h1-builds-and-combat

[cunning urchin]

I haven't tried.

[naive tusk]

Siiiilent niiiight~
Nyyyyyx' miiiight~

Everyone went asleep, it seems

[cunning urchin]

I'm awake.

[naive tusk]

Where's your doggo?

[cunning urchin]

I was playing Repeatedly Dying in Tartarus.

[naive tusk]

Why?

I can't deny that I also like to watch Zagreus suffer but I also want to have successful attempts, you know

[cunning urchin]

Because Lady Athena wanted me to fight with Divine Flourish and Phalanx Shot.

Dionysus' Aid couldn't make up for the lack of DPS either.

[turbid arch]

And I am at work. Talking to idiots as per usual.

[cunning urchin]

@naive tusk he's not my doggo.

[naive tusk]

Denial

Divine Flourish + Brilliant Riposte run = baseball run 👌

I'm sooo gonna go for that next chance I get

[cunning urchin]

Divine Flourish + no Attack boon = no run at all.

[carmine rivet]

@naive tusk oh! you're the person who made the boon progression infographics. you've my gratitude, as i'm sure others have expressed

[cunning urchin]

I couldn't beat TD2 once like that.

[naive tusk]

Oh, you are welcome! 😊

[carmine rivet]

they've been an absolute gods-send as i'm trying to do the prophecies

[naive tusk]

It always feel nice when someone is grateful towards you

[turbid arch]

Brilliant Riposte is a seriously underrated boon these days.

The damage increase it can provide is stellar.

[naive tusk]

If you want tips on how to get specific boons or have any questions regarding them, feel free to ask

[north bronze]

Hey all :)

Guess I'll contribute to the discussion by showing something funny that happened to me today
https://imgur.com/gallery/Abuf5AH

[cunning urchin]

as i'm sure others have expressed
Why did you need to bring that up.

[carmine rivet]

will do, thanks! just got in here tonight though i've been lurk-editing on the wiki for awhile

[naive tusk]

What's wrong with that, flower girl?

[carmine rivet]

*shurg
Not sure, but they've been up for awhile so I assumed as much

[cunning urchin]

Ehehe. Thankfully no one ever said anything ungrateful about them. 😅

hides

[turbid arch]

I am going to make a bold statement now:

Athena should have weakening and Aphrodite should have extra backstabbing damage on their debuffs.

[naive tusk]

Oh, some have but they haven't been heard of again

Just kidding

[cunning urchin]

[naive tusk]

Where was that comment again... I got to dig it up...

[cunning urchin]

[naive tusk]

I never fail to impress
https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/520688402958516254/711977552675209266

[cunning urchin]

[untold vortex]

[naive tusk]

Well, you haven't been the 1st one to ask about the colored arrows so I will do something about them after next update hits. Hopefully that will make them 100% clear to everyone 😅

[carmine rivet]

@turbid arch i can see it either way. the sort of cunning tactics that Athena represents works well for both backstabbing and weakening foes' attacks.
and Aphrodite leaving foes physically weak makes sense from a love perspective (i've heard that expression many times) but the bonus backstabbing to represent cheating i can see as well (given her mythological relationship with her husband).

[naive tusk]

I thought it would be clear enough considering the contrast to the other pathways but I got to remember that quote from Douglas Adams

[carmine rivet]

ah, yeah, i must admit i was confused about the dual-color arrows at first without context, but I figured it out after ruminating on it for a bit.

[naive tusk]

Yes! Yukine is very smart

[cunning urchin]

Hai hai. A-anything you say.

[turbid arch]

Athena in this game does not really feel like a tactician to me.

More like a Knucklehead of Justice with a temper.

Kinda like Superman!

[cunning urchin]

She's a . . . deflectitian?

[turbid arch]

Weakening always struck me as being too strong a debuff that's available right from the get go on 4 main boons.

[cunning urchin]

Becoming invincible is an effective strategy, to be fair.

[turbid arch]

As a T2 Boon for the goddess with an actual defensive focus, it would be a better fit and level out the playing field a bit better.

[naive tusk]

What would the backstabbing status curse from Aphrodite be called?

[carmine rivet]

distracted?

[turbid arch]

Cheating Men Must Die

[naive tusk]

Women also cheat

[turbid arch]

Cheating Hu-Men Must Die

[carmine rivet]

Aphrodite is quite renown for cheating

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, but the women don't need to die.

[naive tusk]

Tell that to Zagreus whenever he wants to pass through Asphodel

[turbid arch]

Eurydice having died is arguably inarguably one of the best things that could have happened to Zagreus.

Was that a dark thing to say?

[opal bay]

Cheating Crush

[naive tusk]

Orpheus is crying somewhere at that...

[turbid arch]

I think Orpheus was not immortal in the first place, was he?

So he would have died at some point anyway and Eurydice would have lived forever

as long as she avoided snakes.

[naive tusk]

Aren't lovers supposed to wish for the best of the other? So Eurydice still living would have made him happy, I think.

Now, this is more suited to #h1-discussion or #h1-story-discussion 😅

But I'm going to bed in a bit so I guess I will leave it to my fellow mods to make sure you stay nice and hearty

[frosty plover]

Hello everyone!

First of all: awesome game. Really enjoy it so far and couldn't stop playing it for the last few days.

There is one only one thing i didn't like as much and i was wondering, if i as a new player should write that into feedback or maybe it has already.

It's about Titan Blood and in a sense about Ambrosia too. I think it's not good to have that materials so early in game without knowing and no explanation what they are there for.

I think it would be better to reward X titan blood / ambrosia with a prophecy where you have a specific goal to work for and if you unlock and start using it, you have some of those mats to start.

Would be happy to know if that already was a topic or if i'm missing something here. 🙂

[naive tusk]

You can submit that to #hades-feedback . Read the pinned message about the rules there beforehand.

[cunning urchin]

I don't think I've seen that specifically in #hades-feedback.

But there are over a thousand posts in there between updates alone.

[naive tusk]

And me neither, so it's fresh I think

[untold vortex]

ni ni peach hope sleepRNG is kind

[naive tusk]

And that's true too. There's plenty of feedback that new users can't know what has been submitted or not. Unless you've seen a recent feedback similar to what you want to post, feel free to post yours

Aggy

Have I told you that I wuv you?

[untold vortex]

I don't think I've seen that either

[frosty plover]

I just joined and have seen that there is a loooot of feedback. so i thought i'm probably not the first one with that feeling. 😄 But thanks for your feedback.

[carmine rivet]

hmm, i did think it was strange when i started new saves coming into the game again that you get titan blood (for aspects which you don't get until several runs in) instead of darkness. it also slows early-game progression not to get the big darkness drops from the bosses.

[untold vortex]

wuv you too Peach

[turbid arch]

I do read everything in Feedback and I haven't seen that bit of feedback yet either. It's a good one.

[frosty plover]

I'm at a point where i defeated hades the first time, got all weapons (so i know now what Titan Blood is for), but i still have no clue what Ambrosia is about. Not sure how many of them i have already, but i would need more explanation ingame or a better "distribution" of it.

[turbid arch]

The closest thing the game does is giving you a conversation with Achilles where he says "Best to just hold onto it lad" about Ambrosia bottles

[naive tusk]

I was in the same boat as you, Crabby. Until I finally started to see what Ambrosia was for (after much playtime).

[carmine rivet]

i do think Ambrosia should get delayed. considering you need a few dozen runs until you get to start using it (without spoiling what they're for) for anything other than Broker swaps, locking them behind a prophecy could be a good idea

[naive tusk]

But getting Ambrosia in Elysium is so fitting~

[carmine rivet]

yeaaa

especially with the fish rewards there being on-brand to that

[frosty plover]

I mean it would be less mysterious and more on the nose with prophecies, but i'm not that happy how it is now either.

[naive tusk]

I got the feels when I saw that shiny, exquisite bottle in a grassy wonderland 🌿 🥃

Anyways, as Thanatos would say: "I'm gone."
Poof! 🎉

[carmine rivet]

g'night!

