h1-builds-and-combat

[kind cloud]

Friendship with artemis excalibur tank build has ended.
Friendship with beowulf + dashing Flight + charged Flight has started.

Meet the new tank build and it doesn't need artemis crits to get huge numbers.

RicFlairWOOOOOOOOOO!

I did it with aphro (special, epic lvl 3), dio (cast, epic, lvl 2), ares, and artemis (crit 3%) and got silly numbers.

Here's haelian's run. He did it with poseidon, zeus, and artemis. Just watch the boss encounter with asterius. 22:05-22:40. But Haelian's run is supercharged by poseidon's hydraulic might. It let him do +174% damage on attack of special in the first 5 seconds of an encounter.

Also look at 31:55 -32:02 against the giant rat mini boss in styx. That's the first time I've seen two quick attacks in succession render thanatos meaningless/irrelevant. the special did 5500 damage and 1688 damage in a split second before thanatos could do his 3500 damage attack. But in a later room, thanatos does 6300 damage against a satyr which uh...kinda didn't make sense so who knows.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8ReMEngMp4

[stuck bough]

Going for a fist run, any builds y'all recommend?

[untold vortex]

Have fun ^_^

There's a tonne of builds

Plenty new because of the new update

[stuck bough]

I mean I usually went with athena/ares for fists so lol

[untold vortex]

Ares attack, athena dash + merciful end is a very strong build

[inner patrol]

||If you have Blood Price Dio attack Ares Special for the new duo boon||

[stuck bough]

ooh sounds interesting

[inner patrol]

Artemis does good in general on the fists because of how many attacks you get off just by holding down the attack button

[stuck bough]

I just dash attacked everything lol

[magic dagger]

better imo to get athena attack, artemis (something) and deadly reversal

[inner patrol]

Yeah that's a solid build for Demeter aspect because of Giga Cutter

[untold vortex]

They're both good zoom, comes down to personal preference and playstyle

[stuck bough]

welp more builds to try lol

[boreal bobcat]

Does the dash strike bonus hammer work with Arthur's sword? I sure seem to be doing more damage, but it's hard to tell

[magic dagger]

it works, but only if you're actually dash-striking

it doesn't affect dash-cancelled combos

@boreal bobcat

[fast fern]

does Exit Wounds work with Blizzard Shot?

[magic dagger]

no, blizzard shot doesn't lodge

[untold vortex]

Only casts that loadge work woth exit wounds

[fast fern]

that's what I thought, I feel like Exit Wounds should not be offered if you have casts that do not lodge

[untold vortex]

It usually isn't offered in that instance tiger

[fast fern]

it must see it as Flood Shot and not as the duo

[inner patrol]

Yeah it still counts as Flood Shot

I still that there was an alternative to Lightning Rod for when you use Stygian Soul

[civic barn]

like the really old version of Lightning Rod? am i remembering it wrong?

it used to be that it throws a bolt on whoever you lodge a cast into over a period of time, right

[verbal stump]

oh god I just got my ass handed to me by Charon

[inner patrol]

I actually wouldn't mind that, even if it was lower damage than the current one

[heady zephyr]

for the fists i prefer athena on both attack and dodge honestly

[hybrid wave]

@verbal stump the first time I fought him I had 50 max health and he ||oar slapped me for 60 health within the first 5 seconds of the fight||. It's easily the most embarrassed I've felt playing this game

[naive tusk]

@kind cloud Please post links like that in #self-promotion

[hybrid wave]

So what's up with legendary shield aspect's block..? I only by chance figured out it can block at all and at an almost unusable angle

[velvet thicket]

it blocks during the dash but not when you're holding it up as far as i can tell

[verbal stump]

no it block directly behind you

instead of in front

[kind cloud]

@naive tusk oh rly? i didn't know there was self-promotion channel. and i'm confused. i'm not haelian. i linked his video as proof so i wasn't seeking to promote but rather to demonstrate. am i missing something?

[boreal bobcat]

You know, I was all 'Wow, Athena's legendary looks kind of garbage', but that's before I got Athena Dash + Epic Hermes Dash + Athena Legendary. Now I'm just a giant ball of sfx running through the satyr tunnels without even bothering to swing Arthur half the time

[hybrid wave]

oh behind - that makes a lot more sense. Is the angle of blocking kind of large cause I thought it was like diagonally behind based on the animation lol [I thought it was the 4oclock angle instead of 6oclock]

[naive tusk]

#self-promotion topic is: "A place to share streams, music, and art. Please ensure that any linked material doesn't break any of the server rules!"

It can be used to promote oneself or others. There have been cases where people use alternate accounts to promote and also other people promoting someone else in unison. It's to keep things fair and under control 👍

[verbal stump]

yeah i thought so too, because of the pose I thought I block at an akward behind but not really angle @hybrid wave

discovered the back protection during my fight with ||charon|| when his attack bounce off the wall and hit me from behind

[kind cloud]

@naive tusk cool, cool. got it. i gotta be upfront...i didn't read the server rules so i wasn't aware. (and people use alternate accounts to promote? weird. <shrug>)

[dry ember]

It's more to prevent spam and stuff. You are good. Just post stuff where they belong!

[naive tusk]

Yes

You weren't aware of that so all is ok

[boreal bobcat]

It's not just my imagination, right? Athena legendary ignores the satyr stones and rat poison?

[dry ember]

Peach 🍑. Busy day huh. Good luck

[naive tusk]

(I just want to play some Hades)

[boreal bobcat]

Hm, no, I guess the satyr stones do pop it sometimes

[naive tusk]

Speaking of Hades, any fun build for ||Beowulf?||. Not necessarily "meta" but to have fun with

[dry ember]

Shatter Flare

[naive tusk]

What's that?

[dry ember]

Crush shot xD

I just merge the old and new name together

[naive tusk]

Oh-kay. Aphrodite run it is

[sterile portal]

Foxy, I'm getting closer to that sweet 6x32

2/6 done, and climbing

[dry ember]

Nice!

You got it pal

Now get out of here boyo

[sterile portal]

Thanks skelly, can I hit you a couple more times?

[burnt granite]

the new aspect of the shield is basically one of the bows one but also need to go in all the combat

[dry ember]

So do you think it's underpowered?

[burnt granite]

hmmmmm

no

[velvet thicket]

the reward is greater since it turns all the casts aoe

[burnt granite]

i think is more like repetitive

whats next, put the same skill o nall the weapons and they canc ahrge whit the red stones? xDD

[frank tide]

do attack and special boons affect the dash variant normally?

[burnt granite]

and is the only thing especial on the new one isnt it?

[dry ember]

Tbh Chaos Shield is pretty repetitive for me

[burnt granite]

u can play it in many ways tbh

[dry ember]

Hmm i tend to disagree there

[untold quiver]

I'm liking Beowulf as a concept I just need to find the cast I like

[dry ember]

Chaos usually takes a limited pool of boons to be good

[burnt granite]

the cast u gonna like probably is whit artemis red stone change

[velvet thicket]

zeus is still my favorite aspect for shield i think

[dry ember]

Like Lightning Flourish, Druken Flourish, or Doom

[burnt granite]

i make it work whit zeus whit hades whit artemisa......xD

also whit poseidon

[dry ember]

With Beowulf testing each different cast is fun

[untold quiver]

I had some fun with Ares.....big time blender action

[heady zephyr]

good god, what's the deal with beowulf

i just lost 2 DDs against the furies

[untold quiver]

Yikes

[burnt granite]

is strong

[dry ember]

Furies get buffed

[heady zephyr]

it hits hard for sure

[dry ember]

So don't underestimate them :D

[burnt granite]

but on my opinion u sacrifice the especial atack and the protection of the shield

[heady zephyr]

but between the +15% damage and the rear blocking it's rough

[velvet thicket]

i think furies are actually the hardest enemies to deal with using beowulf

[heady zephyr]

all the projectile spam really messes with you

[velvet thicket]

other bosses allow you to take your time a little more

[heady zephyr]

it would actually be pretty good against the final boss and theseus i imagine

although i can also imagine it being awwwful against the hydra

[untold quiver]

I'm liking Rama Bow.........might be my new favorite

[burnt granite]

is any feedback i can give to supergian here? or need to be on the game screen?

