h1-builds-and-combat

[novel prawn]

well yeah... but the movement speed slow on it's own isn't pulling me out of my comfort zone almost at all... then again, not sure how you can rework this curse to be more impactful without increasing the frustration tenfold...

[dry ember]

Ok then that's fair.

I'm very neutral about that particular curse

But I don't think limiting dash distance is a solution is all :D

[unkempt pagoda]

does it need a solution

[novel prawn]

fair enough

[magic dagger]

this started off as a hestia crit build

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/694327507910131714/715316983461314640/20200527143336_1.jpg

[novel prawn]

and still 3 DDs, nice

[magic dagger]

buffing trippy shot gets very powerful very quickly

the low health honestly just happens because I use greater call and facetank phase two

[dry ember]

Lmao

[magic dagger]

with nothing but EM on, it's not like there's any reason to take damage in the final boss

[dry ember]

Were you the one who said every one of your builds turn into Ice Win run?

[magic dagger]

yeah

Were you the one who said every one of your builds turn into Ice Win run?
@dry ember that's not exactly what I said, but it should have been. Ice win... exactly how it feels

[dry ember]

Lmao

Definitely a typo intentional there

[magic dagger]

finally got the lounge finished

now all I need to do is occasionally change the rug style

[raw violet]

cthonic rug matches night mom and that's all i need

[magic dagger]

I now know why Haelian has a banatos emote. Than is annoying when he shows up in a run

[neon fiber]

but it's very samey if you put a cthonic rug on her

flowers and rugs that aren't purple make night mom's purple stand out more

which makes her more a e s t h e t i c

[magic dagger]

mark my words: this is going to become ice wine

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/694327507910131714/715326373664653412/20200527151045_1.jpg

[latent junco]

HOLY JESUS

i just did 3658 crit backstab

just one shot a good 1/3 of the final boss' hp bar

[neon fiber]

lmao

nice

[latent junco]

i just ABUSED the final boss

holy crap man

i finished him with a greater call artemis and 1 more hit

i hit him so hard it broke his map wide laser attack

literally it was only 3 lasers in front of him

not all around

[mighty ermine]

his laser attack is just 3 lasers for the first half of his second phase, is all

[latent junco]

ah, ok

still really funny how god darn hard i hit him

[mighty ermine]

yeah that's definitely a crit number to be proud of

[latent junco]

i think at the end of it i hit like 5k crit with the greater call

shadow stab on excalibur is busted

[dry ember]

Mildly disgusting

https://imgur.com/KmJMd09

[neon fiber]

nice

[magic dagger]

on that note

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/694327507910131714/715361876476821564/20200527173200_1.jpg

lots of dps

[umbral lagoon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/554057222926106628/715365865524035604/unknown.png

is it sad that i can't beat the game with spear unless it's a casting build

i dunno why i don't like the spear so much

super weird run with random poseidon and spear upgrades

[paper mountain]

https://i.imgur.com/6JwQcvb.png
For when you absolutely positively hate melee weapons

Oh lmao @umbral lagoon we did the same thing

[raw violet]

spear feels very clunky to use relatively speaking

[restive solar]

PSA: Ruthless dodge triggers on jumping over lava lmaooooooo

[umbral lagoon]

OKAY FORGET MY PREVIOUS RUN

WHAT IS THIS

?!

I DIDN'T KNOW HERMES LEGENDARY HELPED CAST?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/554057222926106628/715383338050781255/20200527185136_1.jpg

"first-shot damage" ok

Besides what's shown I had Ravenous Will. So extra damage and damage resist from Demeter kek

Probably should have showed that instead of the artemis/athena duo.

Ridiculous DPS.

[silver solstice]

That is awesome

so since your rifts never entered enemies you always had bonus DPS

[umbral lagoon]

Yup!

I feel like maybe i should try a 32 heat run with this thing

I only used Persuasion once for one of my bloodstones in Chaos

so had it to spare for emergencies

in case i don't get hunting blades

but that hermes thing

that's legendary lol

Needless to say, I beat Hades in less than 2 minutes, which isn't great but the dude proc'd invincibility a lot.

[odd quarry]

Nice lol

Speaking of feature abuse

http://puu.sh/FPGMk/54c98e54f7.jpg

I guess this is how you get the most out of Arctic Blast?

[primal sigil]

I'm finally starting to get consistent kills in Hades!

[neon fiber]

nice

@elder ridge aye, there are

[elder ridge]

I keep having trouble seeing things on Elysium

And I keep forgetting to listen for the audio cues

[raw violet]

@tepid hazel just to clarify, it's not healing, it's increasing max health. But you're right, it's not clear about source of darkness.

[naive tusk]

It has been 1 day but I miss my dog and flower girl in here

[cunning urchin]

I'm "your" flower girl now?

[tepid hazel]

oh! let me edit that real quick then

thanks!

[raw violet]

@cunning urchin forced to sell divine dash twice. I feel your pain.

[cunning urchin]

Ouch!

[raw violet]

actually offered for sale all 3 times but i sacrificed extra dashes the last time

stahp game

[dry ember]

today is a good day ❤️

[raw violet]

plz

[dry ember]

https://imgur.com/mWitYoc

new PB sub 15
most every weapons to 23 heat
multiple prophecies filled

huehuehue

looks like i took all your luck

[raw violet]

my shield time is awful

it's fine

i had guan yu charged skewer and that's all i need

[dry ember]

:3

[raw violet]

you can have my rng

i bless you

[dry ember]

thank you mate

Peach I miss you too.

[cunning urchin]

You can reroll the sacrifices with Persuasion.

[dry ember]

Imagine playing with Persuasion

[raw violet]

i did

[cunning urchin]

Imagine not playing with Persuasion.

[raw violet]

it's fine, I only ended up needing the two dashes

acorn life

the real winner was once again getting lord and saint patty

[dry ember]

acorn in styx > skelly

[naive tusk]

Yay! You 2 are here now. I'm so happy 😄

[dry ember]

Do you know what would be cool?

A racing mod for Hades

[cunning urchin]

If you left?

[dry ember]

hey now

[cunning urchin]

I'm only asking.

[dry ember]

I love you too

Now back to my idea, racing mod for Hades

same seed

like Isaac Racing +

feasible?

[cunning urchin]

Are you inventing speedrunning?

[dry ember]

nah im inventing Hades PvP

[raw violet]

like chariot racing?

[cunning urchin]

Hades PvP? Is Uppercut input gonna be 623 Attack?

[dry ember]

no like 2 players on the same seed, race each other to the finish the run

[cunning urchin]

I.e., forward, down, down-forward, attack.

[dry ember]

OK are you guys trolling me or really don't get the idea

o.O

[raw violet]

hades kart 64

what isn't there to get?

[dry ember]

hades kart 64 sounds dope tbh

[cunning urchin]

Which aspect gets me the blue shell hammer?

[raw violet]

zeus aspect

i have a question

[dry ember]

I may or may not have an answer

[cunning urchin]

@dry ember sit.

[dry ember]

shhh

[raw violet]

how come mewmew's chart is pinned, but peach's boon chart has to be dug out of the pit of self-promotion

[dry ember]

let the adults talk

[naive tusk]

OMG Do you really do that?! 😮

I thought everyone forgot it was there

[raw violet]

sometimes, i don't trust the wiki

[dry ember]

which boon chart are we talking about?

[naive tusk]

(I would seriously consider commissioning an artist to make some Hades Kart 64 art)

The boon prgression charts!

[cunning urchin]

Make the dog commission it. Save money.

[raw violet]

Boon trees courtesy and credit to @naive tusk https://imgur.com/a/TLdQ7mo

Note on arrows: two colored arrows means both paths are required.

