Backstab bow build might be legit, honestly
#h1-builds-and-combat
turbid needle
dry ember
like with triple shot?
raw violet
yeah, i've started running shadow with bow a lot more and i think i prefer it
turbid needle
With special
dry ember
ok
mighty ermine
@turbid needle yep, victory screen with bow is often bugged
will result in not being able to interact with anything and can only close out of it
mighty ermine
it is super weird, and no idea
dry ember
charged volley point blank is also really good
turbid needle
T'was the build I posted above
Like, with Athena exposed, easy near 2K damage volleys
cunning urchin
I think it might be when you're charging an attack just as you win? Could be anything, though.
cunning urchin
Maybe somebody accidentally deleted a ; somewhere in the code or something. 
mighty ermine
potentially yeah, i've had a similar thought mewmew
mighty ermine
i suppose but that would be a bit of an investment just to test, and i've only ever had it happen with bow, but it seems to happen every time with bow
cunning urchin
It's only ever happened with the bow to me.
dry ember
esepcially spear since you can get animation freeze with spin
mighty ermine
and not at all with anything else
turbid needle
^
cunning urchin
Yeah, every time is my experience, too.
dry ember
smh if Greg would stop playing the game and fix bugs, we will launch 1.0 by lunch time
turbid arch
Oh my god
cunning urchin
Maybe Greg is responsible for that bug, so they told him to go play and not touch anything in the code while they're working on fixing it.
turbid arch
Thing is that I have this running gag going on about four people who do not exist.
They are game developers.
The first one is a guy called Steve.
cunning urchin
Lol
turbid arch
He is the kind of game developer who lives to see you suffer. He is the kind of game developer who thinks that a room full of benefits package bruisers with extra damage would be a fun and novel idea to introduce.
cunning urchin
Greg does the writing for all the games, and also design.
turbid arch
The next is Greg. Greg is the kind of game developer who wants you to have a great old time with fun things and mechanics. The kind of game developer who gives you things like Excalibur or Weapon Aspects in general.
Then there is Boris. Boris is not actually a game designer and more like a Publisher.
dry ember
Did he write then ending for Transistor too?
turbid arch
He and Steve get along, so he tends to be on Steves side when it comes to questions regarding game design.
And then there is Doris. Doris is Boris' Wife who knows nothing about gaming but still works in the industry. She enjoys agreeing with her husband.
cunning urchin
Probably? Should move this discussion anyway. (I'm going to sleep, though.)
dry ember
Night.
cunning urchin
Good night!
turbid needle
Take care
naive tusk
I had a Deadly Flourish + Hunter's Mark + Chain Skewer + Aspect of Hades build before. It was really good 👍
I guess Clean Kill, Heart Rend, etc. would make it better ❤️ 🏹
raw violet
Any cast on Achilles is fun
unkempt pagoda
petition for every god to have a trippy shot duo boon
for the ultimate full wine build
proven robin
Interestingly, I have kinda verified a previous assertion that, interestingly, Ice Wine is slightly less powerful on Aspect of Hera than it would otherwise be.
Unlike Trippy Shot, it actually has a short lead time between the arrow hitting and the cloud being deployed.
magic dagger
"Your festive fog becomes a blast that ruptures foes"
"Your festive fog deals damage repeatedly in the area"
"Your festive fog makes foes weak"
good idea @unkempt pagoda
unkempt pagoda
your festive fog charms foes
magic dagger
that would be a little op, I think
unkempt pagoda
i mean that’s the point
magic dagger
not that it isn't already...
naive tusk
I mean, people do get charmed if they drink too much wine 
Although, there's already Low Tolerance 
dry ember
Thanks Peach ❤️
magic dagger
Although, there's already Low Tolerance
@naive tusk oops
also, sorry for pinging, entirely unintentional I assure you
naive tusk
Ooooh do try it! @stiff stone watched me play that build and he also thought it was bellisimo 👌
Yes, I'm pinging you radish. Come say hi, spread some nutritious love 😋
naive tusk
@peak iron Keep it rated PG, please.
peak iron
Is this how people get into marathon running?
Normal running is no longer a challenge, I must push further, until, before you know it you're running for an entire day straight
untold vortex
untold vortex
Peach 
true pilot
Meanwhile, I can't say I'm finding heat-pushing fun.
Got my 32 clear and all, but even getting each of the weapons to 20 is being kind of a chore. .-.
peak iron
Honestly, I just want more story content. Supergiant's writing is always so good
Bastion is probably top 3 video games of all time for me.
I can't say that the heat grind is a ton of fun, but it's something to kill time with
true pilot
Problem for me is that it numerical tweaking doesn't feel fun.
EM3 is amazing. Middle Management isn't stellar, but at least some of the encounters get a nice twist.
Add in Damage Control to force you to deal with mechanics in the opening and... that's it. That's the game.
Everything else feels... dull.
neon fiber
jury summons is fun too
peak iron
I feel you. EM is my favorite kind of difficulty tweak, and some of the voice lines it unlocks are awesome
Theseus is just the best bad guy
I want to buy him a drink
true pilot
also Benefits Package.
For all our griping about Bruiser being broken, it opens up a whole new world of encounters.
Juggling those, 1~10 Heat is a-okay.
Anything else feels like a bit much. Like, yeah, I can master the butterfly. Become one with the butterfly. Flutter by all rooms untouched like a ghost... and just take Hard Labor, Lasting Consequences, and Convenience Fee (buying Kisses since no heal) as freebies.
But the effort for that is so high it doesn't feel worth it.
peak iron
It doesn't feel like it actually gets hard until you can't get boons as often. The toughest runs, for me anyways, are the ones where I have parts of the mirror disabled so it reduces the number of rooms with boons/hammer/poms
true pilot
Not necessarily.
peak iron
But by then I'm at like 25-30 heat so, IDK
true pilot
Well, fair. I don't play that high.
I'll start a fresh file for 1.0. But having already poked around with all of the aspects in my EA file, I highly doubt I'll be pushing higher than just EM4 + BP2 + MM. I just... don't need all that much blood when I know I won't be playing a rather large chunk of the aspects.
peak iron
Yes. I love the spear as well my friend.
I actually really dislike having to pour blood into the weapons to slowly make them more powerful
Kinda wish blood was a little rarer and that you only had to unlock the aspect once, and it was at full strength.
untold vortex
Hai radish 
peak iron
Ora
neon fiber
in all seriousness the spear's nice but most aspects for it are somewhat underwhelming
true pilot
Some weapons would disproportionally benefit from that full unlock approach.
neon fiber
especially when compared to the more nutty stuff like Hera or Arthur aspects
or Demeter
dry ember
sword and spear are the hardest ones on high heat imo
mainly because I just suck at them
neon fiber
i'm pretty sad that Hades aspect is as bad as it is
peak iron
Maybe they would, but at the same time, I also don't think that's a bad thing.
true pilot
Spear is the worst weapon in the game. *facts*
neon fiber
yeah, it's sadly not as good as the other ones
true pilot
Guan Yu's moveset is amazing. I'd take it without the healing and with normal spear damage numbers if I could remove the health penalty.
