it's not exactly... good. There is more merit to the existing system than you're giving credit

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 9:10 AM

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the text implies that if you swap out flood shot for divine shot or something, then divine shot would inherit the properties of slower movespeed, piercing enemies, and ice shards flying around it

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but lose the knockback

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if the text were specific to tidal shot and didnt refer to general casts, the game wouldn't be lying to you, but it doesnt

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 9:11 AM

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I will agree with that point, that could be clarified better.

random hull Jul 31, 2020, 9:11 AM

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Quick question: Is it even possible to swap out a cast boon that is influenced by a duo (I never encountered the situation before)? Isn't it a far better solution to just disable that possibility then?

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 9:11 AM

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Some of the cast duos are actively terrible for some builds

random hull Jul 31, 2020, 9:12 AM

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True that.

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 9:12 AM

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this is my flag > 🏴
this is my corpse > 💀
this is my hill > 🗻

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 9:12 AM

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Like if I want value Flood Shot in a bow build and I happen to have Doom somewhere, I do not want curse of drowning

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I should rephrase, I "kind of" want Curse of Drowning. As 400 gold is very nice

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 9:14 AM

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wait, redacting that statement

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does actually inherit the damage values of flood shot

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 9:14 AM

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Lol, I still read it, too late. That's just wrong 😛

random hull Jul 31, 2020, 9:15 AM

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You would still need the Flood shot boon seperately in the system to level it up or change its rarity.

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Replacing it with the duo would remove that possibility.

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 9:16 AM

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is the engine hard coded to not allow duo boons to be levelled up?

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i thought that was an exception built in to duos and legendaries, not the default

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 9:18 AM

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It's much simpler to understand if it works the way it does now

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I think the cleanest solution would be a meta-tag somewhere in the Duo text box that says "modifies Flood Shot"

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 9:20 AM

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alternatively:

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just make it a cast boon bouldy

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 9:21 AM

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lol

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 9:42 AM

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Does the aphro-ares combo boon that makes Doom repeat feel mildly underwhelming to anyone else?

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 9:43 AM

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It's twice as whelming as it used to be at least, but yeah, it's "okay"

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 9:44 AM

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If the damage didn't decline so rapidly I feel like I would appreciate it more.

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 9:44 AM

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most doom boons feel kind of "eh"
except merciful end

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 9:44 AM

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Still discovering which cast types are completely inefficient with Hera Aspect

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 9:45 AM

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(answer: everything but artemis)

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 9:45 AM

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Demeter's also seems to fall short for me

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It isn't bad, just not a fan of when it misses.

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How does the Ares pulse cast react with a loaded shot?

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Does it pulse off the target or you still once fired

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 9:46 AM

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demeter cast i feel super conflicted on, because it's super cool and super fun, but its damage numbers just arent there

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and the latter

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 9:47 AM

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Bleh so still not good on ranged.

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 9:47 AM

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honestly, the best cast on hera is artemis, mainly because it builds into double shot and exit wounds, which build into fully loaded

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 9:48 AM

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Wait you actually like Artemis with it?

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 9:48 AM

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its super best in slot

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 9:49 AM

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Partial to Poseidon in slot but maybe I was just doing the Artemis cast wrong.

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 9:49 AM

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For Hera? Pretty sure trippy shot is still that

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 9:49 AM

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I like casts that lodge themselves personally

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On bows anyway

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For the damage boost and exit wounds

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 9:50 AM

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Exit wounds is nice with hera, yeah

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 9:50 AM

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Kinda wish Chaos offered more... chaotic boons.

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Like random effects or something of that nature

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 9:51 AM

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wait, duo shot was removed with blood price?

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 9:51 AM

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No?

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 9:51 AM

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The highest-heat clear with Hera is from bablo, and they're convinced Crush Shot is best.