[heady zephyr]

rama is cool, the rail aspect is amazing

[burnt granite]

what is oding rama bow?

[untold quiver]

Favorite now anyway

Bow

[heady zephyr]

@burnt granite #hades-feedback

[neon bramble]

Honestly... While the casts on Beowulf are fun... The real damage is in the special attack

[heady zephyr]

rama is pretty cool, my issue is that special boons feel like a waste of space on it

[verbal stump]

@velvet thicket have you tried fight charon with beowulf? it's a nightmare

[velvet thicket]

i think i beat him with it but i lost all my dds so i agree

[burnt granite]

i figth charon whit the chaos and was pretty easy

[untold quiver]

Really I did Demeter special did great speads for her dot good

[heady zephyr]

honestly bow has no bad aspects, even the zag aspect is really good on it

[neon bramble]

Dude... If you have charged flight on Beowulf, you'll chunk every boss

[burnt granite]

i mena, y, he do alot of damage

but its easy to dodge

[neon bramble]

Just need to enable Crits

[inner patrol]

It's especially the case if you can get the charged throw for the special

[civic barn]

have you tried lightning flourish on it sunn bro

[untold quiver]

I can see Dio cast being goodie Beowulf especially if you get some of the fog enhancing boons

[velvet thicket]

i think lucifer rail with dio/aphro is gonna be my go to build for the foreseeable future i keep turning the heat up and it keeps wrecking shop

[heady zephyr]

@civic barn i haven't, but even then it seems like it would be worse on rama than on a regular bow since you're losing some arrows

although i guess the tighter spread lets you hit more of them?

[neon bramble]

Zeus on rama special is good

[heady zephyr]

yeah i just did a dio/aphro lucifer as well and it shredded

[neon bramble]

Not super op, but good

[heady zephyr]

what else? zeus on lucifer's primary is good too

[untold quiver]

Does Lucifer get the rocket? Or no?

[neon bramble]

No

[velvet thicket]

it gets replaced

[untold quiver]

Darn hellfire rockets would be sweet

[heady zephyr]

i had a run with zeus primary and the triple beam on lucifer, was pretty nuts

[velvet thicket]

does the triple beam shorten the range

[neon bramble]

Cluster bomb and rocket are out for Lucy

[heady zephyr]

i don't believe so

[neon bramble]

Triple beam sucks

[inner patrol]

It gets replaced with (I believe) Greater Inferno

[heady zephyr]

nor does it affect ammo efficiency

[velvet thicket]

LMAO ok i've gotta try that

[neon bramble]

Flash fire + concentrated fire is best

[velvet thicket]

flash fire is definitely the strongest as far as i can tell

[inner patrol]

Triple Beam maintains distance & is probably only good with Zeus

[untold quiver]

Triple bomb is great through...with any kind of damage dash your dropping them then dashing in

[heady zephyr]

ehhhh with lucifer it's better to focus on on-hits for the primary fire over trying to make it primary dps

[neon bramble]

You'll only hit with the middle beam on triple

It's a waste

Unless you facetank everything

[civic barn]

lucifer's attack doesn't actually feel like it deserves a hammer when you compare it to the special

[heady zephyr]

it's actually pretty easy to hit multiple enemies with triple beam compared to the triple rifle shot

[neon bramble]

It's too wide

[civic barn]

i think if you're going lucifer you should just upgrade the special; hellfire and more uses of some sort

triple rifle shot?

[inner patrol]

See I'm the opposite there, Skal. I pretty much never use the special & just keep the normal attack hammered down

[velvet thicket]

i disagree i've been focusing heavily on the attack and getting a ton of mileage out of it

[neon bramble]

If you get greatest reflex and Zeus attack, infinite ammo is a serious consideration

[velvet thicket]

i mostly use the special to apply doom or weak

[neon bramble]

But, you do lose some damage potential

[untold quiver]

I don't know.....pre aspects the shield was my best weapon. ..now it's probably my worst lolol if got a go to for every other weapon

[civic barn]

there's no triple rifle shot right? that's on the bow; is it spread shot on rail?

[inner patrol]

Pretty much crab

[heady zephyr]

no, i was thinking of the shotgun

[inner patrol]

Yes, which sadly got nerfed

[civic barn]

silver i run on forced overtime+2 and you never really get time to setup the beam

[inner patrol]

It now has -6 ammo attached to it, too

[heady zephyr]

yeah that's the big thing, the rampup is a killer even with the +ramp hammer

[civic barn]

shotgun is spread shot which is nothing like triple shot right

[heady zephyr]

nope, not at all

[civic barn]

seems kinda weird to compare the two since they don't make you play similarly

[inner patrol]

Okay yeah with Forced Overtime I can see it. If I were to do it I'd go Poseidon attack. Firehose away

[neon bramble]

Spread fire still a solid choice for Hestia

[heady zephyr]

i was thinking of the triple arrow shot, which is tbf nearly impossible to hit anything with

[neon bramble]

That's exactly what triple beam is like

[civic barn]

i thought spread fire doesn't allow you to take advantage of hestia's reload boost?

[neon bramble]

Except you can sweep with it

[inner patrol]

Unless that changed with the update it does

[neon bramble]

I thought they changed it

I may be mistaken

[civic barn]

triple shot on bow sort of works when you have the right combinations i feel; lucy is just a bit more limited in my opinion

i thought that was taken out because it was too strong a while back

well, time to find out!

[inner patrol]

Spent Spirit got changed in the 11th hour to a duo that instead applies backstab damage to your cast

[heady zephyr]

what did you get triple shot to work with? i mean maybe it could work decently with rama now

[neon bramble]

Also.... Support fire on Lucy is 👌

Just fyi

[heady zephyr]

oh yeah support fire is great

[civic barn]

i actually prefer dual shot on rama

[heady zephyr]

i haven't tried either on rama so i can't comment

[civic barn]

if i'm not building towards the special first with extra volleys

[inner patrol]

Yeah that gets pretty nasty with Artemis

[neon bramble]

If you go Zeus + support fire I strongly encourage Infinite ammo. You won't care about the ramping damage going away

Errrr... Eternal chamber

[inner patrol]

That's the case with any on-hit attack boom

[civic barn]

but with triple shot explosive shot worked fine; if i didn't get it i just made do with a boon that takes advantage of big crowds like zeus or poseidon

[neon bramble]

Boons dont work with shared suffering

Only explosive shot does

[untold quiver]

The boosted damage components do

[heady zephyr]

well they do scale off attack boons right? since shared suffering scales off attack damage

[neon bramble]

Right.... But Zeus has no boosted damage

[civic barn]

i was referring to aspects besides rama since that's what sunn br0 was asking

[neon bramble]

So Zeus on attack is a waste

[civic barn]

or at least that's what it sounded like

since those were two different conversations there

[inner patrol]

Which really sucks because it means if you crit with it, it doesn't apply that crit damage on Shared Misery

[neon bramble]

Yes it does

[inner patrol]

I haven't noticed it, but I don't use it very often

[neon bramble]

Any base damage boost is shared, but you won't get multiple knockback from say, Poseidon shared across all

In general I find rama underwhelming

I'll take Hera bow + twin shot any day

[inner patrol]

I've felt the same way. Still undecided on Beowulf overall

[neon bramble]

Go beo and try one of the following builds:

Ares attack + phalanx flare + merciful end

[inner patrol]

Mostly it has to do with the fact that they got rid of Beoblade

[neon bramble]

Or just get charged flight + dashing flight and pump your special with Artemis

You'll be throwing 2-5k Crits on bosses

[inner patrol]

Does the new cast work better? Probably. It was just the perfect pun & I love the blade synergies

[mystic vale]

I have Hoarding Slash and I'm at the last store with 2227 coins and seriously considering not blowing the 1,500 on the Blood just to keep the damage boost. :p

(Note; I also have Double Edge...)

