I feel like Beowulf's negative penalty suits the lifesteal aspects of Cursed Blade and Guan Yu a LOT more than reduced HP
#h1-builds-and-combat
turbid needle
But it also has some of the nastiest two-boon Attack/Special combos, like Heartbreak Strike into Drunken or Deadly Flourish (go for the Duo).
sacred idol
Like, just from a perspective of - how am I going to use lifesteal if I have no life to steal, from being gibbed in 1-2 hits?
elfin pulsar
honestly havent played with the lifesteal weps enough to say, but i'd probably play them more if they were like that so yeah
brave dune
I don't agree with the fact that Beowulf should have a penalty at all. Doesn't seem worth it for a slower moveset that doesn't block from the front.
sacred idol
The thing is, at the late game, the only threats come from massive chunk damage.
dapper bridge
I feel like it would make them a lot better if that were changed
sacred idol
no, I'm talking about the GY/Cursed Blade
Since their thing is, they cut your health max to ribbons
So even if you can heal, you can't take enough hits for healing to make sense
elfin pulsar
how does beowulfs block even work?
sacred idol
If you're taken from 100-0% there's no space between healthy and dead for chip healing to really work
dapper bridge
like when Hades smacks you for 120 with the spin >_<
sacred idol
Exactly.
brave dune
But if you took more damage, then you'd lose your increased health at the same pace as if you had less health to begin with
sacred idol
So it's like... okay, I can heal from attacks, but I'll just get instant gibbed anyway
Different attacks do different amounts of damage, though
brave dune
But you can upgrade out of less health with Hearts and stuff, but the extra damage is much harder to negate, especially since damage scales depending on the floor
brave dune
Oh yeah
sacred idol
so it's pretty nasty
extra damage is percentage reduced by DR.
so you can spec into athena and mitigate it
final health nerf is just...
eeeehhh
brave dune
But still, it's possible to get out of it, and I think maxed GY heals faster than you take damage in the early floors
dapper bridge
I think itd be an interesting thing to try for a patch
sacred idol
mainly talking about late game, where everything does more damage than your healthbar almost
dapper bridge
hard to tell if itd be better or worse without trying it imo
sacred idol
although I think it would play hell with calculating healing rates
currently the flat heal is... interesting in that sense, I guess
in that it effectively heals for more vs having more damage taken
just that it feels weird to play around lots of instant-chunk attacks
like ol' Charon
brave dune
Yeah you do have a point
dapper bridge
I do agree that it's hard to play with those in lategame, especially at high heat
or maybe I'm just bad lol
brave dune
Thing is if they do transfer the negative DR to Guan Yu, it'll be higher than Beowulf's to compensate for GY's more OP ability..
sacred idol
well high heat meta is just don't get hit 4head
dapper bridge
thats true actually yeah
elfin pulsar
im really not sure if beowulf even needs the penalty at all
tho im only half a run in lol
brave dune
Beowulf is +15% damage taken, if they put it on GY it'll be more like +30% to match the earlier 33% life penalty
and yeah, I don't think Beowulf needs the penalty either
Oh whoops I got my numbers wrong, haven't played GY in a while
It's 50% life reduction? That's wack
dapper bridge
yeah 50% at max rank
brave dune
I pity anyone who plays max rank Guan Yu with Lasting Consequences
tired elk
So Dread Flight is actually probably bad then huh? lol
since we can't spam shield as often?
brave dune
Oh? Damn
dapper bridge
I think its currently the only way to heal with 100% LC if I'm not mistaken
turbid needle
I think. I should verify that.
brave dune
I'm too scared to even try Lasting Consequences..
turbid needle
What about Cursed Slash?
dapper bridge
oh duh
elfin pulsar
so ares cast with beowulf makes a gigantic spinning blade slightly in front of you for 1 second
looks super sick
probably doesnt work so well with hunting blades
honestly cant tell if its any good at all
but it does look sick
sacred idol
lmao buzzsaw
elfin pulsar
ok nevermind this thing hits like a freight train
really, really hard to aim it when trying to get a minotaur rush
inner patrol
Beoblades is back!?
serene nexus
What's a decent bow aspect to start out with?
elfin pulsar
zag aspect IMO, very versatile
serene nexus
@elfin pulsar Have you tried the poseidon ares duo
sacred idol
Hera is a whole new playstyle to learn (cast builds, which are generally all or nothing and play very differently)
inner patrol
Hera is my favorite personally. Apply cast directly to the forehead
sacred idol
Chiron is flat out unusable not maxed.
elfin pulsar
uhh dont think so, you mean with the beo shield or in general
sacred idol
also Hera punishes missing to an extreme degree
inner patrol
Concentrated Volley helps Chiron aspect
sacred idol
you hit or you run around like a chicken for over 10 seconds waiting for your attack to exist again
unless you have quick recall, then hermes loves you
inner patrol
Or you use Stygian Soul to get it recharge every 3 seconds
serene nexus
I just started on the 0 heat bountie so I don't have a lot of blood to work with yet.
sacred idol
Stygian seems like the only safe way to play hera without rng reliance
ah.