Even with the halving, it's still pretty much the best spear aspect.
mighty ermine
i really love GY, even as it is right now
peak iron
I love the sounds effects.
true pilot
~fireworks~
peak iron
It makes me wish there was a harp as a weapon.
mighty ermine
the spin sfx... it's so good
peak iron
I would like to slay the demons of the underworld with a soothing melody
If it didn't have an "Aspect of Dante" I would be quite disappointed.
true pilot
Alighieri or Son of Sparda?
'cause those would make for two very different instruments. :P
neon fiber
alighieri didn't do much to soothe demons, he basically hid behind his teacher's robes
literally at a couple points
peak iron
Only one of them uses a badass guitar to kill demons 😄
true pilot
I mean, if we're on the topic of hypothetical aspects, hear me out here, Shield Aspect of Steve.
peak iron
"GRANT ME THE ASPECT OF...S-...Steve?"
naive tusk
Hoping that wasn't sarcasm
naive tusk
You know, I think I never asked you what's your favorite weapon-aspect
Or maybe I forgot lol
I do know you dislike the railgun!
untold vortex
I really should try out the railgun, I have the feeling I'll either love it or heavily dislike it
looks at every weapon that's not sword or fists I should try out those too
magic dagger
Made a new file. I'm facing the final boss with almost 200 health and a DD on the third run
I'd honestly forgotten how it felt to not have mirror upgrades
It's.... interesting
untold vortex
good luck ^_^
stiff stone
It’s hard for sure!
magic dagger
The real problem is that FO isn't on though
You can't escape the spins
I Died a horrible and embarrasing death
lethal tangle
main osprey
Now that's what I call farming darkness
uhh, imgur? that doesn't seem to be previewing...
magic dagger
lightning strike?
dry ember
No dark thirst
magic dagger
and dash a lot
dry ember
Smh my head
main osprey
wdym fox?
dry ember
You I'm just teasing you.
main osprey
Mmkay :3
main osprey
because I did have Dark Thirst :3
dry ember
Wait sht
dry ember
Joke on me I guess
main osprey
it previewed!
dry ember
xD
main osprey
|| used 3 DDs on Hades ||
main osprey
I only just started using DD instead of SD, once I got up to 3 DDs
magic dagger
I average a little over 0 DDs
even though I facetank
main osprey
I had 5 dashes and +80% movespeed after dashing
magic dagger
what am I doing wrong here
main osprey
I've just barely used the fists, compared to the spear or shield
also is divine flourish bad on the rail?
I feel like it is
magic dagger
I had 5 dashes and +80% movespeed after dashing
@main osprey Are you sure you didn't have +100% movespeed for 0.8 sec. ?
magic dagger
divine flourish with rail would be tricky
main osprey
but I had 5 dashes, so the duration didn't really matter lol
dry ember
what am I doing wrong here
noob, imagine not being able to lose DD, literally the easiest thing in the game.
magic dagger
I could probably facetank harder idk
magic dagger
I feel like we're scaring away people with gameplay questions
main osprey
I mean, until recently I consistently used 0 DDs
I averaged one SD though
idle crater
magic dagger
boy am i unlucky
@idle crater go in a tunnel and you have it already🧐
Rockets are fun, but I personally prefer triple bomb
main osprey
I have +200% damage right now...sooo
magic dagger
Anybody here know if you can get rockets and triple bomb?
dull dust
man that's like 10 in a row lost to the damn minotaur
main osprey
ouch
dull dust
giant F
main osprey
I just realized, Divine Flourish with the Rocket upgrade would be good
cursive wing
I better ask here: Pressure points (critical chance 5%), would it apply to every row of my bow's special?
magic dagger
yes
magic dagger
sorry I didn't see the question earlier
magic dagger
doom crits can be brutal
magic dagger
Happens
main osprey
do I take Fixation, and hope for spent spirit later? or just go for the prophecy?
cunning urchin
5% crit chance from Pressure Points is effectively +10% damage on everything—unless you have some other crit modifiers from Lady Artemis.
magic dagger
go prophecy
cunning urchin
Spent Spirit is great.
main osprey
aight
magic dagger
charm is kind of lame (no offense to the beautiful Lady Aphrodite, all of whose other boons are awesome), and slow projectiles are kind of awesome
main osprey
hahaha
cunning urchin
Not as great as it used to be but still really good. And getting your prophecies is nice.
main osprey
especially because I'm planning on swapping out my only weak effect
cunning urchin
Charm has some issues right now imo, like no visual indicator when it's about to wear off or Hades doing an immediate spin attack with seemingly no wind-up as soon as charm wears off on him. And other enemies attack immediately, too, when, again, there is no indicator that it's about to wear off.
Otherwise it would be amazing.
cursive wing
The best build I've received. I also had another 43% on special and rapid shot
https://i.redd.it/vdj43wwjq7251.png
cunning urchin
Nice! Congrats!
magic dagger
I've never seen a charmed enemy ever actually fight for me, are they supposed to?
cunning urchin
They do, kind of? I don't know, the AI acts very confusing when charmed.
main osprey
it can be hard to tell, Lysol, because most enemies don't have explicit attack animations
cunning urchin
Maybe they're supposed to be just confused?
@brisk saddle you're looking for #h1-tech-support.
brisk saddle
cunning urchin
Good luck!
tepid ridge
If the charm duration lasts long enough, I’ve seen them get an attack or two on another foe but they also just run around.
magic dagger
neat?
main osprey
not really??
it doesn't have a target radius
wait!!
cluster bomb is one of the options
time to test that
oh my
what's the easiest way to send a video?
or, here
magic dagger
Has anyone here not seen cluster bomb+rockets?
main osprey
magic dagger
It's beautiful
main osprey
tada~!
magic dagger
now use it point-blank like coronacht special
main osprey
|| I only ever use Chiron Aspect ||
okay that looks janky as all heck. I can move while the rockets are going off and they still fire from the same place
makes sense, but looks weird
magic dagger
did you not do runs with bow before getting bloods?
magic dagger
you misspelled "died"😎
main osprey
at this point, I could do better, since I've improved with the bow
but I haven't bothered lol
steel hazel
Gods, Hunting Blades/Vicious Cycle is strong. 3rd win against the big guy and I didn't blow a single DD when I think I lost all of them in my other two wins.
magic dagger
I'm honestly upset that the final boss is easier with FO
cursive wing
anyone wants to share a good shield build?
magic dagger
Chaos. Doom special
cursive wing
aspect?
main osprey
chaos
cursive wing
ah
magic dagger
right
main osprey
also chaos with pos special + zeus duo
magic dagger
with doom, you want merciful end or impending doom
cursive wing
I tried zeus with zeus special, that was fun. But the placing is annoying
main osprey
yeah
cursive wing
Need more blood to unlock chaos
cunning urchin
Drunken Flourish is great on Chaos Aspect.
magic dagger
You would want it upgraded anyways before you use it
so have lots of blood before you spring for it
cunning urchin
If you want to know, the Zagreus Aspects all cost ||five|| Titan Blood to max out, and other aspects cost ||15~16|| each.
magic dagger
chaos shield under heroic is very underwhelming
used it all on the sword to get |companion|
What if I told y'all that I like Zag sword, and therefore had it maxed before I was given the quest?
cunning urchin
Yes. You can walk over your aura without taking damage from magma.
magic dagger
does that include environment, or is it only the blobs?
cunning urchin
Environment.
