well, good luck! π
#h1-builds-and-combat
eternal quartz
toxic tusk
Quick question about something I could never figure out: do boons that give dash-attack +% affect the damage of the spear spin if you dash instead of just letting it go?
eternal quartz
Quick testing on Guan Yu says: no. And it shouldn't if you think about it, it's not a dash attack, it's spin attack dash thingy π It is different
autumn zephyr
Uhh anyone wanna explain to me what makes aspect of chaos good
random hull
The special can hit virtually anything in the room after a bull rush, which is great for status spreading, for example.
If upgraded enough, anything and everything.
It's also notably very easy to use, as it boils down to simply alternating bull rush and special without precise aiming, and since you're blocking most of the time, offers good defense.
eternal quartz
It's also good with Ares special for example, at least I like to use it that way π
autumn zephyr
I was leaning towards that and just picked it up! we'll see what happens
I just wanted a break from beowulf
gilded knoll
All RNG
rare kayak
theyre all equally likely
acoustic venture
I SUCK at fighting doomstone
With literally any weapon, itβs still Tartarus so itβs not like itβll cost me a DD but I just donβt know how to counter it
eternal quartz
be mindful of when it's gonna attack with lasers and try to stay away from them by standing still. Before that kill as much of the small ones to avoid laser connections
acoustic venture
Tbf I try and do the same thing as butterfly ball mini boss and just dps rush it down
Which results in me just eating lasers for years
cunning urchin
It will split off shards when you do damage, so keep a balance of damaging Doomstone and killing off its shards.
When you've broken through the armor, just kill it off asap.
Alternatively, you can use a summon to break through the armor and kill it off easily after that.
eternal quartz
yea, after breaking the armor you can stagger it, which helps
hybrid galleon
god damn it i accidentally pressed B to let hades two shot me and one dd gone
there goes my 22 heat run
couldve squeeeze through it but its that one DD that is the most important
turbid needle
so I hated blitzdisc but today I ran it w divine flourish and thought it was funny as hell π€© any other fun builds?
hybrid galleon
shields?
turbid needle
with the beyblade I mean
turbid needle
well thats what it does anyways
hybrid galleon
I could last the whole room and the disc just reached me with the S P E E D
turbid needle
I just wondered if anyone had more sucess with another flourish other than divine
hybrid galleon
thunder flourish
turbid needle
hmmm
eternal quartz
I was having some fun with Ares' dash and Blitz disc - let it chase you when you're leaving those vortexes everywhere π
hybrid galleon
because it procs everytime it hits
random hull
The Zeus shield could really use a hammer that pulls enemies in.
turbid needle
it would be cool if it had a special hammer yeah π€
random hull
From what I've heard, only the fourth aspects get specific hammers, but perhaps the devs can be swayed with feedback.
turbid needle
I have the most success by just letting it chase me but its kinda hard to steer it into enemies still
lost cairn
What would you max out? Aspect of Arthur or Beowulf?
dry ember
Since you are asking for personal opinion, Arthur for me.
lost cairn
I feel it has less benefit from upgrading?
eternal quartz
depends on what your playstyle is, really. I couldn't get use to Arthur, as it hits slow and I prefer quicker playstyle. But I did get use to it and it's really fun, especially when you deflect the projectiles with Athena's Dash. Beowulf hits hard though, but there's that damage increase...
lost cairn
I really like it's playstyle but it doesn't seem to me that much different on lvl 5.
Beowulf has x5 damage and area on lvl 5
eternal quartz
that's true, it doesn't seem that much different. Higher damage reduction might be really useful though when you're doing revenge build, I guess
lost cairn
Also, the best perk you get with Excalibur for me is the projectile slow, and I don't think it gets better with upgrades?
dry ember
Sounds like your mind is made up
lost cairn
Well I kinda refunded - hit Give Up at Furies
strange bay
til i love parting shot
with a poseidon sword every single cast was just so
chunky
blown kiss, a big blinding flash...
bleak flower
this probably has an obvious answer that i'm just missin, but does the pinned butterfly have an upper limit? i got it to 23.5% and it stopped building up after that
main osprey
Not that I know of?
bleak flower
maybe it just doesn't work in the temple of styx, that's when it stopped
bleak flower
ah~~ thank you
that explains a lot, i originally picked this one because i thought i could get good stacks in this area 
but heck
naive tusk
Could anyone test something for me? I'd do it myself but it would take me more time as I'm currently working on other stuff. I just want to know if you can get Razor Shoals, Breaking Wave, etc. from Flood Flare only (that means not having other Poseidon boons with knockback)
dry ember
I'll keep that in mind for my next runs
stiff stone
Iβll try it out
naive tusk
As well as getting other boons from Trippy Flare (such as High Tolerance, Ice Wine, etc.)
stiff stone
I got ice wine before but that was a while back
naive tusk
As long as you get Ice Wine, High Tolerance, Scintillating Feast, and other boons from Trippy Flare to appear, that'd suffice to corroborate some information I have.
It's still RNG, I know, but if they don't appear at all after some tries (while you have been consistently getting them with Trippy Shot) it might prove a thesis I have.
Same for Flood Flare and the tier 2 boons (or some of the Duo boons).
dry ember
Got it. I'll take Poseidon Poseidon sword out for a swing.
naive tusk
Appreciate the willingness 
Got it. I'll take Poseidon Poseidon sword out for a swing.
