Isn't his hangover basically poison
#h1-builds-and-combat
primal sigil
idle drum
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umbral lagoon
sometimes i can't navigate the boon menu
sudden dagger
Ah ok
idle drum
@eager scarab Thanks ๐
eager scarab
Anytime
primal sigil
The boon menu layout is super wonky, with diagonal layouts. You want to go right so push right, then it goes up
Honestly hope they fox that
And fix it!
eager scarab
Yeah, menu items being layed out diagonally are always a bit awkward with controllers
flat brook
if you go left > right > left > right it goes up instead of going to the same 2 boons
naive tusk
@idle drum Please, give yourself ranks in #bot-commands 
idle drum
@naive tusk Sorry, was only looking at the Hades channels. Noted for the future, thanks.
I checked the Welcome and Readme-first channels and neither seem to mention ranks or the bot-command channel
naive tusk
That's true 
In the #hades-feedback pins, you can read about how to be able to post but I think it can be missed easily so I understand your position
mystic vale
Sigh. Every time Zag picks something up and says "On my authority" I picture Cartman. "RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAAHHHHHHH!"
faint vigil
satyr rooms doesnt count towards lambent plume right?
desert nacelle
Special speed on shield makes it flight faster?
tepid ridge
@faint vigil no, not on pierced butterfly either.
mystic vale
I can go five runs in a row without touching lava, right up until Heightened Security and suddenly the magma is a Zagreus magnet.
sudden dagger
Sometimes I feel trapped
In this game
Like I'm going to keep trying to escape
But just wake up in a river of blood
turbid needle
@desert nacelle Yes.
dry ember
@sudden dagger You befriend Sisyphus for a reason you know.
sudden dagger
Oh dang you're right
mighty ermine
@faint vigil the mini styx encounter rooms do not count towards plume or butterfly keepsake stat boosting progression. the final, "big" rooms at the end of each tunnel route do, however
sudden dagger
What if I get to the end of the game, but instead of Darren Korb, it's "Come Sail Away"
mystic vale
Patroclus, Patron Saint of the Saved Arse.
turbid needle
Take another look.
mystic vale
Does so.
dense locust
oh so there are
i've got too much sunlight on my monitor lol, its that time of day where i can't see much on my monitor for 20 min
dense locust
yeah those are the moments where you feel like RNG has balanced out
dry ember
But our Lord Patty doesn't care
dense locust
Although I've had (probably many) more than 3 runs where I got the lucky 3 DD refill from patty, but my build was so weak that I had no business even making it that far
and then died at theseus or styx
sudden dagger
Still haven't met hypnos's brother. Someday :)
mystic vale
(It is bribery.)
mystic vale
Spread Fire and Rocket Bomb: the perfect build when you're using Routine Inspection and most of your boons will be commons anyhow.
Heat 6 Shield to get Charged Throw for the Prophecy. Hard Labour, Jury Summons, Middle Management, Underworld Custons.
proven robin
BLOOD AND DARKNESS
mystic vale
Writing a new Linkin Park song?
proven robin
...Admittedly, I got pretty dang far on my first EM3 run with an Aspect of Hera and several gods who steadfastly refused to give me anything to upgrade my Cast.
raw violet
charged throw is bad and it should feel bad
mystic vale
Yeah, well, I'm fated to eventually take it.
raw violet
i was in the same situation
mystic vale
Bwahaha. Gold buff from Chaos. Sisyphus gave me 211.
I have 492 ten chambers in. GT is gonna be sweeeeet.
dry ember
Syd, how are you liking the new Theseus and Asterius?
magic dagger
EM2 is harder than EM3
Freaking lavaaaaaaaaa!
dry ember
But
magic dagger
I hate lava
raw violet
you can fish on regular hydra stage too
dry ember
Wait for real?
raw violet
yes
dry ember
Lol must have missed that haha
raw violet
i've only ever gotten it once
magic dagger
upper right corner is usually where it showed up
dry ember
Makes you wonder though
How can fish have batter heat tolerance than the Prince of the Underworld
raw violet
EM2 is only good for when you get that perfect spear throw and kill 3 hydras in one shot
mystic vale
115 gold off GT. Had 761 after fight. :x
dry ember
You gonna buy Titan Blood with that?
dry ember
Did you complete the quests already?
mystic vale
Enough that Underworld and Bedchamber are checked off, and I'm just a 1,500 gem one from finishing the Longue, I think.
dry ember
Yeah, but save some for Sisyphus and Orpheus quests
mystic vale
Did 'em.
dry ember
I see
mystic vale
And Nyx.
dry ember
You good then
mystic vale
And Dusa.
dry ember
How did you so much Darkness
mystic vale
No, baby, I'm great. Hair toss.
