#h1-builds-and-combat | Supergiant Games | Page 575

hearty elbow Jul 17, 2020, 4:04 PM

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oh, huh

cunning urchin Jul 17, 2020, 4:04 PM

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You can buy Touches of Styx instead.

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 4:04 PM

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Which are great, because you can stack them

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Along with last stand

cunning urchin Jul 17, 2020, 4:05 PM

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99 obols with Convenience Fee at 2, +10% healing from your SD.

untold quiver Jul 17, 2020, 4:05 PM

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@magic cedar most duos are aquireable by the end fight, you can force the two gods you need for the duo in the first two zones, force one again in the third, and should get a couple more tries throughout...bit I've gotten duos on the last boon before the fight sometimes because range, which is why I recommend planning a "Core" of one God, and then having the duos be "Bonus"

cunning urchin Jul 17, 2020, 4:05 PM

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As in, instead of 30%, you'll heal 40%.

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 4:05 PM

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If you watch my Lucifer doom build, you'll see I have touch of Styx stacked 3x and I Regen to 100% when I die

magic cedar Jul 17, 2020, 4:05 PM

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Thanks!

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 4:05 PM

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2x touch + 1x dark from pat

cunning urchin Jul 17, 2020, 4:06 PM

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Patroclus gives Touch of Styx premium or whatever which gives +50% healing from your SD.

hearty elbow Jul 17, 2020, 4:06 PM

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yeah, in Elysium now. Doing pretty well my first 40 heat, though, Chaos aspect, so, like, training wheels :3

untold quiver Jul 17, 2020, 4:07 PM

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So for curse of drowning, be comfortable with fighting with just flood shot (maybe even get used to use it close range) and then when you get curse it'll be a big boost...it's what I do for the duos for trippy shot in Hera Bow, and why I learned blade rift aiming for Achilles... because I've gotten hunting blades in Tartarus, and I've gotten them in styx

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 4:08 PM

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Flood shot is a good cast in its own right, so if you don't get the duo, it's not the worst thing that could happen

cunning urchin Jul 17, 2020, 4:08 PM

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You get HP when picking up Darkness chamber rewards or Centaur Hearts even with LC4. So if you're at 30% HP or below, suicide before picking them up, so you'll have more HP for the next chamber.

hearty elbow Jul 17, 2020, 4:09 PM

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Odd that Vitality doesn't work with LC4, since it works with GY

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 4:09 PM

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Stubborn Roots circumvents LC4

hearty elbow Jul 17, 2020, 4:10 PM

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oh right, that's the point of that boon. good to know. I didn't go Arty this run but i'll keep an eye out

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 4:10 PM

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Unless they changed it

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It's not Artemis

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It's Athena/Demeter

cunning urchin Jul 17, 2020, 4:10 PM

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Stubborn Roots is the hero of RI4 runs.

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 4:11 PM

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I wish I could pom it 😆

hearty elbow Jul 17, 2020, 4:11 PM

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Oof, sucks to suck for me. I had to UC my core demeter boon

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 4:12 PM

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Artemis Demeter is crystal clarity

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Which is also surprisingly effective

hearty elbow Jul 17, 2020, 4:13 PM

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I'm doing doom/poison shield. pretty surprised by Numbing Sensation + Abyssal Blood + Chill, it's pretty noticable

untold quiver Jul 17, 2020, 4:13 PM

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@neon bramble absolutely, that's what I think makes a good plan, when you can work it without getting the duos, or a single God "build" (Zeus Lucifer Rail - Ironic , Artemis Posidon blade, Demeter Talos

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Yeah I want to try Crystal clarity in Achilles but I feel like I'm not gonna waste a lot if I don't get it.....maybe if I go Demeter attack an Artimis dash

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 4:15 PM

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I just lost thanks to 5 chamber styx RNG

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Had a Lucifer doom build stacked

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60s to beat Hades

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Also had stubborn Roots, curse of longing and unhealthy fixation ☹️

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Got him to phase 2, shockingly

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Surrounded him with heartbreak pulsing Hellfire, and just beamed doom at his face with eternal chamber

untold quiver Jul 17, 2020, 4:18 PM

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Yeah stacking doom on the entrrnal chamber seems legit bananas

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 4:18 PM

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You need to have dire misfortune and impending doom to truly make it effective

untold quiver Jul 17, 2020, 4:18 PM

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I had lightning on eternal chamber triple beam...that was bananas

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 4:19 PM

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I don't like triple beam

untold quiver Jul 17, 2020, 4:19 PM

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Oh yeah that's what I mean when I say "stacking doom"

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 4:20 PM

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I'll take piercing beam over triple beam all day

untold quiver Jul 17, 2020, 4:20 PM

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I only took it that one time and I already had Zeus attack, jolt, support fire, Demeter dash, and I didn't have the option for piercing beam

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 4:20 PM

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Some ppl love it

untold quiver Jul 17, 2020, 4:21 PM

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I might have had the "jolt doesn't expire if your chilled" boon too

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 4:21 PM

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Cold fusion

untold quiver Jul 17, 2020, 4:21 PM

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Let's just say good thing I play a lot of bullet hell twin sticks of I wouldn't have been able to follow anything

hearty elbow Jul 17, 2020, 4:23 PM

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sigh, well i didn't die to hubris, i died to being careful and losing to timer. good run though

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can you still keep the seed if you give up during death animation?

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 4:24 PM

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Yes

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Basically, right up until you respawn in the pool of Styx

cunning urchin Jul 17, 2020, 4:24 PM

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You don't need to use TD2 at 40 if time is a problem.

untold quiver Jul 17, 2020, 4:25 PM

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Yeah I am not near anything high heat but I avoid tight deadline unless I'm doing something with the plume, the. It's free td1 cause I'm gunning for the bonus anyway

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 4:26 PM

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Plume runs are fun

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But you have to build into it with second wind/billowing strength/smoldering air/rush delivery type stuff

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And greatest evasion

cunning urchin Jul 17, 2020, 4:27 PM

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Lambent Plume doesn't help very much with TD2, though, except get you used to clearing fast.

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 4:27 PM

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Yes and no

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As you build the bonus, you can be more reckless

untold quiver Jul 17, 2020, 4:27 PM

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Yeah I don't see myself doing a lot of td2

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Well and at that point I wouldn't be using the plume because if be wanting to force boons

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 4:28 PM

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The hardest part about plume runs is getting the early bonuses

hearty elbow Jul 17, 2020, 4:29 PM

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I'm absolute trash at TD2. Permanently 9 minutes

untold quiver Jul 17, 2020, 4:30 PM

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I seem to do all these sweet smooth move no damage room clears.... until I go in erberus or take the butterfly LOLOL

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 4:31 PM

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If you have trouble clearing Erebus rooms, take Skelly companion with you

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Drop him in the corner, and smash everything

untold quiver Jul 17, 2020, 4:32 PM

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I'm getting better

hearty elbow Jul 17, 2020, 4:33 PM

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would it be that broken to be able to switch companions, but maintain charge count?

untold quiver Jul 17, 2020, 4:33 PM

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I like the nice "oh no!" Button that bouldy provides

hearty elbow Jul 17, 2020, 4:33 PM

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it would let people use the more cornercase ones

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 4:33 PM

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Yes @hearty elbow

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It would be insane broken

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Tbh, Skelly is shockingly effective

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I used to disregard his companion

hearty elbow Jul 17, 2020, 4:35 PM

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Yeah, I like his a lot, but I can't imagine taking it over one of the mini-boss instagib companions at high heat

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 4:35 PM

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He actually makes Asterius mini a joke

untold quiver Jul 17, 2020, 4:35 PM

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Oh I'm sure it is....but it's proactive versus bouldy being reactive ...and I don't see trouble coming well enough lolol

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 4:35 PM

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And power couple

hearty elbow Jul 17, 2020, 4:35 PM

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bouldy is phenomenal for learning and farming

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... you've intrigued me @neon bramble. I will try this next time :3

untold quiver Jul 17, 2020, 4:37 PM

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I love the fights against the heroes where I'm hitting incidental and status damage on Theseus and all the sudden he's at 50 and I've not put much of a dent in Asterus

cunning urchin Jul 17, 2020, 4:37 PM

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I just summon Antos immediately when I see Doomstone and dash to the exit.

untold quiver Jul 17, 2020, 4:37 PM

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Eh farming not as good since they nerfed the gold

hearty elbow Jul 17, 2020, 4:37 PM

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or momma soul catcher

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it's not zero over lots of runs for Darkness

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 4:38 PM

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My only issue with antos is not being able to use him against Hades

cunning urchin Jul 17, 2020, 4:38 PM

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The Soulcatcher miniboss has 2000 Armor and 2000 HP.

hearty elbow Jul 17, 2020, 4:38 PM

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And the extra gold lets you funnel into extra bouldy casts for those runs

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from well

cunning urchin Jul 17, 2020, 4:39 PM

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And at least 1 of Antos's attacks will often target a shade instead.

untold quiver Jul 17, 2020, 4:39 PM

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Ahh see I don't ever think of farming darkness....side effect of playing since launch I've never felt strapped

hearty elbow Jul 17, 2020, 4:39 PM

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i haven't ever farmed for it either. i'd feel the pressure if Authority was better though

untold quiver Jul 17, 2020, 4:40 PM

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I think I start with......4?

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 4:40 PM

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4 starting is max

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The other one, I have 8 and still not maxed

untold quiver Jul 17, 2020, 4:41 PM

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I don't ever use the room change one

cunning urchin Jul 17, 2020, 4:42 PM

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I don't even farm bounties anymore. I just do 40+ and heat gauge will be like "set your heat gauge to 10 to get more bounties!" Errr... yeah, sure, heat gauge. That's... that's what I'm doing, yes.

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I haven't seen a Charged Flight hammer in well over an hour, and I'm feeling a strong desire for a trap urn right next to the starting boon.

hearty elbow Jul 17, 2020, 4:45 PM

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does life affirmation only work on rooms or also purchased hearts?

cunning urchin Jul 17, 2020, 4:45 PM

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It works on all hearts and also Darkness chamber rewards, I'm pretty sure.

untold quiver Jul 17, 2020, 4:45 PM

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I'm getting close to liking some build cores enough to pick something and see how high i can push it

hearty elbow Jul 17, 2020, 4:46 PM

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oh, nice

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for different League, what approximately is "nearby" in terms of like... weapon ranges

cunning urchin Jul 17, 2020, 4:46 PM

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Life Affirmation is the silent carry of many high heat runs.

hearty elbow Jul 17, 2020, 4:54 PM

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hmm, it works on darkness, because it's a chamber i guess, but Than's heart was only 25

dire wedge Jul 17, 2020, 5:04 PM

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Life Affirmation is the silent carry of many high heat runs.
Does Life Affirmation work on SD?

cunning urchin Jul 17, 2020, 5:06 PM

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Hm? It affects max HP, so yes.

stoic thicket Jul 17, 2020, 5:07 PM

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Uh.

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Does anyone know if Curse of Drowning has any sort of interaction with Exit Wounds?

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I just got it offered.

broken berry Jul 17, 2020, 5:10 PM

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I don't think so since the cast doesn't lodge itself into the enemy

untold quiver Jul 17, 2020, 5:13 PM

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Yeah I think that shows up still because your "cast" lodges I've never seen exit wounds with a non lodging base cast

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 5:18 PM

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The cast lodges in you, not your enemy

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So no, it shouldn't work with exit wounds

cunning urchin Jul 17, 2020, 5:18 PM

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And then Exit Wounds kills you. The end. 🥳

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 5:18 PM

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Lol

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That would be funny

cunning urchin Jul 17, 2020, 5:18 PM

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True Ending unlocked.

