Criticals are so whimsical, you know?
#h1-builds-and-combat
naive tusk
rare topaz
^
Literally.
Artemis aid, even without ANY complimentary boons, has skipped phases of bosses if not whole bosses for me. It's genuinely mad.
I will never, EVER take Artemis slander.
(Though ofc you're entitled to your own opinion.)
dry ember
I think that's Nyaa point though
Artemis' kits are so good that it makes her Call a joke.
And Arte's call is indeed a bit underwhelming compared to other Gods'
naive tusk
Artemis Aid is also the best to trigger Billowing Strength and Second Wind.
dry ember
hmm true, didn't consider that
naive tusk
It has 5 charges instead of 4 and they charge quicker.
rare topaz
It also kinda fits the char. It's seemingly subtle in a way, and it gets the job done; very fitting for Artemis!
Though that's kinda a moot point xD
I probably know what Billowing Strength and Second Wind are, I just never pay attention to technical names.
naive tusk
Yes, everyone has their own preferences which is why it's good to be respectful 
rare topaz
Like, what's a Death Defiance? (my recollection of technical names is not that bad, but yeah XD)
naive tusk
It's that icon above your life bar. 1 gets consumed so you can revive.
livid comet
^
dry ember
now do you know what Stubborn Defiance is
rare topaz
Something you never invest in.
rare topaz
What's that
rare topaz
AH
cunning urchin
Just think about it: Epic Dionysus' Aid can apply up to 720 damage of DOT per enemy to multiple targets with every single Call. Meanwhile Epic Artemis' Aid with Heart Rend does 420 damage on one target if it happens to crit.
carmine rivet
breaching cross is so god-tier
cunning urchin
@dry ember actually Draining Cutter is really really good on high heat.
rare topaz
That implies you're actually guaranteed an Epic Dio Aid. Comparisons are never healthy. They work wildly differently for a reason; each suits their respective god, and that's okay.
cunning urchin
But yes, Breaching Cross.
Common Dionysus' Aid is always way stronger than Common Artemis' Aid.
Woops.
also* not always
But yeah honestly always, too.
rare topaz
No? Not really?
dry ember
But between Breaching Cross and Draining Cutter, I can't in good conscience say I would ever pick Draining cutter.
dry ember
Sure the healing is nice if you are LC locked, but armored enemies are such a big obstacle, high heat more than ever.
carmine rivet
i like draining cutter when i'm building on special as a finisher anyway. i.e. Demeter aspect
a fun run i managed was Dem Attack and Special on Dem Aspect Malphon, paired with Breaching Cross and Draining Cutter. Greatest Reflex was even more insanity.
cunning urchin
I've learned to value Draining Cutter way higher after doing some RI4 runs.
naive tusk
@cunning urchin Her Epic Call with Heart Rend actually deals 540 damage, and her charges can be used quicker. Just a heads up.
cunning urchin
No? 120 * 3.5 = 420.
cunning urchin
Ah. That's a really misleading description then.
naive tusk
It is. @mild crag posted in feedback that its description should be clearer.
cunning urchin
That's still low, though. And quicker charges don't mean much in encounters because you only get to use 1-2 charges really anyway.
naive tusk
Yes, I'm pinging you, anime lover.
cunning urchin
I'd upvote that feedback if I knew where to find it. 
rare topaz
RIP.
naive tusk
It was way before you got here, I think.
Pretty sure the devs have taken it into account.
cunning urchin
I got here in 2018.
naive tusk
Then before you became active again.
cunning urchin
rare topaz
dry ember
I can't believe Peach hung out in this server so long and never let me know 
naive tusk
Feedback that gets +40 votes is hard to miss 👀
cunning urchin
More like active in the first place lol.
naive tusk
I haven't been here too long. I joined around 4 months ago.
cunning urchin
My first comment that wasn't bot commands lol: https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/520688402958516254/696961438224220170
naive tusk
Sure, 4 months is a long time but this server was established years ago lol
dry ember
main osprey
Hey, that was on my birthday Nyaa!
dry ember
wow I'm young
rare topaz
I'm REALLY young
mild crag
rare topaz
Who did?!
dry ember
Funnily enough I'm pretty sure my first interaction was with Nyaa of all people.
naive tusk
Hey Kossy 
rare topaz
Hello
mild crag
Haio
naive tusk
Where have you been hiding, dearie?
main osprey
Lol
cunning urchin
@main osprey my first comment or when I joined?
dry ember
When I asked about Twinshot Deadly Strike
main osprey
Comment
naive tusk
We've missed your rail teachings 📖
cunning urchin
@main osprey yeah, I knew that. Please check my message again.
main osprey
I also can't search by oldest on my phone, so I don't know when my first post was
rare topaz
RAIL GUN SUCK, IT NO FUN. BYE.
main osprey
Gasp
main osprey
How did you know @cunning urchin
naive tusk
Well, I sure hope you will get ready for when next update hits. You are in for a fancy surprise, that's all I'm saying ~
cunning urchin
I'm psychic.
main osprey
Dang, nice
cunning urchin
This was your first post: https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/520429929721233464/712460937164095520
main osprey
I'm pretty sure that was even before I joined
naive tusk
Also, GASP!
main osprey
Yes, Peach?
rare topaz
My first comment was in offtopic lmfao
naive tusk
I meant GASP! at TLC saying that in front of Kossy.
main osprey
Ah
rare topaz
Especially not a railgun lover.
naive tusk
Kossy might give you some pointers or how to love the railgun more, maybe!
mild crag
I bet you like swords or something
dry ember
Oh God the innocent days https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/520429929721233464/708874200063934474
naive tusk
"How to love your Exagryph" by Kossy.
main osprey
Lol yeah
cunning urchin
@dry ember you still haven't figured it out, last I checked.
naive tusk
"What is heat?" that has to be the most adorable thing Foxy has said LOL
rare topaz
@mild crag I have found a reason to love all the weapons, except for Railgun.