if you're willing to learn the cast thing, hera works at one unlock
inner patrol
I use Stygian on everything that's not Beowulf
sacred idol
otherwise, either farm with unblooded bow a bit, or use zagreus for a mechanically boring but very reliable weapon
same
zag bow is just... well, it's a workhorse weapon
doesn't change the feel of the weapon, but the dps bonus is just nice
inner patrol
That's the case with most Zag aspects, really
inner patrol
Shield is at least thematic
sacred idol
rail was sorta fine, but then lucy showed up and stole its thunder again
serene nexus
I spent blood to unlock Nemesis aspect, Hades Aspect, and get Hestia aspect to level 3
sacred idol
well yeah, like I said though: it was once a very good one
the shield was once 25% before it came to steam, then 20% in welcome to hell
nerfed down to 10% in... long winter?
and 10% makes it not worth five whole bloods
20% was enough to be gamechanging for newbs
and to compensate for base shield's generally atrocious dps
serene nexus
Don't like the Hera playstyle tbh, but then again that was before Stygian soul was a thing
sacred idol
sure, you'd have 40 minute runs, but it would at least keep you alive
now it's like, 40 minutes and the tiniest bit less dead.
serene nexus
Might give it a try personally
inner patrol
If you go for Hera just keep in mind that Demeter & Ares aren't changed, so if you don't like those best to go for something like Poseidon or Artemis cast
Personally I like the Ares cast on Hera, especially with Hunting Blades. Frozen Vortex is fun if you have Arctic Blast, but unless you have a way to lock down enemies or just melt them down with Viscous Cycle it can be a little iffy
elfin pulsar
theseus bombs hitting me for 110 damage with this shield :X
even worse when they hit me then spawn the ground indicator after, really rubs it in
red hound
anyone has a decent build for bow,gun and shield for the new aspects?
how good are they even
sacred idol
@elfin pulsar f10 if they hit you before the ground target
neon bramble
So.... I got super lucky with chaos giving me two extra cast stones on a Beowulf build
And then literally almost every boon was Demeter
Super strong
elfin pulsar
so is demeter cast with beo good?
brave dune
Wow
elfin pulsar
snow burst on beo kinda seems like the nuts
brave dune
Fully loaded + Chaos + Charon shop cast...
neon bramble
5 cast stones, so every time I loaded cast and launched, I also got the arctic blast
red hound
does zeus do well with lucifer?
neon bramble
Zeus on Lucifer attack is 👌
kindred needle
Rail: Lxxxx Aspect
I could take boons with explosive synergy like Zeus or stack debuffs quickly with Dio or Ares... but with Poseidon I can have a SUPER SOAKER
sacred idol
poseidon attack with sea storm is a very strong build on that
serene nexus
Any other reccomendations for Hera aspect cast synergies? I can see stuff like Artemis or Poseidon being a thing
kindred needle
I love it
sacred idol
poseidon is amazing this patch
kindred needle
Sadly in this run I never got a Sea Storm offer, but I did get some other fun goodies
sacred idol
ah
still fun times with the powersoaker
did they ever change Poseidon's scaling on attack though?
red hound
anyone tried the new bow aspect
sacred idol
like, is it not barely higher than artemis anymore
red hound
how does it feel
sacred idol
or is it still 30% damage at common?
neon bramble
I dislike the bow in general
opal glade
new bow is slow on attack but can rack up damage with special
tired elk
Level 8 curse of pain epic lol
opal glade
haelian's good for low heat high speed, snitch
red hound
i dont even know how low is low anymore
elfin pulsar
skellys tooth counts as a death defiance for the healing boon
primal cape
how would you build the three new aspects?
primal cape
for me an easy run on a comfy weapon is 14
red hound
havnt played in a month might be why
opal glade
i know wriste13 does high heats in the 35s
neon bramble
@primal cape
For Lucifer, put Zeus or Poseidon on attack
primal cape
when I get to 20 I actually have to try
sacred idol
Lucy? Anything. Everything works in some way or another if you get the correct supporting boons.
neon bramble
You can also go Ares, but it's more difficult to make it work
opal glade
the high heats channel can also help you there snitch
neon bramble
For Beo, there are two distinct styles
sacred idol
never played 'em myself
astral phoenix
I got epic rush delivery+lambent plume
neon bramble
You can ignore cast on Beo if you choose
opal glade
build lucy like you build fists, high damage ramp up, get your privilege status on and bam, melter
sacred idol
Rama is uhhhh
neon bramble
And just pump the special attack
neon bramble
How to build Rama....
Choose Chiron instead
sacred idol
Apparently, Poseidon with Sea Storm works well on it too
red hound
zag fists are honestly pretty broken nowadays
primal cape
I've done some runs on beo but they don't feel like I'm making the most out of it
red hound
get the gigantic fists hammer and u can build whatever u want
sacred idol
Poseidon Legendary with Zeus Duo is apparently amazing damage on Rama.
neon bramble
@astral phoenix if you ever get that again, get second wind to go with it if you can
primal cape
does it need a legendary to be comparable to other things?
sacred idol
No, that's just the most busted version of poseidon/zeus stuff
elfin pulsar
demeter stuff seems pretty decent for it, the run that was posted earlier seems like it'd be sweet
sacred idol
if you want a simpler equivalent it's just zeus special
neon bramble
@primal cape look at the Demeter build I posted above
neon bramble
For Beo
opal glade
sick
sacred idol
Now that's a lot of damage!
neon bramble
I don't like Dio for core boons, so I never go for that duo
primal cape
even when running rail?