[neon bramble]

Just fyi... The slash boost doesn't add to base

[civic barn]

explosive fire works with hestia at least so maybe it does work with spread fire? 🤔

[neon bramble]

It just adds damage on top

[civic barn]

it's not in the patch notes so it should be the same as before

[inner patrol]

Even without hoarding slash I almost never buy whatever the item at the last shop as is

[civic barn]

but i don't play hestia usually

[mystic vale]

It's still a very large boost.

[neon bramble]

It's 5% right?

[mystic vale]

Out of 2,227 coins presently, yes.

[neon bramble]

So that's basically 100 damage

[mystic vale]

+111 isn't nothing.

[neon bramble]

If it added it to base damage, I'd say yes

But I don't think it does

[civic barn]

i think what he's trying to say is that you can get much more damage out of 2000 obols

[mystic vale]

Especially since with double edge it's hitting on both strikes.

[civic barn]

if you just spent it

[mystic vale]

Except I'd be spending it on Titan Blood.

Which is +0 damage.

[neon bramble]

Lol

[civic barn]

🤷‍♂️

[inner patrol]

Of your gold on attacks, yes. The problem is that dash attack counts as a different type of attack (unless they changed it since I last did it) so they don't stack on top of each other

[mystic vale]

I suppose I could buy the two 150 boons.

Since they might be more +damage.

[civic barn]

if that's what you're going for then it's hardly a damage issue right

[mystic vale]

And it could well be a damage boost - I don't have an actual +attack boon.

[civic barn]

you'd still hoard money whether you get hoarding slash or not

[inner patrol]

I'll be honest, I kinda want to try a Broken Shackle build

[civic barn]

because your goal is to buy titan blood

[mystic vale]

Zeus and Artemis on offer, although Zeus's is...not the greatest with the spoiler sword aspect.

[neon bramble]

Broken shackle is best used with hoarding slash

Think about it

[inner patrol]

That's what made me think of it

[mystic vale]

I liked the old broken shackle. 😦

It's fun in Elysium because it's very easy to lead enemies into traps there.

[inner patrol]

It was great for Asphodel, but otherwise....

[neon bramble]

I want to know if chaos boons count as attack boons

Or if you can cheat on broken shackle with them

[mystic vale]

I assume hammer boons are boons.

Or are those "modifications?"

[neon bramble]

I think those are ok

[inner patrol]

I would imagine they still work. It should be ones that apply to the moves that are always on the side of your screen, not the Chaos, Hermes, or Daedalus upgrades

[neon bramble]

So, core boons only

That makes things interesting

[mystic vale]

So, yeah, I tried the Artemis boon, no Deadly Strike twice (Thanks, Approval Process!) and the damage boost from the remaining 2077 coins? Uh...pretty sure that's the fastest I've ever taken Hades down.

[night pasture]

whoof, new exagryph aspect with ares curse on special means you can just set up a field and dash around and let your enemies kill themselves

I'm only on 10 heat though

[thick raptor]

Rama's special is a really effective doom sewer

[neon bramble]

Try that with Athena dash and merciful end 😏

@night pasture

[night pasture]

so I just got out of tartarus and literally switched to athena's tinket for that exact setup

I admire the wavelength we're on

[heady zephyr]

it's also really easy to bait enemies into blowing up the mines themselves

it also seems like they interrupt melee attacks/charges, even from bosses. i'm pretty sure i ran asterius into a mine a few times

[velvet thicket]

i just take piercing shot whenever it's available to trigger special

[heady zephyr]

zeus on attack is also great for triggering the mines

[night pasture]

I actually do have zeus on attack, which is also ridiculous, because it's continous

I should have stuck more heat on this run I wasn't sure what I was getting into

[velvet thicket]

honestly i feel like i could clear the whole game at high heat with just dio attack and aphro special on lucy and everything else is just overkill. hope this is just a me thing so they don't nerf it

like i just cleared 20 heat and it was also my fastest ever run

[night pasture]

whoof

[velvet thicket]

also great for higher heat bc it makes blue hearts free

[night pasture]

oh man, I hadn't thought about that

I tuned things down because I pretty much hadn't played since the last major update and didn't want to miss new content for new stuff I didn't know how to handle

[thick raptor]

Hurh, unsure what it is (though definitely two defeats by ||Charon||), but I came off of a 5 win streak before the patch and then have not had any luck with a win since on another 5ish runs

[civic barn]

new enemies maybe?

there's a lot of new intricacies so i wouldn't be too defeated about it; now's the time to learn

[thick raptor]

Oh certainly, am just surprised at the sudden blockage. I think a lot of it is experimenting with new stuff, just a surprise, and oh well, new dialogue when I die

[inner patrol]

So Nemesis aspect is great with Broken Shackle. Having to play a little differently than I normally do with Stygius, but it DOES work with Chaos/Hermes boons

[night pasture]

I've been playing since the first version and I've never had an easier 10 heat clear than the new exagryph aspect with ares on the special, athena on dash

well, I had an easier 10 heat clear in the old heat version, where it was a resource you could put into a run?

and it went up to 120

but, I mean

this weapon is a serpent

[velvet thicket]

yeah there's a lot of ways to make it totally bonkers

definitely the highlight of the update for me

[inner patrol]

Agreed

[velvet thicket]

the fact that once you get used to it you can use its special to block attacks on top of everything else the weapon does already is uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh lmao

[inner patrol]

I managed to get Hoarding Slash from the Anvil & by the time I got through all of the tunnels I had almost 2k gold & was critting for 487 without any crit boons

[velvet thicket]

hoarding slash seems overtuned

[inner patrol]

Sooooo yeah, Broken Shackles & Nemesis Stygius is busted

[night pasture]

new run, the 7th aspect of the rama is no slouch

[inner patrol]

It takes a very specific kind of build IMO

[fast fern]

what is a good knuckle hammer with Zeus attack?

[stuck elbow]

Long knuckle is pretty good

[lament perch]

I was going to try an Ice Wine run. Sure, I said, this is a cast run so I can use the bow even though I'm not great with it

[stuck elbow]

The combo one that increases in damage with consecutive strikes is also solid

Same with the one that adds a +60% dash strike to the attack chain

[lament perch]

And then I didn't get trippy shot until Elysium, didn't get the duo, and died in a trial where I spurned Aphrodite

[fast fern]

I always take Aphro first, her seeking heart is the hardest to avoid IMO

[velvet thicket]

that's just the way of it, sometimes you do everything right w/ your god picks and just never get the boon you need

[lament perch]

I normally never spurn Aphrodite, but it was her or Demeter and I was hoping I could at least try the duo before I died lol

Didn't work obvi

[inner patrol]

Concentrated Knuckle is good, Breaching Cross is great on any Malphon build, I used to like Long Knuckle but not as much anymore, and those are the only upgrades I can think of for the attack that does good for on-hit effects like Zeus or Ares

[velvet thicket]

you can't really build around zeus with the fists like you can with the rail. like it's still a good choice for the fists obviously but there's no flurry fire or anything like that

you just kinda take zeus and then build everything else as normal

[fast fern]

I grabbed heavy knuckle since I already had an 89% dash-strike chaos boon, I figured concentrated wouldn't be all that helpful for this run

[smoky oasis]

guys are there any lazy builds?