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 9:51 AM

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I got it just the other day

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 9:51 AM

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crush shot i used to swear by, but its like, unfathomably buggy in my experience

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 9:51 AM

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"Best" depends on a whole lot of things, anyway.

untold vortex Jul 31, 2020, 9:52 AM

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no dual shot is now a duo boon (forget the name)

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 9:52 AM

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Yeah with Poseiden and Artemis

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 9:52 AM

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I've never had any issues with Crush Shot on Hera to be honest.

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 9:53 AM

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i played with it a lot while it was still split shot

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and stopped taking it due to the aformentioned bugs

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 9:53 AM

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I wanna make more use out of Talos personally. I love the gauntlets because I love punchy weapons

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 9:53 AM

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it might have been sorted out with its rework

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since aretmis cast no longer builds into duo shot, i might rank it lower
but the consistent burst damage combined with the fact that it still builds into fully loaded makes me think its still top 3

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 9:53 AM

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Kinda wish it had the ability to throw people though

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 9:54 AM

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thats my thesis, altho tipsy shot is very good

random hull Jul 31, 2020, 9:55 AM

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Isn't Poseidon special quite close to throwing stuff with Talos, though?

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 9:55 AM

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I mean yeah basically but i want to physically turn bodies into projectiles

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 9:55 AM

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Legendary boons are a non-factor at high heats, at least.

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Average damage from True Shot alone isn't that high.

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 9:56 AM

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Granted we don't know what the "secret" final aspect of gauntlet is

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 9:58 AM

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Aspect of Lady Aphrodite.

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Aspect of Nyx.

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"Let's punch some lights out."

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 9:59 AM

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hera bow tier list from my experience:
A: True Shot, Tipsy Shot
B: Tidal Shot, Crush Shot
C: Divine Shot, Slicing Shot
D (stands for for "Don't"): Crystal Shot, Electric Shot
Take Nyaan's word for it over mine when it comes to heat levels over 34 since thats the highest clear i have with a bow

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and holy f i didnt know i wanted nyx aspect on fists until now

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 10:00 AM

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Make it's special a blink punch

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 10:00 AM

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posted to #self-promotion, finally finished a recorded 49 Rama run 😄 😄 😄

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 10:00 AM

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Or even give it "stealth kill" abilities

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 10:01 AM

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stealth and i frames

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wait, why isnt there a god that gives stealth and i frames?

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 10:01 AM

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Was literally just thinking that.

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 10:01 AM

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bastion and transistor both had those as options

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 10:01 AM

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Like have it come at the cost of max health like with Curse on sword.

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Which I love by the way... till I got caught out by poison and my small life total was instantly punished.

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 10:03 AM

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the pact you make with curse sword and china spear is "small mistakes mean nothing, big mistakes mean dead run"

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 10:03 AM

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I don't know much about any of the secret aspects except for Aspect of ||Lucifer|| due to a Horheristo run

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Which is literally the only content I've viewed on this game to sustain my sense of discovery with ir

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 10:04 AM

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With HL5 and RI3, every mistake is a big mistake. squirtooh

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 10:05 AM

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Which... I suppose ||Lucifer's Aspects|| raises a lot of questions for me about the overworld.

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 10:05 AM

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imagine taking curse sword with lc4

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 10:05 AM

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And BP2. BP2 itself is a mistake one shouldn't make. failbag

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Cursed Slash isn't affected by LC4.

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 10:05 AM

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wait, really?

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is hidden spear also not touched?

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 10:06 AM

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Cursed Slash is a fun way to play. Gives me bloodborne vibes

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 10:06 AM

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Correct.

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 10:06 AM

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Wish there was a way to start with it

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 10:06 AM

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wait, are they also not affected by the demeter boon?

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 10:07 AM

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Correct.

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 10:07 AM

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huh tmyk

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i tend not to play with them that often since i favor playing overly cautous

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 10:07 AM

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The "increased friendly from all sources" boon?

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 10:08 AM

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and yeah

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"from all sources*
*some terms and conditions apply"

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 10:08 AM

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I'm a highly aggressive player. All in or not at all..... probably why I keep dying to Hades' second phase.

