Not sure if I was just using it wrong or something
#h1-builds-and-combat
sacred idol
cunning urchin
It doing less damage perhaps to bosses than something else doesn't mean it needs more damage to win that fight.
sacred idol
Or trying to yeet elites in full armor...
sterile portal
Tempest Strike, the attack, is the only % damage increase attack boon that does 30%. It has the lowest base damage increase (outside of artemis who comes with crit), alongside an average to actively hurtful secondary effect of knockback
sterile portal
Even where it's supposed to shine, it falls short as an attack boon, especially when compared to athena or demeter
I really don't see why there's such heavy argument against a buff to a weaker boon to make it more equivalent to other boons
naive tusk
Aw, I don't have it but it was on the Special. Try Chiron with Tempest Flourish, it knocks bosses away a decent distance.
sacred idol
Is its secondary effect so powerful as to actively justify it? Artemis' can be because crits have extremely high bonuses
naive tusk
Since each arrow applies knockback.
sacred idol
@naive tusk that's exactly what I tried and it did almost nothing, maybe I used it the wrong way or on the wrong enemy or ran into a bug
cunning urchin
@naive tusk I'm tempted to do 32 when I use Tempest Strike on Malphon next time now actually after all this looking down on Uncle Poseidon in the chat. 
sacred idol
I'll retry.
sterile portal
Poseidon special is fine damage, if not "too much"
naive tusk
Get Relentless Volley and watch them moonwalk lol
sacred idol
@cunning urchin not looking down on him, I did mention most of his boons are in a great place now
sterile portal
Nyaa I'd love to see you do 40+, not even as a challenge
just mostly interested to see how it works
cunning urchin
40+ with Tempest Strike?
sacred idol
I love Poseidon's boons in this patch in all other respects except the Huge Catch double prereq and the 30% base on attack
sterile portal
Side note, unlike aphro or demeter who apply a lasting curse baseline with their boon, poseidon doesn't
yeah, with tempest
sacred idol
Because all his other stuff has been amazing for me
sterile portal
sea daddy just needs a little love on his attack
frank tide
only worthy poseidon boon is huge catch
cunning urchin
I don't think that's something worth trying lol.
sacred idol
Tempest flourish was nuts in my last run with it.
sterile portal
well why not?
sacred idol
And his support ones are in a very good place
cunning urchin
It doesn't have the consistency for 40+.
sacred idol
Tempest flourish is excellent
cunning urchin
Which still isn't an argument for a buff.
sacred idol
I always loved putting it on the rail special for water bombs
sterile portal
Alright, before we keep talking about this, do you at least see my point even a little?
cunning urchin
There are like 10 people doing 40+.
sacred idol
...okay, so, what's the argument for being so adamantly anti-buff
Like, would it be harmful
cunning urchin
It works just fine on lower heats where you don't have to deal with AP and UC etc.
sterile portal
Nyaa, Hades spear works fine on lower heats
sacred idol
It's less "why" and "why not" at this point, technically everything is fine at lower heats
But it wouldn't break anything
sterile portal
Chaos shield blindfolded works fine at lower heats
sacred idol
At like 60% it probably would.
But 40% is a "why not" to me
Unless it would specifically be broken with something
...I mean, maybe with Lucifer.
sterile portal
It's a boon that's actively avoided on things like sword/fists, not good on shield, spear is spear, and bow/rail have better options
sacred idol
Seeing as if you get legendary and duo it just about outperforms zeus attack
Lucifer electric firehose does seem to be scary, but that's true of most stuff you can yeet onto the death ray
sterile portal
I could also bring up how poseidon's duos in general are on the weaker side, but that's a separate discussion
cunning urchin
Tempest Strike is a slow starter that can get very very silly when things fall into the right place, and a lot of fun. That's what it's supposed to be. It's not supposed to be Heartbreak Strike #2.
I think his Duo Boons are great.
Blizzard Shot is insane.
sterile portal
Would buffing it from 30% to 40% base damage turn it into heartbreak strike #2?
sterile portal
That's fair I did forget blizz shot
Was talking more about sweet nectar/exclusive access
sacred idol
I think there are exactly two things I want changed on him as he is now
sterile portal
but again, a different discussion for a different time
cunning urchin
It's not a very necessary buff.
sterile portal
Calling it "heartbreak strike #2" is a huge exaggeration however.
I'm not saying "hey prioritize this change over literally everything"
sacred idol
It wouldn't break the bank, but in hindsight I overstated its importance before
sterile portal
i'm saying "hey when you get the chance, moving poseidon damage to be on a more viable level would be appreciated"
sacred idol
So yeah, it's just... throw it in, it won't break anything
Rest of his stuff is just good times
Blizzard shot is nuts... the stuff like nectar and exclusive can be great if you get it early
cunning urchin
The initial argument was never about your feedback but @sacred idol's.
sterile portal
i still believe blizz shot and most cast duo boons are busted, but that's different
sacred idol
Which I just said I've shifted position on somewhat
naive tusk
Ok, I'm about to face a Fury. Let me record this 
sacred idol
Eh, whatev. I edited it, directing people to just go look at firespirit's instead
Lmao
sterile portal
I'm personally not arguing for felis's feedback, that's pushing it too far lol
cunning urchin
I'm pretty sure I upvoted yours about buffing it by a little bit.
sacred idol
Better thought out
Should I just delete that one, seeing as it's no longer what I actually want
sterile portal
It sounds like we're all on the same page on this, and just going in circles by now
sacred idol
After rethinking it
naive tusk
Okay...
sterile portal
Ping me when you finish recording, peach!
sacred idol
Eh, I probably should. Fire's should get the upvotes lmao
cunning urchin
Not on the same page because I don't think it needs a buff. I just think it could be fun if it got one, and 10% doesn't seem gamebreaking.
naive tusk
It's just a recording of how Tissy is slippering around LOL
Want me to record the whole fight?
sacred idol
...I mean, that's what I said most recently
sterile portal
Sure, I'm interested in seeing you play
sacred idol
I overstated its necessity at first and have changed my mind accordingly @cunning urchin
It's a nice to have
naive tusk
OK! I will record the whole fight 
naive tusk
I miss you too, Foxy 
sacred idol
Now I want to try more flourish runs though
sterile portal
And alright, if you want nyaa we can keep talking about this in a bit but a) should probably move to dms as we're crowding the chat and b) I need to finish vacuuming/mopping the bathroom first
sacred idol
Retry chiron
Maybe I tried it on armored enemies like a dope and forgot they have knockback resist.
cunning urchin
I should be asleep 6 hours ago or something.
sacred idol
It has been like 2+ months.
cunning urchin
So I'll pass on DMs lol.
naive tusk
@sacred idol @sterile portal @cunning urchin I present you Tissy on the dancefloor 
https://streamable.com/eefwep
naive tusk
Told ya 
sacred idol
Stupid armor stacks
Fish daddy good
Seriously though, malphon with the flourish is hilarious either way
Wish I had blood for talos to try the dash meme
Unfortunately skint due to lucy eating my stock. Is it okay with halfassed levels?