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It should be what happens. With a comment from Lady Artemis when you die to it.

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"What did you think would happen? 🤦🏽‍♀️"

stoic thicket Jul 17, 2020, 5:33 PM

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Yeah, I took Exit Wounds later and I couldn't 100% tell but I don't think it does anything.

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Anyway, Curse of Drowning deals a frankly absurd amount of damage.

untold quiver Jul 17, 2020, 5:35 PM

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Is that the only one like that? Where the duo changes the lodgeability of the cast?

stoic thicket Jul 17, 2020, 5:36 PM

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No, Trippy Shot, Crystal Beam and Slicing Shot disable it to begin with, and Blizzard Shot does too.

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 5:36 PM

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@stoic thicket the reason exit wounds shows up is because it is a pre req for fully loaded

stoic thicket Jul 17, 2020, 5:36 PM

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It is no longer a necessary prereq.

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 5:36 PM

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Oh?

stoic thicket Jul 17, 2020, 5:36 PM

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Any two of Arty's T2 boons will do.

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 5:37 PM

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Then the only other reason for it showing up is because the game reads the cast as flood shot, and not the duo

stoic thicket Jul 17, 2020, 5:37 PM

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That's my best guess.

untold quiver Jul 17, 2020, 5:37 PM

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@stoic thicket that's not what I was asking, those are base cast that don't lodge curse of longing Changes a base casts lodgeability...I think it's the only one that does that blizzard shot can still lodge if it hits something can't it?

stoic thicket Jul 17, 2020, 5:37 PM

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Blizzard Shot does the same.

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Blizzard Shot pierces completely I think.

untold quiver Jul 17, 2020, 5:39 PM

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Yeah I have no doubt it's reading the cast and not any duos but if it's that niche I don't know how hard "fixing" it would be and if it's worth it

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Might be something to throw in feedback

cunning urchin Jul 17, 2020, 5:40 PM

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I'm pretty sure Blizzard Shot can lodge.

untold quiver Jul 17, 2020, 5:41 PM

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Yeah I just don't think it does much of every cause it's so friggan slow

stoic thicket Jul 17, 2020, 5:43 PM

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I played it yesterday and didn't fully pay attention, granted, but I think Blizzard Shot pierces instead of lodging.

untold quiver Jul 17, 2020, 5:44 PM

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Either way it does seem like something that should be looked at I would assume if they fix it for one they would fix it for all

cunning urchin Jul 17, 2020, 5:46 PM

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The AOE has a tendency to push everything away from the "bloodstone box" somewhere in there that can lodge. But I'm very sure I've lodged it in especially bosses before.

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Who wouldn't get pushed around as much.

untold quiver Jul 17, 2020, 5:46 PM

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If that's the case then yeah it's literally one combo and not supising that it got missed

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Speaking of......I love Exit Wounds Posidon blade

cunning urchin Jul 17, 2020, 5:48 PM

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There are too many combos in the game to be aware of everything, yeah.

hearty elbow Jul 17, 2020, 5:55 PM

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woooo, first 40 down

idle oak Jul 17, 2020, 6:02 PM

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how have you guys been building lucifer aspect?

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i feel like the start up time is too slow, since you have to stand still to fire, and stand still for any amount of time is so dangerous

hearty elbow Jul 17, 2020, 6:04 PM

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i typically do zeus attack and aim for Support Fire

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and the rest can be defensive stuff

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i have not figured out how to make attack damage builds work in higher heat with Lucifer

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I know @neon bramble will likely chime in about his Dire Misfortune doom build on 40 heat, it's up there in the chat log somewhere

idle oak Jul 17, 2020, 6:06 PM

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it's very hard to aim the grenade on controller. keyboard and mouse seems to just feel better with the gun, but movement feels better with a joystick vs wasd.

hearty elbow Jul 17, 2020, 6:06 PM

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yes, it's awful, but there is a big trade-off with controller as it's trivial to aim at fast things

untold quiver Jul 17, 2020, 6:06 PM

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I also go for "Infinity chamber" builds that prioritize attack speed over ramp damage Zeus is great for this attack speed buffs

hearty elbow Jul 17, 2020, 6:06 PM

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and keep aiming while dashing backwards

cunning urchin Jul 17, 2020, 6:07 PM

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Dire Misfortune with Infinity Chamber etc. on 40 sounds more like something that just happened than something that was planned.

hearty elbow Jul 17, 2020, 6:08 PM

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if i had to guess he seed farmed for eternal chamber, started ares and profited from there. not too unreasonable to expect Dire Misfortune after that

cunning urchin Jul 17, 2020, 6:09 PM

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I don't think Manthro has ever seeded a run.

hearty elbow Jul 17, 2020, 6:10 PM

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oh, then yeah, something that happened over something that's planned 😛

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Luckily eternal chamber only matters after you get Dire Misfortune. You can probably get pretty far just tagging people with pom'd Doom

untold quiver Jul 17, 2020, 6:10 PM

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I love when roguelikes give you those great runs

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I got a Hera Bow with Both trippy shot duos and the other relevant boosts (jolted, coldfusion, decay) I just wish it was on a higher heat LOLOL

cunning urchin Jul 17, 2020, 6:13 PM

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On 40+, you can usually just plan for like 2–3 boons even with a seed and beyond that just leave yourself some options open that you probably won't see on most of your attempts.

cosmic jacinth Jul 17, 2020, 6:13 PM

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i reached heat four last night

hearty elbow Jul 17, 2020, 6:13 PM

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baby steps :3

errant narwhal Jul 17, 2020, 6:14 PM

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i finally beat charon 🎉 getting closer to completing all prophecies again

cosmic jacinth Jul 17, 2020, 6:14 PM

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im trying to beat him and lose all runs

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XD

cunning urchin Jul 17, 2020, 6:14 PM

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@errant narwhal congratulations! 🥳

cosmic jacinth Jul 17, 2020, 6:15 PM

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want to know my main weapon

cunning urchin Jul 17, 2020, 6:15 PM

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I hope you feel bad for being the bully here and taking his lunch money. squirtooh

cosmic jacinth Jul 17, 2020, 6:15 PM

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it was borrowing

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since u would give it back

errant narwhal Jul 17, 2020, 6:15 PM

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beowulf is pretty fun, the burst damage you can get from loading all your casts is kinda nuts. i had trippy shot with ice wine

cosmic jacinth Jul 17, 2020, 6:16 PM

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it is zag shield

cunning urchin Jul 17, 2020, 6:16 PM

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I've done 76 runs already with Beowulf because I enjoy it so much.

cosmic jacinth Jul 17, 2020, 6:16 PM

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huh

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 6:16 PM

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I never seed runs

errant narwhal Jul 17, 2020, 6:16 PM

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i also got charged flight and explosive return from an anvil... but i had nothing on my special 😔

cosmic jacinth Jul 17, 2020, 6:16 PM

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iv done barely more

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 6:17 PM

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I do unse trinkets to influence boons

cosmic jacinth Jul 17, 2020, 6:17 PM

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how good is the quickly clear rooms trinket

spark mulch Jul 17, 2020, 6:17 PM

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hey does anyone know how exit wounds works with the regenerating cast stones? do they still do dislodge damage?

cosmic jacinth Jul 17, 2020, 6:17 PM

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also if u get rid of it do u keep the buffs

stoic thicket Jul 17, 2020, 6:17 PM

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Also goodness gracious does Beowulf Special chonk. It hella chonks.

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 6:17 PM

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You must keep the plume to keep the buff

cosmic jacinth Jul 17, 2020, 6:17 PM

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yes they disapear

idle oak Jul 17, 2020, 6:18 PM

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exit wounds doesn't work with regen cast

cosmic jacinth Jul 17, 2020, 6:18 PM

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really?

cunning urchin Jul 17, 2020, 6:18 PM

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70 of those "runs" were dying in chamber 1 for 2 hours today trying to find a Charged Flight seed at all. squirtooh

spark mulch Jul 17, 2020, 6:18 PM

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@idle oak thanks!

cosmic jacinth Jul 17, 2020, 6:18 PM

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XD

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 6:18 PM

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Now everyone is running Beo special builds, lol.

hearty elbow Jul 17, 2020, 6:18 PM

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Does Doom count itself for privileged status?

unkempt pagoda Jul 17, 2020, 6:18 PM

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what

hearty elbow Jul 17, 2020, 6:19 PM

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For the damage

green plover Jul 17, 2020, 6:19 PM

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Yes.

unkempt pagoda Jul 17, 2020, 6:19 PM

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stygian soul casts still dislodge

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 6:19 PM

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Yes it does @hearty elbow

broken berry Jul 17, 2020, 6:19 PM

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The Plume's fantastic 👌

unkempt pagoda Jul 17, 2020, 6:19 PM

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exit wounds is fine with stygian

cosmic jacinth Jul 17, 2020, 6:19 PM

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so it is op

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 6:20 PM

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No

cosmic jacinth Jul 17, 2020, 6:20 PM

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the plume?

cunning urchin Jul 17, 2020, 6:20 PM

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I was planning to do that before horheristo's run lol. I could use the seed that I used for 41, but I want my next run with it in the permanent record of my main save, too.

unkempt pagoda Jul 17, 2020, 6:20 PM

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there's like 3 convos here lol

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 6:20 PM

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The plume is op only if you build into @cosmic jacinth

stoic thicket Jul 17, 2020, 6:20 PM

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There is a middle ground between "OP" and "worthless".

idle oak Jul 17, 2020, 6:20 PM

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oh wait yeah it was lightning rod that required infernal soul.

cosmic jacinth Jul 17, 2020, 6:21 PM

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aphro or crit woman

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 6:21 PM

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It maxes at 30-38% if you get every possible bonus I think, depending on Erebus rooms and how many Styx chambers you get

cosmic jacinth Jul 17, 2020, 6:21 PM

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what is better for attack

spark mulch Jul 17, 2020, 6:21 PM

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lol @ crit woman

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 6:21 PM

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It depends on weapon aspect

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On nemesis, aphro is superior

cosmic jacinth Jul 17, 2020, 6:21 PM

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zag shield

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maxed

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 6:22 PM

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Are you running family favourites or privileged status?

cosmic jacinth Jul 17, 2020, 6:22 PM

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partly bc sword me worst weapon

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family

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 6:22 PM

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Artemis

cosmic jacinth Jul 17, 2020, 6:22 PM

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im not in game rn

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just so u know

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but it is my mirror up grade

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ima go get artemis as starting boon

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 6:23 PM

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I prefer running Artemis on special for Zag shield, personally

cosmic jacinth Jul 17, 2020, 6:23 PM

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anyone know what else i should get

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i HATE HATE HAAAAAAAATE THE SHIELD THROOW

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 6:23 PM

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And using attack to spread status effects

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If you're not using the shield throw, don't use the shield

cosmic jacinth Jul 17, 2020, 6:23 PM

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uhm excuse that

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 6:23 PM

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Straight up

cosmic jacinth Jul 17, 2020, 6:23 PM

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XD

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why though u deal alot less dmg to bosses

hearty elbow Jul 17, 2020, 6:24 PM

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@neon bramble Do you prefer special or dash on Lucy to spread weak for Curse of Longing?