[dry ember]

funny how yall pick aphrodite

[naive tusk]

Beat me to it

[dry ember]

of all the available gods

[raw violet]

i've grown accustomed to the search function

[naive tusk]

They are in alphabetical order

Plus APhrodite's OP

[raw violet]

SGG retweeted some aphro fanart

recently ish?

[cunning urchin]

They did.

[raw violet]

so i guess that's the boat they sail

that's a phrase

[naive tusk]

You know, I could pin my album link right now so it's easily accessed. There's also a picture compiling all the charts together in 1 picture because someone let me know that people liked that on Reddit.

[dry ember]

I would oh so love that. Googling the wiki is a hassle.

[raw violet]

you should re-post the link so it's under your name

nm

[dry ember]

pog ❤️

[cunning urchin]

Good thing nobody is looking up my comment on the boon trees to use it against me. 😇

[naive tusk]

I update the album everytime there are changes to boon progression; the same link will take you to updated charts. When the next update hits, and if there are changes to boon progression, you will be able to see the new charts before the wiki even has them

What comment? I'm curious

Also, thank you for that @raw violet 💗

[raw violet]

credit where credit is due

[cunning urchin]

N-nothing.

Owie.

I would suggest looking into some changes to make them more intuitive or explain some things (e.g., different colored arrows without explanation?).

[dry ember]

so, uber small and minor thing, can you use a sans serif font for the charts peach?

[raw violet]

switch it all to comic sans, out of spite

[cunning urchin]

I don't see any problem with the font.

[dry ember]

you need a lesson or two on typography

[cunning urchin]

I don't think so lol.

[raw violet]

different colored arrows just mean both are required, correct?

[naive tusk]

Yep!

I thought it would be intuitive in that 2 different colored arrows merging into 1 boon meant you need both since in other cases I put "any of those" with only 1 colored arrow.

[cunning urchin]

The lack of "any of those" already implies that.

[raw violet]

Addended the pin to help clear that

i do know we get a fair amount of questions about those

[cunning urchin]

Some charts have tier 1 boons on the left and then progress to the right. Other charts have tier 1 boons somewhere in the middle. More consistency would make the maps easier to read.

[naive tusk]

Take Aphrodite's chart and Demeter's as examples. Aphrodite's is always "any of those" and 1 colored arrow, while Demeter's has 2 different colored arrows merging and no "any of those" typed.

So I just thought people would put 1 + 1 together lol

[cunning urchin]

Legendary boons I think would benefit from having that orange highlight.

That they have in the game.

Or Gold if it's supposed to be that.

[naive tusk]

Which orange highlight?

Ooh, you mean the border?

[cunning urchin]

Yeah.

[naive tusk]

Well, the art is just to help identify them at a glance.

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, identifying the legendary at a glance could be useful.

[naive tusk]

And I'd need to go through the trouble of screencapping the art, crop it and replace them on the charts.... which is a lot of work I'm not willing to do XD

[cunning urchin]

Maybe you could just put a square in that color in a layer behind the boon icon?

[naive tusk]

My initial intention was to put tier 1 boons to the left, tier 2 in the middle, and tier 3 boons to the right. However, some trees are too complicated so I went with those designs. Aphrodtie's and Demeter's are really simple so it has the original design I planned.

[cunning urchin]

Why are there two colors for arrows in that chart with no explanation. I'm honestly not a fan of the boon charts on the wiki.
I think they suck.
Wow, I'm glad I'm not that terrible person who wrote that last week. What a meanie.

[naive tusk]

Ouch, that's harsh

It's ok. They weren't meant for the public originally. I made them for myself so I would find whatever boons I wanted easier and at a glance. I shared it here in case anyone else found it useful and wasn't counting on them to have a lot of appeal lol

[cunning urchin]

I was frustrated because I needed a map to navigate the map for Lord Dionysus's boons.

[naive tusk]

You could have messaged me! I'm happy to explain them anytime

[dry ember]

ok real talk, how about an excel sheet to navigate the boons?

like you can input what you want and what you have

[cunning urchin]

I didn't even notice the "created by HeartfulPeach" lol.

[dry ember]

output is what you need

[cunning urchin]

How about you make one.

[dry ember]

I can probably tinker with it over the weekend

yes actually

just trying to gauge interest on the idea lol

[naive tusk]

Someone already did that but it wasn't 100% accurate.

[untold vortex]

that would work better as an actual program over an excel document (but I don't have to knowhow to actually make it)

[naive tusk]

Aggy ❤️

[untold vortex]

Peach

[naive tusk]

You are cute

[dry ember]

yeah I don't know how either, let me see what I can do. like a small applet

I can maybe conjure something out

[naive tusk]

@dry ember If you need help with reading the charts for info, you can ask me away 🙂

[dry ember]

for sure! let me sharpen my very limited coding skills first haha

[naive tusk]

Good luck 🍀

And have some pets

[dry ember]

:3

[cunning urchin]

https://i.imgflip.com/6yzwu.jpg?a441576

RL photo of @dry ember when coding.

It's ok. They weren't meant for the public originally. I made them for myself so I would find whatever boons I wanted easier and at a glance.
That's how I create content, too. Like the spreadsheet. I just wanted to know the numbers for myself.

[lethal tangle]

anyone got some tips for the last boss?

I can make it pretty much every run but I can never beat him except the one time i managed haha

[cunning urchin]

Deplete his HP before he depletes yours, is my general advice.

What do you get hit by, usually?

[naive tusk]

A general tip for the final boss (and most enemies in general) is to prioritize avoiding his attacks and countering when he's open.

[lethal tangle]

I tend to faulter while he throws his skulls

I do think I am trying to go a little too hard

[raw violet]

if you get hit by a skull, it's better to just run away til the skull falls off

[naive tusk]

Ah, Divine Dash + Brilliant Riposte will make him sui- I mean, they will damage him a lot!

[cunning urchin]

One effective strategy for the skulls is to deflect them back at him when he throws them.

[naive tusk]

I still remember that time where I Brilliant Riposte'd 7 skulls in a row

Fun times~

[raw violet]

otherwise the skull puts boiling blood on you and you take a ton more damage than is necessary

[mighty ermine]

i remember when deflect on him was kind of broken and just divine dashing through his spin could chunk him for several thousand damage

[naive tusk]

🐰 : "Do a barrel roll!"

[lethal tangle]

Gonna run it back again with the fitsts

they are pretty damn fun

[mighty ermine]

peach you're quick!

[raw violet]

better to dash perpendicular or towards the boss rather than away if you see him wind up

[naive tusk]

If you are going to try with Malphon, why not try the Mewmew Special (CC)?

Also, believe it or not, Spent Spirit will be a lifesaver against the skulls 💛

Please don't bash it I like it very much

[cunning urchin]

https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-28-2015/NIeuVn.gif

Like this, yes?

Barrel Roll.

[naive tusk]

I wanted to follow up with another gif but it will derail the discussion lol

[raw violet]

i actually do take spent spirit when i'm offered it in styx sometimes, purely for Hades

[cunning urchin]

That's good. Derailing discussion is not what we do in here nor did yesterday when neither you nor any other mods were around.

[naive tusk]

So to summarize the tips:

• If you get hit by a skull, it's better to just run away till the skull falls off. Otherwise the skull puts boiling blood on you and you take a ton more damage than is necessary.
• One effective strategy for the skulls is to deflect them back at him when he throws them.
• It's better to dash perpendicular or towards the boss rather than away if you see him wind up.
• Also, believe it or not, Spent Spirit will be a lifesaver against the skulls.

@lethal tangle

[cunning urchin]

I don't get a rose.

[errant narwhal]

i got fully loaded! at last!

[cunning urchin]

Hurray! Congratulations!

[lethal tangle]

Thanks for the tips guys

[naive tusk]

I'm so happy for you, alma! 😄

[cunning urchin]

@naive tusk if you recommend the "Mewmew Special", you should probably explain to them what you mean by that lol.

