Gj haha
#h1-builds-and-combat
dry ember
tepid trail
thanks man !
dry ember
You don't even have Death Defiance maxed
stoic thicket
Uh, since everything up there is the red path. Do you know that there are two versions for each mirror talent?
tepid trail
yeah i figured that out
dry ember
Red path is the superior way anyhow
You can go full red
Not so easy doing full green
small stirrup
Isn't it purple?
dry ember
Yeah it's purple
wicked wyvern
im confused by this talk
small stirrup
Also isn't it yellow?
wicked wyvern
f
dry ember
I'm just saying red for consistency
tepid trail
isnt the other thing green?
dry ember
You have access to the mirror right Pineapple?
small stirrup
I'm colorblind so don't trust me lol
stoic thicket
Since the words in the mirror are red I just call it red. Not that I don't run mostly red myself anyway, but a few smidgens of the green in there here and there.
small stirrup
I always just refer to the names
dry ember
First side is purple. Second side is green.
main osprey
Uhh, Fox. The second side is clearly lime
dry ember
Fight me thee Blackguard
wicked wyvern
its neon green without the neon
small stirrup
Please stop you guys are giving me a crisis
dry ember
Ok boomer
small stirrup
Its like with teal and blue-green
main osprey
What kind of colorblindness do you have?
small stirrup
Mostly with yellow and green
remote bluff
ooo didn't know where to post it
main osprey
Does your friend know how to report the bug?
remote bluff
don't think he does
wicked wyvern
macedamian nut
main osprey
in game
dry ember
Probably too late now lol
main osprey
Prolly
remote bluff
haha it's alright
raw violet
i think feedback is good too
remote bluff
told him to do it next time
raw violet
it's all technically feedback
main osprey
Lol fair
dry ember
Now the question is, did he make it out
remote bluff
yes he did
main osprey
Woot woot
dry ember
Nice!
remote bluff
only to Elysium
dry ember
Lol
main osprey
Oh?
main osprey
They are dogs that meow!
dry ember
Smh my head
raw violet
modern day cats were domesticated to be sedentary
neon fiber
cats can and will chase you if they see something they want to chase
raw violet
cause the greeks found them to be too powerful
neon fiber
turns out cats were domesticated flamewheels all along
small stirrup
laughs in egyptian
raw violet
true stories
main osprey
🙀
wicked wyvern
I gotta unlock all the things on the mirror to flip it I suppose
dry ember
Do you?
wicked wyvern
I mean I dont see an option to flip it
wicked wyvern
the gem?
dry ember
No
dry ember
Lol no you flip each option in the mirror
wicked wyvern
yeah but the Abyssal blood is still helpful
add that to your boiling blood and im sure itd be really good
main osprey
You can only have one side active for each row, just so you know
main osprey
You have to unlock that, don't remember when
wicked wyvern
alrighty
dry ember
When you have unlocked all weapons
wicked wyvern
then what
dry ember
You will gain access to Aspects aka weapon "upgrades."
Not upgrades in the strict sense
Just some twist on all weapons
wicked wyvern
Wheres that done? when I pick up the weapon?
main osprey
Or E again, if keyboard
The game will prompt you, so don't worry about missing it
It won't happen immediately, I don't think
raw violet
if you just unlocked all weapons then you may need to do a run before it gives you the option
tepid trail
how do you unlock varatha's last aspect?
fierce oracle
Guys there will be 1366x768 resolution in game?
Should i ask in tech support
and how much it costs in development
dry ember
Is there a reason you are asking?
small stirrup
how do you unlock varatha's last aspect?
You get it while progressing
dry ember
If they move the platform to Switch then I believe more resolution will be available?
fierce oracle
I don't like on playin 1260x720
wicked wyvern
Some people can’t play 1920x1080
fierce oracle
yeah, my monic doesn't support it
small stirrup
I have a decent setup so my games are usually on max
Hades isn't that demanding though
neon fiber
guan yu? you unlock it by uh
i'm not sure actually
i had three aspects on when i unlocked it
you either need a certain amount of unlocked aspects or a certain amount of blood invested into different weapons
wicked wyvern
Sigh are you confusing monitor resolutions with gaming cards?
small stirrup
several people are typing
neon fiber
i'm not sure if we know the exact requirements actually
dry ember
Well @fierce oracle I do hope so. You can still ask in tech support
fierce oracle
k
small stirrup
Sigh are you confusing monitor resolutions with gaming cards?
