h1-builds-and-combat

[acoustic venture]

so no point in going above your pact heat besides further challenge

[rare kayak]

but yeah i keep curving everywhere with pos call

[hybrid galleon]

OCEAN MAN

[cunning urchin]

Maybe it's just the timing of my calls because I either i-frame his spin with it (so he's completely open to attacks) or use a Greater Call to completely skip his second phase immediately.

[rare kayak]

its got good damage when i can curve it though

[void fjord]

oh so keep on running 20 heat till u reach 20 lvl bounties

[rare kayak]

i just triangle dash theseus second phase

[cunning urchin]

The aiming is really easy on pad. No idea about KBM.

[rare kayak]

yeah i can see how its easy on pad

[acoustic venture]

oh yeah I play with dpad

[rare kayak]

kbm is a bit more limited with directions

[acoustic venture]

not joystick

[void fjord]

mouse and kpad for me

[rare kayak]

but yeah i just dash in a triangle for theseus call

[void fjord]

i feel like aiming is real ez

[acoustic venture]

i just do back and forth

[rare kayak]

usually get him down to nearly dead by the time the initial aimphase of his call ends

i would do back and forth but im a coward

[acoustic venture]

says while on 20 heat pact 5

[rare kayak]

triangle gives me a bit of breathing room

[void fjord]

its the easiest to kill theseus during his call phase

[rare kayak]

i mean ive been running em nonstop since i got the pact so

heh

[hybrid galleon]

@void fjord i challenge you

[void fjord]

to?

[hybrid galleon]

to delete theseus instead of aesterius first

EM

[rare kayak]

deadass forgot how to dodge his spear

ive done that actually

[void fjord]

done it before

[cunning urchin]

I just walk in a small semicircle and keep dash-striking him or skip with my own call or summon.

[rare kayak]

cold fusion run

the jolted did too much damage to himm

[hybrid galleon]

lol

[rare kayak]

and he went phase 2 before asterius

[cunning urchin]

It's free damage when he goes into his second phase because he's completely open.

[hybrid galleon]

^

[rare kayak]

i still won because the run was strong but

[acoustic venture]

oh my god does jolt activate every call strike

[hybrid galleon]

I could delete him while hes praying his ass

[rare kayak]

nope

it does activate on every attack from a blue skeleton though

[acoustic venture]

i was gonna say thats b u s t e d

[rare kayak]

watched one die while i was too far away to reach before than killed him

[cunning urchin]

I also make sure every dash-strike is a backstab for extra damage.

[rare kayak]

very funny

[acoustic venture]

i still need to hit EM2, but ive seen machine gun chariot theseus

[rare kayak]

i never really know how to play around backstabs

[hybrid galleon]

EM2 is just torture

[void fjord]

whats EM

[hybrid galleon]

my personal torture

[rare kayak]

em2 is fun

[acoustic venture]

Extreme Measures

[hybrid galleon]

Extreme Memesure

[void fjord]

oh

[acoustic venture]

extra boss mechanics

[void fjord]

i do EM 3 all the way

[cunning urchin]

@rare kayak what do you mean?

[void fjord]

started with that actually

[rare kayak]

cant see the back

i just attack and hope i get it

[hybrid galleon]

tfw everytime you dash in EM2

[rare kayak]

dash through attack and pray

[hybrid galleon]

you jsut go into magma

[rare kayak]

just learn to space dashes

[acoustic venture]

i just spam dash and attack at the same time

[cunning urchin]

Just, like, walk around them and backstab.

[hybrid galleon]

i tried but i just get damaged

[rare kayak]

yeah thats what i do

[hybrid galleon]

AND I WANT THAT BUTTERFLY

[rare kayak]

im just never sure if thats a backstab or not

[void fjord]

u have to time ur speed + space bw platforms for lernie EM fight

[acoustic venture]

like im tryna do a grab input input lol

[hybrid galleon]

I WANT THAT BUTTERFLY

[cunning urchin]

Every enemy has some attack or other move that leaves them with a lot of recovery where they're free to attacks.

[hybrid galleon]

yeah which is why because i really enjoy space spam

[rare kayak]

lernie em is really fun because you can use the top right platform to lure the heads and kill like four of them at once

[hybrid galleon]

gets me out a lot of things

[cunning urchin]

Except maybe Inferno-Bombers etc. in Asphodel.

[rare kayak]

man i swear like

[cunning urchin]

And Flamewheels.

[rare kayak]

i take half the damage in my run from bombers in asphodel

[hybrid galleon]

Flamewheels are not as big of a problem

[rare kayak]

forget to dash away from death bomb

every time

[hybrid galleon]

thats just my 3 cents

[cunning urchin]

And those attacks are usually very telegraphed.

[acoustic venture]

I HATE FLAMEWHEELS

[rare kayak]

just dash through a flowerpot

[hybrid galleon]

i personally think the greatshields are

[cunning urchin]

So you can get behind them when they do that, then backstab when they recover.

[hybrid galleon]

^

[void fjord]

worst enemy handsdown for me shield guys in elyisum

[hybrid galleon]

its not they are tough

[cunning urchin]

Basically just think of every enemy as Greatshields lol.

[hybrid galleon]

its more like they are just there to annoy you and nothing else

[cunning urchin]

That's how you get consistent backstabs.

[acoustic venture]

Shields, chariots, and flamewheels are the worst for me

[rare kayak]

i just kinda hit them in the direction which they didnt attack from

and hope thats a backstab

[acoustic venture]

I just take like 2 DD's in Elysium

[rare kayak]

usually is, if im reading right

[hybrid galleon]

i take backstab for 1 reason

[rare kayak]

i generally dont lose dd

[hybrid galleon]

greatshield

same

[rare kayak]

except maybe one on theseus

[hybrid galleon]

unless i have 1 hp

[rare kayak]

depending on how much i mistime asterius

[acoustic venture]

I always mistime Theseus' throw

[rare kayak]

then go em3

[hybrid galleon]

i must say EM Moo boy can sometimes get confusing

[rare kayak]

dont have to deal with theseus throw if hes in em3

omega brain

[cunning urchin]

I would say the more experienced I get, the more I take my time to (1) look for telegraphed attacks that I need to dodge and (2) aim my attacks.

[hybrid galleon]

you still gotta deal with his 60 damage nook tho

which is worse than spear imHO

[rare kayak]

but its not the throw

[acoustic venture]

I can dodge the spin

easy

[rare kayak]

so he can time it

👍

[hybrid galleon]

you literally have a pointer on you

[acoustic venture]

:c

[hybrid galleon]

how can you not time it

LOL

[acoustic venture]

okie bot

[cunning urchin]

The better you are at evading your enemy attacks, the more they will leave themselves open for you carefully aim your attacks and get some free hits in—and hopefully stunlock them if they don't have armor.

[acoustic venture]

I just hate that throw

[rare kayak]

i sometimes lose a dd in lernie if theyre the lava head variant since i turned the trap heat on

[hybrid galleon]

pay attention when theseus is about to throw you, theres the pink indicator

[barren otter]

when hunting for specific t2 or t3 boons, it's important to fill your core slots because those get priority when boons are offered (except Call, but you should fill that one anyway to drastically reduce the odds of being offered that).
Thanks. Will keep that in mind.

[rare kayak]

its tru nyaanyaa

[hybrid galleon]

also, hide behind the pillars, lure cow to the pillar to fight you

[rare kayak]

honestly i cant dodge theseus throw anymore

turned off em to do the remaining pact for the flomp

[hybrid galleon]

that way its super easy to fight asterius

[rare kayak]

and i took so much damage

[cunning urchin]

I also keep count of how many attacks, dash-strikes, or specials I need to kill the different types of enemies in a region.

[acoustic venture]

I always mistime off of the pink indicator though, like I always go too early somehow

[rare kayak]

because im so used to his chariot

oh wow really

thats more effort than i go to

[hybrid galleon]

@acoustic venture it will also turn red when it is close

[weak rivet]

I still misstime it sometimes

[rare kayak]

i just kinda hit them until they die

[cunning urchin]

If I attack 3 times, but the enemy is dead after 2 attacks, I whiff 1 and leave myself open completely unnecessarily.

[rare kayak]

oh truee

thats smart

[hybrid galleon]

i think nya is playing a differnet game than us

[rare kayak]

i look at the hp bar and time it

[hybrid galleon]

or you can just dash cancel

[rare kayak]

if im playing a doom run i generally go off of instinct on whens a good time to disengage

though

[cunning urchin]

If I know 2 attacks kill, I can aim my third attack at a new enemy or look out for attacks to evade.