[fast fern]

ice wine

[smoky oasis]

like you just sit there idly and let mobs hit you till they die

[velvet thicket]

i mean that's arthur

[fast fern]

yeah, arthur

[inner patrol]

Concentrated would probably be better than Heavy Knuckle so you can get more lightning out of it

[fast fern]

how does dash-strike work with fists? is it only the first hit that gets a bonus?

[velvet thicket]

yes

[cunning urchin]

Breaching Cross has top priority if you're running BP2—especially when also running with TD2.

I don't know if Rolling Knuckle is still nerfed like in the beta or if that's been changed back. No patch notes on Rolling Knuckle, so I imagine it's back to pre-beta. If that's the case, that's my #1 pick any other time.

[inner patrol]

As for lazy build, anything with heavy Athena focus is that, especially with a rarer Call

[cunning urchin]

Dash-Strike bonuses on Malphon will apply both to Dash-Strikes (Dash + Attack) and Dash-Uppers (Dash + Special).

[fast fern]

but only the first hit after the dash, correct? Or does it apply to a few hits with the attack?

[inner patrol]

Only the dash attack itself

[cunning urchin]

Dash-Strikes have a distinct animation. It doesn't apply to the regular 5-hit combo (or 3-hit with Heavy Knuckle).

It will apply to the 6th hit that is a Dash-Strike when you have Rolling Knuckle.

[inner patrol]

Now if you have Rolling Cross your last attack functions as a dash attack, getting any benefits to dash attacks you have

[cunning urchin]

You can do Dash-Strike into Dash-Upper with only one dash by pressing Special immediately after the Dash-Strike (gotta practice the timing for that).

[fast fern]

thanks for the info

[cunning urchin]

I'm actually not sure if Breaching Cross applies to only Dash-Strikes with Attack or also Dash-Uppers. Maybe @raw violet knows that.

[raw violet]

oh that's a really good question, I wanna say attack only but i've never paid that much attention

[sterile portal]

I believe it's explicitly dash-strikes

instead of "dash-attacks"

[raw violet]

i'll have to pay close attention

next time, but I don't remember ever seeing dash uppers that were out of the ordinary for numbers

[cunning urchin]

Well, Hunter Dash is explicitly "Dash-Strikes" and applies to both.

Same for Dash-Strike boons from Master Chaos.

[raw violet]

i'm gonna lean towards nyaanyaa on this, which is also what i've always assumed

cause it would be easy to see up to 8-10k crits with dash uppers

if breaching applied to dash upper

and i'm certain if that happened, i would notice that

[cunning urchin]

I don't use Uppers enough to notice.

[raw violet]

not that there are many armored enemies that have enough armor to register that much damage

but i'll have to pay attention next time I get it

[stuck elbow]

yeah, we will have updated cheat sheets done in a bit I'd think

for boons and hammer upgrades

[inner patrol]

Will need a new one for Artemis too, since it takes a new path to unlock her (nerfed) legendary

[fast fern]

did it end at +2?

[inner patrol]

Yeah, it used to be +3 so with your extra bloodstones you'd have 6, and now you need two out of the three of Hunter's Mark, Exit Wounds, and Support Fire

[stuck elbow]

they also changed dual shot from a generic to her duo with Poseidon

[inner patrol]

Shame about Dual Cast becoming a duo boon, but I get it with things like Hera & the new Aegis aspect

[stuck elbow]

tbh I'm personally not too upset as you can still make the Blade Rift build

and now mirage shot can potentially be picked up if you are doing a Poseidon caster build

[inner patrol]

I actually got them while using it & got 10 blasts at once. Really chunked the final boss when you deliver a can of 5k damage directly to his forehead

Gonna admit the new aspect does best with the Charged Shot Daedalus upgrade. Better than the rest of them, IMO

[stuck elbow]

I'm pretty fond of the new aspects overall

LeBron James Rail with Zeus attack is basically death star laser

[inner patrol]

Rama's the only one I have issues with (with the exception of missing my ||Beoblades||) but that's mostly gotta do with how slow the draw is with it

Man if you're gonna say it's a death star at least go with Artemis & complete the look

[stuck elbow]

Yo, I'm gonna do that

the look is too good to pass up

[inner patrol]

It's great with the default best Daedalus upgrades for it, too

[velvet thicket]

if they find it calls for a nerf i hope they turn it into a glass cannon weapon like beo or guan yu rather than tone down the damage output

bc it's crazy fun to use tbh

[inner patrol]

Honestly if they retooled it to be a modified Eris (use your special to increase damage) I wouldn't mind them bringing the damage down on it

[unkempt pagoda]

rakers suck ❤️ but they look hella cool so it's gucci

doomstone also falls into this review

[inner patrol]

Gonna have to agree with Jawless Paul & say that the rakers are designed specifically for revenge against Malphon mains

[cunning urchin]

How-to-Malphon in three pictures. https://imgur.com/a/D6dx4wG https://imgur.com/a/1wVuacK https://imgur.com/a/6Q1NRCo

[inner patrol]

Can't necessarily argue with that

[cunning urchin]

I think Bone-Rakers are a nonissue for Malphon.

[inner patrol]

I'm just saying that they're meant to be like "let's see how YOU like being stunlocked"

[cunning urchin]

Either just deflect, or let them whiff their flailing arms and then stunlock them.

[inner patrol]

Never said it was difficult to counter, just that that's what they were designed for

[leaden pine]

wait there was a 3.2mb update and now it says "first time playing, installing"

panicks

[verbal stump]

anyone got a strat for beating Charon without losing all your Death Defiance?

[cunning urchin]

@verbal stump Krashercorr has a no-hit video of that fight. I'll link it in #self-promotion.

@raw violet can probably give some general tips himself, too.

[civic barn]

to add on to that -though I'm not as good at it as Krashercorr is- Charon's attacks, outside of when he moves towards the assigned locations to summon the bullet hell clouds, attacks in rather slow rhythmic patterns. The aoe stun should come before the two oar swipes, so if you get the beat down you can time your dodge ahead of time.

[raw violet]

hullo, yes, I have been summoned

[civic barn]

hm, does your distance from Charon trigger if he summons more clouds?

[raw violet]

Charon is somewhat contextual

[civic barn]

i thought it was a set amount before he moves

[raw violet]

he'll do certain things more often depending on your distance

[mighty ermine]

i wouldn't say the aoe stun is really related to his oar swings directly, though

he can follow it up with pretty much anything

[raw violet]

His biggest tell is anytime he twirls the oar above his head, he's summoning clouds which means you've got a good 5ish seconds to wail on him before you have to move

[civic barn]

might have just been how I've played it, looking at Krashercorr's video nyaa linked

[raw violet]

Yeah, his AoE stun is mostly contextual

the oar is generally the scariest thing for most people but if you take the hits he gives you and back off, he will always dash towards you a brief moment before swinging

and the tracking on the swings are not even that great so dodging behind him will often just make him whiff

[civic barn]

the turn angle on the oar swipe isn't that bad so if anything I get hit by the wave that sometimes feels like it comes out randomly, and missing the dodge on the cloud because I run ruthless, very good reference though, thanks Krashercorr and Nyaa

[raw violet]

if you get greedy, both his wave and his oar attack has almost no startup time

yeah, i found that the waves were more difficult to dodge at times

summons are very valuable for the fight as well

Meg, Thanatos, and Antos can all effectively skip the a phase

my preferred phase to skip is actually phase 1 cause the pillars make the waves very difficult to predict

[civic barn]

do we know how much health he has?

