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#h1-builds-and-combat
raw violet
cunning urchin
Ah. I see what you're saying. Because Drunken Flourish requires Trippy Shot for the Legendary, but Frost Flourish does none of the sort, you can instead go for Blizzard Shot.
raw violet
i mean, my main point is that the special numbers in isolation is a really good starting point
amazing really
but things get complicated as you add in other boons
that's not even considering how different weapons work in terms of dps
cunning urchin
Well, I've never said that's all I'm looking at.
cursive wing
which one should I unlock first, guan yu or arthur?
raw violet
but you never don't really expound on what makes them even better
livid dew
you should do guan yu so you can appreciate the health bonus of king arthur more
dry ember
you should do Excalibur so you can appreciate the smoothness of GY special more
livid dew
then somehow get the healing sword boon from the hammer on your first run with arthur sword to laugh at guan yu and his stick
raw violet
can you get arthur before guan yu, even?
livid dew
i have no idea
dry ember
No
livid dew
they both are pretty cool weapons
dry ember
P sure you need GY first
raw violet
yeah, you need to unlock guan yu first
dry ember
Hi Peach
raw violet
according to greg
naive tusk
Hi 
livid dew
gaun yu spear is the only spear i really use anymore. but i still switch between posedion sword and king arthur sword
naive tusk
https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/521035166471159828/687028512326156288
In case anyone is wondering ๐
hushed ledge
Poseidon sword is one of my favourite aspects because it completely changes how you play the weapon almost, but is still a simple change
dry ember
I like Hera for the same reason
livid dew
im a real big fan of cast builds so before the gloves and the 4th aspects came out all i played was posedion sword and cast bow
now its just cast bow, posedion sword, both 4th aspect weapons, and demeter glove or zagarus glove
raw violet
how come no one seems to like achilles for cast builds?
hushed ledge
I struggle a lot with cast builds
cunning urchin
Hard to say if Frost Flourish + Legendaries etc + Blizzard Shot or Drunken Flourish + Ice Wine + Scintillating Feast + Black Out will get better DPS. I guess Frost Flourish is not a bad choice, after all.
dry ember
With Frost you get slow too
raw violet
well you can get slow with drunken too
dry ember
Which is nice defensively
raw violet
i dunno how different the slow is exactly
livid dew
6000j you need to set an artemtis shrine next to your computer so the queen of cast gods can bless you. had a fun run with cast bow where i got the dio/zeus duo and demeter/dio duo. everything went boom
dry ember
Who is this cast Artemis?
hushed ledge
I play Zag Spear lmao
dry ember
I'm only loyal to crit Arte
raw violet
cast arte is crit arte
livid dew
arte is arte
unfortunatly im not really that loyal i always flip flop between demeter chill builds and arte builds like swine
raw violet
variety is the spice of this game
livid dew
amen
but that still did not stop me from getting demeter legendary 4 runs in a row
bless the ice queen
hushed ledge
Demeter is really weapon dependant for me for her main boons. Obviously the non-slotted boons are really good generally
livid dew
i really enjoy her the most on really slow weapons
cause after the first swing it makes everybody else slow enough that my weapon speed doesnt matter anymore
so king arthur and guan yu
raw violet
does anyone know is scintillating feast insta casts like ice wine?
cunning urchin
No.
cunning urchin
It doesn't change the cast itself, it just changes the Festive Fog.
raw violet
i guess that makes sense based on description
cunning urchin
Yeah.
raw violet
i don't think so, i think they just mean the slow effect if more beneficial to slow weapons
livid dew
yeah ^^
hushed ledge
Ah
livid dew
cause sometimes its easy for you to get hit when you swinging big slow heavy weapons but once everything is slowed you dont really get hurt anymore
then with decay and exploding chill boom everything dies even faster and then with the legendary boon nothing is left in the world
tepid trail
guys does ice wine has a chill effect?
livid dew
yes
raw violet
@dry ember which aspect and boons did you end up getting on your 45 attempt?
cunning urchin
The first swing only applies 1 stack of Chill for -4% speed. That's not much at all.
livid dew
its enough for me
dry ember
Zag Fist with Lightning Strike
raw violet
okay, i was thinking zag too
dry ember
I had a seed that allows rare Lightning Strike first pick even with AP
livid dew
zag fist is pretty sick
dry ember
Had like 6 or 7 attempts with it
Most of them ended in Asphodel
The furthest was chamber 34 on Elysium but I gave up due to TD.
raw violet
yeah, i'm just trying to think of what would be an ideal solo core boon
livid dew
did you use the zeus item? to get lightning strike or was it just the seed you got
civic barn
was it the lava or the ridiculous shoot them up attacks
dry ember
I used Zeus keepsake yeah
raw violet
or do i just attempt runs til i get a super lucky duo that i don't sell
cunning urchin
Ideal solo core boon? Meaning what exactly?
dry ember
For double AP runs
livid dew
for 32 heat runs what keepsakes do you guys use? i usually go 3 god keepsakes during the first 3 levels and i havent got to the 4th level yet.
raw violet
i find maneuvering lava relatively okay on fist unless some wizard just floats over it
raw violet
meaning what single core boon could i hang my hat on to get me through 40+ heats of pain
civic barn
krashercorr, but that's ALL the time :V
cunning urchin
Heartbreak Strike or Heartbreak Flourish.
raw violet
well on heats where I don't take heightened security, it just doesn't matter
yeah, i thought about heartbreak
cunning urchin
Good damage and Weak.
raw violet
probably the most utility
dry ember
Hey M to thee, I used the sequence of God/depends/Acorn/Acorn for most of my successful 32 runs
livid dew
hmmm
raw violet
what weapon are you attempting
some of my 32 runs i opted for myrmidon instead
and by some, i mean just my shield runs
dry ember
Yeah for the depends I run Bracer, Cerberus, or even Shawl
livid dew
i never really used the acorn before ive always done god/god/god/cerebus but highest ive done is 18. ive been trying zag or demeter fist, cast bow, and posedion/arthur sword. nothing has worked so far
raw violet
otherwise acorn
livid dew
been always dying at thesus
civic barn
i think you have quite a bit of leeway with shield in terms of keepsakes
dry ember
Unless you can do boss hitless, which is harder than it sounds
I highly suggest acron for Elysium onward
Maybe spearpoint for Styx
cunning urchin
Cosmic Egg is very nice in Elysium.
hardy epoch
I use the collar for the last world too
dry ember
If you have big trouble with poison or snekstone
raw violet
that's actually a really good idea
cunning urchin
Chthonic Coin Purse is always a good choice anywhere.
civic barn
to dodge rooms?
raw violet
yeah
hushed ledge
Does acorn refresh between zones?