primal cape
huh I used to really dislike dio when he was first released but once duo boons happened and weapon aspects I found him more appealing
neon bramble
I don't like waiting for damage. I want it NOW 😉
sacred idol
dio seems like a preference thing
astral phoenix
I love dio
sacred idol
esp on rail and doubly so on lucifer
primal cape
I agree with the exception of running dio on slow hitting things like arthur sword
astral phoenix
Hangover and all trippy shot
neon bramble
Dio on rail is a waste imo
sacred idol
some people have reported exceptional results with dio attack lucifer, others not
neon bramble
Just my opinion
astral phoenix
I'd rather have Zeus with lucifer
sacred idol
yeah like I said, it's personal pref in that case
primal cape
I love getting the double duo boon trippy shot when running hera
neon bramble
Ares on Lucifer attack can also work
neon bramble
Let me show you how I built it
sacred idol
sea storm, cold fusion, ice wine
aka the "what chemical hell is this" cast build
"That's not wine..."
neon bramble
opal glade
Chernobyl build
sea storm, cold fusion, ice wine
sacred idol
Yes
neon bramble
The only thing missing was curse of longing
sacred idol
you basically just get a frickin' plasma storm on the wine
That carried me on so many runs.
Was my favorite build in Long Winter, by far
primal cape
I had a run with insane duo boons because I had aphro & artemis attack/special, athena dash, and demeter cast
I had artemis demeter cast duo
artemis athena deflect duo
artemis aphro duo
aphro athena duo
sacred idol
Oh, that's nasty
unkempt pagoda
the a team
sacred idol
the quadruple A is also an amazing setup
opal glade
call that build ladies night
unkempt pagoda
alternatively, girl power
sacred idol
What weapon?
neon bramble
I'll remove that before it gets pulled
primal cape
I think it was fists
sacred idol
if that's talos or something, that's nasty
primal cape
demeter that time
neon bramble
Triple jab coulda been so good for spear... But it's just not
I tried to make it work
primal cape
i thought they added spread to triple jab and wanted to try it
neon bramble
Why does it have to open wide with each successive hit
sacred idol
I actually want to do a Crystal Beam Luci run eventually.
So I can have nothing but lasers
neon bramble
If it was just the first spacing all the time, it would be awesome
sacred idol
Should I try it...
With the new duo
Yes, the meme one that makes the beams follow you
sacred idol
is it?
do you have to like... cast them all in one spot
and dash behind a boss
also I meant using it on lucifer so it's a bit memey
literally just because it's another beam
...but wait, if you use the luci special, you can use it to detonate said special
leaden hare
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night pasture
I just completed a beowulf run, and thought that it removed block, but is it just that it makes it so you block perpendicular to where you're aiming?
I didn't notice until I resumed practicing on my dear friend skelly
leaden hare
thank u patty for the touch of styx dark
night pasture
I have confirmed that yes, the aspect of beowulf makes you defend perpendicular to where you're aiming, in case anyone else needed that information
inner patrol
It's a glitch that they're hoping to fix in a later update
median oyster
has anyone else discovered how absurd eternal chamber on the rail's lucifer aspect + divine strike is
unkempt pagoda
@naive tusk there's another challenge winner! 
median oyster
the deflecting zone is a small area in front of you, not the projectile itself
sacred idol
oh wow
median oyster
if you get eternal chamber you can maintain it up at all times
sacred idol
that's very interesting
inner patrol
If it changed then there's reason to get it. In the beta though it could only be used to inflict exposed on whoever it hit but wouldn't deflect
median oyster
yeah it's insane
median oyster
i held attack during the entire heroes fight and didn't move
they couldn't do anything
when theseus got down to half, he spawned aphrodite, who only hits around where you're standing
so i still didn't have to move
inner patrol
Zeus + Eternal Chamber is solid but that's just because it's an on-hit effect & not one that boosts your attack stat
median oyster
ez butterfly stack
sacred idol
incredible
that's far nastier than even my insane athena call spam build
isn't the damage pretty bad though
median oyster
i mean who cares, you don't take damage
i didn't have the timed heat thing enabled so maybe it's relevant there
divine strike does buff your damage a fair amount though
naive tusk
@leaden hare Congratulations! Your name and picture will be added to the 
Hall of Fame
Thanks for taking part in this week's challenge 
livid comet
HALLO
naive tusk
Hi!
unkempt pagoda
is there a place where i can see the current hall of fame?
leaden hare
Thank you! I really had fun with this challenge, and I learned more about GY builds as well ♥️
hushed ledge
tfw i just lost 3 DD's to broken chariot phase thesues
unkempt pagoda
my highlight of this challenge was no-hitting hades
hushed ledge
it was pos call (imo the hardest by far), and he kept throwing the spear just after I thought he woould
and on L, so no real way to get damage in either
leaden hare
tbh I think EM3 Theseus is even harder than the final boss
hushed ledge
ehh
livid comet
...should I try the peach challenge?
hushed ledge
hopefully i can pick up some kisses in styx
livid comet
that's a really weird sentence out of context...
unkempt pagoda
it was fun for me!
naive tusk
@eternal quartz is the one who works on the Hall of Fame
I will let him know how it is coming together once he's on later 🙂
unkempt pagoda
naive tusk
All victory screens and/or videos are included there as well so people can take a peek at how others completed it 
naive tusk
"All Green!"
livid comet
aww
hushed ledge
and hammer reroll got hazard 😦
unkempt pagoda
bonus points, put butterfly on so you can really feel this challenge
livid comet
yeah that's what I did last time with this terrible mirror build
butterfly works real nice tho
note
this is also going to be my highest heat run
wish me luck
leaden hare
mewls in evergreen acorn
naive tusk
Good luck 🍀
unkempt pagoda
good luck!