[errant narwhal]

thank you for the tips peach i wouldnt have done it without them

[naive tusk]

But it has your name

[cunning urchin]

Meaning?

[naive tusk]

I lay it on you

[cunning urchin]

lol

[errant narwhal]

i got 5 artemis boons in tartarus (i sold pressure points), so that helped

[raw violet]

athena boons on attack with fists

[naive tusk]

5 Artemis boons in Tartarus

[errant narwhal]

aand i got pressure points back from the shop

[raw violet]

that's the mewmew special

that was like pulling teeth to get it explained

[cunning urchin]

I'm trying to avoid having to explain it myself everytime someone says "use the Mewmew Special".

[dry ember]

hmm am I seeing a picture with Fully Loaded?

obviously fake, can't believe our mods are paid actors

snh my head

[main osprey]

...I've finished a run with only Artemis boons and I still didn't see Fully Loaded

[dry ember]

yeah because it doesn not exist

[mighty ermine]

oh same, several times

[dry ember]

don't buy into SGG propaganda, stay woke people

[cunning urchin]

I finished a run before the patch and getting Fully Loaded was actually super easy, barely an inconvenience.

You should try it sometime. Very effective.

[naive tusk]

Have y'all seen that Fully Loaded + Hunting Blades build I had the other day? I'm happy that it's still possible to get it in unorthodox ways

[cunning urchin]

You're only asking the guys?

[errant narwhal]

what changed this patch that made it so impossible to find?

[naive tusk]

Guys meant as in "y'all" 😂

OK, edited 👍

This patch demands that you have both Dual Shot and Exit Wounds in order for Fully Loaded to appear.

Before that, it was either one.

[cunning urchin]

They added God's Chosen in Nighty Night, though. So it's not that bad.

[fast wolf]

I'm also really fond of the Athena boons since my last playthrough. I found Athena attack and dash as Well as Hermes' legendary +3 dashes so I could spam dash attacks and pummel enemies while being in literal god-mode invincible most of the time.

[errant narwhal]

oh yeah, that is a real pain

[cunning urchin]

Divine Strike + Divine Dash is how I cleared 32 heat with Malphon.

Also Athena's Aid lol.

Well, Deadly Flourish was important, too.

[untold vortex]

noice

[fast wolf]

This was my ending screen.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/715437992893874187/715438043854798899/20200527101716_1.jpg

[naive tusk]

That was like saying "Athena as appetizer, main course, and dessert. Artemis as a side dish"

[cunning urchin]

No, the most important part of my build was Dying Lament.

(I actually had the sweetest dream about Lady Aphrodite last night.)

Ahem.

My first clear was with Aegis, too.

[mighty ermine]

oh, aspect of dad, i might use you and like you more if i didn't already love guan yu so much https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/654076105321480226/715379898826489916/20200527124438_1.jpg

[cunning urchin]

Very nice.

[naive tusk]

Ohey, you also like Aspect of Dad

[raw violet]

nono, Aspect of Dad

plz

[fast wolf]

I really like Varatha, too. I just tried Aegis because it gave me +20% darkness on a run and boom... first victory.

[mighty ermine]

that edit

[raw violet]

how is there no dad emote?

[cunning urchin]

There is a "Dad is laughing at you" emoji.

[mighty ermine]

lol that's a good one, and i was genuinely too tired to figure it out until you onioned us

[cunning urchin]

👨‍🌾

[mighty ermine]

dad granting you 1 hp emoji

simply unacceptable that there is no emoji of an extremely small aphrodite wall scroll

[cunning urchin]

I concur.

[naive tusk]

Have you all completed the codex entry for the onions yet?

[mighty ermine]

no and i dread it

[raw violet]

no

[dry ember]

i'm too good to complete it

[naive tusk]

Peach is disappointed in you all

[dry ember]

sadly

[cunning urchin]

No, I'm just too good to get it.

[dry ember]

hey that's my line

[mighty ermine]

fox is simply too much of a gamer tm to get onions

[cunning urchin]

I thought of it first.

[dry ember]

of course, im the epicest of gamers

[cunning urchin]

Imagine being only Epic and not Heroic and Legendary like me.

[mighty ermine]

https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/456936596227358720/715236440975605822

when dad tells you to eat your vegetables but your gamer prowess doesn't allow it

[cunning urchin]

When life gives you onions, make lemonade.

Or something.

[naive tusk]

That is so fitting

Onionade

[cunning urchin]

Lol

[mighty ermine]

just like achilles always said

when dad gives you onions, write about it in the codex

[dry ember]

hey peach, you said someone tried to code the boon charts but it was not accurate, do you happen to have the link to that still

[cunning urchin]

Zagreus doesn't write into the Codex. He uncovers what's already written by Master Achilles.

[dry ember]

but he has the Codex

[mighty ermine]

mewmew, it's a riff

[dry ember]

what is stopping him from reading it?

[mighty ermine]

a joke

a josh

[cunning urchin]

But you were wrong!

Wrong!

[raw violet]

reading lessons

[naive tusk]

Uhm.... I don't remember where exactly I saw it or who posted it but let me try the search function...

[dry ember]

my head canon is that Zag is actually illiterate

[raw violet]

every enemy he kills imparts a little bit of reading comprehension

until he becomes literate

[naive tusk]

Fun fact: many people like to say excellent

[dry ember]

he is learning how to read and gradual becomes able to read more of Acchilles notes

krasher gets it

[mighty ermine]

please do not make fun of zagreus

he is learning

he is becoming literate

[raw violet]

we cannot blame him

reading rainbow does not exist in ancient greece

[cunning urchin]

@naive tusk that's . . . excellent?

[mighty ermine]

zagreus after dad tells him to file paperwork: but i don't know how to read

[dry ember]

^

[raw violet]

and so the roots of this situational comedy begins are revealed

[cunning urchin]

Is that why he's looking for ||Persephone||? To ask her what she wrote?

[mighty ermine]

"i don't know what this says at all ||but i have a feeling it's from my mom||!"

[lethal tangle]

Well just beat hades

[raw violet]

the narrator is just some dude who follows Zag around to read things to him

[cunning urchin]

@lethal tangle congratulations!

[lethal tangle]

Fists of demeter and then Artemis cast spamming

Chaos buff for 1 extra cast

[cunning urchin]

The narrator is actually Poseidon.

Or maybe it's Master Achilles.

Or dad?

[mighty ermine]

perhaps father in disguise...

[raw violet]

Poseidon is the uncle I least expect to be able to read

[mighty ermine]

shoutout to logan's range

[cunning urchin]

(Also to EQ.)

[mighty ermine]

poseidon spends all day flexing the ocean

and never ever reading

[raw violet]

fish don't have written language

that's just silly

[dry ember]

The city of Atlantis disagrees

[cunning urchin]

@lethal tangle try Divine Strike on Malphon sometime! It's very fun and effective.

[dry ember]

Poseidon sank the city so they can teach him how to read

cough crutch cough

[mighty ermine]

definitely the best way to go about that, i'm sure

[lethal tangle]

I will have to give that a try

[raw violet]

Poseidon also strikes me as the kind of guy that would do that for that specific purpose

[cunning urchin]

• Deadly Flourish.

[lethal tangle]

I havent played with athena buffs much yet

[raw violet]

Athena is a queen and should be treated as such

[mighty ermine]

oh absolutely

[cunning urchin]

That's what @naive tusk was calling "Mewmew Special" earlier lol.

[naive tusk]

OMG Finally! 😄

After digging through 20+ pages in the search bar, I finally found the link LOL

[cunning urchin]

They just named it after me without my consent.

[naive tusk]

Why was I pinged?

[cunning urchin]

Because.

[dry ember]

whew thanks peach, now give me

[cunning urchin]

No.

Don't.

[naive tusk]

What do I do now?