livid dew
yeah sometimes i pick coin purse in the 3rd or 4th slot
dry ember
Yes
raw violet
cosmic egg and force gates to fight TD
civic barn
hm, is it worth the possible chaos in your boons though
dry ember
Hmm smart
hardy epoch
I also used the spear tip once for it and it was good for when you get poisoned because you have time to get to the cure before you start taking poison damage
hushed ledge
Oh cool
cunning urchin
If you have Persuasion, Cosmic Egg gets even better because you can reroll wells for Lights of Ixion or reroll Chaos boons.
raw violet
i mean, you can pick the least worst chaos boon and its usually negligible
dry ember
But I'm scared of the cow 3 shotting me though
raw violet
for 32 heat it's worth taking gates just to skip rooms rather than getting a useful boon
civic barn
well, that is essentially rng, but it does sound like an attractive idea, thanks for the tips
dry ember
I'm upset that I can't test out Personal Liability
raw violet
i think 4 of my runs were just artemis/athena/acorn/acorn
raw violet
just start a hell mode save
raw violet
the time you spent wishing for personal liability, you coulda been done with a hell mode save
dry ember
Are you suggesting that I actually put in work for what I want?
raw violet
just find a complete hell mode save
dry ember
I'd rather complain here ty very much
raw violet
there's gotta be one floating around somewhere
dry ember
Nice one mate
tepid trail
thanks m8
cunning urchin
Congrats!
cunning urchin
Pretty fast for a second clear with Stygius. 
dry ember
Sanic
tepid trail
i tried my best plus i got the ice wine pretty early
hushed ledge
Had a Demeter fists run with epic Athena normals, explosive upper, aphro special, and a 59% chaos special boost by half way through Z2
dry ember
For extra clout points
hushed ledge
And got rolling flurry for second hammer
raw violet
yeah, that's really fast clear times
hushed ledge
Also yeah, that's faster than my PB lmao
dry ember
6000j that build is p good too
I assume you made it out?
Also would it be cool if we have a parry mechanic in the game?
tepid trail
yeah i imagine it would be an aegis hold attack upgrade or smth
but yeah parry in general would be pretty nice
dry ember
Yeah
tepid trail
i totally forgot
dry ember
Basically parrying
livid dew
which weapon would you guys recommend for a 32 heat run where i want to use demeter. i feel the most comfortable using demeter boon so i feel like that will give me the best chance of winnign
dry ember
You can read up the discussion above
But Chaos Shield with Frost Flourish, Artic Blast, Killing Freeze can do well
Might be hard to get all 3
Or even legendary
But very doable though
hushed ledge
yeah I won with that build, got a nice like 25 min time
dry ember
Oh haha
I mean frost Excalibur can work. I won with 18 ish heat with it
So not quite 32
But if you hate shield, maybe?
livid dew
i didnt say a badword though
T-T
pretty much i was gonna say i have used chaos shield to get my first 8 heat win, 16 heat was fist, i just always play sloppy with the shield cause i relay to much on the defense powers of the shield. ill probably give excalibur and chaos shield until one of them works
dry ember
Improvise
Adapt
Overcome
naive tusk
I'm sorry about that @livid dew ๐ฆ
livid dew
i think its cause i wrote a word that had a badword in it but the word itself wasnt bad but it triggered the bot
but hey now i know
cunning urchin
No evil word goes unpunished.
dry ember
Then how are you still here?
neon fiber
You forgot
Give all worldly posessions to Dusa
again
dry ember
Dusa has my 15 Ambrosia
untold vortex
yeah, bot sometimes flags false positives
cunning urchin
I have never said a word that was evil, blackguard.
dry ember
You called people peasants yesterday smh.
As for Dusa, she gets to keep my Ambrosia
She is still drunk somewhere
cunning urchin
โ Do homework.
๐ต Try new Malphon strategy.
hushed ledge
I have basically an exam week but it's assignments so I'm gonna have to not play for a week ๐ฆ
dry ember
Do homework. Since you can at least succeed.
Imagine still being in school. laugh in recently graduated
dry ember
Jk aside, good luck. Summer is almost here.
dry ember
Yeah almost as in another 8 months
cunning urchin
Do homework. Since you can at least succeed.
I have straight As, thank you very much. One run won't hurt.
hushed ledge
here letter grades don't matter it's all about doing better than the other people in the subject
cunning urchin
(or two if I die fast 
)
dry ember
Good luck to you both. I need sleep...
hushed ledge
gn
neon fiber
Nyaaa no
This is the kind of attitude that ends in you playing all evening
Trust me i speak of experience
dry ember
You too Duwang, whatever you are up to with Dusa
dry ember
Why do you have to quote DD as I'm heading to bed
neon fiber
I am up to nothing but giving dusa what she deserves
dry ember
Now I want to talk about that smh
hushed ledge
go to sleep!
hushed ledge
you're really enjoying blade it seems lol
hushed ledge
i need to play more blade now that my multiyear burnout of it is gone
livid dew
sword is a good weapon
but it isnt mightier then the pen * goes back to doing homework*
hushed ledge
The pen and calculator is the mightiest weapon
turbid arch
Looking back, it has been around 3 months of Nighty Night Update now.
untold vortex
time has really flown by
turbid arch
I do not know about that.
To me, it actually felt like a very long time.
I am partly to blame for that myself.
I just wish we would have had a little bit more communication in the meantime and/or at least a small patch somewhere in between.
Leaving obvious trouble makers like Benefits Package or Tight Deadline to the side, I would have loved to at least see Poseidons Aid fixed at some point in between.
On the other hand, I do understand how a certain virus would make development a bit harder
on the other hand, this patch was already scheduled to take this long, so I do not know how to feel about that.
earnest ravine
Three months between patches feels pretty normal, really. Long Winter hit early January, with Nighty Night in March.
They did some hot fixes and small content patches in the weeks following the Nighty Night launch, but anythnig major, lingering/hard to fix bugs, or large balance changes usually are reserved for the three month cycle, far as I can tell.
turbid arch
There never was a real 3 month cycle since I started playing the game.
It always has been more along the lines of two months.
earnest ravine
January to March is 3 months, ain't it? 1 to 3?
livid dew
i just kinda want to know what this update will be about or if we should be expecting it late june or mid june
untold vortex
yeah, especially for a small dev team like SGG they can't really afford to have to have a portion of the team always working on bug fixes/balancing
turbid arch
See thats the point: If the development cycle for this update takes or took longer, which again, they knew, they should have at least communicated better about it.
Looking at Youtube, a lot of the bigger channels dropped the game, I feel like the popularity of a game took a pretty huge hit in momentum over the lengthy development cycle for this one.
livid dew
yeah majority of my friends stopped playing the game cause they were used to monthly updates
they will probably hope back on with this update
hop*
turbid arch
I expect them to as well
But that "hop-back" ratio is affected by the frequency of updates and news as well.
untold vortex
I don't think they nessesarily knew it would take longer, there's a whole lot of unforseen circumstances that occured in the past couple of months
turbid arch
They did.