[rare kayak]

yeah thats smarter than what i do

dont have the brain to think of that though

i usually spend my brain power on the projectiles around me

speaking of projectiles its really crazy how the witch circle fight has two difficulties depending on whether you got athena on your run

athena dash breaks that mini boss in half

[acoustic venture]

athena anything breaks it

like I had athena strike with fists

pffffff

[rare kayak]

its still pretty easy but

[acoustic venture]

I just walked up and punched em back into the lava

[rare kayak]

athena just does so much in that fight

[hybrid galleon]

still dash cancel is my go to if i wanna skip attacks

also really just to reposition me

[cunning urchin]

I also don't waste all my dashes for one attack combo unless I know that I'm safe after that because there's (1) no other enemy nearby that can attack me before I recover and (2) I can stunlock or kill them off safely.

[hybrid galleon]

i dont really count damage or if i did, i did it subconciously

[rare kayak]

nyaa also runs like omega high heat though

so taking the time to optimise actions like that is important

[cunning urchin]

Well, I still do a lot of mistakes doing that and get hit a lot. But it's basically necessary in order to get anywhere on high heat with any consistency.

[hybrid galleon]

how high heat have you been

50?

[rare kayak]

i know ive certainly made mistakes that i wouldnt have if i did something like that

she’s done 41 with fists

i think

[hybrid galleon]

woh

[cunning urchin]

I've done 41 with Malphon, which was WR at the time. Not anymore.

[hybrid galleon]

rip

[rare kayak]

time for 48

anyone done a full pact yet?

[cunning urchin]

But hey, it's still WR for women using Malphon! 👸🏽

[rare kayak]

i probably wouldnt watch it but

would be cool to know

[acoustic venture]

full pact seems like asking for death

[cunning urchin]

Nobody's cleared max heat lol.

[hybrid galleon]

this is a roguelike remember

[rare kayak]

i wouldnt watch it because its just hades gameplay but bad

[unkempt pagoda]

nya be the first

[hybrid galleon]

people be tryhard

[acoustic venture]

no mirror upgrades + entirely random boons + everything against you

[rare kayak]

actually nyaa my dog beat hades with 1 heat malphon so thats wr

for dogs using malphon

blindfolded using a usb steering wheel

[hybrid galleon]

watch me beat hades with cybertruck

[cunning urchin]

No, actually @dry ember holds the WR for dogs beating Hades with Malphon.

[acoustic venture]

Initial Doggo over here

[void fjord]

i left for a few minutes and i walk into pets beating hades

[rare kayak]

ah hell she got me

cerberus could probably beat hades

[acoustic venture]

is Chaos Shield really that strong?

[rare kayak]

yes

[hybrid galleon]

Yes

[cunning urchin]

But your dog holds the WR for non-yellow dogs beating Hades with Malphon?

[rare kayak]

insanely strong

i dont own a dog

[hybrid galleon]

how dare you doubt the power of the cheese wheel

I am a dog

woof

which is a lie because im a cat

[acoustic venture]

in my brain Malphon go brr

[rare kayak]

but yes chaos shield is not only very strong but also very fun

watching the extra shields bounce around is very fun

[cunning urchin]

So then, your dog holds the WR for non-existing non-yellow dogs beating Hades with WR? That's pretty sick. I'm impressed.

[rare kayak]

plus you get to have random chaos comments throughout your entire run

absolutely

[hybrid galleon]

damn

ghost dog beat hte game

ghost dog beat the game

[rare kayak]

dont forget that he was blindfolded and using a usb steering wheel

[hybrid galleon]

[rare kayak]

but yeah its also quite nice to have random chaos commentary

no other weapon offers that

[hybrid galleon]

im gonna ask my pet rock if he could participate hades

then he could be the first rock to beat hades

[nova goblet]

wish i was theseus, dying by athena's aid

[rare kayak]

their snarky comments when you use fa is pretty funny

[hybrid galleon]

*chaos is they

but ok

[rare kayak]

right

they

mb

“i expected that”

[acoustic venture]

@hybrid galleon bouldy would like to speak to you

hes totally beat Hades before

[hybrid galleon]

@acoustic venture bouldy would crush the keyboard

he couldnt participate

[rare kayak]

i would like tisiphone to say the only swear word in the game

need her to swear when bouldy kills her

[errant narwhal]

no swears allowed

[rare kayak]

):

[hybrid galleon]

aphro says swear word

[rare kayak]

i love the boss reactions to bouldy though

theyre all just

what the hell is hat

[hybrid galleon]

its yeet ball

[unkempt pagoda]

if hades characters could swear, zag and alecto would be number 1 swear worders

[hybrid galleon]

i mean

[cunning urchin]

You should keep in mind, by the way, that most of the stuff I share here as far as strategies etc. go is stuff I've more or less just discovered myself or have only really been focusing on myself very recently. So, it's not like I've been focusing this much on evasion and aiming until like last week and this week probably lol.

[hybrid galleon]

blast is technically the swear

[rare kayak]

theres also just something very visceral and satisfying about killing a boss with bouldy

blood and darkness

[hybrid galleon]

@rare kayak i wish he made the thwomp sound when he kills the boss

[rare kayak]

the boulder dropping on them and the sudden death screen is very good

10/10

havent done it to hades yet but i would like to

makes me feel like a bad dm

rock fall, everybody dies

[hybrid galleon]

also whoever mods hades

make zag default dance

[unkempt pagoda]

idea: companion lines for when they kill a boss, like how gods comment when you die in a trial

[hybrid galleon]

also stygian is now a kitchen knife

[cunning urchin]

I ask questions a lot to stay on top of every new builds, tactics, etc. that people discover—no matter if it's from new players or top players or anyone else. And I do my own research and try a lot of new builds that seem promising to test how they work out—and keep trying even when initial results are really bad.

[rare kayak]

yeah its true

youre dedicated

[dusky grove]

d-default dance zag ?

[cunning urchin]

But there are a lot of players who clear 40+ a lot more consistently than me. I've basically done that one 41 clear and that's it lol.

[rare kayak]

have you heard of my new strat though

its called dash into elysium arrow with trap heat on

take 100 damage and get bodied

[dusky grove]

noice

[rare kayak]

i do it every run and its been quite effective

i cant fathom doing 40+ regularly

it would wear on me a lot

[cunning urchin]

I've been doing that since Steam "launch".

It's super effective because I just want to see Lady Nyx and Hypnos.

[hybrid galleon]

then my strat would top megi

[cunning urchin]

Highly recommended at any heat.

[hybrid galleon]

its called run into the big blade with trap heat

that deals 160 damage on you instantly

do it again to avoid tiny vermin entirely

very effective if you find that boss frustrating

[unkempt pagoda]

i still dash into tartarus spikes ❤️

[rare kayak]

its called dash into alecto blade and forget to dash out and take 13x5 damage in tartarus

honestly i really dont find tiny vermin that bad

its really easy to separate it from the big rats due to the chamber design

[hybrid galleon]

i dont but

its a j o k e

[rare kayak]

i find the purple snakestone + big satyr combo more troublesome because its hard to focus on either one

and also because purple snakestone has like

4 million health

[hybrid galleon]

purple snakestone is easy or hard to kill

depend on your weapon

if you are using spear

good luck...

[rare kayak]

its a pain with MM on for sure

unless aphro call or legendary

then its still a pain but not for you

[hybrid galleon]

lol

[rare kayak]

some of the mm styx chambers are real bad and yet

my worst styx chamber isnt even a miniboss room

its that one room with two buzzsaw launchers next to each other and two poison traps at either end

god i hate that room

[void fjord]

that room sucks

dashing doesn't help

infact makes it worse

i pray to god i never get that room

[turbid needle]

it has poison traps?

oh wait ye

that ones real nasty

[lost phoenix]

So, real dumb question. When did Trippy Shot get changed to Trippy Flare?

[main osprey]

that's just for Beowulf ^.^

[lost phoenix]

Huh. cause it's also on Hera bow

[main osprey]

I guess they also updated it to Hera as well

[lost phoenix]

Must have.