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 6:24 PM

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Zag aspect shield throw is strong, and you're just handicapping yourself by not using it

cosmic jacinth Jul 17, 2020, 6:24 PM

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fine ill try it

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wait use it when im closing in

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 6:24 PM

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I use special to spread weakness, and attack to stack doom

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@hearty elbow

broken berry Jul 17, 2020, 6:24 PM

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Yeah it's important you use all parts of your kit in any game

hearty elbow Jul 17, 2020, 6:25 PM

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that's... a heuristic. it's extremely easy to spread yourself too thin in Hades, and Poms love small kits

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 6:25 PM

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And I put Demeter on dash @hearty elbow

broken berry Jul 17, 2020, 6:25 PM

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Touché

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 6:25 PM

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That way I have 3 possible status effects for privileged status

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And it's always running

cosmic jacinth Jul 17, 2020, 6:26 PM

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uhm what if i use the five dmg per boon

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or something XD

hearty elbow Jul 17, 2020, 6:26 PM

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At the moment I'm terrible enough with Lucifer at high heat that I almost always always want divine dash

cosmic jacinth Jul 17, 2020, 6:26 PM

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XD

cunning urchin Jul 17, 2020, 6:27 PM

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Yeah it's important you use all parts of your kit in any game
I only used Attack for 41 with Malphon and Hestia and only Special with Beowulf lol.

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Plus Boiling Blood.

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 6:27 PM

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That's fine @hearty elbow , then you just want to apply exposed status

hearty elbow Jul 17, 2020, 6:27 PM

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yeah

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 6:27 PM

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It also counts for priv status

cosmic jacinth Jul 17, 2020, 6:27 PM

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sooo what should i use as my loadout for boons

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for zag shield

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 6:28 PM

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One thing I've never tried on Lucifer is triple bomb + divine flourish

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You might be able to stand in the pulses and never get hit

cosmic jacinth Jul 17, 2020, 6:28 PM

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divine?

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oh bc it deflects

hearty elbow Jul 17, 2020, 6:28 PM

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lol, well, in my test 20 heat run i got eternal chamber, curse of pain, rare crop, then dire misfortune sequentially #blessed

spark mulch Jul 17, 2020, 6:28 PM

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how does that work?

cosmic jacinth Jul 17, 2020, 6:28 PM

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the dmg right

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 6:29 PM

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Each time Hellfire pulses, it deflects

spark mulch Jul 17, 2020, 6:29 PM

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do the pulses create an area of deflect?

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ah

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Ive been addicted to lucifer triple Artemis bombs for the past few runs

serene phoenix Jul 17, 2020, 6:30 PM

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what exactly is Unshakeable Mettle used for? Aren't other flat resists higher anyway

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is it just the stun resist for hades phase 2

hearty elbow Jul 17, 2020, 6:30 PM

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they're all multiplicative

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so it's "free". Honestly it's "used" for being able to be sold to Underworld Customs for 400+g

serene phoenix Jul 17, 2020, 6:31 PM

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?

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what do you mean by "free"

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 6:32 PM

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You don't think being immune to stun is fantastic?

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I mean...

serene phoenix Jul 17, 2020, 6:32 PM

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I mean it's really nice but it just seems strange compared to other duos

hearty elbow Jul 17, 2020, 6:32 PM

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the resist part of it is free, the stun part is unique

serene phoenix Jul 17, 2020, 6:32 PM

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it only affects hades ph2

hearty elbow Jul 17, 2020, 6:32 PM

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the 5% is near negligible, so that's definitely not why you'd take it

serene phoenix Jul 17, 2020, 6:32 PM

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and you're taking a lot if you get hit by those anyway

hearty elbow Jul 17, 2020, 6:32 PM

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P1 can summon chariots, elysium shades

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 6:33 PM

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So being immune to stun for the whole run has no worth @serene phoenix

serene phoenix Jul 17, 2020, 6:33 PM

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I mean what stuns you

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 6:33 PM

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Bone rakers, archers, longspears, any boss

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To name a few

dry ember Jul 17, 2020, 6:33 PM

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I thought it only affects bosses, no?

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 6:34 PM

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Stun immunity?

serene phoenix Jul 17, 2020, 6:34 PM

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I thought in terms of bosses, only tisiphone and vases stun

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 6:34 PM

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For everything. Damage reduction, bosses only

cunning urchin Jul 17, 2020, 6:34 PM

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Any damage you take will briefly stun you.

hearty elbow Jul 17, 2020, 6:34 PM

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@neon bramble What i meant is that you rarely plan on getting Mettle, so in my experiences I have a core build I can't live without and this 400 gold "nice to have" sitting in the blood pool

serene phoenix Jul 17, 2020, 6:34 PM

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ohhhhh

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it stops that?

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oh that's actually good then

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 6:34 PM

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Lol

serene phoenix Jul 17, 2020, 6:35 PM

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how am I supposed to know lol

hearty elbow Jul 17, 2020, 6:35 PM

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clearly you haven't felt a super elite archer just demolish your hopes and dreams from off screen

cosmic jacinth Jul 17, 2020, 6:35 PM

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XD

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 6:35 PM

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You can avoid excessive mob damage VERY easily with unshakable mettle

cunning urchin Jul 17, 2020, 6:36 PM

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Don't let Super Elite Strongbows go off-screen lol.

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 6:36 PM

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And your charge-up moves don't get interrupted (eg: spear spin)

hearty elbow Jul 17, 2020, 6:36 PM

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or better, not noticing it's a super elite and dashing towards it hoping to stun it after the attack animation ends

cunning urchin Jul 17, 2020, 6:37 PM

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Super Elites only spawn in Erebus and Hades phase 1.

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 6:37 PM

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Well, you can do that if it has no armour

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Longspears cause me the most problems tbh

hearty elbow Jul 17, 2020, 6:38 PM

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Mettle is extremely legit on GY

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 6:38 PM

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Can't stun those guys

cunning urchin Jul 17, 2020, 6:39 PM

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Unshakeable Mettle gains a lot more value on Hell Mode or RI4 runs.

hearty elbow Jul 17, 2020, 6:49 PM

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does Ares/Athena duo consume the doom debuff, or just apply its damage

cosmic jacinth Jul 17, 2020, 6:50 PM

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welp

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i got no hammers on elysuim i just entered

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want to know where my hammers where

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in the shop

cunning urchin Jul 17, 2020, 6:51 PM

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The Doom procs immediately (and wears off) and deals +50 damage.

hearty elbow Jul 17, 2020, 6:51 PM

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okay, so it's an anti-combo with Curse of Longing

cosmic jacinth Jul 17, 2020, 6:52 PM

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which where 7 above my current money before the boss in aphodel and tarta

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aint that sad

cunning urchin Jul 17, 2020, 6:52 PM

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Curse of Longing is an anti-combo with Curse of Longing. squirtooh

cosmic jacinth Jul 17, 2020, 6:52 PM

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?nani

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anticomboception

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bad luck?

cunning urchin Jul 17, 2020, 6:57 PM

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I'd make it a habit to not enter Charon's Shop unless you have at minimum 150 obols and want a particular boon or otherwise at least 300 obols to potentially buy 2 or 3 items from him.

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Or if you really need healing.

cosmic jacinth Jul 17, 2020, 6:58 PM

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XD

cunning urchin Jul 17, 2020, 6:58 PM

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Otherwise you're probably losing value by not picking up a free reward from the other chamber.

cosmic jacinth Jul 17, 2020, 6:59 PM

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XD

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i had 193 opols

cunning urchin Jul 17, 2020, 7:00 PM

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Going in with 140ish can sometimes be worth it if you really want a specific boon for your build because there might be a gold urn, but it's a bit of a gamble.

cosmic jacinth Jul 17, 2020, 7:00 PM

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XD

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;p;

cunning urchin Jul 17, 2020, 7:01 PM

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You'll see more hammers.

cosmic jacinth Jul 17, 2020, 7:02 PM

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Xd

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i got pulverising

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i died first time i fought the chariotr

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thea

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got him low almost dead but died to god phase

stoic thicket Jul 17, 2020, 7:11 PM

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Exception is if you're tight on time as shops can just be run through. If you know that it's gonna be close with the timer just run through the shop even if you don't intend to buy anything.

cosmic jacinth Jul 17, 2020, 7:12 PM

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XD

summer lotus Jul 17, 2020, 7:43 PM

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super late but things that buff damage to your attack like patroclus's third gift and chaos's boons also buff your dash strikes right

dry ember Jul 17, 2020, 7:45 PM

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Yes

summer lotus Jul 17, 2020, 7:51 PM

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ty

unkempt pagoda Jul 17, 2020, 7:52 PM

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seeker is proving to be one of the top 3 worst BP traits dusa

dry ember Jul 17, 2020, 7:54 PM

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I feel like all of them are bad XD

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By themselves, sure

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BP2? Everything hurts

unkempt pagoda Jul 17, 2020, 7:56 PM

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seeker, speeder, and savior can ruin days by themselves

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BP2 is literal hell ron

spark mulch Jul 17, 2020, 8:06 PM

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wow. Unhealthy Fixation + rapid fire really breaks both phases of Hades in weird ways

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1rst phase was strangely scary because all his telegraphs are thrown off, and I didnt know which way to dodge

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second phases was him stuck in an animation loop, trying to do lasers and never getting them off

gleaming current Jul 17, 2020, 8:09 PM

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Yeah, apparently that happens to poor hades

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Never had a proper love in ages seems like

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Half the time in p1 he attacks air

weak rivet Jul 17, 2020, 8:26 PM

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Charmed Hades is the only time Zag experiences parental love

stuck elbow Jul 17, 2020, 8:29 PM

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That’s rough buddy

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Want a sprite cranberry?

neon bramble Jul 17, 2020, 9:24 PM

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It's more like Stockholm syndrome...

frank tide Jul 17, 2020, 11:44 PM

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I dunno, his stepmother seems to love him

frank tide Jul 18, 2020, 12:01 AM

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does divine dash give you I-frames on a dash strike?

topaz hull Jul 18, 2020, 12:10 AM

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which is better, olympian favor or dark foresight?

gleaming current Jul 18, 2020, 12:19 AM

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does divine dash give you I-frames on a dash strike?
Pretty sure it doesn't quite do so, but whatever attacks can be deflected will not deal damage (e. g. asterius)

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which is better, olympian favor or dark foresight?
Depends on what you try to achieve. Better boons or more boons, choice is more of a taste than actual advantage

topaz hull Jul 18, 2020, 12:31 AM

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thanks

weak rivet Jul 18, 2020, 12:47 AM

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You guys

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Lucifer Artemis Special Triple Bomb

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I think I just melted a hole right through Elysium

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I'm straight up playing bomberman

opaque temple Jul 18, 2020, 2:09 AM

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question regarding lambent plume, what's the time limit to getting the buff?

dry ember Jul 18, 2020, 2:10 AM

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on the bottom you can find the little timer for each chamber

magic dagger Jul 18, 2020, 2:10 AM

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it varies by room

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but the little timer under your keepsake symbol gives you probably a good enough idea (per room)

opaque temple Jul 18, 2020, 2:11 AM

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ok, so there's a timer. cool

willow fossil Jul 18, 2020, 2:28 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/yRPpIoy.png

Imgur

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first time getting 4 boons here

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is usually 2 boons gold and hp

summer lotus Jul 18, 2020, 3:12 AM

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does nourished soul increase the healing from death defiance?

idle oak Jul 18, 2020, 3:15 AM

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does Artemis legendary only give +2 cast now instead of +3??

dry ember Jul 18, 2020, 3:16 AM

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yes

turbid needle Jul 18, 2020, 3:16 AM

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Yup.

cunning urchin Jul 18, 2020, 4:56 AM

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@summer lotus no.

untold vortex Jul 18, 2020, 5:11 AM

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@kindred bolt regarding your most recent post in #hades-feedback the channel is not meant for discussing feedback, if you wish to do so please use this channel

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Therefore the post you made in the #hades-feedback channel has been deleted

summer lotus Jul 18, 2020, 5:25 AM

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damn unlucky

steel radish Jul 18, 2020, 7:14 AM

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So, I just unlocked ||the fourth aspect of the bow|| but I can't realy think of which boons would be good in combination with it, which god(s) should I focus on?

unkempt pagoda Jul 18, 2020, 7:25 AM

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dip or zeus are good on the special, the attack really prefers big +% damage modifiers

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hermes’s attack boon is a godsend on rama, and twin/triple shot are great on it

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a special based build really prefers something like relentless (go zeus for this)

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alternatively, demeter’s arctic blast on the special can be good, but zeus doesn’t require a tier 2 boon to be great

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once i did point-blank + triple shot on rama for gigantic shotgun blasts

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rama, like any other slow weapon, loves loves loves hermes, so try to prioritize him

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You could put aphro on special, since you’re gonna be tagging foes anyways, and put artemis on attack for heart rend madness. (also, perfect shot hammer makes rama’s power shot easier, which can be amazing since it’s so slow)

weak rivet Jul 18, 2020, 9:25 AM

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Oh god sending f10's in the hades fight is dangerous business

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[Report sent!]