It was one of the first things I asked when there was no countdown timer for the next update.
It is apparently taking longer because of support for consoles or something else I did not care that much about personally but made sense in the grand scheme of things.
livid dew
and not gonna lie i havent been playing it as much as i used to like during the month by month updates i used to play it multiple times a week unless i was busy with school work or other games but the long wait kinda made me stop playing it for a month and then when it hit lay may early june i was like oh yeah theupdate is coming back lets grind some more titan blood and attempt 32 heat
turbid arch
Exactly!
These days, we have most of the content creators, the bigger ones, having dropped the game
the smaller once feeling a need to do exceedingly ridiculous high heated runs to keep their viewers engaged as the viewers too are losing interest.
I do not know if that is a healthy balance to be in right now.
And, my personal pet-peeve
I can't believe that they made me suffer through benefits package and tight deadline for three months now!
Unforgivable!
(Honestly, these two pact options have heavily diminished my enjoyment for this particular update)
livid dew
hades does have a nice perk compared to the other 3 SGG and thats being a rouge-lite allowing a larger amount of replayability. so even though people do take monthly breaks they will usually come back and keep replaying either to beat the game at higher heats or to unlock some new stuff. hence why games like risk of rain, dead cells, and binding of issac do so well. like i dont imagine people replaying bastion and transistor that often unless they want to enjoy the story another time, pyre i can understand cause that game had some nice character interaction.
i understand the reasoning for vague deadlines like just naming a month or a season like summer or winter from gaming studios especially indie studios. but i do feel like the vagueness does deter some people away
turbid arch
Again:
The vagueness here is not the (only) problem.
The lack of communication in between is.
What do we know about the current update?
It may or may not come in June. Charons gonna get a fancy hat. Hades is gonna be extra nasty with EM4. Something something consoles.
Now they have never been big on spoiling too much before an update hits, but at least while we have such a long cycle for a change, maybe one semi-big community post that gives some explanation on what to expect, what to look forward to would have been nice.
That community post could have just been the sentence "We are looking at benefits package and how to rebalance it." and that would have already been enough for me! But that is my unadulterated hatred for that pact speaking here.
The other thing is that the games M_To_The_Three mentioned are already fully developed for the most part.
Hades is still in Early Access, with a lot of people still waiting for the actual release of the game.
livid dew
Yeah those are all fair points. My issue with this update is that I dont know what to expect. Are all we getting is bug fixes, fixing issues, and charon getting a hat. Or because it's been two months can we expect a lot more. Like new boons or gods or weapon aspects
earnest ravine
They did mention new boons at one point, but I can't remember WHICH dev said it or I'd link the mention of it.
As well as a Charon Well rework?
turbid arch
That would be another thing.
earnest ravine
it was a while ago
turbid arch
Mentioning things in here is nice and cute
but they have to make such informations a bit more publicly available and noticable.
untold vortex
honestly, looking back at the announcements channel, the amount of communication for patches has been consistently a post ~7 days before the patch drops, with the technical beta also being a thing according announcements not sure when they will announce that
turbid arch
Putting regular updates into #announcements for example for better vicibility
@untold vortex I am aware, but again, that was for 2 month patch cycles
while a visible and comprehensable and detailed roadmap was available in game.
earnest ravine
Yeah, thanks, I appreciate it!
untold vortex
no worries ^_^
turbid arch
I doublechecked the roadmap ingame right now.
For the most part, it is more of a summary that says what already has been done.
The things that are on the to do list is what I already mentioned earlier, multiplatform stuff and other technical mumbo jumbo
And of course, the rumored story ending
which is supposed to come in 1.0
of which we do not know if that will be the next update or not (I kinda doubt it but we do not know)
earnest ravine
But like... I don't know, I think I'm generally much more willing to accept longer development time as a rule, since every 2 months for all the stuff we were getting already seemed absurd. Considering that they're focusing on reworknig the engine entirely on top of giving us more content, as well as everything else going on IRL? If it only took 2 months to get going I'd wonder what wizard they'd have a contract with.
turbid arch
Again: The long wait time is not the only problem. Lack of communication is
earnest ravine
I can understand the sudden lack of communicatino compare to previous patches bing difficult, but there's only so many times they can say "we're making new enemies, boons, items, and reworking the engine" if that's what the patch is focused on without it being reptitive.
turbid arch
That is arguable.
Especially in a game as huge as this one, they have so many small and big things they could tell or tease.
Look at the last update for example, we knew that a new weapon would be coming. They were very secretive about it, but they easily could have droped hints about it that would have told us something and nothing at the same time.
Like "Demeter is known to have used this weapon!"
We know Demeter, we know how she looks and behaves
nobody would have guessed that she would be a titan-slapping monk
but it would have kept people guessing and intruiged
untold vortex
I don't know what exactly you're expecting tbh
Exactly silvaria, it's been less than a week since the last post in #announcements which effectively says they're on track for the next update
turbid arch
That is still 10 to 11 weeks without anything.
earnest ravine
They could have, but that's not how these updates have gone as far as I can tell from previous patch history. There's nothing abnormal about how they've handled their patch schedule beyond the longer wait which they addressed when it had the potential to maybe impact development time.
turbid arch
And that announcement did nothing aside from reconfirming the vague timeframe we already knew.
untold vortex
that kind of stuff requires time put into it, and to be frank it's time taken away from development
turbid arch
Spending a couple minutes every few days/weeks for a couple tweets and/or a community post is hardly a waste of development time.
earnest ravine
In fact, you specifically ASKED as to why the development time was so long in the ask supergiant back in March.
untold vortex
at this point I think you are being a little impatient, which is entirely understandable
earnest ravine
To which they answered and gave you a reason directly.
turbid arch
Being impatient is one problem.
Losing interest another. And it is not only my own problem.
Yeah, but if I would not have asked, I never would have known.
Was it in the QnA?
It might have been.
earnest ravine
Yeah.
earnest ravine
It'll happen even with games people enjoy playing if they're playing the same thing throughout the year for long periods of tiime. Content and energy ebbs and flows.
turbid arch
I agree.
But that is what communication is for.
QnA is a nice other point.
They could have done one more of those in between.
Though THAT would have been more time intensive than writing a community post.
earnest ravine
New updates won't change that. I had to take a break before the Nighty Night update even was a week out because I was exhausted due to other stuff, and I imagine people who have been playing EA for longer would need to take a break and slow down whether or not the update was sooner.
If you're not interested in playing the game until an update happens, that's fine. That's NORMAL, even. But they're doing exactly what they said they would do back in March, and gave us the normal amount of info and warning.
turbid arch
But that is the point:
There is no particular reason to handle it like this.
We live in a day and age where attention spans are short and information and communication are everything.
Especially when you go into a cycle knowing it will take longer than previously, you come up with some kind of background plan to keep the channels open and keep the attention tense.
And there are multiple ways in which that can be done, most of which being fairly low effort.
