Hey, how does the final Aspect of the Rail work with crit chance?
#h1-builds-and-combat
unkempt pagoda
i assume yes
stiff jacinth
thank~
slim wharf
What kinda gods should I be on the look out for if I am using Hera Bow
I was thinking maybe Poseidon?
hermes reload too
tepid ridge
Pretty sure Dio is also well-liked on that aspect
main osprey
Artemis for Exit Wounds, depending on your cast
main osprey
o7
My first clear with Hera Bow was with 7 bloodstones, exit wounds, quick reload and Hermes' legendary recall boon. Was beautiful
slim wharf
how do you get more than 3 bloodstones
tepid ridge
Artemis’ legendary, Chaos “-grasp” boons, buying temporary ones in the form of Prometheus stones
main osprey
That^
I had +2 from Master Chaos and +2 from Lady Artemis
turbid needle
best girl
grand gust
hitting for 700 in chamber 10 lmao, ty to whoever told me excal was worth
broken charm
https://gyazo.com/0644da036c934e3d567336af03c29c79 my first win pog
shield do be kind astrong with that many dash strike buffs
fossil furnace
Nice damage boost. Congrats on your first win! May learning strategy and building here lead you to many more victories
turbid needle
Speeder Flamewheels, I'm remembering why I run Hard Labor over Benefits Package.
fossil furnace
Flameo Hotman! Perks are scary to me. What heat are you at?
turbid needle
fossil furnace
Also, would love to know what Hades content creators are out there? I only know Jawless and Daddy DeGrand
ivory oracle
Hey, everyone! Can someone explain for me this. For example Boon "Brilliant Riposte" from Athena on wiki has 4 Prerequisites boons. Does that mean i need all of them or just one of them?
turbid needle
Any of the 4.
ivory oracle
thanks
stoic thicket
If there are two differently colored arrows pointing at the same boon then you need both, otherwise any of them.
turbid needle
Does Aspect of Poseidon disable Curse of Drowning from spawning?
pseudo lark
Is the summon's damage affected by Privileged Status?
cunning urchin
Not anymore.
cunning urchin
@tough cloud you can actually reload Exagryph with a full mag. You don't need to shoot once before you can reload.
worthy onyx
I like all the slower weapons in this game, it's just pretty frustrating how they almost become unplayable for me once you ramp up the speed on the pact of punishment
hybrid galleon
^^^
so this
the thing is that bow is already suffer from one issue
it gets attack cancel everytime you take damage
and rama just makes that issue even bigger
this is why guanyu never will be meta and the devs are mad for us cheesing other things that the other spear doesnt get
spear in general is just getting abused tbh
worthy onyx
Well luckily the pact of punishment has other options than ramping up the speed, when I play heavy weapons I try to avoid making enemies faster, since that is an instant loose
hybrid galleon
they have mediocre damage and such but is the most fun out of all weapon aside from guan yu's cheese
also the auto aim is still very aggressive despited i turn it off
it screws up bows and rail weapons very easily
worthy onyx
I do notice that sometimes, it does get whacky when you try to aim at a distant foe and then one jumps closer to you
hybrid galleon
yep
i lose 2 dd using rama bow omw here
heat 12
im currently just reached elysium
this is basically how frustrating to use the rama bow
mostly because you get stunlocked easily
worthy onyx
Are you playing with extra speed?
hybrid galleon
No im not
still, is mega frustrating having to deal with something that does okay damage with 3 times slower than normal bow
I do more damage in general with hera bow tbh
the only reason im not dead because i am cheesing ice wine
worthy onyx
I only struggle when extra speed is on in some way, but without the speed the bow is actually just fine for me
hybrid galleon
or else i wouldve died to em hydra aka bullet hell
worthy onyx
Are you used to playing the normal bow? Because I barely played the normal bow and only got used to the Rama aspect
viscid helm
thats like
the one thing that really got me turned off of rama aspect when i messed with it
its perfect shot timing is like...half a second ish slower than the other bow aspects
so it messed with my muscle memory lol
hybrid galleon
I can rapid power shot consistently with any other bow
rama is just frustrating
pure frustration
worthy onyx
yeah rama has different power shot timing
but you don't really have to go for the power shot with rama, it can manage with out it
viscid helm
honestly kinda wanna test
how rama does with zeus special
because that seems like it could be really dumb
worthy onyx
I once combined slow charge+multi shot+ and explosions on attack on rama, and just rapid fired at close range and used it almost like at melee range
was good damage tho
hybrid galleon
may i mention i could charge up to 40-46% of butterfly with any othe rbow
it makes it my staple bow keepsake but with rama
im in elysium, 14%
it feels so underwhelming
viscid helm
rama takes some getting used to from what i understand
and plays much differently that the other bows
worthy onyx
yeah it's not worse, it's different
viscid helm
id invest more into rama but
i like chiron too much since its just fun to get the +4 volley upgrade with like
dionsyus or demeter flourish and go to town
worthy onyx
and as far as butterfly goes, if you manage to get 40% that's nice, but rama has high base dmg and can also manage without that, you could take utility instead
hybrid galleon
if without the ice wine, idk if i can even finish asphodel
this is probably why i always hate the 4th aspect as i can never utilize all of its kit mainly because im attack spammer
stoic thicket
Boy do we have a Rail Aspect for you!
viscid helm
the only 4th aspect ive messed with i haven't like
Really wanted to learn
is guan yu
hybrid galleon
yeah, the only 4th aspect i like is Lulcifer
guan yu is so cheesy
they nerfed this thing so bad i dont wanna use it anymore
viscid helm
mainly cuz
man having to invest a lot of blood into it to not be at stupidly low hp values at the start of a run
is my main turn off
stoic thicket
They did reverse the special width nerf.