Enemies can no longer run and hide on magma.
And putting an aura in the middle of the EM2 arena is great.
magic dagger
You'll never guess who's going to use Excalibur in a week or so when they unlock it
I ragequit for some reason I can't recall and overwrote my save😆
cunning urchin
Congratulations? 
magic dagger
thank you, thank you
cunning urchin
You probably ragequit because you didn't know you could walk on magma.
That must be it.
magic dagger
on the bright side, fresh files are fun
zero darkness run👌
Brutal deaths
the works
main osprey
First Rail clear!
magic dagger
It's a lot more intense than the first time I played, elysium without mirror upgrades, hermes, or hammers is interesting
nice one
cunning urchin
Congratulations!
cunning urchin
Exagryph runs need saving?
magic dagger
those are some tasty damage numbers
Exagryph runs need saving?
mine do, I suck at rail
spreadfire or death is how it usually goes
cunning urchin
I think learning that you do 0 hitstun is pretty important.
main osprey
I just got offered to trade 10 nectar for 1 ambrosia 0.o
magic dagger
It's a scam
main osprey
it's a good deal is what it is
magic dagger
make sure you check all the labels
main osprey
that's 50% off
main osprey
that's literally half price
main osprey
yup lol
cursive wing
if I swap keepsake after a boss to something like Poseidon. Does it increase the chance to get a poseidon buff?
cunning urchin
Note that Lord Hermes does not count for that. So Lord Hermes can appear before Lord Poseidon, but Lord Poseidon will definitely appear.
magic dagger
Only Hermes, keys, darkness, hammers, gems, poms, gold, and health can get in the way
I definitely am not bitter at all about the extremely common delays before god keepsakes trigger
cursive wing
confused... so if I start with poseidon, the next boon, after each boss, will be poseidon? (aside from the gems, keys, etc....)
magic dagger
only triggers once
cursive wing
I don't think I've seen that...
aaah
so
change after every boss to make your build 🙂
leaden hare
I saw a Youtuber did dash-only run and beat the Final boss, so I tried the build for fun and
https://i.imgur.com/MoKC0CG.png
cursive wing
does it work well?
leaden hare
Not as perfect but good enough!
cursive wing
I was thinking of doing a cast only
magic dagger
good times with splash dash... for best results you also go for the aphro-poseidon duo
leaden hare
The Youtuber's name was Haelian btw, since I learnt this build from his video I shall give him credit
magic dagger
Haelian is, I think, the biggest Hades streamer
leaden hare
He did a lot of crazy runs that are somehow inspiring
magic dagger
trippy shot trio > anything else
except arti with charged skewer
Farewell, Ladies and Gentlemen
as well as any commoners out there
cursive wing
||what does it mean that a keepsake is 'expired'||
lapis matrix
sterile portal
@cursive wing ||It means that the keepsake is no longer fully applicable. I believe that only occurs on the Gods' keepsakes. Your next boon is no longer guaranteed to be from that god. You still get the rarity increase on boons from them however||
cursive wing
thanks @sterile portal
sterile portal
No problem
turbid needle
Aphrodite Attack, Artemis Special, look for Heart Rend and Dash-Strike.
tough grotto
No, just keep going, a single boon isn't worth restarting a run imo
tepid ridge
Just played my first Forced Overtime 2 run and... super-elite archers during the final boss are basically poison stacks with how hitscan they can be lmao.
It’s spicy 
umbral lagoon
Yeah, when I get bad FO2 and BP2 RNG on summons in the final boss I just dodge and ignore them for the boss itself.
When the boss disappears, then do clean-up.
slender lintel
On the boon overview you can select upto five and they get a little icon, does that do anything other than display them?
raw violet
Just display
naive tusk
And yay!
slender lintel
Cool, thanks!
stoic thicket
Having now tried out the Zeus aspect I can comfortably say I'm a bit underwhelmed.
Or maybe I'm doing it totally wrong, certainly also a possibility.
cunning urchin
What was your build?
sly sonnet
If you like chaos then its normal 
stoic thicket
Zeus special and then trying to grab as much Zeus as possible and stack on a bit of Demeter, mostly.
sly sonnet
What I like on zeus js demeter,athena,artemis special
cunning urchin
For Cold Fusion?
stoic thicket
I grabbed Cold Fusion in the end, yeah, but that wasn't the real end goal. I also happened to get Poseidon's cast and wanted to get a Blizzard Shot in.
dry ember
Rarity of Thunder Flourish can matter a bit
stoic thicket
Had it epic and like 4 poms on that.
dry ember
Hmm
stoic thicket
I made it out at like... heat 13 or so? So it's not like that was a total loss. Just didn't really feel all that nice.
cunning urchin
The real test is at much higher heat where all the aspect's strengths and weaknesses matter a lot more.
stoic thicket
Yeah, but I'm currently not playing that, likely won't for a long while.
Just for general playstyle, do you just throw the shield out and hide behind the bull rush, or just dash around and try to tap as much as possible?
cunning urchin
You might appreciate the damage your Special can do while you're still able to block a lot more when you face much stronger enemies etc.
smoky oasis
I just bull rush charge my way from 0 heat to 25 heat in shield
cunning urchin
I've actually not done a run with the aspect yet personally.
smoky oasis
takes around 30 mins per run so 13 hours total
cunning urchin
I'm not a fun of Aegis except sometimes when I feel like it.
Block is kind of OD lol.
stoic thicket
Chaos aspect shield is a whole different animal, that one works perfectly fine. It's the Zeus aspect that I admittedly might not fully understand.
smoky oasis
in short, it sucks
the aspects are pretty imbalanced
Shield normal attack dmg is very low so it would take you forever to kill enemy if you dash around tapping
better to do that on spear on fist
earnest ravine
The Zeus aspect is kinda like having a second character on the field that's ALWAYS attacking, and is really good for dealing a crudton of damage to one enemiy in a short amount of time, or deleting another group of enemies while you handle one yourself.