I am not telling to rush the product. I am telling to improve communications.
And, again, I want to remind you that the information flow this time around has been not what it was for previous cycles.
In previous cycles, we always knew what we could wait/hope for.
They were very open about the pact of punishment rework before it happened, the fourth biome, new gods, new weapons and the likes., we knew about these things, could read up about them everytime we open the roadmap.
RIght now, we have a longer development cycle with less information.
It is the very counterthesis to what previous updates have been.
earnest ravine
I'm looking directly at the roadmap right now, and at their June update preview. While yes, it IS mainly "techniucal mumbo jumbo" as you put it, they mention it is not going to be the biggest CONTENT update due to it being so focused on the stuff under the hood, plus mentioning the new boons, items, Well of Charon rework, and weapon aspects.
It might not be important infromation to you, and you might not CARE that it's so tech heavy, but it is what it is.
There's also a tech beta that's slated to launch ahead of it, so when that launches, that's your next Big Thing they're teasing. It's obviously not ready yet, but acting as if they've told us nothing is a bit of a stretch.
untold vortex
not to mention any teases into reveals have always taken place a week before the update came out, so tbh I think you're reading too much into things and are being impatient so enough of this conversation as it's been going round in circles for far too long now
kindred bolt
what does god's chosen do in the mirror?
turbid arch
If you hover over it somewhere,it should tell you so.
Isn't Gods Chosen the one that makes gods, poms and hammers more likely to appear?
kindred bolt
it has a picture in it, i don't know what that means
turbid arch
I can't doublecheck right now
kindred bolt
ya its that one with increases gods poms hammers
earnest ravine
It makes the rooms that can reward them more likely to appear during an escape attempt, instead of ones that give meta currrency (darkness, gems, keys, nectar).
kindred bolt
oh that actually sounds good
turbid arch
kindred bolt
i get so many resources in an escape
earnest ravine
How effective it actually is at DOING that is in question, though. It's not super noticeable whenever I've ran it? But it can be helpful.
RNG is RNG, etc.
turbid arch
@earnest ravine Is that how it works? I always thought it would just make Centaur Hearts and money rewards less likely to appear in comparison to the rest of the gold laundrel rewards.
kindred bolt
ill give it a shot and see what i get, thanks
earnest ravine
If that's the case than I need to lodge a complaint with the 5 centaur heart rooms I got with it active for the prophecy
But if that IS the intended function, then heck, that might be good to have clarified more.
turbid arch
I am sure that ingame, it says that it increases the chance for poms, gods and hammers
but on the wiki, it says it increases the chance for GL reward rooms in general
earnest ravine
It it says "increases chance for gold laurel rooms", but with a picture of the gold laurel room instead of the words.
kindred bolt
i rarely use any of the new mirror upgrades except stygian soul with non cast builds
earnest ravine
Er. the icon i mean
earnest ravine
The one that heal for darkness, instead of per room, is really handy, as a personal preference!
turbid arch
So the tooltip says that it increases the chance for (gold laundrel symbol) rewards
but then after that, in brackets, it only claims Gods, hammers and poms
earnest ravine
Yeah. The wording is oddly clunky.
turbid arch
If it really does give a higher chance for gold laundrel rooms over blue ones
I will never go back to the other option.
floral maple
ok game, you can stop giving me elite chariots with the speed buff now
jokes not funny anymore
turbid arch
Do they have extra damage too?
Or extra HP/Armor?
Oooooh, maybe it's telepooorting!
Imagine a spear hero actually sitting on a chariot, thrusting away with his spear at you at it's usual huge range and lightning speed while the chariot rushes you down and bites you to death
floral maple
i got the tiny elite chariots with speed and teleporting
pull up my shield to block them, they teleport behind me
"ใๅใฏใใๆญปใใงใใใ"
my death defiances evaporate
turbid arch
Benefits Package is fun
tribal python
just went into Erebus, got chariots with teleportation
are these tears from the onion? we'll never know
floral maple
onions are the most literal representation of adding insult to injury
turbid arch
Markiplier used to describe my feelings about situations such as those pretty nicely once.
"I'm having fun, fun, Fun, FUN, FUUUUUUUUNNNNNN!"
pure mountain
I'm not sure where to put this so I'm going to put it here, but I can't seem to give meg anymore nectar, it shows that she has a heart left, but I can't, anyone know why?
turbid needle
just went into Erebus, got chariots with teleportation
@tribal python Ever got Elysium's Exalted with high speed? A nightmare
I'm not sure where to put this so I'm going to put it here, but I can't seem to give meg anymore nectar, it shows that she has a heart left, but I can't, anyone know why?
@pure mountain After some nectars and conversations, you need ||to give Ambrosia||
pure mountain
I don't think I'm at that point yet, since it still shows that she needs hearts
Or would it still require ambrosia and I'm just being an idiot?
turbid arch
There should be an event happening before you can give her the good stuff.
I will not spoil it for you, but I can tell that it took quite a long while for me on my current safe file
turbid needle
Yeah. I don't really remember what, but that's why i talked about the conversations
pure mountain
Oh alright, thanks!
floral maple
8 elite snakestones with slugger and teleportation on 32 heat, never lost health this fast
turbid arch
At least it was fast.
Imagine if they would have bruiser instead of teleportation.
Then it would have been fast and inevitible.
I can see people do not like my idea of having spear heroes being allowed to mount chariots.
I wonder why.
earnest ravine
Spear hitboxes are wonky as is, the very idea is terrifying.
turbid needle
8 elite snakestones with slugger and teleportation on 32 heat, never lost health this fast
@floral maple Good lord
RNG is way more cruel than Hades himself when it's about BP
shrewd brook
Is it possible to get Exit Wounds if I use Slicing Shot with Stygian Soul?
turbid arch
nay
shrewd brook
Is it possible to get Exit Wounds if I use Stygian Soul then?
turbid arch
yay
shrewd brook
So Artemis legendary is impossible with Ares cast, right?
turbid arch
nay
untold vortex
yes and no
shrewd brook
Oh, so starting with Artemis cast and then praying to Lootcifer for a perfect storm? Exit Wounds>Slicing Shot replacer>Legendary?
turbid arch
Well you also need Dual Shot
shrewd brook
So it is technically possible to get Artemis legendary with Slicing Shot and Stygian Soul
untold vortex
it is possible, just hard to pull off in an actual run
shrewd brook
Oh I know. Just spitballing. I wanna get lucky with Hera aspect Hunting Blades run
untold vortex
if you want to go for a build like that, you'd be better off going for cast related chaos boons over arti legendary
imo at least
your mileage may vary
shrewd brook
But... por que no los dos?
untold vortex
if you want, then go nuts ^_^
shrewd brook
We're talking about perfect run, let this guy dream a bit
untold vortex
I ain't gonna stop ya
in that case it would be an awesome build, just because I like spamming slicing shot a tonne 
true pilot
You'd basically need perfect RNG.