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[sounds of Dad Spinnying Zag in the tab]

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I THOUGHT IT PAUSES

dull cave Jul 18, 2020, 11:32 AM

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lol

green plover Jul 18, 2020, 1:49 PM

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I went to heat 10 straight from heat 5 just to torment myself a bit. I think the run went well considering I reached Asterius and then I messed up the fight because I was uncomfortable with the build I had.

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I may or may not have alt f4'ed due to the salt and tilt, but what has happened has happened.

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Tbh it didn't even include EM3, so I sorta feel the run's end is mostly on me.

hollow mural Jul 18, 2020, 2:14 PM

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whats a good build for excal

dire wedge Jul 18, 2020, 2:18 PM

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I'd usually go either aphro or artemis attack then going for heart rend/deadly reversal

hollow mural Jul 18, 2020, 2:18 PM

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same as nem then

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okay thankyouu

dire wedge Jul 18, 2020, 2:19 PM

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if you wanna meme it up you can use sisyphus' shackle keepsake then pray for hoarding slash

random hull Jul 18, 2020, 2:19 PM

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Backstabbing builds are quite potent with Arthur. Divine Dash is recommended.

hollow mural Jul 18, 2020, 2:25 PM

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imma meme it after this run

barren otter Jul 18, 2020, 3:09 PM

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I managed to push dad (sort of) out of bounds with Engulfing Vortex. Forgot he can just dash out of there. dusa
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/329633264258252803/734063735190192149/2020-07-18_19-39-18.mp4

▶ Play video

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was quite a strong blade rift run too

turbid needle Jul 18, 2020, 3:10 PM

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Hey, you didn't eat the subsequent spin, and that's what's important.

turbid needle Jul 18, 2020, 3:30 PM

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Yeah, chalking that loss up to only getting 3 Olympians (plus Hermes) that run.

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Because the 4th was Poseidon.

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Who is bad.

static jacinth Jul 18, 2020, 3:31 PM

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I had a fun poseidon run earlier. He can do all right.

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With the Zeus Duo and lots of spam.

cunning urchin Jul 18, 2020, 3:32 PM

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Poseidon has some very nice boons.

turbid needle Jul 18, 2020, 3:32 PM

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Maybe one of which has anything to do with knockback.

gleaming current Jul 18, 2020, 3:32 PM

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Poseidon is reckless and so are his boons

turbid needle Jul 18, 2020, 3:33 PM

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Change Poseidon's gimmick to extended stun times and he'd be great.

gleaming current Jul 18, 2020, 3:33 PM

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Sounds pretty boring

turbid needle Jul 18, 2020, 3:34 PM

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Crits are "boring" too.

static jacinth Jul 18, 2020, 3:34 PM

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Wall slam to victory.

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It's pretty stronk.

turbid needle Jul 18, 2020, 3:34 PM

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Works super well against Dad or anything in Asphodel.

cunning urchin Jul 18, 2020, 3:34 PM

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I only really take Poseidon's Aid and Flood Shot out of his core boons.

gleaming current Jul 18, 2020, 3:34 PM

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In asphodel you kick stuff in magma

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Dad? Well bye

static jacinth Jul 18, 2020, 3:34 PM

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Well in asphodel slamming them into lava is not bad. And yeah, that one doesn't care.

turbid needle Jul 18, 2020, 3:35 PM

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Not Gorgons or Spreaders you don't.

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On FO2 any Bloodless is almost instantly getting out of Magma.

static jacinth Jul 18, 2020, 3:35 PM

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But if you have Zeus boon you're still doing good damage.

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Besides, it's really good in elysium. And elysium is hard.

turbid needle Jul 18, 2020, 3:35 PM

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So you're saying if I just picked up Zeus in the first place I'd have my damage. thanthink

static jacinth Jul 18, 2020, 3:35 PM

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I meant the Zeus duo mostly.

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But hey, you do you! I like it.

turbid needle Jul 18, 2020, 3:36 PM

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Nyaanyaa's got some Thoughts™️ on anything "requiring" a Duo.

gleaming current Jul 18, 2020, 3:36 PM

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~~tbh if saving poseidon with zeus, why not take mostly zeus~~ thanthink

static jacinth Jul 18, 2020, 3:36 PM

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His cast is fun for cast builds too.

turbid needle Jul 18, 2020, 3:37 PM

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Flood Shot's pretty good, I'll give it that.

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It's got monster AoE and pretty good base damage.

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But that means it only sees use in Cast-centric builds, because the knockback is otherwise bad for most builds.

stoic thicket Jul 18, 2020, 3:37 PM

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Flood Shot is probably the best cast just on it's own.

gleaming current Jul 18, 2020, 3:37 PM

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Flood shot is the best core boon you can get from poseidon, no doubt

cunning urchin Jul 18, 2020, 3:37 PM

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No, it isn't.

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Poseidon's Aid is.

stoic thicket Jul 18, 2020, 3:38 PM

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After the call saved my hide big time on my 32 run I've grown very fond of it.

static jacinth Jul 18, 2020, 3:38 PM

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Surfing is fun.

gleaming current Jul 18, 2020, 3:38 PM

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Poseidon's Aid is up there too indeed

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~~i just wish i saw it more often~~ SAD

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Instead of sunken treasure on lc4

cunning urchin Jul 18, 2020, 3:40 PM

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His best boons are Poseidon's Aid, Ocean's Bounty, and Boiling Point.

turbid needle Jul 18, 2020, 3:41 PM

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I've always been hesitant on Boiling Point, is the boost really that big?

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 3:43 PM

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My issue on Poseidon's Aid is that it's like strictly worse than Athena's on most builds (probably not very high heat, as your expected DPS will not be nearly as high)

cunning urchin Jul 18, 2020, 3:43 PM

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You gain God Gauge way faster with it when taking damage, yeah. It's very noticeable.

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 3:43 PM

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And functionally replaceble with Ares'

turbid needle Jul 18, 2020, 3:43 PM

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I disagree with that very much.

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Ares's is only worth taking with Second Wind and Vicious Cycle. You move much too slowly otherwise.

gleaming current Jul 18, 2020, 3:44 PM

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You know, having 2 copies athena's aid is a good deal to me

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Also poseidon definitely is more utility and even dmg than ares

cunning urchin Jul 18, 2020, 3:44 PM

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Wut, Poseidon's Aid has the best DPS very easily only maybe losing to Dionysus' Aid.

gleaming current Jul 18, 2020, 3:45 PM

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Albeit harder to control

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 3:45 PM

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Or Zeus' point blank

cunning urchin Jul 18, 2020, 3:45 PM

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Because Dionysus' Aid hits in an AOE.

turbid needle Jul 18, 2020, 3:46 PM

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Single-target DPS?

cunning urchin Jul 18, 2020, 3:49 PM

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Single-target and AOE. Poseidon's Aid with a Lesser Call can easily hit multiple enemies for a truckload of damage, and Dionysus' Aid tends to not hit all enemies with 5 stacks. So they're pretty neck and neck overall.

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 3:49 PM

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Flood Shot has some excellent utility for both lodging a Bloodstone and being a way to get rid of damage control in a huge AoE. It's basically useful for everyone who doesn't want a particular cast

turbid needle Jul 18, 2020, 3:49 PM

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I hate Flood Shot when using the Rail.

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Cast is almost always used to set-up a Bombard, FS pushes them out.

cunning urchin Jul 18, 2020, 3:50 PM

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I'll avoid Flood Shot if I can because it's not Poseidon's Aid.

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Opening his t2 pool makes it harder to get Poseidon's Aid.

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 3:52 PM

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@turbid needle Yeah it's not universal, I don't like Flood Shot with rail either. Or with Demeter fist aspect, since you want things bunched up

cunning urchin Jul 18, 2020, 3:52 PM

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Besides, if I pick up some passive boons from him while waiting for Poseidon's Aid, I'll maybe pick up Ocean's Bounty, Boiling Point, or Hydraulic Might. All of which are quite nice to have.

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You can bunch them up with Flood Shot.

turbid needle Jul 18, 2020, 3:53 PM

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Right, it doesn't eject enemies radially, they all fire in the direction that Flood Shot was moving?

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 3:55 PM

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Is that true? Never noticed, I assumed it pushed away from the impact site

cunning urchin Jul 18, 2020, 3:57 PM

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Not sure. But I meant you can throw it at enemies to push them into a group instead of throwing it at a group and spreading them out.

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The knockback gives you control, so it's just a matter of how you use it.

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If you knock a Spreader way back over magma, you're doing it wrong. dusa

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 3:58 PM

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Yeah. I'm being partially contrarion though. As it happens, Poseidon's supporting pool is a lot less good than Athena so when the run forces you to use him the relative value of Poseidon's Aid goes up a lot. As a result, Poseidon's Aid still shows up in the top 20 boons I take (but so does Flood Shot)

cunning urchin Jul 18, 2020, 3:59 PM

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No one's picking Poseidon over Lady Athena.

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 3:59 PM

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It's also why (sigh) Urge to Kill cannot be knocked off my top 20 list

cunning urchin Jul 18, 2020, 3:59 PM

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But I'll take Poseidon's Aid over Athena's Aid 10 out of 10 times when given the choice.

turbid needle Jul 18, 2020, 4:00 PM

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Even on a Malphon Merciful End run?

cunning urchin Jul 18, 2020, 4:01 PM

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9.9 times out of 10.*

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 4:01 PM

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Even on some glass cannon dps build, like Lucy, that needs to hold a button forever for damage, and has a huge cost to stopping?

gleaming current Jul 18, 2020, 4:02 PM

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If it has a huge cost to stopping it probably isn't that great build Ech

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 4:02 PM

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Lol, no one is complaining about Lucy being weak

pseudo lark Jul 18, 2020, 4:03 PM

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I mean, the Poseidon's damage is a beast but it's also very awkward to control. Not to mention that you can't dash during the Call and can just get stuck in a rock or something and waste the Call.

turbid needle Jul 18, 2020, 4:03 PM

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A build requiring snowballing is fine if it snowballs ridiculously hard like Lucifer does. thanthink

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 4:05 PM

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But either on Eternal Chamber where you literally hold the button forever (and have to deal with the startup animation if you stop) or normal attack damage builds where you just want to get to the end of the clip, Athena would just grossly overperform the 400 damage per second that Poseidon would give. Plus Athena scales pretty hard for duration from poms.

turbid needle Jul 18, 2020, 4:06 PM

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It's more than 400 DPS, for one.

cunning urchin Jul 18, 2020, 4:06 PM

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I don't need 1.5+ seconds of invulnerability from a Call. I only need the i-frames from activation. If I want to maintain control instead of using Poseidon's Aid for any reason, I'll pick up Dionysus' Aid or Zeus' Aid to give me some damage or whatever.