Dem is level 2, lmao
cunning urchin
People always think you can't knockback bosses for some reason, I think. You just gotta try harder. Poseidon builds can be so much fun lol.
sacred idol
Well, on many weapons you can't reliably do it
It needs the right aspect and then you apply the meme machine
It's some bizarre amount of reduction that is not 100%
But probably like, 90%
I used to wall slam Meg, was pretty funny.
...dammit, Lernie, why you gotta be immune to physics AND backstab though
Heads have backs, dammit
hushed ledge
diiiiiid i just see an explosive upper buff????
sacred idol
...yes, apparently
cunning urchin
You can always add Tidal Dash for extra waves.
hushed ledge
demeter time baby
sacred idol
I need a lot of malph hammers for the prophecy
Will get to have some fun with buffs I guess
Rush kick is fun.
I had poseidon flourish with rush kick the other day
Teleporting yeet foot
cunning urchin
Do a full Poseidon build when you do that.
sacred idol
Someday
Especially if I get talos maxed
Because fun with physics maximized
Okay, so, one thing I don't understand.
That new boon that gives casts backstab damage
Does it need you to hit the back
Or does it make cast hits always get backstab damage?
Like if you get it does shadow presence become a permanent cast buff, or do you have to shoot the butt
naive tusk
Does anyone else want to watch the rest of the Tissy fight or just Fire?
cunning urchin
@sacred idol you still need to hit enemies in the back. But they get any and all backstab bonus you have. Normally casts don't backstab at all.
hushed ledge
I've realised just how much I love all the intricacies in this game afdskjhds
the tiny parts of builds that let you choose how you want to play every single run
naive tusk
Parting Shot is great when playing with Aspect of Poseidon.
cunning urchin
Should be strong on Achilles Aspect, too.
naive tusk
That's right. I wonder how it would interact with Beowulf 
cunning urchin
It takes you right behind enemies with a +150% bonus and all the backstab bonus you have.
naive tusk
You might need to charge past enemies to trigger the blast on their backs.
sterile portal
I'm curious how parting shot works with tipsy shot
cunning urchin
Now my only wish is that Crush Shot becomes Shatter Shot again, so I can backstab everyone with it. 
sacred idol
Oh boy
civic barn
crush is around the range of what 130?
cunning urchin
Shatter Shot had the same range but was 5 hits and had much better damage on higher rarities, and I think better scaling from poms.
civic barn
if you can get exposed and parting shot that's like ~100% boost?
it doesn't overlap though right
if i remember righ
just trying to guess how much damage it would be if it was still shatter shot
since i don't think they lowered the damage for it and just changed the properties
oh another 50% if you run shadow huh
cunning urchin
Damage was nerfed quite a lot.
civic barn
was it that much higher?
cunning urchin
Yeah.
civic barn
they took out shatter in nighty night right
cunning urchin
I used Shatter Shot in most of my runs before that.
fickle hull
I'm finding the Hestia Rail aspect to be thoroughly underwhelming. Do you need the shotgun hammer upgrade to really get anything out of it?
turbid needle
Shotgun doesn't work with Hestia.
fickle hull
Active reloads are like pure #feelsbad gameplay. How do I make the most of the aspect?
turbid needle
What level is your Hestia?
fickle hull
- It's not the output that bothers me, it's the flow of it all.
turbid needle
Can't help you there, then.
It was widely considered Exagryph's best Aspect.
I prefer Eris and the 4th Aspect, though.
fickle hull
Is there any hammer upgrades that reduce your clip and still work with Hestia?
civic barn
hm i'm finding videos of shatter shot and they're about the same damage range as it is now
turbid needle
No.
civic barn
like rare is 99
turbid needle
In that case, automatic reloads don't proc Hestia's bonus.
You have to press the Reload button.
civic barn
am i looking at the wrong patches? this is fairly close to how i remember it though
turbid needle
That sounds right, Skal.
civic barn
what was nyaa talking about earlier then?
primal cape
shotgun does work with hestia however it's not a good combo
civic barn
was it like a earlier patch
fickle hull
So the only way to get your oomph out of it is to upgrade it to 5 and then active reload like a madman. Apparently it's gears of war time.
primal cape
hestia does not require any hammer to be good
a way to make it more effective is using % bonuses on attack like poseideon, athena, aphro
the best hammer with it though is piercing shot
fickle hull
That makes sense.
turbid needle
I'd say Richochet Shot competes with Piercing Shot.
sacred idol
@civic barn maybe hit count
primal cape
I've never used richochet shot with hestia, just rng
turbid needle
I agree with Ex, don't use Zeus, Dionysus, or Ares, but you want Aphrodite or Artemis, not Poseidon. Poseidon is a bad pick almost every time for a Strike boon.
primal cape
Poseideon probably isn't the best pickup but it's definitely fun
turbid needle
I got to try Ricochet Shot once, it's pretty fun.
fickle hull
strike boon?
civic barn
anways, so if it is around that damage range, say you got 100 x(1+.25+.75+.5), is that right? If we count family/privilege it's another 20-40%, what else can we stack on there
shatter shot didn't overlap its damage though if i remember right Felis
at least not in the steam versions
as far as I remember
primal cape
shatter shot I think does but the snipe far outrangers shatter shots range
at the very least shatter shot applies for every non snipe auto
civic barn
hm slightly confused there; snipe for shatter shot?
primal cape
i meant spread fire not shatter shot
civic barn
oh the hestia discussion; sorry I wasn't talking about it, sorry for polluting the conversation
I was talking about the old aphrodite cast
primal cape
Ah I definitely prefer old aphro cast however
the sweet spot on it wasn't consistent in my experience
sometimes tipper ranging it would do the most damage and sometimes shotgunning it would
civic barn
oh poseidon or talos aspect would give it another 40-50%
hmmm I don't remember if that was the case, but okay, assuming you two are correct, i'm guessing it was x6 at most
dry ember
what's the duo between Ares and Artemis?
civic barn
hunting blades?
civic barn
the one that makes the demeter cast turn faster
turbid needle
Crystal Clarity, slight damage buff and much more powerful homing for Crystal Beam.
dry ember
is that crystal clarity?
primal cape
yeah
civic barn
so 100 x (100+25+75+50+50+40)% x 6 = 2040 🤔
and if you run triple cast that's in the range of 6k damage if you are really close
primal cape
Yeah though I prefer hunting blades as demeter cast always feels awkawrd to use
having the casts be in the middle of nowhere vs direcfly on an enemy makes difference to my happiness
opal ginkgo
Hey been playing the game a lot on my own but I definitely struggle more than a lot of you seem to any suggestions on beginner builds basics to work toward
civic barn
how filled is your mirror of night? which aspects do you have?
pliant palm
Different for each weapon/aspect, sooo
primal cape
Take dark thirst on mirror of night if you can
I would suggest maxing backstab damage as soon as possible as I would say that's the biggest damage boost you can get
civic barn
it'd help let us know at what stage you are and adjust our advice @opal ginkgo
opal ginkgo
I’m struggling with heat 2’s still building up blood. My mirrors not complete max but very close to it
primal cape
2 heat?