You need to find 4 Artemis at minimum before Ares. At which point, you need the replacement, which is rare, at least one more of either for Hunting Blades, and ideally at least 2, but ideally 3 more Ares for the rift-relevant boons and legendary.
that's 6 boons minimum, 8-9 to actually give Blade Rift damage, between two gods out of a pool of 8 for when gods are picked. You also want to pick Poms for the cast, and you have to account for Hammers and Hermes taking up those rooms. You can do away with Hearts if you want to live dangerously, but you'd want gold in case you can knock out Hermes, Hamers, or more Artemis/Ares from shops.
It is technically a possible build, it's not terribly "bulkier" than Scintillating-Ice-Wine with bells and whistles, but the Dio break is far more modular and can scale in different directions, the only requirement is Dio first to get the fog and then either Zeus or Demeter can scale it with different boons. Scint+Jolted with no Demeter still works. Ice+Chill Explosion also still works, Jolted + Cold Fusion + Winter Harvest? OP as hell, but you don't need to get there.
The current spread requires Artemis and Ares at the expense of all other gods in a very specific order. Also, Fully Loaded has higher rarity, meaning you can't get it in Tartarus even if you're lucky to stack Artemis there, which cuts into the amount of rooms you have to get the Ares components even more.
turbid arch
You are probably better off hunting extra casts off chaos.
shrewd brook
Seems pretty rough. I guess Grandaddy Chaos would be a better option.
Also since Hera bow reduces Stygian Soul cd to 1 second, those 4 extra bloodstones wouldn't really be needed
gentle oasis
I have been farming for this build with Hera's aspect on Coronacht: Poseidon's boon for attack, razor shoals, Static Discharge, Zeus/Poseidon duo boon, Poseidon on cast, Poseidon/Demeter Duo Boon, Killing Freeze, Rapid Fire hammer, Bouncing Shot hammer. And....
I finally got it! DPS is out of this world without even using the cast.
shrewd brook
Another Hera build I've been thinking about: Aphro cast, Ares attack, their Duo, Weak duration increase. And then just some support mostly from Ares, Urge to kill, Doom stacking (and Ares special) and increased Doom damage for slower activation
gentle oasis
I've got Ares on the special with aphro on the attack before and their duo boon. You just spray out doom and tag them with the attack before it goes off
shrewd brook
Maybe some PP from Artemis
gentle oasis
That was before I unlocked Hera's aspect
shrewd brook
Hm, that could work really well on Chiron aspect
Then again, Chiron aspect has the highest build diversity out of all Bow aspects
gentle oasis
I was partial to Dionysus for Chiron
Putting a bunch of stacks on them at once felt real good
But Demeter would probably be even better. I've almost exclusively used Hera's aspect for the bow since I maxed it out
shrewd brook
Any special works for Chiron. I did Poseidon run once, really fun to push Douche and his Bull around even if wallslams don't do any damage to bosses
cunning urchin
At which point, you need the replacement, which is rare,
It's much more reliable to sacrifice True Shot in order to be offered Slicing Shot at that point, especially when you have other Core slots filled.
shrewd brook
By sacrifice, you mean sell?
untold vortex
Yep
errant narwhal
i was looking for duos for the prophecy and forgot to take another keepsake for styx, did NOT expect to win this lol. crystal clarity is so good
only missing cold fusion for the prophecy now :>
neon fiber
yeah, crystal clarity makes demeter's cast go from meh to amazing
shrewd brook
Really? That 10% increase doesn't seem that impactful
stoic thicket
Wait, Hera bow does what with Stygian Soul?
shrewd brook
Hera bow reduces Stygian Souls cooldown from 3 to 1 second
stoic thicket
Btw, it's not the 10% increase, it's the improved tracking that matters. Demeter Cast is notoriously slow.
floral maple
https://imgur.com/a/E5BBV8s babyยดs first 32 heat clear
shrewd brook
Noticed this accidentally lol. Grabbed hermes boon and he offered me Quick Reload and it showed 1 second to 0.87 and I was like "da hell"?
pliant palm
Athena special, bleh
floral maple
my first 32 heat win, so im pretty proud
shrewd brook
On Chaos aspect Athena's special is pretty decent. With so many shields flying around you can get some nice deflections
floral maple
it was pretty easy for me once i figured out which parts of the pact worked for me
stoic thicket
I just tried it with the Hera bow and that's certainly more than 1s cooldown.
floral maple
taking full jury summons led to some runs dying early
shrewd brook
Btw, why is 32 heat a sweet spot for everyone?
floral maple
final skelly reward
shrewd brook
Oh
pliant palm
floral maple
thats a sick build
pliant palm
Yeah lol
floral maple
i struggled with finding good boons since the rarity increasing mirror upgrades got locked off by routine inspection
floral maple
look at my clear time xD
floral maple
thats fair
stoic thicket
Same.
floral maple
yeah, i play with 40% FO
pliant palm
Once I get really used to it, will switch to 40% FO
Well, I already use 40% FO on rail and shield
tepid trail
just want to share this run, first time using arthur aspect https://imgur.com/gR0Ary3
pliant palm
Ice wine OP
floral maple
sees ice wine this is a winning build
neon fiber
ice wine 2 stronk
tepid trail
waay too op
pliant palm
I managed to lose with Ice wine once...
raw violet
TD is such a big heat sink that it's a worthwhile tradeoff for not being forced to take a bunch of other things
wicked wyvern
whats ice wine
shrewd brook
I'm still trying to figure out an easy 20 heat combo that's doable even for a timmy no thumbs like me
tepid trail
its ice wine
wicked wyvern
im guessing dio
raw violet
your finish time might improve just by not having to take calisthenics
wicked wyvern
but through what
tepid trail
dio + demeter cast duo
pliant palm
Demeter + dio cast
tepid trail
just get dio's cast first then get the duo from either dio or demeter
pliant palm
It just modifies it
wicked wyvern
alrighty
pliant palm
Doesn't change your cast slot
wicked wyvern
good cause I love dio lob
pliant palm
Ice wine + scintillating feast = GG EZ
cunning urchin
errant narwhal
it does change how it works a bit
cunning urchin
I don't want to sacrifice any of these.
pliant palm
oof, thats an awful choice
tepid trail
ah
raw violet
call
pliant palm
Call, I guess ?
dry ember
The Aid had to go
tepid trail
call
raw violet
ez choice
floral maple
id say replace call
dry ember
Check
floral maple
not much of a choice
shrewd brook
Raise
dry ember
All in
pliant palm
I mean, not much of a choice, sure, but the call is really good
shrewd brook
Fold :/
stoic thicket
Dio's call is awesome but yeah, that has to go.