I always use the +20% weapon, I frequently take +darkness boons from Chaos, and I had been saving for the 10k Fated Persuasion at the time anyhow?
dry ember
I mean me too, I take darkness rooms, everytime I see a well or shop I buy darkness, I rotate Dark Thirst Weapons etc
But Fated Authority is stupid expensive.
mystic vale
Pfft, the next one's 25k.
dry ember
I guess you don't need that many rolls, but still, for completionist sake
raw violet
if you have a gold leaf door, yes
dry ember
Ohhhh
turbid needle
raw violet
otherwise, no
dry ember
That makes so much sense now
I was watching Haelian and the guy reroll rewards to boons
While I could never
Ty lol
raw violet
i'm noticing some gods seem to be more associated with others but i don't have any real pattern
or evidence for that matter
mystic vale
MM power couple isn't too bad. Just changes the order I kill them in.
raw violet
but it's been hinted at by players who are more aware of reroll mechanics than i
mystic vale
I would assume there's some slight favouring to whichever deities you've gifted the most.
turbid needle
Hardest fight in the game, change my mind.
mystic vale
I did call Bouldy though.
raw violet
meg quiets all things bad
dry ember
I got bamboozled by the Gorgon Head and the Teleporting Butterfly Ball everytime
mystic vale
I still like Bouldy. Works in any fight, and heals.
Less damage, but hey. Can't have everything.
raw violet
i've been experimenting with meg more
cause sometimes ending a fight is just as good as healing
sometimes better
and she's useful for the fights where i want to end it quickly more often
but most runs i need bouldy to give me more darkness
papa needs a new pair of rerolls
dry ember
Meg has good potential
mystic vale
Yet people tell me Aphrodite's max call is bad, and it's the same amount of damage. :p
raw violet
it has like the same delay as bouldy
turbid needle
I thought the Hydra skip was finally gone.
raw violet
yeah, the theseus fight is kind of a crapshoot
raw violet
but it's also why it's maybe better to use meg mid fight, rather than start
i actually think thanatos works really well for start of theseus
dry ember
Yeah, I agree. I think Meg has a higher potential that comes with a higher skill ceiling.
umbral lagoon
Should I just use Meg companion for now instead of grinding 10 diamonds for Bouldy?
What are the best companions?
mystic vale
I like Bouldy, but hey. Whichever.
I still have no idea what this Defiance boon is the prophecies want me to get.
dry ember
Either Meg or Bouldy is good.
I don't think you can go wrong with either
Though Bouldy healing is nice
dry ember
It didn't go through mate
desert nacelle
damn
dry ember
Watch your language
mystic vale
Evading the filter is probably not a good idea.
Also, I'd like to be on one server and not see Pepe 500 times. Not that there's a rule about it but meh.
dry ember
Think of the children wouldn't you
proven robin
@dry ember Funnily enough, aside from the shockwave from Asterius jumping about? Not even that bad.
Like, Theseus doesn't block while he's in the chariot.
Hubris, sir. HUBRIS.
turbid arch
The bombs of Theseus are some grade-a scumbaggery though.
Sometimes they explode without a target indicator.
proven robin
Huh. That one, I was able to navigate, but might be beginner's luck.
proven robin
....I'm glad I'm not the only person who was kind of :/ about seeing so much Pepe.
mighty ermine
yeah same here honestly syd
desert nacelle
i get 4305 crit but i didnt record it
I hope someday
they will add one thing
After killing Hades, the skelly spawns with allot of hp
and was able to show dmg dealt for some period
small stirrup
turbid needle
No it's not.
turbid needle
No big.
proven robin
Whoah, not bad.
mystic vale
I got tired of seeing the Pepe and fixed that issue client side.
stoic thicket
Excalibur has just such a massive swing.
opal glade
excalibur does stupid amounts of damage on Artemis it's ridiculous how i didn't notice until i basically 5 shot Asterius and was like hold up
I had nyx's shawl + daedalus sword backstab 200% + an attack chaos boon
cedar hemlock
Does it actually change anything when Hades lectures you when you start a run, or is it just extra dialogue?
opal glade
most narrative things don't affect the run
i think it's like a marker for every 5th/10th run?