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And in general.

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 10:09 AM

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if you just want to faceroll, stack aphro attack and damage reduction + dodge chance

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you can just facetank at that point

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note- this falls off on heats above 20

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 10:10 AM

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Well less face tano and more.... never stop pressing the dash button.

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 10:10 AM

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Or Divine Dash + Greatest Reflexes. Or just Divine Dash honestly

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 10:10 AM

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Unless I'm playing with the bow or gun

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 10:10 AM

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i just assume divine dash is a given at this point

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 10:10 AM

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Then I play more safe and strategic

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Granted the furthest I've ever gotten was with the Shield.

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And that was half way through Hades' second phase.

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 10:12 AM

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my first hades clear was with lightning rod

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basically just threw all my cast stones on the floor and kited

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 10:12 AM

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Lightning Rod?

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 10:12 AM

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its an artemis + zeus duo boon

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 10:13 AM

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Aaaah gotcha. I don't use Zeus boons much so I haven't gotten it yet

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 10:13 AM

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makes uncollected cast stones fire lightning

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 10:13 AM

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Oh nice o.o

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 10:13 AM

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More typically dilutes your Zeus and Artemis pools and is sold for 400

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 10:14 AM

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Zeus boons tend to only be on my mind when I'm using the gun

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 10:15 AM

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zeus has historically been one of the weaker gods dps-wise. he's been getting buffs recently and i'm told he's actually worth it now, but it still feels wrong taking him

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 10:15 AM

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I mean, Haelian's 53 used Thunder Flourish

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 10:16 AM

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He feels good on the gun because it essentially double's it's damage and gives it the chain thing

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 10:16 AM

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what weapon/aspect was he using?

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 10:16 AM

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Though Jolt feels worse than Rend

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 10:16 AM

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Chaos Aspect

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 10:16 AM

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yeah sounds about right

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thunder flourish is also decent on chiron bow

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 10:16 AM

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Not anymore

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 10:16 AM

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Need to max my chaos, feels bad at level one

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 10:16 AM

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oh?

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 10:16 AM

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Only procs once every .2 seconds, so... once

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You may get 2 procs if the arrows align just right

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 10:17 AM

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does that limit also apply to sea storm?

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 10:17 AM

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I wanna do Drunken Flourish on Chiron as soon as I unlock it

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 10:17 AM

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No, sea storm applies per knockback

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 10:18 AM

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so thats what you want to gun for on chiron then

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 10:18 AM

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Drunken Flourish feels better on Rama I think. Conceptually very similar though

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 10:18 AM

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hangover damage still feels kind of bad to me

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 10:18 AM

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I just did 49 with Hangover 😛

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 10:18 AM

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I don't even have access to Rama so I wouldn't know TwT

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 10:18 AM

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doesnt really come online until you get a few poms and duos

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 10:19 AM

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Hangover with Chill is probably my favorite status effect duo

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 10:19 AM

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it is however better with the blood price update

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 10:19 AM

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It scales very well with duos and poms, but also stuff like Privileged Status

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 10:19 AM

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yeah, generally my favorite combo is weak + chill

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 10:19 AM

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I want to play around with Demeter abilities more but I just unlocked access to her

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 10:19 AM

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it makes the game so much safer

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 10:19 AM

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Though obviously I had no access to any of that for that run, but I did get very fortunate with Black Out

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 10:20 AM

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oh, so you had hangover supplemented with tipsy shot

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 10:21 AM

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It was mostly for AoE damage. Rama does a pretty good job of mixing damage sources. Deadly Strike + Explosive Shot for single target

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 10:21 AM

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If only hangover ticks applies to Cursed Slash XD

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 10:21 AM

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honestly, i kind of think rama's special passive would have been better suited to standard bow special

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bow special's honestly kind of laughable. i dont think i've ever been able to make it work as anything beyond a bullet clear

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chiron builds not withstanding of course

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 10:22 AM

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Charged Volley + Consecutive Fire is very good on Zag/Hera