[untold vortex]

ni ni

[frosty plover]

Good night @naive tusk, sorry to delay your sleep. 😄

[untold vortex]

sleep, can we eat it

[frosty plover]

Ok, will post it in Feedback then. Thank you everyone. 🙂

Or, if someone with english as their main language wants to do that for me, feel free to do it. 😄

[untold vortex]

make sure to get the early access role from #bot-commands first ^_^

you won't be able to post in the feedback channel otherwise

[frosty plover]

Will do.

[cunning urchin]

Your English seems perfectly fine. Don't worry.

[untold vortex]

indeed, your english seems quite good

[turbid arch]

Yeah, your good seems very english!

[frosty plover]

😄

Thx, will try my best.

[mossy badge]

I have "exclusive access" (minimum rariy = epic) and i just came to euridice ...

if i get next 3 boons are higher will that mean i will get legendary/heroic/duo?

[untold vortex]

heroic; rarity goes common > rare > epic > heroic > legendary/duo

[mossy badge]

ah ok thanks @untold vortex
but i should be guarnteed that at least tho right?

they should combine?

[turbid arch]

Heroics cannot be upgraded into legendary/duos though.

Legendarys and Duos are their own boons entirely.

[mossy badge]

right

[untold vortex]

yeah legendaries/duos are their own thing

each have different prerequisites

for legendaries, the boon trees are pinned here
for duos; the prereqs are also pinned here

there's also the duo boon wiki page for duo prereqs

[mossy badge]

yeah im really trying to get my 1st heat run of the bow and got duos: sea storm, exclusive aces and electric fog

just wondering if i would waste my euridice by picking up that one next 3 boons

[untold vortex]

good luck ^_^

[cunning urchin]

Heroic boons are only offered as exchanges. So with Exclusive Access, you'll still only see Epic boons.

[errant narwhal]

eurydice does upgrade boons to heroic tho, so theres that

[mossy badge]

Heroic boons are only offered as exchanges. So with Exclusive Access, you'll still only see Epic boons.
@cunning urchin
Oh now that makes more sense

Does overriding boons also make the gods more likely to have those 2 gods 1 room scenarios?

[turbid arch]

What if Charon Wells would sell random Boon rarity upgrades?

[cunning urchin]

Only way to get Heroic boons is through exchanges or upgrading boons with Rare Crop or Eurydice.

[untold vortex]

ahh wasn't aware of that; ty 😄

[cunning urchin]

What if Charon Wells would sell random Boon rarity upgrades?
Would still just be Epic.

[turbid arch]

I think you misunderstood.

I meant as in, hypotheticly, Charon Wells having an Item for sale that reads "Randomly increases the rarity of one of your current boons"

[cunning urchin]

Oh you mean as a new feature.

[turbid arch]

Yeah.

[cunning urchin]

Hmmm. That would make Rare Crop and Eurydice's food less valuable.

[untold vortex]

the cost would have to be something of at least 150 obols if it were a thing

[cunning urchin]

100 obols is cheap.

[untold vortex]

that's why I changed it to 150

100 is very cheap agreed

[carmine rivet]

i would definitely rate its cost as being close to the Kiss of Styx

[cunning urchin]

Still, though, I'd just reroll an early well and have a Heroic attack boon in Tartarus.

[mossy badge]

decided to take the +1 to 4 abilities

[untold vortex]

150 would be a good starting point and then can be adjusted if found to be too strong at that price

[mossy badge]

i was able to instagib 2 hydra heads at once with electric fog on hera cast build

[carmine rivet]

Quad Pom is good when you have mutliple boons

[untold vortex]

ayy niceu

[mossy badge]

well i got exclusive access super early so everythign been epci 🙂

[cunning urchin]

It's good when I have multiple boons and definitely want to hit certain ones with an upgrade.

[mossy badge]

This might be the run I FINALLY beat it with the bow then get that challenge complete

🤞🏼 🤞🏼 🤞🏼 🤞🏼 🤞🏼 🤞🏼

[carmine rivet]

considering how closely +1 rarity is to +1~+2 Lv, i think 150-175 would be fair considering Pom sells for 100 at Charon

[untold vortex]

my gut tells me it would be very strong and people would roll for it if it were available; possibly gating it to only being in Charon pools in Elysium and Styx for 200+ might be a good compromise 🤔

[cunning urchin]

You can't upgrade every boon with poms.

But every boon can increase in rarity.

Hermes boons are a prime example.

[carmine rivet]

yeah 200+ sounds right since the boosted Poms in Charon's Styx shop are 300. should be costly to upgrade boons that are very rare to boost.

[turbid arch]

You guys are crazy.

[untold vortex]

yes, thankyou

[turbid arch]

A single rank up on a boon is in most cases far less potent than a pom

[viral valve]

so ive been wondering. are those 4th specs for infernal arms even in the game yet? cause if I wanted the slot to be a placeholder id prob word it the way it currently is

[turbid arch]

and at least the way I proposed it, you would not even get to chose what boon would get the rarity bump

[untold vortex]

but I'm a pokemon 😛

[turbid arch]

Market Value for a Pom Of Power is 100 obols, so the charons well purchase should be less than that.

Thinking 80 to 90.

[carmine rivet]

@viral valve for a few of them, yes. but you'll have to find out which

[viral valve]

interesting. alright^^

[untold vortex]

except, you don't get to choose the upgrade with Eurydice either

if an item to upgrade a boon from pools or shops where to exist it would either need to be gated to post Tartarus; cost more than a pom or both

[opal bay]

you can guess which by reading the description but yeah currently there are few ready, with more coming this update.

[carmine rivet]

i think you're right about the Rarity vs Lvl disparity @turbid arch but Nyaanyaa is right that such an item would have much more versatility than a Pom in what boons it can affect

[untold vortex]

upgrading rarity doesn't give you the immediate impact of a lvl up; it gives you much better scalability which would make it dangerous if it were to appear in Tartarus costing less than a pom

[turbid arch]

Variety can be a good and a bad thing.

More variety = less likely to hit the boon you want.

"Man, I really would like to get the rarity bump on Greatest Reflex!"

"DAAAAMN, it's just sure footing!"

[untold vortex]

not to mention having access to such an item pre-asphodel or even in asphodel would almost invalidate one of Eurydice's options if it were to cost less than a pom

[turbid arch]

That is something that you can't generalize. Different boons scale with levels and rarity differently.

Eurydices 4 poms of power already do that imo.

In almost all cases, that one is the best choice to go with.

(I think that one needs to be nerfed to 3 in general by the way)

[untold vortex]

this is just something we're gonna have to agree to disagree on

[carmine rivet]

Hunter Dash and Serrated Edge are such a good combo. I am shredding through enemies

[turbid arch]

I mean, let us take two boons as an example.

Dionysus Attack and Hunter Dash.

Dionysus Attack would get +1 damage per tick per stack for a rarity upgrade

but it would get +2 damage for a level up from a pom.

Hunter Dash would get +25% extra damage from a rarity upgrade

but only 15% damage from a pom

And those irregularities are all over the game.

And that is ignoring that there are way more boons where you can't put a pom into like greatest reflex

making level ups much more consistent.

[cunning urchin]

I'd like to see the exact numbers for pom scaling, actually. Haven't seen them anywhere.

[turbid arch]

You would need to see them in detail for each boon individually.

It is especially crazy for casts.

Most casts like Athenas and Poseidons get huuuge damage increases for the first pom put into them

but they tend to scale rather poorly with rarity

I think the same is true for God Aid boons

[cunning urchin]

Well.

Get to it.

Go and gather the data.

[turbid arch]

Sorry, I have actual work to do for my money right now!

[cunning urchin]

I'll pay you all the obols I've stored in Zagreus's room.

Think about it.

[turbid arch]

You can't take Obols out of a run into Zagreus room. So no.

Also, if I do not tell these financial consultants that they are stupid and unable to read, who else will?