worthy onyx
I like all the secret aspects, but the aspect I like the most is the chaos shield
it's just so on point
worthy onyx
quitter
hybrid galleon
now watch me beat the whole game under 20 mins using hera bow
I managed to run out of time in elysium with this tortoise looking ass
stoic thicket
The 15% extra damage taken on Beo is unwarranted imo. It's not that strong that you gotta come around with some negative attached.
worthy onyx
I'm not talking about Beowulf tho, talking about the chaos aspect, the one where you get extra shield throws after a shieldbash
hybrid galleon
chaos aspect is gooood
its the cheese wheel
im surprised they nerfed demeter aspect but not this one
viscid helm
i think my favorite aspect so far is probably Talos
viscid helm
since Talos fixes the one issue i had with the fists
"man this gorgon is in lava and i really dont want to burn to kill it"
worthy onyx
I tend to move to a different hydra head when one is like "yo imma chill in the lava so this zagreus kid can't hit me"
hybrid galleon
i have no problem with that with demeter fist
since they are already dead with my jojo fists
viscid helm
also just
dont like demeter fist's gimmick
hybrid galleon
keep punching and press i win button?
at laest i can utilize all the kits i have unlike some weapons needs to cheese in order to be effective
or else will be garbage all around
viscid helm
yes
and also
the talos pull is fun
and also buffs your cast and punch
hybrid galleon
laughs in long & roiling knuckles
viscid helm
see
i like taking draining cutter
viscid helm
+2% max hp restored on special kill
hybrid galleon
because i swear it wasnt this short the last time i used ares shot in this new patch
that? i never used it for one reason
viscid helm
becomes very useful in 3rd and 4th areas since its got a lot of low hp enemies
hybrid galleon
i kill too fast tbh
but sure it could be useful if i actually pay attention
but whenever i play fist im on punch manic
viscid helm
i mainly take it since its free hp for pressing special in area 4
And i dont really need any of the upgrades to make talos go
hybrid galleon
yep
also honestly to make lightning rod versatile just make it targets the one who got bloodstone stuck rather than it strikes when the bloodstone is there
because right now it feels like a meme boon honestly
green plover
I got the Rail's Spread Fire on a Hammer reroll and wasn't a huge fan of it. I had Zag Aspect. I felt it required me to stand right next to the enemy to even have a chance to hit and the next fight I had was redacted, so there was no chance of standing still.
Maybe it's situational, that's why I gotta ask here whether it's good in any case or not.
leaden hare
I use Zag aspect w max level for extra ammo, and any upgrades of it seems fine for me
green plover
I get that they are trying for a shotgun conversion but that range drop is just too much I thoought.
hybrid galleon
since lucifer came here and basically is like the better version of zag rail
leaden hare
btw, spread fire is more useful against enemy with a shield, according to one of my friends
he was the master of spread fire
hybrid galleon
yes because it can went through shield which greatshield is one of the worst enemy against rails
because they can block everything including aoe which bombs from above
very cool greatshields
if we can have flamewheel release why dont we get greatshield release
leaden hare
how about Elysium release
green plover
It's damage and all is good, I think it needs a range buff. I only used it against (idk if spoilers apply here) Redacted, and noticed that I had to sort of touch them to even get a nice hit.
green plover
Anyway it was a special focussed run, so it carried me.
leaden hare
It can also be a problem when it comes to EM3 Elysium bosses, I guess
hybrid galleon
how do you special focus with rails
tbh rail is just a problem when enemies walk
rail cannot afford enemies walking or else it wont do damage
green plover
I got the self hurting hammer up. Would've preferred the triple bomb but eh, it was pretty fun too.
hybrid galleon
triple spread bomb when
green plover
Plus I got a bunch of Poseidon buffs on that.
So it took out decent chunks out of bosses as well.
Got lucky in the prev run and got an Epic spcl speed up from Hermes as well.
empty robin
Love me some Rail missiles ( forgot the name )
random hull
Aiming Special with Rail is probably far easier with KB&M.
empty robin
Best Rail hammer imo
hybrid galleon
rail rocket is better than the bomb in every way
empty robin
100 base damage is insane
hybrid galleon
bomb has longer travel time than rocket, deals less damage than rocket
very COOL ig
just my 2 cents but rocket should be base and does 60 damage
bomb should be upgrade but it deals more damage than it currently is
empty robin
It's called hammer "upgrade" for a reason tho
hybrid galleon
its called "clunky" for a reason
green plover
It would become too similar to the Bow then. Sorta an inverse bow in terms of attack and special probably.
empty robin
I use M&K so I don't have any problem with it
leaden hare
Also, the Eris aspect
empty robin
But I can see why controller players have a hard time aiming the special
green plover
I've extensively used the lob to hit foes from behind walls.
leaden hare
yes, when you use special while moving
empty robin
Interesting
empty robin
Is it tho?