:)
Railgun is only valid with Zeus attack for me.
mild crag
dry ember
Excuse me, I completed 6x32, get on my level. Smh
mild crag
Have you tried Hestia with Artemis attac tho
livid comet
GUYS
dry ember
GIRLS
rare topaz
I haf not
cunning urchin
@naive tusk help, @dry ember is being elitist to me. 
mild crag
ROMANS
livid comet
merciful end, deadly reversal or blinding flash?
rare topaz
ROMAN'S?!
livid comet
🤔
naive tusk
He only said he completed his runs 😂
dry ember
MERCIFUL END
cunning urchin
get on my level. Smh
naive tusk
Foxy got a golden name now ✨
livid comet
(I've got zag punchies, divine strike, hunter dash, ares special)
cunning urchin
See?
rare topaz
ISN'T DEADLY REVERSAL THE ARTEMIS AND ATHENA DUO
livid comet
yep
dry ember
EITHER ONE IS FINE
livid comet
🤔
dry ember
ok i'll stop screaming
cunning urchin
Definitely Deadly Reversal.
rare topaz
DEADLY REVERSAL AND GET ATHENA DASH 
main osprey
I dunno what the big deal about 192 is, @dry ember
livid comet
okie
raw violet
did someone say merciful end?
rare topaz
I'll stop screaming also
cunning urchin
Pick up Support Fire from Lady Artemis when she offers it.
dry ember
It's a power level Nyaa has never seen
livid comet
yeah I'm picking b/w merciful end and deadly reversal
carmine rivet
oh dear things escalated while i was in styx
rare topaz
Hello Yuki
livid comet
kay
naive tusk
Funny how the dynamics change from beta channel to here tonight lol
main osprey
:3
naive tusk
I will leave you guys with your discussion.
dry ember
Bye
rare topaz
naive tusk
I will be in other channels if you'd like to chat though lol
carmine rivet
aw byee
naive tusk
I like chilling in #off-topic-discussion
dry ember
I thought you were going to bed xD
rare topaz
XD
dry ember
XXDD
naive tusk
Oh, not yet.
rare topaz
Beds? Who needs them?
naive tusk
I just dislike active discussions, that's all.
main osprey
Not Zag
rare topaz
Fair nuff!
cunning urchin
@livid comet Divine Strike + Hunter Dash + Deadly Reversal + Support Fire is basically the ideal version of that build.
cunning urchin
Special doesn't matter.
carmine rivet
final boss is such a tease, i tried to quickdraw them with full 4 lvl 4 epic dio cast but they went poof and i wasted it!!
main osprey
Oof
cunning urchin
Cast doesn't really matter either.
livid comet
I have poseidon cast with the knockback boon as well
cunning urchin
Call either Dionysus' Aid for DPS or Athena's Aid to evade damage from AOE attacks on reaction—primarily for bosses.
carmine rivet
ah well it's working well anyhow
cunning urchin
Ares' Aid can do the same as Athena's Aid at the cost of a DPS drop.
livid comet
got an epic support fire
cunning urchin
Very nice!
dry ember
take it :3
livid comet
everything else on artemis is normal tho
cunning urchin
Poseidon's Aid could do the same, but it's bugged unfortunately, so I'd just avoid it.
carmine rivet
support fire is such a god-tier boon on fast attacking builds
weird to call olympian boons god-tier but it gets the point across
livid comet
greater evasion, swift strike or drift dash?
dry ember
How is Pos Call bugged?
main osprey
You can lose control
cunning urchin
When you dash and use the Call, it bugs out, and you can't change directions.
rare topaz
Oh yeah Support Fire is amazing.
carmine rivet
i like evasion but if you've got support fire and high attack speed swift strike only furthers that dps
dry ember
You can lose control
That's me every living moment though
livid comet
I think swift strike is the way to go for maximum 
cunning urchin
What rarity are they?
dry ember
When you dash and use the Call, it bugs out, and you can't change directions.
Oh I thought that was a feature and not a bug lol
cunning urchin
Yeah, Swift Strike.
main osprey
Lmao Fox
cunning urchin
Not even a question then lol.
dry ember
ORA
rare topaz
ORAORAORAORAORAORA
I have never watched or read Jojo and vowed never to do so. It is accursed content.
But yes, very off topic
livid comet
30% boost to attack speed on fists with support fire
cunning urchin
Congrats!
carmine rivet
man like 20+ of those clears are from pre High Speed update though
livid comet
oof
concentrated knuckles?
I'm not really using specials for explosive upper or draining cutter
carmine rivet
it's solid dps for bosses and dire enemies
cunning urchin
Concentrated, yeah.
cunning urchin
Pressure Points, yeah.
carmine rivet
if you don't have a stellar cast then pp yeah
i'm not great but personally i only think dual shot is worth with a poseidon cast for that double knockback
livid comet
@carmine rivet that's... exactly what I had yeah...
carmine rivet
o-oh
carmine rivet
but honestly when your main damage is malphon's fists you don't need to be thinking about cast anyway
carmine rivet
'tis very good
cunning urchin
Pressure Points either way. If you don't have a focused cast build, Pressure Points will do a lot more for you.
livid comet
yar
I've now got to choose between ares call, dire misfortune and merciful end
I'm leaning towards end
*call
for the invincibility
cunning urchin
Yeah, the others don't do anything for you.
Keep the call ready for when Finalus Bossus does their spin attack.
Or any other attacks like that from other enemies.
I have a video of my 41-heat clear with that build if you want to watch it sometime.
dry ember
It's p good.
carmine rivet
congratzulation!
carmine rivet
Nyaan is the Malphon master, glad i could be there too. also rip that ariadne yarn
cunning urchin
Congrats!