[main osprey]

it's because the casts are loaded, they function differently

[stiff stone]

Yea, since it works the same way

[lost phoenix]

I figured, I just noticed that it was changed - haven't been on much since like January

When they put in Guan Yu

Thanks 🙂

[eternal quartz]

Alright, the new Weekly Challenge is here! Thanks to @sterile portal for the description and balancing the conditions and @unkempt geyser for overall support :)
https://www.hades-fansite.com/hades-weekly-challenges/HWC05

Conditions:

• Choose a friend to help you and equip both their Keepsake and Companion for the whole run, so:
  Achilles -> Antos -> Myrmidon Bracer
  Dusa -> Harpy Feather Duster -> Fidi
  Meg -> Skull Earring ->Battie
  Than -> Pierced Butterfly -> Mort
  Sisyphus -> Shattered Shackle -> Shady
  Skelly -> Lucky Tooth -> Rib

• You need to use ALL Summon charges during your run at any time

• Buy Night Spindle (adds Summon uses) from Well of Charon whenever possible

• Pick any weapon but it needs to have Aspect of Zagreus on

• Choose Family's Favorite from the Mirror

• Need to have at least 1 Duo Boon and 5 Boons from unique gods (including Hermes and Chaos) at the end of the run

Heat:

• Jury Summons Max (foes need help from friends as well)
• Benefits Package max (all the help, they can get)
• Middle Management Max (ALL the help)

Post the screenshot of your result in victory-boasting and ping me, please.
If you want to record a video, post it in self-promotion (also ping me ofc).

Good luck and have fun!

https://i.imgur.com/G8Rv2GS.png

[main osprey]

fun fact: you can get above 5 uses of your companion by using the spindle ^.^

[dull karma]

Question: what’s the benefit of using the Family Favorite talent vs Privileged Status? It seems to me that the extra damage output is both greater than and easier to get via Privileged Status than it would be to get the same extra damage via Family Favorite. Thoughts?

[cunning urchin]

How are you gonna apply 2 status curses with a crit build?

[dull karma]

Revenge damage and/or dash damage.

[cunning urchin]

What about a build that can 1-shot or 2-shot most enemies?

Revenge damage requires you to take damage in the first place.

And crit builds tend to run Hunter Dash for about +100% damage.

[turbid needle]

I think family fav is just harder to understand bc the description is wierd

I love priv status on some builds but family fav is generally easier to apply

[dull karma]

Yeah. I just find it easier to use priv status than I do fam fave. Probably cause I’m such a fan of dash damage and revenge damage

[cunning urchin]

Divine Dash also doesn't apply a status effect unless you happen to get Blinding Flash, which you won't necessarily get or even want if you could get e.g. Brilliant Riposte instead (which opens a path to her Legendary).

You also wouldn't be close enough a lot of the time for your Dash to trigger anything with a weapon like Hestia.

That, by the way, kills most enemies in 1 or 2 shots anyway, so it benefits a lot more from a consistent +15% or whatever damage.

[errant narwhal]

activating privileged status with revenge damage is something i havent thought about

i just do it with attack and special combo or attack and dash

oops, i confused the names there. fixed

[cunning urchin]

You'd have a better time proccing that reliably with Lightning Reflex + Jolted. I think that works with Jolted now.

[turbid needle]

demeter+anything else usually feels greatfor me bc chill sticks around forever

[cunning urchin]

But not so much with ranged weapons.

[dull karma]

I didn’t know that Brilliant Riposte was required for Athenas legendary. Don’t use Hestia at all. Not with how my setup is. Imma ||Lucifer|| main with the Rail myself. Also yeah, love me some revenge damage with priv status.

[errant narwhal]

i like divine strike/divine dash, so i usually pick one and try to get blinding flash, and then just pick a god that already has a status curse normally like aphrodite or demeter for the special or whatever i didnt pick from dash or attack

[cunning urchin]

That forces you to use your special throughout your run, though, to trigger Privileged Status consistently, and the first two hits would not have the buff, either, because two curses are not applied yet.

Which could be mitigated with a Dash-Upper from Malphon, for example, since that would apply both.

[dull karma]

Really? Did not know Malphon could that. Cool!!

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, if you had Divine Dash + Frost Flourish, for example, you could potentially apply both Exposed and Chill with a Dash-Upper.

It's not necessarily consistent, though, because the Dash-Upper has some more range than the dash effect.

[errant narwhal]

interesting, i feel like i dont use the dash upper much, maybe only by mistake

[dull karma]

Same.

[lament coral]

I don't use dash-special either, it's still inconsistent in terms of execution on my end

[cunning urchin]

There's also the fact that on higher heats, you'll likely have to deal with options like Underworld Customs, Approval Process, and Convenience Fee—all of which greatly reduce your control over your build and how many boons you get to pick up. So, Family Favorite gives you some more consistency in that regard.

It's easier to get the two curses you want when you get a lot of rerolls, boons are only 150 obols, you're not forced to sell any, and you have extra cash to spend because healing is aplenty and enemies don't deal extra damage.

Bosses aren't as hard, so you're fairly free to pick the Chthonic Coin Purse for 150 obols at some point during your run, which is essentially a free extra boon.

[dull karma]

Interesting. I’ve haven’t quite gotten to that high a heat yet. My highest so far is 13 with Malphon. Plus I always use Dark foresight, so more boons and hammers for me. I usually save the coin purse for Styx when I need extra coin

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, on very high heats, we basically all use Acorn in the Temple of Styx because daddy hits hard.

So, without those limitations, Privileged Status is a lot more reliable on every kind of build.

With limitations, though, some builds would rather have Family Favorite just for that reliability.

There's another argument that you only need to get so much extra damage. If you can kill an enemy in 3 hits with either mirror talent, then doing more damage with one of them is irrelevant. You get no benefits from overkills. The damage doesn't carry over to anything.

So, changing your attack patterns or boon build to trigger Privileged Status can do more harm than good if it only results in overkill damage but prevents you from picking up more utility or protection or just takes more time to apply.

[torn wasp]

[Charon Related] Hey, does anyone know if the ||Rewards Card that gives you a discount for beating him stay for the rest of your runs?||

[shrewd arrow]

No, it only applies for the run you pick it up

[torn wasp]

Damn, that's a shame

[jovial mortar]

On which gods spliting headache makes duo?

[shrewd arrow]

Tbf gives more incentive to fight Charon in future runs

[grim loom]

how do u even . get the fight

[shrewd arrow]

In the mid-biome shop rooms (any shop that isn't the one before the main boss of that area), there's a chance (apparently about 20% but I can't confirm that) that a money sack will appear behind Charon, if you go up to it it'll say "Borrow: 300 obols". Take it, and you will then start the Charon fight.

[grim loom]

ahh gotcha

[untold vortex]

22% cones

[grim loom]

i rarely go into the shop before styx cus i like hoarding money with golden touch

so that explains why i havent seen it at all yet

[shrewd arrow]

@untold vortex Is that taken from the games code yeah? I'd seen people saying 20% and a few mentions of 22%, hence I just said 'about'.

[grim loom]

@jovial mortar splitting headache is artemis/dionysus

[untold vortex]

Also, you need to have defeated Hades at least once

[turbid needle]

so

what is the deal with crackling skewer

[vague hearth]

Crunchy......

[magic dagger]

family favorite is perfect for single-god builds

[livid dew]

what are some decent builds for the rama bow and beowulf shield. been having trouble figuring out how to use em

[small stirrup]

I usually go for a dio or demeter build on Rama's special but I've just recently tried out aphro on it and it works pretty well

[dry ember]

whats the name of the bow upgrade that adds 3 damage for each consecutive special arrow?

[turbid needle]

Concentrated Volley?

[dry ember]

thanks! thats it

[livid dew]

ill try a demeter run with rama, how about beowulf any decent god for that shield

[dry ember]

just about any cast would do imo

[magic dagger]

just have infernal soul

[dry ember]

I am partial to Passion Flare

or Crush Shot, or whatever they renamed it.

[slender zealot]

Does Lasting Consequences affect Cursed Slash and the Guan Yu charge attack?

[magic dagger]

nope!

[slender zealot]

Thanks, that's very useful to know

[tender loom]

How does multiple stacks of hangover from different sources interact?

[turbid needle]

The highest damage stack takes priority.

If you hit something with 5 stacks of Drunken Dash, then 4 stacks of Dionysus's Aid, you'll get four stacks of the Call and one of Drunken Dash.

[slender zealot]

If an enemy has high dmg hangover and you hit them with a lower damage one, is the lower damage one then lost? That is, if this higher damage one runs out immediately after?

[turbid needle]

I'm not sure.