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The times I use a call for i-frames, like 95% of the time or something it's for one attack.

pseudo lark Jul 18, 2020, 4:06 PM

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How many i-frames do you get during the Call anyway?

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 4:07 PM

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all of them?

cunning urchin Jul 18, 2020, 4:07 PM

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No idea.

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Enough.

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 4:07 PM

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wait what do you mean. Athena and Poseidon are all iframes

weary gust Jul 18, 2020, 4:08 PM

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what does poseidon special do to 4th aspect Rail

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does it make pinball bumpers

turbid needle Jul 18, 2020, 4:08 PM

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Probably.

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 4:09 PM

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Oh, when they don't explode. Not sure, I have so much issue not accidentally exploding them

hollow mural Jul 18, 2020, 4:09 PM

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that sounds fun ngl

spark mulch Jul 18, 2020, 4:09 PM

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is both Zeus and Ares revenge boons enough to get the duo?

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 4:09 PM

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no

spark mulch Jul 18, 2020, 4:09 PM

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you need another core?

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 4:09 PM

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you need base of both, and one revenge of any

hollow mural Jul 18, 2020, 4:09 PM

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how do the duos work?

spark mulch Jul 18, 2020, 4:09 PM

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oh dangit

weary gust Jul 18, 2020, 4:09 PM

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yeah

hollow mural Jul 18, 2020, 4:09 PM

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oh

turbid needle Jul 18, 2020, 4:09 PM

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No, both Revenge boons will work.

spark mulch Jul 18, 2020, 4:10 PM

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lol who should I trust here?

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you have a coloured name

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which yells authority

hollow mural Jul 18, 2020, 4:10 PM

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what are the base ones? dash, att, special?

main osprey Jul 18, 2020, 4:10 PM

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Lmao

weary gust Jul 18, 2020, 4:10 PM

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i got it with just ares revenge and some random zeus skill

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 4:10 PM

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lolol

turbid needle Jul 18, 2020, 4:10 PM

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Attack, Special, Cast, Dash, or Call.

hollow mural Jul 18, 2020, 4:10 PM

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okay, i thought so

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 4:10 PM

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I'm reading the wiki, @turbid needle if you're right that probably needs to be changed

turbid needle Jul 18, 2020, 4:11 PM

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It's not technically incorrect, it just needs some rewording.

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You could get it with Lightning Strike, Ares's Aid, and Frozen Touch.

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You need an Ares and a Zeus boon and a Revenge boon.

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The combo is pretty free-form.

spark mulch Jul 18, 2020, 4:11 PM

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whats the minumum number of boons you need, 2?

turbid needle Jul 18, 2020, 4:11 PM

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spark mulch Jul 18, 2020, 4:12 PM

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nice

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 4:12 PM

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Seems like, yeah

spark mulch Jul 18, 2020, 4:12 PM

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I got 3 revenge boons in tart and I really want to try this out

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 4:12 PM

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That's good. I tried to make high heat Vengeful Mood work with Arthur last night, and i kept getting Underworld Customs screwed because I needed 3 boons to trigger the prereq

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2 is sooo much easier and the base boons are trash for Arthur anyway

spark mulch Jul 18, 2020, 4:13 PM

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what does that mean?

turbid needle Jul 18, 2020, 4:13 PM

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I bet Greater Consecration with Curse of Pain does alright.

spark mulch Jul 18, 2020, 4:13 PM

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Im not good enough to know how that could be true or false

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base boons can be better or worse for an aspect?

turbid needle Jul 18, 2020, 4:14 PM

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Sure!

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 4:14 PM

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Yup, dramatically. It's what makes the game infinitely replayable 🙂

turbid needle Jul 18, 2020, 4:14 PM

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Arthur attacks very slowly so it's not good with boons that require rapid application like Lightning or Drunken Strike.

spark mulch Jul 18, 2020, 4:14 PM

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I figured that much, but all boons?

weary gust Jul 18, 2020, 4:14 PM

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the Rocket Bomb hammer mod cant be gotten with 4 aspect Gun right

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 4:14 PM

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But Arthur's base 40% damage mitigation is verrrrryyy appealing for Revenge

neon bramble Jul 18, 2020, 4:14 PM

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You only need 2 boons as pre req for vengeful mood

spark mulch Jul 18, 2020, 4:14 PM

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ahhhhhhhhhhhh!

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didnt think of that

neon bramble Jul 18, 2020, 4:15 PM

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Ares core boon + Zeus curse

weary gust Jul 18, 2020, 4:15 PM

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it works the other way around too

spark mulch Jul 18, 2020, 4:15 PM

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Ive got room rolling instead of boon selection rolling, so Im sadly not feeling confident in going for Demeter revenge

neon bramble Jul 18, 2020, 4:16 PM

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I once had 4 curses rolling with vengeful mood. Was fun with privileged status

spark mulch Jul 18, 2020, 4:17 PM

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thats unreal

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 4:17 PM

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Yeah I think i've only gotten 3 before.

neon bramble Jul 18, 2020, 4:17 PM

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Doom, chill, weak, and lightning

spark mulch Jul 18, 2020, 4:17 PM

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hey sorry for dominating the conversation with questions,

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but for Nemesis

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is the best strategy to go for high damage on Strike?

turbid needle Jul 18, 2020, 4:18 PM

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Yes.

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 4:18 PM

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Dash Strike specifically

neon bramble Jul 18, 2020, 4:18 PM

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Anything but Artemis on attack

gleaming current Jul 18, 2020, 4:18 PM

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For me it worked, surely

neon bramble Jul 18, 2020, 4:18 PM

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Because it's a waste

spark mulch Jul 18, 2020, 4:18 PM

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what is the highest damage strike?

neon bramble Jul 18, 2020, 4:18 PM

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Heartbreak strike

gleaming current Jul 18, 2020, 4:18 PM

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Aphro is good contender

spark mulch Jul 18, 2020, 4:18 PM

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nice, thats what I chose

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 4:18 PM

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Aphro is what you want because of crit interactions with Artemis (Heart Rend)

gleaming current Jul 18, 2020, 4:19 PM

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Wasn't there a doc about comparing heartbreak vs deadly btw?

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 4:19 PM

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Athena would normally be pretty appealing but 30% crit isn't that different from 50% crit

turbid needle Jul 18, 2020, 4:19 PM

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Well, Divine Strike and Deadly Reversal is still amazing.

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 4:19 PM

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Normally you'd want Divine Dash but Nemesis scales unbelievably well with Hunter Dash, it's kind of non-negotiable

neon bramble Jul 18, 2020, 4:19 PM

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I use mistral dash

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I prefer to utilize privileged status

gleaming current Jul 18, 2020, 4:20 PM

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I rolled divine dash + exposed for the best of 2 worlds

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 4:20 PM

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That's probably fine for safety, but it's all additive anyway, and Hunter Dash rare starts at 75% i think? Which is like 2x PS

turbid needle Jul 18, 2020, 4:20 PM

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50%.

gleaming current Jul 18, 2020, 4:21 PM

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that's common

turbid needle Jul 18, 2020, 4:21 PM

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Oh, you did say Rare.

neon bramble Jul 18, 2020, 4:21 PM

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But then you also have to consider the actual damage from the dash itself

cunning urchin Jul 18, 2020, 4:21 PM

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You don't need Hunter Dash on Nemesis.

neon bramble Jul 18, 2020, 4:21 PM

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So it works out to 50% anyway

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 4:21 PM

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Either way, Stygius' normal attack is slow, and hits like a noodle

neon bramble Jul 18, 2020, 4:21 PM

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Plus you get a status effect

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 4:22 PM

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Yeah, I get it from a utility standpoint. As long as you don't get a Chaos dash-strike it's probably comparable

cunning urchin Jul 18, 2020, 4:22 PM

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I'd rather have Divine Dash than Hunter Dash unless I already have Divine Strike . . . but then I'd probably take Divine Dash, too.

gleaming current Jul 18, 2020, 4:22 PM

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Or double edge maybe

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 4:22 PM

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Lol that's the dream

cunning urchin Jul 18, 2020, 4:23 PM

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Speedrunners will take Divine Dash also because it lets them play more aggressively.

neon bramble Jul 18, 2020, 4:23 PM

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Once you understand the mechanics, Schnap nova is also incredibly effective

cunning urchin Jul 18, 2020, 4:23 PM

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Plus, Deflect damage can be huge.

neon bramble Jul 18, 2020, 4:23 PM

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I like divine flourish with Schnap nova personally

gleaming current Jul 18, 2020, 4:23 PM

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One of times I got divine strike i was killed by a Spreader bullet flying under the hilt of the sword zaglol

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 4:23 PM

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Plus, Deflect damage can be huge.
@cunning urchin Yeah that's a compelling argument. Brilliant Riposte is insane

cunning urchin Jul 18, 2020, 4:24 PM

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Best Nemesis build for DPS is really Deadly Strike + Heartbreak Flourish + Divine Dash and their Duo Boons.

gleaming current Jul 18, 2020, 4:24 PM

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Oh, right, also divine dash makes most dash strikes during enemy attacks not take damage in return

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 4:25 PM

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I kind of like Snap Nova with Nemesis. It lets you conserve a dash for Dash Strike dps and lets you initiate with a backstab

neon bramble Jul 18, 2020, 4:25 PM

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You can do more than that with it

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Snap in, two dash strikes, recall, two dash strikes, snap out of danger

gleaming current Jul 18, 2020, 4:25 PM

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Snap nova is interesting in ideal gameplay but regularly it just messes the flow

neon bramble Jul 18, 2020, 4:26 PM

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I have ruined bosses with snap nova

gleaming current Jul 18, 2020, 4:26 PM

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Which is sad because it's an appealing upgrade otherwise

neon bramble Jul 18, 2020, 4:26 PM

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They can't target you if you use it correctly

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 4:26 PM

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I agree with @neon bramble actually. I was kind of shocked how good it was, once you get used to it. And I was very firmly in the "Snap Nova is the special Hoarding Slash" camp

gleaming current Jul 18, 2020, 4:27 PM

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That's rather weird camp tbh

neon bramble Jul 18, 2020, 4:27 PM

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I hated it at first as well

spark mulch Jul 18, 2020, 4:27 PM

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damn, looks like this revenge run is now a smouldering air run

neon bramble Jul 18, 2020, 4:27 PM

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I still don't like hoarding slash though 🤣

cunning urchin Jul 18, 2020, 4:27 PM

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@hearty elbow btw I didn't quite catch what you didn't understand about what I said re calls earlier.

gleaming current Jul 18, 2020, 4:27 PM

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Hoarding Slash is much less impactful in both sides than Snap Nova

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Safe but mostly weak upgrade

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 4:28 PM

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Lol, Snap Nova on most sword builds is awkward and will get you into worse situations than you would otherwise

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It's a meme with Poseidon, you'll always overshooot

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@cunning urchin Can you quote yourself? I didn't see, probably missed it, sorry

neon bramble Jul 18, 2020, 4:28 PM

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I only use it on nemesis... Then again, the only sword aspect I use is nemesis....