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 10:22 AM

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I like using it with Doom

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 10:22 AM

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Deadly Flourish

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 10:23 AM

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yeah, the benefit of putting doom on it is that it doesnt rely on special base damage to work

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divine flourish is actually spectacular on bow

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 10:23 AM

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Yeah basically

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 10:23 AM

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mostly i view bow special as "put duo boon prereq here"

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 10:24 AM

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Unfortunately the opportunity cost of using the horrible cast time of the bow special makes it a lot less enticing to spread Doom versus just getting more power shots

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 10:24 AM

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yeah, i think landing duo shots feels spectacular on bow

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that said, it kind of feels like im putting in a lot of work to get damage numbers spear and shield get for free

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 10:25 AM

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Outside of Charged Skewer, spear has some of the worst damage numbers in the game

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 10:26 AM

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hades aspect?

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 10:26 AM

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with Serrated Point it's pretty good

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Would hardly call it free though

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 10:28 AM

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generally in the amount of time it takes to charge one power shot, you can get 1-2 spear hits in

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with no outside factors, if you get spear + spear dash attack in, you're dealing around 50ish damage
then with the bow, getting the power shot is around 60

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so the bow has slightly more dps, but it also has a higher skill floor and leaves you vulnerable for longer

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and thats my hot take, feels like youre not getting that much of a reward for putting in more work

static jacinth Jul 31, 2020, 10:31 AM

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I like lightning flourish Zag aspect.

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 10:31 AM

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on spear?

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correction, according to the wiki attack + dash attack is 45 damage

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 10:34 AM

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Not gonna lie, mildly surprised there are no fire status effects.

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 10:34 AM

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they're being added when haphaestus is

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 10:35 AM

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Oooooh so Haphaestus is getting added?

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 10:35 AM

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yeah

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you should totally dm the staff about it

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ask them all about their plans to add every greek god

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 10:35 AM

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That sounds like a trap

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 10:36 AM

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It could be a whole thing of Haphaestus claiming his hammers back from Daedalus

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 10:36 AM

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no, thats his legendary

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he drops a third hammer for you

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and it doesnt count towards the two you get naturally

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 10:36 AM

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Iris with her rainbow themed boons, Apollo with a sky laser that blinds opponents and gives them a miss chance, Hera with her....

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Uh...

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 10:36 AM

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its really cool, jen even has an awesome visually striking design planned

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hera has butterflies

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 10:37 AM

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Not sure what Hera would do... throw you off a mountain?

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 10:37 AM

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like, you know how butterflies in the game are envious/vain souls?

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they're folding that into hera

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 10:37 AM

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Make you kill Nyx?

random hull Jul 31, 2020, 10:37 AM

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She's definitely the lawyer type. Curse: Restraining Order

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 10:37 AM

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that and the whole catterpillar eggs hatching thing also ties in with motherhood

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its a really fascinating concept

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 10:38 AM

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I can't tell how much you are beinf serious or not.

static jacinth Jul 31, 2020, 10:38 AM

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They're not.

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 10:38 AM

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hera's like guppy from isaac

static jacinth Jul 31, 2020, 10:38 AM

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There are no plans to add more olympians.

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 10:38 AM

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kill enemies with her boons to get butterflies

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and stop

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dont kill the bit

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 10:38 AM

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Other than Haphaestus, Hera, and Apollo

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 10:39 AM

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Apollo better have an orbital laser for his cast

static jacinth Jul 31, 2020, 10:39 AM

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I feel bad for them ;-;

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 10:39 AM

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apollo: god of song

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like, he doesnt show up until you beat hades

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he's doing his own thing, but then he hears that there's this fantastic story happening and he just has to be part of it

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 10:39 AM

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Doesn show up until you convince Orpheus to sing you mean

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 10:39 AM

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yes, yes of course

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all of his duos are called "duets"

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got a really good theme going on

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 10:40 AM

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With a fully fleshed out side quest dungeon with it's own boss fight inside the psyche of Orpheus

