I play on keyboard. R is not the worst, but it still feels like a lot more micro than I find fun.
#h1-builds-and-combat
true pilot
dry ember
fair enough.
true pilot
Here's hoping for something very clever as a 4th aspect.
dreamy raven
if you can just reload every time you dash it works amazing
somber marlin
Right thumb stick on controller isn't too bad.
Launch your special every time you reload. Rocket or missile, it should be a blast!
dry ember
here is a Hestia run on 23 heat. ok ish build, nothing to write home though. I face tanked TD damage for the entire phase 2 Hades
true pilot
TD is the scariest enemy in the game. @_@
somber marlin
Maybe I should capture and share my winning builds. My numbers aren't anything to write home about, but I play this game to have fun. :3
dry ember
Sack RNG is the scariest enemy in the game
somber marlin
I usually fully clear the temple anyways, so it hasn't been a problem for me. My biggest worry has been hoping that it falls on a boss track so I don't have to fight the boss. :P
dry ember
Yeah. First room never has sack
So if you really don't want to fight mini boss
Don't go first room mini boss
true pilot
Mini boss tends to be the easiest to me. Small arena, few or out-of-the-way traps. One big enemy that Meg can whisk away. (or two, with Middle Management, but hey).
Unless it's the Tiny Vermin.
dry ember
I agree.
true pilot
Then I cry.
dry ember
Usually I actually pick according to reward
Mini boss can be done quickly with companion
General end room can be quite lengthy
somber marlin
I don't have a problem with fighting a boss. Even the Tiny Vermin, as long as I hover near the cure. And possibly a button for the shiny blades from above.
proven robin
Funnily, I take the miniboss rooms first.
Because if I'm gonna take damage, I want to find them before the sack room, so that the healing can be put to use.
...Also, yeah, Sisyphus is a huge help.
true pilot
I prefer Meg to skip Theseus, but Sisyphus is so tempting for Styx...
main osprey
(please don't spoil what they do)
true pilot
They do... stuff. :P
dry ember
for me, 1 companion charge for Tartarus and asphodel, 2 for elysium, 2 for styx
true pilot
0 in Tartarus, 1 for Hydra, 1 for Theseus, 1 for each mini-boss in Styx. 5th wildcard charge if I ever get in a panic situation.
Sometimes I forget to use it on Hydra.
dry ember
i for sure use 2 in elysium
miniboss and bossfights
seriously, TD dictates so many things I do in this game lol
true pilot
I haven't needed to change my pattern for TD1. Only ever did TD2 with Chaos Shield, so that didn't need any summons at all.
(And then I died to TD1 in Tartarus trying to run Hera Bow. So go me.)
somber marlin
I'm confused by some of these acronyms.
dry ember
TD is Tight Deadline
A pact option that allows you an allotted amount of time to clear a stage
9 and 7 minutes respecitively
Hera Chaos Zag etc refer to weapon aspects
I'm not sure if you unlocked those yet
somber marlin
I know my rail will probably remain with Zag. I like the ammo more than I like the other bonuses. I'll hold judgement for the final form.
somber marlin
I've beat dad for the first time. :P So I have the game unlocked.
raw violet
game's only just begun
somber marlin
I was hesitant about it, but I unlocked the Chiron bow against my better judgement and.....actually had a lot of fun with it. Got a Chaos special on it and messed things up!
dry ember
yeah if people throw out acronyms around, 9 times out of 10 they are referring to pact options.
turbid needle
Chiron with Heartbreak Strike, Deadly Flourish, and lots of Chaos boons.
dry ember
The dream
somber marlin
Ahhhh, so just look at that pacts and I should be okay. Good to know!
raw violet
chiron with poseidon special and sea storm is a lot of fun
dry ember
does the knockback stack for each arrow?
turbid needle
I thought they broke that, and yes.
dry ember
or is it more than a nudge
turbid needle
It was nerfed from the first time Chiron launched because it pushed bosses across the arena.
dry ember
technically yes but not really
turbid needle
But a full volley pushes enemies pretty well.
somber marlin
I think I might focus a little more on Chiron's aspect. Do we know the fourth aspect on the bow yet?
raw violet
enough to keep an aggro hades from gaining ground
somber marlin
How high does EM go? o.O
dry ember
3 at the moment
one for each boss
Supposedly they will add EM4 which will apply to Hades also
but nothing confirmed so don't quote me on that.
somber marlin
shudders
dry ember
EM can be fun. They actually change boss mechanics
somber marlin
I just did an HS run, and got stabbed running past Meg.
What might be a good beginner condition?
dry ember
how fast are your clears?
somber marlin
45 minutes? I have only 2 to draw from here. :P
dry ember
if it's around 30 mins, turn on Tight Deadline 1. it helps with time management.
other wise I would suggest EM
but afaik every one is different
raw violet
forced overtime for me
dry ember
just try them all out 😄
raw violet
it's not the easiest option per se
somber marlin
When I ran EM, I got Meg with her sisters helping. x.x
dry ember
yeah Forced Overtime is solid for long turn improvement
but also agree on the not easiest option
raw violet
but once you're used to it, it becomes a chunk of free heat for all future runs
hades is probably the most drastic change of FO
which may not sound particularly enticing
dry ember
I think you can just do soft pact runs. Hold yourself to certain conditions without actually enabling them
like limit the amount of gold you can use, try to beat 9 mins per stage etc.
if it gets dire then break the rule
otherwise just self impose it.
I do it for Underworld Customs and Convenience Fee options
just pretend I have to sell things and buy less stuff
true pilot
I have started running Convenience Fee and just skipping every shop.
main osprey
I personally find Damage Control to be easy for me
dry ember
I run bow. Damage Control is pain
main osprey
that's def the hardest to run DC on
raw violet
damage control alone is probably not a bad option either
main osprey
but I also use Chiron, so if I focus special DC isn't an issue
dry ember
hestia rail is actually kinda annoying too with DC but at least doable
true pilot
Damage Control gets really bad if you combine it with Benefits Package 2.
main osprey
that's definitely true
raw violet
yes
raw violet
those small, fast, weak enemies feel like they benefit particularly hard from some BP options + DC
dry ember
yeah some combo are just terrible
like the Bruiser and Puller witch
with a melee weapon you are but guaranteed to take damage
somber marlin
How does DC work? I've been a little confused about that.
true pilot
Bruiser + Anything is a pain.
dry ember
Damage Control gives everything a shield
main osprey
for one hit
dry ember
that negates one instance of damage
main osprey
^
raw violet
dc absorbs any hit
main osprey
higher levels, more hits
raw violet
regardless of how much damage that one hit does
dry ember
yeah, that's why it can be painful with bow
when your fire rate is relatively low
and a pushover with fists or rail
raw violet
just get triple shot and shotgun fire it
main osprey
chiron also works well
somber marlin
So.....a rail would take that out pretty quick. Sounds like an okay first time condition.
main osprey
yup
dry ember
yeah sure
somber marlin
HS is a terrible pick if you're anything like me. I frequently find myself on top of traps.
dry ember
HS is an acquired taste
I got insta gib the couple of first times I ran it
it gets better though
raw violet
i like HS cause it's a deterrent for bad habits
somber marlin
I was also thinking of trying JS. I figured that might translate into more coinage, provided I can dodge them all.