Brilliant Riposte, by the way, is always a great pick when you see it because it opens up the chance to get her Legendary.
livid comet
Right but the divine strike was key so I didn't take it lol
wait whaaaa
aspect of arthur!?
any good
carmine rivet
arthur is so op to my mind. the damage per swing is extraordinary to me, plus the max hp buff and that special
idk how it does in higher-tier play but to me it's like an easy win button, at least the first two areas
carmine rivet
chonky attack radius tho
carmine rivet
when you get sweet nectar in styx and there's 3 boosted poms just waiting for you
+3 lvl so good
light crescent
-
Is not better to choose in ||Demetra|| Favors the ones that are chosen to be made common and after be rare and Epic? The RANDOM word sux a bit...it seems a very bad choice.
-
It seems that ranged weapons are way better that the other ones like sword...Is it my impression?
lament coral
it's mostly just sword
carmine rivet
@light crescent
- The Cultivation boon can be good early on, but if you have a bunch of epic boons already or it’s being offered in biome 4, it’s not a great choice. (read: it’s a gamble)
- it depends on playstyle. I prefer the melee weapons over the bow / rail, myself.
light crescent
@carmine rivet
2) I prefere them too but it seems safer to stay distant and kill all 😛 i just got way better performances
carmine rivet
hey, if it works it works
small stirrup
The maximum hermes boons are 3 each run right?
2 from the areas and 1 from Charron at Styx
untold vortex
on current patch?, yes
carmine rivet
I think i’ve managed to grab more than 2 pre-Styx?
small stirrup
What is the probablity of hermes' boon in the previous areas?
untold vortex
you might have gotten one from the shop
carmine rivet
Sometimes it’s luck to grab one from the shop pre-Furies yeah. Then a boon or two along the way through asphodel and elysium
small stirrup
Cause I recall getting a chamber progression of Hermes -> Coins -> Hermes
carmine rivet
Like room 14 Charon shop
small stirrup
In asphodel
untold vortex
that's the only way I can think of getting more than 2 pre-styx
small stirrup
What was the formula for gold to blue laurels in the game?
floral timber
is it me or is very hard to do the dash attack with tthe bow?
without the character going imediatelly on the aim mode
turbid needle
its supposed to be aim mode
floral timber
because i can do it without aim mode
turbid needle
dash attack charges faster
floral timber
but its very hard to pull off
turbid needle
and has different dmg values on it I think
small stirrup
Its got a 1 second frame to do it
turbid needle
but it works the same as normal attack
floral timber
from what i see every dash attack always does more dmg
but im still very new at the game
turbid needle
yeah I was mega confused abt it too for a while
because it feels like dash attack is supposed to be a different thing but it isnt
floral timber
well thats settled then 😄
cunning urchin
The normal Attack with the bow does more damage than a Dash-Strike, but the Dash-Strike charges faster.
carmine rivet
i think nyaan just knows with her boundless experience
buoyant junco
If I swap something like the Lambent Plume for a different trinket I will lose all the bonus doge and speed I earned, right?
i.e. I can't earn that and switch to acorn and keep the dodge bonuses
cunning urchin
You'll lose it, yes.
buoyant junco
Alright, thanks
cunning urchin
No problem.
sudden dagger
I finally earned enough darkness to buy the FP tick at 10 000...
Thinking I wouldn't have to choose the darkness spinning weapons any more
And now I see that I still have to :(
sand cape
darkness spinning? as in dark thirsts?
i always choose the dark thrist weapon, im a slave to the fates, but thats how i got 10 consecutive wins in low heat
not one of those wins was with the rail...
void rampart
I'm just starting to use the Adamant Rail (new player), is there a fairly consistent build for it?
I seem to struggle with damage more than any other weapon to finish runs
void rampart
Zagreus and I've unlocked 2 levels of the Special bonus damage one
naive tusk
For Zagreus Aspect, Lightning Strike + Support Fire is good. Getting Splitting Bolt + Static Discharge + Pressure Points makes it even better.
Flurry Fire is a good hammer upgrade for it too.
There's also the Spread Fire + Deadly Strike combo.
naive tusk
For Eris, getting Rocket Bomb + either Cluster Bomb or Triple Bomb makes the Aspect much fun and effective.
Heartbreak Flourish or Deadly Flourish will work good on it.
cunning urchin
Spread Fire + Deadly Strike + either Hunter Dash or Chaos boons for Attack/Dash-Strike.
naive tusk
All in all, the way I see it, Artemis is a good Olympian for Exagryph.
dry ember
If you use Spreadfire, use Dash Strike a lot. Otherwise your fire rate can suffer a bit.
naive tusk
Greatest Reflex is great for that.
naive tusk
I just realized. I'm so dumb lol
dry ember
Now your comment made me realize too lol.
naive tusk
We both get bonks.
main osprey
:3
naive tusk
Thank you
naive tusk
It's the face of "tranquility".
dry ember
That's my face when AP crosses out the boon I want. Pure "tranquility."
tepid trail
guys im feeling sick, what builds can i try without trying too hard that are actually pretty good?
cunning urchin
Divine Strike + Hunter Dash on the Twin Fists (Zagreus Aspect).
After you have those two, get Deadly Reversal from either Lady Athena or Lady Artemis and Support Fire from Lady Artemis.