[raw violet]

my guess is around 10k give or take

Thanatos does something like 3.1-3.3k I think in the 3rd phase

and 3rd phase is not a full bar

[mighty ermine]

we'll never be able to truly beat charon 😔

[cunning urchin]

You can watch the video and count the damage.

[raw violet]

lol, true

[civic barn]

:V

it does look about that range going by how much 1k looks like on the bar

[raw violet]

something that is probably less important but a small thing I noticed is that I had a hard time knowing what Charon was about to do when he's located in the upper left corner

i think most, if not all, of his character tells are above the waist

[civic barn]

with or without the pillar?

[raw violet]

it's his arms, really

[civic barn]

oh like it blends into the area above the platform where it's darker?

[raw violet]

i dunno if that helps anyone but it was something that I picked up for myself which is maybe a quirk

no, it's just offscreen

[cunning urchin]

Did you mention that in your feedback on the fight?

[raw violet]

i grouped with how Charon telegraphs

since he makes no sound like other bosses when he does some of his attacks, the loss of visual cues was more impactful that I had thought

i've mentioned all these things

[cunning urchin]

Charon is somewhat contextual. He'll do certain things more often depending on your distance. His biggest tell is anytime he twirls the oar above his head, he's summoning clouds, which means you've got a good five-ish seconds to wail on him before you have to move.

His AoE stun is mostly contextual. The oar is generally the scariest thing for most people, but if you take the hits he gives you and back off, he will always dash towards you a brief moment before swinging. And the tracking on the swings is not even that great, so dodging behind him will often just make him whiff. If you get greedy, both his wave and his oar attack has almost no startup time. I found that the waves were more difficult to dodge at times.

Summons are very valuable for the fight as well: Meg, Thanatos, and Antos can all effectively skip a phase. My preferred phase to skip is actually phase 1 'cause the pillars make the waves very difficult to predict.

My guess is [he has] around 10k give or take.

Something that is probably less important but a small thing I noticed is that I had a hard time knowing what Charon was about to do when he's located in the upper left corner. I think most if not all of his character tells are above the waist. It's his arms, really. Since he makes no sound like other bosses when he does some of his attacks, the loss of visual cues was more impactful than I had thought.
—@raw violet

That's gonna be very useful for reference. Thanks!

[raw violet]

I'm always happy to help.

[nocturne mortar]

Question. What is the requirement to unlock a legendary aspect? I have the most recent for the rail and shield respectively but not the bow.

[unkempt pagoda]

there's a pinned message in #h1-story-discussion

[nocturne mortar]

ty

[unkempt pagoda]

👍

[livid comet]

OOH New channel

or is this an old channel disguised as a new channel?

[unkempt pagoda]

i think this was the old gameplay channel

now split up after the update

[livid comet]

I don't know where to go anymore...

where do I ask

[unkempt pagoda]

regular gameplay discussion should be fine here

[livid comet]

How's the new update treating everyone?

[unkempt pagoda]

unless it's high heat stuff, then #h1-high-heat-strategies is your friend

[livid comet]

I see

Oh noo my GY special

😢

[unkempt pagoda]

sgg keeps bullying guan yu 😔

[livid comet]

I will mourn you forever and always

[dry ember]

GY keeps bullying everyone in the game 😩

[livid comet]

sssh

[unkempt pagoda]

he didn't become a legendary commander for this 😔

[livid comet]

sad lyfe

well, I'll try to enjoy the new update with my favourite weapon getting nerfed I guess

😛

[hushed ledge]

yeah GY nerf made me 😦

[hybrid galleon]

Im just mega sad rn

[hushed ledge]

I haven't got to play the update yet

it's updating rn

[hybrid galleon]

@unkempt pagoda it will be trash tier one day just like its commander in smite

why out of all ppl they buffed greatshield

they are probably the most annoying thing and the second is only flamewheels

and im even not having trouble with flamewheels when speedrunnin

[hushed ledge]

yeah greatshield buff is a huge ????????

[unkempt pagoda]

ok but now all the olympians have a shiny light now

[hybrid galleon]

they always have

arent they

[unkempt pagoda]

in the portrait

[hybrid galleon]

yeah

[unkempt pagoda]

the colored one from the top

[dry ember]

Fishing has a new banner

[hybrid galleon]

unless they have lens flare or some shizz

Aphrodite has lens flare eyes and then laser everyone to death

im waiting rail weapon to be a laser

[unkempt pagoda]

[hybrid galleon]

haha microwave gun goes brrr

[livid comet]

first thing I'm gonna do is a GY run to check how much damage has been done

[hybrid galleon]

still, why buff greatshields

[unkempt pagoda]

i mean, it's weaker

[livid comet]

why buff exalted in general

😦

[unkempt pagoda]

the damage was already done, this was just another kick in the knee

[hybrid galleon]

@unkempt pagoda kitchen gun the guan yus legs

[unkempt pagoda]

but now there's a gy specific hammer so not all is lost

[livid comet]

is it good tho

[unkempt pagoda]

haven't gotten it yet

• Winged Serpent (Spear - Guan Yu Aspect): new! Your Serpent Slash ability travels longer

[hushed ledge]

so no

[unkempt pagoda]

petition to bring back the piercing spin

[hybrid galleon]

@unkempt pagoda your abusive spin

wait, piercing spin is GONE?!

[livid comet]

piercing spin??

[hybrid galleon]

what the FU

[unkempt pagoda]

wdym

piercing guan yu spin

[livid comet]

what's that?

[hybrid galleon]

yknow the spin can cross ppl

[livid comet]

you mean when the spin went through stuff instead of bouncing off like it does now?

[hybrid galleon]

dont tell me it doesnt anymore

[unkempt pagoda]

yes

[hybrid galleon]

YES

OH MYGOD WHY

[unkempt pagoda]

no i want the piercing spin back

[livid comet]

Oh yeah, I miss that

[hybrid galleon]

I want that back

[livid comet]

It made Styx pretty trivial

[hybrid galleon]

god guan yu is so trash now

ANY WEAPON is trivial in styx

[livid comet]

hide behind rock
Spin attack
Win

not really

fists are rough in styx

[hybrid galleon]

then you underestimate my ability to spam dash

[unkempt pagoda]

it's not awful but i do think some of the nerfs were a tad unnecessary

[tranquil sky]

I was already struggling to get that health regen with it, damn

[hybrid galleon]

I could clear those rooms in seconds

with any weapons

[hushed ledge]

the piercing spin loss isn't a new change

[livid comet]

I mean, GY special was really the best thing it had

sed

[hybrid galleon]

no more killer queen special

the yeeteroo

[unkempt pagoda]

the guan yu's spin being bouncy instead of piercing has been a thing for a while now

[hushed ledge]

yeah

[livid comet]

now spear is back to C tier weapon over all

[hybrid galleon]

@hushed ledge i stopped playign around april

[hushed ledge]

there were no updates from april to now before this one

[unkempt pagoda]

but i just want piercing back :V

[hushed ledge]

it'd been a thing since before nighty night as well i think?