[weak moat]

@cunning urchin did we manage to beat dad

[dry ember]

Morning folks, seems like I missed Peach...

I got to Styx on 42 using your seed

[weak moat]

oh neato

hard part will probably be punching dad

unless you're farming ME or something

[dry ember]

ME?

[earnest lynx]

Punching dad is the easy part. It's when he hits back that's hard

[cunning urchin]

Merciful End.

[dry ember]

Ah she is here, still

[cunning urchin]

Punching him is a hard part, too, because TD2 is a thing.

[earnest lynx]

Which is why I don't punch dad. I just use ares cast and hide behind rocks, It became a game of tag 😆

[weak moat]

gotta 1v1 him

[dry ember]

I'm making good headway for 42

[earnest lynx]

If i wanna 1v1 him i get my spear

aka butt kicking stick

[dry ember]

Can't wait for her to eat her words.

I've been trying max JS no CP with Lightning Strike

Works decent

[cunning urchin]

@weak moat I've been sleeping most of the day. AP2 RNG wasn't kind to me in Tartarus, after the first 4 attempts I think I got Divine Dash once and Divine Strike not at all.

[weak moat]

ah I was referring mostly to the run with that epic divine strike

[cunning urchin]

And a lot of the time no attack boon through Tartarus, so I couldn't make TD2 lol.

[weak moat]

no luck feels bad though

[cunning urchin]

Oh.

Lernie killed me.

[weak moat]

I know you don't care for it, but if you want a seed to run I can pass you one

[cunning urchin]

Like the very edge of his head slam AOE lol.

[weak moat]

yeah lernie's slam seems to get me a lot unless I'm paying super close attention

[carmine rivet]

just saw your feedback about shortening the slam hitbox and i def think you're right. it's a little large to the graphic

[cunning urchin]

He 360 no-scope head-slammed me from across the room just as I was killing the last yellow head.

[turbid arch]

I am unsure about your feedback, Wriste.

[weak moat]

yzat

[turbid arch]

While I will never be the man who would downvote a suggestion on a spear buff (because god knows the spear needs all the buffs it can get)

I do not think that the charge attack is the thing to buff.

[weak moat]

since the spin attack is unusable, I'd like to see it be usable

I'm fighting the game tooth and nail to use the spin attack, which isn't a good feel

[turbid arch]

I think the charge attack is usable. The only scenario in which it becomes unusable is with Benefits package.

Teleporting enemies ruin it

[weak moat]

fairly unusable in situations where you want to

you can't really use it in combat

and making distance is really unreliable to use as well, since you're standing still and range attacks will interrupt

however, as I say to everyone

you can prove me wrong by making it look good

as of now I can't find any application that works with any level of reliability

[cunning urchin]

DC kind of kills it, too. What's the point of so much base dmg on the spin when it does no damage, and and the best time to use it is at the start of a new wave . . . when everything has blue hearts.

[dry ember]

Real talk, when I see people meantioning 40+ heat balance in the feedback, I think the suggestion will be glossed over lol

[weak moat]

I think the trouble applies even to reasonable heat levels

[turbid arch]

I mean, here is the thing. You say that the charge attack of the spear is unusable.

I say that the charge attack is the spears only saving grace

[weak moat]

well, there are other problems with the spear

[turbid arch]

Though I do admit that this mindset is a relic of the time where the spear regular attacks were about half as strong as they are now

[weak moat]

it has really low damage on its attacks

painfully slow

[cunning urchin]

20 heat was a very easy clear with Hades Aspect. I've only used it twice, got it to Lv.5 last time I had some Titan Blood.

[turbid arch]

Not really, The regular attacks are actually pretty beefy these days

and it has a dash attack now which is neat

The special is the only disappointing thing

Which is also one of the reasons why GY is so good. It makes the special usable.

[weak moat]

as I said, I'd like to see it.

[turbid arch]

Also, Foxhope has a point with what he said earlier.

[weak moat]

the speed is really low as well

[turbid arch]

When its you and me, we end up talking about super high heated runs a lot.

We are the exception, not the rule.

For anything up to 32 heat, the spear in all forms if viable, playable and doable.

[weak moat]

everything is playable and viable at 32 heat

[turbid arch]

And that is the point.

I want the Devs to cater to the masses more than I want them to cater to me.

[weak moat]

pushing the heat shows where the weapons are deficient. And just as well, I think the issue with the spin is generally felt at all levels

Requires hammers to feel good to use

[dry ember]

The heat doesn't show the weapons being deficient

[cunning urchin]

I think high heat highlights balance issues that exist on lower heat but aren't as easy to pin down. Assuming balance between the aspects is the goal, anyway.

[weak moat]

^

[cunning urchin]

Which it isn't necessarily, and that's fine, too.

[dry ember]

The fact that they buffed SF shows that they are going off different metrics than heat climbing

[weak moat]

SF?

[cunning urchin]

But I'm pretty sure they look at feedback from us for 40+ seriously.

[turbid arch]

Of course they do.

[cunning urchin]

Spread Fire.

[weak moat]

I'd think they'd take pretty seriously thoughts from the perspective of the highest level of play

oh right SF

[turbid arch]

If this were a PVP game, that would have a chance to be true.

[weak moat]

not that it's the only consideration

[turbid arch]

If I look at Smite, they make their balance choices almost exclusively based on what the pro-players say

and do.

Which is stupid as well in its own right for a lot of reasons, but that is how they do it

But that is a PVP game.

Hades is a strict single player PVE game

so other metrics apply here.

[weak moat]

not sure if that's a case for glossing over high heat feedback. especially if it's built into the game

[turbid arch]

I did not say that they gloss over it.

That was someone else.

[dry ember]

Yup PvE, there is no "pro" balancing

[turbid arch]

And I disagree'd with it

People doing high heated runs see and experience players that most regular players do not

but may one day

[weak moat]

you said he had a point, so you are agreeing with it

[turbid arch]

Not a lot of people would make Calisthenics, Yuri and Benefits Package active at once.

[weak moat]

unless you misspoke

[dry ember]

Yuri

[turbid arch]

He has a point in regards that something that is noticable in high heated runs does not have to be a problem for low heated runs

making it a low priority thing.

That would be my take on the matter.

If I say "I can't clear 50 heat with the spear because of this being bad, please change it!"

[cunning urchin]

Where is that yuri option?

[weak moat]

and my general point is that some issues from heated runs reflect issues at the lower ends

[turbid arch]

but a 100 players can clear 30 heat in the meantime and have a good time doing so

That makes it a low priority concern

Again, I do not disagree with you on the note that the spear could use buffs.

I am in a constant state of "Spear needs buffs"

[weak moat]

not to mention, this is a roguelike, and high level play is a big part of the genre.

[turbid arch]

But I do not think that the charge attack is where those buffs are needed.

The special is the first thing to look at

Which, subsequently, would also buff Hades Aspect

[cunning urchin]

@weak moat have you tried 0 points in DC for Hades Aspect?

[weak moat]

I would never take DC for hades aspect

[turbid arch]

What was DC again?

[dry ember]

and my general point is that some issues from heated runs reflect issues at the lower ends
Not always, again check my SF point.

[cunning urchin]

Damage Control. Blue hearts.

[turbid arch]

Yeah, DC with the spear on a special heavy build ain't no pretty.

[cunning urchin]

Spread Fire imo is more a speedrunner aspect than very high heat.

[turbid arch]

But you still have your dash and regular attacks to pop these.

[carmine rivet]

Personally, I haven't tried heat any higher than 10 since the Pact rework in the Superstar update. Left off Hades for school just after the High Speed update and only got back to playing after the Night Night update released.
When I tried using Aspect4's spin attack, it was honestly painful how long it took to charge for how short it lasts when it's a major point of the revised moveset because of the reduced health.

[cunning urchin]

No stunlock is a problem.

[turbid arch]

People heavily underestimate the importance of flinching enemies.