The other two are way more important.
errant narwhal
hopefully youll get it again, or better, whatever you choose
floral maple
does anybody else here dislike poseidon call?
cunning urchin
Hmmm. The DPS from that Call is crazy good.
stoic thicket
Yup, not a fan. Poseidon, Ares and Aphrodite are all kinda meh to me.
floral maple
im not doubting the effectiveness of it
raw violet
from poseidon (DPS)?
floral maple
it just feels bad to use
cunning urchin
No, talking about Epic Dionysus' Aid.
floral maple
oh fair
raw violet
okay, cause i was gonna say i must be using it very wrong
floral maple
it prolly feels better to use on controller but damn do i not like how it moves
wicked wyvern
bull rushing into spikes in the corner of the map 
cunning urchin
I could go for Arrowhead and replace Heartbreak Flourish with Deadly Flourish. I've nothing to replace Dionysus' Aid with, and AOE is amazing in Elysium.
floral maple
do ppl use heightened security on their 32 heat runs?
cunning urchin
Probably not, I don't have rerolls.
raw violet
i do
pliant palm
Nope, I don't
wicked wyvern
what are rerolls for
stoic thicket
Heightened Security is so hilariously lethal if you screw up once.
pliant palm
Only 1 heat for potentially a lot of damage
floral maple
yeah, thats why i dont take it
i end up burnt to a crisp in asphodel most of the time
styx guillotines
raw violet
@wicked wyvern rerolls are for changing doors or boon/well offerings
pliant palm
A dash into a random arrow in Elysium, the cursed pots in the Hades fight... no thanks
raw violet
pending on which reroll perk you go for
raw violet
just keep playing
wicked wyvern
aw
raw violet
and unlocking stuff
wicked wyvern
damn oh well
floral maple
oh god yeah, the pots count as traps
errant narwhal
mhm! its the last thing in the mirror
errant narwhal
wow, really?
raw violet
yeah https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/508224167498219521/717763477929721866/Hades_damage_urn.png
errant narwhal
new strat, pot damage only for the second phase
raw violet
i just did a run where the killing blow was a pot
dry ember
guys how do you play the lyre?
Just interact with it a couple of times, do runs, then you will be able to talk to Orpheus, rinse and repeat a couple of times
wicked wyvern
well dont lie to em
pot isnt too bad, it can just become a habit or addiction like anything else
but even thats arguable
dry ember
Basically just interact with the thing a bunch, or 'practice' per in game wording.
shrewd brook
"Couple of times" he says. Afaik it's 210 interactions total
tepid trail
pot can even turn to brownies
pliant palm
Felt way lower than 210 tbh
wicked wyvern
magic
errant narwhal
this isnt the right forum for discussing this, guys
wicked wyvern
discussing what
dry ember
Pot, but we can move on
errant narwhal
this is a channel for hades 
wicked wyvern
tepid ridge
How many levels does the lyre have? Iโve started at base, then Zagโs playing has gotten better twice but I still have the play? indicator which still includes a question mark.
dry ember
It will be like that until you learned how to play
stoic thicket
Once you start playing riffs you are essentially done, it can take a bit for Orpheus to offer you the final conversation though.
dry ember
Someone said 210 strokes I think
tepid ridge
I figured that waiting for the final dialogue was probably it. This game certainly isnโt afraid of making you wait for important quest dialogue
stoic thicket
Also probably start strumming a bit more here and there, just to be sure.
neon fiber
yeah, you gotta press E for about 200 times or so
that is, as an expert lyrist might be able to tell you, a lotta times
shrewd brook
I always do 20 strums plus a couple after every run
tepid trail
ah i see
tepid ridge
Itโs not like Iโve been keeping count folks lmao. I usually do like 3-7 between runs
neon fiber
you'll be able to tell when you're progressing when the tune changes
tepid ridge
Yea itโs changed a couple of times, I probably just will run into Orpheus when I run into Orpheus.
errant narwhal
i also did like 5 between runs, but you have to purchase the lyre first
from the contractor
itll be in the section for zag's room
just in case you didnt, kenon
tepid ridge
No one ever talks about it but isnโt it called the โfine/luxurious lyreโ or something in the contractorโs panel? I like that little touch, especially since itโs getting bought with bounty materials iirc.
tepid trail
i did im just kinda wondering how to improve on it
errant narwhal
oh okie just lots of practice then, you arent doing anything wrong
tepid trail
ah alright thanks for the advice
cunning urchin
Not too bad of a build, but no call. https://imgur.com/a/VOF30U8
errant narwhal
you could even do it all at once i think, but i found it more fun and fitting with the narrative to do it between runs
cunning urchin
0 Hermes boons.
dry ember
405 HP though
tepid trail
jesus that hp
dry ember
Probably from nectar
tepid trail
nectar gives you max hp?
errant narwhal
with premium vintage it does
dry ember
With Dionysus boon it can
shrewd brook
With one of Dio boons
tepid trail
ah
cunning urchin
Yeah, that really wasn't doable with 0 extra dashes or anything and no call for DPS.
dry ember
:(
raw violet
that was quick
dry ember
Ikr
cunning urchin
Hammers weren't very good, either.
dry ember
Guess it has been 5 mins
raw violet
true
cunning urchin
I got him to like 50% in phase 2.
raw violet
why mash when you can time it?
shrewd brook
The trick is to not panic dash while the white circle is forming
dry ember
The trick is not to get hit
pliant palm
Is Hermes not affected by the rarity boost from the mirror ?
cunning urchin
He is. But I did not care for that 15% dodge or 20% quick recovery he offered me.
wicked wyvern
ok but cast throw
pliant palm
I feel like I see way more common boons from him than from any other God x) Might be cause of the keepsakes tho
raw violet
i wish there was an easier way to practice that fight
dry ember
Same
cunning urchin
You can't dodge the spin; you can deflect it, though.
raw violet
spin where the big circle shows up first?
cunning urchin
Yes.
cunning urchin
Timestamp?
cunning urchin
That's not dodge. That's i-frames.
raw violet
oh, you mean the hermes dodge
cunning urchin
Yes.
cunning urchin
i-frames essentially always work because there's no hurtbox.
raw violet
i'm not trying to practice my rng
raw violet
i'm trying to practice my timing
raw violet
lol
raw violet
they don't
cunning urchin
The deflect timing for his spin is somehow awfully strict compared to any other attack.
dry ember
I find his skull launch intolerable
cunning urchin
Much like his spin is awfully wide compared to any other spin.
dry ember
It's so unpredictable if he is lunging or skulling
raw violet
yeah, wriste said the spin is the most difficult to dash through
dry ember
And the animation is essentially the same
cunning urchin
If you're in attack range with Malphon and see the spin startup, you either have Drift Dash or Greatest Reflex, time your dash perfectly for i-frames, or you get hit.
raw violet
i wonder if it's like all other aoe attacks there there's something about the hitbox in relation to your position
that makes it difficult
raw violet
you think it'd be easy with the big circle giveaway
dry ember
Yeah non FO2 Hades also throws the timing off
At least you can just dash entirely out of the way
With 2 dashes
raw violet
that's just cause you're used to it
at least it is for me
anything not FO2 is just liable to throw off my muscle memory
cunning urchin
you think it'd be easy with the big circle giveaway
I have excellent reactions, too. Not much help.
dry ember
Do you perfect catch everytime?
cunning urchin
Basically. I do way harder hit confirms in fighting games. 340 msec is zzz-mode easy.
graceful smelt
hm, anyone knows what the "red onion" is
i don't remember getting that as a reward, and yet it's in my codex
cunning urchin
i'm trying to practice my timing
@raw violet you know, I think I'll actually focus on that and take some losses if I have to. That way I won't need to rely so much on Hermes RNG.