[hybrid galleon]

yeah i remember it was still a thing

unless i missed a hotfix update

[unkempt pagoda]

gy released in long winter

[livid comet]

Yeah

I remember OG GY

[tranquil sky]

I remember from my yesterday games that it went through pp am i dumb

[livid comet]

brings a tear to me eye

[unkempt pagoda]

nighty night was the major update after i believe

[tranquil sky]

ppl**

[hybrid galleon]

yes

[hushed ledge]

it goes through enemies

just not walls

[livid comet]

^

it used to go through WALLS

WAAAAAAALLLLS

[hybrid galleon]

oh

[livid comet]

made elysium and styx a joke

[tranquil sky]

oooh

[livid comet]

😄

[unkempt pagoda]

ye

it was really safe

[hushed ledge]

but like yeah GY nerf but not a nerf to shield stuff is 🤔

[hybrid galleon]

@unkempt pagoda lol at one point i thought you guys are talking it no longer pierce enemies im like oh fu

[livid comet]

esp. with quick spin + massive spin

and DEFLECT ON ATTACK

[unkempt pagoda]

but with bouncy spin you can hit an enemy multiple times with a spin, if you're next to a wall

[livid comet]

eh

I never spin attack with GY anymore

[hybrid galleon]

or make protective circle wiht athena attack

[livid comet]

and now I won't really be specialling with it either it seems

[hybrid galleon]

just deflect everybody with muh tasty donut

[tranquil sky]

damn man, I'm playing since around the middle of june and i've dreamed of it going through walls so much, ahahah

[unkempt pagoda]

i prefer charged skewer with gy

[livid comet]

^

[unkempt pagoda]

but circles are fun

[hybrid galleon]

Ok but

[livid comet]

far prefer the spec build for GY

[hybrid galleon]

I still awnt triple scatter bomb

[livid comet]

the way to heal is to not get hit

[hybrid galleon]

15 BOMBS AT ONCE WHEN SGG

[unkempt pagoda]

i've thinking about what build + situation would be the most circles on screen

[livid comet]

Chaos Shield?

[unkempt pagoda]

cluster bomb + dio cast + theseus artemis summon

[livid comet]

oooh

[hybrid galleon]

Triple Cluster sorry

its raining men

[unkempt pagoda]

but there might be a god trial that might have more circles

[hybrid galleon]

Artemis new trial

she comes down there and shoots you with m60

[hushed ledge]

it'd be arty call from theseus

no?

[hybrid galleon]

nah thats too garbage

arty theseus call is so garbage

it almost like a free game

or arty just hates theseus and rather let you win

[unkempt pagoda]

arty's call in theseus has that giant square of circles in the center of the arena

[hybrid galleon]

yeah just

... avoid it

fight at the edge

[livid comet]

Oh

[hybrid galleon]

not a problem

[livid comet]

hmmm

so iirc

GY base special damage used to be 50

now it's 45

[hybrid galleon]

ono

[livid comet]

I think?

[hybrid galleon]

idk, i gotta check it myself

im still workin

brain not function

[livid comet]

I can't remember what the base damage on the special was pre-patch

[hybrid galleon]

i remembered its more than the normal spear

which was 30

was it 60

or somethin

[livid comet]

no way it was 60

[hushed ledge]

50

[hybrid galleon]

because i remembered it was double damage than normal spear

then the normal spear special was 25

[unkempt pagoda]

didn't it used to be 75 at one point or am i tripping

back when it was mega stronk

[hybrid galleon]

gy: stonks

[livid comet]

yeah it was 50

now it's 45

stonks

GY still lives

[unkempt pagoda]

"lives"

[hybrid galleon]

No more 200 damage aphro snipe

[livid comet]

although now our chances of getting charged skewer are lower as well

[hybrid galleon]

I use zag spear so im fine

i only meme around with gy

[unkempt pagoda]

at least it's not achilles spear 😎

[livid comet]

there are other spears?

[keen ocean]

Zagreus spear + ricochet mod is my favorite.

[hybrid galleon]

@unkempt pagoda haha achilles goes golf

wait i just noticed

are all aspects finished?

except fist

all of them except fists have 4 now?

[unkempt pagoda]

noooo you have to have high skill to beat hades!!! you can't just cast and beat the game
haha hunting blades go brrr

[hybrid galleon]

man i am missing out so much

@unkempt pagoda haha ocean man go brr

pure poseidon is mega stupid

[unkempt pagoda]

fists are the only weapon without a 4th rn

[inner patrol]

Which will probably come with 1.0

[hybrid galleon]

then we have no laser rail?

[unkempt pagoda]

keep playing

[hybrid galleon]

i want my laser rail man

ok but if it will be upgrade please replace concentrated fire

Concentrated Beam: increase your ammo to 100, damage reduced to 20%, fire rate increased by 1000%

[inner patrol]

||Might want to go for some Zeus runs||

[hybrid galleon]

i despise zeus

[unkempt pagoda]

trust us

[hybrid galleon]

Ok just tell me

im not people who gets angry for getting spoiled

[inner patrol]

||You'll also wanna talk to Artemis & Chaos||

[hybrid galleon]

tell me what happened to zeus this patch

[unkempt pagoda]

||4th rail aspect is laser gun, zeus gives you the waking phrase||

[hybrid galleon]

i thought artemis got nerfed hardcore in this patch

[livid comet]

I can't figure out what sturdy is supposed to be

[hybrid galleon]

[inner patrol]

They're the ones you have to talk to in order to get the new aspects

[hybrid galleon]

@unkempt pagoda ily

[unkempt pagoda]

sturdy?

[livid comet]

yea

it's a new spear hammer

[hybrid galleon]

Im gonna go play the game later

STILL WORKING

[inner patrol]

Sturdy reduces the damage you take by 30% & keeps your attacks from being interrupted

[livid comet]

ok but I'm not

[hybrid galleon]

im so excited rn that i will get a microwave gun

Aspect of Jesus LETS GO

[livid comet]

I think it's just once tho

because I lost a death defiance trying to use it in combat

[hybrid galleon]

now that i think of it they might not put aspect of jesus but aspect of lucifer is p close to that original idea

biblical reference lul

[inner patrol]

Depends on which weapon you get it on. There's a new one for Varatha that gives you sturdy while you charge the spin

[livid comet]

well people are much more likely to get offended if you put jesus in directly like that compared to lucifer

[inner patrol]

It actually helps balance out GY's aspect

[livid comet]

yeah same for GY @inner patrol

[hybrid galleon]

@livid comet he fires roman's salty tears

whoever is salty the fact that he literally respawn 3 days later

[untold vortex]

Tbf 3 days is a pretty long respawn time

[hybrid galleon]

Well more than the rest of the humanity which takes indefinite

but its def more than zag

because zag took around 10 seconds

[livid comet]

everything feels snappier too

in general I mean

[heady zephyr]

I doubt they'll add two things from the same set of non Greek myths

[hybrid galleon]

well

beowulf and arthur

is beowulf arthurian? idk

[unkempt pagoda]

i don't think so lol

[hybrid galleon]

because when i read them they felt like the same to me just some hairy dudes kickin ass

[heady zephyr]

Beowulf is old English, but it's about a Dane

Arthur is a few centuries later. So my bet is that the final fists are gonna be Egyptian or maybe sumerian or something

[hybrid galleon]

yeah and they drink

everyday

[heady zephyr]

Lol

[hybrid galleon]

Fists of Cleopatra

special just rolls you into carpet and then yeets you across the map

[stuck elbow]

Beowulf wasn't Danish though, he was a Geat who came to help Hrothgar and the Danes

