Either stay away from the yellow ones and focus on the others first, or take out the yellow ones first with burst damage to give you more freedom to move.
#h1-builds-and-combat
cunning urchin
I honestly only pay attention to yellow and purple. The others are no real problem.
wintry plume
the problem with me is that there's too much going on in so little space
Do you have a sequence for taking them down?
edgy sparrow
lateral dodging works well to dodge the 2nd phase's arrow attacks, and don't trust the pillars. I've been hit many times trying to block it with the pillars.
cunning urchin
Purple shoot the purple waves.
mighty ermine
red actually shoot the waves
cunning urchin
Pillars are fine for avoiding the damage.
mighty ermine
purple spew lava pools
cunning urchin
Isn't it the other way around?
edgy sparrow
I personally take out out the wave shooters first, as their projectiles are quick and can catch you off guard
mighty ermine
nope, you would think so though
raw violet
you need to hug the pillars second phase to really avoid the rapid fire projectiles
edgy sparrow
I've tried to hug the pillars, but I still get hit? I just dodge them
mighty ermine
it is funny how if you swapped red and purple's colors it would suit their abilities more appropriately
wintry plume
They did that on purpose maybe
mighty ermine
to getcha
sly sonnet
I just had the fastest hades fight ever
Beat him in like under a minute
and got the perfect clear title for taking no damage
(Not god mode and 8 heat)
wintry plume
Ok so
Yellow: ground slam
Pink: Lava split
Green: bloodless summon
Red: waves
Waves are a pain so first red, then green, then yellow and I think i can manage the lava so i'll kill the pink ones last
cunning urchin
Focus a bit less on the order and more on staying clear from the main head.
edgy sparrow
I don't usually have issues with the lava either, no
wintry plume
alright thanks everyone, i'll tell you when i beat it
edgy sparrow
Keep at it, practice makes perfect!
mighty ermine
godspeed!
edgy sparrow
And if at first you do not succeed, die die die again!
sly sonnet
Yup its amazing how good you can get at this game
cunning urchin
The waves will naturally miss a lot if you just keep clear from the main head because they don't keep up with your movement. And staying clear from it also makes it easier to dodge them because there's less going on near you.
sly sonnet
Like me and my friend were really bad at the game when we started
but now we are consistently wining
just keep at it
half tapir
oof I didn't even realize the heads were colorcoded
edgy sparrow
And yeah, I love roguelikes. All it takes is a few runs and it's impossible to not get better!
dry ember
Keep your head cool.
wintry plume
right? I lost to Meg so much i literally started a new savefile out of rage
Now i defeated Tisiphone and Alecto first try
My proudest accomplishment so far
i'm happy
dry ember
The visual can be scary
cunning urchin
Also use your summon and your call(s) during the 5-head phase to burst through.
dry ember
But the Hydra attacks have a significant cooldown.
If you dodge something, you have a couple of seconds before focusing on dodging again
Keep your head cool. Don't let the fancy animation confuse you.
wintry plume
it's a bit early for summons 
but yeah artemis' call for example seems effective
Poseidon tho i'm afraid it can launch me off map in the lava
Zeus is also cool i think
edgy sparrow
Most of their attacks also have a pretty long wind-up animation
dry ember
Also grats on beating the Sisters!
wintry plume
thank you ❤️
cunning urchin
Imo you should be taking zero damage when it's just 1 head. There's no reason to take any damage at all. Attacks are entirely predictable and easily avoided with pillars (projectiles) or distance (head slams).
wintry plume
Yeah i defeated alecto just thanks to the shield lol
dry ember
FO2 main head projectile spam is near impossible to dodge
wintry plume
Yeah my problem is not the main head
cunning urchin
So if you're taking damage there, slow down, and be more patient.
dry ember
But otherwise you shouldn't take damage against one or two heads.
wintry plume
i can just spam the long range attack right? To avoid the slams
dry ember
Yeet
cunning urchin
FO2 projectiles are nowhere near impossible to dodge on EM2. 
wintry plume
The bad thing is the shield one is weak
also now what do i do with the sword?
dry ember
And I mean the one where the thing just vomit projectiles
Not the baby 5 or 6 projectiles one
wintry plume
w-what
FO2? EM2? ??
cunning urchin
Yes. It's very doable, though.
dry ember
They are pact of Punishment options
wintry plume
i just run for my life for those i guess
wintry plume
oooh extreme measures right
cunning urchin
Yes, and Forced Overtime.
dry ember
@cunning urchin well you go girl, I eat one or two projectiles everytime.
wintry plume
Oh don't worry i spoiled myself all the gameplay so i would be prepared before jumping into the game : D
edgy sparrow
I usually dodge them too ¯_(ツ)_/¯
raw violet
standing behind Lernie's head will allow you to attack and completely avoid all projectiles
dry ember
FO2 EM2+ though?
edgy sparrow
that, or just use the shield and tank them 😅
raw violet
helpful on sword
wintry plume
i also try to dodge them or reflect them
but idk if i can spam attack with stygius to reflect all the missils lol
dry ember
I mean I can occasionally dodge it
raw violet
just have to watch for the telegraphed head slam, save a dodge for it
cunning urchin
Yeah, Lernie is not very good at turning around when shooting projectiles.
dry ember
But usually I'm fine eating one or two
What? 28 damage max for that fight?
Big whoop
wintry plume
(also now i just remembered: for the megagorgon miniboss fight who do you take out first? The skull crusher or the gorgon?)
cunning urchin
Whichever dies first. I don't discriminate.
dry ember
If not focus on the Gorgon Head I think
raw violet
gorgon usually, only because it is available for damage for majority of fight
edgy sparrow
I prefer the gorgon
dry ember
With companion I usually can kill both at the same time.
half tapir
I run with shield usually and I find it's best to take out the crusher first, because you can bait the gorgon shots into it to petrify it
wintry plume
oh alright thanks it's the most difficult one for me
dry ember
Yeah you can see the shadow on the ground right?
wintry plume
yeah if i can reflect the stones i would go for gorgon first, if not i just dash around
dry ember
Sorry if this sounds like a very basic question
wintry plume
also, yup and it' pretty big
cunning urchin
Just get Divine Strike and Divine Dash with Malphon and punch everything. 
dry ember
Crutch
wintry plume
although i just learned a trick for that: stand still until it stops the go away so you don't waste time with it
cunning urchin
Strategy.
wintry plume
still have to get malphon i want to get good with varatha first
dry ember
Varatha is pain
edgy sparrow
it's a strategy, but it's a strategy that will not teach you how to deal with it
edgy sparrow
Personally I don't like malphon lol
raw violet
Varatha is pain
cunning urchin
It will teach you how to deal with it effectively.
raw violet
Guan Yu is life
half tapir
while we're asking advice, any tips on butterfly ball? I took a long break and when I came back and got it for the first time it killed my run D:
dry ember
Several people are typing 🍿
edgy sparrow
well any attack destroys the little butterflies
cunning urchin
Uppercut!
half tapir
just the meg companion
dry ember
Good enough
I usually save one charge for it.