OMG WAIT

This is the link for duo boons, not boon progressions D:

I gotta dig deeper

[mighty ermine]

the restless search continues

[dry ember]

Why are there two colors for arrows in that chart with no explanation. I'm honestly not a fan of the boon charts on the wiki.
I think they suck.
Then don't complain.

it's ok

[mighty ermine]

godspeed peach

[dry ember]

just give me

[cunning urchin]

O~hohohohoho!

[dry ember]

I just have a quick hypothesis to check

[naive tusk]

https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/520688402958516254/705069108886110268

Oh waaait

[cunning urchin]

I forgot that existed.

[naive tusk]

There's a 2nd tab below to switch to boon progression 😅

Yeah, that's the link.

I deserve Ambrosia 🥃

[dry ember]

don't have nitro, here take a watermelon

[untold vortex]

yes, you do

[cunning urchin]

Did I unlock the quest? Can I gift Ambrosia now?

[dry ember]

ok so that is literally just an excel sheet with info

[untold vortex]

dunno, how do we even get ambrosia irl

[naive tusk]

I don't think it's 100% accurate though. Take Zeus' and Demeter's section as examples.

[dry ember]

i'll try to one up that and make an interactive applet. no promises though >.<

[untold vortex]

good luck Fox ^_^

[cunning urchin]

Don't worry. I have no expectations.

[dry ember]

I see how it is

[naive tusk]

Thanks for the cheers, mates

[cunning urchin]

@naive tusk 🥃 🥃 🥃 🥃 🥃 🥃 🥃 🥃 🥃 🥃 🥃 🥃 🥃 🥃 🥃 🥃 🥃 🥃 🥃

There.

[dry ember]

you trying to poison someone?

pace your drinks people

[untold vortex]

it's just a supply for yes amount of time, it's fine

[naive tusk]

Yes amount of time 👍

[cunning urchin]

@dry ember 🔫

[dry ember]

https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2019/12/12/imagine-pleasant-nonesense_custom-34cafb9feaaf590b0111a98033d8ddff361d215d-s800-c85.jpg

Night 🌃

[untold vortex]

ni ni Fox

[novel prawn]

have you tried Extreme measures 3 pact yet? you're gonna be surprised when you see Asterius and Theseus

[narrow halo]

So is it possible to make the bloodstone drop instantly?

[earnest ravine]

The Poseidon aspect of the sword does if you hit something that has a lodged stone in it.

[narrow halo]

No i mean for aspect of hera

[earnest ravine]

oh! nope.

[grave compass]

I do love when you find a random combo that just works

Running crit bow with art dash and then somehow in 3 rooms ive met tis with epic tempest strike, epic rupture, and legendary knockback

Not what id usually aim for with a bow but its turning out quite fun 🤣

Now to drop some zues on that combo and see how impressive a power shot we can get

[narrow halo]

Dose picking one of 2 olympics effects the rarity of their boons periminty

?

Like the angry one will forever have common boons ?

[neon fiber]

nope

[naive tusk]

No, it doesn’t affect your run whoever you picked 1st or 2nd.

[neon fiber]

trials of the gods are just nastier rooms

because you'll have to deal with more enemies than usual and an additional effect depending on the gods

[naive tusk]

I consider them 2x1 rooms 👍

[neon fiber]

some gods make it practically a free boon, and some others are just pick them first or else perish material

[median panther]

I do the same as HeartfulPeach

I just go OOHH NICE

The angry god rarely makes a difference for me, only Demeter because by the time I notice the vortex I am already at the center of it

[turbid arch]

I just read "HeartfulOUCH"

To add to what the JoJo Reference just said, enemies in Trial Rooms tend to be armored as well, so if you have Benefits Package active, you can be assured that the enemies will be extra nasty.

Seen a lot of those in the past alright.

[static hill]

Oooh, we talking about trial of the gods?

Yeah, they can get pretty nasty.

Aphrodite's seems to get me pretty often, but she's usually paired up with someone I want to tick off even less, sooooo....

[novel prawn]

How the heck do I get so lucky as to get poisoned by the last mob I kill, then dash straight towards the pool that cures me, then press E when the reward appears... and now I have to choose a boon while still being poisoned, when I'm 1 milimeter away from a curing pool.... god freaking dammit!

[median panther]

HAHAHA

I had that happen once

[young gorge]

the game really just be like that sometimes 😔

[median panther]

didnt even look at the boon, just smashed like crazy

[young gorge]

it's so annoying lol sometimes even when you smash e the cure pool it doesn't work

[novel prawn]

yeah, I guess you get that 1 in a million chance sometimes lol... was a bit funny, not gonna lie

[wide plover]

got a rail win with underworld customs on and using stubborn defiance instead of normal one (for prophecy) - all thanks to spread fire, artemis' attack and dash and +97% to dash attack from chaos. Also athena's call was great in hades fight

[young gorge]

athena call is spicy when you have good dps set up

[naive tusk]

It's Val! Hi Val! 😄

[untold vortex]

Hai Val

[young gorge]

Ah ah hello! I took a short break and I'm back >:))

I'm always here for the athena appreciation

[naive tusk]

You rocking it with your Athena avatar 💛

[untold vortex]

https://imgur.com/a/yNToA9C

[cunning urchin]

Nice!

[naive tusk]

You really wanted some wine, huh? 😆

Suddenly flower girl 🌹

[untold vortex]

yeah, I was going for the Dio prophecy stuff

so any chance I could pick up a dio boon I took it :3

[naive tusk]

Oh yes, you are doing just like I did when I started playing Hades: I see a scroll, I pick it 📜

[young gorge]

Hehe prophecy hunting is fun

FHDJAF

I mean is that not the way to play?

[naive tusk]

That's how I had no problems at all fulfilling the God prophecies

[young gorge]

I thought the fated prophicies initially told you which one you were more likely to pick

Clearly I was stupid but

[cunning urchin]

Drunken Strike on Malphon makes my heart ache, nevertheless.

[naive tusk]

I know right, Val? Some people are like "I still haven't fulfilled this prophecy yadaa yadaa"

[untold vortex]

I'm like there's a build in here somewhere

[young gorge]

I mean legendaries are the hard part to fulfil though

It took me 90 runs for zeus legendary

[naive tusk]

Ah yes, those 😅

[young gorge]

And I still haven't gotten artermis

[naive tusk]

Wot

[young gorge]

PLEASE ARTERMIS

JUST GIVE ME YOUR LEGENDARY

[untold vortex]

yeah, been trying for fully loaded on arti, the only one I need

[naive tusk]

OMG I gave alma some tips on Artemis' and they got it in the same day. Do you want them as well?

[young gorge]

Same aggy

[cunning urchin]

I skip Chaos Gates too often to get their legendary, but I haven't actively tried to get it yet, anyway.

[young gorge]

YES

Please

I've been trying so desperately

[untold vortex]

yes please peach

[young gorge]

Peach save us

[naive tusk]

Here we go:

• Get True Shot, then Dual Shot + Exit Wounds ASAP and whenever possible.
• Avoid Pressure Points, Deadly Strike and Deadly Flourish. They will make Artemis offer you other boons unrelated to Fully Loaded in the future.
• Whenever you bump into gods other than Artemis, pick their Attack and Special boons. This is so Artemis will be less inclined to offer the boons mentioned before.
• If other gods aren't offering their attack or special boons, pick their Aid and dash boons. The reason is the same as above.
• If possible, try to not get Artemis' duo boons so she will be more inclined to offer you 1 of the 3 boons you need.
  I'm cheering for you 🍀

@cunning urchin 1 good thing about Fated Persuasion is that sometimes you will reroll into Chaos' Legendary 👀

That happened to me twice now

[cunning urchin]

I keep telling people to just play before the patch to get it like I did, but no one listens.