im not sure though
cedar hemlock
Oh okay. It didn't seem to, but was curious if it was just a modifier every X runs
opal glade
godspeed on your run
raw violet
@cunning urchin merciless end after miniboss in tartarus. heat 32 malphon
torpid turret
That run went surprisingly well
Easily under 100 total damage taken
Went so well I forgot to use bouldy twice because I just didn't need the heals lmao
stoic thicket
You, sir, might be way friggin better at this game than me.
cunning urchin
@raw violet nice!
desert nacelle
Thats great feeling when u are trying to make doom build
but ares boon was the only one u find coz it was forced
raw violet
well i got carried that run
raw violet
guan yu is so good, nice to know it still scales into 32 heat
that was both 100x luckier and 100x easier than my first run
brought to you by common core boons
dry ember
Well good to know common boon can absolutely carry you through 32 heat
raw violet
@torpid turret i need to get my times down a lot more, rookie numbers
all about the duo + priv status
too bad 3 hermes, no extra dashes
i think those heat settings are vastly superior to what i had before
dry ember
DC2 can be rough with other weapons though
raw violet
i thought it was going to be really bad but i wanted to test it out with fists
but it ended up not really being a problem
unkempt pagoda
long
raw violet
long is my preference
turbid needle
Long Knuckle by a pretty wide margin.
dry ember
Long
stoic thicket
I almost lost a very good run because I was playing around with the mirror before the run and left it on Stubborn Defiance that I didn't even have skilled. Noticed in Elysium that for some reason I did not have any DDs on me.
novel prawn
lol
stoic thicket
Bouldy saved my hide big time.
desert nacelle
Who gives u the thing to spawn healing money and stuff?
stoic thicket
Sisyphus.
novel prawn
gl with that lol
novel prawn
oh, that was the 2nd time?
desert nacelle
ye
novel prawn
nice
dry ember
Not even close bb
desert nacelle
novel prawn
oh wait... now I remember.... he has a different animation when you defeat him the firs time... mb
dry ember
It's one of the victory that you will remember
smoky wolf
I did an Excalibur run on about 15 heat and finished with 22hp and no DD. The run title said something like 'Close call, though'
turbid needle
damn
smoky wolf
If anybody has any advice for sword/fist higher heat, I'm all ears. I struggle with melee a bit now it's getting harder
novel prawn
one advice would be athena dash+call, and more dashes from hermes (preferably at least 2)
raw violet
olympus caller overriding the close call title is robbery
novel prawn
also, maybe festive fog, besides just hitting the last boss, you could hit his traps as well to clear your way
smoky wolf
Olympus caller comes up way too much
@novel prawn good advice. Yeah I was unlucky with the Excalibur run that I never saw greatest reflex. I usually grab whichever call I can get that gives invulnerability for melee. So, Athena, Poseidon, Ares in order of preference.
raw violet
most of the time you can just dash through the vases to pop them
smoky wolf
I also like Athena cast if I'm not doing a cast build. Using Stygian soul and timing it to Theseus spear throws gives me great satisfaction
raw violet
unless you're running a dash that doesn't damage
dry ember
Please
smoky wolf
Maybe I should just start taking Athena trinket for asphodel each melee run
smoky wolf
And they count as traps too and wreck your day if you're running heightened security
Learned the hard way not to use that on my Guan Yu runs
dry ember
The one shot potential of HS is silly though
You can easily lose a DD with just one misstep
raw violet
don't know what to tell you, works for me
dry ember
I'm just saying
raw violet
just run laps around the room when vases are up
smoky wolf
I use it a lot because I'm generally decent at avoiding traps. But Alecto, Hades and some of the horrible tiny miniboss rooms in Styx are rough as hell with it on
raw violet
poof, no more vases
smoky wolf
I wish I could use analogue stick movement with mouse and keyboard controls
opal bay
taking damage from vase is honestly never a good sign. Even without heighted security. HS is easy heat if you never run much into vases. ||Especially on Hade's boss battle||
dry ember
I used to run HS even on low heat
smoky wolf
I have no idea how people play with keyboard when you've only got 8 directional movement
dry ember
Recently I stopped cause I'm salty losing DD to traps
opal bay
a lot of practice and getting used to on my side.
dry ember
I use both
Mkb is fine. What you lose in movement you gain in better aim
And doing certain combo is easier on the hand than controller.
smoky wolf
I just lost half my health to dashing into asphodel magma before I switched to gamepad
dry ember
I feel ya. If you can do HS reliably then good. Just not my cup of tea, not anymore at least.
cunning urchin
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RhgbgEQ2PvrBskk7tw6RXsR8hzRQuG89W9moUruf-fA/edit?usp=sharing
Done. 