[dry ember]

Yup Yuki, that's why you ignore it and spam special instead

[turbid arch]

The rail suffers from that more than any other weapon

[carmine rivet]

Aspect4's special was my saving grace doing that run honestly

[cunning urchin]

You should give Divine Strike on Guan Yu a spin.

[weak moat]

spin

[turbid arch]

I am sure that I have seen a 40 heat victory with Guan Yu Artemis Attack.

Pretty sure it was one of the first as well.

I had my high heat Guan Yu victory with Athenas Attack.

I realized that the special was a cool thing to do only much much later.

I was too fixated on being able to heal myself.

[cunning urchin]

Special hasn't been that great in my personal experience, I've only heard here that it's supposedly good.

[turbid arch]

It deals 50 damage, has a long reach and is wide.

[weak moat]

its the charged skewer dream

[turbid arch]

It is easy and safe to use.

[carmine rivet]

huh. was reading Athena's wiki page to make sure divine was her modifier (haven't memorized them yet) and just read that it's sure footing that gives a short immunity to asphodel's lava. that should probably be more clear

[cunning urchin]

50 is pretty low for the low rate of fire imo.

[turbid arch]

It certainly ain't no Spread Fire.

But it decimates enemies with ease.

And as the man said, charged skewer makes it even better.

Also, extra damage against armored enemies on special.

Delicious in a world where benefits package is a (censorship)

And yes

with (censorship), I meant "pain to deal with"

[cunning urchin]

I think the anti-armor hammer for spear can use a buff.

[dry ember]

Breaching skewer already does +400% I think

[cunning urchin]

@carmine rivet I only found out about that here, too.

[dry ember]

How would you go about changing it

[turbid arch]

All hammers that give extra damage against armored enemies should also allow you to smashe shields into pieces.

[dry ember]

That would be the day lol

But that overlaps with piecing

[turbid arch]

The only thing I have against my own suggestion there is that this would cause another precedent for shields being allowed to stay in the game as they are

which I am not okay with

A lot of times, piercing and armor shredding go hand in hand I think.

It certainly does for bow and rail

[dry ember]

If anti armor can ignore shield

Why would you need piercing?

[turbid arch]

Percing still makes attacks that would disperse after hitting an enemy

well

pierce through them, hitting multiple foes.

[cunning urchin]

@raw violet can you add the best runs for the other aspects to your list, too? Most weapons have only one aspect listed.

[turbid arch]

I can see that my dream about an announcement ended up not coming true thus far.

A tragedy.

[cunning urchin]

Imagine my disappointment when I woke up, saw a ping, and it wasn't for an announcement that Bruiser Snakestones have been deleted out of existence.

[weak moat]

I think most weapons only have one aspect listed because only one aspect has been recorded thus far

[carmine rivet]

snakestones have kinda wonk hp in general imo

[cunning urchin]

Possibly, but there's still some "highest heat" for the other aspects somewhere.

[weak moat]

his cutoff point is 40 heat, so those would probably fall away

since the aim of the list is not only highest heat, but high heat in general

[cunning urchin]

Arbitrary cut-off, though. Might as well add the highest ones that are below that.

[weak moat]

not sure if it's terribly interesting to learn that the highest heat for something like Hades Spear or Zagreus Shield is 32, somewhere out there

[dry ember]

I'm sad that 32 now is not "high" heat

[cunning urchin]

I think that would be interesting.

32 is still high for most people.

[weak moat]

not to mention there'd be a lot more videos to sift through

the 40 is also a nice way to making the work easier

[cunning urchin]

That's why I'm asking Krashercorr to do it.

I'm not suggesting I do it myself.

Imagine having to sift through videos myself. Geez.

[weak moat]

he's also established that 40 is his arbitrary cut off point

[dry ember]

Be the change you want to see in the world.

[cunning urchin]

That's why I made the spreadsheets I've made, yes.

[dry ember]

True.

[cunning urchin]

@weak moat what boons did you try with Hades Aspect?

[weak moat]

I tried pretty much everything on the attack

I didn't do dio or ares though

[cunning urchin]

Oh yeah, those sound bad on it.

[maiden tree]

Does anyone have a good strategy for getting Winter Harvest from Demeter? Last one I need for her prophecy(also being the last before Blood Price) and I just cannot get it to pop.

[weak moat]

every single time I was doing way too little damage, even with arty/aphro

tartarus was pretty okay

[earnest ravine]

Are you grabbing both pre-requisite boons?

[cunning urchin]

You need both Arctic Blast and Killing Freeze for Winter Harvest.

[maiden tree]

You just need a chill boon right?

oh, well that splains it

[weak moat]

when enemies get a little chunkier that's when the cracks start to show

[cunning urchin]

Need 1 core boon or Snow Burst from her (Crystal Beam won't count) for Killing Freeze and Winter Harvest to be offered. Fill your other core boon slots, too, with boons from any god. So that she doesn't offer you her core boons so often. Core boons take priority in the boon offer selection.

I want to try Hades Aspect on 40. I think that's very doable. Beyond that, though, I don't know.

[weak moat]

I'd be curious to see it

[cunning urchin]

Well, probably 40~42 are very doable.

[weak moat]

unlike how it sounds, I want it to be viable as is

unfortunately I'd want to see it demonstrated

I've put a fair bit of work into it and it's pretty rough

lemme know how it goes

[sand cape]

i love demeters legendary specially when a boss drop to 10% hp

"freeze to death!"

[dry ember]

Tfw you got scolded by grandma

Get it? S"cold"ed?

[mighty ermine]

@weak moat almost got past T+A on 43 with hades aspect last night, died to TD while it was just theseus in his second phase lol

divine dash does indeed work very well with spin dashes for the buff

but even with that buff being up at almost all times, the damage feels very lacking unless you've got a strong duo or synergy, which is just sad

like you were saying, non-GY spears are so... you know

[weak moat]

yeah that's one thing I noticed about the spear

damage is really low

I remember watching one fellow try to get through 32 heat using a general attack spear (this was some months ago) and he was talking about how the damage is just too low

which ideally the hades spin solves

but the spin feels pretty bad to use - unless you've unlocked some secret technique

which I guess would be athena dash lol

[mighty ermine]

it's pretty much just using mini spins and having athena dash cover for timings that are a little off yeah

having good damage output even with the buff having like at least 70-80% uptime is hard, and seems like one of the biggest obstacles here

not keeping that buff up being hard, but having good damage at all despite it being up, i mean

it's really just sad to experience

[weak moat]

ikr

[turbid arch]

Since I have played with the controler, I find the spear special EVER SO SLIGHTLY less trashy than before

[weak moat]

but yeah if you clear it lemme know - if you have video I'd be curious to watch

[turbid arch]

so you could make a case for charge attacking, then following up with special spam.

Another cute thing you could do now that did not work before would be going for hades charge attack

then follow it up with serrated edge dash attack spam

That should tear your enemies a new one.

Put something like athena attack on it and you should also get a decent amount of deflects too

[mighty ermine]

for sure @weak moat, i could even upload that attempt at some point later for reference for things despite losing at T+A. but if i get a 40+ clear at all it'll def go up

[weak moat]

cool

it'd better not be a hunting blades victory lol

[mighty ermine]

lol yeah i thought about that kind of thing too, def not gonna weasel my way out of actually using the aspect

[weak moat]

although if it were a hunting blades victory

that'd be pretty troll

[mighty ermine]

and getting chaos cast+ blessings along the way just to fully neglect spear's identity entirely

[weak moat]

the best way to play hades spear is not to play hades spear

really good meme

[mighty ermine]

the saddest truth out there

[sand cape]

using the sping is just to hard

[turbid arch]

Thing is that even if it were a Hunting Blades Run

Why not Achilles?

[mighty ermine]

that's the joke

[cunning urchin]

Fully Loaded + Hunting Blades.

[neon fiber]

there are six weapons in hades: sword, no, shield, bow, fists and gun

[turbid arch]

What about the Bow?