What else hmmm. Blade 4 + Heartbreak Flourish + Deadly Strike + Divine Dash and get all their Duo Boons (i.e., Heart Rend + Spent Spirit + Deadly Reversal).
main osprey
Chaos Shield, go for charge shot and power rush (or power something), plus Artemis attack. Athena special
Just sit in place and spam power shots with the shield
cunning urchin
Divine Flourish on Chaos Aspect sounds silly in a good way lol.
dry ember
I have never tried that. Chaos sounds like it would be better with somekind of status effect spread.
main osprey
The idea for the build is keeping you as safe as possible, while dealing a lot of damage
Power shot plus Artemis could bring a crit up to +600% damage (on a base 80 + strike% bonus), and Divine flourish lets you stop most projectiles
leaden hare
Finally defeated the final boss w/ guan yu, but then I narrowly failed w/ Chiron bow
And here I thought I was a bow major
naive tusk
Or level Chiron to max 
tawdry vine
Even though I have defeated asterius and theseus several times now, I yet find myself struggle to defeat them without getting harmed severely. Can you guys share some tips as to who to focus first or what your approach is? I tend to focus asterius because he engages into close combat more often and generally is bulkier in size;
random hull
I prefer to go after Asterius first. If you get Theseus to half health and he starts getting a god's aid, but Asterius is still around, the fight will get really messy. As long as Theseus is at high health, he is quite harmless. Also, taking out the bull first will stop their tag team attack. Do note that this approach is for the non-Extreme Measures encounter.
stoic thicket
For EM it's kinda the same, Theseus is way more predictable than on non-EM and is mostly a non-factor, even though Asterius gets much more dangerous.
Also seconded, the bull dies first. It can be quite dangerous having to dodge Theseus spear throws, a deranged cow on a murder spree AND the various god effects.
livid comet
weird
I unlocked aspect of Arthur and decided to try it out with no particular build in mind
on zero heat mind you
and somehow cleared the run
stoic thicket
Arthurs further unlocks don't change too much about it, it just increases the damage reduction of the aura. But the thing still smorcs big time even without any blood invested.
livid comet
looks like it
stoic thicket
As long as you can get like some sort of %-damage attack boon on it and a half decent dash you should be good for the most part.
livid comet
and I didn't even have an optimised build or anything, Demeter attack and cast with Dio dash and greatest reflex
stoic thicket
Demeter Attack is plenty fine.
livid comet
oh and ath special
stoic thicket
Try Aphro attack with Artemis dash and any special or cast that gives a status effect.
livid comet
what does weak do again?
stoic thicket
-30% damage from attacks.
livid comet
ooh noice
stoic thicket
The weak isn't the point, the point is more that Aphro has the biggest +% damage increases of any god.
Even though with the weak and the Aura you can facetank a lot of stuffs.
livid comet
Aph cast is pretty nice too
But I think Poseidon cast is my favourite in the game
Along with the Knockback boon it's great
stoic thicket
Posi's cast is probably the best all-purpose cast.
Does a ton of damage, deals area damage, can clear stuff. If you aren't sure which cast to take, Poseidon's usually isn't a bad idea. Plus you can then get Razor Shoals, which kinda rocks.
livid comet
I managed to get extra cast from Chaos in a previous run, so I just used it to clean house lmao
Razor Shoals is the... rupture damage in Knockback?
stoic thicket
Yup.
Status curses are nice for Privileged Status and the Rupture can deal a lot of damage.
livid comet
yeah but not on bosses
stoic thicket
Rupture still gets applied even if the knockback has no effect, I think.
wintry plume
speaking of rupture, i got my first legendary, second wave
livid comet
noice
stoic thicket
The wording says that the boons that afflict knockback also afflict rupture, says nowhere that the target actually has to be knocked back.
tawdry vine
@random hull @stoic thicket Thanks for your advice!
livid comet
I feel like GY got nerfed a bunch coming fresh off the previous patch
livid comet
so the only clearly better mirror talents are the boon related ones excluding family favourite
as far as I can tell
the others are meh or unreliable
OG mirror gang rise up
wintry plume
i use family favourite for now
i do want to invest on privileged status
livid comet
privileged status is stonking damage
and it's pretty reliable since there's a lotta boons that grant status effects
family favourite inherently relies on you getting boons from different god's during the run
which is random
in comparison, you can get privileged status as early as room 2
sudden dagger
I usually go priv status because I never notice the flat damage increase of the other one
But priv stat gives you a cool icon
Also focusing on a limited number of Gods usually gives you deeper boons with them
livid comet
yup
random hull
You're right there, but some gods are more reliable giving statuses than others. Ares, Aphrodite, Dionysus and Demeter are clearly on team Privileged Status. If you have a build favoring the others, it will take quite a while until you can get Exposed, Ruptured, Marked or Jolted, so Family Favorite does have its merits.
livid comet
Family favourite disincentives making a build based on a couple gods
sudden dagger
You could try to collect duo boons and go with family favorite maybe
That could be strong
Just forget about the deeper boons
livid comet
eeeh but how functional is that gonna be and how much rng would you need?
sudden dagger
I'm not a mathemagician, and I don't know if it would be strong, but it seems like you could see what Gods you get in Tartarus, and then use their keepsakes in Asphodel and Elysium to scoop up those sweet, sweet duos
I like priv stat too much to try lol
sudden dagger
As for the tier 2 status effects, jolted is pretty strong, but there are always things I want more from Artemis, posidon, and often Athena than to choose theirs
livid comet
I've barely ever used Jolted
random hull
Jolted is great if you have Cold Fusion (Zeus/Demeter duo), but very lackluster otherwise.
In other news, I finally, finally got my hand on a Chaos fish. And it was a Voidskate, to boot! Chaos was slightly amused.
turbid needle
Most Zeus builds will be very high APM, so you'll be able to reliably keep enemies Jolted, punishing them whenever they attack.
hardy epoch
If it's a question about content from the beta you should ask in #beta-discussion-june20
normal orbit
Oh! Right.
sand cape
i keep running golden touch to get titan blood in styx, and i keep finding diamonds instead... now i have 36 of them
sand cape
golden touch : gain 15% of your gold when you exit an underworld region
basically you stock up on gold and ignore the shops as much as possible
rack up 1500 gold and buy a titan blood
untold vortex
personally I don't think diamonds for blood is a good exchange, however if you ever see 15 keys for a blood take it
livid comet
keys cheap af
untold vortex
exactly, you'll end up with a surplus of them eventually
livid comet
just did a malphon clear with 1 heat.