@dry ember By the way, you will need to use Beowulf for that as it's the only weapon that gives the Flares
dry ember
Ok
stiff stone
@naive tusk https://imgur.com/a/vZJ223y
naive tusk
Sweet! That helps a lot! Thank you radish 
stiff stone
π
Gonna go another run, this one was the type in which I got the flare as a forced boon and didn't see Poseidon till Styx...
naive tusk
If you could do it with Trippy Flare too, I'd be forever in your debt 
stiff stone
Oh okay, sure!
stiff stone
Anytime π
main osprey
huh
gilded knoll
Wow a hair away from the aoe?
dry ember
I was about 1 frame away from that
main osprey
so this just happened :D
modest urchin
sell it!
modest urchin
yeah it's a huge inject of money lol
dry ember
All I see is 400 gold
dry ember
Something like that
main osprey
uhh, which Athena t2 goes towards her legendary?
main osprey
oh, I already have the duo, I'm at the next Athena boon xD
dry ember
Take the call bro
main osprey
i know
I'm just chuckling
oh my lord meg's wave attack is fast on FO2
eheheheh
athena's call says no
yeah, stubborn roots is 415 obol
modest urchin
i just learned if i attack flame wheel with athena attack.. i can deflect their explosion lmao
magic dagger
It's even better if you attack them with athena everything
tame patrol
everyones favorite god? i recently beat the game my first time yesterday but, i keep running demeter/dionysus build
languid flume
depends on the weapon
zeus attack is amazing on a fast-attacking weapon like the ||fists or rail||, and not as good on a slower weapon like the ||sword or bow||
though daedalus hammers can, of course, always change this by changing how a weapon plays
overall though i'd say my favourite in terms of "most fun to use" is probably Dionysus, lots of cool things you can do with him
turbid needle
like?
languid flume
his cast is a lot of fun with certain builds (think ice wine type stuff), and also plays really well with Hera
meanwhile, the hangover mechanic is interesting because it creates cool decisions
turbid needle
i like the aphodite cast on hera more than dion
languid flume
you want it on something that hits a lot (so you stack the hangovers) but not TOO much (since then zeus is better)
aphrodite cast is solid too but has a tendency to get stuck in enemies
can feel kinda clunky
languid flume
though recently i've been playing around with Athena's kit more
it still has a lot of... hit-or-miss stuff but
turbid needle
i cant live without her dash
languid flume
Athena cast + Poseidon aspect of the sword is actually really good
languid flume
like each cast dealing something like 600 to the final boss
and then you just rinse-repeat with a special cycle
is pretty crazy
toss on exit wounds for a good time
takes some getting used to though, its a weird cast to use because of the deflect thing
but i find it much better than other "generic projectiles" like zeus/artemis/etc since i've gotten practice with it
turbid needle
the exposed status at least helps
languid flume
Zeus is also fun for when i kinda wanna turn my brain off for a run and just spam lighting attack
he doesnt really require changing your playstyle much (except strongly incentivizing you to take more and more Zeus stuff, since his higher-tier boons are so synergistic)
so you just kinda spam attacks and go to town
turbid needle
ares runs are the exact same feeling for me
just hit them and they die yaaaaaaaaaaaaay
dry ember
I hated Ares for the longest time
Like why would I want back loaded damage
The enemies are either dead or overkilled by the time Doom Proc
languid flume
ares is cool with stuff that has a lot of "space" between attacks
like ares attack on hestia aspect (if you cycle single shot -> reload -> single shot -> reload -> repeat, with specials thrown in) or ares special on a cast-focused poseidon aspect build
or bull rush-focused shield, or even a lot of bow builds
certainly not as good as on, say, fists though
(though fists work fairly well with ares dash in my experience)
dry ember
like ares attack on hestia aspect (if you cycle single shot -> reload -> single shot -> reload -> repeat, with specials thrown in) or ares special on a cast-focused poseidon aspect build
IK, I am a big advocate for Doom Hunter Dash Hestia
Glad I'm not the only one
empty robin
I can feel sombody talking trash about Excalibur
turbid needle
Please don't evade the bot.
empty robin
@lost cairn the damage reduction is super good wdym
turbid needle
Who wants to start an extremely controversial discourse?
I'm talking Holy Roman Empire/Byzantium Empire-type schism, here.
HRE is either H, R, nor E
fite me
what is the best aspect for shield?
Chaos.
Easily.
what is up with the 4th one
4th Aspects are cool, but Chaos nuts.
Beowulf requires some pretty specific builds that get really really fun but are just more limited.
hrm
examples for these specific builds?
huh, its throw hits for 45, that's triple the norm
Does its throw bounce naturally?
I know it didn't for a time, and while it had good damage the lack of bounce made it too frustrating without the right Hammer spawn.
cunning urchin
I can clear 20 Heat with Chaos Aspect reading the chat more than looking at the game. Not even hyperbole.
Just put anything on it. Spam bull-rush > special > repeat.
Or nothing. It will just take a bit longer.
unkempt pagoda
Who wants to start an extremely controversial discourse?
achilles is the worst weapon in the game
turbid needle
I forgot what I wanted to say because wow that was spicier than anything I had to say.
unkempt pagoda
is it? i thought it was pretty lukewarm in the grand scheme of things
turbid needle
Not Zag Stygius?
cunning urchin
I still have issues making the Zagreus Aspect of Varatha work with TD2 in Elysium.
turbid needle
Exploding Skewer spawn with Deadly Flourish?
unkempt pagoda
okay tbf, the only time i've used zagius was on skelly
but i play way too recklessly with my position to use something like achilles
turbid needle
Zag Stygius is what I've most commonly heard cited as worst Aspect.
cunning urchin
I want to solve it without Exploding Skewer. If I need one specific hammer to make it work, that's no good.
unkempt pagoda
eh, hypothetically zag stygius is still the sword
turbid needle
Yes, but in terms of least powerful.
unkempt pagoda
spear may have gotten better with the recent changes but not too much
turbid needle
Honestly, best I could think of is Chain Skewer with Doom.
unkempt pagoda
especially not enough to make achilles work for me
cunning urchin
I've still not put any Titan Blood into Achilles Aspect.
cunning urchin
Chiron for me is low tier, too.
cunning urchin
I'm a girl.
unkempt pagoda
Chiron for me is low tier, too.
i can agree with that too
turbid needle
Nyaa, how do you feel about builds that are very singular but spike extremely high?
turbid needle
I'll agree Chiron isn't great, unless you have Heartbreak Strike, Deadly Flourish, Heart Rend, and a couple of Special damage bonuses.