Nah usually lowering the resolution of a game makes it run much smoother
dry ember
But I don't think people here know more than you do.
main osprey
I unlocked it when I only had a couple other aspects, but that was 2 shield and 1 bow
dry ember
I think what lalmen is asking is that his monitor isn't 1080p
wicked wyvern
He could just be using a small monitor
small stirrup
I know, I got it, sorry ._.
wicked wyvern
I used to have to do 1280x1050 or something like that
I forgot the exact numbers
But graphics cards do impact the resolutions you can set so you weren’t off
@fierce oracle go to set launch options in steam settings for game if you right click and go it’s details
dry ember
Anyhow, gameplay discussion, unless you have more info that you can offer lalmen
wicked wyvern
You can set a required resolution
Look online how to set resolution through launch options on the game
raw violet
are you playing on a laptop?
fierce oracle
no just old pc
main osprey
Maybe move to #h1-tech-support ?
dry ember
There is a fishing spot in St. Patty room
That is completely blocked by the environment
I tried to get a screenshot but fish comes first
dry ember
Still got a perfect catch blind 
neon fiber
there's a fishing spot there
dry ember
Yeah got a ding
small stirrup
gg wp
dry ember
Look for like 20s
neon fiber
huh
dry ember
The bouy is completely blocked
You can see like 50% of the flash of light
Which is funny
neon fiber
if they buoy is blocked then it means you don't have to cover it with your finger
dry ember
Yeah fishing can be in special room, even boss rooms.
dry ember
Yeah tbf only one
neon fiber
i assume you mean learnie because their room is the only one with liquid
and we already know you can't fish on the final boss' room
main osprey
I've found one in Lernie's, yeah
neon fiber
lernie's fishing spot should have a unique legendary
main osprey
Which is St. Patty's?
neon fiber
like a baby hydra or something
dry ember
I'll post a screenshot later
neon fiber
@main osprey ||the boomer doomer||
dry ember
"Working" rn
neon fiber
that's who st patty is
dry ember
Or supposed to be
main osprey
That's...somehow less helpful?
neon fiber
you haven't met ||patroclus?||
main osprey
Ohhh
dry ember
Are you asking who is St. Patty?
main osprey
Him
dry ember
Or?
dry ember
Ok yeah
main osprey
I... I've never heard him called that
dry ember
I can't believe you don't know our Lord and Savior St. Patty
main osprey
Apparently
neon fiber
our lord and saviour the redeemer of runs
main osprey
I mean, it makes sense in retrospect
dry ember
Really, this server jokes about it a lot
Do you have a rock for a roof?
This is blasphemous
neon fiber
truly blasphemous
neon fiber
Such as
main osprey
Uhh. Roofing
small stirrup
roof stuff
neon fiber
Checks out
You’re safe for bow but know that the roof inquisition is always watching
always
main osprey
O-of course!
sterile portal
Out of curiousity, what's everyone's opinions on Excalibur/Aspect of Arthur?
main osprey
Hits hard
main osprey
I escaped on my first try with it, but that was low heat ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
sterile portal
I enjoy it a lot but I'm still on low heat.
dry ember
One shotting enemies to fun
sterile portal
I do feel like it almost does TOO much though. Like, Zag shield has 10% damage reduction. Arthur has increased health, trap disable, projectile slow, 40% damage reduction, etc., etc.
main osprey
Someone brought that up in #hades-feedback a few days ago
dry ember
Really
sterile portal
Yeah that's what I wanted to talk about admittedly 😚
The shield is def undertuned with its bonus but
Does Arthur still feel overtuned at higher heat?
dry ember
Don't think so
So basically a couple of other high heat runners I have talked with think that with FO2 on, Excalibur is really tough
You can take it off, but the alternative is less explored
From my knowledge
cunning urchin
I brought that up in feedback just today, not a few days ago. 
sterile portal
Ah I could see how that causes a nuisance. Does dashing between parts of the attack combo help at all for that or no?
Cause I adore that feature
cunning urchin
Excalibur with FO2 is perfectly fine.
cunning urchin
Not really, no.
dry ember
Max HL doesn't care about your negation
And you will get hit using Excalibur
Also, I read that feedback more of a "buff" shield rather than nerf sword
sterile portal
Fair enough, I suppose it doesn't have the range and healing of Guan Yu
cunning urchin
You'll get hit with every weapon lol. That's no argument.
sterile portal
I do think Zag shield needs more too, yeah
cunning urchin
You can make a cast build with Excalibur and still get all of its perks.
sterile portal
Though I find the flat stats on base aspects to be admittedly pretty boring
dry ember
Hard Labor just means you get to make fewer mistakes
And Hades can potentially one shot you.
sterile portal
My gut reaction is to increase Zag shield to something like 20% and then remove or tone down the Arthur Aspect damage reduction while keeping trap disable/projectile slowdown. If removed make leveling it just give more max health (starting at 10 and increasing etc.)
but
heat 5 is my max right now so 😩
dry ember
Your opinion is valid no matter what heat you are on :D
I don't even use Zag Shield so idk, but number wise, yeah it seem that it can use some love
neon fiber
excalibur is p good for me
once you get used to the slower speed it becomes one of the best aspects
dry ember
At least it's not Zag sword
sterile portal
I'm still mad at ||Skelly|| for Zag sword
solid cairn
I wonder what the 4th shield thing is gonna be
neon fiber
i'm not because you need to invest 5 titan bloods into the sword to unlock Arthur so it was basically killing two birds with one stone
sterile portal
True but that could have gone towards Poseidon or Nemesis
Instead of Not-so-Initial-D
sterile portal
Ah, gotcha
dry ember
You can make a cast build with Excalibur and still get all of its perks.