[untold vortex]

Chaos legendary 👀

[young gorge]

Chaos legendary pretty

[untold vortex]

tbf, I wasn't playing much before this patch

[young gorge]

Every time even though there are better stuff for my builds chaos legendary tempts me too much

And I end up not needing the extra dd

[naive tusk]

It's good to see you play it Aggy. I get to see you more in here

But the Chaos DD icon is so pretty!

[wide plover]

what're good specials for chaos shield? zeus? something else?

[naive tusk]

Ares' ⚔️

[cunning urchin]

Curse of Pain, Drunken Flourish, Lightning Flourish.

[young gorge]

I like doom on chaos shield, not sure if it's the best

Zeus on chaos is fun hehe

[cunning urchin]

In that order, pretty much.

[naive tusk]

I like Frost Flourish on it

[young gorge]

Easy stacks!

[naive tusk]

Oh yeah~

[wide plover]

nice, I'll try this out soon then, since I've got the blood to upgrade the shield now

[cunning urchin]

You don't need Chill stacks on dead enemies.

[untold vortex]

they can't move any slower 😉

dead is the slowest one can be, so while the optimal state for enemies, not so optimal for zag

[wide plover]

isn't ares bad vs bosses though? since doom doesn't stack

[naive tusk]

It's not bad, but that's right, it can't stack. Impending Doom is nice though.

Oooor you could get Merciful End 👀

[cunning urchin]

The enemies are all already dead, but no one caught up on that.

[untold vortex]

just make them deader to be safe

[naive tusk]

You know what's also dead? Demeter's love for you ❄️ Just kidding

[cunning urchin]

That's fine. I only need Lady Aphrodite.

[untold vortex]

it's fine Dusa is a great friend anyways

[naive tusk]

"They shall have NOTHING!"

[young gorge]

Demeter, on her way to casually destroy everyone's day

[naive tusk]

I love her so much 💙

SGG has made me realize how much I could love a character without having prior knowledge about them 😄

[cunning urchin]

@wide plover other Special boons can be stronger on bosses specifically, but Chaos Aspect with Curse of Pain's DPS in mob rooms is so much higher than others, you can do 2-3 times the damage with every Special than what other boons would do. It's like dropping a nuke, rooms just explode.

[naive tusk]

You can also do a "throw & run" strategy vs bosses if you want to play it safe.

[untold vortex]

same peach, there's many characters I really quite like despite not having previous knowledge about them :3

[naive tusk]

Vs the Hydra, Curse of Pain is not bad at all.

[wide plover]

@cunning urchin I see, thanks.

[cunning urchin]

A nuke with a 1.1 sec delay.

[naive tusk]

Yooo Mewmew, I just got the perfect quote from Douglas Adams regarding what we talked earlier

[cunning urchin]

RL footage of me using Curse of Pain:

https://tenor.com/view/konosoba-megumin-explosion-gif-7559840

Hmm?

[naive tusk]

"A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools."

Thank you, Civil Engineering 🔨

[cunning urchin]

lol

[naive tusk]

I'm still going to add something to the colored arrows next time I update the charts. They will be much more clear after that 👍

[young gorge]

color codded anything always make things better

[cunning urchin]

Sometimes it can be distracting, and often it's not designed with the colorblind in mind.

[dry ember]

Or the chart illiterate

[cunning urchin]

illeterate

[dry ember]

Touche

[fading moon]

Hello, I played Hades for almost 60 hours, but I'm kinda stuck. I unlocked the sword and the spear bonus aspect almost immediatly, but I can't unlock anything else. I already completed at lest 10 run a couple of witch with heat increased. Is there a quest ti unlock the secret aspect?

[cunning urchin]

Those two are the only hidden aspects that have been added yet.

[fading moon]

Oh I see nvm then, thx

[cunning urchin]

Sure thing!

And welcome!

@dry ember are you looking for this: é?

[neon fiber]

touché*

[young gorge]

fancy e

[dry ember]

Ik, my keyboard doesn't have that

[young gorge]

i wish my keyboard had it

[cunning urchin]

Alt+130 = é

[dry ember]

Europeans and their fancy letter accents, smh.

[true pilot]

Looks fancy when you don't have to remember all the rules on how to use it.

[cunning urchin]

Please stop going off-topic.

Terrible.

[neon fiber]

but the rules are ezpz

lemon squeez

[mystic vale]

It's amazing how many requests I see for "make godmode easier." I mean, I haven't tried it, but I assume the only way to be easier would be developing a literal "I win" button you click to win.

[dry ember]

I think most people are not familiar with the concept of roguelikes and, hence, their difficulty.

[neon fiber]

must not

talk trash

about god mode

[mystic vale]

Ah, for the days of Diablo 1. It was a fine introduction to "roguelikes with the timer off."

I remember learning to never, ever touch those goat shrines. :p

[fierce oracle]

game already is easy enough with all that tonn of upgrades

[neon fiber]

yeah
it's not like the game punishes you from doing too many runs, quite the opposite

[cunning urchin]

To each their own. I've no interest in God Mode, so changes to that really don't affect me at all.

[mystic vale]

I mean, I'm not the kind of world record setting gamer for the most part, and I don't usually difficulty brag, but it amazes me how easy people want some games to be, regardless of genre.

But then I suppose game genies sold like mad, so I shouldn't be surprised.

[neon fiber]

yeah

[stoic thicket]

I'm with Mewmew on that one. If someone wants to have a "I win" button, no skin off my teeth. Haven't ever used it, very likely will never use it, so I don't really care about any of that.

[neon fiber]

there's no fun if there's no challenge unless it's some game like
animal crossing, where the game is especially built to be relaxing or to relax

[mystic vale]

I mean, I get if they don't understand that part of the point of this entire genre is the difficulty.

But I've seen people ask for cheats on some already generally easy games (like video versions of board games.)

[dry ember]

I'm with Anassi, an "I win" button is absolutely fine, that's why things like Spreadfire Chaos Shield Ice Wine etc can be in the game.

#buffspreadfire

[cunning urchin]

It's not a matter of not understanding something. They just want to enjoy the game in their own way. There's plenty to enjoy in the game beyond the difficulty.

[fierce oracle]

Shield is absolutely broken

With that damage reduction while charging

[neon fiber]

lol
poorly balanced passives are different from "press button to take the difficulty away from a game" though
i do agree that some upgrades are objectively better than some others and might need some tuning down

[dry ember]

and that's ok

[fierce oracle]

no bosses can hit me

[mystic vale]

Wait until EM3. :p

[neon fiber]

wait till you get to the EMs

yeah

EM3 is an absolute mess of a fight but that's part of what makes it so fun

[dry ember]

What u mean I obliterated the cow and the fratboy in 1 min top with a good shield build.

[neon fiber]

that and insert theseus panty shot joke here

[dry ember]

I'm an epic gamer.

[narrow halo]

https://imgur.com/iu0CGAM

[neon fiber]

did they have EM though

[dry ember]

Oh yeah

[narrow halo]

What so you think

[stoic thicket]

EM2 alone is usually enough to make me go "yeah nope". I hate having to fight that guy in the tiny area.

[neon fiber]

e🅱️ic gamer time then indeed

[narrow halo]

This was izi

[dry ember]

I think you should hit F12 to printscreen

[neon fiber]

EM2 is not as much of a hassle if you time your dashes well

[dry ember]

Em3 fo2

[stoic thicket]

It's not that it's impossible, it's just very, very annoying.

[narrow halo]

And i forget to include bone hourglass

[dry ember]

Like I said, le epic gamer

[neon fiber]

i do agree that the tiny area means you can get caught off-guard very easily though

[cunning urchin]

A lot of people want fishing legendary fish to be easier, and I'm here feeling like I have an eternity and then some to make a perfect catch. It be like that.

[stoic thicket]

Also I am really, really bad at dashing. Panic takes over very quickly.