[merry oxide]

can you get the demeter poseidon duo with beowulf?

[turbid needle]

I think it was disabled.

[merry oxide]

that explains why I didn't get it

That's a shame, could've been cool

[glad frigate]

How does the Dodge mechanic work, and what can you avoid using it?

[unkempt pagoda]

you avoid a hit of damage

[glad frigate]

I recently got a run with Ruthless Reflex that gave 100% Dodge chance after a timed dash so I got curious

[turbid needle]

It checks for each individual instance of %, and it avoids one instance of any damage.

[unkempt pagoda]

dodge chances don't stack, they check individually for each %

[glad frigate]

Ah

So I instead had 4 separate checks for avoidance. I see.

[unkempt pagoda]

(though there was some posts here saying that bonus dodge chance stacks on those individuals? i've never seen any more confirmation of that though, so grain of salt)

[cunning urchin]

You can dodge all forms of damage except Poison damage, but you can dodge the poison trap, darts, or puddles that would apply the Poison stack.

[glad frigate]

Noted, thanks.

[cunning urchin]

@errant narwhal congratulations! 🎉

Woops, meant to post those two in high heat. 😅

Oh well.

[errant narwhal]

haha thank you though

[lost cairn]

hey, are the Middle Management upgrades too long to list? 🙂

[turbid needle]

which one do you wanna know

they are all just either more enemies or minibosses teleport/move around

[lost cairn]

Well, in general. Which elite you get? What are the "other problems"?

[pseudo lark]

Well, you can find all information on the Wiki.

[lost cairn]

ahh ok I see now

[turbid needle]

it's basicially like I said the elites stay the same but they either A spawn additional enemies or B move faster or teleport around

[lost cairn]

I didn't scroll down enough

Thanks everyone

I didn't even notice it at all. Except for the new mini boss in Tartarus. There was a hand mob extra and thats all

[pseudo lark]

Does Exposed status boost the Parting Shot Cast?

[lost cairn]

I haven't checked but I don't see why it wouldn't

[random hull]

According to the wording it should.

[weak rivet]

Gets Common Zeus attack on Rail
gets offered Rare Crop
It gets Approval Procces'd

I have one question for God?
W H Y

[lost cairn]

Which God?

[weak rivet]

Since its aprov procces probably Dad

[lost cairn]

GOD OF THE DAD

[weak rivet]

Dies on 10 heat w Hestia and Lucy at the last second

ALRIGHT YOUVE FORCED MY HAND IM GOING ERIS

[main osprey]

oh my goodness. I just turned off FO1 for the first time in ages. Asterius feels so slow

[weak rivet]

IM NOT EVEN TOUCHUNG FO YET

🎶 HELLL NOOOOO 🎶

[viscid helm]

approval process sensed that you were about to have a good run
and said no

[weak rivet]

Approval process is my greatest enemy

[viscid helm]

my greatest enemy
is myself

[weak rivet]

Save for heightened security

Which i took once

I HAVE ARTHUR I THOUGHT, ITS GONNA BE FINE, I THOUGHT

[viscid helm]

that or just
getting offered like 3 swaps in Tartarus

[weak rivet]

IT WAS NOT FINE

[viscid helm]

and that being the only like
attack modifying ones i got

i was like "Why this isnt even like high heat this is heat 2"

[weak rivet]

"this styx room is going good"
Guillotine: hehe yeah boi

[viscid helm]

my highest clear is 5 right now mainly because im going through all the weapons one heat level at a time for bounties

[weak rivet]

My highest is 9

[viscid helm]

lucifier aspect was my highest clear one
and after messing around with it
i dont really see the appeal of zeus strike

id rather go for like
demeter or dionysus

[weak rivet]

Im also switching weps for bounties but you can easily see stygius and exagryph are favourites because they sit at 8 and 9 and the rest is stuck at 3-5

[viscid helm]

I gravitate towards Malphon and Lucifer/Eris aspect exagryph
id like to mess around with guan yu but id want it fully upgraded since
im not confident enough to take anything more than a 50% hp cut

[weak rivet]

Other weapons: please feed us we are begging you
Me, maxing yet another rail: haha exagryph go brrrrr

[viscid helm]

Im tempted
to max out aspect of demeter
since im kinda noticing talos can do neat things but its gimmick kinda
doesnt work for bosses

[weak rivet]

I thought id be good w demeter but we cant synch and i haaate it

Like talos and zag im good w but

For some reason demeter doesnt work for me and i do not understand

[viscid helm]

the only like real issue i can see with demeter
is having the situation in asphodel of
"aw god dammit this gorgon or splitter is just floating in no mans land in the magma"

[weak rivet]

"DON'T MAKE ME COME OVER THERE"

[viscid helm]

yes ive had this as a common occurrence

[weak rivet]

It is

laughs in ranged main

[viscid helm]

like thats part of the reason
other than me being a klutz
that i dont like the trap damage heat modifier

[weak rivet]

Nobody:
Hades Vase: grabs your ankle for 120

[viscid helm]

that run ended me lol

I didnt know it counted as trap damage

and was like
"oh, ok. i see"

[main osprey]

UHG

[weak rivet]

Mine ended in styx

[main osprey]

I just made it all the way through a run to styx

[weak rivet]

Because 5 traps one boy

[main osprey]

for the weekly challenge

and I didn't get a duo

[pseudo lark]

Nobody:
Hades Vase: grabs your ankle for 120
Actually, it's 150 IIRC

[viscid helm]

should be 120

since 30 times 4

[main osprey]

time to reset to the last autosave >.<

[viscid helm]

hm

[cunning urchin]

It's +400%.

[pseudo lark]

30 + 400% = 30 * 5 = 150

[viscid helm]

oh right

i can math

i promise

[weak rivet]

The hand clean tears zag's leg off his body

[viscid helm]

the hand just
gut punches zag instead of grabs him

[weak rivet]

Guillotine works like an actual Guillotine

Heightened security is the damage it would deal to a normal person

[pseudo lark]

Chop.

[viscid helm]

styx traps would instagib me if i played with HS
since
im very reckless

[weak rivet]

Same

[viscid helm]

unless im playing exagryph
cuz thats a lot of me going "right i dont stunlock time to run away"

[pseudo lark]

Imagine doing HS with GY

[looks at his own pact choices]

[weak rivet]

I main gryph and i still run into traps

Me me dumb dumb

GY?

[viscid helm]

guan yu

[weak rivet]

LMAO

[pseudo lark]

Need more punishment? I got you covered pal.

[weak rivet]

Zag already drops the 'im dying' voiceline if he gets scraped when you play GY its so funny

[viscid helm]

guan yu interests me from a build perspective
since i dunno what gods youd want for it

[pseudo lark]

[proceeds to get instagibbed by traps]

guan yu interests me from a build perspective
since i dunno what gods youd want for it
Basically, Special is the way. Aphrodite or Artemis with Charged Skewer.

Spin is very slow on FO2

[weak rivet]

Human Mode, the opposite of God Mode: play unleveled Guan Yu, HS and Max level Lasting Consequences

[cunning urchin]

Deadly Flourish or Hunter Flourish and Divine Strike or Frost Strike are really good.

[viscid helm]

I see

[weak rivet]

Varatha: momther please play me i am starving
Me: yall hear sumn

[cunning urchin]

Frost Flourish and Tempest Flourish are pretty good, too.

[viscid helm]

i still
Dunno whats good for a lot of the weapons
for fists i normally go like zeus strike and a status special and that works out most the time
mostly go for like, aphro/dionysus

[cunning urchin]

Varatha is really fun now in Blood Price.

[weak rivet]

I havent touched Varatha in ages we just don't talk

I don't know how to get through to it

It always feels like im playing a broom

[viscid helm]

Varatha doesnt really click with me
it always felt kinda...sluggish i guess?

[weak rivet]

Ive also been horribly neglecting all non arthur Stygius aspects

Arthur is just too fun

[cunning urchin]

You should try a Special build with the Zagreus Aspect of Varatha and Heartbreak Flourish. Get Swift Flourish and you'll throw at the speed of light.

[viscid helm]

[cunning urchin]

The Throw is really fast now.

[viscid helm]

the like
two wins ive gotten out of varatha
where achilles

[weak rivet]

Achilles disorients me

;~;

[viscid helm]

honestly dont really like achilles
its neat as a movement too but ive found it isnt as responsive as id like it to be

[cunning urchin]

Hades Aspect's spin attack is massive now.