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 10:40 AM

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yes, and it's themed like a greek play

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 10:40 AM

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DDR minigame

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 10:40 AM

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Which of course unlocks Psyche and Eros as NPC's

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 10:41 AM

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which lets you access the secret cow level

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and surprise! that's where mom's been all along

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 10:41 AM

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Which in turn involves traveling back in time to stop thw creation of Minotaur

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 10:42 AM

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and it turns out you and asterius are actually half brothers

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 10:42 AM

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Permenantly removing him from the Theseus fight but making Theseus stronger in the long run with his new ally.... Medusa

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 10:42 AM

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yes

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what grand things

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that supergiant absolutely

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positively

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has planned for this game

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 10:42 AM

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All of it of course, fully voice acted

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 10:43 AM

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in Greek

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 10:43 AM

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In Latin

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Low key, anyone else ship Zag and... almost every other character he shows even mild interest in?

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 10:44 AM

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Bouldy

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 10:44 AM

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Thanatos, Dusa.... Achilles

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 10:44 AM

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zag + lernie, match made in heaven

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we should probably bring this back to gameplay discussion before the mods yell at us

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 10:45 AM

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To be honest at the current point I'm in I'm legitimately curious if Zag has legitimate feelings for Dusa. But I also worry since the last interaction with Dusa resulted in Zag shattering her belief that he is a super prince.

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Well the last interaction I personally had

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 10:45 AM

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||dusa ultimately decides against pursuing a romantic relationship with zag||

untold vortex Jul 31, 2020, 10:46 AM

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bittieLurk I mean #h1-story-discussion is a thing

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 10:46 AM

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I don't want spoilers though.

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And love is a battlefield in and of itseld.

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 10:46 AM

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gameplay discussion is typically a spoiler safe zone

untold vortex Jul 31, 2020, 10:46 AM

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moreso that this discussion is better suited for that channel

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 10:46 AM

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Noted

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 10:46 AM

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well, as in spoilers dont need to be tagged here

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they do in other channels

static jacinth Jul 31, 2020, 10:53 AM

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Also, gameplay related...

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I really wish Charon shops always told you if there was a fighting bag in there before you went.

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It's annoying to not be able to make an informed decision about it.

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 10:54 AM

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Eh, it's part of the "rng"

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 10:54 AM

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honestly, my big issue is when the bag spawns in like, tartarus

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there's no way youre beating him without any boons or hearts under your belt

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ok, people who have done 50 heat runs on bop-its, put your hands down that wasnt an invitation

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 10:55 AM

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Companion, boon, hammer is usually enough to beat him. His attacks are fast but pretty predictable

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But yeah, I wish there was more incentive to not skip him, especially at high heat

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He takes time, randomizes the next room you're in, and can pretty trivially end a run if you mess up a couple of times

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 10:56 AM

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yeah, he has a ton of hp

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he takes out a death defy in 2 hits

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well, one hit with HL4

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he's pretty easy in elysium, challenging but doable in asphodel

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but tartarus, its an uphill battle

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 11:00 AM

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I don't mind there being optional very challenging fights for lots of reward

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Obviously the earlier you do Charon the better his reward is

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So he should be harder

odd seal Jul 31, 2020, 11:01 AM

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Is it possible to get Concentrated Volley on chiron?
If yes, then that seems kinda busted

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 11:02 AM

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It is possible, yes. And it is one of the better things you can do on the aspect

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 11:02 AM

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you can

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 11:02 AM

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Certainly not busted though

odd seal Jul 31, 2020, 11:02 AM

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that with relentless volley tho

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 11:02 AM

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i mean, if combined with relentless volley its pretty good

odd seal Jul 31, 2020, 11:02 AM

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^

static jacinth Jul 31, 2020, 11:02 AM

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Busted is a strong word.