civic barn
i assume that means you have everything but the bottom (authority) maxed out, in which case, which upgrades are you using?
primal cape
I would take 2 points of damage control
the skills I take just about every run is standard variations for everything except
dark thirst
family favorite
and duo boon
primal cape
I just think it's one of the easiest things to slot on
opal ginkgo
All the purples except dark regen, abyssal blood, gods legacy and fated persuasion
primal cape
another thing thats exceptionally easy is the gold increase as you can beat hades without buying anything
pliant palm
You can, yes
primal cape
I personally don't like abyssal blood because it limits potential burst dps if you get a strong cast
the rest I would say is even more preference
pliant palm
Abyssal is good if you play a buid that doesn't rely on damage % boons
civic barn
hm that sounds fine honestly; are you having issues dodging attacks or doing damage?
or is it building out the boons to your advantage?
primal cape
Honestly it sounds like if your struggling your issue could be coming from keepsake selection, room selection, or some other thing
opal ginkgo
I think my noon builds tend to be ok but not optimal. What keepsakes are you usually using I almost always start with chaos egg
pliant palm
Could be just that you don't know well enough the enemies/bosses patern yet, but only thing you can do about that is just keep playing, and dying
opal ginkgo
Definitely a possibility
primal cape
what I usually look to do is pick a weapon and slam a keepsake to guarantee a boon that will make my entire run strong
doing hestia grab aphro attack
doing hera/beowolf grab dio cast
civic barn
you can breeze through tartarus if you have a right starting boon
so I'd recommend picking something else
primal cape
chaos is a good supplement but not a good start imo
pliant palm
I usually start with a god boon, and depending on what I get I either do gold/another boon on asphodel, and after that acorn for the rest of the run
civic barn
unless you're sure there's a chaos gate at the start and you want something from it
you can always go in and check what's available and give up
pliant palm
Starting with a god boon isnt just about having a good boon to start with, its so that you can see that god more often for the rest of the run
civic barn
the initial state doesn't reset what's there; say if there's a hammer, it should still be a hammer unless you use a keepsake that brings up a certain god
pliant palm
I'm pretty sure a hammer is fixed, doesnt matter if you have a god boon or not
fickle hull
Anyone have any pro-tips for Guan Yu as far as boons go?
opal ginkgo
Got it. That makes sense and I assume the god you choose heavily depends on the weapon you’re using like I know the one really powerful thing I’ve done is Artemis and Poseidon aspect don’t know how good it is
pliant palm
Eh, best cast with poseidon aspect is prob athena
Whats gods are needeed for the new dual shot duo ?
civic barn
i'm half certain that you can switch out a hammer with a keepsake
if only because i can't test it right now
pliant palm
Check haelian last vid, he start with a hammer while wearing dio keepsake
civic barn
Artemis is a often good choice on attack for sword, but it isn't necessarily the best; that's where experience comes in, I feel. Trying something out even if it doesn't seem like it'd be strong is part of the fun and learning experience with the game
primal cape
to make use of poseideon recall bonus you need a cast that imbreds into a target so that outs dio & ares and with the exception of poseideon x demeter duo with poseideon x zeus duo
dio & ares are the best cast options you have
opal ginkgo
I usually just used her on Poseidon aspect to get exit wounds
primal cape
actually there might not be a duo cast build that can inbred into a target aside from zeus x athena
civic barn
if it's a cast on poseidon aspect I want to say athena's cast is actually probably the easiest to use early on
primal cape
and zeus athena isn't that high of cast dps
civic barn
along with poseidon's cast
since they have a huge hit area along with good turn angles
opal ginkgo
Ok good to know!
primal cape
a poseideon bulid probably is the best way to use poseideon sword now that you mention it
who would've thought
opal ginkgo
Haha it is interesting that it works that way
fickle hull
favorite Chaos aspect build?
primal cape
Zeus shield
fickle hull
and just go nuts getting special zaps?
primal cape
yup
fickle hull
preferred combo?
primal cape
picking up zeus special, demeter on attack
getting jolted zeus boon so you can pick up demeter x zeus duo
fickle hull
Cold Fusion is nuts.
primal cape
absolutely
fickle hull
danke
lucid umbra
can you still get demeter's ice wine or blizzard shot boons when you have the beowulf aspect shield?
naive tusk
You can get Ice Wine but not Blizzard Shot.
lucid umbra
dang... thanks, though
civic barn
Check haelian last vid, he start with a hammer while wearing dio keepsake
yup, you were right, just confirmed it; you cannot reroll a hammer with a keepsake
turbid needle
umm.. is it normal to get multiple "duo boons"
have a run with 3 duos and always assumed you could only get 1 a run 
dry ember
There is no cap on duo boons
Or legendary for that matter
If yo meet the requirements, you have a chance to get any duo boon.
civic barn
they added a lot more duos too so there's a good chance you'd run into more than one
tired elk
When you reroll a a door if it's a boon will it go to another god?
or could it go to a key or something like that?
civic barn
there are two types of rooms; rooms with golden laurels, and rooms with blue laurels
each set has their own possible room rewards
if you look in the pinned messages
scroll down to sparrow's message on 12/29/2019
it should explain it fairly well
if you reroll a room from one type of laurel, it will only reroll to the options in that type
civic barn
most of the time I would say so
but there are occasions where i can see rerolling a blue laurel room might be okay
tired elk
Dionysus Call doesn't seem that amazing
I'm so use to Ares though so correct me if I'm wrong
Cause that is so tempting
inland meadow
sooo "different league" what is considered "nearby foes attacks"?
anyone know the distance?
hushed ledge
Dio call is really good imo
turbid needle
Smoldering Air was a hilarious Dionysus buff.
unkempt pagoda
smoldering air is hilarious in general
it's been ten seconds hades, time for me to use athena's call again
yes, boy
turbid needle
I had Artemis's Aid on a stacked backstab build and any time I popped an arrow off (every four seconds) it would chunk almost 1.5k off Dad with a backstab crit.
unkempt pagoda
does it stack with quick favor?
turbid needle
I think so.
Even at Epic Smoldering Air is still 5x more potent, though it QF doesn't cut off your Greater Call.
unkempt pagoda
eh, a lot of the greater calls are just longer durations anyway
unkempt pagoda
hmm
is it possible to do a pseudo-stunlock build with smouldering air and aphro's aid
turbid needle
Yes.
unkempt pagoda
sounds genuinely hilarious, i need to try that lol
waxen imp
Can you have flurry shot with rama
civic barn
you can't deflect snakestone llasers?
or is the timing just off when you run divine strike on malphon
magic dagger
lasers can't be deflected
civic barn
can you not deflect hades' laser? 🤔 i guess it wasn't deflected but dodged
i feel like i've seen the 'deflected' indicator though
magic dagger
there are lots of random hitboxes you can deflect in the final boss fight, and often you don't see anything at all being deflected
turbid needle
Finally got a Centaur Soul out of a Fated Twist.