@naive tusk is that pin-worthy?
dry ember
Jesus
cunning urchin
Numbers. Numbers everywhere.
dry ember
How did you get the numbers?
naive tusk
Oh boy. I need to see that on my pc
raw violet
i suppose that was over the line
naive tusk
Currently on mobile ๐
dry ember
Just pen and paper or in game testing?
cunning urchin
Yeah.
raw violet
nm, i see it
cunning urchin
@dry ember hm? I just plugged the numbers from the wiki into the damage formula.
dry ember
Dionysus on Chiron is over 200
cunning urchin
That's the damage from all Hangover tics.
dry ember
And basically smoke every other boons
cunning urchin
So if you attack more often with Chiron while Hangover is still applied, you won't get that extra damage. Important to keep all of those factors in mind.
dry ember
Yeah I get that
raw violet
and not low tolerance 8?
cunning urchin
Correct.
For specials that would hit multiple targets like Chain Skewer, it counts as many stacks as there are hits: 8 in the case of Chain Skewer.
On a single target without Low Tolerance, of course, that would be just 5 stacks.
raw violet
is red supposed to be highest damage?
that's not the right question
red is highest but there are multiple red highlights
cunning urchin
Highest damage is bold. Red is the highest damage God + the second highest.
raw violet
oh you're mid-bolding
naive tusk
Is there a legend where it says what the red and yellow numbers mean?
raw violet
i was like, nothing is bolded
naive tusk
You should include a legend for clarification ๐
cunning urchin
I forgot to do it for the common boons. It's all done for rare, epic, and heroic.
naive tusk
Where is it?
cunning urchin
Not the legend. The bolding/coloring.
naive tusk
For example: I can see Stygian Blade + common Ares is red and bolded but I don't know why it has those changes.
Aphrodite has 90 but it's black and not bolded.
So I was suggesting a legend to clarify why are they like that ๐
cunning urchin
Highest damage is bold. Red/yellow is the highest damage God + the second highest.
Yes. I'll add one later.
Need to do some stuff for school.
cunning urchin
Some Specials are more straightforward than others.
raw violet
these artemis numbers are just the base damage, correct?
cunning urchin
No, that's average damage with crit factored in.
raw violet
okay
cunning urchin
As you can see from the numbers, Heartbreak Flourish is objectively the best Special boon on everything.
gaunt tundra
congrats on clear man
turbid needle
miscounted the rooms and carried a slothful curse to asterius and theseus biggest mistake of my life...
gaunt tundra
dionysus has the best cast i think
cunning urchin
The best Casts are Duo Boons: Hunting Blades + Vicious Cycle, Ice Wine + Scintillating Feast, and Blizzard Shot.
agile prism
Didnโt even need to use all your lives
viscid vale
i'm trying to farm gems with my very poor fishing skills (i always get common fish) and the sunken treasures, i'm slowly becoming a Poseidon boon expert
i'm also trying to farm nectar with Dio, mostly to no avail
should probably use the "change boon" perk
nectar is delicious
also i need lots of it to get ||laid, you thought as a god it would be easier||
neon fiber
sipp
I mean it could be easier if you did a Zeus but thatโs uh
Not adviseable to say the least
Plus it wouldnโt be in character for Zag
viscid vale
plus ||everyone can walk by Zag's bedroom, from Dusa to Hades and Skelly||
Zag is a good boyo, very respectful
he has feelings but most of all he's polite
neon fiber
Yeah
Itโs not like he keeps it locked either
Iโm surprise we donโt find a lost shade or two meandering there every now and then
viscid vale
btw, ive decorated his bedroom with all decos, so proud. Plus it looks quite good.
neon fiber
The only thing resembling any sort of vigilance is Nyx just chilling there and sheโs not there half the time
viscid vale
with his aph pinup poster
i thought Achilles poster was gonna be a male version
so foolish was i
Nyx is occupying herself singing the rythm of the night
neon fiber
Donโt lust after your own teacher that ainโt polite
viscid vale
i guess
young gorge
Achillies is also super taken and used to be a mortal so maybe he doesn't exactly subscribe to the immortal way of dating yknow
young gorge
I like zag aspect tbh
neon fiber
hey so far the immortal way of dating doesn't really seem too different from the mortal one
young gorge
The ammo is tasty
neon fiber
yeah, zag aspect is dakka time
the extra ammo never hurts
young gorge
I mean it seems that polyam is more accepted there so there's that ๐
Maybe achillies is still hung up on the one mate for life thing
viscid vale
i mean ingame Achilles is very courteous
in his life he was used to killing the men and taking the women captive so i guess everyone has a second chance
"tell her how you feel mate"
i must say though for his time Achilles was quite faithful to Briseis and Patty
cunning urchin
Take it to #h1-story-discussion or somewhere. 