But we are talking about Excalibur damage which implies cast build is no bueno.
naive tusk
If you are planning on going for a Cast build with Stygius, just pick Poseidon Aspect and leave Arthur to collect more shine lol
sterile portal
It's so shiny. How are Zag's eyes not blinded?
naive tusk
He's a the son of a deity 
dry ember
He's a the son of a deity
But he gets burned by lava while some fishes just don't care
sterile portal
Well yeah, he's not a fish
turbid needle
and/or a lesser deity
@neon fiber There is no such thing as a lesser god - Achilles
😛
dry ember
But lava isn't the ecosystem for fish either
neon fiber
it is for the ones living in river phlegeton
turbid needle
How many times you guys bumped into a Chaos fish? Almost 150 runs and i spotted it only once lol
dry ember
Twice
neon fiber
a hundred and something runs
dry ember
The first one I walk right pass
turbid needle
Yes, i caught the fish as well. Guess the name was Voidskate or something like that
neon fiber
i remember only noticing mine because chaos said something along the lines of "there is a visitor in my realm" or something along the lines of that
dry ember
Projelly for me
neon fiber
chad voidskate fishermen rise up
main osprey
I think I found one on my 57th run?
It was just yesterday
I got the || projelly ||
turbid needle
So, it seems there are THREE different species on Chaos realm
main osprey
Yes
dry ember
What is projelly supposed to be a pun of?
turbid needle
Progeny?
dry ember
Like Charp is obviously Karp
turbid needle
Don't know haha
main osprey
That would make sense
turbid needle
This projelly gives a Titan Blood. Rather interesting, if it wasn't so rare lol
I got an Ambrosia from Voidskate
dry ember
People have been complaining a decent amount for the chaos fish rate
Hopefully it will be increased
One can wish.
turbid needle
And the three fishes have different Ranks as well. Mati being Common, Projelly is Rare and Voidskate a Legendary
sterile portal
Chaos fish give big rewards however
naive tusk
Aw, look at you all, discussing Chaos' fishes, all cute 🥰
turbid needle
Hopefully it will be increased
@dry ember I do hope so. But i guess not that much, since the rewards are much better
sterile portal
They definitely shouldn't appear before you at least beat the game
naive tusk
Why?
true pilot
They should be far more common.
naive tusk
They can actually help people get 1 bounty if they are having trouble beating the game 
In fact, they start being useless the father you progress into the game lol
lament coral
don't you need a bunch of renovation unlocks to get the fishing rod?
naive tusk
I don't need any of the bounties now, but I sure want to finish completing the Codex.
true pilot
Chaos gates are not common, cost health, and the boons can screw you over with their side effects.
naive tusk
I think so, Zepp.
turbid needle
In fact, they start being useless the father you progress into the game lol
@naive tusk It takes quite a while for the bounties to become useless
true pilot
I'd like if they at least removed the restriction of not having seen a fishing spot for 10 chambers.
dry ember
More chaos fish please
true pilot
because as it is, you basically never see them.
lament coral
plus, Chaos fish are so rare, I've only ever gotten 1 since fishing was added, and only when I had the Poseidon fishing boon from the event
naive tusk
Doggo understands my predicament 
turbid needle
plus, Chaos fish are so rare, I've only ever gotten 1 since fishing was added, and only when I had the Poseidon fishing boon from the event
@lament coral Now that you mention it, maybe that's when i got mine as well. Not sure tho
sterile portal
The rewards are either useless early game (before aspects etc.) or very very very powerful (after just unlocking aspects/relationships)
If they were to be more common, they'd have to at least be restricted to a little later on
naive tusk
They won't be common, that's for sure. But the probability is way too low.
turbid needle
Titan Blood is very relevant even after many runs, if you want to stash some of them for next updates haha
sterile portal
I'm talking about before unlocking aspects at all
lament coral
while companions are game changers, the game doesn't do a good enough job of communicating who gives em, what are the benefits and downsides
neon fiber
yeah, i'm stashing all of the blood
trying to keep my reserves above 10 the whole time for the update
yeah, maybe having a starter companion wouldn't be so bad
so the player's already eased into having one
i rarely use mine out of force of habit
naive tusk
I say, let beginners still have the chance to find Chaos' fishes because they won't be seeing them again in a loooooong while
turbid needle
I'm sitting on more than 40 or 50 right now, i was off Hades for a while but then came back for blood grinding lol
lament coral
that's why they added pop up reminders
naive tusk
Don't take that chance away~
dry ember
Fishing is already locked behind the Rod
lament coral
so that people would remember to use the companions
sterile portal
Ah that's a good point
dry ember
So I think that "problem" is already solved.