And blow through the armor
That fight is my fav
half tapir
should I try to manage the heroes or just burst down the ball
cunning urchin
Hit 12 times > Uppercut > repeat till dead.
dry ember
I kill the exalted within dash range
edgy sparrow
I usually manage the heroes first, but if you find that you're taking more damage from the ball...
raw violet
if yes, then focus ball
wintry plume
well i attacked with varatha the first time and
half the trojan army was slaughtered by this gloryfied fishstick
dry ember
But usually companion and my own burst damage ends the fight within 7s
So exalted wasn't a problem.
raw violet
if not then it's probably better to occasionally focus ghosts
dry ember
Just save a companion charge for that fight.
half tapir
😮
dry ember
Lul
cunning urchin
If I have the DPS and movement, I kill the shades in 1~3 hits before they can revive heroes while mainly focusing on butterflies.
half tapir
Even with around 25 percent boost from butterfly, the shield still has poop damage
dry ember
:3
mighty ermine
it typically isn't hard to pick off the cells souls before they form into full exalted if you're taking a while with the fight
dry ember
Yeah I just kill the ones within dash range and get back to the ball.
At worst you have to deal with 2 exalted max
If everything goes right, none.
cunning urchin
With Malphon they just feed my counter for Demeter uppercut.
edgy sparrow
I suppose I'm too spoiled by other roguelikes to use short range weapons 😂
half tapir
shield isn't short range /pout
edgy sparrow
Isaac, Nuclear Throne, Starward Rogue, and a bit of Gungeon
raw violet
technically, i think at worst you could end up with many more than just 2 exalted
mighty ermine
perhaps grab some elongated knuckles crafted by daedalus if you prefer more range
dry ember
Technically you are right
edgy sparrow
true, but that's only a chance to happen
cunning urchin
The uppercut has a lot of range, honestly.
cunning urchin
Dash-strike is great too with a wide hitbox.
cunning urchin
Best damage for it, slow startup.
But yeets Zagreus into enemies.
Basically Zagreus himself becomes the ranged attack projectile.
mighty ermine
i much prefer explosive upper on demeter to the kick, myself
edgy sparrow
I mean, who doesn't want their punches to make explosions
mighty ermine
rapid successive explosions when charged, no less
edgy sparrow
🤜 💥
mighty ermine
it's gorgeous
cunning urchin
But I wouldn't turn down the kick if offered.
edgy sparrow
I have ONE question, and ONE QUESTION ONLY for you! EXPLOOOOOSIONS??
dry ember
Do you become useless right after too?
cunning urchin
For the next 12 hits.
untold vortex
@turbid needle please discuss feedback from the #hades-feedback channel here. The #hades-feedback is purely intended for people to post feedback pertaining to their experiences with the current patch, thankyou ^_^
turbid needle
Maybe I want clear with my statement. I am not colorblind. But the fact that hydra heads come in different colors was unnoticed completely by myself.
novel prawn
@turbid needle I gave you a reply in #h1-discussion , Justin, did you see that? (I didn't realise the discussion would move here when I replied to you)
raw violet
i don't notice them either, but that's just how i play
turbid needle
I have done 400 runs in this game and this is mind-blowing to me.
untold vortex
Justin i understand but if you want clarification on something in #hades-feedback , ask here please
novel prawn
yeah, it took me like 100 runs to realize the different hydra heads colors too
what can you do, eh?
turbid needle
Aggy my feedback would be that the coloration of the heads is way too subtle for me to ever notice.
Want asking for a clarification.
Wasn't*
novel prawn
I mean... you could have put it in that way when you wrote in feedback, not ask a question in there 😛
turbid needle
I thought it would have been clear enough from the context but I guess I was too optimistic in my assessment.
novel prawn
I mean... it wasn't explicit...
it is possible to deduce what you meant, but there's tons of feedback in there
raw violet
i think it would be good feedback, i'm too deep into the game now for it to make a difference, but the fact that multiple players with 100+ runs not noticing is probably not the developer's intention
untold vortex
Phrasing as a, "it would be nice if the differant heads where more distinguishible" over an explicit question would have helped tbh
turbid needle
Posted new version hope it's clear enough.
untold vortex
Yeah, that's clear ^_^
novel prawn
I got baited by flamewheels too bro, happens to the best of us
guess we'll get used to it
torpid abyss
Literally i do fine until the flamewheels appear
Flamewheels make Erebus less of a challenge and more of "unfun mess"
novel prawn
well, technically it's still a challenge, just more frustrating, cuz now you have to do the thing where you dash around and hope flamewheels hit a pillar and explode away from you
torpid abyss
Which... isn't fun
In a videogame
Everybody knows that if a videogame does something that cannot be correlated to fun by human means then it's wrong
novel prawn
I know, but... challenges don't all have to be fun, that's not the essence of a challenge
torpid abyss
It's not even a challenge if you don't have full control of your options
mystic vale
There's always columns in there you can trick them into running in to, if you lack a shield/ranged attack.
novel prawn
like... I will get upset when stuff like that happens to me, and I will say the game is bad, but... I'm still gonna play it... it's hard to admit it, but I think it's nice for a game to have an ammount of challenges that are more frustrating than fun... as long as it does it in a small enough measure to keep the game overall fun
mystic vale
One of the few critters you can kill with an un-booned dash. :p
(I think the issue is you didn't know the flamewheels will suicide on columns/bushes if they collide with them.)
torpid abyss
Look sometimes i try to hit and immeditatly dash
torpid abyss
Personally i feel there should be a bigger delay between the death and explosion, but with a larger range
mystic vale
You can go to the bot channel and ?rank Early Access and add that to the feedback channel if you like.
I will tell you it will probably get downvoted though.
(Although ranking in the early access is a good idea anyhow for other feedback.)
torpid abyss
Eh, my feedback does well in upvotes usually
But not once has it been adressed formaly, although i talk mostly about QoL
mystic vale
Well, most people on the Discord are dealing with FO 2 Flamewheels. :p
torpid abyss
Like a sound effect when calls like Ares and Poseidon end when using the base call
novel prawn
@torpid abyss I think you're taking it too seriously... I see your point, but I don't think I'd want the devs to change the game just cuz it's harder to adapt to a few mobs... and yeah, I may be putting it lightly considering all the headaches I've been through with flamewheels myself, but you kinda get used to them in the end, I think
mystic vale
And yes, it's a jerk move to have them in Erebus, but Hades is a big jerk.