Bad habits?
dry ember
JS is ok. I personally never use it due to Tight Deadline
raw violet
if you're getting hit by them a lot, HS punishes you
so HS is a nice way to remind myself to avoid traps
rather than be sloppy
somber marlin
It's mostly the floor traps that get me. I'm mostly good at dodging them. But it might be good training for getting me out of the habit of not moving off them.
Seems that a lot of these have a hidden perk when you think about it. :P
dry ember
or you can go the extreme route, turn on 32 heat on see how long you can survive
Forced Overtime 2 does have its quirk.
somber marlin
Except TD. I don't know how I can pull anything from that.
raw violet
i personally wouldn't recommend TD til you're either comfortable or you're the type of player that doesn't mind a timer
but most people really don't like that external pressure
somber marlin
I'll run a Heat 52 run and hope for the best. :P
somber marlin
Everything but TD. :P
dry ember
btw 32 heat is the highest you can use and still get somekind of reward
somber marlin
If I'm doing this, I'm at least taking.....hmmm, shield or fists?
somber marlin
Oh....this hurts already. Only one pick for boons.
Truly random then! No say in the direction!
Ouch. Bitten by a skull in the third room.
opal glade
hey real quick i just finished elysium and i want more casts cause i now have 3 and im spinning to win (Ares cast, hunting blades, flurry shot) at this point what other ways can i get cast
somber marlin
Only through the mirror, I think.
dry ember
hmm if you finished Elysium, that may be it
opal glade
aww dang
raw violet
pray to chiron wells
dry ember
you can hunt for Arte legendary
opal glade
unlikely to get art legendary ngl
dry ember
but that's usually a pipe dream
opal glade
i only got her once this entire run
raw violet
bone hourglass + charon wells could get you an extra cast or two
opal glade
oh okay yeah
dreamy raven
yeah get the charon trinket
raw violet
pending on luck
turbid needle
Can't get Artemis's Legendary if you don't have the prereqs before picking up Slicing Shot.
dry ember
yeah get the temp cast. perma cast rn is unlikley.
turbid needle
Exit Wounds won't spawn with it.
opal glade
at this point i'll take anything for the memes XD https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/602533349898321931/714676155013136424/unknown.png?width=1204&height=677
dry ember
looking good.
somber marlin
So if I were to start spending blood on my sword, which aspect should I look at? Nemesis or Zag?
turbid needle
You need to max Zag for a specific questline.
But it's definitely the weakest option of the three available right now.
somber marlin
I was thinking Nemesis to get that crit. I don't need Posiden since I use Stygian Soul on my mirror.
turbid needle
Nemesis is hella fun.
somber marlin
And no, it's 5 blood on the sword, not 5 blood on Zag's.
opal glade
should i take liGHTNING ROD
raw violet
poseidon is still good regardless of your cast mirror option
dry ember
nemesis is fun and is ok even at level one
turbid needle
No, it's 5 blood on Zag for a different questline.
raw violet
half the casts don't even take advantage of poseidon's special ability
opal glade
hell yeh hell yeh
honestly i dont know how good it'll work with greater recall
but MEMES
turbid needle
It doesn't.
dry ember
don't let your memes be dream
turbid needle
Greater Recall breaks Lightning Rod's functionality.
somber marlin
Nemesis is cheaper in the short run, so I might start with that because I can get more use out of it.
raw violet
but over half the duo casts
raw violet
so i just averaged it over a nonscientific amount
turbid needle
Fair enough.
opal glade
i think it'd be funny if lightning rod just hit casts no matter the state they're in
cause just
turbid needle
That would be a tremendous buff and make it worth picking up pretty much every time.
turbid needle
Artemis gets another busted Duo
somber marlin
You know.....AP2 might be a fun way to go through a Heat 4 run. :P
turbid needle
5 Heat.
somber marlin
Indeed!
opal glade
Arty deserves better, she is my handle's namesake afterall
somber marlin
What? You don't want to leave your run truly up to the Fates?
naive tusk
Ohey, good to see you here Artemst! 
dry ember
The Fates hate me
somber marlin
The fates are random, they can't hate you all the time.
dry ember
I don't want to swap my dash 4 times
somber marlin
You at least get two with the mirror! :3
raw violet
sure, if you extend time to infinity
opal glade
hello Heartful
raw violet
they'll never hate you all the time
somber marlin
And think of how awesome AP2 would be with Chaos! :D
opal glade
demeter's boons drop off in usability towards endgame
dry ember
On a long enough timeline every one's survive rates drop to zero.
opal glade
i feel getting her at styx is just 'which boon is the least not bad'
raw violet
okay tyler
opal glade
i got nourished soul and rare crop in the last chamber and );
somber marlin
I don't know, if you can get explosions on 10 chills, I think it does pretty well. And it slows Hades a bit.
dry ember
I took a chaos boon that hurts when you auto
somber marlin
Demeter is fun!
dry ember
I special Meg to death
main osprey
which weapon?
dry ember
just a few dozen upper cut to the face
opal glade
i love demeter on attack/dash
main osprey
ah
opal glade
builds up chill really easy
somber marlin
I've taken the one when I attack. That hurts. A lot. I can survive without casts easily, less so without specials.
opal glade
- privilege stacked with weak means easy +40%
somber marlin
I did one run where I found Chaos something like 5 times, thank goodness I had his egg. I was a mess, but it was so much fun. :D
Actually, that's the run I made it out with my shield the first time.
naive tusk
Her cast used to have a bigger AoE and it wasn't so bad back then 
Now it feels like you have to hug shades in order to hit them 
dry ember
Kill them with love
mystic vale
AoE effects are not that great when the AoE is "inside your pants."
opal glade
I quite like crush shot, it does quite high one shot damage
tho the short range does make it a bit challenging
mostly the timing of it helps, cause the weak status is a bit longer sometimes, so i wont forget to re-apply if that makes sense
also leaves open attack/dash for statuses that stack
darn, i keep getting Fisher King in the run ending is there any way to like, get others?