empty robin
Gotta do a Lucy run to test it out then
hybrid galleon
also ultimately deals more damage than the bomb if you upgrade it
even by one level
hybrid galleon
also deals more damage than zag
HUE
the only way to make zag feels even remotely usable is with delta fire
but again, whats the point to upgrade zag if you can get delta fire
empty robin
Many people like Eris but not me
I don't like the idea of eating a special in the face to get the boost
With the Rocket and Spread Fire then cool but without them it's just arkward
hybrid galleon
i just plain dont like eris
i feel like its somehow worse than zag
and percent damage is one of the damage that doesnt get benefit much for rail
hence zeus or dionysus still have a place
empty robin
I just kinda boring compared to Hestia imo
hybrid galleon
its kind of worse in terms of damage compared to Hestia more like
empty robin
Like Nemesis, a good aspect but I never find myself wanting to use it
hybrid galleon
My hestia sniper can do 300 damage with arty can your eris do that
empty robin
Lmao
hybrid galleon
Lol
weak rivet
(coronacht)
hybrid galleon
its the cone of protection ™️
empty robin
Slap that Arty on and you have game winning build
weak rivet
i laughed so hard when i got Witch's Circle and they all killed themselves
hybrid galleon
no touch area
weak rivet
The fight was over in less than five seconds
empty robin
Athena it's best goddess for me right now
hybrid galleon
Athena would be doing that tom cruise laugh
empty robin
She carried my 32 Heat run
empty robin
Dude Athena's Dash is the best dash in the game
hybrid galleon
CAN'T TOUCH THIS
@weak rivet im gonna use that in my Nerf Athena joke
empty robin
It's too good
weak rivet
Had the two special boosting hammers so i just SPRAYED
hybrid galleon
also i think they reverted the ares shot
empty robin
Theseus has nothing on this
hybrid galleon
it is much longer than i remember on blood price first patch
empty robin
What Ares shot?
weak rivet
Theseus had a line that made me mad so i just ragemoded him hqhduf
hybrid galleon
ares blade wheel all got a huge nerf
increased damage however reduced the uptime
basically ares blade becomes good on its own
hybrid galleon
unlike its previous state which makes them so useless without hunting baes
there is no blade rift build
theres only hunting baes build
weak rivet
I like a good blender
empty robin
But there's Beowulf Blade Rift build tho
weak rivet
Nobody:
Ares: 🎡
hybrid galleon
because god i remembered when i used hunting baes on blood price first patch the blade just gone in 3 seconds im like WHY?
empty robin
And it sucks forget I said it
weak rivet
I have only played Beo once
cheese wheel
empty robin
Beo's special is S-tier tho
weak rivet
My heart belongs to stygius, exagryph, malphon and coronacht
empty robin
I hate Stygius except for Arthur
hybrid galleon
but honestly they should make cast build viable
empty robin
Excalibur too good
hybrid galleon
they nerfed so many cast builds in the past
unborn torrent
i love nemesis aspect ngl
empty robin
Amir is a fan of cast build so I doubt they'll nerf them too much
weak rivet
Im really loving Hestia lately
hybrid galleon
they did a lot of U turn when it comes to balancing honestly
Artemis gets murdered in general in blood price
empty robin
A fellow Hestia lover I see
pseudo lark
[failing miserably trying to beat 32 on Guan Yu but refusing to try any other weapon for that on principle]
weak rivet
Only now started playing it
empty robin
Hestia is bestia
hybrid galleon
i personally think they should give some interesting side boons for artemis since a lot of them turned into duo boons
like the dual shot was interesting, turned into possy and arty duo
empty robin
Lightning Rod is so weird
weak rivet
Yeah
hybrid galleon
Lightning rod is just meme
unborn torrent
yeah
weak rivet
How about a duo where every crit makes a thunder strike
hybrid galleon
zeus now has some good boon that isnt modifier
unborn torrent
i feel like artemis is fine tbh
empty robin
Yeah Dual Shot used to be +45%
weak rivet
^
hybrid galleon
@weak rivet tbh i just want it to strike the enemy that has bloodstone stuck on them
empty robin
Now it's a duo boon and it sucks
weak rivet
I just dont like lightningrod i enjoy using my casts
hybrid galleon
have you seen my 6 kidney stones aphro shot
empty robin
@weak rivet post it in #hades-feedback
hybrid galleon
12 gauge shotgun baybeeee
empty robin
That sounds good ngl
weak rivet
Bloodstones gotta bloodstone
hybrid galleon
pump your dad full o love
the Love Shotgun™️
oh and they also nerfed arty's legendary
turbid needle
I mean her pool is already completly flooded by crit and cast boons
empty robin
I think Exit Wound shouldn't be exclusive to Arty
turbid needle
she has too much stuff imo
weak rivet
Nah i think it should be
hybrid galleon
@turbid needle except exit wound and support fire, all her side boons are benefiting what she has exclusively, like crits
weak rivet
I mean isnt her pool supposed to be cast and crit
hybrid galleon
thats it
weak rivet
🏹
turbid needle
yeah thats why I think more side boons would hurt her
hybrid galleon
meanwhile if you dont like zeus
turbid needle
bc she already has too many
empty robin
I used to think Hunter's mark was bad
unborn torrent
i don't mind artemis helping out each of my builds since she's factually the best girl
weak rivet
I dont like zeus as a person his boons are fine
hybrid galleon
you can still take billow strength
empty robin
Until I get a 5100 crit on Redacted
hybrid galleon
you can take the clouded judgement
those two are the good zeus boon
that doesnt involve his garbage electric
weak rivet
I like zeus boons but i wish he was a bit more interesting
turbid needle
she has what like, 5 crit side boons, support fire, and 2 cast boons
hybrid galleon
^
turbid needle
you can slap her on most builds
unborn torrent
yeah, zeus is one of the more bland gods
empty robin
Zeus's call is S-tier tho
empty robin
It's so much DPS
turbid needle
zeus is amazing but stale idk
hybrid galleon
vig then you didnt see arty's call
unborn torrent
zeus aphrodite duo boon is one of the most fun things in the game for me
empty robin
Thunder Flourish doesn't work on Chiron tho
hybrid galleon
^
weak rivet
Press thanatos to skip phase
hybrid galleon
it only procs one
turbid needle
isn't arty call one of the least damaging ones
empty robin
It's has a lame internal delay for like 0.2 sec
weak rivet
Have you done a greater
hybrid galleon
are you kidding, you can deal up to 1500 damage and thats no crit with epic call
with crit that could go to 3000
turbid needle
someone posted a spreadsheet and she was suprisingly bad
empty robin
Yeah exactly
unborn torrent
i dont like arty call at all, i usually take athena's or zeus' call
weak rivet
Artie greater call is just 😩
viscid helm
honestly if you want a call to do damage ive found ares call kinda does that
pseudo lark
are you kidding, you can deal up to 1500 damage and thats no crit with epic call
Meanwhile, Aphodite casually deals 2500
viscid helm
specially if you go for blade boons
weak rivet
I dont like ares call
hybrid galleon
i dont really mind since im used to not having call for a long time
empty robin
Ares sucks ass man
unborn torrent
ares call sucks
weak rivet
It is great but it disorients me
hybrid galleon
@pseudo lark do mind that that is also greater call
also aprho is so much more useful without using greater call
viscid helm
the only part that i find kinda bad is the times a bit
too short
unborn torrent
i wonder how they came up with the idea of blade rift call
hybrid galleon
stunlock is better than okay damage that you can deal already
unborn torrent
"so what if we turned the player into a blade rift?"