It plays different than the others because of that and it's... kinda hard to switch between standard/Chaos and Zeus if you're super used to one or the other. Some people can, but I sure can't make the swap away from Zeus easily.
stoic thicket
What sort of build would you suggest to aim for?
earnest ravine
For the special, any stacking flat damage proc, like Zeus or Dio is fantastic, sinc every single hit (or nearly) will activate the staus effect. You can also make it into a whirling disc of desk with Demeter or one of the standard high damage ones, but I find it more fun doing the former.
Whatever you put on your attack is also pretty important, unlike the other shields, and I'd PERSONALLY recommend Aphro for that? I've had some success with Posioden, especially if I go for a rupture/lightning bolt build, but I don't go for him too often.
But you want something that hits really hard on your main attack because you're using that a lot.
stoic thicket
Okay, that might've been the cause. I've mostly ignored the attack and tried to run around with the shield chasing me.
earnest ravine
It's mainly just, a lot of getting used to positioning your shield and recalling it if you need to, or pre-placing it on enemy spawns.
YEAH, no, you don't make the special do ALL the work, work in tandem with it or you're losing out on at least half the damage.
It's why it's so good, because you can do that. The blocking thing, sure, nifty to avoid dying, but it lets you keep up offence while still having your shield floating around spinning the crud out of stuff.
THat's just how I play it, though, I know some other people do it differently and have success with it! But I treat it like I would a puppet character or class in a fighting game or MMO.
stoic thicket
I'll definitely give it a new try with a proper attack, the Poseidon combo sounds nifty.
civic barn
i feel like i've been running into more cases where aegis isn't blocking something properly, but it's not like they updated in the last couple of months so I'm a bit confused. For example, Hades' laser sometimes passes through my aegis even when i've cleared blocked it for a second since i heard the sound effect.
earnest ravine
I gget that sometimes, too. I think it's because of hitbox weirdness? It mainly happens on like, super rapdily hitting attacks.
Where it'll block for like, 3 or 4 hits and then suddenly you're melting for no discenrable reason?
civic barn
yeah, i think that sounds like it
but i'm hesitant to leave feedback for something I'm not sure is an issue on the game's part, or mine
main osprey
For the laser, it could be your hand shifting slightly. That happened to me a couple times
civic barn
i don't think i did, but if it was, it'd have to have been a rather tiny angle since i was pointing directly towards him...well, keep trying, i guess.
earnest ravine
I can also backup that I have had it happen to me while standing entirely still the whole way though (and it got me killed a few times to boot @.@) so it's, definitely not just you.
It's also happened with groups of Brimstones.
stoic thicket
Aaaand done with the prophecy list.
untold vortex
what boons are you hunting for?
there's a link pinned to diagrams made by HeartfulPeach that can assist you in getting those boons btw :3
stoic thicket
Funnily enough the final two things were daedalus hammer boons.
One for the shield and one for the bow.
untold vortex
ahhh, then you're getting unlucky in that case 
mossy breach
duos are easy but you need the requisites, they are never going to show up otherwise. when i started playing i thought they were kinda random
one of the duos that was hard for me was Lightning Rod, because i didnt know that you needed Infernal soul and i was always using Stygian soul.
willow reef
Finished Heat 2 with Hera's Bow - Hunting Blades - Lightning Rod - Deadly Reversal - Athena's Aid. Enemies dropping like files while I was zipping around deflecting everything. evil laugh I love this game.
fading geyser
Anyone got any tips for the 32 heat run? I got up to Theseus with the shield of chaos a couple of times, but since I started trying out different pact of punishment combinations, I haven't gotten past the hydra. I'm just not sure what combination can bring me the furthest.
raw violet
I think you’ll find a fairly wide variety of opinions on what combo of pact options to take. It’s ultimately a question about which poison you’re willing to tolerate the most
Tight Deadline for instance, it’s a big heat sink but then you have to be confident in your ability to clear quickly
And risk some aspects of enemy rng in elysium + sack rng
What do you feel like you’re dying to the most at hydra?
fading geyser
I've been experimenting a lot between tolerating either:
A. Bosses improved at every stage
B. Enemies with double armor abilities effects
C. Being limited on amount of boons I can choose
I think I start getting into trouble as soon as I run into Asphodel's bombermen
raw violet
Majority of my runs are EM3, BP2, FO2, TD2 as a base
fading geyser
I've tried this run about 12 times or so with different combinations, and it's been a pain
raw violet
Hard Labor maxed is not as scary as it sounds with shield
fading geyser
Sorry, I'm new to the community, what are EM3, BP2 and so on? 🙂
raw violet
Convenience fee at 2 is a fair trade and impacts your encounters the least
Extreme measures, benefits package, forced overtime, tight deadline
raw violet
For shield I think damage control is not too bad
wintry plume
what's the difference between FO and TD?
raw violet
And would be another fairly easy 2 heat
FO makes enemies move faster
TD gives you a timer
wintry plume
oh ok thanks it's that tyeir names both have a thing with time
fading geyser
Majority of my runs I have HL maxed, so I'm used to it. I'm trying to get accustomed to BP2
raw violet
I personally don’t like having my choice taken away from me so I don’t do any approval process
I keep all my mirror upgrades as well
fading geyser
I think FO is one of my problems with shield, since it takes a moment to charge (unless I get the right hammer)
My strategy is generally to zoom around and throw multi-discs with shield of chaos
raw violet
FO should matter less on chaos aspect since you should always be able to safely position yourself before throwing shields
fading geyser
For now I gave up on the 32 run for a little bit, and I'm doing normal runs, trying to get used to BP2, since that's one of my biggest struggles
raw violet
Lots of people take BP2 but I think we all underestimate how bad combos of armor perks can be
Some recommend dropping to BP1 and moving the points elsewhere
fading geyser
I mostly avoid BP overall, it makes the run very unpredictable. However BP2 is like what, 5 heat points? If I get used to it, I can avoid a lot of other annoying ones
raw violet
Underworld customs is a good 2 heat as well but you have to be comfortable having a build that may not have any synergy and maybe only has one good damage boon
I typically try to only take customs on weapons that can get really good damage off of something like 1 Artemis boon and a chaos boon
Which, imo, chaos shield is not one
fading geyser
The shield of chaos does well as long as the special has some kind of effect
raw violet
I agree
fading geyser
Hmm. I usually try to get Hera's dash, though there's also been normal runs where I end up with Poseidon's dash upgraded to the degree, where I just don't use my weapon any more, only zoom around and knock foes into walls
raw violet
Chaos with dio/zeus/athena/ares special can do work
fading geyser
Zeus's is my fav when it comes to the shield of chaos, followed by ares, since both have explosive damage
raw violet
Most people will probably agree that your first 32 run will be the hardest
So I wouldn’t get too discouraged
It’s like playing Hades for the first time again
But you have a lot of options to play with and what makes me comfortable at 32 may not make you comfortable at 32
cunning urchin
I wouldn't agree with that.