it's either Fisher King or Olympian Caller
cunning urchin
Her cast used to have a bigger AoE and it wasn't so bad back then
Now it feels like you have to hug shades in order to hit them
That's really how it feels now.
turbid needle
"Robbed Thanatos" takes priority over everything else, I think.
opal glade
from before the Night update? >re: aprho cast
raw violet
and i love it
cunning urchin
I think so? I just know it had better AOE in my early runs.
opal glade
ahkay
raw violet
@opal glade https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/fi6hgy/all_special_victory_messages_updated_for_nighty/
opal glade
i only started playing in the beginning of May so I'm used to it being that short range i believe
raw violet
those are conditions for titles
opal glade
hoh
main osprey
quick question, I don't think I've noticed this aura around a boon before?
is that just an extra thing saying "hey this is good"
cunning urchin
I actually thought it was just me until I saw @naive tusk's message saying the same. 
turbid needle
Increased rarity on the reward, but it's always accompanied by that boss skull or something like it to denote a greater challenge on the room.
naive tusk
Wat
turbid needle
That specifically I think is a miniboss.
cunning urchin
Crush Shot AOE.
turbid needle
At one point Crush Shot was a shotgun that pierced Armor.
naive tusk
If you mean the sparkles, then yeah. It will be an upgraded reward and you will have to face a mini-boss.
main osprey
Mmkay. Just hadn't noticed the red aura before
naive tusk
For example, if it's a Centaur Heart, you will get +50 instead of the usual +25. If it's a boon, the boon will be guaranteed to be of higher rarity.
raw violet
it'll be there for all miniboss rooms and all boons for sale at styx
and all erebus rooms
main osprey
danke ^.^
naive tusk
Not all boons for sale at Styx though. Only those who are more expensive than usual (450 obols).
main osprey
ye
raw violet
yes all
it's in the game files
the rarity override apparently applys to all, regardless of cost
naive tusk
You sure? There are boons which are priced 150 obols. Poms which are priced 100 only raise 1 lv while those who cost 300 will lv twice.
raw violet
yes, the poms aren't
naive tusk
Oh, is that so? Then I will be buying the cheaper ones 1st lol
I always saved for the more expensive ones so I get a better rarity bargain but not anymore~
raw violet
the pricing difference is a little strange so i dunno if that was intentional or not
since someone mined the game files and saw this was not the case
naive tusk
Probably not. Cheaper boons give the impression they are normal boons while the expensive ones give the impression that they will be of higher rarity 
turbid needle
Am I reading this conversation correctly, the 150 Obol Boons are rarity-boosted as well?
raw violet
supposedly
naive tusk
According to someone who read the code, yes.
main osprey
I would offer to test, but there aren't any 150 boons for sale rn
naive tusk
Well, I will be keeping an eye out on the 150 obol boons. See if they ever offer me a common rarity boon, which they shouldn't according to this info.
dry ember
how do you data mine the game?
cunning urchin
With a pickaxe.
raw violet
i've gotten common rarity from the cheaper ones, but i've also gotten legendaries and duos
it's kind of a hard thing to verify
BoonRaritiesOverride =
{
LegendaryChance = 0.1,
EpicChance = 0.25,
RareChance = 0.90
},
that was the line of code they found that applied to all the aforementioned boons
naive tusk
But upgraded boons shouldn't offer common rarity boons, as far as I know...
I never got offered a Common rarity boon when going into a miniboss chamber.
raw violet
i don't think i've paid close enough attention to know
but i also don't think that i've never been offered a common rarity
lemme look through some youtube videos, this should be reasonably easy to verify
naive tusk
@dry ember If you are interested in that kind of stuff, there's a Hades modding server promoting itself in #self-promotion
dry ember
thanks much. will check it out.
main osprey
...what happens if the boons menu is full and I try to get a new boon?
naive tusk
It will get expanded. There's no limit in how many boons you can get
main osprey
good ^.^"
raw violet
@naive tusk https://i.imgur.com/cMvnDaA.png
common boon offered after butterfly room in elysium
grim loom
oof
naive tusk
Oof!
grim loom
@dry ember i sort of get dodging the attacks? but it's so hard to do that consistently
naive tusk
That's a scam! 💀 
dry ember
do you have the 2 dash upgrades from the mirror?
raw violet
i'll have to start paying attention to future cheap boon offerrings in styx
dry ember
sorry if those questions seem so basic but I have no idea where you are at
naive tusk
Well, if it's possible to get Common boons in a butterfly room, then it's possible to get Common boons in Styx as well
I think it shouldn't be like that though. You went through the hassle of beating a miniboss, make them all higher rarity 
raw violet
i never really paid all the much attention to the rarity i'm offered in styx
grim loom
ah right,, i have almost everything in the mirror maxed out save for the yellow sides of the last two slots, and have escaped with every weapon except the sword which is what ive been struggling with
raw violet
well, to be fair, there's a duo boon in that offering, so it's not like it was all common rarity
dry ember
ok that's great! quick and dirty trick is to equip acorn. To me, acorn > skelly tooth even
naive tusk
All 3 should be anything but Common rarity though! 
In case you don't want Lightning Rod a duo boon, you know.
dry ember
another is to get athena call
grim loom
ahh. i usually have been equipping boon keepsakes for things i'm specifically going for
raw violet
#bufflightningrod
turbid needle
#replaceLightningRodwithFreakAccident
grim loom
right
dreamy raven
does poseidon's rupture not work vs bosses?
dry ember
most things with deflect will keep the skull off you
grim loom
(also wait why are people complaining about lightningrod)
dry ember
it's a sub optimal duo boon
raw violet
you're allowed to enjoy anything you want
grim loom
invincibility frames
naive tusk
It's a very particular boon to use, and you have to take the extra effort to make it work efficiently.
sudden dagger
So when you dash it negates some damage you would have taken
naive tusk
Also, Rupture works on bosses 🌊
dry ember
yeah, negate all damage if you time it right.
raw violet
by definition, i frames negate all damage
grim loom
if you get hit during 'invincibility frames' then yea ^ negate all damage
naive tusk
Btw, nice to meet someone who likes Lightning Rod for once ⚡
dry ember
yeah, so tldr for Hades fight: Acorn (level 3 preferably, it's good. I almost always use it for 20+ heat), Divine Dash and Athena Call for quick and dirty deflect, which can "kill" the skull outright or at least keep it off you. The rest is just ... practice?
naive tusk
I will let you know, I pick it when I'm doing a run where I'm ignoring my casts altogether lol
naive tusk
And sell it, I presume? 