Then it's one of the meltiest builds in the game.
This is different from Malphon, which works with like, 6/8 Strike boons the game has to offer.
unkempt pagoda
i still have to try chiron with the concentrated special hammer, it'd probably change my opinion a little
turbid needle
I haven't tried Chiron since, either.
But requiring a specific Hammer still counts in this conversation.
unkempt pagoda
the last time i had fun with chiron was when charged special was still available for it, so i'm hoping it'd be a decent replacement
cunning urchin
I tried Chain Skewer with Heartbreak Flourish the last time, and I think it hurt my DPS more than it helped.
turbid needle
Yeah, that's why I specified Doom, which deals damage independently of the weapon's Attack or Special damage.
unkempt pagoda
a full doom build with chain skewer sounds spicy
cunning urchin
I remember trying that in the past, but I haven't tried it since the buffs.
turbid needle
Merciful End, Divine Dash, a decent rarity on Greatest Reflex.
unkempt pagoda
hm
turbid needle
I'll take a look at it in the near future.
unkempt pagoda
maybe a gimmicky build but:
hades spear with deflect on attack, doom chain skewer, and merciful end
quick spin to dish out the mercifuls faster
cunning urchin
Merciful End works on everything.
I'd probably put that on Attack, though
Curse of Agony + Divine Dash and just spam dash-strike.
lost lark
hi, I just unlock varatha's guan yu aspect, the max health is low, how to overcome this ?, which keepshake and talents is a must to use ?
unkempt pagoda
unfortunately it's the reverse attacking loop that hades wants, but it's capitalizing on the bigger spin
turbid needle
I can't think of any reason to not go for Artemis on Aspect of Hades.
cunning urchin
@lost lark you'll have more health if you level up the aspect.
unkempt pagoda
hi, I just unlock varatha's guan yu aspect, the max healt is low, how to overcome this ?, which keepshake and talents is a must to use ?
upgrading it with titan blood will reduce the hp debuff a little, but the debuff is balanced out by the spin's inherent lifesteal
cunning urchin
Well, Hades Aspect damage is high enough with the debuff that you don't necessarily need crit damage on it.
Could go for some utility with Weak or Deflect etc. instead.
unkempt pagoda
you want to play more carefully, but guan yu can do some insane damage with the right stuff
lost lark
upgrading it with titan blood will reduce the hp debuff a little, but the debuff is balanced out by the spin's inherent lifesteal
is there any keepshake or talents that kinda "must be" used for guan yu ?
unkempt pagoda
you'd want the mirror trait that increases health, to be sure, but it doesn't really need anything
lost lark
ahh ok, thanks
clear dome
okay trippy flare is broken, lvl 5 and 4 times 3 stacking it on hades phase 2 killed him, plus scintillating feast...
turbid needle
too bad you didnt have iced wine as well
clear dome
didnt need to since i charmed hades to stay in 1 place
turbid needle
still
grim loom
lightning or poison special chaos shield is a personal favorite
and then see if u can grab support fire
main osprey
Chaos or Zag shield, Minotaur Rush, Charged Shot, Artemis Attack
merry oxide
ok so I went chaos shield
cunning urchin
Divine Strike and nothing else + EM3. You'll deal low base damage and zero deflect damage to the champions. Fun. 
main osprey
Nyaa, I think you might've salted your nectar a bit too much
merry oxide
ehhh actually not sure how good that'll be
cunning urchin
Take Curse of Agony on Attack.
merry oxide
I see, ok
clear dome
nya, i think thats not fun but masochistic
cunning urchin
cunning urchin
Then get Curse of Nausea for faster Hangover tics.
clear dome
just buff the trippy shot to lvl 4 and skip all fury phases
also dashing flight seems fun
cunning urchin
Err . . . Dashing Flight, I would say.
The faster your special returns, the faster your bull-rush > special rotation will be.
clear dome
wait, how do you use explosive return? its kinda useless
merry oxide
so now do I rush > dash > special repeat?
main osprey
You get close
turbid needle
explosive return is not useless
it gives your special an aoe that also applies whatever boon your special has
clear dome
still useless, if you are that close to the enemy might as well hit them
cunning urchin
Do you need to do a Dash-Special to make it work? I've no idea, I don't really pay attention when I play Chaos Aspect lol.
turbid needle
@clear dome maybe your set up for special has higher dps?
cunning urchin
That might make the rotation slower if that's the case.
turbid needle
it's situational at least
cunning urchin
Not like it matters.
main osprey
Relatable
cunning urchin
@merry oxide thief! 
main osprey
@prime forge please specify that you're talking about Hydraulic Might in your feedback
prime forge
@main osprey thanks
weak rivet
Oh theres
Weekly challenges in here???
I like that
I like this one
π
Ok but 5 unique god boons can you even do that without swapping your keepsake out
random hull
Yes. You get the regular four gods plus Hermes. Chaos is also possible.
Getting a Duo is no simple condition, but definitely doable. Duoable.
weak rivet
CHOOSING THAN AS THE FRIEND WAS A MISTAKE BUT I WILL NOT RESTART
Witch circle: omae wa mou... Shindeiru
Pierced butterfly: nani
When you get an epic life affirmation
odd seal
Yo, is it just me or is the kinetic launcher completely unavailable while using the talos aspect?