untold vortex
niceu
livid comet
Gotta say I'm liking the fists a lot
untold vortex
Malphon is my current fav weapon it's a tonne of fun :3
livid comet
although I don't have enough blood :(
I wanna max out Arthur and see how it feels
sword is currently my worst weapon
untold vortex
that's understandable, I haven't given weapons other than sword and fists a shot yet, will probably try bow once I get chiron aspect fully leveled 
keen ocean
The spear is honestly my favorite weapon, but the fists are high up there. Particularly the Talos Fists. I just love to yoink enemies over before smashing them into the ground.
magic dagger
The spear is honestly my favorite weapon, but the fists are high up there. Particularly the Talos Fists. I just love to yoink enemies over before smashing them into the ground.
how do you even spear
I assume you don't mean GY
drowsy path
The spear is honestly my favorite weapon, but the fists are high up there. Particularly the Talos Fists. I just love to yoink enemies over before smashing them into the ground.
@keen ocean I hate spear hahahaha, love railgun or styx blade, bows are good too but spear... hahaha so difficult for me ^^
keen ocean
Nah. I generally spam the dash or flurry attack, or, if I'm lucky, the ricocheting throw.
Works wonders for things like Ares or Artemis.
drowsy path
What do u think is better combination of boons to each weapon guys¿
sand cape
some boons just work together so well regardless of weapon tho
magic dagger
What do u think is better combination of boons to each weapon guys¿
@drowsy path that's a big question that would be hard to answer without a wall of text
sand cape
some duo boons just instantly make things go well i think
like hunting blades and blizzard shot
some boons work way better on faster weapons, like aphrodites legendary
magic dagger
lightning strike works with rail
with nemesis you just want high attack damage
anything slow will want arti
sand cape
artemis seem to enable a lot of stuff, due her cast help, or her high power with crits
i just love with the hestia powershot crit for 1000
hushed ledge
yeah
FO1 is already so nice
I'm on EM3 FO1 rn
gonna go to EM3 FO2
after i got a clear with my 3 worst weapons in a row
magic dagger
also turn on TD, it shouldn't make a huge difference but it feels more intense
magic dagger
if you just make fast decisions and avoid troves it's easy
and then you can work more stuff into your runs once you know what to expect from the timer
hushed ledge
I'll try TD1 at some point I guess
TD2 is a big no
I'm consistently way above 28 min runs
carmine rivet
naive tusk
Unfortunately, I will have to delete it or it wouldn't be fair to other users. But yes, you can post it in #self-promotion
Hi Yukine
carmine rivet
hello peach!
blissful field
hey peach, so srry didn't saw that channel 😄 ill go there then 😄 thanks!!
naive tusk
Hello! No problem!
sudden dagger
Peach, what is your new Avatar a picture of?
Oh, is the first frame of a peach gif! I found it :D
naive tusk
It's from Ultimate, actually. Peach executing her final smash Peach Blossom 
raven radish
oh man it's HeartfulPeach, maker of those wonderful graphics
(I just joined the Discord and so far have only seen the wiki)
magic dagger
how do you unlock the fishing rod?
dry ember
that usually comes with run progression, I don't think anyone here actually knows
but you should get it fairly early though
magic dagger
Dang
I was super curious because I got it on the fourth (I think) run in my new file (in which I cleared on the first run), but I remember struggling to find enough gems to buy stuff in my first file
epic greater haste really makes your dashes feel irrelevant as a movement option
especially if you also have serrated edge
naive tusk
oh man it's HeartfulPeach, maker of those wonderful graphics
@raven radish Thank you
magic dagger
the graphics are helpful, and prettier than any others I've seen
untold vortex
the graphics helped me a tonne hunting for legendaries to complete prophecies 
magic dagger
the fact that almost everyone here only frequents the beta channels makes it very quiet everywhere else
traitors we should honor them for their great charity in helping sgg find bugs
lament coral
really wish this stuff was available in game
come on, we even have a Codex
boon tiers could be referred to as "tiers of devotion"
magic dagger
the codex is for trivia, not game mechanics
sheesh dude
much more important
hushed ledge
i'm not doing beta so i'm only here unfortunately
lament coral
well, I'm certainly not opposed to a game mechanics codex
perhaps even a proper bestiary...
magic dagger
how dare you suggest that a tool to make the game easier could be anything less than the purest evil
carmine rivet
i mean we already have a wiki
magic dagger
on that note, petition to remove the mirror and olympian boons from the game
cunning urchin
Just use RI4 and sell every boon.
magic dagger
gold is a tool to make the game easier
we need that gone too
cunning urchin
It looks like spoilers.
magic dagger
right
naive tusk
Wow, that was thoughtful of you, Zoom 
untold vortex
magic dagger
:klinkLurk:
careful lads
the mods are always watching
lament coral
Skelly should author the Mechanics Codex, while Hypnos should pen the Bestiary
naive tusk
Hypnos will never get it done. He can barely do the one he's been assigned already 
magic dagger
he knows everything, but he'll definitely forget to write it down
untold field
Ok guys, now I’m getting serious, why can’t I walk into the bath in the fountain room. I just need to relax in the nice space with my shade friends but it won’t let me 😾
lament coral
you say that, but the man always knows exactly what whooped Zag's ass and what he could've done differently
clearly, he has some insight
untold vortex
Hynos is a loveable bean, just not very good at his job
carmine rivet
Zag doesn't want to relax
magic dagger
He pretends to do his job between napping
he pretends very well
I don't think that means he's good at the job tho
untold field
He’s the god of sleep. He just works there. You can’t force the dude out of his nature
Born to sleep, forced to berate Zag whenever he dies.
magic dagger
the berating is definitely of his own volition
you can tell he enjoys it by the cleverness and variety of his comments
and he somehow manages to simultaneously sound completely innocent, the scoundrel
magic dagger
and nerves help you react faster+play better
hushed ledge
ye and i'm going fists which are kinda my comfort weapon
magic dagger
heh.