[hybrid galleon]

the best part is that beowulf is a short epic

like, short short

its just about a dude who fights 3 kaiju

[stuck elbow]

its pretty concise tbh

"this dude from Scandinavia was dope"

"look at him go"

[hybrid galleon]

Concise is the opposite of what it should be

because the reason why this short story turned long is because when you stumble something

the book immediately explains literally everything

basically imagine everytime you see something new in pokemon a 70 paragraph wikipedia just pulls out on ya

from lineage of kings, to a pile of gold

[stuck elbow]

you say that like its a bad thing tbh

[hybrid galleon]

otherwise, put it in the pot simmer for 10 mins you have a really short story

[stuck elbow]

gimme that overly fleshed out lore

I need to know why this guy's shoes are legendary

or why that one crown is missing three gemstones

that have been replaced by gold

[hybrid galleon]

odyssey is longer than that

and has more stories

yes still have some overexplained lore but not as mouthful as beowulf

its almost like the author of beowulf is trying so hard to make a 1000 word essay to pass up by Monday morning at Sunday midnight

[stuck elbow]

tbh if I wanted something big and greek to chew on I'd just read the Iliad

no time for that

[hybrid galleon]

also if you reaaaally wanna something mega long

[stuck elbow]

I'm not about to read the Mahabharata

if thats what your suggesting

[hybrid galleon]

yes

LOL

that thing is longer than lord of the rings 100 times

have fun chewing that

[stuck elbow]

@whole burrow @neon bramble but yeah, Build Poseidon/Demeter

Best Varatha build

You don’t even need to use the spear

[whole burrow]

Oh

For Q+Q Bonus?

[stuck elbow]

The Duo Boon for flood cast

[whole burrow]

Trying out Rama Aspect for the first time

[neon bramble]

I just tried a blizzard shot run, but Blizzard shot never came.... Which means I ended up with a very low damage build ☹️

[stuck elbow]

Damn

Feels bad

[neon bramble]

Happens

[stuck elbow]

There is always next run and all that good stuff

[neon bramble]

I got unshakable mettle though....

[whole burrow]

I think what I did once with Blizzard Shot

[neon bramble]

Didn't help against Theseus EM3 Though

[whole burrow]

was I sold Flood Shot after getting the Duo

Then replaced it with Artemis Crit

[neon bramble]

LOL

that doesn't work

[whole burrow]

It doesn't specify whether it should be flood shot or not in the tooltip

so I assume that would work. I didn't get a good look at it since I was wiping the map regardless of it

[hybrid galleon]

See more effects than the game itself

Hades broken build mode

just, a lot of death sounds really

tonight we have hunting blade smoothie

taste like watermelon joose

[stuck elbow]

@whole burrow try out sea storm with electric trippy shot if you ever have the chance to draft both

[whole burrow]

I am gonna try to do a run right now

to see if it wouldactually work

[hybrid galleon]

question

did they revert Aphro's shotgun

[stuck elbow]

Basically Poseidon attack with storm + electric trippy shot is cool

But gets cooler with jolted

[neon bramble]

I ran a lightning rod build at heat 30 with double strike, splitting bolt and the AOE increase.... It was actually vicious

Probably the only time I liked lightning rod

[hybrid galleon]

still dont like it

for how niche it is

[stuck elbow]

Yeah, I didn’t really use Zeus much outside theme builds at first but good lord

You get your monies worth

From that one legendary

[hybrid galleon]

I play pure Zeus build and im like bruh

I have a mod that basically makes only one god spawns

[neon bramble]

My favourite builds are evasion builds with second wind + rush delivery or billowing strength

[hybrid galleon]

and have played several gods of them

zeus is just mega weak when it comes to 1 tricking him

[stuck elbow]

Tbh just do vanilla Zag Malphon with the Plume Manthro.

[neon bramble]

He's not, you just have to commit to Zeus for the run

[stuck elbow]

It’s basically flash simulator

[hybrid galleon]

@neon bramble its a modded run

[neon bramble]

I prefer Demeter aspect

[hybrid galleon]

and only zeus appears

[stuck elbow]

Or Muhammad Ali simulator

[hybrid galleon]

however pure Demeter is mega stupid and i lob it

ofc this is before the arctic blast nerf

aka this patch

[neon bramble]

Demeter is excellent for high heat

[hybrid galleon]

hey shes cold enough to endure the heat

😄

I have several footage finally done editing and i think i wanna upload them

Nerf Athena and Nerf Artemis lul

[neon bramble]

Here's another build you can defeat TD2 timeouts on:

Nemesis aspect
Flurry slash
Cursed slash
Stubborn Roots

You won't die even if the clock runs out

[hybrid galleon]

what about the steel thing

posy + athena duo

that decreases damage right

[neon bramble]

5% against bosses

[hybrid galleon]

ok thats weak unfortunate

i thought they are buffing possy what even is this

[neon bramble]

It adds up with other damage reductions

[rare topaz]

Hello

I've still got 4GB or so left to go on the update ;~;

[unkempt pagoda]

not being stunned is cool too

[naive tusk]

Awww TLC is joining the fun

[cunning urchin]

Don't underestimate Unshakable Mettle.

[rare topaz]

@naive tusk Nooot. Not yet ;~;

[naive tusk]

But soon!

[rare topaz]

I can only update from 12-6 AM, because I have limited data throughout the rest of the day and those are the unlimited hours.

So it's just bleh.

I only got 2 GBs done

Yes, soon-ish. Hopefully tomorrow!

[neon bramble]

My game drops to like 10fps against Lernie right now.

I really hope they patch it by tomorrow

[rare topaz]

It looks like a really cool update so.

I just watched the trailer and..

MMMMMMM I WANT IN SO BAD

[neon bramble]

It's a great update for sure

[rare topaz]

Yeah

All I know is that I'm curious about Achilles and Patroclus being on the banner, implying something big is happening between the two

[livid comet]

aspect of Rama

[rare topaz]

I'm just like

[livid comet]

interesting

[rare topaz]

👀

[livid comet]

wassap

[rare topaz]

Suuuh

[livid comet]

GY took a special to the knee

[rare topaz]

How come?

[livid comet]

it's harder to hit things with the special now

[neon bramble]

Because they want to make spears the weakest weapons in the game

[livid comet]

it feels overall slower

[rare topaz]

:/

Spear is already made out to be the weakest.

It's not like the two other aspects are that great.

[neon bramble]

Well, now there's absolutely no contest

[rare topaz]

That's disappointing.

[livid comet]

and I had to dip into +% damage from pools to keep it on the same curve as pre-patch

[rare topaz]

I hope they rectify that tbh

[neon bramble]

In order for spear to be good, it needs to be completely redesigned

[livid comet]

but there's a lot of new content tho

😄

[rare topaz]

[cunning urchin]

Make sure to leave your thoughts on any aspects in #hades-feedback.

[dry ember]

Well I'm not sure about redesign

But maybe a speed buff to spin

Or making special recall automatic

[livid comet]

well, spear is overall probably the least powerful weapon to use

[rare topaz]

Oooh someone should just make a big paragraph detailing why and how spear should and could be buffed.

[livid comet]

no

that's not useful feedback

you want feedback about what feels off about the spear

[neon bramble]

I would personally make spear dash strikes wide sweeping swings so you can apply status effects to everything

It makes the most sense thematically

[livid comet]

instead of trying to give the devs ideas on how to fix things

[rare topaz]

Fair

[dry ember]

Yup. Describe the problem, don't need to pose a solution

[rare topaz]

@neon bramble Excal already does that. And not really, because the spear is more pointy.