Aspect of Demeter, 15 Heat, Deadly Flourish. I've got a choice between a Nectar (and the one boon) or Chaos.
(Theseus cheesed me with his bombs. Again)
cunning urchin
You can't deflect Hades's beams or his spin attack or his urns. You also can't deflect the shockwaves from his phase shift or the skulls.
You can deflect all his other attacks.
His thrust I think you can only deflect if his attack actually misses you, not entirely sure. That's at the very least the most reliable way to deflect it.
civic barn
wait his skulls aren't deflectable?
cunning urchin
Basically you side step it and punch or whatever into his attack to deflect it.
Skulls are.
The shockwaves from the skulls aren't.
cinder flower
sniper shot, perfect shot, or flurry shot for bow at the start of a run?
turbid needle
I'd pick Flurry, what's your Aspect?
cinder flower
the one that makes me Q track
turbid needle
Yeah, Flurry.
cinder flower
so i'm guessing with this playstyle i want to just buff my Q as much as i can
lock on and spam q
turbid needle
Yup.
cunning urchin
Perfect Shot with the new buff sounds nice. I'd try that out at least sometime.
sacred idol
So uh, did they ever fix Hades' skulls reflecting for absurd damage and chunking him if you had Athena's reflect damage boon?
Because that was a riot back when it worked
mighty ermine
they did fix that lol
sacred idol
RIP
sacred idol
would've been funny if they just still let you do that with deflecty malphon or lucy
magic dagger
I honestly thought that was intentional
dry ember
I mean it still chunks for like 400 damage?
dry ember
out of like 16k health
mighty ermine
but fox it used to chunk for at least a couple thousand
just from something like a stray divine dash deflect
magic dagger
a stray divine dash deflect
that is the accepted best method of deflecting things for damage
sacred idol
ah yes, the oopsie doink
whoops I tripped over this giant glowing green skull, is this yours, dad?
dry ember
but fox it used to chunk for at least a couple thousand
is that a bug or actually intended but later nerfed?
mighty ermine
it was a bug pretty sure
like, you could also deflect his spin, somehow, and have him take 6k+ damage at once
it could get very ridiculous
rocky sage
Boiz how do I complete the missions of lyre boi
magic dagger
press E often, talk to orphy a few times
you basically just play the lyre a few hundred(?) times
neon bramble
Elysium is so strange... I just had a Lambent plume run with fists, where I happened to also have merciful end and Athena as my call.
I went balls to the wall and cleared rooms fast by being completely reckless with my SD and call. Still reached boss with only 55s left
It honestly felt like I was moving so fast that I never bothered to check the clock
It has to be because I didn't go to the middle shop or get Pat's room.
rocky sage
If you don't clear a stage with the time limit you just die correct ?
rocky sage
Max or flat ?
rocky sage
I'm still of I should go for chrion which I probably won't like cuz it's a bow
Or heavy shield
grave compass
My gods the rama bow is actually really fun
Started with art special, then added +4 special arrows and hermes special speed buff - literally just hold and fire and rack up the crits on everything 🤩🤩🤩
waxen imp
why is +4 shots on a 3 shot rapid fire special a thing
civic barn
because hammers are supposed to be impactful?
i'm not sure i understand the complaint there
is the concept itself not agreeable?
grave compass
The rama bow splits 1 shot into 3 on impact - so that means its 4 shots split into a total of 12
All with crit chance and passing on the rama mark
Machine gun zagreus
civic barn
i mean, it's doubling the damage on a very low base damage special, so that can't be the complaint right?
it certainly does make it a lot more shots
grave compass
So yeah is actually quadrupal
civic barn
7 shots is going to fill up most stacking debuffs, and it makes certain specials much better
waxen imp
dio laughs at base damage
waxen imp
also it was doing so much damage for a weak base damage special anyway
civic barn
they actually rebalanced this during the beta
rocky sage
wait u take more damage with the new shield?
grave compass
Added the crit mark to that, then the seeking arrow - really fun run
Not a top tier build sure but fun
civic barn
so i'm fairly certain this is what they wanted to release
grave compass
Its more than double though
rocky sage
is the 10% increased damage really worth the shield?
grave compass
This was my first go with it - cant wait to try and get sea storm on it
rocky sage
thing is i suck lol
waxen imp
you can't suck on shield
lost cairn
hey guys. how do shackles and chaos boons interact?
waxen imp
impossible
rocky sage
@waxen imp i mean why not just chaos then ?
neon bramble
Shackles should still give boost with anything except core boons @lost cairn
waxen imp
chaos is also really good
lost cairn
awesome, thanks. it could have a glow effect or something while its active tho
rocky sage
u get rama with artemis right?
waxen imp
yep
i'm mixed on whether beowulf or chaos is better
if you can even come at an answer to that
dire wedge
chaos all day everyday
neon bramble
Chaos is better, Beo is still good though
Chaos can clear with one boon on special
Beo needs a focused build
neon bramble
Again... With the right setup
waxen imp
i played both extensively so i know how they are played
neon bramble
I mean... If you get a full Demeter build like I did on Beo, you roll over the run
On what heat?
rocky sage
how does demeter help?
waxen imp
i play 0 because i cleared all the missions
neon bramble
On 0 everything works dude
rocky sage
is rama the best bow?
neon bramble
I can make that argument for any aspect at 0
dire wedge
just finished a 15 heat run with beo and you NEED to plan your build in advance
waxen imp
you always plan your build
dire wedge
i'm actually looking for higher heat beo clears
rocky sage
boiz im doing a chaos shield run
what do i start with
i want dio with deflect attacks
waxen imp
you basically just dragon bull rush spam
neon bramble
Beo has two distinct styles.
Focused cast build with something like Zeus or Demeter, or even merciful end
Focused special attack build with AOE cast support
You can hit for 4-6k with the special attack if you take the right hammers
But you forego cast builds
waxen imp
@rocky sage put either dio or ares in your special and you win the game
rocky sage
how does the cast matter with the beo thing
neon bramble
Not all casts are equal
Some require all the support boons from the same god to work
Others you go for a duo, like Ares attack and Athena cast
Or Aphro attack and Artemis cast
I can show you the Demeter build I made.. let me link you to the pic I posted
Give you an idea
dire wedge
was able to try beo with freezing vortex and arctic blast which did good damage, but then i got too confident vs charon.
haha
errant narwhal
sorry about that, the bot censors that word despite not being a swear ^^"
neon bramble
I dont now how to link an older Post
Oh, I had already sent you that one @rocky sage 🤣
dire wedge
it's all good, TIL at least
neon bramble
Just go icy flare + all the support boons next time
It's crazy
Killing freeze
Snow burst
Arctic blast
lapis pilot
I think you just need to play more Benjamin
@dry ember figured as much. Not asking for cheats, more looking for, hmm... like the kind of stuff you see from games like DMC or Bayonetta. Creative ways people have been playing. I agree with you that the game is designed on learning through play (which is great).