It's not necessarily true. Experience and practice are important factors, but your strategy, aspect, and such things are important factors, too.
raw violet
I’m not sure what you’re refuting
cunning urchin
Most people will probably agree that your first 32 run will be the hardest
raw violet
Strategy and learning pact options are still part of that initial rough patch
cunning urchin
Not saying it's categorically untrue, just that it's not necessarily true, either.
fading geyser
What was so strange was, my first 2-3 32 runs were the most successful, and since then I have not gotten close to that point
raw violet
But I agree that there are many factors
fading geyser
And I don't know why
turbid needle
I'm having a real hard time with 32 heat. I'm no genius in this game, but also not bad either. But playing at 32 feels brutal. I've played with many choices of weapons and pact options, but can't get past Elysium yet
cunning urchin
What are you losing to in Elysium?
raw violet
I do think the jump to 32 just feels really drastic your first time though
fading geyser
Same here, I haven't beaten it yet. I at first lost to Theseus, but now I just can't even get to Elysum
turbid needle
Well, i guess i'm losing to RNG lol It depends on the enemies that come. Especially when i have Benefits Package at max
cunning urchin
Maybe your strategy is too reliant on good RNG, then.
turbid needle
I do think the jump to 32 just feels really drastic your first time though
@raw violet It does. I cleared the game over a hundred times, then i wanted to play on 32 and got kicked in my *** very hard
raw violet
I do think there’s something to be said about heightened security during asphodel. It makes the biome significantly more dangerous
fading geyser
I keep mixing up the pact of punishment to try and find what works, but I keep losing mid-asphodel. Though I think at that point it's RNG and practice
turbid needle
Maybe your strategy is too reliant on good RNG, then.
@cunning urchin Yeah, maybe. I do know a few good strats in this game, but i'll have to work much harder on that if i'm willing to kill Hades on 32 lol
raw violet
It might be good to play and be hyper aware of what’s killing you/taking a lot of health
fading geyser
I do think there’s something to be said about heightened security during asphodel. It makes the biome significantly more dangerous
@raw violet That... is a good point, actually. I remember keeping that low on my initial runs. Maybe there's something to that, hmm
raw violet
It would help us suggest things a little better
turbid needle
I do think there’s something to be said about heightened security during asphodel. It makes the biome significantly more dangerous
@raw violet I never put heightened security. It's one of the worst punishments to me. And i didn't even get to Styx, where this punishment REALLY hurts. I once put this punishment in a 19 heat run and got killed by a trap because the dmg was like 150 or so
raw violet
Otherwise we’re kind of spitballing
cunning urchin
I think most BP2 combos can be dealt with quite well. There are just a couple outliers that are really bad like Bruiser Snakestones, for example. Though if it's only 1~2, they can be dealt with, too.
fading geyser
What's your favorite companion plush to take to the 32 runs?
turbid needle
I think most BP2 combos can be dealt with quite well. There are just a couple outliers that are really bad like Bruiser Snakestones, for example. Though if it's only 1~2, they can be dealt with, too.
@cunning urchin There are some mobs that get really dangerous with almost any combo, like the shield guys haha
raw violet
Yeah, if you feel like you’re having a lot of trouble with BP2, it might be worth trying less BP
And funnel those points into something you can tolerate
cunning urchin
Bouldy for me. But I need to add that I use Convenience Fee at 2 and Lasting Consequences at 0. So the value from the healing is very high.
turbid needle
And 40% more speed on enemies is quite rough as well. Some enemies are insane with the extra speed
raw violet
Bouldy is very good
turbid needle
I use Bouldy as well. It can save you a lot
stoic thicket
I remember the first time going up against the final boss with FO2 on. Man did I get my behind handed to me.
raw violet
I switched to Meg so I can deal with minibosses and bosses a touch faster
fading geyser
I keep using Thanatos (because he's the only one I got upgraded to max so far), but I'm curious who should I upgrade next to try for 32 runs
raw violet
I think Bouldy is the safest option
turbid needle
Than is pretty good for dmg, but Bouldy give you some health, so that's why i use it
raw violet
And most reliable
cunning urchin
Most BP2 enemies don't have Bruiser, which means you can burst through their armor. Then you can just keep them stunlocked. And most Bruisers you can burst through their armor very fast, too, with the right build.
turbid needle
Which weapons you use the most for 32 heat?
fading geyser
I think she's about the same, just more spread out
I use the shield of chaos variant, pretty exclusively for the 32 runs, though I've tried the railgun and bow as well
turbid needle
Arthur Aspect is my fav weapon in the game but its slow moveset can be really bad at such a high heat
cunning urchin
I've only cleared 32 with Demeter Aspect, that's also the weapon I use 90% of the time, anyway. I'm like a Malphon main who dabbles in other aspects once in a while.
raw violet
Yeah, hammer perks that help with armor are especially good for BP enemies
I’ve used all
turbid needle
I've only cleared 32 with Demeter Aspect, that's also the weapon I use 90% of the time, anyway. I'm like a Malphon main who dabbles in other aspects once in a while.
@cunning urchin I tried it once and got pretty far. Love this aspect
raw violet
I had the hardest time on shield, ironically
fading geyser
I've only cleared 32 with Demeter Aspect, that's also the weapon I use 90% of the time, anyway. I'm like a Malphon main who dabbles in other aspects once in a while.
@cunning urchin How do you even master the Malphon? It's the weapon I lose with the most, I just don't get seem to get how to use it
turbid needle
Malphon is all about moving a lot and going very aggressive, at least for me
The punches stun a lot, so it's very good
cunning urchin
Well, I wouldn't say I've mastered it. 32 is still far from what a lot of people can do, and I've failed every 33-heat attempt so far lol.
fading geyser
Heh. Being a shield main, I immediately see why it doesn't work for me then haha
turbid needle
Actually, what i said applies to all melee aspects, i guess lol
fading geyser
I move around a lot too and go aggressive, but with the shield, I can also just block
The reason I'm trying to go all the way with shield is because that's the one I win with the most, and it's the one I cleared 8 and 24 with
(first attempt at both too)
turbid needle
Yeah, indeed. Shield is awesome for dash attacks and such
I love Zeus aspect, i think it's the aspect i have most fun with
cunning urchin
Divine Dash is probably the single most important boon for Malphon. Then on Demeter Aspect, you want ideally Deadly Flourish as your second priority, but Heartbreak Flourish can be great, too.
fading geyser
Chaos for me. But what you're saying makes me want to try to upgrade Zeus fully and try that
Divine Dash is probably the single most important boon for Malphon. Then on Demeter Aspect, you want ideally Deadly Flourish as your second priority, but Heartbreak Flourish can be great, too.