[neon fiber]

just put your finger on the screen 4head

[fierce oracle]

I think when chances are smaller, enjoy are higher

[neon fiber]

almost guaranteed leggy fish

[fierce oracle]

when it comes to a roguelike rpg

[raw violet]

as been covered many times before, requests for additions to godmode are typically for players who wish to experience to the story and world elements and who may be limited by their ability to play the mechanics

be that gaming experience, disabilities, or otherwise

[dry ember]

ok boomer

[neon fiber]

then acquire more ability

unless you've got some sort of disability that prevent you from or make the game difficult for you to play, aye

i wouldn't say there's any shame in turning godmode on then

[dry ember]

People don't have time to invest in the game

[cunning urchin]

There's no shame in turning it on either way. It's a game.

[narrow halo]

I think damage reduction is enough to make you reach 5 heat without any planing

[dry ember]

Roguelikes can time consuming to git gud and improve

[narrow halo]

But if you put in the work you can turn the run into easy mode

Not to mention athena dash

[dry ember]

People here really underestimate there gameplay ability.
I do think that if you are on this Discord, you are better than most Hades players.

[mystic vale]

Except me. I'm bloody terrible.

[raw violet]

how people wish to play their game, affects you none

[dry ember]

Not everyone knows how to abuse Divine Dash, SF, Ice Wine or even know that they are an option to start with.

[mystic vale]

Until the PvP update. :p

[narrow halo]

and underestimate their luck sometimes

[raw violet]

allowing people to enjoy the game for things outside the gameplay is just being considerate

[narrow halo]

You can get very lucky in this game because a lot of boons work with each other

[dry ember]

tldr: it's just game, why u hav to be mad.

[mystic vale]

Enjoying a game for things outside the gameplay is going to tvtropes.org and reading about it. The majority of the plot is right there. They don't even have to beat Meg. :p

[dry ember]

Still, #buffspreadfire

[cunning urchin]

Luck can only help you to a point. It's unlikely to clear high heat without some prior strategizing.

[narrow halo]

There’s a huge difference between getting a good weapons set up in dead cells for example and having 3 or more boons that work alongside each other in hades the different is day and night

[neon fiber]

hey, skill is secondary kind of except not really
it doesn't really matter if you're good or not, what matters is that you try
if you keep trying and learning about the game you'll eventually get the skill you didn't have at the start

[dry ember]

Very true

But people don't have time to try

[mystic vale]

I am also godawful at Dead Cells. :p

[cunning urchin]

It doesn't even matter that you try, either. Plenty of other games to play (or other activities) at the end of the day.

[floral maple]

hey, quick question

[cunning urchin]

I am godawful at [games]
—@mystic vale
Does this about sum it up?

[dry ember]

I feel like this is a dead end discussion

[mystic vale]

Nope. I'm good at TBS and RPGs. :p

[dry ember]

@floral maple what's up

[floral maple]

is aspect of zeus and thunder flourish as insane as it sounds

[dry ember]

Yes and no

[neon fiber]

it depends on how well you aim

[dry ember]

Zeus Aspect needs some upgrades

[neon fiber]

the shield does move a bit slow for it to be insanely good

[dry ember]

If so, yes

If no, meh

[floral maple]

would chaos be a better alternative?

[narrow halo]

Yes but arties is much better becuse you can abuse chaos gates and bone hourglass

[dry ember]

Yes

[neon fiber]

more often than not you'll get more mileage from chaos shield's extra copies

[mystic vale]

You don't like yeeting an extremely slow moving dinner platter at enemies able to kill a god?

[dry ember]

Chaos also needs upgrades though

[neon fiber]

yeah but it's easier to set up than zeus

[narrow halo]

Upgrades to what

[raw violet]

bone hourglass is not that useful for zeus shield

since no charon well special damage

[neon fiber]

@mystic vale dining plate hitting shades at an hihgly slow speed

[raw violet]

yet

[narrow halo]

Oh you mean you need to upgrade the weapon

[fierce oracle]

Chaos works always

Unlike others gods

[dry ember]

Yes

[mystic vale]

I presume Zeus aspect is in the game largely as an additional challenge mode. :p

[dry ember]

Shields aspects need a decent amount of blood investment.

Sorry if this wasn't clear before.

[mossy breach]

i wish you could stop the disc by pressing q again

[neon fiber]

you can
but it's only for a second, it comes back to you in a few secs

[cunning urchin]

@floral maple you can compare some damage numbers for the specials of different aspects with different upgrades and boons (at Lv.1) here, if you want: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RhgbgEQ2PvrBskk7tw6RXsR8hzRQuG89W9moUruf-fA/edit?usp=sharing

[floral maple]

thats very nice, thank you!

[narrow halo]

Thunder flourish also needs upgrades because fully upgraded ZA give almost the equivalent of 6 pons upgrades to thuntflouresh so you start powerful from the start

[cunning urchin]

Well, Deadly Flourish needs other buffs to even catch up with Thunder Flourish on Zeus Aspect.

[narrow halo]

Yeah but the attack tic twice more than thunder flourish so you get 60 from the start

[true pilot]

As the person who most recently posted God Mode feedback, I feel like it's important to address the fact that it is an accessibility feature, on a single player game, and a single player game that also brings in the motivator of a strong narrative and art presentation.

[narrow halo]

If you crit alone you get 60 with some 120 vs just 60 + thunder flourish

[true pilot]

It has nothing to do with pls give cheat

[mystic vale]

Which is why it didn't apply to your comment at all.

Nor did I at any point suggest it had to do with recent posts.

[true pilot]

It felt timely.

[mystic vale]

Incorrect assumption.

I explicitly pointed out I was only talking about requests to make it easier.

[raw violet]

his comment still replies to your comment just as well though

[mystic vale]

Even though his comment has nothing to do with my comment, unless my comment has something to do with his in the first place?

[raw violet]

making it easier is just as much a request for accessibility

[mystic vale]

I see you're still sore about yesterday, Krasher.

[raw violet]

there's absolutely no reason to be personal

[cunning urchin]

Hm? Getting crits every once in a while doesn't catch up with Thunder Flourish over a whole run. It doesn't really matter much.

[dry ember]

Ad hominem attacks

Are the most effective

[raw violet]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dry ember]

Me grammar bad

[narrow halo]

yeah but with bosses it can be deadly

[fierce oracle]

Yeash crits are super strong, i prefer them on mitts for singletargeting

And thunders are really good on aoe, i use them on gun

[dry ember]

Crits feel strong cause the numbers are flashy.

I think thunder flourish still outshine crit in certain scenarios though

[fierce oracle]

Just mitts have a hammer perk that gives +5 per attack

[narrow halo]

Crits is always the strongest their weakness is how often they hit and ZA can cover that weakness

[fierce oracle]

With that crits are boosting up

[cunning urchin]

On bosses it matters even less because they have a higher HP pool. Average DPS always wins out in the long run.

[dry ember]

Crit bow would like a word

[true pilot]

But bosses have phases.

[mystic vale]

Yeah, this isn't an ARPG where you can make a build that consistently crits over 50% of the time for +450% damage or something.

[true pilot]

Being able to spike-crit a phase change is a good consideration.

[narrow halo]

Maybe but consider having crits on 300% bosted weapon though

[fierce oracle]

Also arthemide's 1 gauge ult feels inferior

comparent to others

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, 300% isn't something you can get consistently.

[narrow halo]

You have the chance to deal 600%

[mystic vale]

Winning the lottery is great too. That doesn't make it consistent.

[raw violet]

depends on how many boosts you get

[cunning urchin]

It's banking on luck over consistency. Deadly Flourish is the highest DPS Special boon on most weapon aspects—it's not on Zeus Aspect.

[raw violet]

inherent weapon crit, hunter's mark, deadly flourish, pressure points

[narrow halo]

Yeah probably the consistency is the biggest problem with crits ZA

[true pilot]

Zeus also has a very low damage per hit at base.