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So...

gleaming current Jul 18, 2020, 4:29 PM

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Nemesis gang baddyhueh

cunning urchin Jul 18, 2020, 4:29 PM

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I don't need 1.5+ seconds of invulnerability from a Call. I only need the i-frames from activation. If I want to maintain control instead of using Poseidon's Aid for any reason, I'll pick up Dionysus' Aid or Zeus' Aid to give me some damage or whatever.
The times I use a call for i-frames, like 95% of the time or something it's for one attack.

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You asked something about that.

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 4:29 PM

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Oh, right. Do you get iframes from any call?

gleaming current Jul 18, 2020, 4:29 PM

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Yes

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 4:30 PM

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Oh okay, wasn't aware of that. How big is the window, and around where?

cunning urchin Jul 18, 2020, 4:30 PM

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Yeah, all calls and summons give i-frames on activation.

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Immediately on activation.

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 4:30 PM

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During the screen freeze?

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oh, i see

cunning urchin Jul 18, 2020, 4:30 PM

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The window is err.. big enough.

gleaming current Jul 18, 2020, 4:30 PM

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I'd imagine the window is roughly equal to dash

cunning urchin Jul 18, 2020, 4:30 PM

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Somewhere around that.

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Maybe a bit more lenient?

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 4:30 PM

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I retract my statement then. I assumed only Ares, Athena and Poseidon were usable for defensive purposes

main osprey Jul 18, 2020, 4:31 PM

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Wouldn't an instant call (Lady Artemis, Lady Aphrodite) be better for pure i-frames, because you can charge it up again sooner?

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 4:31 PM

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Yeah but they're so inflexible for offense

neon bramble Jul 18, 2020, 4:31 PM

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Demeter

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Is one of my favourite calls

cunning urchin Jul 18, 2020, 4:31 PM

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Pretty sure you can still build gauge while using a Lesser Call.

gleaming current Jul 18, 2020, 4:32 PM

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Demeter is pretty mental on static targets

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 4:32 PM

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Is that true? If it has a duration the bar visibly decreases

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It probably is true for the instant projectile calls

gleaming current Jul 18, 2020, 4:33 PM

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It's hard to find out because you won't see actual fillup animation as deplete beats it, so maybe only by comparisons of the bar itself

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 4:33 PM

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yeah

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Best way to test would be Aphro Zeus duo

neon bramble Jul 18, 2020, 4:33 PM

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The most powerful call in the game is Athena combined with smoldering air. If you have the right setup, you can pretty much have infinite invulnerability

main osprey Jul 18, 2020, 4:34 PM

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When I did that, it would always be at 0% after I finished my call, iirc

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It was a bit ago, so it's possible I'm misremembering

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 4:34 PM

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you still have to dodge... sometimes, but yeah it's "effectively" infinite

gleaming current Jul 18, 2020, 4:34 PM

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MadelineThonk
Hmm, athena's aid with smoldering air is actually a decent experiment, because for me it always started at 0 as well

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 4:34 PM

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Divine Protection makes it more or less infinite

main osprey Jul 18, 2020, 4:35 PM

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Also had that

neon bramble Jul 18, 2020, 4:35 PM

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You need second wind + evasion with it

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Even better if you use the plume

gleaming current Jul 18, 2020, 4:35 PM

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Still not invincible tbh
Just highly, highly unlikely to get hit

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Timing the ambushes with athena's aid might make it a bit less of a stretch

neon bramble Jul 18, 2020, 4:36 PM

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I facetanked Hades with a build like that, didn't get hit once

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I wonder how a build with smoldering air, Athena aid, divine protection, and broken speartip would play out 🤔

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 4:44 PM

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Dude, Zeus, gimme your swag. 5 resets and neither Zeus' Aid nor HEaven's Vengeance (trying high heat Smoldering Air/Vengeful Mood Arthur)

spark mulch Jul 18, 2020, 4:50 PM

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I feel you dude, I spent 3 biomes trying to get vengeful mood, and instead got every other duo boon I could possibly get (not sure if thats an exaggeration yet)

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on the plus side I saw what you guys meant about the Arty/Aphro nemesis combo

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one of the easiest Hades fights I ever had

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 4:51 PM

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If you have 5 dashes I'd say it's probably some of the highest burst single target dps in the game

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Lol, I wish I had enough balls/skill to do Erebus with Excalibur

gleaming current Jul 18, 2020, 4:58 PM

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Same but just erebus no matter the weapon

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 4:59 PM

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Does anyone know visually how to determine where to backstab Skullcrushers or Soul Catchers?

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It just happens for me half the time and I'm just like... but circle

main osprey Jul 18, 2020, 5:00 PM

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Skull-crushers have a face

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 5:00 PM

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mindblown.jpg

main osprey Jul 18, 2020, 5:00 PM

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Like

broken berry Jul 18, 2020, 5:00 PM

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Yeah they're like Thwomps

main osprey Jul 18, 2020, 5:00 PM

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They're literally cyclops skulls

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 5:00 PM

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And Soul Catchers?

main osprey Jul 18, 2020, 5:01 PM

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No idea

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 5:01 PM

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obviously you can just hit one side and if it doesn't work hit the other but i'm curious if there's a visual difference

main osprey Jul 18, 2020, 5:01 PM

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Probably based on where the butterflies come out

broken berry Jul 18, 2020, 5:02 PM

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I'm going up to Elysium right now so I'll try finding the back lol

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Maybe they don't have a back shadefear

main osprey Jul 18, 2020, 5:02 PM

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o7

spark mulch Jul 18, 2020, 5:02 PM

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are there any ways of getting heroic Hermes boons apart from Eurydice?

main osprey Jul 18, 2020, 5:03 PM

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Rare Crop?

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 5:03 PM

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Yep that's it

spark mulch Jul 18, 2020, 5:03 PM

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😫

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wait,

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as in Rare crop works?

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or doesnt

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 5:04 PM

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eurydice and rare crop

spark mulch Jul 18, 2020, 5:04 PM

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rare crop just makes whatever purple, right?

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 5:04 PM

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no it makes 1, 2, or 3 boons common, then (if you're early enough) they'll be heroic

spark mulch Jul 18, 2020, 5:04 PM

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(clearly Im wrong here)

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hrmmm

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 5:05 PM

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12 encounters

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9*

spark mulch Jul 18, 2020, 5:05 PM

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oh no way

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thats great

main osprey Jul 18, 2020, 5:06 PM

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Yup

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 5:06 PM

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It's random

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So the earlier you are the better

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And fwiw you can't sell it, so it's a consideration when you start playing with Underworld Customs

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... Actually someone confirm pls I may be wrong on that. Can you sell it? Does it just stop the boons from growing up?

gleaming current Jul 18, 2020, 5:08 PM

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I'd imagine you cannot sell it as it is "immediate" benefit boon

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Maybe wiki knows

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 5:09 PM

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I wish wiki had information on the boon level

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But that's a lot of work, and I'm not volunteering lol

spark mulch Jul 18, 2020, 5:10 PM

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Haelien is under that impression too

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saw an interesting glitch in which he switched a dash that was under Rare Crop

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and rare crop still referred to the replaced boon

gleaming current Jul 18, 2020, 5:10 PM

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Boon level as in "how much each pom increases stats?"?

spark mulch Jul 18, 2020, 5:11 PM

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kind of unfortunate that Rare crop doesnt affect the replacing boon

broken berry Jul 18, 2020, 5:17 PM

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@hearty elbow @main osprey I made it through Elysium, but I wasn't able to backstab any Soul Catcher I ran into

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Which either means I'm bad at the game or Soul Catchers have no backs shadefear

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 5:18 PM

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i'm in elysium against soul catcher boss, i'll get back toyou

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thank you for reminding me to not one shot it with companion lol

main osprey Jul 18, 2020, 5:18 PM

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Well, that was good timing

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 5:19 PM

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has no butt

broken berry Jul 18, 2020, 5:20 PM

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shadeohboy

main osprey Jul 18, 2020, 5:20 PM

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What about a back?

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:3

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 5:22 PM

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ooo, a chaos gate in CHabmer 33. How bold do I feel

gleaming current Jul 18, 2020, 5:23 PM

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Sounds like damage per attack, small dashes and increased damage boons choice ngl

broken berry Jul 18, 2020, 5:23 PM

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I think it's up to how much heat you've got

gleaming current Jul 18, 2020, 5:23 PM

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Be a gamer and pick it regardless

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 5:24 PM

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unless it's take damage per cast, there is literally no negative boon I want against The Husbandos

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oh, I guess more enemies isn't bad

gleaming current Jul 18, 2020, 5:24 PM

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Trap damage thanthink

cunning urchin Jul 18, 2020, 5:24 PM

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Imagine getting 3 choices from Master Chaos. squirtooh

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Must be nice. squirtooh

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 5:25 PM

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:3

gleaming current Jul 18, 2020, 5:25 PM

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I always get 3 choices
1 of them that is the nicest one turns black tho

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 5:25 PM

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I am not a powerful enough planeswalker to play with Approval Process

gleaming current Jul 18, 2020, 5:25 PM

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Just to tease me

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It is almost like AP is actually sentient and chooses hurtful to not pick options

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 5:26 PM

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i'm a coward, i skipped it. They already have +60% damage from pact 32 heat, and I took Demeter attack, was never offered Aphro

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lol, both Haelian's 51 and whats his face's 52 world record runs recently were exclusively because of AP bless

gleaming current Jul 18, 2020, 5:29 PM

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That's how AP works, indeed

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You either get nice stuff or you don't get a record

dry ember Jul 18, 2020, 5:30 PM

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We have 52 now?

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What

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 5:30 PM

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maybe? I haven't finished the video yet but that was the title, sec getting link

gleaming current Jul 18, 2020, 5:30 PM

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52 is just a clickbait-ish title iirc

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2 attempts that ended in elysium

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 5:30 PM

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oh wtf lol

cunning urchin Jul 18, 2020, 5:31 PM

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50 from horheristo and 51 from Haelian. No one's done 52.

dry ember Jul 18, 2020, 5:31 PM

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Lmao

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 5:31 PM

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that's super lame on his part

dry ember Jul 18, 2020, 5:31 PM

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I mean 52 heat Elysium is good

cunning urchin Jul 18, 2020, 5:31 PM

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And skill was much more of a factor than luck in both cases.

dry ember Jul 18, 2020, 5:31 PM

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But not killing Champs doesn't help your case

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 5:32 PM

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@cunning urchin I'm def not saying Haelian's wasn't skill but his build did almost no damage and the double dash let him get away with attritioning bosses to death

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I did not finish Daddy Degrand's, apparently it ends twice lol

gleaming current Jul 18, 2020, 5:33 PM

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Skill and luck go hand by hand, with skill usually taking a dominant role but not enough to fully negate Fates turning away from you

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It's just that you need both pieces to get an exceptional run

stoic thicket Jul 18, 2020, 5:34 PM

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Yeah, the run was incredibly impressive. He lucked out a bit on AP but without getting somewhat lucky that should be impossible.

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Plus the fact that he didn't take TD2 was a huge factor.

cunning urchin Jul 18, 2020, 5:35 PM

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I mean, Greatest Reflex helped a great deal, but 99.9% of players here could have had the same build and not made it through Asphodel—and probably a big chunk not through Tartarus.

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 5:36 PM

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Lol, yeah, I think I recall the witch elite room he got in Tartarus and just getting proxy triggered

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i honestly think this build shell would work in 40+ heat. I'll gone for 40 next. Revenge is way better than i expected with damage mitigation and slow

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I didn't even get vengeful mood

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I guess I just got unlucky because I wasn't offered Greater Consecration the first 3 or 4 times I played Excalibur. It makes a world of difference. Flame Wheel/Chariot rooms aren't auto loss anymore

cunning urchin Jul 18, 2020, 5:48 PM

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What build?