naive tusk
Yeah, but it's not a problem
sterile portal
Yeah totally forgot about the time I didn't have Rod
lament coral
you'll need 60 blood to unlock all of the remaining 4th aspects
neon fiber
newbies will never see any chaos fishes because they are locked behind the rod, which you won't get for a while
dry ember
Fixed for peach
neon fiber
problem solved
dry ember
That rhymes?
neon fiber
kinda?
naive tusk
How can you be sure it will be 60? 
dry ember
Good enough
neon fiber
because all four aspects use the same amount of blood to upgrade
sterile portal
Current 4th aspects are 15 each
neon fiber
iirc
sterile portal
3rd aspects use 16
turbid needle
I got my first chaos fish like 50 hours in when I was at 14 heat I dont think chaos fishes are an issue lol
naive tusk
Oh, really?
dry ember
I got my first chaos fish like 50 hours in when I was at 14 heat I dont think chaos fishes are an issue lol
Yeah, all these people complaining smh
sterile portal
Yeah 4th are 3/3/3/3/3, 3rd are 2/2/3/4/5
main osprey
I mean, I'm basically the same except lower heat
But I've also been spamming chaos, like seriously spamming it
wide plover
the only time I've seen chaos fish was when I had poseidon's blessing for fish in every room
main osprey
Usually 3 chaos boons per run
sterile portal
We complaining about after the assumed and prayed for rarity increase
turbid needle
I do chaos a lot but they are just so rare
main osprey
I didn't see chaos fish with huge catch xD
neon fiber
I never saw any fishes when i had huge catch, chaos or otherwise
turbid needle
same I didnt see chaos fishes with huge catch either
dry ember
Haven't seen Huge Catch again since...
main osprey
You need a couple Pos boons to get it
wide plover
do you get it from time to time? I thought it was a one time thing
main osprey
Wiki has it (thanks Peach)
dry ember
Yeah you need both the reward boon
main osprey
Though, it's not actually on the list, just in the image
I should fix that
If I ever actually wake up today
turbid needle
what does 👻 👅 mean help
main osprey
Huh
dry ember
I'm spooked
main osprey
That was supposed to be a ghost sticking it's tongue out, according to Google
But Discord converted it into that ghost
turbid needle
oh lmao
main osprey
Can't upload a screenshot, on my phone so imgur is too much hassle
dry ember
Toffle your avatar is a Ghastly
sterile portal
I gotchu: It means buy a Ouiji board to understand ghost tongue
dry ember
You shouldn't be asking those questions
main osprey
True
turbid needle
oh I forgot
main osprey
You should know the answers better than us
turbid needle
true
naive tusk
Oooohh, so apparently there will be a surplus of Blood
dry ember
I thought you will have just enough?
naive tusk
I wonder what I can do with them...
dry ember
Fishing and Styx shop notwithstanding
naive tusk
I have more than 60 for sure 👍
tough grotto
I have like 1
lament coral
I've been selling mine to broker for darkness
main osprey
Blood donation when?
naive tusk
I would if I could, Foxy 
tough grotto
feelsbadman
tough grotto
I get like 3 duo boons and a bunch of stuff and still get my butt handed to me by ||Hades|| am I just bad
neon fiber
Fox is a scrub confirmed
neon fiber
then again i am not one to speak, i lost an impending doom + hunting blades 0 heat run once
main osprey
I've definitely lost with OP builds
turbid needle
sometimes the spinny move just hits u
main osprey
I've also won with some pretty bad builds too though lol
sterile portal
He just hit you and you die
sterile portal
Jokes aside, I'd recommend hunting for Hermes boons and using the Patroclus keepsake if you're struggling
tepid ridge
NO! You can’t lose such an OP run, you know all the patterns and dash timings!
Haha Hades hitboxes go brrrrr
dry ember
Yeah but 100 to 0 is also correct
main osprey
Details
dry ember
Seriously, if you are on DD respawn
You are one to two hit away from Hades killing you with HL5
main osprey
Y'know, someone said that to me, once
dry ember
Just don't get hit
main osprey
Back in Pokemon Pearl
dry ember
Solution to most everything Hades
But not getting hit won't save you from ||Dusa's platonic love||.
Something just isn't meant to be.
naive tusk
She still cheers you on with Fidi 
main osprey
0.o I only just || got her rehired ||
naive tusk
Isn't she the cutest when she does that mid fight?
dry ember
I'm invincible
tough grotto
||wait who the hell is fidi||
dry ember
My heart melts
dry ember
Companion
main osprey
Also I always forget to use the companions lmao
dry ember
From her
naive tusk
You will unlock Companions later on in the game. Don't worry about it 👍
I guess I will be using spoiler tags around meanwhile~
main osprey
Anyway, I'm gonna drop off. Only got 2 hours of sleep last night and want to try to get some more
dry ember
Night
naive tusk
Night 🌙
main osprey
(it's almost midday 😢)
tough grotto
Do I have to beat ||Hades|| once in order to unlock them? Bc I can't give skelly any more Nectar or an Ambrosia
dry ember
Imagine being on a different timzone
neon fiber
gnight
tough grotto
Yeah gn
naive tusk
@tough grotto No. You will need to advance certain characters' relationship bars in order to get Companions.