Havent seen it yet and I just found out it even existed lol (Since Im always running the fists with Talos)
cunning urchin
That sounds right. I don't think anyone's confirmed that in the game files, yet. But I haven't seen Kinetic Launcher with Talos, I don't think.
random hull
Huh. That might explain why I couldn't complete the Malphon prophecy yet.
cunning urchin
Kinetic Launcher is a charge special, so it wouldn't really work with Talos.
formal fjord
Any fun builds to try? Just beat the game for like the fifth time and I am getting the hang of it, wanna try something broken lol
clear dome
beowulf + dio cast
formal fjord
Beowulf?
clear dome
shield aspect, with enough cast buffs you can basically delete the healthbar of all bosses
formal fjord
alrighty, I take it it is the last shield aspect
formal fjord
no have only just gotten guan yu, which was my first fourth aspect
clear dome
maybe try using chiron with demeter and arctic blast, or guan yu
formal fjord
guan yu broken?
clear dome
charge attack, tho charged special (daedalus) builds are popular
clear dome
normal: artemis, athena, demeter, dionysius,
special: artemis, aphrodite, ares, zeus
ofc chaos and hermes are mandatory
neon bramble
Dio cast is one of the worst casts for Beowulf
clear dome
are you sure?
empty robin
Dio cast with Stygian Soul is not bad imo
clear dome
it has the highest damage output, with zeus duo its quite good
not on normal but on Beo
neon bramble
My opinion. I dislike Dio cast immensely
You can't pick it back up immediately
You have to wait
clear dome
i see, but like, the damage of a level 5 full flare dio cast is over 1200
neon bramble
Which you cannot spam
clear dome
and why would you want to pick it up immediately? the zeus duo makes it useful to leave it there
empty robin
Have you ever used Stygian Soul?
empty robin
I'm not asking you Shrewmouse
neon bramble
Enemies don't stay in one place. Scintillating Feast isn't that great unless you spread fog in a wider area
empty robin
With Chaos's grasps and Artemis's legendary plus the item from well of Charon that gives more bloodstones, Stygian Soul is way better than Infernal Soul and pairs well with Dio's cast
clear dome
scintillating feast can be used with the high kb of shield, its easy to knock enemies into the mist
empty robin
But you have to be lucky to get extra casts
empty robin
You're not listening to my point
clear dome
the flare doesnt trigger arctic blasts a whole lot tho, each flare only give 1 chill
neon bramble
As soon as you said Artemis legendary, I tuned out because it is impossible to get
empty robin
Which is why I'm gonna present you with this
neon bramble
Ummmm
@clear dome look at snow burst
And then look at my cast stones
Every single time I cast, I got arctic blast
empty robin
Wait how do you upload picture in this channel
clear dome
uhhh, links
empty robin
This is what Stygian Soul is capable of
Now imagine this kind of infinite cast with Beowulf and Trippy Shot
empty robin
To be honest I haven't tried it with Beowulf yet
So maybe it's not as good as I thought
clear dome
it is good, just that inf soul is not possible
empty robin
But still, the fact that you don't have to wait for Trippy Shot is amazing on it's own
clear dome
yes, thats true
empty robin
@clear dome How's your entrance exams going?
neon bramble
That infinte cast is a bug, fyi
clear dome
well, finished CNN, on to CSP and CS
empty robin
Good luck
neon bramble
Exploit it while you can
empty robin
It's not tho
neon bramble
It is
clear dome
it is
empty robin
I don't think so because this was in Nighty Night
neon bramble
It is not how Stygian soul is intended to work
empty robin
With Dual Shot and all of the stuffs I listed above
neon bramble
It's a bug with the interaction of loading casts
empty robin
What if I can replicate a similar run right now
clear dome
try, but it prolly wont happen
empty robin
Now that I've finished the weekly challenge I've got nothing to do
neon bramble
Just because you can replicate a bug, doesn't mean it's not a bug
neon bramble
So, as I said, exploit it
Because Stygian soul is not intended to Regen casts while casts are loaded into a weapon
empty robin
I have enough casts to lodge so I lodge them
clear dome
usually, when you load a soul, the stygian doesnt regenerate
neon bramble
That's the only way to get that many casts
neon bramble
Look at the number of cast stones
clear dome
lemme count, 1 chaos boon = 1 soul, so assuming he got 4 chaos and 1 artemis he would have 8 souls, still not as much as the one above
empty robin
Dual Shot also counts
neon bramble
No, it doesn't
empty robin
It does
clear dome
lit is not, when you use stygian the soul locks but dislodging have no effect
clear dome
so it is possible to do the one screen above, but it have no effect on gameplay
empty robin
Maybe it doesn't
clear dome
beo doesnt yea, but thats prolly hera or normal cast
empty robin
I was just saying that
With that much casts
And the fact that you don't have to wait for Trippy Shot to expire
clear dome
stacking cast does nothing to increase the burning blood effect
empty robin
Is enough for Stygian Soul to be viable
neon bramble
No idea why on earth you would take Stygian soul with Beowulf
clear dome
well, the only thing is that you dont have to wait for trippy shot, all other points are moot
empty robin
Trippy Shot will always be good with Stygian Soul
neon bramble
To each their own
empty robin
I guess so
Let's talk about other stuffs
Some people say that Guan Yu is not viable with high heat, what's your opinion?
empty robin
You're right
cunning urchin
Guan Yu already cleared 44 heat. So they're just wrong lol.
clear dome
wot who why how when kgdfghjkkjhg
empty robin
Yeah I'm curious too
cunning urchin
In Nighty Night. The base damage nerf to Special hurts, but it's not gonna make it impossible.
clear dome
its more balanced this way
cunning urchin
That 44 clear was definitely not its limit, either. Just takes more people pushing it high.
empty robin
I disagree, the idea of Guan Yu is of the glass cannon play style. If you're already squishy than why would the damage be equal to other weapons.
Not to mention the fact that Charged Skewer has a lower base damage increase than Charged Throw
cunning urchin
Should probably move that to #h1-high-heat-strategies, though.
empty robin
Oh yeah I forgot
cunning urchin
@regal glade Greater Reflex for Malphon, so you can i-frame more reliably and get more Dash-Strikes. Stacking Dodge or Damage Reduction has decreasing returns, so you don't need to bother with that. The base Dodge chance from Zag Aspect is actually perfectly fine.
Lightning Strike, Curse of Agony, and Divine Strike are pretty much the top picks for Malphon.
If you use TD2, avoid pacts that make the biomes longer.
So no JS, CP, etc.
Or pick those pacts and avoid TD2.