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 5:48 PM

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Revenge Excalibur

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Ideally using Aphro attack, but I'm using Demeter right now and it's fine, just have to play more careful

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I thought it would be cheesy because I wanted to do Vengeful Mood, but I didn't even get the duo and this is working really well

cunning urchin Jul 18, 2020, 5:50 PM

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Should move to #h1-high-heat-strategies, actually.

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 5:50 PM

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ah, sure

spark mulch Jul 18, 2020, 6:11 PM

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do items stack?

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like two aether nets for example

gleaming current Jul 18, 2020, 6:12 PM

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Two styx blessings did stack so I assume others do as well

spark mulch Jul 18, 2020, 6:15 PM

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yep seems like aether does as well

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 6:35 PM

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What does Charm do against bosses? 4s stun (unhealthy fixation)?

gilded knoll Jul 18, 2020, 6:39 PM

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A much shorter stun yeah

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I don't remember how much shorter though, sorry

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 6:50 PM

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Not saying they'd ever do this ,but it would be swell if there was a hammer that let you reposition Consecration

pseudo lark Jul 18, 2020, 7:12 PM

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Does Swift Flourish increase the charge speed of Charged Skewer?

cunning urchin Jul 18, 2020, 7:16 PM

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Probably not.

random hull Jul 18, 2020, 7:16 PM

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According to the description, it should. The Swift Attack and Swift Flourish boons also shorten charge time. Source: Wiki.

cunning urchin Jul 18, 2020, 7:17 PM

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They do? thanthink

random hull Jul 18, 2020, 7:18 PM

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I've seen the effect with weapons with innate charging, I don't see why Charged Skewer should be excluded.

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I'll try to keep an eye of it if I ever see the combination.

stoic thicket Jul 18, 2020, 7:25 PM

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I'm fairly convinced it does.

pseudo lark Jul 18, 2020, 7:42 PM

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Well, I get the common one (+12%) almost all the time so even if it does, its effect is very miniscule.

idle oak Jul 18, 2020, 7:51 PM

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man i still get DESTROYED by asterius and theseus on EM3.

cunning urchin Jul 18, 2020, 8:00 PM

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Don't make fun other players. squirtnya

dire wedge Jul 18, 2020, 8:00 PM

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Okay, mb. I'll remove it

cunning urchin Jul 18, 2020, 8:01 PM

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👍

turbid needle Jul 18, 2020, 8:23 PM

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How's Zag Bow with Flurry Shot?

dire wedge Jul 18, 2020, 8:24 PM

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You can only get 4 gods in a run right? Even if you sell one god's boons?

stiff stone Jul 18, 2020, 8:24 PM

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5

turbid needle Jul 18, 2020, 8:24 PM

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5, including Hermes, not including Chaos (who is technically not a God but the progenitor).

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Though that's not technically correct, you can get all four Olympian slots filled and then force two more spawns with Keepsakes (3 if you're extremely adventurous and take one into Styx), but I don't think the game will spawn them past the forced keepsake spawn.

dire wedge Jul 18, 2020, 8:29 PM

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Got it, thanks

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My dream of Mirage Shot Lightning Phalanx isn't dead yet

turbid needle Jul 18, 2020, 8:37 PM

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I'll be damned. Swift Strike speeds up charge times, at least on Zag Coronacht.

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 8:39 PM

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I wonder if that's the case for every charge. Shields I'm most curious about since it's gated behind an attack

cunning urchin Jul 18, 2020, 8:39 PM

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How's Zag Bow with Flurry Shot?
Still bow.

turbid needle Jul 18, 2020, 8:39 PM

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Bow has been cleared on 32 Heat with every Aspect.

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It has been deemed Good™️.

cunning urchin Jul 18, 2020, 8:39 PM

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Any aspect can clear 32.

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 8:39 PM

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lol

gleaming current Jul 18, 2020, 8:40 PM

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~~now we need a run that uses no weapon and clears 32 heat~~

turbid needle Jul 18, 2020, 8:40 PM

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Yeah, so everything is good, because 32 is kind of stinking hard.

cunning urchin Jul 18, 2020, 8:40 PM

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Dash can clear 32. dusa

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 8:40 PM

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At 32, I think player skill is the biggest hurdle

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You need to start abusing game mechanics the less of them the game allows you

turbid needle Jul 18, 2020, 8:41 PM

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What's the Dash build?

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 8:41 PM

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There isn't a "the dash" build lol, it's just a self handicap for memes

cunning urchin Jul 18, 2020, 8:42 PM

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Hmm. Tidal Dash or Divine Dash.

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 8:42 PM

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Blade is good too, since boons can affect it

main osprey Jul 18, 2020, 8:42 PM

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I've killed Lernie with just blade dash :3

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 8:42 PM

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"Good"

gleaming current Jul 18, 2020, 8:42 PM

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Ideally starting with tidal and then somehow luckily switching into divine when you get merciful end

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 8:42 PM

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Merciful end sounds like cheating

gleaming current Jul 18, 2020, 8:43 PM

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Too bad

turbid needle Jul 18, 2020, 8:43 PM

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Can't use Merciful End with a Dash build, that would involved pressing Attack or Special.

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That's just an ME build, then.

gleaming current Jul 18, 2020, 8:43 PM

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Would it?

main osprey Jul 18, 2020, 8:43 PM

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nah, Divine Dash?

turbid needle Jul 18, 2020, 8:43 PM

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Unless you got Vengeful Mood.

gleaming current Jul 18, 2020, 8:43 PM

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Well we take any possibilities so

main osprey Jul 18, 2020, 8:44 PM

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oh jeez, Vengeful Mood with Athena's revenge boon + ME

gleaming current Jul 18, 2020, 8:44 PM

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Oh yeah dio dash also exists

turbid needle Jul 18, 2020, 8:44 PM

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Does that instantly proc?

cunning urchin Jul 18, 2020, 8:44 PM

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No revenge x dash hybrid builds.

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Dash only.

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 8:44 PM

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I tried twice with just Zeus and Ares revenge boons, and never got the duo, both the wiki and the sticky here do not make mention of that being possible without core boons, can someone else confirm that?

turbid needle Jul 18, 2020, 8:44 PM

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Drunken Dash is nice for DC(2), Splitting Headache, and Privileged Status.

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I don't even consider it for chip damage like I do Slicing Shot minus Hunting Blades.

cunning urchin Jul 18, 2020, 8:45 PM

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Now I kind of want to do a dash only run on 32 heat . . .

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 8:45 PM

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Lol, Drunken Dash scales really really well off of the double pom Duo

turbid needle Jul 18, 2020, 8:46 PM

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Oh, probably.

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Good luck!

cunning urchin Jul 18, 2020, 8:46 PM

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Don't have the time for it. I'm working on other things. squirtooh

gleaming current Jul 18, 2020, 8:46 PM

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Cast only builds are also a possibility ig

cunning urchin Jul 18, 2020, 8:47 PM

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That one's obvious, though.

gleaming current Jul 18, 2020, 8:47 PM

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Just get crystal beams :)

calm sable Jul 18, 2020, 8:48 PM

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Quick question lads zaggyice

cunning urchin Jul 18, 2020, 8:48 PM

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Hmmm. Zagreus Aspect of Stygius shall be my weapon of choice for whenever I do that, I suppose.

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That or Excalibur.

calm sable Jul 18, 2020, 8:48 PM

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Do deflected projectiles change colour yet

cunning urchin Jul 18, 2020, 8:48 PM

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Free +50 HP is nice.

gleaming current Jul 18, 2020, 8:49 PM

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As far as i recall, no, they don't change yet

calm sable Jul 18, 2020, 8:49 PM

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Oh okay

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Ty

cunning urchin Jul 18, 2020, 8:49 PM

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They don't.

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 8:49 PM

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yet?

calm sable Jul 18, 2020, 8:49 PM

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I believe in the dream that they will make them a different colour before launch

cunning urchin Jul 18, 2020, 8:50 PM

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Or at launch.

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 8:50 PM

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Do deflected bombs friendly fire?

main osprey Jul 18, 2020, 8:50 PM

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don't think so?

gleaming current Jul 18, 2020, 8:50 PM

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Pretty sure they don't, but I'm too scared of them regardless to tell

sterile portal Jul 18, 2020, 8:51 PM

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Which bombs? Do you mean those from jars in the Styx?

hearty elbow Jul 18, 2020, 8:51 PM

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lol, this is intensely relevant atm, otherwise this Chaos boon is going to sting

sterile portal Jul 18, 2020, 8:51 PM

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Oh, infernal bombs don't deal damage once deflected

turbid needle Jul 18, 2020, 9:39 PM

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they dont unless EM3

static jacinth Jul 18, 2020, 9:43 PM

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I think that if you have Extreme Measures 3 on, Cerberus should get some fancy new armor. He's a boss too.

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The armor should do absolutely nothing.

gleaming current Jul 18, 2020, 9:44 PM

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GOD
That's really good idea

spark mulch Jul 18, 2020, 9:46 PM

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lol wearing a fake extra head

gleaming current Jul 18, 2020, 9:46 PM

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Imagine if there was EM4 that gives 0 heat, for the sole reason of that

spark mulch Jul 18, 2020, 9:46 PM

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lol wearing a Lernie skull with red fur glued all over it

gleaming current Jul 18, 2020, 9:46 PM

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Just to mess with people's expectations
"they want me to make game harder for literally nothing? not a chance"

gilded knoll Jul 18, 2020, 11:50 PM

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EM4- need to double sack.

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TD rage intensifies

main osprey Jul 18, 2020, 11:50 PM

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Blegh

unkempt pagoda Jul 19, 2020, 12:07 AM

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self care is turning on 0 heat and playing a full wine build

dry ember Jul 19, 2020, 12:24 AM

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self care is turning on TD1 so you don't have to so survival rooms

main osprey Jul 19, 2020, 12:26 AM

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Self care is laughing at everything trying to hit you through your shield in a survival room

gleaming current Jul 19, 2020, 12:28 AM

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Self care isn't present in this game ngl

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Also, apparently I found out I suck with any weapon but sword and partially spear residentzag

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Time for 0 heat runs which are infamously close to death on dad

frank tide Jul 19, 2020, 1:14 AM

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malphon is easy

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grab zeus strike

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proceed to m1 people

main osprey Jul 19, 2020, 1:28 AM

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is there any difference in rarity between two boons offered from a trial?

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nvm, checked the wiki

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nope

gleaming current Jul 19, 2020, 1:36 AM

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38 minutes with Chiron
yeaaaah

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Probably doesn't help I sold special by accident and only regained it in styx

main osprey Jul 19, 2020, 1:38 AM

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I don't remember when the discussion was happening, but someone was asking about a dash-only run

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I'm about to fight the Heroes on 12 heat with just blade dash

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(I also have Ares' Call but I'm not gonna use it)

gleaming current Jul 19, 2020, 1:39 AM

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You spin us right round, baby right round

main osprey Jul 19, 2020, 1:39 AM

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:3

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I also have Engulfing Vortex and Viscous Cycle

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woohoo!

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took a bunch of damage, but no DDs lost

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running ahead of both Asterius and Theseus with 4 blade dashes was hilarious

gleaming current Jul 19, 2020, 1:48 AM

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Sounds like scarily viable strat

main osprey Jul 19, 2020, 1:51 AM

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only issue is I have no way to stun enemies >:3

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so uhhh

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that was probably one of my easiest final boss fights

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I'll upload the video at some point

main osprey Jul 19, 2020, 2:19 AM

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uploaded

kind fiber Jul 19, 2020, 2:30 AM

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Is eternal chamber any good?