livid comet
welp
started off with a hammer that didn't give me charged skewer
guess this run's dead
unkempt pagoda
maybe you could try out guan yu's new hammer
hushed ledge
oh also hazard bomb on L is garbage
cunning urchin
Should be doable without Charged Skewer. You're not running TD on high heat.
hushed ledge
ok so i cleared all tunnels, noo kisses
so now i have to decide if i want to try, or just buy the diamond and give up
eh
diamon
time to die
hushed ledge
I DID IT
jhafsdjlkhgfas dilhkjafsdgh
I got absurdly lucky
(think 6 20% dodges in a row)
that was one of the cleanest FB fights of my life
and i got a crazy lucky P2
he didn't jar until after half health
aaand i got beo unlock during that run as well so i now have all the new aspects!
hushed ledge
how does beo interact with infernal/stygian?
naive tusk
With Infernal Soul, it will drop the casts after you use them. With Stygian, you will have to wait until you regenerate them.
naive tusk
I'd go with Infernal Soul but be careful your bloodstones don't fall out of bounds.
sacred idol
What kiss is being referred to @hushed ledge
hushed ledge
kiss of styx
thorny sierra
has anyone tried using the bone hourglass and just trying to stack Well buffs? I'm curious about whether that's a viable use of the trinket slot now that there are so many more combat buffs offered by the Well.
naive tusk
That's what I try to do in Styx actually.
Last time I stacked 2 Ignited Ichors, a Braid of Atlas, a Prometheus Stone and an Eye of Lamia.
unborn trellis
so wait
can you really not block with beo? or am i doing something wrong
unkempt pagoda
i'm not entirely sure tbh
i've had occasional "blocked!" messages, and you can get the shield hammer that depends on blocking on beo
but the charging up itself doesn't seem to block
hushed ledge
that shield hammer in general is disfunctional
hushed ledge
gz
leaden hare
u can do it!
unkempt pagoda
but that hammer implies that blocking should be possible on beo
unkempt pagoda
@merry oxide neither are great on hestia, but flurry fire imo
merry oxide
I mean it's either those or cluster bomb
unkempt pagoda
spread fire doesn't change the empowered shot in any way, just the subsequent shots
hushed ledge
ok in my current run it appears to be blocking projectiles completely fine
unkempt pagoda
imo i'd take cluster bomb
hushed ledge
(also, rank 3 shackle pog)
unkempt pagoda
gives you something to do while you're reloading
merry oxide
I hate cluster bomb tbh, I prefer to use the single bomb usually
inner patrol
Tried Guan Yu & got beat by Theseus
torpid turret
Most absurd build right now. I have 10 zues boons just going absolutely ham
inner patrol
It's ambiguous
torpid turret
Does nothing
hybrid galleon
it makes bouldy rounder
unkempt pagoda
possibly, will check next time i'm playing
hushed ledge
ok yeah, testing, it seems to be super consistent!
unkempt pagoda
looks like it was a bug after all!
hushed ledge
yay!
merry oxide
god ||charon|| is such a hard fight
livid comet
okay, chariot is dead
first time fighting him
WAIT
YOU CAN SWAP HAMMERS AT TOP
FOR GOLD
ha ha ha ha
(I'll try it at a different time now because I'm not entirely sure how it works?)
unkempt pagoda
speaking of the anvil, is it possible now to get 3 total hammers on a weapon?
merry oxide
it removes a random hammer and gives you 2 random hammers @livid comet
you don't get to choose
no idea onyx
unkempt pagoda
i've only ever seen the anvil once and it was in the styx shop, where hermes would normally be
merry oxide
it was always there for me
naive tusk
@torpid turret stream links in #self-promotion please
manic arrow
I wonder what the least used boons are, overall
naive tusk
Whatever it was that you wanted to promote, it goes in that channel.
torpid turret
Damn so you cant even drop YouTube links lmao
naive tusk
Preferably in #h1-victory-boasting as it was created with that purpose in mind.
torpid turret
Alright well it wasnt a victory and the main focus was the build so I figured this was the better place, sorry.
hushed ledge
how's everyone feeling about the new shackle?
naive tusk
I don't use it because I like to start with 👛
naive tusk
It's a good option for Tartarus since you don't start with boons so you get a power boost from the get-go.
dry ember
I love Shackle
hushed ledge
it's in such a weird spot for me
hushed ledge
It lets you take super risky routes through tart, but I was doing that anyways
yeah, I'm most interested in seeing if its still worth in ash
clear dome
does rare crop evolve from styx chambers?
hushed ledge
it's a huge buff but the existence of coin purse as a temporary keepsake that gives you a bonus that "lasts" beyond its zone
means that shackle is super super weird
unkempt pagoda
styx mini rooms count towards rare crop, yes
naive tusk
does rare crop evolve from styx chambers?