At least until you reach a heat so high where you need to take both.
opal glade
dry ember
It tickles me that a lot of people make feedbacks on various weapon playstyles don't utilize the weapon's entire kit (GY spear, fists, Lucy, etc), and yet no one mentions how with Nemesis or even Zag sword you have one style: dash strike goes brrrrrrr; or that with Zag Bow you can unbind special and nothing would change. Β―_(γ)_/Β―
cunning urchin
Ah yes, the feeling of illusory superiority.
clear dome
zag sword you have the choice of dash strike or rapid slash
and i play zag bow special
dry ember
You do?
cunning urchin
Special spam is perfectly viable with Stygius.
clear dome
and also nova on zag sowrd is not that bad
dry ember
I want to learn more about the zag bow special
clear dome
well, never won with zag special, but i certainly do try to play that way
cunning urchin
dry ember
clear dome
what does that emote signify?
dry ember
Idk, everything
cunning urchin
That cracked me up.
dry ember
It's so ambiguous you can interpret it as anything
cunning urchin
is 42.
dry ember
clear dome
zag special you should go for piercing special and zeus/aphrodite and just get up close and spam
cunning urchin
Has that worked for you?
empty robin
I did it once
dry ember
But then how do you utilize the crit chance of attack
empty robin
Charged Volley is real good
dry ember
I'm not saying you physically can't do it
cunning urchin
No, dad and Hades are the same. Dad is not after Hades.
clear dome
wait it is? i should try it more
empty robin
Especially with Battle Rage
cunning urchin
I read Beetle Rage.
empty robin
lmao
empty robin
Honestly anything with Charged in it is good
empty robin
You kidding me? +300% base damage
cunning urchin
Is this why Flying Upper wasn't called Charged Upper?
dry ember
Anyhow, my original point is that it's ok you don't need to utilize a weapon's entire kit to win
cunning urchin
I actually haven't tried Flying Upper in this version yet.
clear dome
funni joke
empty robin
I thought it would be good with Demeter but nope
dry ember
Some recent feedbaks suggest that you should use the entire kit
And my asnwer is no you don't
clear dome
dont need to tho
random hull
Use everything at your disposal! Mash all the buttons! Heck, drop your face unto the keyboard and let nature run its course!
dry ember
I mean sure, I "use" the full kit every game
dry ember
But the times I use Hades special to snipe the enemy far away off once doesn't really count
Yeah because it's so obscure bruh
Here is some 𧻠to wipe your tears
cunning urchin
There is nothing obscure about Knight Rider.
dry ember
Sorry I don't have tissue emote
cunning urchin
Smh.
dry ember
Smh my head
random hull
I know about K.I.T.T. and David Hasselhoff. Only from pictures though.
neon bramble
Flying upper is terrible
Better off going rush kick, where you don't need to charge up at all
And rush kick has issues to begin with, with excessive hitstop
The only time I have used flying upper is with Demeter aspect, and it only works if you know how to aim the end point properly, so that you get all 5 hits consistently across its path with the giga cutter
I know about K.I.T.T. and David Hasselhoff. Only from pictures though.
Blasphemy
Knight Rider is the original fast & furious
random hull
When did that series air?
The late 80s? Perhaps I would have enjoyed if I had been born already.
neon bramble
82-86, then had a reboot-ish series in 2008
Which didn't succeed
Because it should have been called Voltron π€
clear dome
friend, of course we wouldnt know a series that old, its so old it makes my teacher seems young
dry ember
@atomic jacinth here is a guide Nyaa wrote (so not mine, obviously), maybe it help?
I wrote down a bunch of tips for the fight here. See if that helps any. Hades has three attacks for most of the fight: a thrust, the skull throw, and a spin-attack. If you have at least two dashes, you can i-frame the thrust and the skull throw easily by dashing to the side or through him when you see him start up any attack at all, and if you see while you dash that it's a spin-attack, you can do a second dash to get out of range or ideally time the second dash to i-frame it. If you dash backwards, though, the thrust and the skull throw will hit you.
During his first life, he'll often go invincible and do any of those three attacks immediately when he comes out of invinciblity. Watch his footsteps in the snow, and evade the attacks just like before and immediately when you see him come out of invinciblity.
After he does the spin-attack, he'll always take some time to recover before doing another action. You can go in and do some heavy damage in that time.
In addition to dashes, you can use your lesser calls to i-frame his attacks similarly. All calls give you invulnerability for a moment immediately upon activation. Greater Calls work, too, but you'll get to use the invulnerability only 1 time instead of 4 times, so I usually avoid getting a Greater Call in the fight.
gusty elm
@stiff stone i'm not sure if this is configurable or different with a controller, but i have to hold down attack to charge up my spin attack, which is clearly incompatible with flurry jab's different behavior for holding down attack
stiff stone
Ah right..
gusty elm
funny how you're getting upvotes anyway
stiff stone
It's because there's no good melee hammers for the spear besides serrated point
gusty elm
yeah, i guess that's true
dry ember
Without Serrated Point I am nothing
stiff stone
Yea.. and losing that 150% bonus just to add Flurry Jab to the hammer pool isn't worth it
turbid needle
Flurry Jab can be good.
Achilles getting 4 charges is nice for it, but you still get more out of Casts or spins.
random hull
What do you guys think about Triple Jab? It's good on paper, but landing more than one hit at once is a different story.
turbid needle
Landing multi-hits on it was super busted, it's still good at applying status to enemies.
random hull
I couldn't nail the aiming when I got it, moreso because each attack has a different hitbox. But maybe I just was too tired.
atomic jacinth
I have to choose between Ferocious Guard (+20% damage and speed for 10s after blocking), Sudden Rush (faster shield rush charge), and Pulverizing Blow (double attack). I already have Breaching Rush (+400% shield rush damage against armor). My boons rn are Rare Divine Strike with deflection, Tidal Dash (pushes enemies away and does damage), and Artemis' Aid (call which shoots a seeking arrow which does a lot of damage with crit chance), I have rare chaos +47% attack boon, +90% damage with backstabs, blinding flash (which makes enemies take more backstab damage when hit with an attack which can deflect), extra damage against bosses from knock-back damage, and +21% attack speed.