[livid comet]

leave the solution part to them, give feedback only on what the issue is

[naive tusk]

Oh my gosh, Dagger being helpful

[dry ember]

Spear weak, please buff, much love.

[neon bramble]

Spears aren't just for poking 😉

[rare topaz]

AAAA

[dry ember]

BBB B

[livid comet]

@naive tusk you wound me

[dry ember]

[livid comet]

Am I not helpful most of the time

[naive tusk]

You sure are!

[rare topaz]

Also guys

[dry ember]

Yes

[rare topaz]

Just a warning

[dry ember]

You dare warn me?

[rare topaz]

I will not talk a word in this server soon, both to avoid spoilers and to.. Avoid spoilers, that's kinda it. Because now the new update has dropped and what is a spoiler isn't anymore you feel me???

So yeah. Won't read patchnotes either.

[livid comet]

wat

[naive tusk]

I totally feel you

[livid comet]

then just frequent #h1-for-new-players

don't go cold turkey

[naive tusk]

But hey, do keep in mind what I told you before, k? @rare topaz

[neon bramble]

There is no escape from spoilers on any channel 🤣

[rare topaz]

@naive tusk Aye aye!

[naive tusk]

I'd avoid that channel for the time being too. People are still adjusting to the new channels 😅

[rare topaz]

And that is true Manthro, because a lot of this content is seemingly accessible early.

[dry ember]

Whoa secrecy

[livid comet]

hm

[rare topaz]

Oh no secrecy, literally just Peach offered to give me help if I've got any questions

[livid comet]

Spear feels slower now 😦

[rare topaz]

That's all

[livid comet]

😄

[dry ember]

Wholesomeness, in my Hades server?

[neon bramble]

I really want to find a way to make an Achilles aspect build useful

[rare topaz]

XD

[livid comet]

TLC's pretty good at this game contrary to the impression they give

[neon bramble]

I don't think it's possible

[rare topaz]

Oh thanks Dagger

[dry ember]

How to use Spear:

Don't use Spear
Make cast build

[rare topaz]

@neon bramble It is. It empowers your next 2 attacks and cast, so..

[neon bramble]

Best advice

[rare topaz]

Play around either.

Empowers them after charge

[neon bramble]

I've tried

Spear has low base damage, so it doesn't really do much

[livid comet]

naw what usually happens is I drop my spear in magma and then rush to it

[rare topaz]

RIP

To both of you

[neon bramble]

Every other weapon has a way to burst for 1k damage except spear, because you have to leave yourself wide open to even have a chance

[rare topaz]

Well I mean, I never determine the merit of a weapon purely by damage.

Spear still has its advantages, such as its innate reach.

[naive tusk]

I had an Aspect of Hades run earlier with Tidal Dash and it was awesome!

[rare topaz]

Oooh, fun

[neon bramble]

Hades is currently my favourite aspect

[rare topaz]

Tidal Dash has to be my favourite dash

[neon bramble]

Was Zag before, but Hades is better

[rare topaz]

Yeet

[raw violet]

if you've never burst 1k damage, then i'm not sure what you're doing with GY

[rare topaz]

GY got nerfed.

[livid comet]

^

[neon bramble]

Exploding launcher is more powerful than GY

[rare topaz]

Might be that.

[neon bramble]

And I've topped out at 700

[raw violet]

I just did a run and crit for 1.5k no problem

[livid comet]

Naw, base damage on special reduced by 5, plus hitbox got tightened on it so it's not as easy to hit a bunch of enemies

so it's a nerf but as far as nerfs go it wasn't so bad

[raw violet]

The new hitbox is definitely an issue

[livid comet]

I don't think the damage reduction was needed

well the hitbox used to be busted

[hybrid galleon]

i havent start his update yet

[raw violet]

I think GY overall needed the special nerf

[hybrid galleon]

boi cant wait to get the new bow

and then play like chiron 2

[raw violet]

It was too strong

[livid comet]

so tightening it was fine, but maybe it got tightened too much?

[rare topaz]

Right, I'm retreating now y'all. See ya' in a few days, maybe a week or two, but I'm certainly not gone.

[livid comet]

cya TLC!

[hybrid galleon]

i think spear needs buff in something

but idk

[rare topaz]

❤️ Bye bye babes

[hybrid galleon]

im fine with using spears still

mainly because the best part of spear is that your dash attack and combo is better than sword imo

[naive tusk]

@rare topaz I will be here or in DMs for you! ❤️

[livid comet]

Ok, I think what's accurate for me is that GY is the only fun spear to play.

[raw violet]

Specifically, I think tightening it is fine, its just wonky at close range. Misses a lot of enemies up close

[rare topaz]

@naive tusk Cheers!

[hybrid galleon]

did spears get any new hammer?

[rare topaz]

o/

[neon bramble]

Yes

[livid comet]

yup

[hybrid galleon]

what are

[neon bramble]

|| triple jab ||

[hybrid galleon]

not include that gy

[livid comet]

GY got a hammer that makes the spin travel 80% further, yay so pretty much a non-hammer

[neon bramble]

Turns your attack into a spork

[hybrid galleon]

difference between the sacrifice the big hit and rapid jab?

or did rapid jab got replaced into that

[livid comet]

lmao that reaction

[neon bramble]

Triple jab is like triple beam

But for spear

[hybrid galleon]

oh

so basically your meleee just got mega wide?

[livid comet]

hmmm

[neon bramble]

It's not as good as it sounds

[hybrid galleon]

expected

triple shot is also garbage

[neon bramble]

It's gets wider with each strike

So it's janky

[hybrid galleon]

spanking people with rake

[livid comet]

do you guys mostly use attack with non-GY spears?

[neon bramble]

No

[hybrid galleon]

yes

i dash strike zag spear

[livid comet]

🤔

[neon bramble]

I get exploding launcher and spam

[hybrid galleon]

i fly through entire battlefield with it

[livid comet]

yeah spear has the fastest dash-strike in the game

[neon bramble]

Basically

[hybrid galleon]

you mean

killer queen special

killer queen has touched that spear

[livid comet]

a jojo reference? in MY Hades server?

I think not

[hybrid galleon]

Hey demeter is my stand

Fight me

[livid comet]

naw I'll support you instead

[hybrid galleon]

Demeter as jojo protag

and with her sisters they became the pillar women

[civic barn]

if there was an explosive hammer on spear i can see triple jab being pretty good

[hybrid galleon]

Demeter Hera and Hestia pillar women

[livid comet]

explosive blade

[civic barn]

yes

[neon bramble]

You can kinda do that with fish attack @civic barn

[civic barn]

everything should explode

[livid comet]

makes your special an an explosion- wait

[hybrid galleon]

Makes you Explo- wait

[neon bramble]

And seastorm

[civic barn]

fish attack? oh pose

[hybrid galleon]

Slap everybody with feesh

[livid comet]

every spear just needs a "Make this into GY" hammer

[hybrid galleon]

Holy Mackarel tf2 meme

[livid comet]

and problem solved 😛

[civic barn]

i would but the knockback is actually detrimental for spear right

not so much for sword i feel

[hybrid galleon]

so spear is now f tier

[neon bramble]

The reach on triple jab is huge

[hybrid galleon]

but the accuracy not so much

[neon bramble]

So not too detrimental

It's just weird to use

[hybrid galleon]

i want accuracy to be fair

[civic barn]

yeah but if it moves you start doing dash-strike which doesn't perform the triple jab right

though i guess it wouldn't not work

[livid comet]

yep

[neon bramble]

Correct

[hybrid galleon]

fix that