turbid needle
sell it in a Styx branch
dreamy raven
I'll be honest I tried using Lightning Rod + just sit afk in block mode with shield
but it took too long for anything
was funny tho
raw violet
true
grim loom
fair enough... i'll get there eventually i suppose
naive tusk
Heeey now. Don't let haters extinguish the love you have for a boon
Spread the love 
Just like how I keep getting bashed for spreading Poseidon's love
dry ember
Yeah. One day I will debut my Poseidon Fists with Huge Catch Legendary on 57 Heat.
turbid needle
You keep smashing us into walls, how are we supposed to be happy about that?
magic dagger
poseidon can clear styx chambers in seconds
turbid needle
It's just Michael Scott shoulderchecking Toby into the wall on repeat every time Peach is in chat.
dry ember
and asphodel or elysium in a couple of hours.
naive tusk
I still remember the ultimate offering Poseidon gave me in my last Styx room as it were yesterday
I went for his most OP boon ofc
magic dagger
boon that creates a watery blast after wall slam, which usually causes more wall slams and watery blasts?
😘 👌
Is it just me or is EM2 actually harder than EM3?
naive tusk
But normal Theseus & Asterius is easier ._.
magic dagger
once you get used to the new attack pattern
cunning urchin
Technically, it's not that invincible frames on dash negate any damage if you get hit but that you can't get hit in the first place because there's no hurtbox.
magic dagger
em3 is easier than no em3
dry ember
EM3 is easier than no EM3 agreed
magic dagger
because you don't have to deal with the champion of block for most of the fight, he's just joyriding
dry ember
you can actually hit Theseus
Especially with FO2, hitting normal Theseus can be challenge
EM3 Theseus is a damage sponge.
turbid needle
Nope, EM3 is harder than no EM3.
cunning urchin
Yeah, definitely harder.
magic dagger
just don't get hit
dry ember
5head
dreamy raven
we're talking when they get gold armor and chariot?
dry ember
yeah
naive tusk
I will make some 🍿
turbid needle
Theseus stands still just a little too much waiting for fanfare, but Asterius's spin is absolutely ridiculous, as are Theseus's bombs when he's actually trying and not just sitting there eating damage.
dreamy raven
yeah idk. usually I kill the bull while ignoring theseus. with EM3 that's much harder to do
so EM3 is harder IMO
raw violet
i focus mino on em3, easier to manage the bombs while fighting spin to win
no EM, i just try to group them together
warm cloud
I find Demeter easiest - it's a predictable pattern
Zeus, on the other hand, is rough
dreamy raven
I just save my call for second phase of Theseus. then just greater call burst him while he does his call
warm cloud
It's just random damage zones that land all over the place and hit pretty fast.
Well okay, Demeter is a little harder than Artemis
cunning urchin
I dodge his calls by uppercutting him into oblivion.
naive tusk
@cunning urchin That feedback about Demeter has gotten so many upvotes LOL
cunning urchin
It's good feedback.
dry ember
Her nourished soul is a bit mediocre
dry ember
I treat it like an Athena Defiance
turbid needle
Nourished Soul is great.
magic dagger
Huh? Nourished Soul is great.
@cunning urchin max out lasting consequences and say that again
naive tusk
Tis a sacrifice we will make
raw violet
nourished soul is savior of all lasting consequence runs
not all
most
i take it back
turbid needle
Maxed LC is overrated as a Heat option.
dry ember
LO?
cunning urchin
Lasting Onsequences.
raw violet
is it overrated?
dry ember
ah yes the infamous
raw violet
who's even trying to take that option other than peopl ewho have to take it for 40+ heat
naive tusk
I max LC when using Guan Yu though
raw violet
i guess more like 45+ heat, probably don't have to take it for 40
max lc doesn't let you heal with guan yu
naive tusk
It does!
raw violet
does it?
dry ember
what
naive tusk
I have done plenty of runs with it
magic dagger
nice.
dry ember
Hermes dash is also not affected by LC yes?
naive tusk
I think it is affected but can't confirm.
naive tusk
I wouldn't have completed this if that wasn't the case lol
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/710856989416226886/714697502758273024/32_Heat_Guan_Yu_Spear.png
magic dagger
Quik spin + big spin = win
raw violet
but i'm not sure i'll try that tactic
cunning urchin
How did you do that without Divine anything?
umbral lagoon
spin to win
naive tusk
Demeter best grandma 💙 ❄️
dry ember
Cause Peach is good and needs no crutches
raw violet
lol
dry ember
Although Athena Aid
cunning urchin
Why are shades being thrown at me?
naive tusk
Zeus' Aid ☝️
raw violet
it's really only one shade
raw violet
is that pre or post broken spearpoint nerf?
naive tusk
That's post nerf. You can see version at the top 👍
magic dagger
btw, do higher rarity arctic blasts deal more damage?
raw violet
guess i can't help you then, mew. peach, indeed, needs no crutches
naive tusk
I don't know if Cursed Slash is affected by LC but my guess is that it uses the same mechanic as GY's regen so probably not.
I feel validated
dry ember
can't quite say the same for someone else lol
cunning urchin
Hey, at least I was faster.
naive tusk
I blame BK music for that. In fact, I will make a post in #music so Schpoon can finally know why I take my sweet time clearing runs lol
Or anyone else if they are curious 😆
turbid needle
I still listen to in-game music.
And sometimes I sit in Eurydice's room for two minutes.
turbid needle
It already does.
dry ember
huh
cunning urchin
lol
dry ember
I thought it only stops when you talk to her
turbid needle
Once I stayed before it paused for a minute just to flex on myself.
cunning urchin
Noob.
Maybe there should be a visual indicator when it stops. A lot of people don't seem to notice.
magic dagger
sometimes I go through my old screenshots and think about the fact that my first clear was a shield run with knockback, but no rupture and no sea storm
wth was I doing back then
shrewd brook
shield was the first time I managed to get through a run. it was like 40+ minutes igt but it was still a win
naive tusk
Mystery unveiled. Gu-huh
cunning urchin
Most of my screenshots are every line Lady Aphrodite says even when I've already seen the line before.