You get the Onion for failed Erebus chambers.
dry ember
You can use a load file to practice just the Hades fight
graceful smelt
oooh, thanks nyaanyaa
stoic thicket
Man that was one of the worst runs I've ever won.
And a testament to how strong the Chaos aspect shield is.
I got my first special boon offered in Elysium.
raw violet
@cunning urchin yeah, i've just been noticing that most of my runs get to Hades with either tons of extra dashes or a high enough dps build where I've stopped really having to learn the fight.
cunning urchin
Yeah, exactly. That's a lot harder when he hits harder.
raw violet
or you're subjected to heavy boon rng levels
raw violet
the call also offers i-frames that might have helped too
but what was the alternative? divine dash?
that's a generous set of dash iframes to give up tbh
dry ember
When does the call I frames occur?
raw violet
on activation
dry ember
I could never get it right
raw violet
i can't really tell how big the window is though
dry ember
Athena call has really spoiled me lol
raw violet
same
cunning urchin
I was just about to make fun of you for that. Sad that you corrected it.
dry ember
Hey my phone auto correction is super sensitive for some reason
raw violet
so greedy
cunning urchin
Spin-to-win. The bane of every high heat attempt.
cunning urchin
How do you get him to shoot only the three 3 laser beams in the front? Always seems random when he does that vs in all directions.
raw violet
it was really trying too hard to get into the safe spot for the lasers
it should be phase based
phase 2 part 1 is 3
phase 2 pat 2 is all
i'm pretty sure
magic dagger
yep
errant narwhal
finally, the only prophecy i have left
also, i died in a room with thanatos.... that was a nice detail
raw violet
looks like a 32 run to me
errant narwhal
absolutely not
pliant palm
I had like 10 more to do after finishing that one x)
errant narwhal
if i do it, ill do one or two at a time, haha
but i think ill leave it for now
im not winning much lately even without heat
neon fiber
time to toggle everything on the pact of punishment on at the same time
dry ember
Yeah looks like a 32 run to me
errant narwhal
raw violet
i mistook routine inspection for customs
errant narwhal
i just hope there arent more prophecies im missing right now somehow
raw violet
which is gross
errant narwhal
i think ill wait for the next patch and see which new ones it introduces, and ill leave this one for last
raw violet
i think the only ones that remain locked are story-related currently
turbid arch
NOOOO
raw violet
but i would not be surprised if there were new ones post-patch
turbid arch
I want to believe that the No I truly just screamed at my screen held so much desperate power that it made the JoJo reference immediatly erase its message.
What else could they add to make life in the underworld even more terrible?
One-Man-Taskforce: Zagreus is only allowed to use his own weapon aspects?
That one would actually be pretty nice for bow and rail.
Fists too probably.
turbid arch
I do miss it a lot because I do rely a lot on rerolls.
I also feel cheated out of the diamonds I spend for making keys give rerolls.
dry ember
Yeah for those runs
turbid arch
It is some garbage that they are the only Blue Laundrel reward room that just does not give you an extra benefit anymore.
neon fiber
i felt the same until i realized that it works even if you don't have the reroll upgrade on
so i could ignore the very expensive reroll mirror upgrades for a while to redirect those thousands of darkness into nyx's sidequest without taking too much of a hit on my upgrades
cunning urchin
It doesn't work if you have Routine Inspection on.
turbid arch
I still haven't gotten to the point where I can do that for her on my current safefile.
dry ember
How many save files do you have?
turbid arch
I think he means that he just turned on the pact option even though he could not have all options fully unlocked in the first place
because of giving away darkness for Nox.
dry ember
Don't you have one with like over 700 runs in?
turbid arch
Yeah, but I only use that one for high heated run attempts because of all the darkness there.
dry ember
I see.
turbid arch
I have a somewhat fresh safefile where I only have 50 or so victories on that I use actively at the moment.
dry ember
Got cha
neon fiber
no, i did have them all unlocked
neon fiber
i just reset my mirror because it's really cheap to do to see how much darkness i had in total and to see if i could go without some of those, which i could
dry ember
I convert keys to nectars to Ambrosia to Blood
neon fiber
i slapped my darkness into the ones i rely on the most and then i saw that i had enough darkness to fulfill nyx's request and still have to spare so i did
dry ember
So no keys are used for mirror reset
neon fiber
and the keys i got from chamber rewards still gave me rerolls even if i didn't have the mirror upgrade active because i was lacking the darkness
so all worked out in the end because i rarely reroll stuff
dry ember
@tepid dome Asterius can appear in a mini boss room
So not every run you will see him.
It's either him or the large butterfly ball
As for Theseus and Asterius fight, you can for the most part ignore Theseus, use sound and visual indicator to dodge the spear by dashing or staying behind pillar.
If you don't come near Theseus, he would only spam spear
So that part is predictable
As for fight the cow, try to stay behind him
His swings have an open in the back that you can abuse.
tepid ridge
Also, dodging Asteriusโ charge is a little overly finicky imo (but thatโs a discussion for another day) but I prefer being next to walls and dodging left, right, or through him when he charges. Thatโs probably the hardest part of the fight besides learning what each of Theseusโ calls do
dry ember
You can i frame the charge with dash
And it will effectively stop his charge
He will stand there for 2 ish sec where you can go ham
tepid ridge
Doesnโt that only work with the deflect dash? If you dodge through him normally I thought he just keeps going and does a perfect 180. Either that or you have to perfectly learn his hitbox for that, either way, not really a technique for the OP who was a new player.
tepid dome
thanks for the tips
dry ember
Yeah I framing the charge isn't something you should practice starting oit
I just tend to hug the pillar
Imagine the charge like a flamewheel charge
Dodge around obstacles just like you do flamewheels
tepid dome
can you dash backwards through him when he's bull rushing you?
dry ember
I think so. Haven't tested that hypothesis though.
radiant walrus
maybe I should take it to the discussion channel sorry x-x
dry ember
Np! Sorry I can't answer that question since I have no idea myself...
silver solstice
I've tried and failed a few times to dash through his charge, doesn't mean it's impossible
cunning urchin
Just dash through a pillar, and Asterius will crash into it.
edgy sparrow
Sometimes I have issues with him just skirting around terrain like 5 times in a row and I'm like 
cunning urchin
It's the same as the Flame Wheels. They basically teach you how to deal with his charge attack.
dry ember
That's... what I said
edgy sparrow
smh my head
dry ember
Yeah obv
native ether
can you dash backwards through him when he's bull rushing you?