@clear dome It will count the mini-chambers from each tunnel, so yes 👍
unkempt pagoda
generally most things count down from styx mini chambers, to my knowledge only pierced butterfly and lambent plume don't proc (for balancing reasons i assume)
naive tusk
You can also equip Shackle in Tartarus then equip Purse in Asphodel or later. I've equipped Purse in Elysium before.
hushed ledge
ye, but defensive options/gods to laser in on what you need to win are more valuable there
low urchin
I dont get the new Athena + Aphrodite duo, can someone explain it?
unkempt pagoda
casts can backstab, and you get +25% bonus when you do (on top of any backstab damage you have already)
low urchin
wait, without this duo, it can not backstab?
unkempt pagoda
not to my knowledge
low urchin
well, okay then, thanks
unkempt pagoda
👍
sacred idol
Do they not automatically backstab with the boon, or do they need to actually be facing the back?
unkempt pagoda
works great with athena's exposed status
naive tusk
Shadow Presence and Blinding Flash are the only things that will buff Parting Shot, right? Besides Nemesis Crest.
low urchin
I just did a run with it, but I had Demeter cast, so I could not see the difference
naive tusk
Not sure if I'm missing another thing that buffs backstab damage.
dry ember
You can also equip Shackle in Tartarus then equip Purse in Asphodel or later. I've equipped Purse in Elysium before.
Peach entering Elysium be like https://streamable.com/m9s2dp
low urchin
Chaos now have it
unkempt pagoda
nyx's keepsake
main osprey
you can say that you love your obols, clearly :3
unkempt pagoda
also, chaos has a new ambush boon that buffs backstab as well
naive tusk
Ah, yes, those too. They added a lot of backstab options now.
low urchin
and Nemesis item
unkempt pagoda
they've done a lot more with backstab/undamaged bonuses now
might have to try some new builds out
naive tusk
So there are 5 backstabbing options 
livid comet
something I discovered re:Butterfly - you can take damage as long as you aren't in the main room in styx and still get the bonus
naive tusk
Hehehe, I'm having ideas~
dry ember
next challenge is Shadow Presence + Shawl + Nemesis Sword + Shadow Slash
unkempt pagoda
bonus points for chaos's ambush
livid comet
also it's pretty bs imo that greatshields and swords can hit you with their ranged attacks in elysium but you can't with yours
low urchin
dont Aphro have a new boon if you get her cast? something about backstab or undameged
livid comet
hmmm
naive tusk
Blown Kiss 💋
low urchin
longer range sounds great
livid comet
flurry cast + aph cast
unkempt pagoda
how long is longer
livid comet
watch everything vanish
dry ember
-------------------------------------- like this long
hushed ledge
I'm really interested in trying out special beo builds tbh
unkempt pagoda
livid comet
that's... very helpful lol
unkempt pagoda
that's actually quite long lmao
livid comet
you realise that on phone that looks tiny
dry ember
it's as long as your monitor can support it
unkempt pagoda
is it like a snipe then?
livid comet
hey hey, I still want my melee burst damage back
unborn trellis
i did a beo special build the one time i used it
with the charged special hammer and artemis
crit for 1.4k
unborn trellis
the attack is awkward, you cant block and i was never a fan of cast loading
so special it is
livid comet
hm
unkempt pagoda
^
unkempt pagoda
likely a bug, there's also stuff that indicates it's supposed to block
hushed ledge
it functionally blocks for me at least
hybrid wave
so what companion do yall like to use? Figure I should finally invest in one
low urchin
I just realized, do every god now have a duo boon with all others?
leaden pine
are there any damage boosting boons that work multiplicatively, like Athena's anti-trap boon, or do they all just work additively?
naive tusk
Heart Rend 
random hull
Critical hits can be considered Multiplikators.
hushed ledge
I think the aphro more damage to pink enemies is multi
mossy badge
Heyo Lovely people - according to blood price update to unlock the new aspects you need: Guan Yu + each of the other aspects within that weapon at lvl 1. So how come I have run into artemis/chaos and haven't gotten it yet?
Or am i missing something?
mossy badge
oh 5 across all the different aspects?
hushed ledge
of that weapon yeah
naive tusk
tired elk
Empowering Flight very good for Chaos aspect?
mossy badge
thanks @naive tusk put in an extra point and BANG! ❤️
merry oxide
how good is aspect of lucifer?
hushed ledge
I don't think anyone has really come to any kinds of conclusions on new weapons
naive tusk
I try to help 🙂
turbid needle
I still don't have boudly yet 😔
tired elk
The snake boss does not mess around on hard mode lol
75% damage to chaos aspect shield or hangover for special?
Deadly flourish is common and Drunken Flourish is Rare
waxen imp
I want everyone here to know that Beowulf is not broken and is completely balanced as all things in life is. It absolutely does not melt everything in the game and at the same time does not protect you from all damage. Now if you excuse me, I'm going to face tank Hades.
@merry oxide get zeus attack and you just win the game
oh
@tired elk drunken flourish if you have chaos shield
stack it with all the poms
anything and everything will die by your facetanking and special spamming
tired elk
thank you lol
modest urchin
Does anyone else find the sword’s dash attack kind of hard to land?
waxen imp
nah
dry ember
Does anyone else find the sword’s dash attack kind of hard to land?
Yup. I struggled with it for a while before I got the hang of it.
modest urchin
I think it is because I dash at an angle too much towards the enemy because I’m too used to weapons that can still hit them from the side while with sword and dash attack build I need to dash directly at the enemy.
sacred idol
which aspect, and how so
livid comet
beowulf I presume
tired elk
^^
sacred idol
what do you mean, not broken? is that good or bad
tired elk
I only have 1 titan blood and I planned to go to bed
waxen imp
Broken.
waxen imp
NOT.