dry ember
For companion you will need to do quests
main osprey
(it's literally 11 am it's not even night 😢)
tough grotto
huh
neon fiber
at a certain point in a character's relationship you'll unlock specific prophecies for them
tough grotto
Thanks
dry ember
And quest only appears after you talk to them enough, post the initial nectar wave
So just hang on
Haha
main osprey
(okay for real now, bye lol)
dry ember
Git out
neon fiber
further cementing that friendship in hades is built on utilitarianism as people only befriend you as you give them invaluable gifts and do things for them
otherwise they just ignore you
tough grotto
I can't advance his relationship anymore but I don't really think I've received his quest
Gonna check later
But I'm pretty sure
dry ember
If you want more info
neon fiber
keep talking with them, prophecies unlock after specific convos
dry ember
I can tell you in spoiler channel
But if you don't want unwanted advice
Then I won't :D
tough grotto
Sure, I'd like some info
naive tusk
If only I could pet you, doggo 😍
turbid needle
oh no I had a good run the game crashed and now its gone :(
turbid needle
rip
dry ember
It's alright. I took me a painfully long time to escape
The first escape is the hardest
Subsequent ones will make everything else trivial.
||until the heat is on||
neon fiber
it do be like that
naive tusk
I like Zagreus Blade
naive tusk
It is my firm belief that everyone should try Legendary Zag Blade + Epic Greater Haste + 2 Ignited Ichors
neon fiber
sorry only people who can get PHDs can talk about zag aspects
naive tusk
To fully know what is life
dry ember
Living life on the fast lane
neon fiber
nyoom
tough grotto
We were exiled to these lands
dry ember
Aye
tough grotto
Tuff
naive tusk
Yeah, noone wants to speak about Zag Blade anyways
neon fiber
let us speak about the superior ||hades|| aspect instead
tough grotto
What's the best aspect for blade
neon fiber
aspect of TRUCK
naive tusk
Zag 👍
dry ember
Vroom
tough grotto
I've seen ppl talk abt ||Arthur||Aspect and I'm like "tf is dat"
naive tusk
Greatsword.
dry ember
You can make your own interpretation
dry ember
Isn't all greatsword long sword?
tough grotto
If Zag doesn't yell "||Excalibur!||" I don't want it
dry ember
Like square rectangal thing
tough grotto
uh I dunno chief
dry ember
It's a great big world
naive tusk
It's a bigsword 👍
tough grotto
It's a sword, all these subcategories are useless
dry ember
Yee
tough grotto
It cuts and stabs
neon fiber
regardless of that it's kinda slow but hits things so hard they die in a couple hits unless you've got a lot of heat on or they're armored enemies
or both
dry ember
I'll leave the rest for your imagination
tough grotto
The special with some synergizing upgrades is hella nice
Why do ||Theseus and Asterius|| have so much health anyway
naive tusk
Because they are champions!
neon fiber
because they're beefy
naive tusk
That too
dry ember
Lol I actually need to get some work done
tough grotto
So do I but I like to pretend that I don't
naive tusk
Chat will return to the blood pool 👍
wide plover
wow, world smasher is such a terrible hammer. You exchange the ability to block for however long you wish to... hit for 70 damage? what?
thank dionysus ice wine is too broken to care about your weapon
tough grotto
Cast builds, bro
wicked wyvern
^
small stirrup
Its like playing pinball
slim surge
no deflect is like a salad at macdonald's
dry ember
It's the healthiest stuff that they have to offer?
proven robin
Relies on lettuce like all Salads for Cowards?
small stirrup
I feel that my metaphor has been lost...
proven robin
Likely.
turbid needle
Whoa, how'd you get that spear time?
small stirrup
That 32 heat
raw violet
lucky early guan yu charged skewer and epic deadly flourish
raw violet
and a couple lucky fountain rooms + chaos gates
sudden dagger
I had a build that seemed to work all the way up until the 2nd form :/ then it just did not do very much damage somehow
Still haven't beaten him, but I got to his 2nd form for the 2nd time
raw violet
that guan yu run was just good rng, coulda been faster if i had better chaos boons and if I didn't skip minibosses in elysium for trials (greedy)
sterile portal
Guan Yu with the dash from hammer is surprisingly good
restive solar
I have graduated from addiction to deflect dodge
And ascended when I gave up double dodge
Now there is only perfect dodge
raw violet
@tough grotto probably sea storm, pends on what you have poseidon on
floral maple
i really like the combo going on here, lots of bouncing. Terribly ineffictive against Hades tho, but it was fun
https://imgur.com/a/PYGMhnr
turbid needle
Had one of my most OP builds in my latest run with the fists Demeter Aspect
Everything just absolutely melted on Styx. Hades went down in like 2 minutes, even with 30% more HP. I wish i had such a build on 32 heat runs 😦
dry ember
I did ;)
raw violet
you do enough runs, eventually you can get an op build on 32
dry ember
Or 46
dry ember
Yeah. Consistency is the key word here
I can do sub 23 heat consistently.