[fierce oracle]

well his ulti useful in rooms

in every room

[narrow halo]

@cunning urchin but remember you have 2 chances to crit over 1 TF hit

There is another weakness to crit though you have to spend time on Hermes gates to get the speed special

[dry ember]

Does anyone know what the formula for boons offering chance is?

[cunning urchin]

What does Swift Flourish have to do with crits?

[raw violet]

@dry ember there's a bunch of math here: https://hades.gamepedia.com/Chamber_Reward

[fierce oracle]

He means to power them up by speeding attacks

[raw violet]

don't know how up to date that is

[narrow halo]

you get the extra tic i told you about from the speed buff

On normal speed TF is better because it tics every attack

[cunning urchin]

Swift Flourish speeds up all attacks the same.

[dry ember]

Thanks but not for chamber rewards

[narrow halo]

No when you increase the speed The tics will be faster than the thounder Cooldown

[raw violet]

oh i see, the boon offerings

[dry ember]

For boons offered when you interact with Gods

Yeah

[cunning urchin]

300 msec * 0.7 from Epic Swift Flourish is still 210 msec. You'd need Heroic to break that.

[narrow halo]

Really! I didn’t know that

[cunning urchin]

Lightning Bolts can proc every 200 msec.

[fierce oracle]

Prove me if i am wrong: Poseidonus is must fun god

[proven robin]

I would contest this because the most fun god is the Sand Guardian, Guardian of the Sand.

[mystic vale]

Banjo the clown is the most fun god.

[narrow halo]

I assumed the difference in damage because of the CD

[cunning urchin]

Huh, Deadly Flourish can beat Thunder Flourish just barely on Epic rarity with the right multiplier. Loses out otherwise and definitely on other rarities, though. That's funny.

I guess since I'm only going with Epic boons on my primary core boons, personally, Deadly Flourish would be pretty good. Shoutouts to Drunken Flourish on Zeus Aspect, though.

[narrow halo]

what is the more upgrades you talked about on the thunder build ?

Like the jolts effect ?

[cunning urchin]

I didn't mention any upgrades. Probably somebody else.

But yeah, there is plenty of stuff to buff Thunder Flourish damage, too.

[narrow halo]

How about if you have doom in ZA and merciful end while having athena attack

You just hit them while the sheld stuck

And you can increase the damage with impending doom

If you also keep buffing the attack you will get huge damage from 2 sources

[true pilot]

Sounds to me like the potential damage there would be much higher, but it requires a stationary dummy to be consistent.

[naive tusk]

Doggo, that's such a simple feedback yet so much needed

[true pilot]

Shield attack has knockback inherently, you'd need a hammer roll to fix that (for minibosses), and bosses tend to Not Sit Still (tm).

[narrow halo]

You will only suffer with the 3rd boss like you always do with ZA

[raw violet]

it sounds like it would be worth trying

[true pilot]

I feel like it'd be more interesting to have Merciful End on the dash, in that particular ZA case.

[raw violet]

experimentation is a big chunk of the game anyway

[true pilot]

Leash the shield on recall and all of your dashes that brush the boss will detonate the Doom, while bringing the shield back into contact for another Doom application

[narrow halo]

If you do the dash you miss out on the double attack damage

Also if you get heroic Hermes speacial maybe there’s a chance you do 2 procs because of the 🔨 upgrade

[raw violet]

you can dash-attack

[true pilot]

But consider: Hangover Attack, Doom beyblade, Merciful End on dash.

Run Privileged Status with Exposed.

Dash-attack for PS uptime, and every dash detonates a boosted Doom.

[narrow halo]

The hangover will be weak since you don’t invest pons on it

[true pilot]

the point of it would be sustaining PS

You can do it with Aphro for the bigger damage percentage too, it might end up being about the same.

[narrow halo]

But the double attack you can buy buffs from the well since the well dont get you special buffs

[true pilot]

Going that route, using Weak to prop up PS might be better, since Aphrodite offers the highest percentage.

[narrow halo]

It’s more like a methical build though not consistent

[true pilot]

To note, this is like 7 layers of overkill. :P

[restive solar]

I’ve always wondered how the hermes speed upgrade to special interacts with Zeus aspect. Does it increase the damage tick rate or the movement speed of the shield? Never tried it because I was worried the shield would move faster

[fierce oracle]

i suppose shield movement speed

i gonna cheK it out

[dry ember]

@naive tusk since you are here, do you know the formula for the chance of each boon offered?

Like what's the chance for Deadly Strike to show up when you talk to Artemis, for example.

[restive solar]

this is probably common knowledge, but the most I know about boon chances is that you always have a much, much higher chance to be offered boons for unfilled core slots

[dry ember]

Hey thanks! I'm looking for cold numbers for coding purposes. But I appreciate it.

[raw violet]

on my brief google search and discord search, i haven't found anything like a boon offering formula

i suspect it's very complicated

if you make the assumption that all T1 boons are equal you'd have to make a formula that takes a particular gods T1 boons then substract that particular T1 pick up and add T2 boons, etc etc and whatever unlocks based on the boons you pick

you could be the first, fox

might actually need to look at the code

[dry ember]

Yeah probably should ask the modding discord instead. I did some searching too and no dice.

Thanks all!

[raw violet]

oh yeah, that'd be a way better source

[smoky wolf]

decided to do a tight deadline run for the first time in a while - 5 rooms full of shield enemies in Elysium :/

[neon fiber]

nice

[peak iron]

Doesn't feel like much of an achievement for how easy it is to use the shield, but I managed to grind up to 20 heat. You really can't earn anything from the pact after that, huh? http://puu.sh/FPUdQ/4df7554f06.jpg

[floral maple]

instead of getting a boon from athena, you got the whole menu, love it

[dry ember]

I see 32 clear I like.

[peak iron]

I wasn't even trying to get that many athena boons! She just kept popping up

And after I got deadly reversal I would have been a fool to pass on any

[neon fiber]

good luck i'm behind seven deflection boons
-Zag

[floral maple]

7 deflection boons and a shield

amazing

[peak iron]

Literally just SMOrc'd hades down

[floral maple]

he kept trying to poke at the shield

[peak iron]

Is 32 clear that rare?

[floral maple]

is 32 clear the last skelly reward?

[peak iron]

Yes.

[floral maple]

alright, i was wondering why everyone was going for specifically 32

dont have the game that long, dont have the 16 heat statue yet

[neon fiber]

are you guys ready for 64 heat statue on the final update

[floral maple]

words cant describe the fear i feel right now

[unkempt pagoda]

the statue is put right in front of hade's throne

[floral maple]

on the throne

[neon fiber]

the statue becomes the throne

[unkempt pagoda]

is the throne

[neon fiber]

it's a pietá-like skelly holding hades

boom

[floral maple]

hades sits in the lap of a diamond skelly

[neon fiber]

perfection

[dry ember]

32 clears are not that rare.

But it's a good milestone for both gameplay and bragging rights.

[raw violet]

maybe we'll find out when achievements are released

i wouldn't be surprised if it was globally rare

[dry ember]

It certainly doesn't seem that rare here.

Like everyone and their mothers cleared 32 lol

[raw violet]

but not rare at all in this discord/reddit/other

[dry ember]

Agreed

[raw violet]

it's still an achievement on its own since you're basically going above and beyond for little reward

[true pilot]

32 shield is not uncommon. But what bout the other weapons?

[raw violet]

fox doesn't even know how to use the shield

[dry ember]

I've seen some fists and a rather large bunch of people cleared 32 with all weapons

What is shield?

Is it edible?

[unkempt pagoda]

me, having barely reached double digits heat: ...

[raw violet]

everything is edible if you try hard enough

i believe in you

[dry ember]

Aight bet I'll eat a shield

[raw violet]

it would be interesting to see the statistics though

[dry ember]

Full launch please

[mighty ermine]

my next step from 32 heat all weapons is surely... all aspects, i guess

no i'm not doing 50 heat i am not a masochist

[dry ember]

No balls.