hybrid galleon
more like beyblade call
empty robin
Yeah they should buff Arty's call now that I think about it
weak rivet
"So how was your day zag" "eh, kinda ok mate, turned into a wheel for a bit"
hybrid galleon
also ares call was actually better version of athena call back then
empty robin
Spin to win
hybrid galleon
before its uptime got nerfed significant ly
empty robin
What was old Athena's call like?
unborn torrent
"you what?"
"you know, turned into a spinning blade and ran around like a beyblade mate. Nothing unusual."
hybrid galleon
ares call was longer than athena
weak rivet
Imagine you're calling for the help of the god of war and he turns you into a wheel
hybrid galleon
and you are invincible
weak rivet
but you're a wheel
empty robin
You're not invincible now?
viscid helm
it lasts like
hybrid galleon
you are still invincible
viscid helm
1.5 seconds
hybrid galleon
but the uptime is significantly shorter now
unborn torrent
🎡
empty robin
lmao
turbid needle
hybrid galleon
it lasted 2 sec back then and it trump athena in terms of iframes
making athena call a meme
weak rivet
Okay but can you imagine how that has to feel like does Zag get vertigo from the spinning when he goes back to normal
hybrid galleon
but now that ares call has reduced uptime but deals okay damage ig
empty robin
Imagine Athena's call being a meme
hybrid galleon
it makes athena's longer uptime a better defensive call as it should've
empty robin
Everything else must be S-tier back then
hybrid galleon
@empty robin youve never seen chiron's 12 shot cheese
that got nerfed into today's shadow form
empty robin
What was it like
empty robin
You can't take Relentless volley on Chiron anymore?
viscid helm
i mean you can get 11 cant you
since 7+4
unborn torrent
damn
empty robin
Noooo'
unborn torrent
i tried out chiron today for the first time
empty robin
I did not know that
hybrid galleon
if you think chiron is cheesy, back then it got even extra cheesier
unborn torrent
it wasnt good
hybrid galleon
@viscid helm back then bow had 15 shot special adding the hammer
viscid helm
i mean 11 shots is more than enough
viscid helm
take demeter special
get the 10 stack chill boon
profit
unborn torrent
i had +70% from chaos for specials, + 4 arrows, lv 6 artemis special, clean kill and the extra crit chance boon
hybrid galleon
Arctic blast also got nerfed
unborn torrent
it should have annhialated redacted
hybrid galleon
it still kinda is one thing that makes chiron usable
empty robin
In terms of appearance I think the Chiron bow is the most good looking based Aspect
unborn torrent
it was just fine
hybrid galleon
or else chiron will be obliterated in terms of power
and even that got nerfed 
arctic blast does less damage
hybrid galleon
Also @viscid helm do not forget chiron cannot take + arrowletts
so you are stuck with 7
viscid helm
yes it can
the only limitation on relentless volley
is you cant take it with charged volley
hybrid galleon
oh wait yeah
forgot bout that woops
charged volley was also mega stupid on chiron too
viscid helm
which
aspect of chiron is incompatiable with the charged volley
empty robin
You had me worried for a while there
hybrid galleon
WOO
empty robin
I got spooked
empty robin
Anything Charged is stupid
hybrid galleon
tldr; chiron was very cheesy and now its former shadow of itself
empty robin
Look at Beowulf's Charged Throw
hybrid galleon
i never liked charged volley tbh
hybrid galleon
the YEET
viscid helm
flurry relentless is the upgrades i tend to aim for on chiron
hybrid galleon
yeah thats the optimal ones
because you dont really deal damage with attack anywya
but i still dislike flurry for one reason that might not be problem with others but me
empty robin
Guys I have question
hybrid galleon
because it lost its pointer, i kinda unable to hit anything anymore
empty robin
Since when did they changed Chain Shot to not bounce off walls anymore
viscid helm
also tend to build like demeter/ares
since curse of pain frost flourish is a good way to get statuses going and add in extra damage to your attack
hybrid galleon
hence i always miss with rail because the pointer isnt there
and i dont really aim at my enemy with the cursor on them
rather i either just aim in a general direction be it over enemies or under enemies
empty robin
I used to Triple Shot+Chain Shot but now I can't
hybrid galleon
who use triple shot
empty robin
I use it as a pseudo shotgun
hybrid galleon
i rather take something that makes me kill faster like pointblank dual perfect or whatever
if only the triple shot has tighter spread
but eh that would mean point blank shot will be basically useless
i personally dont really need perfect since uh, dual shot is better
also if you need close range dual shot is better at that
oh and while we are talking about bow
rama bow pisses me off
sure i can get away without powershot but i hate that i cant do powershot
viscid helm
then...practice the timing?