That's kind of the game's plot.
torpid abyss
"You get used to the unfun parts of the game" isn't quite a good philosophy for a game actively trying to look for feedback
1.0 is still far away, and every little thing can, and most probably, will change
novel prawn
plus if Hades didn't put flamewheels in erebus, you might not get enough to complete the codex entry for onions
mystic vale
Chess has some unfun parts, but it's largely unchanged in several thousand years. :p
torpid abyss
What parts of it are unfun?
novel prawn
I mean... I find chess is boring, but I suck at it
mystic vale
Actually, uh, they're releasing this year, meaning they need things pretty much settled by August. Not a whole lot of it is going to change.
torpid abyss
The part where you can combine the rook and the bishop after sacrificing 5 pawns to create MegaChessatron?
mystic vale
Depends who you ask. 😉
naive tusk
@mystic vale I'd appreciate it if you could discuss without seeming mocking 
mystic vale
And since what's unfun to you is someone else's favourite part...
sudden dagger
I think the feedback is easier to hear when you try and describe your experience rather than the potential fixes
torpid abyss
Yeah, true
Like i just talked about fishing in Elysium being nigh impossible
Because white FX on white background
Like... they should address that
mystic vale
Ah, well then I'm not going to be able to converse at all since I apparently always come across that way.
novel prawn
And since what's unfun to you is someone else's favourite part...
@mystic vale I wouldn't say flamweheels are anyone's favourite part, but hey, who knows... I guess they're pretty average for me at least...
sudden dagger
I have so far only found one fishing spot in Elysium, and it was from a bridge. Only noticed it because of the interaction text
novel prawn
yeah, the lighting in Elysium makes it hard to see fishing spots, unless you search every nook and cranny
torpid abyss
You still have to see that bite effect
Which is as hard to see as the spot itself
Twice the reason to change it
sudden dagger
Maybe it's like of like part of the depth of the game - once you find the fishing spots in this context, it's so much more satisfying because they're harder to see
torpid abyss
...I don't think so
Like, saying the flaws of a game are the dev's deliberate move in their 4D chess game?
That's silly
sudden dagger
Thing is, there's no objectively better way to adjust every part of the game, when people subjectively enjoy different things
torpid abyss
It's objectively hard to see a white particle float on a white background
sudden dagger
You can't say it's always better to see the fishing spots when someone else enjoys the Easter egg hunt aspect
sudden dagger
It's true for you but not for everybody
edgy sparrow
There's enjoyably hard to find, and there's nearly impossible to find
edgy sparrow
I've seen an elysium fishing spot once, and it was because the fog wasn't in that particular spot
torpid abyss
A secret in doom? Fun to find
sudden dagger
@edgy sparrow that's true. That's why I think sgg is collecting data and running statistics. They're probably counting how many people miss them
neon fiber
yeah the elysium fishing spots are hell to find
torpid abyss
The literal thing the game wants you to find and even rings a literal bell when one is near?
You should just walk up to it
edgy sparrow
also everyone puts the banana emote on me 😂
torpid abyss
I don't think SGG wants to make fishing spots hard to find
naive tusk
There's been a great amount of 👍 whenever someone posts about fishing spots in Elysium being hard to find. I don't have any problem in finding them myself, but I can't speak for other people who have trouble finding them, for example.
torpid abyss
It isn't just finding them tho
The flash when they bite is hard to see too
They should like... Add a ! sign over it?
dry ember
I swear the game trolls me with Elysium fishing spot
I usually hear the ding between doors
neon fiber
lmao god fishing mode
naive tusk
@torpid abyss Why don't you submit that as feedback? It's actually great
I meant the "!" comment lol
torpid abyss
Hahah yes
edgy sparrow
the ! is really good
raw violet
Also just one comment for feedback. I couldn’t vote on your previous fishing comment cause it was two pieces in one
sudden dagger
I would enjoy being able to train the fishing skill and improve the rng
novel prawn
I need that mode for Chaos Realm, I never got a fishing point there yet, lol
mighty ermine
i don't personally have trouble with the flash even in elysium but that ! idea is solid, you should def add it as feedback
dry ember
With the ! can we play the Metal Gear Solid sound too please
sudden dagger
@novel prawn I think it's bugged
torpid abyss
Hmh
I mean
by fishing god mode
I meant, zag gets a ! on his head whenever the fish bites
That's it
That's the fishing god mode
With escalating odds for legendary fish
novel prawn
@novel prawn I think it's bugged
@sudden dagger you think so? I wasn't sure if I should report it, or just wait until maybe something happens
torpid abyss
So every rare fish makes the next legendary fish more likely
sudden dagger
I couldn't figure out how fishing worked so I had to look it up online
torpid abyss
Aight i'll drop the feedback
raw violet
You gonna make me scroll that far back, peach?
mighty ermine
@valid magnet conversational "response" type messages to feedback are best left for this channel
valid magnet
Ohhh
naive tusk
It can't be as bad as searching through 20+ pages to find a link, right?
Just kidding, you don't have to lol
dry ember
:3
torpid abyss
It is done
naive tusk
Doggo, why you so cute
mighty ermine
artemis and hermes said no other olympians allowed https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/654076105321480226/715688183572201523/20200528150209_1.jpg
dry ember
It's so green
sudden dagger
@dry ember even you press the boon menu when first entering the room, does the chamber number there persist?
mighty ermine
you can now play as luigi
sudden dagger
*When
raw violet
The white flash during fishing is hard/impossible to see in some areas of Elysium.
As a side note fishing, to me, feels... unfun, not because of it breaking the flow of the game or anything, but rather because of the tight windows for the QTE and how stressful it feels just to roll the dice for whether or not you get a "good" fish even if you had impeccable timing.
@Net.Ray#9890
I’d love to help you express your concern about the visualization issues here. I do not care to have that vote muddied by the second paragraph (which I would simply just not vote on)
sudden dagger
Ah, that's how I open the boon menu
torpid abyss
What is there to explain?
naive tusk
Now that Krashercorr brought it up, I just want to remind everyone about rule number 4 of #hades-feedback :
4. Post one piece of feedback at a time. Provide context, though keep it concise.
So, be sure to separate them if you have more than 1 piece of feedback
torpid abyss
White FX on white background
It's hard to see it from a glance, simply put
Oh, that explains it. Do i delete the feedback, then
naive tusk
Krashercorr means that you should separate it like this:
- The white flash during fishing is hard/impossible to see in some areas of Elysium.
- As a side note fishing, to me, feels... unfun, not because of it breaking the flow of the game or anything, but rather because of the tight windows for the QTE and how stressful it feels just to roll the dice for whether or not you get a "good" fish even if you had impeccable timing.
sudden dagger
@dry ember as long as you don't have to see the chamber number all the time. I like not thinking about it most of the time
naive tusk
Because people won't be agreeing to both necessarily.
sly sonnet
I wish fishing was like in stardew valley
raw violet
Yeah, I wasn’t asking for an explanation. I think it’s great feedback that you have a hard time seeing fishing spots in Elysium.
dry ember
It can be a toggle. Like how we can toggle the timer
raw violet
Whether or not I agree with you about it being unfun is entirely subjective
And not necessarily something I agree with but I can also respect it
dry ember
Literally waiting hours for a bite?
torpid abyss
The pinnacle of fishing in videogames
sly sonnet
Yes can't wait supergiants next game
Hades 2: Poseidon's bounty
where you just fish
naive tusk
@raw violet Have some hearts for taking the trouble, even after saying that it wasn't necessary 💛 🖤
novel prawn
fishing is supposed to be another way to get resources, like gems, nectar etc.... it's not meant to be a core mechanic in Hades, I think
mighty ermine
zagreus reaches the surfaces and just immediately makes a beeline to uncle poseidon to fish forever
mossy breach
You play as Hades and try to scape tartarus and the final boss is Zagreus
dry ember
And the entire game is just quick time events
edgy sparrow
I mean, it's also meant to be a fun diversion
raw violet
I do it for the goodwill so I can be occasionally grumpy
edgy sparrow
No, Hades 2 is a tycoon game where you manage all of the underworld
sly sonnet
That just gave me an idea
edgy sparrow
and Zag constantly messes it up, so you have to redesign everything
sly sonnet
imagine if god mode was zagreus piggyback rides thanatos and you play as him
mossy breach
Do hades go invis mode randomly or does he do it by a reaction to your actions?