my first FO2 run was also my first with TD, BP, and MM
I definitely needed the safety blanket that is zoom aspect sword
hushed ledge
i'm doing EM3 FO2
the plan is to learn the "always on" things that majorly change the game
magic dagger
Go big and turn all of them on at once
for a real fun run
hushed ledge
... why is the fury boss door showing darkness as a reward
my highest fists clear is 5
this is 11
magic dagger
you didn't clear last time you did a fist run at better than 5 heat
magic dagger
just have good reflexes, and you'll get used to it before the run ends
and remember that your hitstuns don't work quite as well anymore
hushed ledge
yeah
i'm on fists so they do 😛
Hmm I'm really tempted to take this divine flourish
Demeter aspect with rush kick
But it's probably just bad
And the other options are epic Athena cast and epic bronze skin
You know what, I'll never get this good a reason to take Athena special on fists I'm gonna do it
hushed ledge
3rd boss calls are crazy hard to react to on FO2 whoa
dry ember
just dash everywhere
hushed ledge
I was
dry ember
works for me
hushed ledge
Got caught by zeus
dry ember
do you have EM3 on?
hushed ledge
Yes
dry ember
oh nice, that is a fun fight
hushed ledge
It's so much more fun ye
dry ember
I literally just got murdered by the cow cyclone
hushed ledge
Doing FO2 EM3 rn
dry ember
I had max Hard Labor
he did like 200 ish damage in less than 1 sec T.T
so I feel you
hushed ledge
It's so much harder but definitely more fun
stoic thicket
Turns out getting Merciful End at the Tartarus Miniboss on Zag fists does kinda help a ton to make that a smooth run.
First clear under 15 minutes.
dry ember
yeah Merc End is about the end all be all of fists run imo.
hushed ledge
I managed to screw up Hades so bad i have 3 hp going into P2 rip
dry ember
just do it hitless 5 head
hushed ledge
Died to a laser :(
dry ember
F
hushed ledge
Literally couldn't get to cover in time
dry ember
Hey beta contents should be discussed in #beta-discussion-june20, not here since it should be spoiler free for beta stuff.
untold vortex
thanks Fox ^_^
novel python
hushed ledge
rough hydra fight
because i had take damage on cast
but this is pretty promising LOL
livid comet
OMFG
hushed ledge
(also have snow burst for even more absurd deeps)
livid comet
THEY FINALLY DID IT
atomic locust
thats a good build
hushed ledge
yeah the build is pretty decent
atomic locust
losing death defiance on hydra is probably a death sentence hto
hushed ledge
i couldn't use cast
so i had basically a really bad build
but I should be in a great spot to roll from here
4 casts, 2.26 second recharge, snow burst
dry ember
losing death defiance on hydra is probably a death sentence hto
That's me like every run xD
hushed ledge
hydra is really hard when yoou have no deeps
hushed ledge
there's so many casts stuck in shield dudes LOL
picked up a kiss of styx at a pool
ez gg
ionic bane
I love the 4th blade aspect...but its second and 3rd attacks are soooo slow !
hushed ledge
Oh hey I picked up support fire and dual cast as well now
ionic bane
how is this even legal hahaha
dry ember
@ionic bane Excalibur is indeed slow
But you can have moments like this
Disclaimer not my pic but someone else's
ionic bane
just....woaw
)
dry ember
Worth xD
hushed ledge
definitely
I got FBs name covered but didn't get a chance to take a screenshot 😦
i just can't stop laughing
there's nothing like seeing and hearing 8 athena casts on screen at once
such a satisfying noise
ionic bane
quick question, does the evade bonus from the feather and the damage bonus from the other trinket stay if you change them later in the run ?
untold vortex
no
hushed ledge
no
ionic bane
aw bummer
untold vortex
it would be completely busted if it did that
cunning urchin
I'm actually not sure it would be busted.
hushed ledge
it probably would be
untold vortex
it would need reworking at the very least
hushed ledge
stack it in tart
ionic bane
true it would be quite easy to build them up in the early stages
cunning urchin
You don't get much of a bonus from Tartarus alone, and you're giving up other benefits.
hushed ledge
if you win with full DD's and full hp
livid comet
it doesn't actually seem to help on any of the minibosses in styx tho
hushed ledge
you know a run is good when you can clear butterfly hell without any eyes evolving
it doesn't
and that's good
that would be a huge nerf if it did
livid comet
suppose so
livid comet
it also has the coolest visual effect
also I still haven't picked up my zero heat blood
hushed ledge
do you have all keepsakes maxed?
hushed ledge
use some of the other ones then i guess
livid comet
so that's the ath, aph, art, ares, the HP boosting one, lucky tooth etc
hushed ledge
on the 0 heat clear
livid comet
noice
hushed ledge
if you aren't confident then hmm
is your GY maxed? if not that's really impressive tbh
livid comet
I've done 6 heat on GY before
hahaha
no way lol
GY maxed
non-maxed GY is like trying to block bullets with wet paper
😂
untold vortex
just a casual yes casts 
hushed ledge
two runs in a row!
hushed ledge
I had the same thing last run
untold vortex
chaos and fully loaded?
hushed ledge
this is stygian soul + chaos cast up + well cast up + fully loaded
livid comet
fully loaded?
livid comet
wew
hushed ledge
oh
i got epic auto reload in styx shop
well this is a run LOL
so, 6 is enough casts that you can never stop casting
FO2 is hella fun
i'm consistently getting perfect catches!