[weak rivet]

I think i tried it out

[viscid helm]

ive wanted to mess with hades aspect
since
i saw it has the talos aspect damage debuff thing
and that has my attention

[weak rivet]

Sweeps across half of a tartarus room hahduf

[viscid helm]

also i want to do the haha hades aspect im the god of the dead now

[cunning urchin]

And Sweep right into the next chamber if you get Massive Spin.

[weak rivet]

Photon i only run varatha when i wanna make dad big mad

Lmao

[viscid helm]

fair

[weak rivet]

Aspect of SPITE

[viscid helm]

i try to vary up what weapons i use

[cunning urchin]

So, like, always?

[viscid helm]

it took me a while to use the shield
but once i got chaos aspect i went

"man i slept on the shield"

[weak rivet]

I loved the shield when i sucked at the game but now its kinda stale for me

[viscid helm]

see i just like
yeeting multiple shields at dudes

and having chaos commentate

thats such a good detail too is that chaos comments on things you do with the shield

[weak rivet]

I LOVE THAT

[viscid helm]

it
startled me the first time

cuz i was like "huh what did i do"

[cunning urchin]

I'm not a big fan of Chaos Aspect. It's too easy.

[viscid helm]

im probably building and playing it horribly wrong cuz ive found at least for me
shield runs are harder than most of the other weapons for me

[cunning urchin]

Do you have it at Lv.5 yet?

[viscid helm]

nope

its at lvl 3

only thing at lvl 5 i have is nemesis

ive probably spread my titan blood a bit thin

[rare kayak]

just build a zeus special

thats it really

everything else is just icing

but yeah chaos shield is really really strong

[viscid helm]

do the shields like
actually proc zues flourish?

[rare kayak]

yes

[viscid helm]

huh

i thought it wouldve been like chiron where the extra ones didnt

[rare kayak]

theyre basically the shield you throw on special in almost all aspects

except that they only bounce once

and only he main shield procs explosive return

unfortunately getting the hammer which increases bounce on special doesnt apply to extra shields

doom is also a viable choice for special

so is athena i think but ive never tried it

but yeah basically just build zeus special and you’re halfway to a win

[viscid helm]

i really one take athena dash

[hollow kraken]

Wait a sec, Thunder Flourish doesn't work with Chiron??

[rare kayak]

they nerfed it

[viscid helm]

it does

[rare kayak]

lowered proc rates

[viscid helm]

but it doesnt proc every hit

[hollow kraken]

ah

huh..I thought it works..

[viscid helm]

I mainly aim for demeter flourish on chiron
since its nice to just get a bunch of frost stacks on a target

[hollow kraken]

I think artemis or poseidon are like 10x better

[lost cairn]

Does World Splitter buff dash attack?

[rare kayak]

no

[hollow kraken]

damn, they really need to add a testing room

[lost cairn]

Right?!

[viscid helm]

id like a way to test each boon
but
i also kinda like the discovery aspect of not being able to test them

[lost cairn]

It would actually be a great feature in 1.0

Easy: you can test the boons you already discovered

[hollow kraken]

Just make it unlockable after a specific number of runs

or like what Fid said

[lost cairn]

The problem is now that you can waste hours for getting a combination and it just doesn't work

Like when I had both the Demeter/Artemis and Demeter/Aphrodite boons

[cunning urchin]

Thunder Flourish procs once every 0.2 sec per enemy. That's why it doesn't do much on Chiron but works very well on Chaos Aspect.

[viscid helm]

i see

[cunning urchin]

@main osprey here's a challenge for you: HL5 CP2 FO2 HS DC2. Optional: EM3 MM.

15 Heat. 20 with EM3. 22 with MM.

No Aegis allowed.

[main osprey]

Ooh, that sounds interesting. Can you DM that to me so I don't lose it? I'm theoretically going to sleep soon (it's 5 am xD)

[viscid helm]

so random question about demeter fist
would like
aphro flourish be good on it since big damage

[weak rivet]

I feel like aphro is always p good for fists

Big boy damage + Weak, which is useful cause youre close range and might get easier

[viscid helm]

im just
very much now questioning my decisions of what i think is good
since
ive slept on aphro because me went "eh weak isnt all that good"

and didnt think
"wait less damage and good and she gives massive damage"

[lost cairn]

It would be awesome anyway for Privilaged

I think it's the longest debuff by default

[cunning urchin]

Heartbreak Flourish is great on it.

[weak rivet]

I dont even know whats considered good i just grab things

And i feel like that approach is gonna bite me if i go higher in heat lmao

[cunning urchin]

Chill is the longest-lasting status curse by default.

[viscid helm]

hmm
dionysus/aphro sounds like a nice combo for fists
gets pv, can make good use of the duo boon

you know upon joining this discord ive realized a lot of my thoughts about what was kinda bad were just me not using the boons to max utility

[lost cairn]

Winter Harvest. Getting this is the worst

[viscid helm]

winter harvest seems nice for like ad clear
but by the time youre likely to get it youre probably at like
the final area

[lost cairn]

I only hunt it for the fated list

Not even sure how to get it, wiki says it needs two T2 boons, but also says it needs one

You kinda need to meet her at least 4 times

[cunning urchin]

@viscid helm I'd only take Dionysus' Aid on Malphon for Hangover. Drunken Strike, Flourish, and Dash are pretty underwhelming.

[merry oxide]

any good rama builds you recommend?

[viscid helm]

[merry oxide]

did full zeus, died to dad

[viscid helm]

what do you normally go for on malphon?

[cunning urchin]

I only played Rama day 1 in the beta, so I don't even know what it's like now lol.

Divine Strike > Hunter Dash > Support Fire + Deadly Reversal.

And for Demeter Aspect, either Deadly Flourish or Heartbreak Flourish, ideally.

[merry oxide]

gonna try the luci super soaker build but with rama special

lets see how it does

[viscid helm]

im tempted to try messing with demeter more than talos
mainly becuase demeter seems just kinda like a better damaging option

[cunning urchin]

I'd say Talos is the most difficult to play.

[lost cairn]

As I learned here on this Discord: Zag fist is far far far the best

[viscid helm]

I really enjoy talos
because
i can make atomic collider jokes and be tager
and its fun to use

but ive kinda felt that its like
really hard to use for boss fights

[cunning urchin]

Not necessarily. Zagreus Aspect is what got the most high heat clears, but that's just because we haven't used Demeter Aspect lol.

Or Talos.

[viscid helm]

zag fist seems nice but its just kinda
boring to me

[cunning urchin]

There are simple but very strong builds that are just best on Zagreus Aspect due its Attack speed and Dodge.

[lost cairn]

I think it has everything the fist needs. The others have gimmicks

[cunning urchin]

They're not gimmicks.

Demeter does a ton of damage. Talos gives you a lot of control.

[lost cairn]

The special is clunky and you have to use it with both aspects

[viscid helm]

I think the fist special is the least clunky of all the weapon specials ngl

[cunning urchin]

With Talos, you can use the pull, which also applies the debuff, and immediately dash to cancel the Uppercut. So you never have to deal with the regular Uppercut to use it effectively like that.

If you do it fast, it's basically just Zagreus dashing. That's all you see, but the enemy gets pulled to where your dash started.

[lost cairn]

I might have different opinions once I maxed them out, but they're pretty low on priority on my list at the moment

Since the Zag maxed I don't really feel the need of the other two

[cunning urchin]

As for Demeter Aspect, the damage is just crazy.

[viscid helm]

i think thats a good thing
since the way i see it the other fists are sidegrades

[lost cairn]

They also cost 3x blood 😛 On my level it's an issue

[cunning urchin]

Dash-Uppers get damage bonus from Dash-Strike Damage Bonus, and your Dash-Uppers will hit 6 times with Demeter Aspect when it's charged.

[viscid helm]

oh neat
i thought dash uppers wouldnt get that bonus

[cunning urchin]

Add Explosive Upper to that for +100% damage on all 6 hits in an AOE . . .

[viscid helm]

since my thought was "its a dash special so its not a dash strike"

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, the hammers for Dash-Strikes won't affect it, but any boons for Dash-Strikes will.

[lost cairn]

I'm not sure this is intended

[cunning urchin]

Intentional or not, they should know about that by now because we've been using that a lot.

[viscid helm]

i feel like it makes sense

[cunning urchin]

For now I'll assume it's staying.