You can with a well timed Deflect dash I believe.
Minotaur charge is effectively like being a matador and actually bull fighting. Stand as close to a wall or pillar as you can and step aside at the last second to ram him into the wall.
What else could they add to make life in the underworld even more terrible?
Oh that one is easy:
Hell Mode forces Tight Deadline 2 
raw violet
i force TD2 so that would not make a difference, so do a lot of people
forcing routine inspection or approval process on the other hand
dry ember
AP should just show the boons available
Instead of showing the crossed out ones too
To avoid tilting the players
raw violet
yeah but part of the pain is seeing what you miss
dry ember
or they should since salt is good
raw violet
not called Hades for no reason
native ether
You mean you don't enjoy seeing that you missed Ice Wine and Scintillating Feast for the fifth time
raw violet
i mean...other than dad
dry ember
I do like the taunting with the crossed out stuff
cunning urchin
Imagine having to go through 1,117 messages in #hades-feedback since the last patch. Ouch.
dry ember
But fore pure gameplay purposes, crossed out options should not be shown
cunning urchin
I vote we should add 22 more and leave it at that.
dry ember
I mean I'm not submitting feedback for that lol
native ether
Gameplay wise yeah I agree, it's just extra and unnecessary frustration with the modifier, I've mentioned it before.
cunning urchin
AP should just show the boons available
Instead of showing the crossed out ones too
No, actually. Showing all 3 matters for Persuasion.
dry ember
Oh you right
native ether
Why does it matter for Persuasion?
cunning urchin
Because you will get at least 2 new offers with Persuasion. So if something you want is crossed-out, there's a worse chance of getting it after rerolling than if it wasn't any of the 3 options.
neon fiber
speaking of asterius bull rushing you
if you're using a shield you can use your own bull rush to literally go through his without getting harmed
native ether
Ahh I see. I forgot that was how Persuasion worked.
dry ember
What happens when an immovable object meets an unstoppable force?
They go right through each other.
raw violet
you should, like, write a physics textbook
dry ember
Have I told you I'm doing PhD in Hadesology?
cunning urchin
Woops. I got confused by my own sentence somehow. You get at least 1 new offer.
raw violet
that sounds more right
native ether
I would suggest making it only show the one offer with Authority, and showing all 3 on Persuasion, but that's likely extra work for negligible benefit.
dry ember
Yeah ik I complained, but I want to be able to take screenshots and post my salt for missing out on boons here.
raw violet
if I was a developer, i would have no qualms about making players feel bad
about their life choices
cunning urchin
It's not called the Pact of Making-You-Feel-Good.
dry ember
Tbf none of the pacts do that
raw violet
i feel like that deserves a pin
cunning urchin
Thank you, thank you, you're far too kind.
tepid trail
has anyone made a guan yu run successful?
tepid trail
yes cause i keep dying at 3 heat maybe its because i havent maxed out guan yu's aspect
shrewd brook
Also Haelian always uses Guan Yu in his "All weapons" Speedruns
tepid trail
haelian?
silver solstice
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tepid trail
ah
silver solstice
I like Guan Yu and it feels almost OP
shrewd brook
Yeah, Guan Yu is one of those aspects that NEEDS to be maxed
silver solstice
I was able to clear Heat 4 at level 1
might have just gotten lucky with special boons because I was doing like 1100 a throw
dry ember
Hey for GY take Deadly Flourish and Charged Skewer
tepid trail
what boons
dry ember
Use special mostly
tepid trail
special?
silver solstice
It was Artemis critical hit centered and charged skewer
dry ember
You can ignore attack tbh
tepid trail
ah okay
dry ember
Just use it for some healing, your focus should be on the Special
dry ember
Yup
silver solstice
The Guan Yu special is so much better because it's basically a more powerful bow
more responsive bow
dry ember
Charged Skewer and Deadly Flourish can help you get over 1k crit
silver solstice
Yep I was doing that pretty easy
tepid trail
charged skewer is from hammer right?
silver solstice
yes
tepid trail
ah alright thanks for the tips guys
stoic thicket
If you can then also get the Hermes +special speed boon it gets fairly ridiculous.
Guan Yu is a really good aspect.
silver solstice
I thought it was going to be really hard with the low health but the DPS really prevents you from taking damage
I barely used spin and got all the way through using one DD
stoic thicket
DPS and the great range it has. The spin you can mostly ignore.
I tried to build around the spin a few times but never managed to get both spin hammer boons. One or the other but never both.
mighty ermine
i definitely find that a lot of newer GY players will claim that the spin hammers are necessary, but yeah as anassi said, you really can ignore the spin except for cases where you need healing from a big group of enemies
stoic thicket
Get Artemis special, get Charged Skewer, after that it's kinda whatever.
Sure there's things like Athena dash or Hermes special speed that help out but just with those two upgrades you should be good to go.
Maybe something to get Privileged Status going.
mighty ermine
even just hunter dash with serrated edge works because of the huge base damage on GY
greatest reflex makes it even more safe to do
naive tusk
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native ether
Yeah I'm a huge fan of Guan Yu and Serrated Edge
Its a huge area of effect + really high repeated damage
But I also really think Quick Spin or Massive Spin is somewhat necessary to make healing as easy to get as possible.
cause when you do get hit, you generally need to heal, and making that as easy to do as possible is ๐
mighty ermine
it depends on how clean and consistent your GY play is, though. my quick 11 runs with GY don't use any spin hammers and neither did my 32
stoic thicket
Have yet to try it with Serrated Edge. Does the dash-striking work on the special, or are you just stabbing people then?
turbid needle
You just stab
native ether
Nope just staying in melee range
considering I'm a die hard Sword, Rail, and Fists player and I'm trying to put all my blood into maxing those weapons first, my Guan Yu is still on level 1. :p
mighty ermine
it's definitely worth maxing out imo
but that's fair if you favor those other three first
native ether
oh for sure its just I only play with the spear when its my dark thirst option
ive been basically just playing whatever the dark thirst option is except when its the shield because I hate the shield
native ether
The playstyle feels too cheap and easy, it bores me.
stoic thicket
Yeah, the shield isn't very varied in what you're doing, in particular with Chaos aspect, but it's just super reliable for those times when you just need a win.
Plus very good to farm up blood for the rest of the weapons.
mighty ermine
zeus aspect is a little more dynamic at least with the heavy multitasking part of it
native ether
My rail addiction actually came from the fact that I was an original rail champion back when the weapon first launched and everyone thought it was underpowered :p