untold vortex
crystal wing
I never use cast
is it actually good investing in it
initially its just a small red blood bullet that does poor damage
hushed ledge
at base cast is a 50 damage ranged homing attack
that's already kinda crazy strong
and there's a lot of ways to buff it
errant narwhal
wait until you get hunting blades
hushed ledge
even without hunting blades you can really ride on cast builds
especially if you pick up a bunch of chaos
or arty legendary
crystal wing
that imagine had me confused
I have no idea how u got that much ammo inside him when the cap is 4 (then again I almost never use it so i don't know its mechanics much)
hushed ledge
I use stygian soul
which is the green cast mirror upgrade
instead of having 3 casts that you can use all at once but have to wait to drop to get them back, you have 1 cast but it has a 3 second recharge
I also had auto reload, a hermes boon that at epic reduces that recharge time to 2.26 seconds
and then of course 6 casts, so i could ABC (always be casting)
crystal wing
If you have 1 cast with a cooldown + the hermes upgrade that reduced cooldown
leaden hare
looking back at all those times in Asphodel where my casts flied right into lava 
yes stygian soul have its benefits
hushed ledge
either chaos boons that increase your max number of casts (for the first run)
or the artemis legendary alsoo
which is +3 max casts
and with stygian soul, each cast beyond the first has its own seperate recharge timer
crystal wing
So by the time u cast your second or third cast, your first cast is off cooldown hence the (ABC)
hushed ledge
6th cast actually to always be casting
crystal wing
to get 6 though you need Artemis + chaos ?
hushed ledge
6 i got with 1 chaos art and pool
those two runs were outliers
but even in normal runs weaving in casts can be good
especially with stygian
*is good
crystal wing
kk gotcha
yeah in your circumstance with the damage I saw online, then yes Cast is very, very, powerful
the build I saw online he had like 3 or 4 casts that got stuck in an enemy hence why I wasn't really impressed
hushed ledge
that's still not bad tbh
but yeah
infernal soul cast builds function differently
they usually want to be either Poseidon aspect (always use infernal soul for pos aspect), or a blade rift build
hushed ledge
once you have a general idea of how to build runs the game becomes much more strategic long term kinda
crystal wing
yeah
hushed ledge
i have literally never thought "yeah i want to see a Poseidon boon as my first boon"
I'm gonna push for a 16 clear tomorrow I think
I know I can do it if I can do 11 clears
stoic thicket
Have you never run a Sea Storm Chiron build?
errant narwhal
so close, yet so far
untold vortex
you gots this
hushed ledge
You can do it!!!
errant narwhal
it took me two runs to complete tight deadline+damage control, but forced overtime+approval process are so harsh lol
thank you
hushed ledge
Do it on different runs if you aren't used to Forced Overtime imo
It's definitely a large difficulty increase
untold vortex
yeah, if you're not comfy do multiple runs
I decided to do FO2 and TD2 for gigs and it was a tonne of fun
||Hades|| kicked my butt the first time though
hushed ledge
I'm scared to do TD1 even yet
But I know I'm gonna have to learn it to achieve my goals
stoic thicket
Forced Overtime honestly isn't that bad. It takes a little bit to get used to but take it with a weapon that you feel comfortable on and you'll think the non-FO game is weirdly sluggish without it.
errant narwhal
TD wasnt that bad when i played with plume as well throughout the whole game until styx
hushed ledge
FO isn't that bad but it's definitely very difficult at first because you have to completely change how you deal with some enemies
errant narwhal
i had a lot of time to spare, but i did TD1
untold vortex
the advice for TD2 I got from Nyaan was take shops and chaos gates wherever possible as they count as rooms
stoic thicket
Like these days I run FO2 essentially as a default, the first time I got clobbered.
untold vortex
and pause when making room decisions
hushed ledge
I went from FO0 to FO2 today over like 6 runs
hushed ledge
I'm gonna take a break from pushing my heat up to max out the last few keepsakes I have left to max
I learnt EM1, and then spent quite a long time and then learnt EM2 and then 3 a couple days after
EM1/2 fights are so much more fun
EM3 is a much harder fight imo
stoic thicket
EM2, FO2, TD1 is my default set-up and then I usually see afterwards. Middle Management and BP1 are usually fairly handleable as well and that's a solid chunk of heat to go with for baseline.
EM3 is harder in some parts, easier in others. Theseus is less of a factor, he mostly makes the battleground somewhat smaller but isn't actively attacking you most of the time. Asterius becomes really terrifying.
hushed ledge
Asterius spinning top is terrifying
My lofty goal is to be up there pushing the top heats so I know I'll have to learn EM3 anyways so I'm just leaving it on
stoic thicket
The EM3 FO2 combo is really terrifying, usually costs me a death defiance even when I don't play like complete crap. So up to now aside from my sparse attempts at 32 I've always picked either one or the other.
dire bough
is it just me or is chiron bow aspect quite underwhelimg at level 1
stoic thicket
It's not just you, it's borderline unusable at level 1.
At max it's pretty good, at 1 you might as well run Zag aspect.
hushed ledge
My Chiron aspect is at 2 lol
dire bough
yeah i think i will, will try and level it up a bit before i get back to it
any reccomendations on a starting spear? I tried achilies, but not sure if I'm into the cast builds just yet
loving chaos shield and that crit sword though
hushed ledge
GY if you have it maxed
dire bough
just starting out so no where near any titan blood to max stuff
hushed ledge
Ah rip
stoic thicket
Achilles is probably the best of the base spear aspects, Hades has the issue of being built around the spin attack which is hard to pull off consistently. Spin depends a lot on getting the right hammer upgrades.
hushed ledge
I can't play Achilles to save my life lol
dire bough
yeah i felt really off trying to play it, tried Ares cast build
ill have to try it agian
guessing it needs to be played as a cast weapon as the bonus dmg doesnt seem like much on a standard attac
hushed ledge
Ares cast build is weird regardless of weapon tbf
stoic thicket
You need to be careful where to aim that Achilles special but the base idea is to zap to the spear and fire off two casts. Blizzard shot / hunting blades / ice wine what have you.
dire bough
yeah ill try another god's projectile, found mobs just ran through hunting blades
maybe Poseidon
stoic thicket
Hunting Blades should work just fine.