hybrid galleon
also slow clunky weapon for damage that cant even rival aspect of truck?
eh
I can rapid powershot with any other bow except rama
i tried but its not worth it
so much stagger is susceptible on rama
you could just get stagger to death and still cant fire a single shot
viscid helm
i mean
if your in a situation where you let yourself get staggered to death
you
probably deserve the death
hybrid galleon
the joke is that i didnt let myself staggered to death
also probably not death but its inconvinent suddenly oh there goes your 50 hp
viscid helm
considering ramas thing isnt single target but rather tearing through groups
hence why it special ricochets
hybrid galleon
suddenly EM is a problem now woo cause this weapon SUCKS ass in bullet hell fight
viscid helm
and spreads damage across a group
hybrid galleon
idk how people are calling rama a group weapon even tho all its damage come across slower than even zag bow
viscid helm
its a wide shot
that if you hit multiple enemies with
will spread that damage out across the group more if youve used the special a couple times to get the curse of suffering on the group
hybrid galleon
idk, but ive kind of used to clean groups by dash strike around with bow
but rama? i cant do that, because haha punish me for standing still to draw
to do even some damage
oh and i get less damage increase with rama bow when equipping the butterfly so that's something
its a lot harder to not get hit with rama bow honestly
narrow rampart
dash attack feels way worse on rama bow
hybrid galleon
^
grizzled lintel
What companions do you guys like the most?
hybrid galleon
the rocc
mainly because i can still use it on final boss
and while it does feel inaccurate but so does any companions anyway, im here only for the heals it provides
empty robin
Yeah shady is good
I think Skelly would have been a good alternative if not for the fact that he's buggy AF
weak rivet
I use battie, mort and shady
Because getting to see than and meg is a buff to my morale
hybrid galleon
if only i can use it on final boss
but bouldy has thicc body that both of them cant rival
weak rivet
I'm not into that
I enjoy being sassed when i use them twice within two rooms
XD
Than: ah helped zag lets go back t-gets yoinked again
hybrid galleon
tbh i wouldnt say than helped
due to his slow ass rate to charge up his area damage
hybrid galleon
its like the equivalent of that tuxedo mask and sailor moon scene
that tuxedo mask says "my job here is done" and sailor moon said "you didnt do anything"
weak rivet
When asterius runs out of the ded zone
hybrid galleon
dead zone?
watch me commit felony of destroying theseus first instead of asterius
grizzled lintel
Can’t wait to unlock thans
hybrid galleon
Thansgiving
grizzled lintel
Given him everything just need to do whatever his favor entails
Idk what I have to do to prove myself
weak rivet
||Just keep talking to him||
weak rivet
He's shy
clear dome
depends
the battie deals 1500 in a line, but the circles can overlap, so max damage can go upto 3000
the morty deals 2500 damage, but there is only 1 hitbox
grizzled lintel
Nice
random hull
Shady does 1000. Fidi does 70 per hit. Antos does 1500 each against two enemies or against one target if there is only one. (Wiki information, could be outdated)
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In any case, considering the area and speed of Battie, the potential for damage added over all targets is the greatest, but against a single target, it's different.
clear dome
single target damg for battie can still be highest if the enemy move to a spot that 2 circles overlap
random hull
Apparently, that can be pulled off with good reliability against the Elysium Heroes at the very start, but is rare otherwise.
ember pumice
I've noticed that people seem to think Lightning Rod is the worst duo. I don't really understand why.
Unless my build is strongly focused around my cast, I'm usually happy to pick it up.
clear dome
well, it depends on the boss to stay still, so its really only good against hydra
against other bosses its just, if it hits it hits
ember pumice
Well, yeah, you won't get the full 200 dps against anything that moves, but if you lead the enemies into it it's still respectable damage.
clear dome
but, duos are usually stupid good, so compared to other duos it is truly the worst, its not a bad boon overall tho
random hull
Lightning Rod is only compatible with Infernal Soul, which in turn means that you would normally want to retrieve your Bloodstones fast. Going with a fire-and-forget approach doesn't fit most playstyles. Also, depending on the chamber geography, it isn't necessarily a given that they even end up near an enemy to do consistent damage.
Still, there are a few interesting interactions.
A combination with Trippy Shot allows deliberate placement. Exit Wounds to decrease the "stuck time" are also a possibility.
clear dome
most boons that decrease movement speed is good, like chill, killing freeze, or numbing sensation
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For example: Poseidon Aspect + True Shot + Exit Wounds + Lightning Rod. Fire all casts, special, trigger Exit Wounds, let Lightning Rod strike once, retrieve casts, repeat.