Anything above is a crapshoot
true pilot
Does the seed change if you change the Heat?
true pilot
'cause you could just quit at Styx and crank it all the way up when you find this kind of super OP run.
dry ember
Yes you can.
raw violet
if you quit at styx, you load back in at styx
true pilot
not if you give up.
raw violet
you wouldn't be able to change heat
true pilot
Give up = same seed.
dry ember
Give up is one hell of a drug brother
true pilot
die = new seed
dry ember
It's basically save scumming
raw violet
oh yeah, but there's not guarantee that you'll get the same stuff by the time you get to styx
that's not save scumming
that's just seeding
dry ember
No but with some routing you can
Also yeah I'm using save scumming loosely
You are correct though
raw violet
save scumming is copying you save files every new room
dry ember
Krasher you are right mate. But for the discussion, afaik, you can soft seed it exactly the way you described it Pixel
raw violet
if you give up at styx, you're only guaranteed the initial seed which is the first room boon/hammer
dry ember
I didn't abuse it but I did utilize it a couple of times.
raw violet
and if you go up in heat, the likelihood of you getting the same rooms as your low heat run will diverge super quick
by virtue of getting through each chamber
whether that be time or how many hits you take
dry ember
I mean a good first boon is already great
raw violet
yeah
raw violet
on a high heat run, that first boon can go a long way
regardless of what you get afterwards
raw violet
the pain in that text is palpable
turbid needle
you do enough runs, eventually you can get an op build on 32
@raw violet I hope so haha
raw violet
or you learn what are op builds with minimal investment
and the reality gets a little easier
turbid needle
or you learn what are op builds with minimal investment
@raw violet Been trying to. I know a little about that out of experience, but there's a limit of planning when on Heat 32, because of some punishments that really affect your build
raw violet
ironically, everyone who's been trying 45+ heat finds spreadfire to be a liability
dry ember
Memeing aside, for my rail 32, I was offered SF later in the run
turbid needle
But i'm not really worrying too much about 32 runs because the reward is minimal. I inted to stack Titan Blood and that's it. I've got 53 right now, so i'm only a few runs from getting the 60 i want to
dry ember
And I didn't pick it since Hestia
Opted for Flurry Fire instead
Which works like a charm
But if offered earlier
raw violet
yeah, people are trying hestia, safe and reliable
dry ember
Things are different
true pilot
Can't say I have gotten any success at that high of a heat, but I feel like the way to win is Chaos shield with doom on the special.
And Aphro on the attack.
If you get their duo and the stacking damage on doom, it'll perform better on bosses. But overall, it offers a fairly reasonable time-to-kill in every fight even though it's far from the fastest.
dry ember
I actually find Doom on Attack do more damage
true pilot
But it's shield, so it's safer in general. And Chaos doesn't actually require any precision for offense.
dry ember
And Demeter on Special with the 10 stack burst and decay
turbid needle
At high heats safety is the key, mostly. But honestly, i don't like safe builds, it's boring haha
true pilot
That could work.
dry ember
But a lot of combinations work
raw violet
most people recommend chaos shield for 32
but ironically, it was the hardest weapon for me
dry ember
Also yeah this is for chaos shield
true pilot
I cleared my 32 statue by serving copious plates of Dio's wine.
turbid needle
I absolutely loved my last build. I was punching everything almost recklessly, was lots of fun lol
raw violet
can't tell if I was just not used to things yet or what
true pilot
Hangover for you, and you, and you. Hangover for EVERYONE!
raw violet
@mighty ermine oh nooooo. that would have easily taken my time if 2 sack
dry ember
Smh my head
raw violet
yeah, so slow
raw violet
oh i didn't even realize you went hard into dash attack guan yu build
mighty ermine
oh yeah it was a weird one
sudden dagger
What keepsakes would you recommend for the Hades fight? I've been picking Skelly, but I still get hit too often and die :p
raw violet
acorn
mighty ermine
i initially was trying to do the special artemis build thing
sudden dagger
@raw violet thanks. Time to level it up lol
raw violet
hammers decided to just give you something different
mighty ermine
but after hunter dash, some chaos boons and serrated edge showed up they wanted me to do something else
exactly
i actually had demeter attack for 95% of the run
artemis exchanged at the styx fountain lol
dry ember
Yeah seconded for Acorn
raw violet
i've been experimenting with keepsakes for damage for the more special-centric builds and the options are not as obvious
dry ember
Are we doing non seeded speedruns now?
raw violet
skull earring seems like the way to go
dry ember
I'm kinda down
raw violet
or black shawl
mighty ermine
i never really seed my runs while i'm going for better times personally
krasher's probably the same i think
raw violet
i just pick something i need to work on time and do runs
if it doesn't start out ideally, it just turns into a darkness run
magic dagger
seeding is boring and takes too long imo
raw violet
slash gem run
raw violet
sub 15 really takes concentrated effort
mighty ermine
definitely
raw violet
like you know from the first couple rooms that your run is heading in that possibility
dry ember
But for speed you shouldn't
mighty ermine
the timer stops while fishing at least
it's just bothering to go to the spot itself
that can waste a little bit of time
raw violet
yeah, the spot happened to just be in my path
i wanted to buy aphro for heart rend but she was too far out of the way
and my luck with getting offered heart rend seems poor
spent spirit though
dry ember
Is Spent Spirit actually good in any scenario?