@cunning urchin I am making notes xD. Your words shall now be copy pasted into my "32 attempts" doc 😉
turbid needle
I've been a fan of Chaos from day one, but when i fully upgraded the Zeus aspect, i started to love it. It can be meh when not upgraded, but gets REALLY strong on max upgrade with the right boons
turbid needle
I actually hated Zeus aspect when it was not upgraded haha
fading geyser
Ok, after I finish upgrading Demeter, I'll do Zeus shield next then ^^
pale roost
it can also act as an attack whilst shielding
turbid needle
It gets OP with boons that stack or bounce, like Zeus, Dyo, Artemis
cunning urchin
For hammers, #1 priority is Explosive Upper. The Dash-Upper with Demeter-Aspect just becomes absolutely brutal with that and can easily deal 1000+ damage in an area.
turbid needle
Sorry, Artemis does not apply to what i said lol But it's also great
fading geyser
Ok. I'm gonna go do other stuff now, but man, thanks for all the tips and info guys! I have new ideas on how to attempt the 32 now ^^. Knowing life, the update will come in before that happens, and things will get mixed up, but I'll accept that defeat as well xD
earnest ravine
Demeter with Explosive Chill is pretty good on it, too
One of the better weapons for it imo
turbid needle
And, just to add another pretty good detail on Zeus aspect, it lets you use your shield even when the special is on. Sometimes i get in trouble with Chaos aspect when the shield has not returned yet lol
fading geyser
And, just to add another pretty good detail on Zeus aspect, it lets you use your shield even when the special is on. Sometimes i get in trouble with Chaos aspect when the shield has not returned yet lol
@turbid needle Ooooh. I did not know that. That is awesome
cunning urchin
@earnest ravine you mean Arctic Blast? That's alright, but you only apply Chill 6~7 times with Uppercuts, so you need to do more Uppercuts to get that damage or some other way to apply chill. Deadly Flourish and Heartbreak Flourish would do more damage on the first one, and 1 Dash-Upper can be enough to one-shot most enemies.
But it's definitely a good option.
earnest ravine
yeaah, the exact name of a lot of Demeter's stuff has always escaped me. And I was referreing to the Zeus aspect talk up before your message
Your assessment on the Demeter aspect for Malphon though I'll definitely agree
cunning urchin
And depending on whether you want to force builds with keepsakes or on the RNG you get, it can be pretty good if you just roll with what you get, or they only offered you a common Deadly Flourish and Heartbreak Flourish.
earnest ravine
I don't play enough with the other weapons to be able to weight in as well as people who specialize in them >.>
cunning urchin
@fading geyser good luck!
fading geyser
Thank you ^...^
(It's super cool to see different weapon specialists btw xD. One of the things I love so much about this game is that, the more of my friends play it we talk about our strategies, the more I realize how versatile and robust the weapon system is, and I ADORE it! Instead of there being one singular dominant strategy/combination, there are lots of them, depending on each person's strengths and weaknesses. It's so so soooo damn cool to me ^^ )
turbid arch
Did two 14 heat runs right now.
Probably was the most fun I had playing the game I had for the last weeks.
turbid needle
(It's super cool to see different weapon specialists btw xD. One of the things I love so much about this game is that, the more of my friends play it we talk about our strategies, the more I realize how versatile and robust the weapon system is, and I ADORE it! Instead of there being one singular dominant strategy/combination, there are lots of them, depending on each person's strengths and weaknesses. It's so so soooo damn cool to me ^^ )
@fading geyser One of the best things about this game is the overwhelming amount of different builds you can have. Most aspects are awesome to play with, if you actually put them to test and use different builds
turbid arch
Going for a bit of a lower heated run just made me realize how anti-fun Tight Deadline and Benefits Package are right now.
turbid needle
BP is a real pain, indeed
fading geyser
@fading geyser One of the best things about this game is the overwhelming amount of different builds you can have. Most aspects are awesome to play with, if you actually put them to test and use different builds
@turbid needle Agreed! I've loved how this dev works with weapon aspects since Bastion, and Hades just, perfects the system! It's so sweet
oh, now it looks like I'm agreing with myself xD. haha
turbid needle
@turbid needle Agreed! I've loved how this dev works with weapon aspects since Bastion, and Hades just, perfects the system! It's so sweet
@fading geyser Yeah, it's awesome when you look at all their games and the things they perfected. That's why Hades feels SO good for Early Access standards
fading geyser
It's just amazing
floral maple
just found a really neat combo, poseidon dash (or any knockback boon), second wave, and the poseidon boon that creates an explosion when an enemy hits a wall makes it so an enemy hits wall, gets damaged, gets pushed away again due to second wave. chances are the push from second wave will push them into some wall again, so they take damage again and get pushed away again because the wall-explosion apparently counts as knockback.
So basically its a potentially infinite damage combo
proven robin
That sounds great.
turbid needle
Yeah, poseidon combos are a beast. Specially on Styx, it just melts enemies lol
tepid trail
hey, anyone have any good builds? i've ran 35 times and have never beaten hades
minor dagger
Hades has a lot of health. Just get more dashes xD thats how I always beat him.
turbid needle
think my first clear was with shield and athena stuff
divine dash and divine strike are the big ones
turbid needle
also lightining flourish iirc
tepid trail
with what weapon though i seem to like stygian alot
turbid needle
shield
I mean you can clear with any weapon you like
shield was just the easiest for me
fading geyser
35 doesn't seem excessive, I don't think there's anything to worry about 🙂
The game takes a while to learn
turbid needle
that too
untold vortex
Fists is the weapon i use most atm, followed by sword followed by nothing
fading geyser
xD
dry ember
Hey what works, works.
minor dagger
I have beaten Hades with every weapon and am trying to go to max heat with every weapon
dry ember
Fist or sword, all good.
untold vortex
I've been intending on playing other weapons, then I play either fists of sword 
minor dagger
I do hate the Legendary Spear
dry ember
Max heat with all weapon will be a feat :D
raw violet
nooo
dry ember
I'm just trying to beat 32 with all weapons then I'll retire haha
raw violet
i regret everything about taking a god trial room
turbid needle
Max heat is something i'll never try lol 32 is already nearly impossible right now to me
raw violet
the greed of trials https://i.imgur.com/YYNrxlI.png
minor dagger
id love a talk room here, where we can show our runs to others while talking
fading geyser
Make a Humble Brag channel hehe ^^
dry ember
10:30
turbid needle
Also, i don't have that much fun with too high heats. It just gets painfully frustrating
tepid trail
what's a high heat?
dry ember
@raw violet you speedrunning brah
raw violet
shoulda recorded it
dry ember
20+ is high
turbid needle
At about 20 heat or something it's still very doable, but beyond that it's just cursed
something ur gonna unlock after you beat hades
minor dagger
@tepid trail you get that after you beat hades
tepid trail
ah
dry ember
Since 20+ is "unnecessary"
turbid needle
Yeah, i was doing 32 just because of ||statue|| but idk if it's worth the pain
dry ember
You stop receiving Blood Ambrosia or Diamonds at 21st heat if you already claimed the prior 20.