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 11:02 AM

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honestly, i'd take charged volley on chiron over anything

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wait, no

odd seal Jul 31, 2020, 11:03 AM

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I havent tried it yet, but in theory it seems pretty strong

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 11:03 AM

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2 hammer combos will never be busted

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 11:03 AM

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Did I read a challenge to a boonless Charon fight?

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 11:03 AM

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apparently thats not compatable with aspect of chiron

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 11:03 AM

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@cunning urchin Yes

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 11:03 AM

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boonless

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no hammers

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no hearts

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at least 30 heat

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and no sisyphus trinket

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thats my challenge

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 11:03 AM

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RI4 HL5, FO2

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 11:05 AM

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good luck, nyaan

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we're all rooting for you

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 11:06 AM

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Must use Zag Sword

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 11:07 AM

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now watch as she actually does it

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 11:07 AM

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she*

rare kayak Jul 31, 2020, 11:13 AM

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i think my issue with charon is that 20% seems really low

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 11:13 AM

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You get 3 rooms worth of Obols too

rare kayak Jul 31, 2020, 11:14 AM

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i mean its just that 20% for two or three chances to fight him is just low

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maybe like a 40% would be more acceptable

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 11:16 AM

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the 20% is enormous with CF2. Besides, you still get 300 gold

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Which is way more than the 0 you get from the actual bosses

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 11:17 AM

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you mean the 30 you get from dropping bouldy while killing the actual bosses

rare kayak Jul 31, 2020, 11:17 AM

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how does cf2 change the chance for the coin bag to show up

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oh i meant the appearance chance

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not the discount oops

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lol

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yeah 20% is a good amount for the discount

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 11:20 AM

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ok, so someone find a seed thats
boon > blue > purge > shop

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get a save inside the shop

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and send it to nyaan

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or just post it somewhere in general

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 11:22 AM

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Lol, too bad you can't really get a seed for 4+ rooms in. At that point you have to do the homework for routing

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 11:23 AM

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ideally we only need to do it once

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if we get in the shop, get the spawn, then save and quit, we should be able to create a backup that can be circulated

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and can be reset to when you inevitably fail this literally impossible challenge

static jacinth Jul 31, 2020, 11:25 AM

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I mean, impossible is a stretch.

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 11:25 AM

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LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE

static jacinth Jul 31, 2020, 11:25 AM

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Charon is very predictable. That oar his like a truck made of gold though.

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 11:26 AM

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yeah, with no hearts and HL4, all of his attacks are a one-shot

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and with RI3, you dont have any death defies to fall back on

static jacinth Jul 31, 2020, 11:27 AM

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RI3 is one of those things that you might play with on a run when that's the only requirement.

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I don't think people use it on high heat unless they hate themselves.

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Or it's giga high heat.

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 11:28 AM

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its definitely one of the last things i turn on

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right behind AP

static jacinth Jul 31, 2020, 11:29 AM

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Approval Process is legit the worst.

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 11:29 AM

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i watched greg and amir play with it on stream

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they literally made it just to mock you

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every time it slashes out divine dash, amir breaks out into maniacal laughter

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when they collect data, they keep tallies on how many legendaries or duos it slashed out from players

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and have a printed list of every time it happened taped to a wall, just to keep company morale up

static jacinth Jul 31, 2020, 11:33 AM

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I'm not sure if I should believe you.

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But that's how I feel about AP

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Because it's pure evil.

native cipher Jul 31, 2020, 11:34 AM

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i really hope none of the staff lurks in these channels

static jacinth Jul 31, 2020, 11:37 AM

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They do.

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Sometimes they just reply to stuff.

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 1:40 PM

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Maybe I'll do like HL5 FO2 boonless Charon fight or something.

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Definitely not mirrorless. I'd have to snipe him 101 times with Hestia lol.

static jacinth Jul 31, 2020, 4:41 PM

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How much would the mirror help there? Besides the respawns.

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 4:56 PM

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My last AP run was insane. It's like the Gods knew exactly what I wanted every time. Compared to them knowing what I don't want every time.