Any help?
dry ember
Sudden Rush
main osprey
Sudden rush is basically always good
atomic jacinth
Okay cool
dry ember
Ferocious is nice, too
main osprey
Sometimes other things are better, but you can't really go wrong with Sudden
dry ember
Don't go Pulverizing Blow
livid dew
what happens when you use beowulf shield with cast like demeter or ares?
turbid needle
Demeter throws out chilling blasts, Ares throws out giant blade rifts that hit 3 or 4 times, I think.
unkempt pagoda
all the casts are changed to alternate versions
livid dew
ooh imma try demeter than a chill blast sounds dope
main osprey
I don't think Ares' Beowulf cast is blades
unkempt pagoda
demeter is an aoe chill, ares is a giant slow blade rift
main osprey
Oh, nvm
random hull
Huh. I would have answered pulverizing blow, because the lack of knockback is mitigated by Tidal Dash and there are already so many damage buffs piled on Attack that the Ferocious Guard buff doesn't influence Attacks much. With that build, I would play everything on the attack card.
Moreso, since there is also Exposed built in, bull rush behind the opponent and then just wail onto their backs. The pulverizing blow actually keeps them in position for more backstabs.
livid dew
getting any chaos boon that increases attack will buff the power of the dragonrush right?
turbid needle
I prefer Pulverizing Blow because it removes Aegis's base knockback.
languid flume
it boosts the power of the bull rush itself but not of the cast part of it
turbid needle
By chaining PB Attacks into single Dash-Strikes over and over you get super easy any-build DPS.
turbid needle
The change to Zag Aspect just made it even crazier.
turbid needle
Anyone know if swift strike decreases bull rush charge time?
think it does?
No.
no??
But you do begin charging a little earlier.
lol
Less overall time from clicking Attack the first time.
so thats why it feels faster
Ah that makes sense
atomic jacinth
Hello guys which aspect is best for shield?
main osprey
Yup
atomic jacinth
Shnitzle I'm not sure which one to get
atomic jacinth
I'll search up the Zagreus Aspect percentage scaling to see if it's worth it
5-6-7-8-10
Bruh...
Kinda trash
atomic jacinth
Shield
turbid needle
Zag Shield is kinda terrifying.
atomic jacinth
The percentage per upgrade isn't good though
Chaos adds 5 at max
I don't use my special much though...
I'm still not sure wtf is wrong with me
I'll go Zag sorry for the trouble
atomic jacinth
Oop turns out the scaling info online was wrong
main osprey
If you get into a run and don't like it
atomic jacinth
Outdated
main osprey
Just hit give up
It'll revert to before you got to weapon, as long as you didn't leave the courtyard
atomic jacinth
I'm not doing a run right now too late. Thanks for the info though.
main osprey
o7
livid dew
is there a weapon that is decent for an ares build like a lot of doom/rift effects?
main osprey
Rail 4th, doom special is good
gilded knoll
Fist and duo athena dash, fun times
random hull
Using rifts on the other hand is good with Poseidon sword or Achilles spear. Try getting Hunting Blades, Mirage Shot, or better yet, both.
With Ares, either go Doom or go Rift. Don't try both, they don't synergize
turbid needle
chaos shield is my go to doom spread
livid dew
i was just wondering cause i had a fun beowulf run at 6 heat where i had ares call and his legendary and pretty much destroyed hades when i did a full call
i feel like rama doom special is a nice way to go doom spread as well
what are some fun beowulf builds my fellas, im trying to get my shield up to 16 heat with my other weapons. i did an aphro cast run and a demeter cast run just now. need more fun ideas
gilded knoll
We can't split anything at this rate π¦
unkempt pagoda
i thought it could've been a bug but then the game crashed when i pressed f10 lol
main osprey
Probably was already in the process of crashing?
unkempt pagoda
either a bug or sword's hitbox got really skinny in a recent patch
livid dew
whats a decent god to use with the hades or guan yu spear
tepid ridge
Artemis probably
unkempt pagoda
athena probably
lament coral
avoid the paddle, he always does two swings with some amount of tracking
he telegraphs the attack well. His purple stuff cannot be deflected but it can be blocked with a shield
random hull
I found out that Arthur works great against him. The Aura makes handling the ghosts easier, and he moves so sluggishly that you can easily line up the big hits.
lament coral
he's absolute hell with FO, and trying him with Guan Yu is practically suicidal, at least in the first couple biomes
with 2 phases he'll also break your DoT and debuff stacks
main osprey
I've beaten him with GY once, but I also had an epic Poseidon call which carried me
(in Tartarus)
lament coral
also, the 4 pillars cause his own purple wave to bounce, so watch out if you're in the middle
I ran into him in Tartarus once with GY, all I had was a special boon. I got creamed in less than 2 minutes, from 3 DDs to dead.
main osprey
I had ~25 health, so all of his stuff one-shot me
lament coral
that was with FO though, and my first run in with Charon
lament coral
haven't lost a single fight against him since
though I haven't run into him with GY since either
grim loom
do lambent plume / pierced butterfly still apply any gained bonuses after switching them out?
lament coral
no
grim loom
augh
lament coral
yep
grim loom
how come only two of the companions are usable in the final fight
unkempt pagoda
the same reason why employees don't randomly punch their boss
main osprey
Because it makes narrative sense :/
gilded knoll
but we are using keepsakes, shouldn't good 'ol Redacted catch whiff of scheming?
main osprey
Subtle aid =/= direct impact on a fight
dry ember
I head canon it as a behind his back kinda thing
I mean Than keeps raving about how he will lose his job
tired elk
Dionysus or Ares for Chaos aspect Shield
For the Special lol
gilded knoll
I like Dio because of upgrades
grim loom
ares doesnt do near as much since it doesnt stack on the same taret, imo
between dio and ares id absolutely go dio
gilded knoll
Brr FO2 is terrifying
tired elk
Is calculated risk even that good vs Hades?
grim loom
i try to but theres just too much stunlocking
forest marsh
Calculated risk is the bonus damage at high health, right?