And then I never actually look at them, but it's . . . it's important to have them!
dry ember
hmm my first win was with rail and lightning strike and athena aid
with delta chamber
at least my taste wasn't too bad lol
turbid needle
I miss my son.
magic dagger
possibly the best boon for the rail's attack
dreamy raven
my first win was zeus aspect shield. since I didn't know how anything moved the spin did most of the job :)
raw violet
my first win was the mewmew special
dry ember
it only took 38 mins yikes
raw violet
divine fists
cunning urchin
Mewmew*
raw violet
fixed
cunning urchin
Ty
raw violet
yw
dry ember
I wonder what is the percentage of first clear weapons
I hope SSG is keeping track and will release it one day. Would be cool figures.
dry ember
I think it's Divine Fists.
magic dagger
was that fists with divine strike
monstrous
dry ember
Since she didn't answer...
raw violet
yes
magic dagger
usually, yeah
naive tusk
Wowzers! 
magic dagger
I don't use it anymore, because I prefer not using the malphon combo
turbid needle
Which is an AoE attack.
dry ember
does it block the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune?
turbid needle
Yup.
cunning urchin
It more than blocks, it deflects.
magic dagger
basically it's athena's call, all the time
dry ember
unless damage comes from behind
cunning urchin
I tried it because somebody else recommended it.
magic dagger
unless damage comes from behind
@dry ember but why would you face away from your enemies, blackguard
cunning urchin
I like it most on Demeter Aspect at the moment. With Heartbreak Flourish or Deadly Flourish for DPS.
dry ember
add a little TM on top of it
cunning urchin
Also technically not my invention, I tried it because somebody else had recommended it here.
dreamy raven
most interesting stat I would be interested is Infernal Soul vs Stygian Soul
turbid needle
Wobbles didn't invent Wobbling.
dreamy raven
I'm from Stygian Soul gang unless playing poseidon sword
naive tusk
Can't TM but add Creative Commons 🥁
cunning urchin
I can already see it.
magic dagger
Mewmew special®️
cunning urchin
newbie: "I need help with fists, I can't beat Hades. 
"
you lads: "If you need crutches, have you tried the Mewmew Special?"
raw violet
let's be real, very few people are going to catch a wobbling reference
dry ember
so Mewmew Special is definitely welcomed for accessability purposes
cunning urchin
Invincibility is just good strategy.
(It's how I survive Asphodel. Did I mention I hate Inferno-Bombers about as much as they hate me? )
raw violet
jk, apparently not, why are there so many sbmm ssbm players in this discord?
naive tusk
That's exactly what I read @cunning urchin
dry ember
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
raw violet
sorry, i'm used to another game with skill-based matchmaking and the acronyms mess me up
magic dagger
I read smash bros melee (melee?)
dry ember
There are like 3 or 4 people who play melee here?
raw violet
ive just seen a handful of references over the course of the last few days/weeks
which is already more than i expect
naive tusk
I used to play melee back when I still could play my gamecube
dry ember
Hades for the Gameboy when?
cunning urchin
My first Hades screenshot, to probably no one's surprise. https://imgur.com/a/kcmFz5C
And my first clear. https://imgur.com/a/IA8muTj
naive tusk
Old boon model feels 
raw violet
shake my head my head?
raw violet
that's serious head shaking
naive tusk
Shaking marvelously & hardly my head
cunning urchin
I remember I used Shatter Shot extensively on my first clear. It was great then.
magic dagger
I know I should max out the mirror
get the last few fated persuasions and also grab authority for if I ever want to use it
But I'm seriously tired of farming darkness
dry ember
Shatter shot?
cunning urchin
Shatter Shot was Crush Shot.
dry ember
Ah, I'm too young for that
magic dagger
as far as I can tell, the only good thing about crush shot now is the sound effect
and the fact that it comes from aphrodite
cunning urchin
Now I'm like point-blank, and it doesn't reach . . .
magic dagger
it doesn't deal enough damage to be better than a melee weapon, and you have to stand in their faces anyways
cunning urchin
It also did a lot more damage on higher rarity, and I think it was 5 hits? So 80% chance to charm with 2 casts with Unhealthy Fixation.
lament coral
old boon models were easy to spot, they were huge
cunning urchin
Yeah, I never saw a problem with them. The change seemed odd and took some getting used to.
Hmmm. Range was 300 before like it is now. Maybe the spread was wider? 25° before, it doesn't say what the spread is now.
It hit a whole lot harder, anyway.
dry ember
was the Nighty Night update particularly large?
I just looked through the patch notes and they implemented a ton of features.
June update seems a bit "subdued" in comparison
mighty ermine
they've made it pretty clear that the june update isn't intended to be huge in terms of content
not at the same scale as nighty night
dry ember
thanks! this is not a "complain." I was just wondering.
turbid needle
If I remember correctly, the majority of their dev time is going towards to reoptimizing the engine for a multi-platform launch.
cunning urchin
Yeah.
mighty ermine
yeah that's right
turbid needle
We're getting close.
mighty ermine
[charon groans intensify]
unkempt pagoda
3 months has felt extremely painful
dry ember
can't wait for launch though
dense locust
I felt like the decision to change the graphics of the boon icons was unnecessary, but at the same time, i got used to it pretty quickly and it felt like the new norm within a few days
dense locust
With all these silly spellings for the fish, i wish they called the flameater a flan eater
fiery light
@dry ember who plays melee? :^)
umbral lagoon
ugh finally did a 5 heat run with exagraph
disgusting messy random build and no idea what i was choosing in terms of boons - ended up with like 6 relatively useless poseidon boons lol
i only survived and beat hades cause exagraph mobility is nice
just run around and shoot
i had zero power though...
any suggestions from gun mains?
grim loom
poseidon's terrible for gun in my understanding cus youll push everyone out of yr range
grim loom
fair fair
umbral lagoon
also chariots
grim loom
oops
umbral lagoon
nah dude it was awful
you’re right
terrible
i just made it cause 5 heat is nbd
what are actually good builds?
grim loom
artemis is pretty nice cus youre hitting so frequently but to be fair i usually tend to go for artemis regardless
civic barn
figuring it out is part of the fun!
umbral lagoon
aphrodite was my attack buff but i didn’t get any other aphrodite boons
not a single one
civic barn
(and there's a little bit of "to each their own" to it, so what works for someone doesn't necessarily work for you)
umbral lagoon
so bad
grim loom
(what skal said)
civic barn
well, that's part of the game
umbral lagoon
to be frank, i’m not having fun with exagraph and i don’t care
i’d just like advice
i have my own build ideas for the other weapons, just not gun
been procrastinating it for a while cause i didn’t know how to use it
grim loom
as far as specific boons go i honestly dont remember, but if u need suggestions for gods, id say try @ zeus and/or artemis
civic barn
rail with cluster bomb + some special damage percentage boosting is fairly easy to grasp
umbral lagoon
bomb seems vulnerable and has some weird aim though
is the power worth it?