BROKEN.
let me put it this way
it's a shield
that gives you all the information you need to know
sacred idol
what are people talking about, lol
tired elk
Beowulf aspect
sacred idol
that does not give all the information
tired elk
It's MEH
waxen imp
but it does
tired elk
NOT broken
sacred idol
no it doesn't
waxen imp
it's shield
tired elk
Infernal soul still?
sacred idol
okay so this is just useless
saying the same thing over and over doesn't explain the "joke"
tired elk
oh yea cause without it you would only get one charge lol
twilit yarrow
i got it kilani
waxen imp
shield is basically spam shield charge, dash attack
with no chance of ever taking damage
tired elk
Damage control 2 is pretty disgusting if you get the butterfly elite
sacred idol
is it expected to be broken though, lmao
waxen imp
not broken
sacred idol
is this some kind of meme
waxen imp
it just became one
waxen imp
+100% charge attack dmg and can add a burst at the end for using a cast
is like the bow that i forgot the name of that charges a cast
sacred idol
is the janky block angle working as intended yet
waxen imp
dunno
modest urchin
It’s everywhere lol
twilit yarrow
how do i get the gun 4th aspect ;-;
sacred idol
do report it @livid comet
small stirrup
how do i get the gun 4th aspect ;-;
@twilit yarrow https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/521035166471159828/725092980829978655
clear dome
do you think aspect of Lebron James is kinda weak?
twilit yarrow
its beautiful
red hound
i only played it once but
special needs getting used to
but otherwise i thought it was a pretty strong aspect
verbal stump
am i going crazy or did they change the ||beowulf|| shield to blocks from the front again overnight
sacred idol
amir said the backshielding was unintended
fervent spoke
So fellow gamers, i am a bit hitting a wall. I am at low heat (1-4) and with some weapons i am struggling pretty hard (Varatha Spear): Still can't figure out what gods are better for some weapons. Often i have massive problems on Hades without Hermes Run Speed or extra dash. I play Athene much because i love the Dash and allways try to get the Tier3 Shield. I tried to understand the 'Damage on Special' google sheet from @cunning urchin but i lack some understanding. Also, is it still applicable for the current beta? And what punishment are better to take for starter? Playing on Keyboard - Mouse.
main osprey
For some people, which is fine. I recommend Damage Control (except for bow) for an easier Punishment
small stirrup
Since you specified the spear in particular, I'd suggest Athena for attack since the spin is a pretty good deflect. As for tips with Hades, try and get the timing of his attacks just right, especially of his sweep since that's his strongest move (Leaving the laser one)
verbal stump
i always take Heightened Security
cunning urchin
I'll be working on an up-to-date version that is more user friendly soon. 
main osprey
Also Nyaa, out of curiosity, what didn't you like about what I said about the Skelly Keepsake? Haven't experimented with it a lot so I'm wondering what you think about it
bleh that was worded poorly
cunning urchin
What you said about Lucky Tooth? Huh?
main osprey
In #hades-feedback about when it should trigger
I'd suggested that it go before DD but after SD
cunning urchin
Have you tried not getting hit? :hypnos:
main osprey
Yup, did it with GY
cunning urchin
I think it's fine the way it is.
cunning urchin
@livid comet just do another run. Get 'em!
verbal ibex
Do i lose the bufferfly damage buff if i take it off ?
cunning urchin
Yes.
earnest ravine
SUPER fun though, and the sound eventually activates a feeling of joy whenever you hear it
cunning urchin
Makes you pay more attention to enemy attacks.
verbal ibex
i just tried my first run with forced overtime... man that's a lot harder
neon bramble
The plume is just as good, and easier to boost up, imo
cunning urchin
Tell me about it. I'm practicing clearing the final boss with FO2 without taking damage, and let's just say I die a lot lol.
verbal ibex
i got to heat 10 on all weapons fairly easily, but now it's getting hard :(
cunning urchin
They've made a lot of attacks easier to deal with in the update, though, when you use FO1 or FO2.
main osprey
You'll get it ^.^
verbal ibex
eventually you run out of easy conditions and gotta use the hard ones
cunning urchin
Yeah, just hang in there! I thought for quite a long time I'm terrible at the game lol. Well, I still do. Got a long way to go!
cunning urchin
I think a good practice is TD1, and then eventually TD2.
Unless that's just something you don't like at all.
main osprey
Definitely not for everyone, but if you're comfortable moving quickly between rooms it's doable
neon bramble
EM3 + FO2 should always be on by default @verbal ibex
Eventually you just get used to it, and that's how the game is for you
cunning urchin
It will help you focus your builds, and you'll notice when you're wasting time instead of doing more damage when you have the chance.
Eh, I only pick EM3 on 40+ really because I need the heat.
Or maybe 32~40.
verbal ibex
makes sense
neon bramble
Maybe just EM2 for now, EM3 is tough until you get used to it
cunning urchin
EM2 is basically default, yeah.
main osprey
EM3 is a much bigger difference
small stirrup
I find EM2 an absolute pain
cunning urchin
I dunno. I've cleared 41 heat, and I'm still not used to EM3 lol. It's just a long fight unless you have very high DPS.
main osprey
Very true
EM1/2 just added some new things to avoid, whereas EM3 totally changes the fight
livid comet
tonight I dined in hell, visited a cemetery and played Hades
main osprey
As in, you played at the cemetery?
livid comet
no these are things I actually did
livid comet
lmao
main osprey
The way you worded it, it sounded like you played Hades at the cemetery
cunning urchin
Asterius's bull-rush speed on EM3 is dumb fast. And spin2win is literally 5 seconds of just running away with FO2, so without FO that should be even longer lol.