Or no, that's High Confidence
tired elk
40% slower ranged attacks
dry ember
Brr FO2 is terrifying
@gilded knoll one of us, one of us
forest marsh
I can do FO2 but not with BP
Chariots with the Speeder benefit are bad enough, nevermind with an additional 40% speed
dry ember
Well no one can deal with Speeder Chariots on FO2
tired elk
I just got 2 duo's in a row lol
dry ember
F10 that
forest marsh
Even Numbskulls get bad with Speeder/FO
tired elk
What does F10 do?
dry ember
You can F10 BP room combinations that seems unfair
forest marsh
Bug report is 
dry ember
F10 is for bug report
Recently a dev said you can also F10 rooms with unfair BP combinations for evaluation
Of course do not abuse that
dry ember
Alt tab maybe?
tired elk
I alt tabbed to This screen
tired elk
ah true @forest marsh
dry ember
What screen xD
cosmic jacinth
what is the best build for the aspect of zagrious because i really like dash attack
tired elk
Should I go for 3?
dry ember
Uh
forest marsh
It'll be a second "Hades" window on the taskbar
tired elk
Wait when did they put in God Mode....
forest marsh
Long time ago
cosmic jacinth
XD lol i thought i put spear in
forest marsh
I don't remember the exact update, but God Mode has been around as long as Hell Mode has
Maybe... January?
gilded knoll
I'm using it don't worry, trying to adjust
dry ember
So take it with a grain of salt
tired elk
forest marsh
I don't use Zag Spear either so... yeah
tired elk
Do I try for it?
cosmic jacinth
im not using god mode at all and iv gotten to the boss
forest marsh
Not sure what you mean, Kilani
tired elk
Do I go for a third Duo in a row
tired elk
She doesn't have many good ones I see though :c
forest marsh
Not sure about consecutive ones though
cosmic jacinth
what is the strongest hammer upgrade for the spear
forest marsh
Loaded question, ducky
It depends on your playstyle
There isn't really a right answer
What build are you going for?
cosmic jacinth
well i ones i like are the tripple hit on dash and explode special i hate the tripple jab
forest marsh
What's your current build might be more appropriate
cosmic jacinth
im not in the game at the moment
forest marsh
Oh, so just theoretical?
cosmic jacinth
because hades hates me going to another window
cosmic jacinth
do u like the bomb special one i forget the name
forest marsh
Quick Spin + Massive Spin is good if you're going for Spin-to-Win
Exploding Launcher?
cosmic jacinth
also hermes keepsake is good right
cosmic jacinth
the quickly clear a room and gain 1-1.2 chance to dodge
dry ember
what is the strongest hammer upgrade for the spear
On Hades Spear, Serrated Point, almost hands down
Explosion Skewer can also work
forest marsh
Ugh, the dash penalty though
dry ember
But nothing beats Serrated Point imo
cosmic jacinth
20 percent?
forest marsh
It might not seem like much but it adds up
cosmic jacinth
i dont mind it partly because of the tripple hit
dry ember
Do yoy want to see me obliterate almost 30k HP in one minute?
forest marsh
Dash penalty with Vortex is rough
dry ember
With Serrated Point Hades Spear?
spark mulch
I think I saw someone ask if Doom or Hangover deals more damage with chaos shield and they responded hangover
forest marsh
If you aren't running BP then Serrated Point is fine, yes
spark mulch
Im pretty certain this isnt true
dry ember
It's a toss up imo
cosmic jacinth
what god has the highest possible attack buff
cosmic jacinth
id say that over time it is hang over
just because it can go up to like 20 or 30 dmg a half second
over like 4 or 3 seconds
what about duo boons what are the good ones
spark mulch
thats at max hangover
which isnt easy to spread around quickly
doom has its own buffs as well
forest marsh
I really feel like you're asking the wrong questions or just too broad. So much depends on your build and how you like to play. It's hard to say what the best of anything is
spark mulch
its really not even close for me, Im about to lose a run to time with 3 death defiances
last run I did with one heat less with the same build I cleared with extra time each time
cosmic jacinth
i mean like just with the four dmg hanger a hit it isnt that bad
spark mulch
yeah I agree wightfyre but someone asked for Chaos special
the timing of doom activation works way better with the bull rush + special timing
forest marsh
I was referring to duckyboi, should have specified
forest marsh
Oh no! That's the dream 
cosmic jacinth
whats that?
forest marsh
Every offered boon becomes Epic
cosmic jacinth
dio and poi
dry ember
Pos
cosmic jacinth
XD oops
forest marsh
Dio and Poseidon have some pretty strong boons... Good to build into if you like them
fossil furnace
I'm using Stygian Soul, is it still possible to pick up Fully Loaded? https://hades.gamepedia.com/Artemis#Boons
forest marsh
Yes
fossil furnace
Nice cool!
forest marsh
Getting 3+ total casts with Stygian is a dream
They just never run out
Well, 3 might have a bit of a pause. 4 is great though
So Grasp from Chaos and Fully Loaded is fun
Especially if it's Trippy Shot
Or Curse of Drowning
cosmic jacinth
help
forest marsh
?
forest marsh
If you're trying to post an image, you need to upload it and post a link
cosmic jacinth
XD
forest marsh
No direct image uploads
cosmic jacinth
forest marsh
What weapon/aspect?
cosmic jacinth
zag spear serrated
forest marsh
Strike for sure
cosmic jacinth
also im in tartarus
forest marsh
I stand by my answer
cosmic jacinth
XD not the fifteen dmg reduction?
forest marsh
Weak will compensate for that
forest marsh
DR is a last resort in my opinion. As Hypnos would say, "Have you tried not getting hit?" 