Yesterday someone noticed that Scintillating Feast bolts are modified by cast damage bonuses, so the same could be true for Lightning Rod bolts, but that needs to be tested.
ember pumice
Good to know Scintillating Feast still breaks the game...
random hull
Now that is a top tier Duo boon. Easy to reach, good synergy, never fails to impress.
clear dome
its not that good, when you put down the fog there is no saying that the enemy will stay in when the stun wears off
random hull
With Infernal Soul and/or extra casts, it is possible to cover a very large area, and then there is the added possibility of Ice Wine.
clear dome
well, poseidon attck or high knockback attacks can mitigate that
random hull
They took out Smoke Screen over the course of the beta. That was a little too much.
clear dome
what is smoke screen?
random hull
An earlier version of the Athena/Dionysus duo boon which also gave projectile-blocking properties to Festive Fog at the expense of area.
clear dome
i see why its cut now
versed bluff
just tried a zeus build missarebly failed just got past hades with face tanking shield only 3 heat not that hard
any tips for zeus?
red hound
if its the one i saw in victory boasting
zeus is supposed to be special, not attack
wait
wrong one
u didnt have a privileged status proc @versed bluff
some use aphro for the proc as well as the duo boon
clear dome
dont privileged status, use the other one, its more consistent
barren otter
Had two good cast runs in a row, but I just can't get Artemis' legendary no matter what I try. It's honestly much much easier to get "fully loaded" just by getting additional casts from Chaos, which I did on the first of those two runs.
Both runs I managed to get Exit Wounds, Hunter's Mark and Support Fire, but after that either no luck with fated persuasion rerolls or just not enough Artemis boons in Styx. I did have +10% legendary/duo chance from the mirror too.
It's the only legendary I haven't gotten yet and I have over 100 runs total already.
And I had like 6 runs when I was going for this legendary before that too.
red hound
the wiki says u only need 2/3
i guess u were just unlucky?
i dont usually roll for artie legendary so idk
barren otter
Should I be trying to force her to show up more with fated authority rerolls or should I keep trying to reroll her boons with fated persuasion?
barren otter
Yeah, they aren't difficult to get, but even after getting them, no luck with legendary at all.
acoustic venture
I have struggled to get any legendary at all
I only got Aphrodite's and Athena's by pure luck, wasn't even trying for em
stuck elbow
there are cheat sheets for what you need in terms of getting the boons, albeit the wiki hasn't updated them to blood price yet so some stuff might be a smidge outdated
barren otter
I got every other legendary without even looking up their requirements
acoustic venture
also might be a newbie question but are only 2 of the companions usable in redacted's fight?
barren otter
Actually you can't use ||Rib when fighting|| ||Charon||
dusky grove
Lucifer sounds cool, working on getting it. Anyone got any reviews ?
acoustic venture
im having trouble unlocking Shady
acoustic venture
I didn't like the feel of lucifer in comparison to the other guns, and felt like it was doing less as well, but ive been wrong on numbers before
stuck elbow
it's definitely an acquired taste with its ramp damage mechanic
hybrid galleon
Freezing Vortex is so bad
along with cold embrace, it felt like its just there to make a combination
but lacks the substance to make it good
also please buff mirage shot it is so pathetic in its form rn
and im very sad.
stuck elbow
Ngl, I wouldn’t mind them reintroducing Duo Shot and making the Poseidon/Artemis duo something a bit more interesting
hybrid galleon
^
Artemis now is basically poseidon
before the patch
poseidon is strong, however he is only strong with the duos he gets
Artemis now lacks a lot of unique side boon compared to other gods
for example, if you hate zeus modifer, you can take his billowing strength and clouded judgement
both are VERY powerful imho
stuck elbow
Yeah it’s kinda weird how she sorta just exists to boost another god. Her Duo with Ares is slicing shot focused, her Duo with Athena is centered around Athena’s Deflect Mechanic, her Duo with Demeter is all about Crystal shot
Maybe something that makes Artemis the primary skill set
Eg a new duo with Poseidon where crits cause knock back maybe
void fjord
i would love the aphrodite zeus duo to increase to 50%
stuck elbow
So you can benefit from rupture
hybrid galleon
but Artemis aside from exit wounds or support fire, which god damn, both are so weak right now, all her side boons benefits her own boon
and doesnt synergize with anything else
unlike billowing strength and clouded judgement synergize with any other thing
void fjord
its like artemis and poseidon got put on the sidelines relating to boons
stuck elbow
tbh Poseidon at least has Sea Storm
hybrid galleon
yeah
stuck elbow
where its Poseidon's stuff suddenly benefiting from all of Zeus's lighting boosts
void fjord
sea storm is really only worth with tidal dash tbh
hybrid galleon
also his support boon was amazing already
void fjord
or special
hybrid galleon
but its just his any other boon isnt worth for him to stay
unless you plan to one trick him
or have his duo
now that you have boiling point
its something else to keep him around
sunken treasure for the bling bling suddenly has more value
stuck elbow
IDK, Sea Storm allows for baked in Privileged Status
hybrid galleon
but artemis? Artemis has nothing for her to get kept around
stuck elbow
as a single attack or special focused build can get rupture and jolted
which imo is nice on some attack focused setups
hybrid galleon
which may i just say
void fjord
artemis is really only useful if ur using the hera aspect
hybrid galleon
her side boon that doesnt benefit crit are all tier 2
aka support fire/exit wounds
i think they should be tier 1
all gods should have some point of offense + defense which will make the dynamic interesting
void fjord
or with the fists as the main attack since u keep on punching ur bound to crit
hybrid galleon
they said before they weren't going to add all combination duo
but here we are, having all gods have duo to each other
void fjord
lol yea
hybrid galleon
but ofc some of them are still kind of lack luster compared to others
which god i know love triangle is really really OP
which shouldnt come back
void fjord
whats ur fav duo boons btw?
hybrid galleon
makes the blade slower by half and smaller, and only adds...