waxen imp
@dire wedge i finished a heat 21 beo run check #h1-victory-boasting
nearly fell asleep
rocky sage
If i start with artemis relic will she not unlock rama for me?
modest urchin
She might
rocky sage
this is the eighth time you didnt bring unlocking rama to class
modest urchin
How many bloods have you invested in the bow?
rocky sage
in which ?
modest urchin
Any bow aspect
modest urchin
Don’t have to use them lol
modest urchin
I think I like Chiron more but it’s probably all personal preference
modest urchin
I think bow is rough with forced overtime sometimes. I definitely notice it in some rooms and boss fights.
cunning urchin
Coronacht has the second highest recorded clear at 47 Heat. Pretty good for a weapon that sucks.
rocky sage
shield is best weapon no kap
modest urchin
Chaos shield is too insane.
cunning urchin
Potentially.
rocky sage
if i do chiron do i have to max it for it to be good?
rocky sage
rama isnt very good against bosses
judging from its ability
also @modest urchin who is your preffered summon?
modest urchin
I just use shady now
rocky sage
ye
shady top tier
so what do u think about rama in boss fights? since they kinda beat the point oif the ability mostly (especially hades
)
modest urchin
Hmm, I only used it the way it is intended a couple of times and I struggled a lot on Elysium boss fight
But if you just spam special with Zeus or dio then it’s very mobile and work well for boss fights
rocky sage
i cant imagine it being easy with forced overtime
modest urchin
Don’t have the annoying animation lock that plagues Chiron
Yeah I am just not good enough to play standard Rama with forced overtime on lol
cunning urchin
FO isn't easy either way.
modest urchin
I don’t think I’m good enough to really judge it though but I can see in skilled hands Rama can be strong in the Elysium boss fight because there are two targets and Rama can do extra damage with the shared suffering.
rocky sage
whats the highest hear youve done kale?
cunning urchin
Well, if it's only FO or FO2, that's not very difficult. But once you add other stuff, it's difficult.
modest urchin
I’ve only done 14 with bow
rocky sage
my highest is 6 with shield but its definitely not my limir
i got to hades with 5 summons and took to damage in the fight
modest urchin
EM3 with FO is when I realized how hard the fight can become haha
cunning urchin
You can only use 1 summon in any encounter anyway.
rocky sage
ye the point is i didnt need the healing and didnt use death defiance
modest urchin
Before I turned on FO I thought EM3 was a joke and meme
modest urchin
I think it might be okay with Zag bow and Rama special build. Hera could be okay too
You can do a lot of burst damage then focus on dodging for a bit
cunning urchin
Twin Shot helps with DC.
rocky sage
shared suffering dosent work ont he same opponent right?
random hull
Last time I used Rama, it does. A small green number will show up even if you only mark and shoot one opponent. Correct me if my info is outdated.
rocky sage
cool thanks lad
opal glade
arthur on +21% attack speed is basically normal stygian speed and it is Ridiculous
also i just got a 7 fountain run with strong drink in Tartarus and who needs family favorites/privileged status when that's a flat 35% damage increase holy frick
stiff jacinth
So it turns out I don't hate the bow, I just hated the bow before I put some upgrades into it 
rare kayak
anyone else having issues with guan yu? the low health just doesnt seem like enough in a lot of boss fights and spin doesnt seem to mitigate the damage youve taken very well
thorn kettle
So what's the suggested build for Lucy railgun? I'm having a hard time finding something reliable
stray glen
anybody in here know if damage multipliers are additive or multiplicative?
thorn kettle
Sub 10 heat
So far I'm not really into the Lucy aspect, so I'm just trying to get to the surface. Maybe il like it better if there's a build I can vibe with
rocky sage
i just did
zeus attack
demeter special
i got the bigger special radius and some decay
kinda vibin
bleak spear
hey, is there an updated guide on duos?
lament coral
not yet, but you can see all of the duo changes in the patch notes
rapid sonnet
I'm hoping this is the right channel to ask: I'm trying to get impending doom to complete the ares prophecy (and also because it would be useful for my current run) but I've been in about nine ares rooms in my past three runs and haven't found it. is it just rng or is there something I'm missing?
rapid sonnet
thank you!
lament coral
try using the Authority that allows you to reroll boon options
rapid sonnet
just got it in the first chamber in elysium... thank you again i appreciate the flowchart 
cinder flower
is there a guide on what boons to go for on certain weapons?
lament coral
not really, it all depends on your aspect and boons
cinder flower
i never know what to go for
lament coral
what's your favorite aspect?
cinder flower
i have a hades and hermes choice right now
i only have one aspect and it's the tracking bow special
cinder flower
i actually got that at the start
first time getting it too and i was like wow
ok
lament coral
well, you're all set then
cinder flower
what's the key to pull up my boons?
lament coral
B on the keyboard, dunno about gamepad
modest urchin
I think it’s select
cinder flower
is there a way to sotp the game from minimizing when i click on discord >.>
dual screen
cinder flower
relentless volly, maimed flourish, divine flourish, and eletric shock is what i have right now
lost cairn
Can Chaos Gates spawn in Temple of Styx? Never saw one
lament coral
nope, no Chaos in Styx
cinder flower
should i go for zeus or hermes?
cinder flower
no luck dang
stoic thicket
Do you have Chiron maxed out? Or just unlocked?
stoic thicket
Just as a heads up, Chiron suffers a lot from not being maxed out. There's a ton of other aspects where isn't a big deal, Chiron is not one of them. Should still serve you fine in your current situation.
cinder flower
so max it asap if i like bow
got it
also i just totally whipped the first boss
like hard,
sly echo
You using Zeus special?
sly echo
Not cast, special - your weapon's secondary ability
For chiron bow, it's the homing arrows
cinder flower
i don't think so
can't post a screen shot can i
how many encounters is it between boss fights? does buying a 6 encounter items last to the next boss?
lament coral
14/24/36 are boss rooms
sly echo
If you're buying an item from the well after the first boss, it won't last until the next one
serene nexus
Which of the two mirror perks are better? God's Pride (+% for epic) or God's Legacy (+% for Legendary and Duo)
lament coral
Pride for sure
lost cairn
Why can't i find the new minor prophecies?
lament coral
Duos and Legendaries are cherries on your pie, but everything under em are base boons, meaning those are the ones you want to be all high rarity and with lots of levels
@lost cairn some of them require certain conditions to be met before they show up in the book
however, their progress is still tracked even if they're not yet visible
lost cairn
I see none of the new ones. Amusing Chaos: new! Vanquish the Final Boss bearing the Cosmic Egg
I just did this
lament coral
ah, that's a one that requires a prompt from Chaos to appear
lost cairn
We're not good pals enough maybe
lament coral
you need to get his dialogue for it to become active
lost cairn
Thanks. I hope it's retroactive, cause egg in styx is a waste of keepsake
lament coral
and it's not retroactive
lost cairn
fml
lament coral
¯_(ツ)_/¯
narrow rampart
Y'all, I'm having a hard time with the new aspects. I can't for the life of me make Rama work, and I'm trying to make a Lucifer Special work but it's so hammer dependant.