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I didn't even know I wanted Black Out. I assumed I needed a tier 2 boon to get it.

dry ember Jul 31, 2020, 5:38 PM

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So what you are saying is to make ap2.5 where it always crosses out duos and legendary

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 5:39 PM

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You only need Trippy Shot and a Hangover boon for Black Out.

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@static jacinth Shadow Presence and Boiling Blood together double your base damage.

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Greater Reflex and Ruthless Reflex also do a whole lot of work.

static jacinth Jul 31, 2020, 5:41 PM

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That's true. If you're backstabbing him each time at least.

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Pew pew.

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 5:42 PM

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Even if you backstab only like 10% of the time, it's a big difference.

prisma pilot Jul 31, 2020, 5:57 PM

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Is the artemis legendary cast ammo bonus rng reliant or is the wiki inaccurate with saying Max Ammo: +3
Because I just got the legendary boon and well I got +2 ?-?

gleaming current Jul 31, 2020, 5:58 PM

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So what you are saying is to make ap2.5 where it always crosses out duos and legendary
tbh, it is funny thinking of AP analogue that will always cross out higher rarity boons
Even more painful and with almost no chance to redeem but a lot more stable

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Also yeah wiki is outdated, fully loaded is +2 casts now

prisma pilot Jul 31, 2020, 5:58 PM

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Ah

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Well +3 is quite powerful negl

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Was hoping of doing a 7 recharging cast run some time that way guess smy goal is 6 now.

hearty elbow Jul 31, 2020, 6:04 PM

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Does the backstab bonus and Ambush chaos boon count for all damage types? For the purposes of lightning, I assume the first chain (from the Zeus attack) doesn't count as a backstab then

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backstab from Exposed*

gleaming current Jul 31, 2020, 6:06 PM

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It depends on attack type iirc. AoE effects do not get backstabs

prisma pilot Jul 31, 2020, 6:08 PM

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Some attacks lack backstab inherently and some can be given backstab options by boons iirc. Example being Parting Shot with the applicable casts.
Atleast that is how I Understood backstabs up to now.

narrow rampart Jul 31, 2020, 7:06 PM

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Had a really fun run today with Demeter aspect Malphon, where I had Dio on Attack, Artemis on Special, and Aphrodite on Dash, and managed to nab all three Duo boons associated with them

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Was super fun

static jacinth Jul 31, 2020, 7:20 PM

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Casts don't get backstabs without the duo boon.

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And some big aoe specials do not.

cunning urchin Jul 31, 2020, 7:24 PM

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Uppercuts don't backstab, either.

static jacinth Jul 31, 2020, 7:25 PM

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Huh. Well there you go.

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All attacks and some specials.

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Spells with the duo boon.

prisma pilot Jul 31, 2020, 7:26 PM

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I said applicable casts in the case of parting shot

pseudo stream Jul 31, 2020, 9:00 PM

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is Guan Yu good? I wanna try it but it costs 15 tb to be worth using...

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I also have a note here, someone said it "required hammers"? are there particular hammers it requires?

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 9:02 PM

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Arguably best Spear in the game.

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Serrated Point, Quick Spin, or Charged Skewer.

pseudo stream Jul 31, 2020, 9:03 PM

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is it any good without one of those?

small stirrup Jul 31, 2020, 9:03 PM

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Beyblade is best blade

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Its still dope without hammers

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Just get some strong boons on attack or special and you're set

pseudo stream Jul 31, 2020, 9:03 PM

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cool, I've used a fair bit of Achilles and always take extra damage from being too aggressive

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define "strong boons"? is Dionysis on special any good?

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 9:04 PM

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Dionysus is best used on weapons that hit very rapidly.

pseudo stream Jul 31, 2020, 9:05 PM

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yeah, I'

turbid needle Jul 31, 2020, 9:05 PM

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Flurry Jab is disabled for Guan Yu, but it can work with Serrated Edge.

pseudo stream Jul 31, 2020, 9:05 PM

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ve had two fist Dionysis attacks runs in a row, they were rad