hybrid galleon
something you can get like 100 stacks easily on a lot of weapons
chill isnt that useful in bosses
or in enemies
its just there to abuse the PS
or arctic blast really
void fjord
especially with lowtolerance
hybrid galleon
but arctic blast does it better if you want raw damage
void fjord
true
hybrid galleon
at least demeter made up for some really stupid damage percentage
if you dont have love mom
love mom and frozen grandma = ABUSE THE PS
but demeter imho
has the best legendary
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which also is synergizable with anything else
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basically things that can synergize with something else is a good thing, in my book
i dislike when the something people sought to which took a while to get only benefits its own category
hybrid galleon
hence why i kinda dislike one tricking but only do it for fun because haha i beat dad with one god
void fjord
not only like one aspect
hybrid galleon
i actually have a lineup of vids still in making but gah im so busy
its basically modded run that i only run one god
and the video is basically called "Nerf X god"
void fjord
cool
hybrid galleon
Tbh there was a joke where Zeus was terrible
which the video name will be called "Buff Zeus"
with artemis pre blood price and athena t pose over zeus as thumbnail
errant narwhal
@broken charm check the pins in #h1-story-discussion
hybrid galleon
but now blood price zeus is so good now ig im gonna remake the whole video
hybrid galleon
No Warmth For The Bitter Cold
rare kayak
but chill sucks in hades fight
hybrid galleon
this is why grandma is so angry
rare kayak
cant see anything
hybrid galleon
how?
rare kayak
white on white is not a good look
errant narwhal
there are instructions on how to get all of them there, spoilered for your convenience
broken charm
ive already done all of those things but i dont have it?
rare kayak
ive gotten hit a couple of times because hades was standing in the middle of the arena and he was chilled so i couldnt tell what he was telegraphing
hybrid galleon
hes blue though
not white
but i get you
i personally get vision blinded by stuffs a lot of times
rare kayak
it really blends in on the bright parts of the snow
void fjord
@broken charm keep on talkin to achilles i think
hybrid galleon
zeus run, more like close my eyes and run
rare kayak
doesnt help that cold fusion is like one of the best duos in the game
void fjord
i dont like zeus boons
rare kayak
you will
hybrid galleon
zeus has made a better impression only since blood price
because he got so much support boons now
rare kayak
after your first cold fusion run theres no going back
void fjord
hmm maybe
rare kayak
oh baby jolted
void fjord
i think i ll do a zeus run then tmr
hybrid galleon
jolted is... okay
rare kayak
10 second jolted and pump every pom into jolted
void fjord
i think rupture is better than jolted tbh
hybrid galleon
jolted is very dependable
rare kayak
it is but cold fusion jolted is so good
hybrid galleon
for bosses jolted run them over
hybrid galleon
but if i already used like electric attack
why bother having that
since i can reapply it so easily
void fjord
oh guys what do you think of the duo vengeful mood
hybrid galleon
very versatile
rare kayak
i usually go electric special chill dash and something else on attack
hybrid galleon
since zeus also has one of the highest damage revenge boon
and hey free damage is something
rare kayak
vengeful mood is a fickle duo boon
you really want it early so you can build around it
hybrid galleon
^
void fjord
i usually plan ahead for it
hybrid galleon
there's your 4 god combo
rare kayak
like yes its very good but if you get it in styx you’ll have a rough time before that
void fjord
tru tru
hybrid galleon
^
rare kayak
because you spent four boon slots on revenge boons
hybrid galleon
yeah
rare kayak
can run five if you’re lucky
void fjord
i prefer demeter cause it chills
hybrid galleon
infact i think demeter is good with one tricking her
rare kayak
and have god keepsakes
void fjord
athena has no status effect if i aint mistaken
rare kayak
increased backstab damage
hybrid galleon
which i might say can be a liiiittle niche
rare kayak
its a really strong multiplier too
hybrid galleon
but hey most of my backstab happen in accident
void fjord
with the revenge boon i mean
void fjord
i know abt exposed
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Holy Shield
void fjord
yea guan yu with athena atk is bae
hybrid galleon
more like
rare kayak
mmm but
hybrid galleon
🧀
hybrid galleon
again
basically make artemis stronger
but again still doesnt take away my point of artemis needs other to be strong
she is okay alone
but gosh i want to see her as a support boon
void fjord
yea and technically the poseidon aspect sword is better for high crit hits
hybrid galleon
since they already broke the ice of possy and dio was support oriented
and now they are much more versatile
in each of their own
here are the duos i think are terrible
Cold Embrace, Freezing Vortex, Lightning Rod, Mirage Shot
Maaaybe Curse of Drowning
rare kayak
lightning rod isnt terrible
void fjord
its literally a boon made for purging
rare kayak
if youre not running a cast build it can be useful
hybrid galleon
Lightning rod is too niche to exist
rare kayak
i run stygian soul so i cant really comment i guess
void fjord
ohh i didnt realixe between updates
rare kayak
but when i did get it for the flomp
it was decent for just forgetting about casts
and leaving it there
hybrid galleon
eh
hybrid galleon
the problem is that this game will hate you for not casting
rare kayak
freezing vortex is ok
void fjord
if ur focusing on an atk build
hybrid galleon
because casting ultimately does more damage
hybrid galleon
You better take hunting baes for the same damn thing
rare kayak
well yeah like
every blade cast run is predicated on hunting blades
without it your damage is basically 0
comparatively anyway
void fjord
plus ares legendary
acoustic venture
holy exploding launcher is good
hybrid galleon
you dont need to keep the enemies if you can kill them efficiently 🙂
void fjord
thoughts on crystal clarity?