Granted I haven't had the chance to play much, lately, so I didn't experiment enough yet.
What are you guys' thoughts on those two aspects in particular?
lament coral
Rama is too slow
you need Dual Shot and Explosive to make it work, and you'll have to stay close to enemies because of the further reduced speed
as for Lucy, why are you bothering with the special? Just put Zeus attack on it and blast fools
stoic thicket
Apparently Lucy special with Hazard Bomb is at least good memes.
narrow rampart
Yeah I did Lucy with Zeus attack, it was dope
lament coral
does it increase the size of the explosion or the pulse, too?
narrow rampart
I wanna try Lucy with Demeter and Arctic Blast
lament coral
Zeus is better
narrow rampart
I already tried Zeus
It was fun
But it didn't benefit much from the ramping up
Honestly I should've gone with the infinite ammo hammer with Zeus attack
narrow rampart
I'll do that next time
I've seen a lot of people saying it's good with Dio attack but... I don't see it tbh.
lament coral
yeah, Dio just caps at 5 stacks and past that it's a waste. Plus, no benefit from the ramp either
narrow rampart
yeah
lament coral
if I had to guess, Aphro or Artemis would be the best options without Infinite
narrow rampart
I did Artemis today with the triple beam upgrade
lament coral
Aphro has the highest % scaling, and Artemis gives you crits
lament coral
I actually wasn't all that impressed with the triple beam, it feels too wide for my liking
lament coral
at least with the triple bow you can get ricochet arrow and the extra ones bounce
narrow rampart
yep
oh but the triple beam btw, if you're close enough to the enemy, you can manage to hit them with more than one beam
lament coral
you have to be point blank tho
unkempt pagoda
because i like spreedsheets, here's a spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zvDdpXcuJRzBwV0XRv2fcHthotgLFpaV4Ysi7Wy9daU/edit?usp=sharing
sacred idol
Uh... did the Arthur buff make its hitbox substantially larger than its VFX?
sacred idol
Stygian Blade (Arthur Aspect): improved hit box on second swing in the Attack sequence
I'm seeing the second swing hit enemies way out of the visual.
lament coral
it used to be bigger than the visual
lament coral
huh, you're right
dry ember
lament coral
I don't even know if it is a bug, best drop it in #hades-feedback just in case
sacred idol
Arthur is loads of fun though, dang
random night
Eternal Chamber is... pretty cool 😛 I just did 7000 uninterrupted damage to Hades, seeing that number stack up is awesome haha
sacred idol
Still fun, I'm playing no FO casual lowheat
I have a meme seed though
Poseidon throwing loot boons at me
random night
FO?
sacred idol
Forced Overtime
random night
ah yeh
sacred idol
also, lmao. I have Huge Catch entering Asphodel, Deadly Strike, and fricking Crystal Beam.
win or lose, this run is memes
Greater Consecration is t h i c c
divine dash forced from keepsake... oh yeah, if I luck out and get duos, this run is megastonks
low heat, but funny
stoic thicket
Eh, low heat doesn't mean automatic win.
sacred idol
this is like... 7?
stoic thicket
Yeah, perfectly loseable.
sacred idol
looking like an easy win on the particular stack of boons though, Greater Conc+Divine Dash is hilarious
and Rare Cropped Deadly Strike
tbf it was rare cropped from fricking epic to legendary, so not a huge gain, but still stonks
lament coral
you can lose on any heat, especially if you take on senior ||Charon|| in Tartarus
sacred idol
oh yeah, no, I haven't even seen the bag
I did get Rama unlock first room on the arty trinket, so pog
minor beacon
I saw it once and the run was too close so I was spooked
lament coral
I ran into him with Guan Yu
sacred idol
still waiting for troll parent chaos to give me beo
lament coral
he killed me in 4 hits, all 3 DDs, too
sacred idol
but seriously, the hilarity involved with greater consecration and a deflect...
got elite homing witches with BP1, it was funny seeing maybe 20 shots just chilling in the giant ring of no
also, crystal beam duo is surprisingly spicy with enough rarity and at least one pom on the thing
I may indeed lose at the last minute, because I turned on SD and I'm usually bad with Stubborn
but eh, we'll see.
cunning urchin
7 heat can be HL5 CP1 HS or something. That can be a tought final boss fight.
sacred idol
What the heck does that mean
cunning urchin
When spin-attacks do 80 and green urns do 150 damage.
sacred idol
Oh. I have thicc stacks of EM, a Calisthenics, Benefits 1
cunning urchin
Hard Labor 5, Calisthenics Program 1, Heightened Security.
sacred idol
it's all good, I haven't turned on high sec or anything
I always crank EM first
since I'm gonna have to deal with that eventually, might as well
cunning urchin
So all the damage you'd take is maxed out and everything has +15% HP lol.
Well, it's all up to you really. You don't have to take EM or any particular pacts—or any pacts at all.
sacred idol
Oh, no, because the other choices I know I'll flub way harder
I can't take TD2 because I usually average 9 minutes at best in zones
Well, in some. I haven't had a fast Tartarus since months ago.
cunning urchin
You can improve on that the same as you can improve in the EM fights.
sacred idol
At Elysium by 18 right now, but 9 of that was Tartarus
cunning urchin
How come Tartarus is taking you longest?
sacred idol
Honestly, I have no idea. This run though, it's because I went for casual farming and took Poseidon's loot boons three times, lmao
cunning urchin
Hmm.
sacred idol
Although the fact that I seem to almost always get Alecto now, my personal worst matchup among the Furies, contributes
My Meg runs are faster
cunning urchin
Well, CP is something you could avoid if you pick TD2. That would speed things up.
sacred idol
Tisi isn't as bad personally
cunning urchin
And BP1 or BP2 will take longer than no BP.
sacred idol
is Hydraulic Might worth on Arthur?
or should I just take another sunken treasure and treat this as a maximum farming run, I REALLY needed the darkness is the thing
cunning urchin
Well, just go for Darkness if you're clearing anyway. Hydraulic Might wouldn't make a huge difference.
Alecto, I think, doesn't throw her blades until her 3rd and 4th phase. So you can be very aggressive before that, especially if you have some source of Deflect.
sacred idol
wow, my first hermes. lol
oh, right, part of it is bad rarities
I had my boons rare cropped down to common and they were just not doing much
common crystal beam is a meme
cunning urchin
Hmmm.
sacred idol
rare greatest reflex, swift strike, or greater haste...
cunning urchin
Although those are factors, I think none of them really prevent you from beating Tartarus faster.
sacred idol
swift strike to make my sword a ton faster? not like I'm lacking for defense
the reason is ultimately that I'm not good at being fast
cunning urchin
I'd probably pick the Greatest Reflex if Swift Strike is only common. Although Swift Strike is nice on Excalibur.
sacred idol
all rares
cunning urchin
I'd just be thinking of what's faster for clears at something like 7 heat.