[lost cairn]

I'm not against it, but how does it make sense? It's not a "strike" at all 🙂

[cunning urchin]

An uppercut is a strike.

[viscid helm]

i guess its becuase its a dash attack
you wouldnt want a boon to read "boosts the damage of dash strike and dash upper" since it would be confusing on non fist weapons
I think adding in a tooltip on the weapon that mentions "dash upper is also affected by boons that increase dash strike damage"

[lost cairn]

It basically counts both a strike and a special. Which is weird imo

[merry oxide]

ok so super soaker bow

it's good

I love it

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, I think I've posted feedback about that before. I didn't know about it until somebody told me lol.

[viscid helm]

i mean it just proves joining this discord
is serving my intended purpose of making me better at the game

cuz i got my first win after watching a couple content creators and taking note of their play and how they were doing
then being like "Hmm discord is probably a good knowledge base"

[lost cairn]

As much as I love this game, the wording sometimes just confuses me. And there aren't too many resources online

[cunning urchin]

Well, you may vote on it now.

[viscid helm]

TIL flying cutter is an upgrade
Im assuming i never saw it cuz talos likely cant get it

[cunning urchin]

That's correct.

It's been changed recently. I haven't tried it yet.

[viscid helm]

its
like shields bull rush

neat

[lost cairn]

Any other boons affecting the dash upper? Or is it just Hunter Dash?

I can't think any

[cunning urchin]

Hunter Dash and Lunge from Master Chaos.

[viscid helm]

so i may really like demeter aspect
but that may also be because i literally have the perfect athena/artermis start
got divine strike, hunter dash, their duo, support fire, and pressure points

[cunning urchin]

That sounds great lol.

What Flourish?

[viscid helm]

havent gotten a flourish yet

going for aphro

[cunning urchin]

Take that or Deadly Flourish. They're both great.

[viscid helm]

took deadly since game gave it to me first
aphro boon i forced gave me crush shot which aint bad considering malphon

[cunning urchin]

Whoever gives me rare or epic first is usually what I take for Special.

[viscid helm]

thats what i do normally
took deadly since it was rare
ended up getting heroic pressure points due to eury and now my hunter dash is epic so
this is a good run lol

[barren otter]

I finally got Artemis' legendary! All it took is just not having a cast-focused build apparently. Still, 4 level 4 Athena casts with Stygian Soul was really good.

(4 casts because +1 was from Chaos)

[weak rivet]

Just beat 10 heat!

Had a nice wombo of zeus attack, support fire, epic attack speed and delta chamber

Also 50th clear ayee

[cunning urchin]

@viscid helm for future reference, most of the time Eurydice's 4x +1 pom adds the most damage. It's certainly the most reliable to buff the boons that you want.

@weak rivet congratulations!

@barren otter also congratulations!

[viscid helm]

i thought so but
my divine strike was just basic so i was hoping to bump it up to rare

I lost that run because im not used to EM hyrda and that kinda threw off the rest of the run

[cunning urchin]

Ah. 😅

EM Hydra can be very mean.

[lost cairn]

I feel it's easier than normal

[turbid needle]

EM hydra feels harder or easier now depending on what head u get

[viscid helm]

I got the head that causes rocks to fall from the ceiling
so

[turbid needle]

oof

[viscid helm]

also noticing i really suck at noticing the like
projectiles the sword guys in elysium have
dunno why but they always blend into the enviroment

[turbid needle]

I have the same issue

I just solved it by paying attention to their animations and not standing still much

[viscid helm]

see i move around a lot
i
dash into them

i dash into a lot of things
i really should be more careful

[lost cairn]

Yeah just zapping everywhere won't work there usually

[turbid needle]

its rly easier to see if they did big sword slam rather than trying to spot the projectile

[lost cairn]

I mean I take hella damage, but it's also faster for me

[cunning urchin]

Dash only when you see something you want to avoid or when you see something you want to attack.

If you just dash carelessly, you won't be able to dash when you need to.

[lost cairn]

Where's the Hypnos emoji??

[turbid needle]

with keep moving I don't rly mean dashing everywhere

[cunning urchin]

I see what you're saying, but what I hear is take Epic Greatest Reflex and mash dash.

[turbid needle]

not like thats a bad idea

is it just me or does it feel like wavebreakers have better aim ever since the update

[dusky grove]

Any rama builds ? Im still gathering blood for it ;<

[novel prawn]

My advice is get zeus special or dyonisus special for rama bow. I'd say those will give you a lot of dmg on special, if you can't afford to stay still until your attack gets off

[viscid helm]

avoid zeus

[novel prawn]

why avoid zeus?

[viscid helm]

since it doesnt do all 3 ticks of lighting
at least
if its anything like chiron's bow timing
might not be, i havent tested

[dusky grove]

well i used dyo in my 1st run

it's ok

but i dont know if the bouncing special arrows proc any lightning damage

[novel prawn]

they do... I don't remember exactly if multiple arrows will proc on the same target, but if you have enemies clumped up together, it will definetely proc multiple times per one volley of special

also, the fact that the special arrows ricochet also helps this

[dusky grove]

yes, as i was saying

[viscid helm]

i was more referring to single target
since i believe the proc delay is per single target

[novel prawn]

alright, I went into the game and checked... it does not proc multiple times on a single target, which kinda sucks, I'll admit

well

even so... if you ask me, with zeus special you can do at least the same ammount of damage as with dyonisus special just as fast, only because the special itself has high attack speed, and the zeus lightning dmg on special is much higher on special than on attack

and you can finish off large groups of enemies with it rather easily

[viscid helm]

I think going with something like arti would serve rama better
since from what i understand you mainly want a lot of damage on rama

[novel prawn]

what do you mean arti? what boon?

you mean crit on special, or support fire maybe?

I dont understand

and zeus special does give dmg

like come on...

I guarantee you, you won't be dissapointed if you try it at least once

[viscid helm]

er
Artemis
i call her arti

because i cant spell

[novel prawn]

I understand arti means Artemis

what I dont understand

is where youre going with this.... what boon are you talking about in particular (or boons plural?)

pressure points, support fire?

[viscid helm]

flourish mainly

[novel prawn]

deadly flourish?

yeah ok but

the special arrows

have 5 dmg each

that goes to 15

you get more dmg from zeus special, than if you'd get deadly flourish

or dyonisus special, for that matter (I mean dyonisus special or zeus special both give more dmg than deadly flourish, sry for bad wording)

[viscid helm]

I
thought they did a bit more damage, my bad

[novel prawn]

hmm

I guess

deadly flourish

would be nice, but if you get that daedalus hammer upgrade which gives you 4 more arrows on special;

[viscid helm]

to me zeus just
doesnt do enough with that proc delay
i think getting something like demeter or dion would end up being more beneficial in shoring up the weaknesses of rama

dion more so than demeter

[novel prawn]

trust me, that proc delay isn't as much of a problem as you think, and I'm saying this only because you can use the special in very rapid succession, which sort of makes up for that delay (in my opinion)

so far I had a lot of fun using the zeus special on rama's bow

also, I gotta be honest, I didn't do the math properly with the deadly flourish.... I forgot that you do get a dmg boost, not just crit chance... but it's usually below 100% in the beginning ... so even if your special arrows go to like 8 dmg.... which would be like 24 from 3 special arrows... well, if you do get some crits, you will do some good dmg with one volley of the special

it would be a lot better with the daedalus hammer upgrade (the one with 4 more special arrows), and I think in that case deadly flourish might actually be better than thunder flourish at that point on rama's bow

[cunning urchin]

Is Rama's Volley still 3 arrows that do 5 base damage each for a total of 15 damage?

[novel prawn]

yeah

but they can also ricochet, so they can do more dmg depending on how clumped together the enemies are

I think it only ricochet's to one other target, not sure

[cunning urchin]

Then a common Thunder Flourish already adds +200% damage on a single target.

[viscid helm]

i see

[cunning urchin]

Epic is +300%.

1 proc is enough because that 1 proc does 30 damage at common.

[viscid helm]

thats
hmm
you know thats fair
i may of been dumb and mixed up damage numbers and how that works

[cunning urchin]

• the 15 base damage.

[random hull]

I think of Rama as a reverse Rail. However, Rama special has two advantages: 1) no ammo management. 2) special on-hit effects tend to be stronger than attack on-hit effects.

[viscid helm]

the faults of
me not playing bow enough and my own habits of chiron bow being weird in not wanting zeus

[turbid needle]

rail is def better than rama in that aspect imo

[random hull]

I must confess that I haven't gotten the hang of using Rama the way it is intended, and had far better success just spamming the special.