rare kayak
why are you taking demeter cast
hybrid galleon
but hey if you really wanna meme
rare kayak
basically
hybrid galleon
its something
rare kayak
it did get buffed with the chill t2 but its still suck
hybrid galleon
oh and back to lightning rod
acoustic venture
I feel like Demeter cast would be waaaay better if it chilled on pick up
rather than with extra boon
void fjord
lighting rod doesn't stack with demeters boon right?
rare kayak
i mean its keeping with the theme for gods with t1 status not having a status cast
hybrid galleon
I personally think lightning rod would make more sense if the enemy that got bloodstone stuck on them gets thunderstrike rather than left it around there
rare kayak
except aphro i guess
void fjord
yes
unkempt pagoda
why wouldn't it, it drops a bloodstone
rare kayak
plus demeter cast does at least apply chill pretty effectively once you get the boon
once or twice until the enemy runs out of the way
cunning urchin
@barren otter when hunting for specific t2 or t3 boons, it's important to fill your core slots because those get priority when boons are offered (except Call, but you should fill that one anyway to drastically reduce the odds of being offered that).
rare kayak
yeah thats a good one
void fjord
crystal clarity is essentially a homing laser though if have the chill effect
hybrid galleon
dio call for example
hybrid galleon
athena call is actually good
rare kayak
bruh the damage on dio call....
cunning urchin
Athena's Aid is great.
void fjord
athena call hands down worst call
unkempt pagoda
athena and dio calls are great lol
acoustic venture
Dio call is actually busted
acoustic venture
I had my doubts but then I tried it in a run and damn
hybrid galleon
the damage is so limited
cunning urchin
Athena's Aid has carried a lot of high heat runs. Don't underestimate it.
hybrid galleon
i could do more damage myself
hybrid galleon
with other calls, of course
hybrid galleon
Demeter call is just... there
acoustic venture
Dio call is busted, IF, you dont already have hangover
unkempt pagoda
athena aid is your panic button if you know you're about to be hit
cunning urchin
Dionysus' Aid does by far the best AOE damage of any Call. The rest are not even close.
rare kayak
man demeter call is... weird
void fjord
i dont know i just prefer her dash or attack and physically deflect attacks
acoustic venture
Demeter call, it slow, it exist
unkempt pagoda
demeter call is a placeable aoe that maxes out chill very quickly
rare kayak
demeter call and her trial are the exact same thing but one is so much worse than the other
acoustic venture
its good for favor i guess?
hybrid galleon
@cunning urchin i guess because you can spread the poison super fast, but again im mega biased against dionysus in general due to how limited his poison damage are
rare kayak
i can see synergy between call and icy burst though but id really rather run almost any other call
doesnt help that demeter’s call destroys my computer
void fjord
i personally prefer dio call or artemis call
acoustic venture
Aphro call stronk
rare kayak
oh baby aphro call
hybrid galleon
Aphro call more like stunlock god
cunning urchin
acoustic venture
just instantly pops any phase
void fjord
for raw dmg thats tru
hybrid galleon
she will benchpress ||hades|| with her thighs
rare kayak
oh baby
hybrid galleon
Artemis also has the press F to skip phase call
acoustic venture
Yeah Aphro makes Asterius & Theseus a joke
hybrid galleon
stunlock is gooooog
rare kayak
artemis call is pretty low damage iirc unless you have good crit rolls
cunning urchin
Artemis' Aid is weak without t2 crit boons.
rare kayak
plus its not really that good on its own too
hybrid galleon
@rare kayak good because i have good crit rolls
rare kayak
needs a full call to be really strong
hybrid galleon
yea i practically only use full call which is fine by me, honestly
cunning urchin
And even then, only her Greater Call is any good.
cunning urchin
So you lose a lot in regular chambers by taking that over any other call.
acoustic venture
I still feel like poseidon's call shouldnt be blocked by theseus
rare kayak
even ares has a pretty good call now, his damage on his call is really good post buff
acoustic venture
even Ares' lesser call doles out the damage
rare kayak
plus it doesnt give me massive anxiety on td anymore
hybrid galleon
td?
acoustic venture
its great
rare kayak
it does when ares call lasts eight years and does about six damage total
acoustic venture
I'm only up to like 6 heat, no need to touch TD yet
hybrid galleon
@rare kayak this is why i used it as a better version of athena call before blood price haha
void fjord
bow and shield i feel lik are horrible against tight dedline
acoustic venture
rather mess with EM, HL, and CP
hybrid galleon
smh
cunning urchin
Demeter's Aid has the largest AOE by far, so you shouldn't underestimate its damage too much.
hybrid galleon
do it
cunning urchin
It's the only Call that can easily hit all of EM Lernie's heads, for example.
acoustic venture
no idea what I should take for 32 though
hybrid galleon
or else i will bench press you with the power of Weebphrodite
void fjord
im currently 11 heat spear
void fjord
should i jump directly to 32?
hybrid galleon
void fjord
or ares specia;
acoustic venture
do bounties up to 20, then jump to 32
is what im doing
bc that way you get all the rewards
void fjord
ok ty
hybrid galleon
i kinda dont care
rare kayak
trust me
hybrid galleon
rn im 19 on everything
acoustic venture
no booli guys 
cunning urchin
I've never had that kind of problem with Theseus blocking all of Poseidon's Aid.
void fjord
wont ilose bounties?
hybrid galleon
its over the age of consent haha
acoustic venture
nah itll just give you the bounties for 11 heat
hybrid galleon
^
rare kayak
ive always had the problem with poseidon’s aid with just controlling it
hybrid galleon
same
rare kayak
i run 20 heat at 5 heat bounties because im lazy to micromanage my pact