I guess try Swift Strike and see how it goes. If you have 2 dashes, that should be good.
sacred idol
well, I have ruthless, but so far no trouble proccing it
at this point difficulty doesn't feel too intense, just a fun farming run
cunning urchin
Greatest Reflex then. More dashes will help you clear faster, especially in larger chambers in Asphodel and Elysium.
And it will let you do some silly stuff like startup your special, mash all your dashes, and slam the sword into the ground after your final dash lol.
sacred idol
to be fair I guess I REALLY do not want to fight Hades with one dash and no movespeed
Epic glacial glare. Pog
cunning urchin
I haven't tried that one yet.
sacred idol
Well, I already have duo'd crystal beam, I figured I'd go all in
cunning urchin
Yeah, certainly.
sacred idol
oh hey. not even EM3. lul, this is how little I play sword
I have to say, it's REALLY satisfying to just... plop down the arthur field and deflect Theseus' spear into his face
Can you reroll into Duo Boons?
Because I could REALLY use Deadly Reversal
cunning urchin
You have a higher chance in elite chambers, so if you're hunting for a specific Duo, it's always worth it to take those and reroll for it.
sacred idol
wait, what? it used to be lower in elite chambers
also, in hindsight, hoarding slash was a dumbass idea considering this is a run I'm spending obols in
cunning urchin
Why would it be lower in elite chambers? They give higher rarity boons.
mystic vale
Hazard Bomb and Greater Inferno with the new aspect. Yeah, I like to live dangerously.
sacred idol
Oh. There was this thing, way back when, where someone went into the game files and saw that Duo/Legendary was actually reduced in elite chambers, but Epic was increased.
cunning urchin
Hm.
sacred idol
ages ago though
cunning urchin
I don't datamine or anything, so maybe that's still true. But it's always worked out for me, so I dunno lol.
We're not supposed to talk about datamined stuff, though. Just things we learn naturally through playing the game.
sacred idol
welp, I lost to Hades
Stubborn Defiance sucks for me specifically.
Also, I was always just shy of the thing that would make a particular aspect of my build actually broken
rocky sage
any good demeter fist build?
mystic vale
Yes. Chilling Strike, Divine Dash, Dash-Strike (sometimes called DS or D-S) your heart out.
rocky sage
whats divine dash?
mystic vale
Note: Divine Strike also works just as well if not better, but I love slooooooooooow enemies.
Deflect on dash. Athena boon.
cunning urchin
Build for Demeter Aspect?
mystic vale
Oh, I thought Demeter boons. :x
rocky sage
hit me up with a build then
cunning urchin
Divine Strike > Hunter Dash > Deadly Flourish or Heartbreak Flourish > pick up Support Fire and Deadly Reversal.
mystic vale
Mew is our local fist expert.
cunning urchin
Lightning Strike is also a good pick.
mystic vale
I'm our expert on what not to do.
rocky sage
whats deadly flourish?
cunning urchin
That's from Lady Artemis.
cunning urchin
Ideally you pick that. But if you see Heartbreak Flourish before it, take that instead.
Yeah.
cunning urchin
I always take Fated Persuasion.
But some swear by one, and some swear by the other.
mystic vale
Also: Golden Touch and Dark Regeneration 4L. Well, until LC 4 on Dark Regen, but you're way off of that point.
sacred idol
Is Rama worth using at all if you haven't maxed it out yet?
mystic vale
Felis: I got a win with it my first time with 1 point and Curse of Pain.
cunning urchin
Yeah, if you're not trying very high heat, you can just pick it and have some fun.
mystic vale
And Relentless Volley, which might be important, since it takes you from 3 fletchettes to 7.
cunning urchin
Very high heat, you could do that, too. But chances of success would be somewhat lower.
sacred idol
well I've got heat 8
rocky sage
@mystic vale really golden touch?
sacred idol
that's my highest on bow, at least
cunning urchin
Yeah, "very high heat" for me would be 32+.
You'll get some Titan Blood from your clears with it that you an invest into the aspect.
So as you get better, your aspect also improves.
sacred idol
Well, at least it's not one where the actual feel of the weapon changes as you sink blood
Just the stats
mystic vale
Yeah. For most weapons I take coin purse for Tartarus, and I only occasionally buy Darkness, Life, or +1 companion summon, which without pacts all cost <50.
Sometimes I'll end up needing a Kiss of Styx, but even then not usually until the fourth area, so after GT's done its thing.
If you buy stuff constantly, GT is trash. But I don't.
rocky sage
ye im not a hoarding fan
mystic vale
I mean half the time it's just stuff like temp damage boost or +cast stones.
cunning urchin
I take Deep Pockets every time. Just the ability to get things going early in Tartarus is great.
mystic vale
85% of the stuff is just junk IMO.
cunning urchin
Having to skip a shop because you don't have the cash or seeing a great boon that you can't afford sucks.
cunning urchin
By shop I mean Charon's Shop, not the Wells of Charon.
mystic vale
Only time I ever "regret" GT is if I see a hammer in the last chamber of Tartarus for 200. But if I don't buy it, one will almost assuredly show up in Asphodel.
But most weapons I want hammer ASAP, so it's tough to walk on by. And sometimes I don't, especially if I ran across Sisyphus and took gold.
cunning urchin
It's not a matter of regret but that it speeds up the whole run if you can get things going faster, which will also mean you're taking less damage etc.
rocky sage
so regen cast or stacked
cunning urchin
Stygian Soul.
mystic vale
@rocky sage You doing Tight Deadline runs yet?
rocky sage
oops
random hull
It is in a sense to different kinds of interest - Golden Touch pays interest in obol, and might help getting the funds for another diamond or blood. Deep Pockets means faster build progression and pays in higher dps/other utility, meaning faster clears and less damage taken. For someone in the endgame, the choice is pretty clear-cut, I guess (I'm not quite there yet).
cunning urchin
Yeah, high heat basically everyone is taking Deep Pockets.
rocky sage
ok boiz on demeter gloves
mystic vale
So you regularly buy jerky just to raise your damage for six chambers?
rocky sage
rush kick flying cutter or draining cutter
cunning urchin
Golden Touch pays off in Styx. You want a strong build by the time you enter Elysium already, then just add a few cherries on top in Elysium and beyond.
mystic vale
Aspect of Norris when??
rocky sage
@cunning urchin please help
rush kick flying cutter or draining cutter
i just started a run
cunning urchin
Errr . . . Draining Cutter, probably?
Not the greatest options.
Rush Kick can be a lot of fun.
rocky sage
drain it is
mystic vale
That's sort of like "Shave your face with sandpaper or a cheese grater?"
cunning urchin
Draining Cutter is really useful when things get tougher. It just doesn't add DPS, though. It's amazing for RI4 runs if you get it early.
wide knot
I was so close to the end q.q made it to the last room and then lost both defiance to rat spamming poison floor then missed helm of darkness bro by last 10% hp. Really tragic run.
cunning urchin
All that feedback about "shield 4 bad" makes me want to put some Titan Blood into it and take it on some runs lol.