Like i had a fully charged call, and just when I used it he went invisible
it has happened several times
novel prawn
Do hades go invis mode randomly or does he do it by a reaction to your actions?
@mossy breach I think it's random... either that, or a part of his moveset that he uses at certain periods of time, but I don't think he does it as a reaction to what you're doing
sly sonnet
I have noticed if I start the fight by casting he goes invisible more often
but yeah I think its random
raw violet
I’ll second third I think it’s random
mighty ermine
fourthed for random
mossy breach
It alwyas reminds me of the "nooo you cant just" meme
mighty ermine
invisibility cloak goes brrr
mossy breach
haha hades goes poof
novel prawn
I had something similar happen to me with the tiny vermin... I used my companion, and just when the damage was supposed to hit him, he burried underground... that scoundrel
dry ember
Do enemies with teleport (either through MM or BP) use the teleport on cooldown?
mighty ermine
i'm pretty sure, yeah
dry ember
Ok that's how I feel too
mighty ermine
the MM soul catcher and gorgon certainly feel consistently timed
maybe harder to tell with chaotic BP enemies sometimes
but probably
dry ember
Yup. I'm still bamboozled a couple of time lol
I think BP also tp on cooldown
But since you agrro them at different time
It's nice to have a confirmation.
mighty ermine
now imagine teleporting flame wheels without any such cooldown
and the slow down aura 😈
raw violet
no
sly sonnet
Flame wheels that teleport in front of you 
raw violet
do not put that evil on me
mighty ermine
the most concentrated, dense evil in the game
inside those little meowing monsters
sly sonnet
Is there any explanation as to why flame wheels meow
mighty ermine
they have little lion faces
manic ermine
The big chariots are designed after the Nemean lion
mighty ermine
themed after the nemean lion
manic ermine
so small ones are nemean kittens
sly sonnet
oh thats cool
dry ember
slow aura on witches
is terrible if you have melee weapons
it's more annoying than it sounds.
mighty ermine
it can get annoying sometimes when they're armored, because no flinches for a second and their little projectiles don't activate the big hit shield
so you can just get pelted if you're not careful
edgy sparrow
@celest mason it says "Press E to catch..." when you begin fishing
celest mason
Is it bc I'm on controller?
celest mason
I'm pretty sure it's not on controller. Let me edit it
edgy sparrow
I would assume it's the bottom face button?
but that's just a guess based on controller design
celest mason
It's RB, the same button used to start a fish
But it's unclear, esp considering the tight timing
edgy sparrow
oh, fair enough
but yeah, if it's anything like M&K, it disappears super quickly
so maybe it should linger around until you actually press it?
median panther
most pacts and best time yet
a shame I wasnt a few seconds faster so that the timer was 33.33.33
Triple Bomb is a beast
proven robin
It is very fun!
magic dagger
This felt like my first real run, TD and FO make everything so much more intense
Jacking up both of them for the next one
magic dagger
Yeah, it was because of TD and FO
It's like a whole 'nother game
also, I used companion every major fight
gonna try the mewmew special next
untold vortex
Pog
magic dagger
All I'm gonna say is that I need Patty
RIP me
Seeking spreaders got most of my DDs in asphodel, and I fell to EM3 because Chariotman's rockets weren't outlined on the floor
sudden dagger
Lol I did better against hydra this time with a slow curse than I did last few times without
magic dagger
So I had no idea I was about to be exploded
sudden dagger
Smh all y'all and your heats. I'm about at 70 attempts now and still only faced Hades 3 times
This time though, I have the rail with the slowing rockets, and rapid festive fog cast. Might go further than normal
magic dagger
Beat him this time @sudden dagger.
sudden dagger
Gotta get past theseus first
sudden dagger
Oh and I have the Zeus lighting festive fog! First time
magic dagger
pffft everything before you is dead already. They just don't know it yet
sudden dagger
And the butterfly!
I didn't know you could get multiple duos? I have posidon lightning now
I have 3 duos now??? Posidon and dyonisis
AND a rare Elysium fish sighting
Basic question probably: if I stack two dooms on an enemy, will it do damage for both stacks
Or does it act like you only stacked once
tepid ridge
No. It will only stack again after the first stack’s damage is dealt
Unless you have a certain boon that modifies how that works
silver solstice
I would like to thank [Redacted] for repeating his super telegraphed attack like 6 times in a row to close out our fight so I could finally get a clear with the sword
sudden dagger
I should have taken dire misfortune instead of the other one :(
tepid ridge
What did you take?
sudden dagger
Impending doom
tepid ridge
Impending doom is arguably better except on really fast-hitting weapons
sudden dagger
Because dire misfortune only does 10 extra damage per stack
magic dagger
Impending doom is a lot of extra damage
tepid ridge
Imo anyway
sudden dagger
Hmm, ok. I'm only stacking 3 times so maybe it will work out to be better
tepid ridge
Yea impending doom is one of the few boons that keeps doom as a status effect functional in the late game
sudden dagger
No the minotaur got me
magic dagger
HAdes: "Trespasser!"
Me, on TD: "I'll just be going."
the dialogue in this game is too good
nimble dove
https://imgur.com/a/RaKgbjj I just kinda made this, and it was shredding bosses
Even had Hide Breaker
sudden dagger
@magic dagger my favorite line so far: upon beating hydra one of the times, Hades voiceover: "He has a family, you know."
@nimble dove I used cluster bombs once, but couldn't aim them effectively on controller
If they had a mode to always put all 5 on the same dot, I'd get them every time
Did you use controller?
nimble dove
No but i also just went into the bosses face and clustered them all together
sudden dagger
When I tried to clustet them together they'd tend to spiral around and hit nothing
nimble dove
wtm by spiral around?
sudden dagger
When I tried to aim them, I'd move the joystick but instead of coming together, the circles would rotate
Thus spiralling in a sense
nimble dove
Maybe there was some sort of aim assist preventing you from clustering them together?
I was getting some of that when there were multiple enemies around me
and a bit for the Elysium Heroes
magic dagger
Chaos shield with doom special is kind of awesome
Best combo for TD2 i've found so far
Title: "The Big Five-Oh"
What does it mean?
magic dagger
Oh, makes sense
dry ember
Where is that Reddit link what all the titles?
mighty ermine
oh that's useful, didn't know there was a compilation of them
dry ember
yeah some one definitely posted a neat link somewehre
Found the Reddit link, but here is the wiki link for a more "official" feel
magic dagger
guan yu charged skewer feels a lot smoother and easier to use than the normal skewer
It seems like there's less cooldown?
raw violet
there is almost none
charged skewer removes the cooldown and gives it the ramp up
but you can spam special pretty quickly at minimum charge
magic dagger
It's a build!