i’ll try it out if you can really blow things up
civic barn
with the attack, you can go either status effects because you can apply it quickly (drunken, chill, etc.) or go for damage though that requires like a couple boons synergizing
umbral lagoon
oh yeah forgot about drunk
civic barn
cluster overlapping on itself is a lot of damage; though yeah, you need to get used to it.
i know there's a section of people who really like rocket bomb too
that actually also synergizes with cluster if you want to give that a try
umbral lagoon
cool i have some ideas now with doom on cluster and dionysus on attack
just max dps low iq
to get used to dash reloading or whatever that mechanic i was spamming during my run is
not going to try artemis unless there’s some way to max crit damage and chanc
civic barn
if you're using keyboard i'd recommend rebinding reload on something else
umbral lagoon
i feel like it will be a waste of bullets without raw power
civic barn
the default one is not intuitive imo
civic barn
if you want to practice it; just for the sake of familiarizing yourself with exagryph, you could run hestia a few times
since you basically get most of your damage from reloading
i like eris in general in particular because i like cluster bomb
umbral lagoon
i feel like reload is memorizing the timing
though i mess up when i accidentally forget to reload after an encounter and start a new one
encounter as in engaging a group of enemies
or sometimes i dodge some attack and forget to reload
i used eris though
was kind of lazy to make the blast hit me cause the aim is all over the place
i feel like the bomb aim should center on you and you drag it in a direction
or is that aim assist screwing me?
wide plover
is chaos egg a good keepsake? if I e.g. try to get as many upgrades to my attack/special, is it worth missing out on getting a specific god good for my build?
main osprey
Check out my most recent run in #h1-story-discussion
I had the chaos egg until the last floor
4 chaos boons
It may not be the best, but it's definitely got value
primal matrix
I love Nyx's new look. Very regal
wide plover
that sounds good and all, but I had some runs where I didn't see chaos gates until elysium nor was offered them in shop
also the question is about whether upgraded rarity is worth the opportunity cost
so one or two runs that went perfectly don't say much about how the egg is in the long run
main osprey
Most runs I don't take it until I get chaos from a shop.
Most chaos boons aren't great until they're epic, but some of the rare ones are okay. It lets you stack on more damage than just boons will get you
And that's true, but I also don't usually use it. When I do, it's really nice to have that +40% chance
turbid needle
I usually only take the chaos egg when I get a forced gate from the well
turbid needle
yeah I think its good when you already have the boons you want
main osprey
Or getting one or two chaos in Tartarus
Gives you a really strong start (though that's much more luck dependant)
turbid needle
I made bad experiences with taking the egg early and not getting any gates :(
turbid arch
With fated persuasian, willing Chaos into existance is pretty easily doable
though a little luck never hurts.
turbid needle
how does that work?
main osprey
Rerolling Wells
civic barn
@umbral lagoon yeah, the bomb placement takes a bit to get used to. That's why I actually switched to keyboard because i have a better time with it. Leave a feedback in #hades-feedback though; they might adjust it if there's enough voices for it
cunning urchin
@smoky wolf I think you should take Hades Aspect for a spin, actually. I've read very good things about it from some players here who regularly clear on high heat. The damage boost at Lv.5 is very high. You don't need a max spin to get the full damage boost.
main osprey
Hmm, I might try a bit with controller, see how it goes
turbid arch
Hades Spin Damage Boost makes your regular attack and your special slap.
errant narwhal
no legendary 
raw violet
i cant tell but it looks like you're missing exit wounds
simple fog
Who does Ares synergies with?
main osprey
Artemis, Aphrodite
turbid arch
I don't really know if Ares Synergizes with anyone really.
He has some duo boons and they are for all intends and purpose mostly decent.
Leaving them aside, there is hardly any real synergy going on except for some very niche cases.
simple fog
i feel like poseidon + artemis synergise
turbid arch
How so?
Actually, I can see a slight synergy with Floodshot + DUal Cast
That one gives you some decent extra knock backs
simple fog
floodshot + dual cast + exit wounds
if you slap on hera bow you basically shoot someone back 800 miles
turbid arch
Meh, exit wounds is overrated imo.
And there are cases where just one boon from a god fits well into some kind of build in general.
Ares Battle Rage and Urge to Kill fit into any build.
That does not make him synergize greatly imo.
simple fog
my fastest bow exit run was Hera Bow + poseidon cast + dual cast + fully loaded + exit wounds + bunch of poseidon
turbid arch
I can see how that would slap.
simple fog
it does slap but yeah
i feel like duo boons are supposed to be "synergy" but idk if theres enough
cos like outside of artemis i dont see any support gods
turbid arch
Depends on how you define Support.
To me, Zeus atm is a pretty fine support god.
You can get just one boon of him, ideally the wrath effect because it is his best active boon and that opens up a huge a mount of duo boons for further extension.
I think Zeus has a duo boon for every god except Aphrodite
and almost all of his duo boons (only Athena is the exception here) have the ability to add free lightning damage into your build
which means that you can add his entire damage engine, Jolted, Double Strike and his legendary on basicly your entire run
Even if you leave that aside, he has some generally feel good boons like Bellowing Strength and the other one that just gives you more Aid-chargemeter increases
Do it with Poseidon, get Sea storm, you destroy.
Do itr with Artemis, get Lightning Rod and you turn the field into an electrocuting minefield
Do it with Ares and you become a revengecountering warmonger who destroys enemies just by being there
Do it with Dionysus and, well.....I think you all know Scintilating Feast by now.
Do it with Demeter, enjoy infinite Jolted
.......Lightning Phalanx is a bit of a letdown though.
cunning urchin
By "wrath" do you mean Call?
turbid arch
yeah, sure
cunning urchin
Was it called wrath in an earlier version?
polar sinew
Quick q: The Boon you get from Hermes that lets you recover a percentage of health lost with Dash...aside from the obvious Dash cooldown after you expend all your Dashes, does the Boon itself have one between ticks?
turbid arch
Yes.
To the Wrath related question.
No idea on the dash related one in terms of Cooldowns, but I am pretty sure that you only get a heal for the last instance of damage right before the dash.
civic barn
Hm, so say you took two instances of damage in the last half a second (say it was a laser and a rat punch), does it tally it up in that timeframe, or does it count the last instance? 🤔 I'm not sure either.
polar sinew
Yeah, that's what I'm more or less wondering. Was fiddling around with it last night and I could not tell for the life of me how exactly it was tallying up, lol
cunning urchin
Make a recording if you want to analyze things like that. Makes it a lot easier.
polar sinew
Hrm, guess I could. Point taken.