[sand cape]

i feel that if fists special didnt lock you out of dashing so long it would be wait better

[weak moat]

definitely six weapons

sword, guan yu, shield, bow, fists, gun

[neon fiber]

i never use the bow so i forgot it existed

[turbid arch]

There are six weapons in the game.

Bow, Bow, Bow, Bow, Bow and the Bow that fires faster than most bows.

[weak moat]

melee bow, low-health bow, bow that blocks, bow bow, fast melee bow, and fast range bow

[cunning urchin]

@sand cape Dash-Upper lets you dash-cancel right away if you haven't used all your dashes.

[neon fiber]

sharp bow, useless bow, round flat bow, bow, close ranged dual bows and g u n

[dry ember]

Gun bow

[weak moat]

I love me some ancient greek firearms

[sand cape]

oh yes such a masterpiece of greek engineering

[dry ember]

Oh not sure if you saw my message from yesterday

[mighty ermine]

loved seeing exagryph come up for the first time in the noclip docu series, just basically "we wanted to do this and there are no rules that say we can't do it, so we did it"

[dry ember]

But there are some nutty interactions between Aphro call and Theseus Asterius fight

[neon fiber]

i see your greek firearm and i raise you greek warship
which according to poseidon's dialogue is a thing™️

[cunning urchin]

Nobody reads your messages. You're just a yellow dog.

[dry ember]

Ik you do <3

[cunning urchin]

I'd rather watch cat videos.

[weak moat]

cat videos are the best

[neon fiber]

i always assume that's just a dog walking over a keyboard and getting lucky with what it types

[weak moat]

cuz we don't have to interact directly with the cats

[dry ember]

My whole life I wanted a dog. My parents said our house was too small for one. I left for college, they get a dog a week later.

Seems fair.

[weak moat]

that's a legitimate sad

[turbid arch]

Wow.

[neon fiber]

so you became the dog

it all makes sense now

[turbid arch]

I feel like I have nothing to say about that that would not been considered unsensitive and unkind by most in here.

[cunning urchin]

Charming Theseus definitely needs to be talked about more. I think that's gonna be very important for high heat runs.

[neon fiber]

also a human takes a lot of space foxhope, now that you left there's enough room for an animal

[cunning urchin]

That will solve like all of the issues with TD2 in Elysium.

If what the dog said is true, that Theseus kills Asterius in like 3 attacks.

[turbid arch]

I feel like one of the true possible solutions to all possible TD related problems

would be a chaos egg run

[weak moat]

sounds like it would be a bit of a scramble

[turbid arch]

With fated persuasions and good gameplay, you can probably make a somewhat competent 40 to 46 chaos themed run work.

[neon fiber]

i wouldn't trust their words, dogs can't play videogames

[weak moat]

it definitely wouldn't be over easy

but the egg might just crack the problem

[dry ember]

Dog can post vids tbough

I have recording of that run

[turbid arch]

Assume that you would meet Chaos 4 times throughout the first 3 biomes

[weak moat]

why is no one laughing at my egg puns

[neon fiber]

because they're bad

[cunning urchin]

@weak moat did you say something?

[weak moat]

impossible

[turbid arch]

With maxed out fated persuasions, its possible.

[dry ember]

No one commented on my scolded pun either

This server smh

[turbid arch]

@weak moat I am german, we have no sense of humor.

[mighty ermine]

i dunno, i think light of ixion forcing gates in general is more of a gamechanger than the egg potentially increasing rarity or negating the meager health cost to enter

[weak moat]

idk though, an egg run dozen't really appeal to me

[dry ember]

I'm concerned of being forced to a bad chaos curse though

[turbid arch]

It depends on the weapon.

Nyan seems to make most fist runs work as long as she cheats Athena Dash into her existance.

[neon fiber]

doesn’t*

[turbid arch]

Chaos dropping some attack and/or dash attack extras on top of that

or HP gains

could end up doing nicely for her.

As an example.

[dry ember]

Duwang u German too?

[cunning urchin]

Divine Strike does a lot better for me than Divine Dash, actually.

On average.

[weak moat]

dozen't

I didn't stutter

[neon fiber]

perhaps

except not really

[dry ember]

How do you clear JS rooms with Divine Strike?

[weak moat]

press and hold the attack button

[turbid arch]

Depends. What is a JS room?

[dry ember]

Yuri room

[weak moat]

and ideally you start frothing at the mouth

[dry ember]

Per your own language

[turbid arch]

Honestly, clearing rooms in terms of time has not been a problem up until Tartarus for me with the fists.

[cunning urchin]

I'm still not sure if I want all Chaos Gates or want to avoid all Chaos Gates with RI4.

[turbid arch]

*up until Elysium

Thats a good point.

[weak moat]

we can solve all of our problems by taking shackles into elysium

[turbid arch]

I feel like if you want to make Chaos work, RI0 and AP0-1 would be a necessity

Otherwise, it would be relying on RNG too much

[dry ember]

That's what I meant, TD bottleneck is particularly pronounced in Elysium with Divine Fist

[mighty ermine]

we would all clear 57 immediately right now if we would just use the shackles in elysium

[cunning urchin]

Right. But specifically for RI4 runs, Chaos Gates can be extremely helpful.

[weak moat]

what @mighty ermine said

[cunning urchin]

Any big HP buff from Master Chaos is huge when you have 50 HP and no DDs.

[dry ember]

Do you even have health to enter?

[turbid arch]

I do not know if I would be willing to do RI4

[weak moat]

the 101st percent of our brain power is literally hard locked behind taking shackles into elysium

[dry ember]

RI4 means no SD or DD

[mighty ermine]

exactly

[dry ember]

You get out of chaos gate with 24hp

The enemies look at you wrong and you will be right back at home.

[cunning urchin]

I have health to enter, yeah. 8 heat from RI4 lets me avoid some other problems. I've tried Cosmic Egg, too, though.

[sand cape]

i wish the cosmic egg would also increase the likelihood of chaos gates

it sucks to take it and not see one gate

[weak moat]

that is the suck

[dry ember]

Not to sound too uptight but you are not mistaking RI3 and RI4 right?

Not a jab, honest question

[mighty ermine]

yeah, it's definitely why light of ixion is a more tangible way to have a more chaos-centric run, unfortunately

[cunning urchin]

I'm not mistaking it, no.

[dry ember]

Ok.

[carmine rivet]

@sand cape i finished a run this morning where that happened. took the egg through tartarus, no gate. first room in Asphodel after i swapped the egg, there's a gate.

i just walked past it. i couldn't

[mighty ermine]

the disrespect

[dry ember]

Troll city

[sand cape]

i always take chaos gates but mostly because i havent finish the profecy and i have the hope i get to fish

[dry ember]

With RI4 we can use some expertise from the FreshFile% folks actually

[mighty ermine]

praying for the blood price update to tweak chaos fish rates

[cunning urchin]

Eh, a fresh file is nothing like 40 heat, honestly.

I'll probably have some more cracks at that this week.

[dry ember]

God speed.

[carmine rivet]

i really wish fishing rates were higher

[cunning urchin]

Greatest Reflex or bust.

You should try fighting MM power couple with RI4, Hard Labor, etc.

And no Greatest Reflex.

With Malphon.

[dry ember]

You and I both Yuki

[cunning urchin]

I think all my best RI4 runs have been with Breaching Cross.

[dry ember]

Oh I know there is a reason why I tried pact options without MM and BP

Equip Acorn and Skelly for bossfights

Basically you just need to play normal rooms perfectly

And not die on boss fights

[mighty ermine]

i love how ridiculous breaching cross' modifier is. SGG please don't nerf

[dry ember]

Lol yes

Almost auto pick for me

[carmine rivet]

there's no greater disappointment than fishing once in mid tartarus, excited to get a shot at asphodel fish because you keep getting fish at room 1 and room 12 so it skips over asphodel -
and then only getting to fish again in Styx

[mighty ermine]

deletes all armor instantly and especially bruisers which is great

[stoic thicket]

Styx fish are kinda the best though.