cosmic jacinth
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/719976947190464594/731323592171716638/unknown.png why cant we slap him ?
dry ember
Pressure Points
forest marsh
Pressure Points
cosmic jacinth
is it me or do any of u guys want to slap him at one point?
forest marsh
Hypnos?
cosmic jacinth
yeah
forest marsh
Nah, he's a troll but he means well
dry ember
You are mean
cosmic jacinth
XD i mean like when he roasts u XD
dry ember
I'll glue you to a tree silly duck
forest marsh
For real though, the writing on max Hypnos affinity is great. Invest in it
cosmic jacinth
okaaay
dry ember
π³ π¦
forest marsh
Empty Inside
cosmic jacinth
is it rly good?
forest marsh
Unless you really want to build into the cast, but you need to commit to the short range
cosmic jacinth
k
forest marsh
+10 seconds of universal DR is worth it, especially if you build into Weak duos
10 seconds in Hades is forever
I think Empty Inside is also a prereq for the legendary?
I'll have to check that to be sure though
Yeah, it is
And the Aphro legendary is great
cosmic jacinth
i find the murderer furry is halarious
forest marsh
They both have some really good progression
cosmic jacinth
the stupied one?
forest marsh
Keep encountering 
and you'll see
cosmic jacinth
she just says murderer
forest marsh
You'll seeeee
dry ember
tisiphone mmmmmurderer
zagreus can you say literally anything else
tisiphone .......yes
zagreus WHAT
tisiphone and nobody will ever believe you.
forest marsh
Eh, no particular preference on that one, ducky
If you can do close-range cast, go for Crush Shot
dry ember
Wave of Despair
forest marsh
Otherwise whatever floats your boat
cosmic jacinth
wait does she actually talk after that alot?
dry ember
So you can sell stuff
forest marsh
Satisfy Greg Supergiant by experiencing the writing for yourself π
dry ember
Show boon menu please
forest marsh
Tough call... personally I'd go Aphro
for chance of Legendary
Hermes is always good too though
cosmic jacinth
dry ember
Yeah Aphro
cosmic jacinth
i want more dashes
dry ember
For that Legendary
cosmic jacinth
but okay
dry ember
Hermes might show up again
forest marsh
When it comes down to it, it's your play through
dry ember
At least he has a higher chance of showing up again
forest marsh
If your inclination is Hermes for dash chances, then do Hermes
There is no right answer
cosmic jacinth
main osprey
oh yeah
Just bought a fishing lure and a yard just before going into a chaos gate
forest marsh
Nice!
cosmic jacinth
noice
forest marsh
For Ducky, this one is all preference
cosmic jacinth
what is the use of tripple jab?
forest marsh
After the Chaos changes, I manage to finally get more Chaos fishing spots... but they have all been Projellies on Perfect Catches 
(Projelly is the only fish I had caught pre-change)
More attack spread, ducky
If you don't like it, choose Flurry
It's all preference
cosmic jacinth
i hate it
cosmic jacinth
okay so it is trash\
main osprey
I've taken it a few times
forest marsh
I wouldn't say it's trash
main osprey
it gives you a faster basic attack
forest marsh
I've taken it a few times and never regretted it
cosmic jacinth
so furry?
forest marsh
There will always be another run. Take what you want, or try something you haven't!
forest marsh
Yupppp
main osprey
perfectly dodged a Tiss stun
forest marsh
Fun to trigger companion right when Hades is about to smack you
Aphro benefits well from poms, but you can try to build into a duo with Athena too
cosmic jacinth
ima take athena
main osprey
oh my lord, the death barge is so much easier without MM
pallid veldt
Jus curious is there like a good build for the zagreus sword aspect? It seems bad but I'm curious if there's a build that makes it fun or good
dry ember
Erm just the usual stuff would do
So Double Edge Hunter Dash Deadly Strike
Or Heartbreak Strike if you are into that stuff
cosmic jacinth
how to beat the minotuar and thea
forest marsh
My personal method is to mostly ignore 
until 
is dead, but take every backstab shot available on when it presents istelf
foggy sparrow
i take out the bull first and not worry about the other guy
you said it first
because if you focus the warrior at half health he calls on the gods and with the bull its chaos
forest marsh
And be hyper aware of Theseus' spear attack. Listen for the windup and look for the targeting reticle on Zag
foggy sparrow
yeah
forest marsh
When it gets near executing, just be prepared to dodge
Or find cover
Theseus doesn't move around much so is easy to manage
Truth be told, most fights I end up taking them both out around the same time (often within seconds of each other)
But I still try to focus on Asterius and just take pot shots at Theseus when the opportunity arises
foggy sparrow
yeah same
gilded knoll
I feel I am using Rama wrong by just special spamming.
unkempt pagoda
if it works it's not wrong
gilded knoll
I guess, just doesn't seem intended 
cosmic jacinth
i died again
foggy sparrow
i love the orange shade i always go and see him its so wholesome
cosmic jacinth
wight is back stab bonus important against him?
forest marsh
It certainly helps since most of your hits against Theseus will be backstab
But it isn't a make-or-break condition
@foggy sparrow Yes! I always make sure to greet the shade after the Theseus fight
forest marsh
I think it's actually red, but yeah
Look in the top left corner of the Theseus arena
cosmic jacinth
why do i go see him?
forest marsh
If you win the Theseus fight, just walk past the shade, you'll see
unkempt pagoda
you get neat lines
forest marsh
You may notice that they have a little Zagreus pennant below them, too
foggy sparrow
i wonder who the shade is, some people have theories of it being hades but im not sure, maybe just a random shade
forest marsh
Yeah, I would say just a random shade
foggy sparrow
or his mom?
cosmic jacinth
why am i having trouble finding chaos gates when i have its egg
forest marsh
I do wish using 
guaranteed a Chaos gate, but alas
main osprey
way to flex on us
cosmic jacinth
i mean it feels like im finding them less