[raw violet]

what? you don't like rng in your rng?

[dry ember]

Although I want to see you clear 32 heat with Excalibur

[raw violet]

to fight your rng

[dry ember]

Preferably not with special build.

[mighty ermine]

max approval process

[dry ember]

Just route the thing

5head

[raw violet]

does excalibur even have a good special build?

it's so slow

[mighty ermine]

wait yeah fox

[dry ember]

You can probably take Super Nova

And dash cancel for some safety

[mighty ermine]

i wouldn't have thought a special build for excal especially on 32 would be

well, too viable?

[raw violet]

unless he mean, no using the special

[neon fiber]

yeah, if you're doing an exca build you're better off focusing on the attack

[raw violet]

for the aura

baseball swings only

[neon fiber]

rather than its special

[dry ember]

I meant an attack focused build

[mighty ermine]

max hard labor on the slowest attack speed melee weapon and no special damage mitigation... OOF

[dry ember]

I can see with some luck a special build with Excalibur can be a push over

[mighty ermine]

maybe yeah, though i feel like a good special speed buff from hermes would definitely be in order

and even then with FO2, might be kinda slow-ish

[dry ember]

I do think a special build with Super Nova Double Nova Deadly Flourish can be donr

Fo1

The other points can go to cprogram

Since you probably will be overkilling with crit

[raw violet]

Wriste, who did 46, was saying he thought the worst pact option for excalibur was FO and had the least success with it turned up

[dry ember]

Also I'm theory crafting, don't @ me too hard

[raw violet]

relatively speaking

[neon fiber]

@dry ember too hard

[mighty ermine]

@dry ember

[raw violet]

probably referencing her chart

for the hard numbers

[dry ember]

Why do Arte boons have to be so needlessly complicated...

[raw violet]

don't worry, when v1.0 drops, there'll be more boons

so everyone can be complicated

[mighty ermine]

yeah, look on the bright side

we can get even more complex

[dry ember]

Smh just give me Deadly Strike Deadly Flourish and Hunter Dash

The rest can be whatev

[naive tusk]

OMG I didn't see the mention 😱

[dry ember]

Smh my head

[naive tusk]

Heeey discord was being dumb D:

Anyways, thank goodness I scrolled up because I hate ignoring people

About your question about a formula, each god has its own "priority boons" pool when offering boons in the selection screen. This means that each god will offer you at least 1 of these priority boons whenever possible (excluding replacements). After that, it's all RNG as far as I know.

[real garden]

are the chances of getting a specific duo boon less if you get it the previous run?

[naive tusk]

This is Zeus' priority boons, for example:
PriorityUpgrades = "ZeusWeaponTrait", "ZeusSecondaryTrait", "ZeusRushTrait", "ZeusRangedTrait"
Meaning, Zeus will offer you his attack, special, dash and cast if you don't have anything in those boon slots.

[cunning urchin]

Maybe you could highlight priority boons in the charts in some way.

[naive tusk]

Whyyyyyyyyy D:

[raw violet]

see fox? it could always get more complicated

and it did

[naive tusk]

Fun fact I noticed from this: Zeus doesn't care if you have a call boon or not, he will only lend his Aid whenever he feels like it

[dry ember]

Zzz. It's k. One step at a time.

[naive tusk]

Since his call isn't a priority boon, you know.

[dry ember]

Hmm

Aight I'll dig into that a bit later. I need to actually get some work done lol. See y'all in like a couple of hours.

[raw violet]

are there values associated with these priority upgrades?

[naive tusk]

I haven't seen any values from my digging, which is why I assume it's RNG after the god considers his priority boon check.

Someone who has read the whole file might know better

[raw violet]

interesting

explains some of the runs i've had trying to get particular Zeus boons

[mighty ermine]

my first attempt of 32 arthur had me barely lose to EM3 theseus and asterius had no attack boon until elysium and patroclus didn't want to show up

FO2 longspears are the worst with this

[raw violet]

FO2 > arthur super armor

unfortunately

[mighty ermine]

yeah

it's funny because its special animation definitely reads as the kind of action that would have a decent amount of superarmor on it

but it doesn't

[naive tusk]

🐰 : "Use the Brake! (V)"

[peak iron]

The more I use the shield, the more it really feels like it's got some bugs to work out.

There are a lot of times where Zag just won't auto-swing when he catches it, and I can't tell what the trigger is.

[silver solstice]

Switched in the middle from being a dash-attack build to a special build, but it worked out for my first adamant clear

https://imgur.com/MhC5bid

Missiles away

[peak iron]

Bahahaha

It's like you switched to soldier from TF2

[silver solstice]

exactly

[cunning urchin]

There are a lot of times where Zag just won't auto-swing when he catches it, and I can't tell what the trigger is.
Probably just input buffer leniency.

[peak iron]

Could be. I just hope it doesn't stay that way.

[wide plover]

how often does zeus aid's lightning hit? is it 60 per second, or 60 several times per second?

[main osprey]

A few times per second

[wide plover]

I had that impression, but wanted to have a precise number so I could calculate the damage and effectiveness of poms on zeus aid vs e.g. trippy shot

[mighty ermine]

@dry ember @raw violet https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/654076105321480226/715642851966320770/20200528140731_1.jpg

[main osprey]

Dang, nice

[raw violet]

tankyboi

[mighty ermine]

the morale from dio's positive outlook must have cinched it

[dry ember]

The lad did it

With FO2 no less

[raw violet]

should've highlighted the spent spirit

[mighty ermine]

oh man the spent spirit

i actually sold it earlier for 450 obols

got it again later

[dry ember]

Lmao

[wide plover]

a profitable arrangement

[raw violet]

@naive tusk would be proud of the spent spirit

[dry ember]

Should have kept it to keep it out of the pool

Smh

[naive tusk]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/e1052f7108fd0998fbce912c562891e5/tenor.gif?itemid=12778977
I've been summoned yet again!

[mighty ermine]

i actually have to admit ok, the slow aura combined with spent spirit made dad's skulls mostly a total non-issue

only got hit by like two or three when i was playing kinda sloppy

[naive tusk]

Why would I be proud of someone who SOLD Spent Spirit

[mighty ermine]

hey wait you don't understand, i knew i would get it again!

that's it!

[naive tusk]

OK, I believe you

Also, I love you all

[dry ember]

How did you do timewise?

As in is TD2 possible?

[mighty ermine]

let's just say i wouldn't have survived with TD2

i bet it's possible

but i never had any crazy momentum going

got not great sack luck in styx and elysium was just rough overall, as it is in 32

[dry ember]

Fair enough.

[mighty ermine]

probably would be easier with supplementary chaos boons with a heart rend build

maybe priv status

i just didn't go for chaos because their portal showed up every time there was a chamber i wanted

or a boon to dilute what i'd have to sell for underworld customs

i recorded the run roughly from right before tisiphone up to the very end, if that interests anyone

[stoic thicket]

Okay so Guan Yu is really damn good. Have to admit I slept on that thing big time.

[cunning urchin]

No Jury Summons nor Calisthenics Program would have saved you a lot of time.

[wintry plume]

any tips for the Hydra please?

I'm having trouble with the heads specifically, sometimes there's too much of them

[stoic thicket]

Second phase can get kind of hectic because a lot of stuff is going on. Try to focus on one side first and don't leave the Hydra itself out of your eyes. If you have something like Athena Dash you can also reflect stuff back to the heads and damage them with their own waves and such things.

[cunning urchin]

Look at the color of the heads, they have different attacks. Yellow ones are the most dangerous to look out for because they do the AOE head slam. If you don't pay attention to them, they'll do a lot of damage.

[wintry plume]

Yeah i looked on the wiki there's something like five of them? Red green purple yellow and blue?