I was just super curious because like...for defensive builds it could be potent
Especially if you grab the Epic tier for like 40%, lol
cunning urchin
Maybe. I think the best defensive builds abuse Deflect.
novel prawn
thx 😄
cunning urchin
You still had plenty of HP and a DD!
novel prawn
yeah... I got so lucky for that early Life Affirmation, then I went for every centaur heart I could find, lol
cunning urchin
I 💗 Life Affirmation.
novel prawn
and somehow I only lost one DD to Asterius and Thesius, and got it back from well of charon
and had 3 DDs in the end when last fight started
cunning urchin
I couldn't make it on 32 with EM3 and TD2, had to go down to EM2 and increase something else instead.
EM3 with Malphon gives me trouble.
turbid arch
When I did my 32 heat clear with Malphon, I was lucky enough to have Blizzard Shot. I don't think it would have worked without that.
Malphon is a weird one.
Congratulations, Mircea.
cunning urchin
Doesn't help that I usually have a Deflect build, and his bombs don't interact in the best ways with that.
novel prawn
thx 😄
turbid arch
Oh, you had me so close to cursing somewhat fiercly there!
novel prawn
I still can't bring myself to activate TD at any level (unless it's low heat)
turbid arch
Doesn't even need to be a deflect, sometimes his bombs just go invisible and do whatever they want.
And then they come crashing down on you for 120 damage.
Some grade-a garbage
novel prawn
you talking about Thesius on EM3?
novel prawn
oh yeah... that did happen a few times to me as well...
I got hit by bombs when there was no indicator on the ground below me
I probably deflected them and didn't realize
was pretty annoying
but... I think the hardest thing for me so far was enabling EM3 and Forced Overtime (only level 1 so far).... boy... Asterius and Hades just wreck me...
(I didn't activate forced overtime in this run)
turbid arch
It can also happen if they just crash into a wall for some reason or another.
They get knocked into a wall or a pillar and then there is no targeter to them. At least that is how I perceived it.
novel prawn
yeah, that can happen too
turbid arch
I lost two promising 32 heat runs to that just on the last weak.
cunning urchin
My main build on high heat abuses Deflect on Divine Strike and Divine Dash with Malphon. It's almost permanent invincibility, but vs EM3 it's very unpleasant.
graceful smelt
does Hermes' Quick Reload work with Exit Wounds?
turbid arch
Depends. If it makes your cast stones dislodge faster, then yes, you get Exit Wounds damage faster.
graceful smelt
so i don't have to dislodge them myself with the Poseidon sword, it will still do damage if they drop by themselves?
cunning urchin
Correct.
graceful smelt
thanks
cunning urchin
I feel like I get 10 Diamonds faster than 500 Gemstones sometimes . . .
turbid arch
You get 150 gems for catching one Stonewhal!
turbid needle
good to know im not the only one that doesnt know why they got hit on em3 sometimes
cunning urchin
I know, but I need to not be dashing past all the fishies for that.
proud storm
cunning urchin
@turbid arch by the way, thanks for sharing your thoughts re DPS from the different gods yesterday morning. I was busy with school, but I read through all of it later.
Very interesting.
@proud storm don't take upskirt photos without a person's consent.
Terrible.
proud storm
what now, i'm just telling the world about his exquisite physique
i'm sure he'd be pleased
cunning urchin
neon fiber
hell if you asked i'm sure he'd strike a pose for you
proud storm
oh i dont need to ask
cunning urchin
cunning urchin
Unconsciousness is not consent.
novel prawn
well, sry for joining in, but a wise man once said "No no means yes"
leaden hare
just cleared my first round and my hands are shaking
novel prawn
also, is that really Theseus?
turbid arch
I just came in here, seeing I was being mentioned and read:
@turbid arch thanks for the upskirt photos.....
I may or may not need new glasses.
leaden hare
now I'm thinking if I should proceed with bow and more heat, or use other weapons
graceful smelt
Curse of longing ( Ares/Aphro ) any good?
turbid arch
Arguable. In terms of damage, it is rather mediocre overall, but I like that it extends the puny duration of doom so that you have a better uptime on privileged status
I don't think that just that is worth going for a duo boon though.
I also don't think that that makes it worth pursuiting Ares either.
graceful smelt
thanks
naive tusk
Tfw you stopped using Privileged Status
hollow shoal
How does Concentrated fire work?
naive tusk
Ohey Mewmew, you are here. I thought about mentioning you in #h1-discussion but considered it might disturb so I didn’t
elfin ledge
as long as you dont take any other action it adds +1 to base dmg of the hit
hollow shoal
Does it stack?
elfin ledge
yes
cunning urchin
There's little to no information anywhere on how exactly Curse of Longing itself works or how it interacts with other Doom boons.
naive tusk
I thought you could dash-strike without losing the bonus.
Since it fires so fast, I really can’t check 😅
cunning urchin
@naive tusk feel free to ping me anytime.
naive tusk
I have some info regarding Curse of Longing if that helps!
hollow shoal
I assume reloading also reset the bonus?
naive tusk
Reloading definitely resets the bonus.
So far, what I know of Curse of Longing is that Merciful End will end Curse of Longing’s effect (after triggering ME, a new Doom won’t appear on the foe), so they aren’t synergistic at all.
naive tusk
Also, taking 100 Doom damage as an example, CoL will work like this:
- 1st Doom damage = 100
- 2nd Doom damage = 25
-3rd Doom damage = 6
I haven’t seen a 4th Doom triggering so I can safely assume that it will only trigger Doom for a total of 3 times despite the Doom damage.
cunning urchin
Tics are 1.1 sec for the three procs?
naive tusk
Each tic has the same timer as a normal Doom so yes!
cunning urchin
Can you override the 2nd tic with a full-damage Doom by applying a new one?
naive tusk
So CoL apparently only gives you +32% Doom damage approximately over a long time, which is why I think it should get a buff.
cunning urchin
Or would the new one stack with the Curse of Longing?
naive tusk
Yes, you can override it thankfully.
Or I’d never take CoL lol
Who wants to wait for 2 other mediocre Doom stacks when you can apply a better one instead?
If it stacked, Malphon or Exagryph would make it broken
true pilot
If you get the Ares boon that lets Doom stack, it can be better. And I feel like the main appeal of it is letting Doom linger for Privileged Status more so than for damage in itself.
But I agree that compared to some of the other Duos, it is very underwhelming DPS-wise.
I'm pretty sure Lightning Rod performs better for DPS.
naive tusk
I tried that once. I wasn’t too impressed, to be honest, but at least Dire Misfortune pulled its weight.