[sand cape]

twin fists with zeus attack and support fire is quite satifying

[mighty ermine]

for sure

[carmine rivet]

oh don't get me wrong, styx fish are very good. but i have only ever caught a slavug once

[dry ember]

Just stop getting perfect catch smh

[sand cape]

here is a fishing trick, the ball will only fake you three times at most

[carmine rivet]

Support fire is such an amazing boon for malphon and exagryph

[sand cape]

that means if it fake you 3 times the next one is the fish for sure

[mighty ermine]

you ever think about how many times you have to catch each different chaos fish to complete their codex entries

[carmine rivet]

i see pretty color, i hit catch, what can i say

twice each i believe?

[mighty ermine]

oh really? good

[carmine rivet]

but yeah, considering chaos fish chance, it's so hard

[sand cape]

i havent even seen a fishing point there yet

[mighty ermine]

yeah, still not easy exactly

[carmine rivet]

at least for the Voidskate (legendary) it said 1 more needed after I got one

only chaos fish i've gotten though

[sand cape]

they aer so rare

[mighty ermine]

i've only caught one chaos fish ever and it was a voidskate as well

[neon fiber]

yeah, chaos feesh are ridiculously rare to find

[errant narwhal]

Is it just me or do asphodel fish feel almost as rare

[carmine rivet]

i wish it was more common to fish in chaos. like they put in a decent amount of work to have Chaos themself comment on Zag's fishing skill. it should get played more

[cunning urchin]

Asphodel is short.

[neon fiber]

No, but they’re kinda hard to spot with all the lava sometimes

[errant narwhal]

I almost never get them or when I do I miss them bc asphodel is so big

It’s hard to hear the ding

[carmine rivet]

alma i feel so hard, i almost never get asphodel fish. i keep getting fish in room 12 before the furies fight and then it never spawns another fish in asphodel

[sand cape]

asphodel issue is that they can be hard to see

maybe you miss them

[mighty ermine]

my personal problem is not being able to complete the entries for common fish because i can't get non-perfect catches ever

[cunning urchin]

I honestly ignore fish spots lately unless they're right next to me.

[carmine rivet]

the fishing delay of 10 rooms needs to be lowered when asphodel is so short

[errant narwhal]

Tfw I still need 1 slavug but I’m too good at fishing....

[mighty ermine]

exactly though lol

[errant narwhal]

I want those codex entries!

[carmine rivet]

when Zag says "just a gupp" but like buddy we needed that to finish its codex this is great

[mighty ermine]

zag i'm so proud of you and me for suppressing our gamer reaction time

[neon fiber]

just wait a second after the perfect catch bit 4head

[cunning urchin]

A second is too much.

[carmine rivet]

full second is a miss

catch is between 0.34 sec and 1 sec

[errant narwhal]

fishing....

[neon fiber]

Exactly
They didn’t want to get a legendary fish and missing the catch means they won’t get one
problem solved

no need to thank me i’m just doing my job

[carmine rivet]

when legendary fish is nice because materials but you need that codex filled out

[mighty ermine]

the most hard earned diamond/ambrosia/blood you will ever receive

earned through sheer luck

[neon fiber]

Aye
And that’s if you ever get to earn it at all

[sand cape]

oh boy, i got artemis legendary

[errant narwhal]

I already got a voidskate, now I want CODEX

nice!!

[sand cape]

bad news it is just artemis call, good news is i have exit wounds

artemis cast*

[neon fiber]

Isn’t that good?

Artemis cast lodges right?

[sand cape]

yeah but with 7 blizzard shots or 7 hunting blades it would be easy cake

[neon fiber]

Also gratz on the fully loaded, that thing is rare

[sand cape]

not as rare as athenas legendary tho

[neon fiber]

yeah
some day i’m probably going to devote some runs to getting either

They’re the only leggy boons i’m missing alongside aphrodite but i rarely go for aphrodite

[carmine rivet]

is 5% chance on perfect catch for legendary fish and 5% chance on good catch for rare fish accurate? I know i'm looking at it in the game code but it feels so much higher on each. got a friend who felt the same way that's playing it on steam

[carmine forge]

anyone have tips for the middle management gorgon head elite fight in asphodel?

I don't feel like I have a lot of opportunities to really lay in damage what with the gorgon head teleporting around constantly and the rock thing hunting me down

[turbid arch]

Hit them very very hard.

Don't get hit.

Stay out of the lava.

[carmine forge]

should I invest in crit and armor piercing before the fight?

[turbid arch]

The lava is actually magma

[carmine rivet]

armor pierce is good in general

[carmine forge]

😔

i think i ignore armor pierce too much

I think I should def invest in armor pierce when i have middle management on

[turbid arch]

Armor Piercing Boons would be among the best in the game

if more bosses than Lernie would have armor

[carmine rivet]

yeah, if you're turning on pact conditions so more enemies get armor you should definitely get some armor piercing

[raw violet]

@cunning urchin what do you mean? Are there other aspects that have been done?

[cunning urchin]

No idea. I just want to see the highest heat for every aspect.

[raw violet]

Those are the highest heat of every aspect that I’m aware of

[mighty ermine]

@carmine rivet a lot of us heavily suspect the 5% for legendary on perfect catch is just wrong, yeah. it's definitely higher

[raw violet]

With a cutoff at 40

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, I'd like to see all the highest clears whether they're 40+ or no.

[carmine rivet]

i remember when i first got back in and fishing was a new thing to me, my first three tartarus catches were scyllascions in a row

[raw violet]

Which I initially made so that every weapon could be included

[turbid arch]

I can see it in my head now.

Nobody

Absolutely nobody

Nyaanyaa Mewmew: I WANNA KNOW WHAT THE HIGHEST HEAT CLEAR WITH ZAGREUS ASPECT IS!

I actually want to know that now.

Zagreus Aspect Spear Clear.

I bet there is someone out there who did 40+ with it

[cunning urchin]

Hey, I can hold more records if I know the other ones.

[raw violet]

You’d have to play other weapons to do that

[cunning urchin]

In Hades Aspect attempt news, Speeder + Bruiser Witches in a narrow room is definitely the worst Tartarus room I've experienced yet.

[raw violet]

Pewpewpewpewpewpewpew

[cunning urchin]

Just a constant barrage of projectiles from one direction.

[turbid arch]

How would the same room without BP have been?

[cunning urchin]

Free.

[turbid arch]

I rest my case.

[cunning urchin]

Hypnos said to shoot them first.

Brb gonna try that.

[raw violet]

Not a great case. If BP was free it’d be a pointless pact

[turbid arch]

Han Solo approves.

So are you trying to tell me that you are BPs defender?

[raw violet]

Anyway, to answer the actually question, I may consider adding lower heats if I come across lesser used aspects but I’d rather not bloat it

If you don’t see an aspect then no ones recorded it

[weak moat]

you can be the first

get us that 40 heat zag shield

[raw violet]

what i'd like to see is for the twin fists to not lag behind all the other weapons so much

[turbid arch]

I did 120 heat back in the day with regular shield.

As far as I know, that is as high as I need to go with the regular shield

I actually thought that the portrayal of Hades being obscured is intentional.

A small "screw you" hades gives his dad in his own house.

[stoic thicket]

I have not yet seen that picture for sale, do you need both of the ludicrously expensive upgrades for the west hall?

[turbid arch]

I do not know.

THERE IS AN ANNOUNCEMENT!

GUYS NOTICE ME THERE IS AN ANNOUNCEMENT

[raw violet]

beta boys

new category on high heat list

[turbid arch]

FORK

I do not have Hades on Steam

😦

@undone bone Can I copy my safefiles from my Epic Game Store Game to Steam?

[undone bone]

Your save data should transfer automatically -- you shouldn't have to do anything.

[turbid arch]

BRB gonna buy a Paysafe Card.

Can't believe I'm buying a game twice for the first time of my life.