[cunning urchin]

Who says that's not intended?

[turbid needle]

yeah just spam special is good

the real thing about rama to me is that the arrows bounce so you can proc effects on multiple enemies fast

[random hull]

All fourth aspects make a big deal out of their alternate movesets, but using the entire thing with Rama just doesn't hack it for me. I wondered "but what about Shared Suffering" during the beta.

[turbid needle]

dont ppl ignore hellfire on lucy too

and spin in gy

[viscid helm]

I try to remember to use hellfire on lucy
since its nice to apply statuses

cuz of the pulses itll do

[cunning urchin]

Drunken Flourish adds the most damage to a Volley. But once you hit 5 stacks, that's it. So it plays into a special + attack build possibly the most.

[random hull]

I guess mixing it with Heartbreak Strike and hoping for Low Tolerance could work.

It's a pity Shared Suffering doesn't spread the status of the main attack.

[cunning urchin]

I don't know if Low Tolerance is worth it. Maybe.

I guess on bosses.

[turbid needle]

what I had sucess with: aprho, artemis and ares on attack for rama

[cunning urchin]

Not in the first phase for Hades. He loses all Hangover stacks when he goes invisible.

[viscid helm]

dunno how id build lucy
i messed around with zeus and got a win but it just kinda
felt underwhelming
i wanna mess around with a demeter or ares build

[random hull]

Demeter L is pretty neat if you can get Frost Strike and Arctic Blast together.

[gilded knoll]

Demeter L is fun

[rich kelp]

any tips for avoiding dmg in Elysium? Like,. the spear/bow guys especially seem almost undodgeable and require a deflect. I know im not too good at the game though.

esp as a fist player**

[tepid ridge]

One of the better tips I learned in the game was running laterally to projectile enemies. The bowmen will hit you every time if you run directly away from them. When the little target over your head flashes, try to be running at right angle to them and/or be behind cover. As for spear men, they just require learning their patterns. They leap and they do that 3-stab combo

[slow urchin]

Can someone recommend me a build for the machine gun? I'm doing something wrong making it seem clunky and unresponsive, which is why it is the only weapon i don't like.

[cunning urchin]

Exagryph?

Get Lightning Strike on it.

And . . . that's the build.

[turbid needle]

Lightning, Hangover, or Chill on Zag or Eris, Artemis and Aphrodite with Hestia.

[unkempt pagoda]

eris can also be cool with hangover or doom

[random hull]

The rail's playstyle can be altered quite drastically by certain hammers. Look out for Rocket Bomb and Triple Bomb or Cluster Bomb especially.

Concentrated Fire with Seeking Fire or Flurry Fire is also good.

[dry ember]

Hazard Bomb With Eris

[viscid helm]

[unkempt pagoda]

hazard bomb with lucifer 👀

[tender loom]

How does athena ares duo 'doom combo damage' work?

[unkempt pagoda]

your attacks that can deflect set off doom instantly, plus the combo damage stated in the boon

[random hull]

That only works if you use a doom effect before the deflect effect. That means just chaining deflect effects will not result in doom damage.

[tender loom]

Hmmm, does multiple instances of doom stack the doom combo damage?

i had 2 sources of doom, getting both before deflect increase the damage by 50

[random hull]

Let's say you have doom on attack and deflect on special.

You use the attack and inflict doom. Attacking further will not alter the doom damage unless you have the corresponding extra boon.

Attacking with special, on the other hand, will trigger the doom damage immediately, and increase the doom damage by 50 on top.

Normally Doom takes 1.1 seconds to resolve, and you can save time by using Merciful End. Loop until dead.

[tender loom]

I thought it was like that. I had doom on special and revenge. I got the doom on special then deflect, it worked like you said. But then, I tried getting both doom on special and revenge then deflect, it did 50 more damage then the one with only special

I'm sure it was not the revenge doom first as the revenge one did far less damage

[random hull]

Huh.

[serene phoenix]

Is Aphro's cast bad?

[unkempt pagoda]

not really, effective shotgun and weak inflictor

can do a lot of damage too

[turbid needle]

It needs a little boon TLC, but so does Slicing Shot.

Blown Kiss goes a long way in making it easier to use, and if you stack that with Parting Shot it's just super nutty damage.

[lost cairn]

The age old question: Dark Regeneration or Chthonic Vitality?

[random hull]

I like Dark Regeneration more. It doubles the odds of troves healing you, and if you already have a bounty unlocked, beating a boss bestows healing as well.

[lost cairn]

And also you can get huge bonuses from Poseidon or Chaos.

But now I had a few runs with Vitality and it is way more consistent

No best choice i guess

[random hull]

I also prefer Dark Regeneration for being able to buy more healing in a pinch.

[viscid helm]

i prefer l chthonic solely for the last area
since each room counts as an encounter

[pseudo lark]

Yeah but the Chthonic's effect diminishes real hard with Lasting Consequences pact. Hence, I prefer Dark as you can still get another source of healing.

[viscid helm]

i dont run with lasting consequences but in that situation if you do run with it dark will be better
its mostly down to where you need to prioritize healing

[pseudo lark]

True, healing with Dark in Styx can be tough as you're restricted to Wells and the Sack chamber only. But other than that, it gets the job done.

[wanton raptor]

what god - boon do yall choose for the lazer aspect of rail ?

zeus ?

[stuck elbow]

anything works honestly

Demeter, Aphro, Zeus, Poseidon, Artemis

even status focused stuff like Dio/Ares going for the duo is great on it

[hasty garnet]

Homing 30% faster bullets that reflect projectiles. Good stuff

[unkempt pagoda]

@turbid needle
idea for a greater call equivalent for smouldering: only need 50% for greater call
if i had to guess, smouldering would probably still be better, but

[turbid needle]

Who wants to discourse on Pullers? Because I think it's a dumb dumb Benefit and needs either heavy changes or axing.

[mint marsh]

pullers?

[unkempt pagoda]

oh me

[turbid needle]

The black hole Benefit.

[unkempt pagoda]

puller chariots are dumb and may be worse than speeder chariots

[mint marsh]

oooh

that sounds disgusting

that's the one that slows you when you're near them right?

[turbid needle]

Okay, what about about Speeder Puller Chariots? In groups, so that even if you burn both your Dashes and evade one, three more are right there.

Yes.

[mint marsh]

oh yeah those suck

[unkempt pagoda]

the asphodel equivalent is puller rakers

in groups, so so so much worse

[turbid needle]

Or everyone's favorite, Shifter Puller literally anything, because they'll teleport in the middle of an attack animation so even if you were fast enough to react to the teleport and press Dash you'll still get hit by the attack.

Puller in groups is really really annoying, and part of why I don't think it should affect Dashes.

[unkempt pagoda]

i think the annoyance there is the shifter part

[mint marsh]

i just don't like rakers

[unkempt pagoda]

BP is just dumb in general and you will never see me playing bp2

[turbid needle]

Unless you're already at range, don't dodge away from Rakers, but stop holding the attack button and Dash through them.

[mint marsh]

sometimes it feels like you can dash out of their attack and you just get hit for 30 damage

[turbid needle]

BP2 is pretty annoying, yeah.

[mint marsh]

that's a good tip

[turbid needle]

1 is fine.

[mint marsh]

bp2?

[unkempt pagoda]

sometimes i get flashbacks to when i went into erebus and spent 5 minutes running in fear from 2 speeder numbskulls

bp2?
benefits package, rank 2

[mint marsh]

thanks

oh god i forgot you could make that level 2

that sounds really hard

[livid dew]

for the rama bow do you just use the special attack and never do normal attack?

i can't tell if im doing it incorrectly but it just does a decent amount of damage just by using a special boon and hermes speed special boon. like occasionaly i throw in an attack to clear ads but from what im doing at 13 heat is just using special

[mint marsh]

you just load the blood stones into the bow and attack

it does good damage from the little bit I've played with it

[livid dew]

the rama bow is the 4th aspect you are thinking the 3rd aspect the hera bow

the hera bow is the one that loads blood stones. i like that bow a lot but ive been trying to practice with the rama bow trying to understand that one

[turbid needle]

I had an idea for an Athena/Demeter Duo. 10% Chance to automatically backstab per stack of Chill, so effectively guaranteed backstabs at maximum Chill.

Requires Blinding Flash and a Demeter boon that applies chill.