LR definitely has better DPS than CoL in terms of damage, speed and range.
cunning urchin
If you can override it and it doesn't stack, what's even the point . . .
naive tusk
To cower under a rock longer
neon fiber
Man, i will never talk trash about ares dash again
If you build it proper it can be hilariously good
Then again i got early cröps and it was heroic by the time i got to asphodel but still
naive tusk
It’s also affected by Vicious Cycle 👍
true pilot
Engulfing Vortex is more key than the legendary, I feel. Sure, the damage can be good... If the enemy stays in it. Also duration.
naive tusk
Against bosses, you will want to just dash around them 
But yeah, against mobs EV is super useful.
neon fiber
I actually never got vicious cycle despite farming for it like a madman
turbid needle
it was one of the last legendaries I got
neon fiber
Also dashing between things while spamming attack was one of my main tactics because i had delta chamber, a legendary hermes attack speed boon and both doom boons
turbid needle
idk why it took me so long either
neon fiber
Legendaries can be a bit obnoxious to get
turbid needle
I dont think vicious cycle has lots of requirements though
neon fiber
I wish there was a way to weight towards one god or another so mono-god builds were not that much of a hassle
turbid needle
same
naive tusk
It only has 2 prerequisites as a minimum but if you take a Doom boon, you will expand Ares’ pool making his Legendary harder to find.
Usually, when looking for his Legendary, I will only take a Blade Rift boon, Engulfing Vortex and/or Black Metal, then Vicious Cycle. If none of those appear, I will take Urge to Kill, etc. while avoiding any Doom boon.
turbid needle
I see
naive tusk
Same goes for Doom + Impending Doom, plus any other Doom boon I want: I avoid Blade Rifts.
true pilot
The one advantage of Ares' split personality (tm).
Makes it easier to force his boon pool.
turbid arch
Taking a doom effect will not stop him from offering you a full set of blade rift boons quite often, surprisingly enough.
Everytime I see Slicing Shot, Blade Dash and his wrath effect being offered, I cry a little.
gaunt tundra
sooo
i upgraded guan yu up to lvl 3
expecting
something else i guess
not only is the life/healing penalty not really reduced that much
i don't really think it's worth standing still for a bit trying to leech off a bit of hp off the enemy
any advice about how to use it?
turbid arch
Athena Attack.
Full HP, keep your distance, use your special, it is actually playable with Guan Yu.
Not at full HP, use your charge attack when prudent to heal yourself up a bit. If you have Athenas Attack, you become borderline untouchable because the huge swirley deflecting zone you create.
gaunt tundra
well, it's a way to patch it up i guess
honestly, i think that for a weapon that only has lifesteal in such a sluggish move
adding 2 hp related debuffs on top
is a bit too much
proven robin
Possibly, but I did make it through a full run using Guan Yu with only 113 max HP.
Guan Yu deals a lot of damage. That spin attack can just erase whatever gets caught in it, and it's extremely strong at range.
gaunt tundra
how many hundreds of darkness and minotaur hearts do you need to reach that? XD
proven robin
I forget, but it might have involved a Chaos boon?
gaunt tundra
i got 60 hp, give or take
also, the spin is strong, but fast enemy units just play around it
proven robin
Either way, though, it's really good, but you do need to either pay real attention to defense or emphasize life more.
gaunt tundra
kinda found a workaround with demeter cast
proven robin
Yeah, against fast enemies, the Special is the way to go.
gaunt tundra
but ain't perfect
proven robin
That just erases them too.
narrow halo
What is the best weapon to max in your opinion ? I have 15 blood
proven robin
Again, depends on your style. What do you like to do?
narrow halo
I like them all
gaunt tundra
as i understand it, between excalibur and guan yu, it's excalibur all the way, too bad i can't drain the blood used on guan yu
proven robin
Hmm...
Well, I personally like the fists, but you'd only need 5 to max the default out, and that's my fave.
narrow halo
excalibur is slow and guan yu need to charge
proven robin
Excalibur is also worth maxing out.
That's a very forgiving weapon to work around if you know how to handle its slow speed.
Or, if you're looking for a versatile weapon that can handle most situations, maxing out the default spear is good.
gaunt tundra
excalibur is slow
proven robin
Just throw it over and over until it's done.
gaunt tundra
hits harder and you can keep on the run with it
on top of that, it has the trap deactivating special
and gives hp instead of taking it away
turbid arch
When Guan Yu is fully maxed out, the penalty will be 50%
So you need about as many Centaurhearts to reach 113 HP as you would to reach 225 regularly.
It's a pretty clean cut, actually.
gaunt tundra
yeah... still too much, if at least it didn't limit healing
the weapon actively punish you for using it
turbid arch
It only limits healing in so far in that all healing is reliant on your max HP.
The less HP you have the less you heal.
narrow halo
Yeah guan yu seems to be the best option if i want to optimize my blood shards
turbid arch
On the other hand, snacks always heal for 10 HP, so you still get you rmoneys worth there.
gaunt tundra
it's something
gaunt tundra
shield of chaos, already on lvl 3 starts showing promise
turbid arch
Shield of Chaos is one of the if not the best weapons in the game.
gaunt tundra
managed to beat the tiny vermin with it, nevertheless, but it was more cause of demeter cast XD
turbid arch
Good damage, good mobility, good defense.
gaunt tundra
at lvl 2 it doesn't deal much, tbh
true pilot
I'd recommend trying out a few Pierced Butterfly runs. Would teach you well to play carefully, and then Guan Yu's downside isn't that bad.
gaunt tundra
was actually using pierced butterfly with guan yu XD
but if you have 60 max hp, getting hit once already hurts a lot
tesseus got me when he was about to die
true pilot
running Stubborn Defiance isn't bad either.
though that depends on how good you are at the bosses.
gaunt tundra
i can be better, still get hits by tesseus lance sometimes when facing asterius
naive tusk
@cunning urchin OK, so here's how Hangover works:
- Each stack has its own duration. So if an enemy has 1 stack of Hangover, 2-3 seconds pass, then you apply a 2nd stack, the 2nd stack will remain after the 1st stack's duration is over.
- After applying 5 stacks, if you apply new stacks, the newer stacks will override the earliest stacks 1 by 1. So if an enemy has 5 stacks applied in a short time span (e.g. Blitz Disk, Malphon's Attack, etc.) and you apply 2 new stacks after a while, there will only be 2 stacks left after the other early 3 stacks are over.
Tested with Exagryph, Aspect of Eris for no particular reason 👍
cunning urchin
@naive tusk thanks!
That's gonna be useful. Should add that to the wiki somewhere.
naive tusk
You do it 🥺