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Based on the description it seems I would rather pick any other upgrade basically

main osprey Jul 19, 2020, 2:32 AM

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it's good, yeah

turbid needle Jul 19, 2020, 2:32 AM

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With lightning and Splitting Bolt.

kind fiber Jul 19, 2020, 2:32 AM

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I guess its probably good with Athena as the primary attack boon so you are never vulnerable to melee attackers

main osprey Jul 19, 2020, 2:32 AM

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think doom attack, or zeus attack

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or yeah, Athena

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or Pos, or as I call it, the Sea Storm Super Soaker

kind fiber Jul 19, 2020, 2:33 AM

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Does it just do 10 damage a tick? or does it have increased base damage?

main osprey Jul 19, 2020, 2:33 AM

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dunno off the top of my head

kind fiber Jul 19, 2020, 2:33 AM

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I just don't really want to take it if it doesn't improve the base damage

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Currently using a heroic ranked demeter boon for attack

untold vortex Jul 19, 2020, 2:34 AM

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having to never reload again seems pretty good to me :3

kind fiber Jul 19, 2020, 2:36 AM

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but its less damage tho

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i think I'd rather take the triple bomb or targeting system

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(the other two options currently)

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eh, fine

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i should really give it a try eventually

turbid needle Jul 19, 2020, 2:40 AM

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Lucifer gets the vast majority of its damage from the ramp.

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If you do take Eternal Chamber be sure you've either got something to work independently or a good Special kit.

idle oak Jul 19, 2020, 2:41 AM

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higher heat Lucifer is just so so slow.

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the ramp damage is too risky to stand still to doin Elysium with flame wheels charging at you

serene isle Jul 19, 2020, 2:42 AM

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So @near grove and I were doing some Sword Tech Talk and found out that if you Nova Carry (my shorthand for interrupting your Nova with a Dash to "carry" the AoE damage to a different end location), if you attempt to start Sword's Attack Combo, rather than doing the expected Combo 1 -> Combo 2 -> Combo 3, Zagreus instead does Combo 1 -> Combo 1 -> Combo 2 -> Combo 3.

In the below video I demonstrate it. However, it seems to be inconsistent as every so often Zagreus does the "normal" combo instead of the 4-hit variation (an instance of the "normal combo" happening after a Nova Carry can be seen at around 15 seconds into the video). Because of that, I'm assuming that this is a bug and have reported it (will also post on #h1-tech-support).

Possible Applications: Needing to hit the enemy with 3 attacks without having to commit to the Combo 3's long animation/knockback.

https://youtu.be/u6CeJoD8fvE

YouTube

TheMechanicritic

Hades Sword Combo Tech

Doing a Nova Carry into Attacks causes the Sword to do Combo 1 into Combo 1 instead of the expected Combo 1 into Combo 2.

This essentially gives Zag a "4-hit Combo." Better yet, it lets you do 3 full hits without having to do the Thrust (which can be useful if you don't want...

▶ Play video

kind fiber Jul 19, 2020, 2:47 AM

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Eternal chamber seems to not have any additional damage

willow fossil Jul 19, 2020, 2:47 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/kaZOzTn.png

Imgur

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why the fates do me like that

serene isle Jul 19, 2020, 2:48 AM

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You're already stacked on boons and don't have Blades Cast

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So it's not really a choice

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IMO

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Eternal chamber seems to not have any additional damage
@kind fiber With Lucifer laser, having eternal chamber means that your damage doesnt ramp anymor

willow fossil Jul 19, 2020, 2:48 AM

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im doing approval process

serene isle Jul 19, 2020, 2:48 AM

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@willow fossil OH. That changes things

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LOL

willow fossil Jul 19, 2020, 2:48 AM

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yeah lmao

kind fiber Jul 19, 2020, 2:50 AM

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@serene isle I'm aware. But i was hoping that the base damage would be improved so it wouldn't just be 10 damage, oh well

serene isle Jul 19, 2020, 2:50 AM

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I see. Infinity chamber is only really good if you have Zeus attack boon

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once you get there, it just goes off the rails

kind fiber Jul 19, 2020, 2:51 AM

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I was giving it a shot, doesn't seem to be working out

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at least not especially well

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its okay tho

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Its nice to be able to fire constantly, even if the damage is low

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Obviously I don't have the zeus attack boon

serene isle Jul 19, 2020, 2:51 AM

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Yeah. The Zeus Attack boon is what makes eternal chamber good

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Possibly "broken"

willow fossil Jul 19, 2020, 2:52 AM

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whast the eternal chamber?

serene isle Jul 19, 2020, 2:52 AM

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Since a single zeus attack boon quite literally doubles or triples your DPS

unkempt pagoda Jul 19, 2020, 2:52 AM

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infinite ammo for lucifer

kind fiber Jul 19, 2020, 2:52 AM

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Eternal chamber is a hammer upgrade to the lucifer aspect rail

serene isle Jul 19, 2020, 2:52 AM

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@willow fossil Hammer for Lucifer rail. Makes it so that you never have to reload but the damage doesnt ramp anymore

willow fossil Jul 19, 2020, 2:52 AM

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oh ok

serene isle Jul 19, 2020, 2:52 AM

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(and unlike the infinite ammo for regular rail, the Lucifer rail retains its regular attack properties, so it stills fires fast continuously)

kind fiber Jul 19, 2020, 2:54 AM

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How fast does it fire in comparison with the regular rail?

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I mean like how often does it do damage in comparison with how often the regular rail fires a shot?

serene isle Jul 19, 2020, 2:55 AM

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I have no concrete numbers but Lucifer rail definitely "damage ticks" faster than regular rail.

small stirrup Jul 19, 2020, 2:56 AM

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@main osprey Jeez just saw the dash only vid. Where the hell did you get so many poms?

main osprey Jul 19, 2020, 2:56 AM

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uhh

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nectar as well

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I only had teh one boon for most of it

kind fiber Jul 19, 2020, 2:56 AM

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I believe thats true but I'm still interested in knowing the fire rate of both

unkempt pagoda Jul 19, 2020, 2:57 AM

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Beam Attack Hold Attack button to Fire. 10 Damage, +1 per tic Total: 370 Damage for 20 Ammo Clip
Range: 710
Beam is not interrupted while Dashing
from wiki, for lucifer attack

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if you want to math it out yourself

serene isle Jul 19, 2020, 2:57 AM

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@kind fiber I did some rudimentary tests. It takes Lucifer rail around 2.6 seconds to empty it's 20 size clip (with each ammo being a tick). It takes regular rail 3.2 seconds to shoot 20 shots. So Lucifer is faster.

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So lucifer does around 7.7 shots a second. Regular rail does around 6.3 shots a second.

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So Lucifer shoots AROUND 1 extra shot per second compared to rail.

kind fiber Jul 19, 2020, 2:59 AM

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@unkempt pagoda How exactly does that math work out? if it does 10 damage on the first shot and 29 damage on the last shot, it should do 390 damage, not 370

unkempt pagoda Jul 19, 2020, 3:00 AM

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it's what's on the wiki

kind fiber Jul 19, 2020, 3:00 AM

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kk

serene isle Jul 19, 2020, 3:01 AM

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So I tested out the ramping damage as well

kind fiber Jul 19, 2020, 3:01 AM

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I know its accurate in the sense that a full clip is 370 damage, I just don't know where the math breaks down there

serene isle Jul 19, 2020, 3:01 AM

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The last shot only actually does 25 damage (not 29)

kind fiber Jul 19, 2020, 3:01 AM

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Ah

serene isle Jul 19, 2020, 3:01 AM

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So that means it's not ENTIRELY a +1 damage per tick

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Anyway, there you go. Hopefully that helped

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LOL

unkempt pagoda Jul 19, 2020, 3:02 AM

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i remember there was discourse around here that the ramping does odd things as it goes up

serene isle Jul 19, 2020, 3:03 AM

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Yeah it seems like it does

unkempt pagoda Jul 19, 2020, 3:03 AM

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some weird non-linear formula

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could possibly just be hand-inputted too

serene isle Jul 19, 2020, 3:04 AM

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Yeah seems like it

kind fiber Jul 19, 2020, 3:08 AM

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Is it possible its just fractions and its rounding damage up or down?

serene isle Jul 19, 2020, 3:08 AM

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That's my thinking too

kind fiber Jul 19, 2020, 3:09 AM

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You could probably iron down the exact numbers using different amounts of % damage increases

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That is, if the fractional damage is actually calculated into the final damage

serene isle Jul 19, 2020, 3:10 AM

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At some point I just leave the math to SG

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LOL

kind fiber Jul 19, 2020, 3:12 AM

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It sounds like a lot of work, but you could definitely perform the science here

unkempt pagoda Jul 19, 2020, 3:13 AM

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i'm sure the data miners will get around to it :v

serene isle Jul 19, 2020, 3:17 AM

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Yeah a better job for the miners

turbid needle Jul 19, 2020, 4:37 AM

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@cunning urchin Showcase Showdown decision, does Smoldering Air push Zeus into top 4 Olympians?

kind fiber Jul 19, 2020, 4:38 AM

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How exactly do people use smoldering air? Dion, Aphro and Demeter seem to have the best calls for it

turbid needle Jul 19, 2020, 4:38 AM

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I press Shift every 5 seconds, dropping (usually) Zeus's or Dionysus's Aid and destroying everything around me.

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Some accomplished players swear by Poseidon's Aid.

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If you can fit it into the build, Artemis's Aid actually kinda shreds.

unkempt pagoda Jul 19, 2020, 4:39 AM

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poseidon's aid does a surprisingly high amount of damage, if you can control it

turbid needle Jul 19, 2020, 4:39 AM

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It backstabs, so something like a Nemesis/Zag Malphon crit build can just slot that in and gain pretty astounding damage.

kind fiber Jul 19, 2020, 4:40 AM

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Zeus's seems good for a melee build but the short range seems pretty restrictive in general

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I'd probably prefer poseidon's over zeus's

turbid needle Jul 19, 2020, 4:40 AM

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Well, there you go, get used to surfing every five seconds and you're golden.

kind fiber Jul 19, 2020, 4:41 AM

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How do the 3 i mentioned fair?

turbid needle Jul 19, 2020, 4:41 AM

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Aphrodite is hilarious in boss fights, Demeter's is fine, but Dionysus is monster strong.

unkempt pagoda Jul 19, 2020, 4:41 AM

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dio is high dps, demeter is constant chill, aphro is a stunlock

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aphro's good in regular rooms too

turbid needle Jul 19, 2020, 4:42 AM

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It's basically leagues more powerful than any Attack/Special Hangover build on top of a totally separate Attack/Special kit.

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Does require you to stay close-in, though.

kind fiber Jul 19, 2020, 4:43 AM

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So the worst one would be like Ares then?

turbid needle Jul 19, 2020, 4:43 AM

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Maybe?

unkempt pagoda Jul 19, 2020, 4:43 AM

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i mean, it'd probably be ok

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if i had vicious i would explicitly not want smouldering

turbid needle Jul 19, 2020, 4:43 AM

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I've never tried it with Ares, and Smoldering Air is so strong that its "worst" is probably A-.

kind fiber Jul 19, 2020, 4:44 AM

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Yeah, Smoldering air did seem good

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I haven't used it much though

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Had a late start on the patch and was trying a bit of everything

unkempt pagoda Jul 19, 2020, 4:44 AM

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it's broke, basically