Hades—A Tragedy.
The good thing is you get to try again, and that's pretty good getting the final boss to 10% with no DDs!
cunning urchin
Haha.
wide knot
It was SOOOOOOO close.
Turns out all I had to do was switch to controller and the game got 5x easier
cunning urchin
Ah nice. I haven't tried KBM at all for Hades yet.
Which is funny because I played all the other Supergiant games with KBM.
I just decided to play Hades with pad on a whim when I started lol.
wide knot
I usually go KMB with most things but I couldn't get past the frat bros in the garden
But I picked up a controller, put on my least favorite weapon and got to hades first try o.o
cunning urchin
What are the numbers?
sacred idol
My last run was also a tragic near-win
cunning urchin
Yeah, Dash-Strike lol.
rocky sage
57
sacred idol
then I got chunked by a spin, lmao, I would have won with Death Defiance easily
cunning urchin
That's some hefty bonus damage.
sacred idol
zero deaths before dad, then immediately deleted
wide knot
Idk how to deal with the rats well, they put 4 armored rats in a tiny corridor and even with breaching cross I wasn't able to melt them before they filled the entire room with poison
rocky sage
does dash strike affect the whole combo ??
cunning urchin
Hm?
cunning urchin
For the Dash-Upper, you mean?
cunning urchin
It doesn't affect your regular 5-hit combo.
rocky sage
is the bonus for the whole combo
cunning urchin
Your dash-strikes are when you dash and press attack, and also when you dash and press special.
rocky sage
oh ok
cunning urchin
The 5-hit combo if you hold down Attack is just a regular Attack.
@wide knot I would say stay clear from poison, don't be tempted to dash through it just to speed things up. You can dash left-right next to a rat to dash-strike without going through it (and without stepping on poison puddles in the process). That way you can stay clear from the poison.
Once you get through the armor of any rat, you can stunlock it to keep it from spreading poison.
mystic vale
I'm tempted to make a political comment here, but I won't. :p
cunning urchin
Using a summon to break the armor asap, so you can keep them all stunlocked with attacks before they can drop any poison is a good idea, too.
dry ember
I'm tempted to make a political comment here, but I won't. :p
@mystic vale how do you even make a political comment out of that?
cunning urchin
Most of the summons if you still have any by the Temple of Styx aren't gonna be of any use in the final fight anyway.
dry ember
Take Breaching Cross and laugh with that 900% damage modifier
mystic vale
I spend probably a solid quarter of my free time on politics. I am fairly certain I could make a political comment out of most menu items in restaurants.
mystic vale
Yeah, go ahead and fine me five zorkmids.
dry ember
Keep on helping people 😇
sacred idol
Bouldy still works as a meme
Sure, it wastes all those obols, but it's worth hearing dad yell at random gods blaming them for the rock
tepid ridge
Ambiguity bonus does, but he can give others that are pretty good
dry ember
I think they meant the companion
tepid ridge
Oh, then it’s only the gold that’s wasted in that case because there’s nowhere to spend it after final boss
mystic vale
Yeah, I did a 4th sword aspect Hoarding Slash run and got hilarious damage numbers with over 2k gold for end area. :x
sacred idol
Hot damn. The Shattered Shackle offers a LOT of early damage for unlucky bastards like me.
tepid ridge
I was wondering when they would add an Isaac-style $$$=power item into the game lol
random hull
It is an odd design choice to make it exclusive to the Sword.
mystic vale
Which deity would you assign it to?
random hull
Hermes.
mystic vale
Because if it's hammer or aspect-related, it's not for everyone.
random hull
He is, among other stuff, god of trade.
mystic vale
Ehhh. I mean, I guess? With Side Hustle? Actually still probably better with attack speed boost than Hustle.
tepid ridge
Technically Hades himself was god of underworld riches, gold etc right? Otherwise it would be a cool affix to get after beating the ||Charon|| fight, not unlike how the Bouldy Bonuses work. But that would probably be too much of a powerful incentive to do that fight.
mystic vale
I do like the Triple Shot on the new Exa aspect.
tepid ridge
Love when Bouldy breaks an enemy’s armor and then doesn’t even kill the enemy, nor damage the elite enemy I was aiming for lol
sacred idol
Huh. Why in the heck do I suddenly have a 9 minute run to the Hydra with this zeus shield...
lime estuary
So I just found out that Cursed Slash does not apply its healing effects on dash attacks
sacred idol
...oh. That's why. Heroic level 3 Dionysus special on Zeus shield does a ridiculous amount of damage.
lime estuary
Does this feel like too much to anyone else? I really like the idea of this upgrade, but being restricted to only the basic attack (which you rarely use on higher heats), just makes the upgrade way too niche
cunning urchin
Seems fine to me.
stoic thicket
No, I think that's a perfectly reasonable stance, considering Cursed Slash comes at a fairly hefty price tag.
misty crane
iirc it works on special aswell
lime estuary
The description says it only works on Attack
thorn kettle
Is bouldy The only summon that works on Dad?
cunning urchin
Bouldy and Skelly.
thorn kettle
Mmmk makes sense thanks
dry ember
Depends
inland locust
i mean the Ambiguity bonus
cunning urchin
Stuff like gold+ etc. The ambiguity bonus presumably does nothing.
mystic vale
Rock-hard love and affection.
cunning urchin
Or it might do something.
dry ember
It gives you ambiguity of what it does for the run
cunning urchin
It's very ambiguous. 
dry ember
Basically nothing
tepid ridge
People checked the code in the past, ambiguity didn’t have any function back then.
dry ember
You drew the short straw
inland locust
💩
sacred idol
LMAO, won with Bouldy finish
serene nexus
What would you say that the best companion to max would be besides Shady?
hasty oracle
Which boons go well with the lucifer rail?
proper moth
Shady is from Sisyphus
I just tried a Demeter run with the rail, the chill stacking super fast on attack was pretty nice.
hasty oracle
I'll try Demeter
sacred idol
What are the builds for Rama again
lament coral
Skelly is a good option if you wanna do Guan Yu runs because you can heal off him
and Shady's healing is reduced
sacred idol
you can what now. lmao.
hasty oracle
Who else is good with the lucifer rail?
sacred idol
most everyone, really
lament coral
Except Athena, whose Deflect apparently doesn't work with it
flat brook
how likely is it to be offered both a duo and a legendary in chamber 9 with no duo/legendary chance mirror upgrade? https://i.imgur.com/6QOvxO2.jpg
main osprey
☝️
serene nexus
It’s more of a “best option out of a bunch of bad ones”
main osprey
I don't think it's bad?
serene nexus
Beowulf is new and needs tweaks, Zag shield is okay but not too great, and Zeus requires a very specific playstyle n
I’d say Chaos is the most appealing to most people
flat brook
yeah, i hate playing with every other shield except chaos
sacred idol
I mean, Zeus is really good