livid comet
spin to win is great
main osprey
You just gotta out-spin with the Beyblade
livid comet
you can just snipe him for free damage
cunning urchin
You can't outspin it lol. You'll end up taking big damage if you try.
neon bramble
You can dash through his spin if you have thunder dash or lightnng reflexes and still damage him
main osprey
Beyblade, which hits from a distance
livid comet
Beyblade??
main osprey
GY
livid comet
oh
celest mason
Doesn’t EO2 makes the game significantly harder? I mean I already hate the speed buff from BP
cunning urchin
Beyblade should be Ares' Aid and Ares' Aid only.
livid comet
it's spin is the last thing I think of lol
cunning urchin
BP1 in my opinion is a lot harder than EM2.
neon bramble
Agree
main osprey
Bruh GY spin is the core of the aspect
neon bramble
Ok.... So this was excessive
main osprey
The what?
hushed ledge
GY spin is the flashy part
livid comet
the special
hushed ledge
but it's also like not the main part
main osprey
I've rarely used the GY special
verbal ibex
GY spin is too damn slow
livid comet
the flourish
verbal ibex
i've only ever used the special
cunning urchin
We have a channel for victory boasting now. :P
livid comet
I've tell you only been building around the special
hushed ledge
GY special definitely warranted the nerf but it's still sad
neon bramble
The only spear I like is Hades aspect
main osprey
I've perfected the final boss with just spin
livid comet
the spin is misleading and a trap
neon bramble
And even then... Meh
livid comet
18 minute perfect clear with GY special
neon bramble
Both are valid
main osprey
The special has merit. I've just never bothered with it xD
main osprey
Zeus attack on quick spin melts
neon bramble
I've built around both
livid comet
try it out, it's a lot easier and faster to build around than the spin @main osprey
main osprey
Sure o7
livid comet
I used to build spin on GY initially too
main osprey
Any suggestions for flourish?
livid comet
and my last 20 runs have been GY special
neon bramble
Seastorm
main osprey
Aight
livid comet
Get her special, and get every pom onto it that you can
main osprey
Mm, makes sense
livid comet
I don't attack with the special build basically
all I do is dash + special
get Charged Skewer from hammer
this is mandatory
main osprey
Aight. Should get to sleep soon, but I'll give it a whirl tomorrow o7
neon bramble
Charged skewer is 👌
main osprey
Night ^.^
neon bramble
That's funny @livid comet
When I originally got GY, the nimble dash+special is how I played it
Constant
livid comet
nice
cunning urchin
My Guan Yu strategy is I wonder why I picked Guan Yu and walk back over to Malphon.
It's super effective.
neon bramble
Then I took that philosophy and did it with Zag aspect + exploding launcher
livid comet
ssshhh
merry oxide
alright, I have 6672 darkness after respec, what should I use them for?
cunning urchin
No idea how much you can do with 6672. Just put it in everything from the top.
merry oxide
depends on the weapon I guess? I'm usually pretty agressive and dodge heavy
cunning urchin
Oh you mean purple or yellow.
livid comet
honestly 6k isn't much... get the dashes
and the death defiance
and dark regen
and privileged status
neon bramble
I prefer family favourite
livid comet
casts aren't your thing I assume?
neon bramble
There are two casts you should try... They are both duos
Blizzard shot and curse of drowning
merry oxide
alright what now
cunning urchin
Death Defiance, Greater Reflex, Thick Skin. In that order.
merry oxide
maxed out those, now got 4227
cunning urchin
Dark Regen, too.
merry oxide
yep that's maxed out too
neon bramble
Yes
cunning urchin
Put the rest in Shadow Presence and Boiling Blood.
Deep Pockets too.
I dunno, you can do a lot with that.
neon bramble
If you have anything left over, golden touch
cunning urchin
Max out everything aboe Family Favorite.
neon bramble
It's better than deep pockets
merry oxide
so golden touch instead of deep pockets?
cunning urchin
Hard disagree. I'd pick Deep Pockets over Golden Touch every time.
neon bramble
You'll get 5x more gold over the course of a run over deep pockets
merry oxide
privileged or family favorite?
cunning urchin
Not if you're spending, which you should be.
Having more cash by Styx doesn't matter, if you made it to Styx, you don't need more cash to clear the run.
merry oxide
why boiling blood? I don't use cast
neon bramble
Read it and you'll understand
unborn trellis
Golden Touch is for low heat farming runs to buy the blood/diamond at the end
cunning urchin
Well, you should. Just apply a cast into anything that's tanky, and you'll do a lot more damage.
merry oxide
privileged or family favorite?
cunning urchin
Not by 50% because it's additive, but it does add a lot of damage, yeah.
Either one. Depends on the build you're going for.
Privileged if you're likely to apply 2 or more status effects.
Otherwise Family Favorite.
merry oxide
should I jsut max out both and switch when needed?
cunning urchin
I just use keys when I want to switch. Have no other use for keys now.
merry oxide
fair enough
cunning urchin
If you want to pick just one, I'd say Family Favorite because that works for every build.
merry oxide
what about olympian, dark foresight, god's, fated
neon bramble
Golden Touch is for low heat farming runs to buy the blood/diamond at the end
I disagree, but to each their own.