[raw violet]

honestly, worth

[umbral lagoon]

pooooooog betaaaaaaa

grading final exams could really use a distraction

[mighty ermine]

@weak moat hades aspect 40 heat done. the run was an absolute rollercoaster

went far past TD for T+A, went on to perfect clear dad

[weak moat]

ohh hot

we'll add it to the list

get that video up

[mighty ermine]

yee

[raw violet]

ping me when vid is up, you sexy boi

[sudden dagger]

ooooh, soon gang tm

Also,.... how would you get 101 obol from a regular styx room instead of 100?

[stoic thicket]

Oh god there's so much stuff to get now from the contractor.

I'll be gem-poor again.

[mighty ermine]

whew

[weak moat]

btw if anyone unlocks aspects in the beta share with the class

[pastel jolt]

@mighty ermine #beta-discussion-june20 , not here.

[mighty ermine]

ah, sorry

[cunning urchin]

I think the game just threw every iteration of Speeder Witches and Speeder Splitters at me in my last 4-or-so Hades Aspect attempts, and I did not like one of them.

@mighty ermine oh you've cleared it? I was getting all the bad RNG for you, so you could get the good RNG. Congrats!

[dry ember]

Homing Witches eat half my health bar

In less than 1s

[mighty ermine]

hey thanks!! yeah it was certainly a wild ride

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, I can imagine. I've been beating my head at it for the last 2 hours, I think lol.

[sudden dagger]

I came pretty close to clearing once before on heat 2 with the shield, but couldn't then. I guess I have to wait for the Chaos +40 rarity boon to get a broken-enough build 😛 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/717151251330105347/719974593489535136/Hades_00047.png

[dry ember]

Nice!

That is such a neat build too

[stoic thicket]

A pom or two on the Special wouldn't have hurt but yeah... heroic main damage source, two duos and a legendary is pretty dope.

[sudden dagger]

It was a hugely fun build 🙂

[turbid needle]

Sweet merciful Neptune, I love Thunder Flourish on Chaos

[sudden dagger]

@stoic thicket I never seem to choose poms, but I think I figured out why

[turbid needle]

thunder flourish on chjaos is my jam yess

[sudden dagger]

Subconsciously, with boons you get exciting rare/epic/heroic/legendary/duo colorful backgrounds, but with poms you just get a +1 lvl graphic so I thought they were not as good

also boons are 150 in the store, while poms are 100, and even +25hp is valued higher than that

so I thought poms weren't good

@turbid needle @turbid needle honestly I don't think I've gotten very far with anything besides thunder flourish :p

[stoic thicket]

Poms are a good thing, usually getting at least one or two on the primary source of damage is a good idea. After that you kinda run into diminishing returns.

For comparison, a common level Ares attack with two poms deals more damage than an epic level Ares attack without a pom.

[pastel jolt]

@raw violet #beta-discussion-june20, not here.

[raw violet]

got it, I was debating where it belonged

[sudden dagger]

@stoic thicket That is a great way to think about it. I can try prioritizing poms initially until I have 2 or 3 on the main damage source, and see how that changes runs

[turbid needle]

Boons typically see their big returns stop at level 2 or 3.

[stoic thicket]

Yup. If you want to see how that stuff scales, Haelian I think had a run where he managed to upgrade a single boon to like level 30. Barely did anything to the damage after the first few poms.

[sudden dagger]

wow

[sand cape]

having to clear 4 encounters with only specials in the rail because chaos decide to give me the legendary but cant use attacks

[mighty ermine]

@weak moat @raw violet full hades aspect run is now posted in #self-promotion

[weak moat]

nice

just in time for it to be out dated LUL

[mighty ermine]

i know ugh

[dry ember]

Lol I'm not doing high heated runs until official updates

Good luck fellas

[sly sonnet]

I am still only at like 10 heat

since I don't play the game too much

But is there any reason

why you take the regenerating cast

on high heat ?

[turbid needle]

Don't have to chase Bloodstones.

[sly sonnet]

Oh thats it I guess

[turbid needle]

Hermes also offers an alternate Legendary, and his alternate to Quick Reload is massively powerful on its own.

[sly sonnet]

Might watch that video later

to study it a bit

if I have time

I suck with the spear

Only spear I can use is guan yu

[turbid needle]

Stygian Soul, Slicing Shot, look for Hunting Blades and additional Casts (Chaos, Artemis), Aspect of Achilles.

Raging Rush, then throw your two extremely OP Hunting Blades and then run around waiting until they spawn back, rinse and repeat.

Or if you've got 4+ you can just immediately RR and get more Blades on the field.

[sly sonnet]

Ooh

I like hunting blades builds

so imma try that when I get the chance

[turbid needle]

+150% damage at maximum level.

[sly sonnet]

Sounds nice

[turbid needle]

It's hard to use, and I suggest staying away from Chain Skewer (makes it so you have to wait to use Raging Rush and get the damage bonus), but it's nutty powerful.

[buoyant junco]

I've tried doing the 32 heat run so many times

I think I'll just give it up because I'm not having a lot of fun anymore

but just in case what would you recommend is a better setup?

https://imgur.com/4XCRZTu

I've tried so many variations

[main osprey]

Hard Labor and Calisthenics Program don't make it a lot harder imo, so you could probably raise those and drop others?

[buoyant junco]

ok 😄

I'm done then

[cunning urchin]

Get Benefits Package up, drop Lasting Consequences and Convenience Fee down.

[buoyant junco]

I almost always run out of time with benefits package

[cunning urchin]

Oh.

[buoyant junco]

because of the armor perk

[cunning urchin]

Damage Control to 0 if you're using Varatha.

[buoyant junco]

I don't think it really matters... I usually die before I even defeat the hydra

last time I had hard labor at 100% and got to hades he took like 50% of health with a single hit

[cunning urchin]

Are you using Guan Yu?

[buoyant junco]

I tried the chaos shield most

[dry ember]

https://imgur.com/fTKca0w

This is my setup for 32 GY

[buoyant junco]

50% was probably exaggeration but it was a lot.. I think like 70 damage or so?

not sure

I don't think I can do anything other than CS

[earnest ravine]

if you put one level of BP on, you could reduce tight deadline to 9 minutes and make it easier to breathe?

[buoyant junco]

i get hit all the time

end up in lava

etc.

[dry ember]

I think you can cheese 32 GY heat by resetting till you get Charged Skewer and Deadly Flourish

[cunning urchin]

For Varatha I would go:
Hard Labor 3
Lasting Consequences 1
Convenience Fee 1
Extreme Measures 3
Benefits Package 2
Middle Management 1
Underworld Customs 1
Forced Overtime 2
Approval Process 1
Tight Deadline 2

[dry ember]

Also do you need to do it with a certain weapon?

I find spear to be the hardest

Easiest is probably Rail

[cunning urchin]

Hades's spin does 80 damage with Hard Labor 2.

[buoyant junco]

nah I just wanted to do it once at least 😄

[cunning urchin]

I don't think the Rail is the easiest.

[buoyant junco]

I don't have the patience for the reload tbh

[main osprey]

Delta Chamber :3

[buoyant junco]

anyaway thanks I'll try some of these suggestions I guess

[main osprey]

o7

[dry ember]

Gl! It's a hard quest

[still ocean]

Delta Chamber :3
@main osprey with explosive ammo, it's loads of fun

[dry ember]

DChamber is fun but seems unneeded on something like Hestia

And especially Zag

[main osprey]

loads

but never reloads

@still ocean

[still ocean]

lmao i didn't thought of this while writing

[main osprey]

either way it was the perfect setup :D

[buoyant junco]

ouch..

is it possible to get offered the same deal twice? https://imgur.com/Gg15PNq

[main osprey]

you gotta wait a bit longer to copy the link

hmm

imgur does that sometimes

try resending the link

[buoyant junco]

https://imgur.com/Gg15PNq

[main osprey]

eh, I'll jsut check it out

[buoyant junco]

🤷‍♂️

[main osprey]

loading loading loading

hmm, what do you mean by the same deal twice?