Charged skewer really doesn't seem like it should feel so much like the equivalent of quick spin
dry ember
what do you mean?
charged skewer and quick spin are fairly distinct to me, unless I'm misunderstanding you.
magic dagger
sure they're different, but they both have the primary effect of making the move they modify smoother - less charge up and cooldown time
tight solstice
whats the best aspect for malphon?
unkempt pagoda
imo demeter
tight solstice
what makes it good or rather why do you like it
unkempt pagoda
it's normal fists but every 12 hits you get to delete an enemy off the screen
tight solstice
i havent played much since like last fall haha
oh really
lol
i like the sound of that
unkempt pagoda
multiple enemies if you use explosive upper
tight solstice
hows it against bosses
unkempt pagoda
you'll need a couple of blood in it first before it gets good, but it's amazing
tight solstice
so then you're just playing around the special then with this
median panther
holy smokes
tight solstice
ah
median panther
winter harvest actually works on the final boss
median panther
I got super taken by surprise by that
unkempt pagoda
great against bosses bc it's great on single target (multitarget with explosive upper)
the best way to farm blood is to keep winning, basically
win with different weapons
occasionally you'll get a special deal with the broker or you'll have enough money for the styx blood, but this really isn't consistent unless you go out of your way to farm money for styx for a few runs
naive tusk
Should I play Hades or watch some Civilization 6 footage?
untold vortex
both 😛
tight solstice
after the last patch where they added the biome after elysium i dont think i've beaten it haha, granted i haven't played at all
naive tusk
I can't multitask that much, Aggy 
naive tusk
Roger!
unkempt pagoda
@tight solstice if you want to, don't be afraid to turn on god mode!
tight solstice
i don't even know what that is
ah i see
nah it's cool, the difficulty makes it so i have to get better. will beat it eventually 😛
unkempt pagoda
👍
tight solstice
although i wish there was a better way to see what daedalus upgrades i could get in game
are chaos rooms worth opening
i feel like i never got anything worth it from it so i don't even bother, not sure if anything changed since i last played
unkempt pagoda
imo yes they are
naive tusk
Ooooh they are! Sometimes, Chaos will offer +70 HP which is worth 3 chambers of Centaur Hearts! 😍
Or crazy damage boons like +90% Special damage or something like that. They are awesome~
stoic thicket
Extra cast stones, extra Darkness or money...
If you can in any way take the damage and the curse for a few rooms then totally go for it.
tight solstice
I see. I'll have to check it out again
are there any guides or resources on which rooms are better to take?
stoic thicket
And depends a lot on what you're trying to do.
errant narwhal
you might like a lot of health if youre starting out, but poms are pretty good as well, and money is underrated
theres no bad room reward
hammers and hermes are always good ofc
torpid abyss
Usually the priorities are boons>gold>poms
tight solstice
yeah i typically go that
torpid abyss
Hammers tend to be above 1 boon, below double boon chambers
Unless your weapon really wants it
tight solstice
yeah i think i do hammer>boon>gold>pom just wanted to see how others are playing
naive tusk
My priority is: heart > hammer > boon > obol > pom
Gotta get em hearts ❤️
I'm not biased
stoic thicket
I do something similar except I usually prioritize health less if I already have >200 life.
And hammers depend a lot on the weapon I'm using. On, say, Guan Yu I prioritize them a lot higher than on, say, Hera Bow.
tight solstice
whats guan yu
stoic thicket
A spear aspect, you'll get to that at some point.
tight solstice
oh ok, was about to say what does chinese 3 kingdoms have to do with greek mythology lol
naive tusk
Ooh, are you new to Hades? Welcome
tight solstice
uhhhh sort of, i got the game last year around like.. summer ish, but only played it very casually, basically didnt play much after i beat it a couple times as i wanted to wait for major patches, just picked it back up a few days ago and thought it would be good to hop on the discord to see if i could learn more because i suck haha
mighty ermine
hmm, regarding chamber reward priority, hammer changes depending on the weapon for me
i.e. very high for bow, rather low for shield
tight solstice
yeah that makes sense
i need to paly with the hammer upgrades more, i feel like some of them changed since i last played
mighty ermine
oh definitely, if you last played around last summer
tight solstice
yeah.. feels like a bit of a different game at times haha
cunning urchin
Poms > obols for me. I almost always play with Convenience Fee at 2, so poms are worth 180 obols, but obol chambers will only give 100 obols.
tight solstice
that makes sense, i don't think i've ever really touched the contract yet, haha
cunning urchin
I think without Convenience Fee I'd still lean towards poms just because of the immediate payoff. But it depends on how much I think it will matter for my build.
Hmm. I guess if I get 100 obols in Tartarus, then by the time I reach Styx it's worth 151 obols with Golden Touch. So in Tartarus I should prioritize obols if I have Convenience Fee at only 0 or 1.
Obol chamber reward values with Golden Touch:
Tartarus to Styx: 151
Asphodel to Styx: 132
Elysium to Styx: 115
Styx: 100
tight solstice
nice good to know
cunning urchin
That's assuming you don't spend it before Styx, of course.
tight solstice
should i not be spending before styx?
i guess in styx there is sometimes the optiosn to buy some of those items for 1500
mighty ermine
preference, really
spending throughout or saving for styx are both viable
same with trying to strike a balance between the two of course
cunning urchin
With Golden Touch, you get more value the less you spend before Styx. But you shouldn't sabotage a good run just for that. If I see something good or need healing or a DD, I'll buy it.
lethal tangle
I usually aggressively buy from ships early on as getting two good boons from a shop early can get you set up well.
But if you have a decent build going and aren't looking for the specific buff the shop is offering consider saving for Styx
cunning urchin
I also buy the +30% attack and +10% movement speed very often.
lethal tangle
Are you taking the well keepsake?
lethal tangle
Just like them that much?
cunning urchin
They still mean you get hit less, so you're saving money for healing and DDs.
lethal tangle
I tend to try and save for shops so I can hopefully snag two good boons
Sorry not sure what DD is?
dry ember
Death Door
tight solstice
hmm interesting. yeah i should buy buffs more
lethal tangle
What is your guys general rotation of keepsakes through a run?
Mine is usually boon/boon/acorn/tooth
dry ember
It depends on my mood
A generic run is whatever needed
Including but not limited to Gods Coin Purse Bracer Spearpoint Shawl even Cerberus keepsake
cunning urchin
I would only take the Lucky Tooth if I have 0 DDs and low HP. Any other time, there are better keepsakes for survival.
tight solstice
i legit just use cerberus keepsake the entire time hahaha, probably not playing that right
tepid ridge
Same, mood and build. A lot of times I’ll add in a cthonic coin purse or the chaos egg if I’m working toward something. Usually I’m trying to force boons though and take either a tooth or Cerberus’ extra HP.
mighty ermine
typically for either speedy runs or 32 heat, it's boon/boon/hourglass or acorn/many different things depending on where i'm at before styx
dry ember
But a strategized run include God God Acorn Acorn for me.