hushed ledge
Hunting blades is really good huh
dire bough
i'm sure its just me, but just fighting the furies and I couldnt really maximise hunting blades as she would run straight through it
stoic thicket
You sure you had Hunting Blades?
dire bough
hmm is it ares cast, like a slow moving rad ring of blades
stoic thicket
Slicing Shot is Ares' cast, it only becomes Hunting Blades with the Artemis Duo.
stoic thicket
Slicing Shot on it's own is actually quite bad.
hushed ledge
Slicing shot kinda sucks yeah
stoic thicket
With the Artemis Duo it moves faster and follows targets.
hushed ledge
You really need boons for it
dire bough
gotcha, so you would just need to survive as best as you can till you get the duo
anyways thanks for the advice, ill keep at it
hushed ledge
A large part of my improvement is just playing a lot and putting in the time
tepid trail
oh my god im so bad, i messed up my scintilating feast, ice wine run
stoic thicket
That being said @dire bough the Poseidon cast is probably easier to handle if you're looking for an Achilles Spear build, as it works perfectly fine even without the Duo.
So does Trippy Shot.
O and I are like right next to each other, bot.
dire bough
ii did pick up poseidon's cast when I was playing with the chiron bow, ended up using that as it did better dmg haha
ill try a run of trying to get hunting blades and see how I go
only playing 1 heat atm anyways so should be ok to practice
hushed ledge
I should learn infernal soul more but I'm too used to weaving in Stygian casts
dire bough
i actually prefer stygian
dire bough
when i play wit the crit sword, but its only one cast so need the infernal soul
for spea
spear*
hushed ledge
Yeah infernal is definitely important for some aspects
dire bough
now the question's going to be do i use these aspects to farm titan blood for chiron's bow haha
sand cape
you might want to complete the profecies that give titan blood
dire bough
yeah working through those as well
will upgrade the chaos shield first, then loop back to the chiron bow
are there any good sites for builds ?
sand cape
hmm i think your main priority is trying to learn what boons you need to take so the gods offer you duo and legendaries
like for example, athena wont offer you her legendary if you dont have briliant riposte
dire bough
yeah i've started to identify duo boons to shoot for, just need to learn them for all weapons
been using the wiki
sand cape
well keep in mind cast builds work regardless of weapon, they just work way better on some aspects like poseidon and hera
if i see demeter and poseidon i aim for blizzard shot regardless
dire bough
yeah ive mainly been playing melee, dashing in and out, so cast/range have been taking a bit to get use to, esp cast
sand cape
i know the feeling, but once you taste the power of a cast build it is like a drug
my last spear run i had 5 dashes and explosive launcher, still took hunting blades just in case
dire bough
yeah i've had two attempts at the Achilles spear, just the mechanics arn't clicking yet, was mainly meleeing as I wasnt doing enough dmg with the two casts by the time i got to Elysium , last attempt I didnt have the dps to get through the orb mini boss
funnily, the run before was my failed chiron bow run, and same deal with that mini boss haha,
just trying to figure out if the base aspects are good at lower levels, or if i should use weapons i can use to farm titan bloods to level the other aspects up
sand cape
i know your feeling with achilles spear, i really hate the dash mechanic, sometimes i randomly end where i dont want
dire bough
yeah it's easy in the first zone, but starts getting tricky in the second zone
sand cape
oh btw, dont forget there is are two profecies that are way easier at low heat levels, the one about using all the mirror upgrades to win, and the one about using all the pact of punishment conditions
some are extra difficult and you wont want to use them together
like tight deadlines plus anything that would make you take longer
or having less hp and just one dash from the mirror
dire bough
yeah ill check those out, tbh i'm only on heat 1-2 atm, just been using the increased gold cost atm
sand cape
try them all, so you can get that juicy reward of 10 titan bloods
dire bough
yeah ill check it out now, alrigh time to play one more game before bed, thanks for the advice!
sand cape
jesus, im playing final spear and i got offer artemis three times
restive solar
Personally I love the achilles aspect
Takes some getting used to, but the mobility starts to feel explosively powerful when you get used to it
A big thing is remembering that you don’t HAVE to dash to the spear
You can just call it back by pressing the attack button
cosmic shadow
Please remind me to never pick up heightened security and extreme measures 2 at the same time ever again
that lernie arena is murder with increased lava damage
sand cape
im not the only one that randomly dash into lava huh?
sand cape
im so bad in that learnie that i been using the skelly cheese there
sand cape
heat level hydra or regular?
dreamy fog
Dont know the diference
Q : On the mirror ( in the bedroom ) each upgrade has 2 sides . That means that I need to select on of those sides to be activated, or both are ?
sand cape
you select the side
also there is a profecie reward for having win using each of the different upgrades
warning they need to have at least one level in them to count
dreamy fog
Oh so I dont need to max both sides, because only one will be active
sand cape
correct, also some of the sides are rather weak
verbal ibex
So I just had a run with Triple Bomb and Rocket Bomb
that was the most broken thing ever
1500 dmg from a distance every 3 seconds
astral phoenix
Apparently Bouldy can give up to 10% bonus movespeed with his boons
verbal ibex
i just noticed i could give him offerings
main osprey
yeah :D
verbal ibex
dont see him in the log tho
main osprey
:,( yeah
verbal ibex
justice for bouldy
sand cape
i was very scare of extreme messures 3, turns out it feels better than EM 2
untold vortex
@turbid needle no tech beta things outside of #beta-discussion-june20 please
As noted in #test-branch-readme
Also please read the channel in full
restive solar
how do I get rid of a seed?
I'm on a seed so utterly awful that it's not even fun to play
restive solar
damn
main osprey
does that work if you load a cast into a weapon?
dry ember
Yes
main osprey
good
dry ember
So if you really hate your 1st boon, nothing you can do there
But you can change the next room, etc.
restive solar
😐