On FO2 it feels like a droplet in an ocean of speed buff
raw violet
it's great when i'm not already face to face with Hades and he's dumping skulls at me
which is not super often
steel hazel
Just had a close call. Reconsidering whether Ares was a good choice for Chaos shield... https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2116254104
mighty ermine
spent spirit sort of helped on my 32 excalibur run but as always, mostly for hades skulls
raw violet
the real mistake is thinking curse of longing would be worth the effort
dry ember
Close call though
mighty ermine
and even then the aura was doing most of the slows
dry ember
Send me the set up for 32 Excalibur plox, if you still have it
mighty ermine
i hope someday curse of longing can be just decently good for a duo
steel hazel
Needed it for prophecy and I got aphro in room 1
mighty ermine
instead of being too powerful and then too weak
magic dagger
curse of longing makes privileged status a little easier to kep going
mighty ermine
@dry ember https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/654076105321480226/715642851966320770/20200528140731_1.jpg i assume you meant 32 lol
mighty ermine
was definitely weird feeling generally kinda safe during the final boss
as long as i stayed careful
sudden dagger
Can you do a steam screenshot if the overlay is turned off?
dry ember
I'm not sure what you mean
sudden dagger
I see people sharing screenshots hosted on steam
If I ever win, I'd like to share a screenshot :p but I turned off the steam overlay for better compatibility
mighty ermine
those are just after uploading them to their profile
sudden dagger
I never learned how to take a screenshot in steam anyway
mighty ermine
and copying the link to that public screenshot page
dry ember
F12
dry ember
Then you will have to manually find it in your disk
sudden dagger
I'll test it out
dry ember
And upload to imgur
raw violet
just hit F11 for the in-game screenshot function
sudden dagger
Ok
sudden dagger
When people were sharing it from their steam profile, I thought it was skipping the "upload to imgur" step
dry ember
You still need to upload to your Steam profile
mighty ermine
you don't need to use steam or imgur either, necessarily. you can upload it to a private server with only yourself in it, then copy that link and paste here
dry ember
Just different hosting service
mighty ermine
that's what i do
raw violet
you can probably just start a discord convo with yourself and upload pictures there, yeah?
true pilot
you can upload it to a private server with only yourself in it,
Would be so much nicer if I could just have a DM with myself.
raw violet
oh, i was wrong, i thought you could start a dm with yourself but you cannot
mighty ermine
yeah just make a solo discord server like i suggested
it's easy and quick, especially for this context
mighty ermine
actually yeah, that instead
raw violet
haha
actually there's a bot that i have in my DMs
i can upload to that convo and it never replies
dry ember
MEE6?
raw violet
you could probably do that too
but no
yeah, that does work
the discord link is so bloated though
raw violet
i think i must've had the aphro boon for health
mighty ermine
i actually think my last run i had 149 health lmao
so you can't accuse me of having over 150
dry ember
149 is effectively 300
raw violet
i didn't need it that run
dry ember
194 is almost 400
raw violet
that was a no-hit Hades fight
mighty ermine
SIX divine dashes
dry ember
Since a lot of GY builds that was posted have obscene amount of health
raw violet
it's mostly a heroic greatest reflex + athena dash crutch fight
hahaha
also had divine protection but it never went down
so i wish it wasn't there to taint the image
raw violet
that's why my darkness is so low
mighty ermine
it took me a while to get used to actually... remembering to use the companion at all
since i took a break from playing when they got introduced
so doing that didn't feel natural to me lol
raw violet
yeah, it took me awhile too
they're introduced fairly late into the game
when you're already so used to not having them
mighty ermine
yeah
the little popup messages reminding you about them do help with that a little bit
during miniboss and boss encounters
and maybe regular encounters? i'm not sure
maybe if you take a while or are at low hp with shady
raw violet
everytime i forget to use my last shady during Hades i cry a little for that 10 darkness I could've gotten
mighty ermine
you could get 10 darkness pretty easily in the next run. the problem is that it isn't the same darkness
raw violet
even more so when i had a bunch of darkness buffs and each one was giving me 57
mighty ermine
that definitely changes things yeah
raw violet
considering how little i've actively farmed for it, it was really eye opening when i finally did some runs like that
makes the normal darkness gains feel like drops in a bucket
mighty ermine
oh for sure
raw violet
i guess that's kind of the point
mighty ermine
and tinge of erebus actually giving a big chunk after boosts
mighty ermine
i feel like gems has this problem but even worse
the room rewards are nothing except for when you still have extremely cheap furnishings to buy
otherwise it's like, why bother? just fish
do troves
sudden dagger
Cursed slash carried me pretty far on my early playthroughs, but is it too much an hp hit for Hades?