Usually. Being flexible is always necessary. But the game plan is God God Acorn Acorn for me.
lethal tangle
I'm just trying to get as much titan blood as possible right now so I usually go for something generic
dry ember
Coin Purse God Shawl Acorn sequence works well for me for a generic run.
But try something that works for you!
lethal tangle
Coin purse is great.
I really like that one. Have also been vibing with chaos egg and then trying to get as many gates as possible through wells
cunning urchin
Boon > boon > Black Shawl/boon > depends.
dry ember
A real player uses Arrow Arrow Arrow Arrow
cunning urchin
No.
dry ember
Artemis or burst
cunning urchin
My favorite runs are with Eternal Rose throughout.
dry ember
Huh I wouldn't have guessed.
lethal tangle
If you leave the keepsake on you get the effect each floor?
dry ember
No
lethal tangle
It's just that you can't swap back and forth?
dry ember
Sadly
There is a number 1 and a circular arrow on the bottom of the keepsake
That tells you charges of the keepsake.
cunning urchin
You get the rarity boost throughout.
dry ember
All gods keepsake (except Hermes) have one charge for the forced boon.
But yeah rarity is boosted as long as you hold it.
cunning urchin
It's a bit of a bummer that I can't farm anymore bounty with Malphon.
dry ember
I want to be snarky and say your crutch is gone, but I feel ya, that is a bummer.
tight solstice
ayyy just got my first win since coming back after like 9 months lol.
athena on malphon is very nice
and artemis crits with the special was big too
tight solstice
thanks!
cunning urchin
Congratulations!
dry ember
athena on malphon is very nice
Hmmmmmm
and artemis crits with the special was big too
Extra hmmmmmmm
tight solstice
phrasing
dry ember
I'm referencing something else
tight solstice
oh lol
man the 1000% extra damage to armor on dash strike is nuts for elysium
how do you guys deal with the poison stuff in styx? I felt like my run was going smoothly until then and ended up losing a dd there because of it
cunning urchin
Divine Strike + Divine Flourish is my main build with Malphon. That's what he means.
Er.
Deadly Flourish*
tight solstice
deadly flourish
cunning urchin
Yeah, that one lol.
tight solstice
i think thats exactly what i had
and then the duo boon, deadly reversal, really nice lol
cunning urchin
Yep!
tight solstice
what are the best daedalus upgrades for malphon?
cunning urchin
What aspect?
tight solstice
im just using vanilla, didnt upgrade it yet
cunning urchin
Oh. Hmmmm. Breaching Cross, I would say. But you'd want Hunter Dash, too.
Makes elite enemies and Hades's summons a lot easier to deal with.
I think the Special hammer upgrades aren't worth it if you use Zagreus Aspect or Lv.0 Malphon.
I'd prioritize Divine Strike + Hunter Dash for boons. But on Demeter Aspect, I prioritize Divine Strike + Deadly Flourish.
All the Attack upgrades from hammers are pretty good for Zagreus Aspect. I'd just try different combinations, so you can see which works best in which situations. But I'd always take Breaching Cross over anything else.
Rolling Knuckle lets you keep 1-3 enemies in stunlock without requiring dash-cancels, so you'll have your dashes up for evasion a lot more.
It also benefits from Hunter Dash since the 6th strike is considered a dash-strike.
Concentrated Knuckle can do amazing DPS with a +% attack boon, and synergyzes well with Rolling Knuckle.
tight solstice
yeah i had breaching cross i think
cunning urchin
Yep. That's the one that does +1000% armor damage and piercing.
tight solstice
yeah that ones nice haha
i'll have to play around with those others you mentioned
cunning urchin
Long Knuckle never hurts; but personally on Zag Aspect, I prioritize the other Attack upgrades usually.
I'd take it if I'm running Lightning Strike or Curse of Agony instead of Divine Strike.
The extra range makes them a lot safer. But Divine Strike doesn't need that safety.
tight solstice
yeah true. i'm gonna unlock aspect of demeter i think
cunning urchin
You'll need 16 Titan Blood to max it.
tight solstice
bah im at 15 lol
tight solstice
yeah im gonna see if i can use one of the other weapons to get one from getting to fury first
cunning urchin
Why make a trade when you can kill your girlfriend and take her blood? Wait no, that sounds wrong. 
sly sonnet
cunning urchin
The game made me do it.
untold vortex
cunning urchin
Congrats!
untold vortex
ty ^_^
main osprey
Lots of poms, I'd imagine
untold vortex
ummmm, 1 300 cost pom in styx and a bunch of others elsewhere
cunning urchin
Curse of Agony + Divine Dash + Merciful End is actually a really strong build on Zag Aspect. Can clear 32 heat with that.
untold vortex
oooh niceu 
I took merciful end right near the end because the arti legendary didn't roll 
main osprey
It can be worth getting a few poms, especially if you're going for a focused build
sly sonnet
Hey everyone how would you/supergiant feel if I made a discord bot that allowed you to look up boons with commands and some other potential features
cunning urchin
Getting poms early will let you focus them more.
@sly sonnet you should ask about that in #server-suggestions.
wide plover
how strong is hestia rail with artemis attack+dash? do your dashstrikes oneshot basically anything?
cunning urchin
Hestia only buffs 1 of the 2 bullets from dash-strikes.
wide plover
still 150 base damage
buffed by a lot
or is it more efficient to just stay in place and shoot-reload?
using dash strike means you can buff it with arty dash and there are more good chaos boons
cunning urchin
I would think dash-strike is way better, but I haven't looked into Hestia at all.
young gorge
I've never really found any of the rail aspects interesting
wide plover
alright, I'll check this build out once I have blood for hestia
sly sonnet
Actually, instead of suggesting the bot to the server I should first atleast make it, so I am not responsible if I make a suggestion and fail to deliver on it
cunning urchin
Deadly Strike + Hunter Dash is the best attack damage on practically everything. But it relies on dashes for attacks, so it gives up safety.
wide plover
or maybe ask if people are interested, but don't promise anything in case you fail
sly sonnet
Hm, i don't know I dont want to give false hopes in case they are interested
I hate breaking promises
sly sonnet
I mean I am pretty passionate about it so I would care atleast
wide plover
whatever suits you then
sly sonnet
And since I am still a computer science student it would help me in my future carrer
Also I never use hunter dash
maybe I should
Aspecially when I run fists
turbid arch
@cunning urchin Probably sadly untrue for the shield.
Dash attack runs for the shield are always disappointing
Shield is more about charged minotaurrush when it comes to attack damage
wide plover
does charged attack count as dash attack if you dashed before it? what if you sat in place for 10 seconds?
turbid arch
It does for the Bow
it does not for the shield because you always do a regular attack before you start charging.
wide plover
ah, right
cunning urchin
Aegis is the odd one out, true.
turbid arch
Technicly, so is the rail minus Hestia Aspect.