The statue is a do it once kinda business
turbid needle
I've just been slowly climbing up heats with the different weapons
oh its stops after 20
The statue is a do it once kinda business
@dry ember Yeah, that's my only relief and motivation to keep trying haha
dry ember
or for bragging rights
turbid needle
damn
dry ember
Which is what I live for
raw violet
@dry ember just trying to drop my numbers
dry ember
Well that one hell of a PB mate
raw violet
2 fast 2 sanic
tepid trail
hey is the fist good? i've never used it
dry ember
I'm more jelly of that than the full 32 lol
fading geyser
You stop receiving Blood Ambrosia or Diamonds at 21st heat if you already claimed the prior 20.
@dry ember Is that true? Awh. But I guess it's to prevent getting a large stock for no good reason, and blazing through the future updates?
turbid needle
I was already glad to have a 37 runs streak. It's an awesome feat for my standards lol
raw violet
full 32 is perseverence, really
dry ember
hey is the fist good? i've never used it
Yes.
raw violet
@tepid trail i'm a big fan of fist
dry ember
If you need tips you can ask here.
tepid trail
hmm okay
raw violet
probably the aspect i enjoy playing the most
turbid needle
hey is the fist good? i've never used it
@tepid trail Insanely good with max upgrades and certain builds
dry ember
Some people here are really good at fist and play it a ton
fading geyser
I need to know how to beat any 32 xD
turbid needle
But it's really very good with anything, on my experience. Love it
dry ember
Looking at you Nyaanyaa
raw violet
zag fist goes a long way with minimal investment
turbid needle
You'll eventually end up on a pile of titan blood, no worries
dry ember
Can confirm beat 32 with Zag fist
raw violet
demeter is arguable best-in-slot for max upgrades
turbid needle
Demeter is insanely good
raw violet
same, also did 32 with zag
turbid needle
Actually, anything related to Demeter is very very good haha Love her boons
raw violet
but i think i'll try to get a new pb with demeter
@dry ember i'm pretty sure i could've gotten sub 10 if I didn't skip both miniboss rooms offered in elysium
stoic thicket
Quick question for Demeter fist - do all five hits from the charged up special trigger on-hit boons like Lightning Flourish?
raw violet
my greed got me
dry ember
How did you go so fast?
raw violet
@stoic thicket lightning flourish does not play nice with demeter fist
dry ember
I had a run with charged skewer and d Flourish on like first 4 rooms
But no where near that
steel hazel
What's special about 32?
stoic thicket
Alright, so I guess I'll go Zeus attack and then whatever on the special. Demeter maybe, or Aphro or some.
dry ember
Albeit that's the run lost to Hades on a 32 attempt
raw violet
@dry ember got charged skewer off the bat, epic flourish second room, then just took every shop and chaos gate i could
turbid needle
32 is the last ingame achievement
steel hazel
Ah thanks
dry ember
@steel hazel nothing much. There is a quest that requires you clear 32 once with very very minimal reward
raw violet
made sure i lined up my spear throws to hit multiple
cunning urchin
Prioritize your Special over your Attack with Demeter Aspect. You want that big burst damage.
raw violet
early hunters mark for consistent crits
dry ember
Not worth it except for personal achievement
turbid needle
Demeter fists really benefits from damage boosts for special or crit. Zeus, Dyo, Ares, i don't think they really explore the special potential. But maybe with Chaos boons for damage boost
cunning urchin
Yeah, those three suck on Special.
raw violet
i think whoever wanted to run Zeus on attack would have fun with demeter on special
can get cold fusion
cunning urchin
But on Attack they can be decent.
raw violet
and demeter special is strong enough
turbid needle
On attack i like Zeus and Dyo very much
dry ember
Yeah actually BP eats up so much time
raw violet
BP and MM eat up a lot of time
dry ember
BP gives 5 heat yes?
turbid needle
Athena is quite good on attack as well
raw violet
you can see i only ran FO and TD
cunning urchin
I much prefer Deadly Flourish or Heartbreak Flourish + Lady Athena. But yeah, Lightning Strike + Frost Flourish can be decent.
dry ember
I do wonder if it's worth running CProgram over BP
raw violet
i'm also in deadly flourish with heartbreak strike for the duo goodness
turbid needle
Poseidon special is better than i expected on fists too. It knocks enemies to the other end of the map lol And the damage boost is pretty decent
dry ember
Without BP enemies are easy
raw violet
i thought that, since i find once you break armor, health generally goes quickly + you get stun
turbid needle
Without BP enemies are easy
@dry ember Indeed. BP really upgrades enemies a lot
cunning urchin
I don't like Tempest Flourish on Malphon at all.
raw violet
but CP i feel upgrades bosses too much to make up for time
raw violet
yeah, that's just my impression playing with CP
dry ember
It's a worthy hypothesis
dry ember
I don't like Tempest Flourish on Malphon at all.
But yank and yeet though
raw violet
cause i took off TD
main osprey
I just did yank and yeet yesterday
cunning urchin
Drunken Strike on Malphon is only good if you change your targets a lot and fast to let Hangover do the remaining damage as you move on to other enemies.
main osprey
Was very successful
cunning urchin
Otherwise it's just poor, and on bosses if you're zerging (which probably you are), Drunken Strike DPS is poor with Malphon.
wicked wyvern
I wish I have played long enough to know these abbrieviations
oml
I just hit stuff and watch it die
wicked wyvern
is that the chaos stuff
dry ember
Have you made a successful escape yet?
wicked wyvern
I dont play god mode
cunning urchin
DPS = damage per second.
dry ember
Ok you will see it soon. I don't wanna spoil it.
wicked wyvern
I only say that cause I swear every guide says "go god mod"
dry ember
It doesn't matter what mode you are on.
wicked wyvern
I know
If I dont know abbrieviations
and I havent used god mod
do you think Ive beaten it
thats what I was saying
dry ember
Well nothing wrong with using God Mode
small stirrup
Yeah
wicked wyvern
I mean
dry ember
People play for different reasons
wicked wyvern
Im playing for the game, survival and story as it should be
small stirrup
I play for the unending suffering that is completing 23 heat
wicked wyvern
and I will see you next year once I beat it all
main osprey
It's "intended" to be played in any of the three modes provided
main osprey
...not gonna argue it with you
dry ember
You sound like you assume most people here use God Mode
(and there is nothing wrong with it btw)
wicked wyvern
Nah nah, im not the only one who wants to play it like normal im sure
Its just It throws me off when I go to a guide for tips and tricks and most of them are "go god mod"
raw violet
technically that is a tip slash trick
main osprey
Learn the bosses' patterns on easy mode, then go in on harder
raw violet
but i can concede that if you're looking for a guide to help you get better at the game, it's probably not what you're looking for
small stirrup
I swear Thesus on EM is for some reason easier
main osprey
I haven't actually checked the guides yet, didn't expect there to be any yet
untold vortex
God mode is 100% a viable option if you want to use it, go for it, if not then you don't have to 
raw violet
i have no idea where guides are
wicked wyvern
"wait for them to attack and then attack"
oh ok cool
thanks
if you shift tab on the game
steam has guides sitting in one of the sections
dry ember
There is certain response bias here
small stirrup
wym?