mighty ermine
oh yeah, the 500 gems for 1 blood i think it is? i love that one
raw violet
i wonder if that is their intention, i've maxed out my bounties and still have a ton of darkness that i need for mirror upgrades
mighty ermine
@sudden dagger without hard labor and with a decent amount of health from centaur hearts to offset the reduced health, i'd say it's probably fine
as long as you stay reasonably aggressive if you want to heal
raw violet
@sudden dagger it seems like people still have pretty good success with it, especially combined with flurry slash
i personally have not used it much
mighty ermine
i heard people report that they could basically afk in front of asterius during the duo boss and be fine with that combo lol
floral maple
whats a good time for a run?
raw violet
i bet cursed slash + flurry slash + athena attack would probably be ultra safe
mighty ermine
oh geez, yeah
mighty ermine
@floral maple depends on the intent, it's hard to give a concrete answer. 20-25 can be solid for casual runs or newer players starting to speed up
then 12-15 is the generally fast category for people actively attempting to go fast
mighty ermine
17 is still a solid time, yeah
raw violet
sub 12 i think is a category of really good run
dry ember
17 is really good.
raw violet
and sub 10 is probably an ideal run
mighty ermine
yeah, i agree
dry ember
My runs usually between 18 and 22
raw violet
like perfect ideal
mighty ermine
sub 12 is something you definitely can be proud of and is rare, while sub 10 is like a goal to strive for that's rarely going to actually ever happen
unless you use spread fire
floral maple
maxed demeter aspect with artemis special, zeus attack and concentrated knuckle
just raw fire power
mighty ermine
that's a very solid setup yeah
my sub 12 fists run had zeus attack and the works too
floral maple
i love this game so much
wicked wyvern
my first will prob be like 6:00:00 from me leaving the game on mid run
floral maple
even after ~55 hours i feel the joy like when i first started
raw violet
my sub 12 was artemis demeter aspect special so it's definitely a good setup
magic dagger
even after 378 hours I feel the joy like when i first started
raw violet
i do think that a merciless end fist build can keep up too
mighty ermine
yeah, the momentum seems like it'd be harder to build early on
raw violet
if you can force it early
mighty ermine
but the potential would make up for it
raw violet
i was whiffing a lot of charged up specials so I probably lost a lot of time there
mighty ermine
+3 or 4 dashes from hermes, constant impending doom+merciful end combo boosted doom going off
whew
raw violet
wheras merciful end is kind of hard to mess up once it's rolling
yeah, merciful end + extra dashes
mighty ermine
did your run have explosive upper?
raw violet
i did
mighty ermine
yeah, at least that makes the window more generous to hit things with
raw violet
i did a lot of dash-attack-special
the issue is that if you're not paying attention to your position, I end up aiming the special the wrong way
raw violet
even though I know i'm going for the backstab special
raw violet
the combination of the timing for dash-attack-special and the changes in timing with hitstop just throws me off
i just have to practice with it more
impending doom, priv status are additions to the core merciful end build that really just skyrocket your damage
throw in pressure points in there too
sudden dagger
I've discovered the reason to max out cerebus's relationship :D
floral maple
hes a good boy
sudden dagger
Pets anytime, even if I'm holding nectars. Such a good boy
raw violet
the true endgame
neon fiber
You mean you guys didn’t regularly booze your pet up?
magic dagger
stand in front of cerberus and spam G. Eventually you get the ending cutscene and the credits roll, accompanied by music that makes you cry.
J.K. don't try it
you'll get tired
of spamming
untold vortex
one can never grow tired of petting best boi though
magic dagger
true, but you do that by calmly pressing g every several seconds. spamming unfortunately doesn't help
magic dagger
lulz
neon fiber
i’m so glad i got over with that thing
magic dagger
Music is fun and rewarding
Especially when you get the riff that sounds like the intro to "A Proper Story"
neon fiber
Music made me want to go out in a trip that would inevitably end in my demise only to be free of it
Even if it was for a scant few minutes
dry ember
The reason why you should get a controller is so you can pet Cerberus properly
Like they did such a good job with the vibration
proven robin
Incidentally, Athena on Chiron is kinda counter-purpose, but if you angle it right, it can still do the job.
Just gotta get a little fancy.
proven robin
Agreed, but I wouldn't turn Athena down for Chiron.
dull dust
sudden dagger
@dry ember just now realizing I'm meant to have controller vibrations...
Ok, about to start a shield run. I've heard y'all suggest Athena special and ares attack, which I've never tried
main osprey
Athena special is definitely good, I don't have a strong preference for the attack
dry ember
Special can go with Demeter or Zues too
You can be flexible
If things go not as planned