I also don't think that the Fists are particularly fancy with dash attacks either.
The spear though can be hilarious with Serrated Edge.
sly sonnet
Dash attack on spread fire is pretty great imo
turbid arch
That is true.
But I feel like Spread Fire.....
When it comes to Spread Fire, it does not matter what you do
say
or build
unless it's a high heated run, you just win.
turbid arch
The damage on it isn't even the problem.
The unholy spamability of it is.
If you just push the attack button regularly, the attack speed is fine
sly sonnet
Its just op because you can cancel a shot for another shot with every dash
turbid arch
Once dash cancels are involved
That is where the balance is being thrown out the window.
You can cancel in and out of attacks so fast with spread fire
sly sonnet
You get hermes +3 dash, spread fire and artemis attack
turbid arch
Much faster than with any other weapons dash attack.
sly sonnet
and gg every boss dies in 30 seconds
turbid arch
Sword is remarkably slow, Bow needs charging, Spear, Fists and Shield are weak and have overall more balanced delays
sly sonnet
I like the dash cancel mechanic I just feel like it needs to be implemented better
turbid arch
For that, dash attacks would need to be "Equal"
Which they are not.
It is fine if every weapon has it's own way of properly handing dash attacks
and it is also fine if certain dash attacks are better than other.
turbid arch
Hell, Fists have TWO dash attacks, which is very special all by itself.
cunning urchin
Dash-Upper with Demeter Aspect is so satisfying.
turbid arch
Just gave me an idea on how to make Quake Cutter more usable.
sly sonnet
I love how versitile the builds on fist are
You can do status effect, single target damage, cast , poseidon builds
and more
cunning urchin
@turbid arch problem with that is it's just a worse Explosive Cutter either way.
sly sonnet
If the legendary fists don't make me summon star platinum I will be dissapointed
cunning urchin
Poseidon builds with Malphon?
Any Poseidon build I've tried with Malphon was awful.
sly sonnet
Well to be honest I haven't tried one specifically either
But with the magnetic fists
You can esentially play ping pong with the enemy
which while not super effective, is very fun
cunning urchin
Oof. Room 1: Draining Cutter or Concentrated Knuckle.
sly sonnet
draining cutter
cunning urchin
It's nice, but I need damage.
turbid arch
@cunning urchin How is it a worse explosive cutter? If anything, it'd be a better explosive cutter.
EC does not add that much more damage/range to youe dash special, quake cutter with my suggestion would be 40 extra damage + the extra effects
narrow halo
what works with aspect of chiron ? I want to upgrade it next
cunning urchin
Explosive Upper adds +50% damage and AOE to all six 40-damage hits from Demeter Aspect's Dash-Upper.
@narrow halo Deadly Flourish is a good choice.
Hmmm which of the first two do I sell? Tempted to sell Trippy Shot, actually. https://imgur.com/a/pOJq81C
narrow halo
Sell trippy to get the 50% boost in damage from your cast
cunning urchin
Sold Holy Shield. Lady Demeter's keepsake. Let's see if I can get Ice Wine.
narrow halo
When i crit unarmored enemy’s they get deleted
Am on hydra gate right now i will try it’s legitimately
I killed it
That was fast
untold vortex
cunning urchin
That run was full of awful RNG. Lady Athena showed up once . . .
narrow halo
Dose the hunter mark expire after the first hit ? Because i have support fire and i think it’s stealing my crits
turbid arch
@cunning urchin Demeter Aspect is just one out of three Malphon Aspects
cunning urchin
Wow, I'm mad now. That was absolutely ridiculous.
young gorge
@cunning urchin @feedback IM SO GLAD YOU UNDERSTAND
their healthpools are actually ridiculously large with the extra armor and takes so long when there's a billion of them in the room
cunning urchin
Completely ridiculous. I took every hit just to deal more damage and still took 3 minutes to clear that tunnel.
Some people must actually be trolling with their votes.
neon fiber
i can't believe styxbot is trolling you and downvoted your feedback
cunning urchin
How anybody could think that Snakestones with 5000+ HP—much of which is armor—and that take 3x as long to take down as actual bosses are okay and balanced is beyond me. The Tiny Vermin dies faster than that, and that's the actual boss of Styx.
untold vortex
https://imgur.com/a/TcRF975 fully loaded get
cunning urchin
Woo~! Congratulations! 🏹
untold vortex
it was a fun run, wasn't particularly hard, just had survivability in cursed slash and not all that much dps
sly sonnet
Oh yeah you used athena cast
If you had the posiedon aspect sword I think you would have had a lot more dps with that fully loaded
untold vortex
haven't unlocked that aspect yet, but will probably be the one I focus on next ^_^
cunning urchin
Poseidon Aspect was the first I really took up in heat on TD with True Shot builds.
sly sonnet
I did a artemis cast + exit wounds and poseidon sword run and it feels like a very straining build but I like it
Like you gotta mash a lot if you don't get the hermes rapid cast
Since you cast 3/4 times -> dislodge -> cast 3/4 times -> dislodge
and then add in dashing
neon fiber
true shot + poseidon aspect + exit wounds does seem like a pretty solid builds
cunning urchin
On regular mobs, you shouldn't need to use the special to dislodge your bloodstones.
neon fiber
Also look at this man not developing carpal tunnel from casts alone
w e a k
cunning urchin
Focus your fire and pick them back up after a kill.
sly sonnet
Well when you are getting dem tanky armored enemies then you have to sometimes
But yeah for normal enemies it isnt a big problem
But I was doing a run and I was hoping for fully loaded or dual cast
and I wasn't getting either
and I got exit wounds in styx only and I was very sad
cunning urchin
You're better off focusing on Chaos Gates than Fully Loaded for True Shot builds.
Cast damage and extra ammo.
sly sonnet
Well I wasn't getting any of those either
actually, I was but no cast stuff
I had bad luck that run
sly sonnet
I should try out persuasion actually
I only use the entire room rerolls
not the boon rerolls
cunning urchin
Persuasion lets you reroll wells for DDs, too, if you ever need one.
sly sonnet
But right now I gotta save up 8888 darkness to help out momma
Oh
didnt know they reroll wells
cunning urchin
Oh yeah. Lady Nyx 100% takes priority.
sly sonnet
that actually seems like super good to run
I always thought everyone said that they are bad over the room ones
but honestly that seems like a better deal
Since you can still kind of manipulate what boons you get early by using keepsakes at the start of each area
Also I recently got bouldy summon maxed
and man its by far the best summon
I can't go back to any of the other ones, bouldy is just so useful
It does damage, gives you health back so you don't lose your dd on dumb stuff, gives you money if you are missing a tiny bit for a boon
so good
cunning urchin
Its relative value goes up even more if you play with Convenience Fee.