[mint marsh]

the hera bow is the one that loads blood stones. i like that bow a lot but ive been trying to practice with the rama bow trying to understand that one
@livid dew oh yeah, you're right. I really have no idea how to use rama in all honesty.

I had an idea for an Athena/Demeter Duo. 10% Chance to automatically backstab per stack of Chill, so effectively guaranteed backstabs at maximum Chill.
@turbid needle that sounds fun

[turbid needle]

The real question is whether or not this Duo allows you to backstab normally unbackstabable enemies.

[mint marsh]

that would be nice

[nova goblet]

i do rlly like the rama bow, i try adding poseidon boons on main to keep the enemies away while i have that long charge speed

also lightning on special helps more than i thought it would

[manic vine]

feel like if i misunderstand how the keepsakes for boons work, cause i just grabbed athena's keepsake cause i wanted to try a build with her, and took it through the entire run

and only got 1 athena buff

are those keepsakes literally just for the first boon at the start of a run?

[mighty ermine]

the god keepsake guarantees one boon from the corresponding god, and then that charge is used up, and no longer influences their appearance

it does carry a rarity boost, though

so if you encounter that god more, the keepsake's rarity boost chance will apply

but will not influence the rate of appearance past the first

[nova goblet]

yeah i tried to get all of diony's boons but only got him once in a run so i know that feel

[manic vine]

mhm, what is its usefulness then? if you get the rarity chance to max, then just hope you get a good roll for the first boon to have the first floor easy?

[mighty ermine]

and yeah, you're pretty much correct about what they're mostly used for. it's for setting the initial tone of a run

which can be invaluable

[manic vine]

i gotcha

past that, is there anyway to influence a god appearing more? other than rerolling between rooms with the dice?

[mighty ermine]

you can also switch to a different god keepsake inbetween biomes to go for another specific god, if you want them to show up

other than the keepsakes and rerolls, not really. each run will make an effort to form a "pool" of around four core olympians

the keepsake appearance charge overrides this whole facet

and forces them to show up, even if only once

[manic vine]

ah okay, im starting to really get the hang of hades now after 20 or so clears, and wanna try out some new builds, though that seems still pretty random lol

[nova goblet]

^^tail hit it on the head

even if ur keepsake gives u the first boon, its still possible that that god will fall out of that "pool"

for me artemis and athena are bear alwats in the pool

[manic vine]

my run ended up being like almost entirely demeter and artemis

was a combo of 5 dashes with chill on dash, athena's cast (the first boon i got lol) and then the aspect of poseidon sword to always knock those casts out, rinse and repeat

was a pretty fun build

[rich kelp]

whats everyones fav cast for cast build? (Achilles Spear), Demeter improved (duo w/ arti) is def the easiest w/ spear as your so mobile so setting up the angles and dodging till everything dies is easy af, but I dont like the other ones. Blade Rift is slow and meh, Aphro is too short range. And I HATE lobbing (with a controller).

[manic vine]

get more casts from artemis and athena's deflect cast and you'll be dominating

[grim loom]

my favorite cast in almost every case is always artemis

cus i can aim to save my life lmao

does deathless stand give a second free stubborn defiance or no?

[red hound]

u get an extra death defiance iirc

works as regular DD

but every room refreshes ur stubborn defiance, and its used first

[rare topaz]

^^ If you lose your Stubborn Defiance and get that boon, you benefit from an additional defiance.

Iirc

[red hound]

u dont get 2 stubborn defiance tho

u get 1 regular

so if u use up the defiance it doesnt come back i think

[grim loom]

right

[rare topaz]

Yes

1 normal death defiance.

[grim loom]

but if i buy this right before the final boss itd be worthwhile

1 normal death defy and 1 stubborn defy after buying?

[rare topaz]

Yep. Your Stubborn Defiance is a fixed thing, it wouldn't be replaced.

[grim loom]

awesome

wish me luck lol

[rare topaz]

Good luck!

[grim loom]

. it did not do that

[rare topaz]

[grim loom]

i bought it and i still only have one token above my health bar

COOL. this is fine. this will be fine

[rare topaz]

^ You atm

[grim loom]

🙃

[rare topaz]

How is that not how it works? How? Didn't it work this way?

I'm sorry Qaz

[grim loom]

im not sure!!

and nah its fine bud

wasnt intentional

[red hound]

hmm thats weird

did u buy it from charon?

[rare topaz]

^_^

[grim loom]

should i f10?

[red hound]

or was it a boon

[rare topaz]

Nah don't f10

[grim loom]

i bought a boon from charon

[rare topaz]

I don't think this is a bug

It was Deathless Stand, yeah? Not one of those that recharge Stubborn Defiance and give it more health?

I am distraught.

[grim loom]

yep, deathless stand

[rare topaz]

Yikers

[grim loom]

i am . mildly concerned

[rare topaz]

I now have to go. I am sorry.

Best of luck, friend.

[grim loom]

no worries fam

thanks!

[red hound]

thats confusing though

i dont usually use stubborn but

[grim loom]

as soon as they introduced stubborn i switched to it and ive never looked back lol

[rare topaz]

[grim loom]

i die way too often lmao

anyways, time to go get punted by ||dad||

[red hound]

i die too much in heroes and the last boss

so i stuck to regular DD

[turbid needle]

Wave Lernie could stand to use his 360 attack a little less frequently.

[grim loom]

ye

[rare kayak]

lava lernie could stand to exist a little less frequently

[vale sphinx]

Guys quick question, does anyone know what happens if you replace Poseidon’s Cast while having Curse of Drowning?

Does CoD still work but now pulses the new cast,or does CoD just turn itself off?

[unkempt pagoda]

if it's like any other duo that affects a specific boon, it'll probably just not work

[vale sphinx]

Oh well

Thanks for help :D

[unkempt pagoda]

👍

[cunning urchin]

Try it out, and report back to us.

[vale sphinx]

Sorry, didn’t even really consider testing it, just picked something else and moved on :(

[cunning urchin]

Maybe another time!

[unkempt pagoda]

rooms full of slugger speeder elite bows

[stoic thicket]

Well, what's the difference between your Zag and a hedgehog then? The hedgehog has the pricks on the outside.

[narrow rampart]

chile...

[random hull]

Hades: "Our family tree is a cactus. Every branch is a prick"

[tender loom]

Is artemis' marked effect supposed to disappear after a single crit?

[pseudo lark]

It's more croud-oriented in that regard: the effect keeps bouncing from one enemy to another.

[turbid needle]

anyone have fun build ideas for ||lucifer||?
Some weapons benefit more from AoE/utility and others from straight DPS, i'm not sure what this would benefit more from. I tried an Aries focused build but it felt a bit boring and struggled with crowd control.

As an aside, I often wonder what to do with Poseidon other than increase to wall slams via the ||shield||, or for peripheral boons like the instant treasure one.

[cunning urchin]

Poseidon's Aid is one of the best calls in the game. You can do a ton of safe damage with that.

[clear dome]

6 ares boons, none of them is dire misfortune, and uses chiron.....

[eternal quartz]

@main osprey I'd rather answer you here instead of in victory-boasting server, as we've gone off topic.

About this matter:

I'm gonna do another run for the challenge tomorrow, if I feel like it's better, could I ask you to swap it?

I'd rather not do it, as once your post the result tagging me it should be official. The reason is to avoid players doing it over and over again to get the best result and it might also not be fair to others, I guess... The whole reason for it is to be challenging and fun, but not competitive. But on the other hand, it'd be nice to see several victories related to a challenge even from one player, so I'll think how to solve it for the next challenge, but ofc still feel free to post the result, but only the first one is going to be included in HoF 🙂 Hope that makes sense.

[main osprey]

That sounds good! And makes sense as well ^.^

I tend to enjoy self-imposed challenges in games, so I'm sure I'll do the weekly challenges more than once when I have the time. But recording the first success is quite reasonable 👍

[cunning urchin]

@main osprey

here's a challenge for you: HL5 CP2 FO2 HS DC2. Optional: EM3 MM.

Have you done that yet.

[main osprey]

Nope lol, I've barely played xD

It's also very early in the morning for me, like with last time xD

[cunning urchin]

Finally RNGd into a good seed for the Friends Challenge with some err . . . they . . . they went to the gym, all the enemy friends went to the gym and worked out together. https://imgur.com/a/GRIpIoT

Now to go buy groceries, then come back and lose all DDs in Asphodel, then try again.