Hades was on the egl before it was on steam
dry ember
People who purposefully look in Steam Guide need help, and God Mode is a good tool.
dry ember
If that's not your cup of tea, cool boon. More power to you. I'm only typing this since you mentioned God Mode is "lame."
small stirrup
ffs
dry ember
Which is infinitely not true
small stirrup
God mode is not 'bad' its a way of playing
Its like assist mode on celeste
Not all of us have speed runner skill and not everyone has the patience to gain that skill
untold vortex
99.9% of guides are user made, if you don't agree with one that's fine there's always another guide made by someone else that may help you
If not asking questions here is always a good option as their will be people here who will be willing to answer them
turbid needle
let’s simmer down here a bit, everyone has a preferred playstyle, and it’s fine if it doesn’t match with yours, so long as everybody is having fun 
neon fiber
hades doesn't even require speed runner skill, it admittedly took me a bit of work to get to the surface
raw violet
but my fun is predicated on that fact that other people play the same way as me
dry ember
Aight we can stop beating the dead horse I suppose
neon fiber
but i think that precisely getting to that point without crutches is part of the fun
raw violet
jkjk
small stirrup
Yeah
raw violet
please don't ban
dry ember
We don't joke around here bro
raw violet
rip me
dry ember
If you haven't cleared 32 Heat yet
floral maple
Hi everyone! It's great to see so much lively discussion going on here around strategy and builds!
We on the mod team would like to remind everyone to keep in mind when interacting here that players are coming from all levels of game completion; experience with roguelike/lite games; experience with video games in general; and skill with Hades in particular. We appreciate that there are many people here who have been here since the beginning and have sunk a lot of time into the game, and who enjoy having high-level discussions about strategy. We ask that everyone be mindful and conscientious of newer players and players with less experience than you who come to this channel for advice.
Put your skill and experience to good use by being helpful and kind!
dry ember
You are terrible /s
neon fiber
imagine joking around
everything we say in here is serious business and contains in no way or form any amount of sarcasm
concepts such as jokes and fun are banned
untold vortex
Mate, because you don't like something doesn't make it invalid so please cool it a little @wicked wyvern
wicked wyvern
Yeah I usually hang in discords that dont need it
grand patrol
i think its a useful tool! sarcasm can be hard to see, esp over text
wicked wyvern
I just assume everythign is banter unless it has a period
neon fiber
p much aye
lament coral
Ok.
neon fiber
Spooky.
wicked wyvern
Atleast thats how I read it, same with caps and screaming
lament coral
OK.
main osprey
did someone say...sinister?
lament coral
it's what I do best!
wicked wyvern
was that
neon fiber
that wot
wicked wyvern
wos personal liability
earnest ravine
Disables one shot protection, Hell Mode exclusive!
dry ember
Pact option exclusive to Hell Mode, which it shouldn't be imo.
small stirrup
I used to wonder why did a shield pop up every now and then
dry ember
Arguably with PL on, high heat Hell Mode is a tiny bit easier than Nomal
wicked wyvern
wait
dry ember
Since it's free heat
wicked wyvern
what the hell one shots you?
main osprey
Yeah, some things hit hard lol
dry ember
what the hell one shots you?
A lot of the things in higher heat options
neon fiber
yeah, personal liability should be available with normal pact on that sounds like fun
wicked wyvern
is higher heat options difficulty
small stirrup
One shots are those beautiful times when enemies just decide to unload their unholy dps unto your innocent hades tush
dry ember
The final boss can potentially swing for 160 damage per
main osprey
Gotta love that +73% damage taken from Chaos
dry ember
is higher heat options difficulty
Depends on how high
small stirrup
Traps are basically hell
wicked wyvern
wait so where do I see heat, like its a bar of value?
small stirrup
Finish the game once first
dry ember
Beat the game first
wicked wyvern
lame
dry ember
The rest will be quite self explanatory
wicked wyvern
/s
earnest ravine
Once you clear a run, somethnig appears by the entrance to Tartarus. it's pretty self-expaliantor from there.
main osprey
Nah, traps aren't hell until you have +450% from two Chaos boons, and take 30 dpt
wicked wyvern
That /s really made several go to three lol
dry ember
It's just to scale up the game, you will have more options to make it even more difficult
wicked wyvern
Right, sounds fun
dry ember
GL!
main osprey
Nice!
main osprey
Though we can't give you Nectar for it
dry ember
You on Steam?
small stirrup
F12 is default
dry ember
Hit F12, then find the screenshot folder
small stirrup
I think?
tepid trail
ah
main osprey
There should also be a prntscrn button on your keyboard
small stirrup
Yeah
dry ember
It's a bit of a hassle
tepid trail
alright
small stirrup
If you want to upload it use gyazo or smthn
dry ember
Then you have to upload it to imgur
Yeah...
Like I said, hassle so you don't have to :D
raw violet
I'm pretty sure it's F11 as default
main osprey
Wait
dry ember
It's F12 bruh
raw violet
unless I changed my own
main osprey
Do y'all not use printscreen to take screenshots?
dry ember
Get with the time.
small stirrup
I set mine as backslash soooo...
raw violet
and don't even know
dry ember
Do y'all not use printscreen to take screenshots?
Yes and no
small stirrup
I mean I use steam for in game ss
dry ember
Steam Overlay does mess with PrintScrn
wicked wyvern
windows is general
main osprey
Wait really?
wicked wyvern
ctrl + alt and prnt screen
main osprey
Never had that issue
wicked wyvern
oh
dry ember
Sometimes you can be in game and it takes the shot of the steam client behind the game
dry ember
I do, quite often.
small stirrup
I just use shareX to takes ss on windows in general
wicked wyvern
yeah I also use shareX
wicked wyvern
or lightshot
tepid trail
wait i have a png of it but why cant i paste
main osprey
You need to upload and link
wicked wyvern
ctrl +v
main osprey
Imgur works
dry ember
Link it to a imgur or something
wicked wyvern
oh I see
tepid trail
ah
wicked wyvern
makes sense
dry ember
Lol sorry
wicked wyvern
upload it to mediafire
dry ember
You don't have to post if it's too much hassle.
tepid trail
tepid trail
2nd try with fists lets go
tepid trail
i didnt get dionysus 😦
wicked wyvern
I love that thing
dry ember
28 mins clear time. He does be cheating eh.