sly sonnet
I used to always lose a DD on harder version of Hydra now I never lose it
because I am dumb and always dash into lava
Aspecially when I pick up the hermes speed after dash in asphodel
But recently started running more athena and just now realised how op she is
She was like top 4 gods but now she is definitely top 2
I just don't know who is better athena or artemis
Artemis is the best god if you are missing damage in your build
And Athena if you are missing survivability
wide plover
*if you're missing special/attack damage
sly sonnet
Well her dash is pretty good too if you are not using bow and pressure points virtually gives you damage for everything
cunning urchin
Hunter Dash is great on the bow.
cunning urchin
It does. It's a faster charge for less max damage.
sly sonnet
Does it still register as a dash attack if I dash and then charge
Oh
Wish the game told me that
I never picked dash attacks for bow because I thought its useless
Well good to know
neon fiber
Yeah, the game isn’t too clear on some of the weapon’s mechanics
cunning urchin
I only found out in this server, too.
neon fiber
Like the shield actually being able to block or bullrushes making you not take damage from the feont
untold vortex
with how weapons work I kinda treat it like mon hun, the game only tells you the basics and you have to figure out the rest from there
whether or not that's a good thing or not comes down to the individual
wide plover
hades wiki is a thing
sly sonnet
Yeah I should look at the wiki more often
Like yesterday I just found out that to get the legendary fish timing is involved
not just luck
cunning urchin
That's not a good solution.
In fact, the wiki won't tell you that you can dash-cancel the startup of Stygius's Special and get the slam after the dash, either.
And if you don't know it's a thing, you've no reason to look at the wiki to see if it's a thing.
sly sonnet
That is also a thing I found out 2 days ago 
But yeah there is still useful information on the wiki
is the wiki made by supergiant or is it fan made with permissions
to edit it
cunning urchin
Those are very basic controls that take no particular skill to execute. They're just hidden because the game doesn't tell you.
Anyone can edit the Hades wiki.
untold vortex
mmhm, it would be ideal to have little tid bits of tips/tricks in dialogue with relevant characters
the wiki is fan made from memory
sly sonnet
My friends are asking for the conditions for the guan yu and aspect of arthur
Where can I find that information
Like I have them but I have no idea how I unlocked them
I am telling them "Just keep playing" but I feel like that isn't a satisfying answer
wide plover
investing some blood into the respective weapons, talking with achilles afaik
untold vortex
it's pinned in #h1-story-discussion (for Arthur aspect)
cunning urchin
Guan Yu Aspect is either invest 5 Titan Blood or unlock 5 aspects—not sure which. Then Master Achilles will tell you the magic words, eventually.
I think it's aspect. Might be 4 instead of 5. But basically just unlock more aspects and keep playing.
neon fiber
deffo less than five or four aspects, i had only zeus, achilles and talos when i unlocked guan yu
it's probably spent blood
cunning urchin
@turbid arch you're right that it would be better than Explosive Upper on the other aspects. But that still means it overlaps with it. Explosive Upper adds AOE and damage to Dash-Upper. If Quake Cutter did the same, one of them might as well be removed.
Or it's only 3 aspects.
sly sonnet
Is there a set date for the next update or is it just next month whenever
I am starting to get excited
cunning urchin
Or only Achilles Aspect. I remember he has a line about Zagreus using his spear, and I remember he told me what to say 1 or 2 runs after that.
Which could have been coincidence.
median panther
Is there a set date for the next update or is it just next month whenever
@sly sonnet Next month in general, could be early or late
cunning urchin
@sly sonnet scroll up just a few messages in #h1-discussion.
sly sonnet
Well I don't want to rush them
median panther
Consider: next month is literally tomorrow
sly sonnet
They should do it at the pace they think is right
median panther
So it's not all that much
cunning urchin
@young gorge y u no vote on my feedback if you agree? 
cunning urchin
Tomorrow is literally May 30.
sly sonnet
Honestly if the game stayed at this level and never got finished I would still probbably sink 100 more hours into it
xD
median panther
oh yeah my b, the day after then
Honestly if the game stayed at this level and never got finished I would still probbably sink 100 more hours into it
@sly sonnet SAMEEE
cunning urchin
You mean May 31?
neon fiber
there is no such thing as freedom
much like zagreus we're eternally stuck doing runs f o r e v e r
sly sonnet
median panther
My bad mister language bot
neon fiber
kinky
young gorge
@cunning urchin I THOGUHT I DID styx bot rly out here doing me dirty like this
young gorge
cant beleive someone downvoted that im dfdsg
untold vortex
young gorge
i really hate those bruiser snakestones with a passion even without td
untold vortex
just so you don't have to go looking for the specific message
median panther
should probably pin it
young gorge
yeah pinning it would be nice since this comes up alot apprently
untold vortex
done ^_^
cunning urchin
@young gorge I can't believe it, either.
We invite you to react to feedback posted in this channel. Please don't react to feedback that is outside your personal experience with the game.
I wish some people actually took this to heart.
cunning urchin
Same. There's often feedback that I think sounds fair but I've no experience with, so I don't vote on it.
neon fiber
same
untold vortex
in regards to the yes amounts of armour of the bruiser snakestones, it would be nice if their was a cabinet in the admin chambers that had tooltips on the all the slashed benefits with exactly how much percentage wise bruiser and slugger give to armour and damage 
and same for speeder
earnest ravine
I knew they were abnormally slow to go down, but I thought that was because my build was bad. Yikes
cunning urchin
They have more health than Theseus but half of that is armor.
untold vortex
yikes
young gorge
I feel like if they have that much effective hp then it clearly is a problem LMAO
I would rather deal with literraly anything else
untold vortex
same
cunning urchin
I'll just take elite tunnels first, I suppose. Those don't take a year or two to clear.
young gorge
the nice thing about elite tunnels is that when you kill the big one all of them stop spawning
cunning urchin
Not actually kidding. I'll just do that from now on.
untold vortex
it might be an idea to have a cap on effective hp for regular enemies/elites so that they can't ever have more hp than a boss
cunning urchin
You also can't stunlock them because they have armor. And there were three in the first wave.
So I either take even longer because I evade lasers, or I get hit by everything to try to beat them in time to clear with TD2.
So I would be either out of time or out of HP to finish the run lol.
untold vortex
mmhm, hopefully some sort of solution for it occurs, because it definitely sucks to have armoured enemies with yes much hp
turbid arch
The extra HP/Armor Benefits Package should just be deleted.
Snakestones being ubertanky is just one part of what makes that one superproblematic.
untold vortex
Icebox, the devs will announce more when they are ready to do so, please be patient, given the current climate of things especially
kindred bolt
they said they will announce something new by the end of this month, the month is almost over, so now till sunday
its in announcements if you want to check it
turbid arch
I don't want any kinds of spoilers. Just a date. This has been the longest waiting time between patches and they have been silent in terms of announcements for the entire duration since then.
I would actually like to call in a free day from work for when that update hits, so please, with sugar on top
forgive me my impatience.
kindred bolt
i dont care about spoilers, i would love to know which aspects they are adding but they will never announce that, they will just announce a date probably
cunning urchin
You saw Caitlin's messages, though, in #h1-discussion?
turbid arch
I did not.
kindred bolt
i thought she just mentioned that its still june and won't be delayed
untold vortex
she said "Our estimate is still June"