[buoyant junco]

the one that was rejected by the heat penalty

not sure what it's called

but basically if I could be offered curse of agony again in a different room?

[main osprey]

those look like 3 different boons to me

oh

you could, yeah

[buoyant junco]

oh ok nice

thanks

[main osprey]

o7

[buoyant junco]

once again I got beat by the timer because I got 2 armor rooms

[dry ember]

I'm sorry :(

[buoyant junco]

nah it's ok

[naive tusk]

Foxy!

[buoyant junco]

it's much better with these adjustments I think

[naive tusk]

And a Lobster?

Heyo!

[main osprey]

And a Swan!

:3

[naive tusk]

Yes!

How are you guys? 😄

[main osprey]

Good :D Finally starting to catch up on sleep lol

got 10 hours last night

[carmine rivet]

ah, Heart has returned

[main osprey]

❤️ 🍑

[buoyant junco]

Yes it is I! A lobster.

[main osprey]

🦞 🙋

[buoyant junco]

Anyone got the bug where you fish while standing on lava, lose controls, take damage until you lose deaths defiance, regain controls?

because I can't move now and I think I have to suicide in lava

[main osprey]

nope, though I did wonder what would happen if I tried to fish on lava

[dry ember]

🍑

You feedback came true Peach

[main osprey]

🦊 🙏

[buoyant junco]

I can dash and attack - i can even direct the dash but not move

guess that's another run done

||||

[dry ember]

Whew

You should F10 that

[main osprey]

gasp the update finished!

[buoyant junco]

I F10ed that couple months ago

[main osprey]

goodbye, #h1-discussion . Hello #beta-discussion-june20

:3

[naive tusk]

You feedback came true Peach
@dry ember What feedback? 😮

[buoyant junco]

I am very intimate with this bug

[naive tusk]

It seems the Swan also turned a traitor

[main osprey]

:3

[naive tusk]

Also, you dared fish on the magma? You mad lobster!

[main osprey]

maybe they're a chrustacean

;)

[naive tusk]

Ah, oki! You should have DM'd me that XD

[dry ember]

Oh sorry at least I masked it lol

I'll stop xD

[naive tusk]

As a general reminder, please do not post anything regarding the beta in here, even in spoiler tags

It's ok! You didn't have a bad intention

Don't tell flower girl but you are my favorite doggo around here

[dry ember]

I tried your Duster only run

Died in styx

[naive tusk]

No way!

OMG but the fact that you tried just makes my heart go 💗

In fact, it shouldn't be necessarily a 32 heat run. A Tight Deadline 2 only will suffice

What is that? 5 heat?

[dry ember]

Yeah without Acorn I'm just murdered by the cow and the frat boy

TD2 is 5 heat yes

[naive tusk]

Tight Deadline 2 + Harpy Feather Duster + Companion Fidi in every biome challenge then~

You can turn up the heat if you want but TD2 is a must 🔥

[dry ember]

Yeah. I got duster since the beginning

[naive tusk]

OMG

[dry ember]

Had to take Lightning Strike on sword lol

[naive tusk]

Edited to add Fidi in there because Dusa needs more love

[dry ember]

Made it p far. I'm happy

I don't even know what Fidi does

[naive tusk]

OMG you've never used Fidi D:

It summons Dusa to aid you in battle! She fires projectiles like the gorgonheads that can petrify!

Best of all, she cheers you on during the battle and gives moral support 😄

[lament perch]

Dusa is best

[naive tusk]

Susan?

[lament perch]

Stupid autocorrect lol

I meant Dusa obv

[dry ember]

Too late Dusa is now Susan

It's your doing

[naive tusk]

._.

[lament perch]

I think technically it's Voxel's doing (yes I named my phone and it's name is Voxel)

[dry ember]

Kids and their sentient smartphones nowadays smh

[carmine rivet]

the phones are too smart

[dry ember]

But in my days we didn't even have Hades to play

And we didn't like it

[sly sonnet]

Okay

I want to try out rerolling boons

I see a lot of people using it now

[naive tusk]

Woah, I know people named their guitars but their phones? That's some love you have there

Try Fated Persuasion out! It's awesome for rerolling Chaos/Hermes boons

I see there was a massive migration from here to the beta channels

It sure feels a bit silent. Where's everyone?

[dry ember]

In game most likely

All the usual folks here are in game

Except for me, at work (technically)

[naive tusk]

No, Foxy, they are TRAITORS!

They will feel my WRATH!

Just kidding, I love you all

Speaking of, are you also part of the treason beta testing, Foxy?

[cunning urchin]

Don't tell flower girl but you are my favorite doggo around here

[lament coral]

I'm tempted to dive into the beta but don't wanna bork my save

[sudden dagger]

you gotta make dem backups yo

[lament coral]

it was a big enough pain in the tuchus to recover from crashes

[smoky oasis]

I had 5+ runs at styx wiped cuz of crash

made me wanna throw up sometimes

tbh I think it's better to just wait for official update

if u play beta too much you will get bored

[lament coral]

I wish Steam had separate cloud storage for individual branches

[sudden dagger]

Just did em2 for the first time

Usually once you beat the hydra you can relax, but no

Somehow I was standing in lava at the end and lost a DD after he was beaten :p

[dry ember]

Oh no xD

Happen to the best of us

[cunning urchin]

No, it doesn't.

[dry ember]

I seriously doubt it

https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/520688402958516254/719808691666288721

@cunning urchin had to scroll up way to far to find it but worth it

[cunning urchin]

It didn't happen after Lernie.

[naive tusk]

(I'm chuckling hard right now)

[dry ember]

It's OK I'll stop using your own words against you.

zing

[naive tusk]

Please don't

[dry ember]

of course I won't lol. Her comments are a gold mine

[cunning urchin]

I stand by what I said.

[true pilot]

So, I'll be skipping the beta and wait for actual patch, but first impressions for it are yay or nay?

[sudden dagger]

Lol

[untold vortex]

Pretty positive from what I can see so far

[odd sentinel]

Haven't experienced every bit of new content yet, but overall I'd say 'yay' for a first impression

[sudden dagger]

@true pilot It's been a lot slower on my computer, but I've heard others say it's faster on theirs

[true pilot]

That's tight.

Also, good to know. :3

[carmine rivet]

clutch, i feel that. finished a run with 2 hp before and wow it was stressful

[sudden dagger]

Also feels like you beat the system in a way

[naive tusk]

Lightning Phalanx 🛡️ 💛 ⚡

[sudden dagger]

Second clear in a row with it!

[naive tusk]

I want to reiterate that anything beta-related shouldn't be posted outside the beta channels.

[dry ember]

I'll guess I'll halt high heat attempts until things are a bit more stable.

Back to the good old days when I don't have to agonize over pact options and builds and dash strike and timer ...

[naive tusk]

"This is fine."

[dry ember]

I hate changes :"> so "This is indeed fine."

[sudden dagger]

Sorry y'all, I should have realized I was taking boons that didn't exist before

[naive tusk]

I advice that you don't post any screenshots at all if you are not playing the v0.27191 of the game, just to be sure.

You never know what might slip...

[magic dagger]

You never know what might slip...
It might even be zag. I've had that happen a few times
It's awfully embarrassing after vanquishing the final boss in single combat

"PEEL"

[drowsy path]

Ooouu guys this game is so so so so so amazing, i did 1 run with zeus shield, All boons EPIC + 3 DUALS + 2 LEGENDARY and was so amazingg hahaha

[dry ember]

First hit is free brother

RNGesus giveth RNGesus taketh.

[drowsy path]

I wishing a Rerun mechanic pls T_T

[magic dagger]

RNGesus doesn't bother you unless you need a good boon to start a good run, or 2sack to finish it

[dry ember]

Like Victory Lap feature?

[drowsy path]

Yep :3

Loop the runs with all items

[odd sentinel]

I'd be down for that

[drowsy path]

How can i do some suggestion about that¿ ^^

Would be really funny 🙂

[dry ember]

Currently you can't