The simple fact is, within 10 rooms, you've already made more gold than what deep pockets gives you, even if you're spending
Especially if you go for Erebus gold
merry oxide
https://i.imgur.com/KaUNoE0.jpg what now then
cunning urchin
Golden Touch only applies when you leave a region. So what money you make before that doesn't matter if you spend it at the shop before the boss.
merry oxide
no...
cunning urchin
I only use Olympian Favor, God's Pride, and Fated Persuasion. But people pick either one.
turbid needle
are you confusing it w the new hermes boon
merry oxide
livid comet
what
cunning urchin
It's been like that from the start.
small stirrup
No, you get money every chamber
Thats quick hustle
livid comet
it didn't change
turbid needle
it never changed?
livid comet
it's always been +15% max when you leave a zone
cunning urchin
lol
livid comet
so it's great when you're farming for blood and diamonds at low heat
cunning urchin
It's not bad, either way. I used to use it a lot, but I've come to appreciate the early cash from Deep Pockets a lot more.
livid comet
and honestly even for mid game
neon bramble
Ha, I've been using it the entire time
I totally thought it was after every chamber
small stirrup
It has always been every region
merry oxide
https://i.imgur.com/KaUNoE0.jpg what now then
any help? I'm not sure where to put the other 3302
livid comet
uhhh
cunning urchin
I'd max out God's Pride first.
small stirrup
Ummmmmmmmmmmmm
merry oxide
alright, 1302 left
small stirrup
I'd use the yellow of olympian favor
cunning urchin
Olympian Favor, then.
small stirrup
cough Ice wine cough
merry oxide
yellow for favor is rewards
cunning urchin
On the other side of Olympian Favor is Dark Foresight.
merry oxide
not legenderies and duos
small stirrup
Oh
livid comet
ah it's changed
cunning urchin
Yeah, that's changed.
merry oxide
it's not
livid comet
I keep forgetting that
cunning urchin
They swapped Dark Foresight and Gods' Legacy.
livid comet
so yeah get the rarity up as high as you can
small stirrup
Yeah then go ahead with olympian favor
cunning urchin
Actually.
livid comet
other than that... fated authorities and persuasions are great
cunning urchin
Put 1 point into Fated Persuasion.
livid comet
rerolling boons is super useful
cunning urchin
Getting to reroll the first boon you get at least once can be incredibly helpful.
livid comet
also
small stirrup
Yeah
merry oxide
alright, then the rest into favor?
small stirrup
then just take keys if given the cahnce
cunning urchin
Yeah.
livid comet
do you have the upgrade that improves keys yet?
merry oxide
yes
small stirrup
Good
merry oxide
I have all of those upgrades
livid comet
oh good, that's very good
livid comet
that lets you grab multiple authorities/persuasions per run
merry oxide
making sure, this is right, right? https://i.imgur.com/5gu1YTE.jpg
merry oxide
alright, now I have to go get another key ugh
cunning urchin
Well, just do a run or two, and you should have enough.
livid comet
not a big deal
you don't cast anyway
so you're fine
glad to see most of us are on the same page wrt boons
golden touch I find is more useful even if you hold off spending until asphodel
cunning urchin
I don't hold off spending until Asphodel.
livid comet
even so, there are different ways to build around those talents
merry oxide
is level 1 for each of the 3 aspects enough to get 4th aspect?
livid comet
what do you tend to spend on nyaa?
cunning urchin
@neon bramble might wanna give Deep Pockets another chance.
neon bramble
Lol, no kidding
cunning urchin
Boons, hearts, poms.
neon bramble
Hahaha, I've been handicapping myself
livid comet
uhh you just need to spend 5 blood across one thing
merry oxide
does that get to 5?
livid comet
I actually find I purchase a ton of them with golden touch, more so than I was with just deep pockets
but who knows
cunning urchin
Should be enough, yes.
merry oxide
alright so now I can get 4th aspect for bow and shield, do I also need to be using them in the run where I come across whoever I need to unlock the aspect?
livid comet
nope
merry oxide
it's chaos and artemis right?
small stirrup
Yes
merry oxide
and i Just need to find them right? or am I forgetting something
small stirrup
Just meet them in the run and you'll have a chance of them giving you the words for 4th aspect
livid comet
they might not say it
cunning urchin
You'd need 666 obols when you get out of Tartarus to get 100 obols from Golden Touch.
livid comet
so you may need to try multiple times
sure
I'm consistently at around 500 when I leave
and then you get more when you leave asphodel
so you've already hit equity by then
merry oxide
what should I go for for my build with the shield? what aspect, what keepsakes, etc
livid comet
and the poms you get at the top give more bang for buck
cunning urchin
vs 1 reward from the chamber you're skipping.
livid comet
chaos, doom deflect merciful end
hmmm
yeah but most of the time I don't really want the things charon is offering
actually
question
how do you consistently get posiedon farming build
merry oxide
ok so what keepsake do I start with?
livid comet
athena or ares
small stirrup
Arty on special
livid comet
merciful end on chaos shield is how I got my first clear in Hades
merry oxide
what is merciful end remind me?
cunning urchin
Buying boons for core slots you don't care about gives you a much better chance of getting the core boons you care about from the gods you want.
small stirrup
Doom does more damage
cunning urchin
Or a higher chance to get the t2 boons you want.
livid comet
so you inflict doom and then you do athena dash
and the doom damage is dealt immediately
small stirrup
I mean essentially doom hits instantly and does extra damage
livid comet
not at all what "doom does more damage" means
cunning urchin
It also opens up duo potential.
merry oxide
so wait I want athena attack?
livid comet
hmm