viscid vale
rugged estuary
I can't wait for the patch. Excalibur is my favorite aspect, I want more hidden aspects.
wintry plume
The sad thing is that eventually we won't be able to play parkour between ancient heroes to guess the next 4th aspect
Yes, Guan Yu and Arthur
viscid vale
i wonder what the rail is gonna be
cunning urchin
@desert nacelle Eris Aspect with Deadly Flourish, Heartbreak Flourish, or Tempest Flourish has very good damage numbers on Special. That's something I'd experiment with.
rugged estuary
The rail is going to be aspect of the terminator
cunning urchin
Added Hades Aspect and fixed some numbers for the Eternal Spear. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1RhgbgEQ2PvrBskk7tw6RXsR8hzRQuG89W9moUruf-fA/edit?usp=sharing
cunning urchin
Charged Skewer was a bit of a burden. https://imgur.com/a/Pgf9A2a
flat brook
heroic ares boons are so satisfying, red on red 
cunning urchin
'Tis nice, yes.
flat brook
chain skewer on achilles might just be the worse aspect/hammer combination in the game (up there with delta chamber hestia)
cunning urchin
For its damage potential, Chain Skewer with Curse of Pain was surprisingly underwhelming.
glad island
inland pebble
Zeus is really good if you have his full set
Jolted, Doublr Strike and his Legendary make up most of his dmg potential
Also, his synergy with other gods is likely best in the game
If you only have like 1 Zeus boon, of course his dmg is gonna be meh (unless it's a Rail attack run)
For its damage potential, Chain Skewer with Curse of Pain was surprisingly underwhelming.
@cunning urchin
I hate it. It needs a rework for my taste. It's a suicide pick in high heats
cunning urchin
Lightning Flourish is poor on everything except Varatha (but not Guan Yu), where it's actually pretty good, and possibly Zeus Aspect.
Lightning Strike is really strong on Malphon and Exagryph.
naive tusk
I never tried Lightning Flourish with Varatha so I will give it a shot! โก
I'm thinking about going with Aspect of Hades
Or Aspect of Zagreus works better?
cunning urchin
Me either, but the numbers look pretty good. It should proc on both the throw and the recall since there's enough delay.
stoic thicket
So I'd like to try to hunt for Demeter's legendary, one of the few boons I haven't gotten yet. Anyone got suggestions for a good build around that?
naive tusk
I tried Tempest Flourish (with Guan Yu) once and it was pretty fun and effective. I picked it originally for the lulz but I ended up being pretty safe from everything ๐
inland pebble
Wait, I misread. You need both of Demeter boons: Killing Freeze and...
cunning urchin
Probably Zag Aspect since the gap between Deadly Flourish and Lightning Flourish is even wider on Hades. Deadly Flourish should be overall the best for damage on Varatha, but Lightning Flourish is close behind.
inland pebble
Yeah, that one. I like Demeter with Dio cast.
cunning urchin
I'm not quite sure how Lightning Flourish will interact with Chain Skewer, those hits might be too fast to get procs on all of them.
stoic thicket
So, Ice Wine and then grab every Demeter boon I can get?
inland pebble
Yes
naive tusk
@stoic thicket Malphon (Aspect of Zagreus) with Frost Strike might be a great starting point. After that, hunt for Arctic Blast and Killing Freeze, while having core boons filled with boons so Demeter has less chance of offering core boons
inland pebble
I usually get Zeus into that DDZ mix aswell, for a bit of Thunder flavour
But since you need to hunt for Demeter Legendary, might just focus on 2 gods
stoic thicket
Does it have to be Aspect of Zag?
naive tusk
It can be other aspects but Zagreus Aspect hits faster, that's all
stoic thicket
Oh yeah, that's an argument.
naive tusk
I would also try to not hunt for Duo boons so Demeter has less boons to offer from her pool. The idea is to limit her pool so you have a higher chance of getting offered what you want
At least, until you get what you want
inland pebble
I would suggest using Rail. They are much better with Demeter/Dio or Zeus
inland pebble
Personally Rail is much better at stacking curses. I find the Fists attack terribly slow and too close for comfort in comparison
naive tusk
I don't know 
But maybe?
It should else be taken away from Aspect of Demeter's hammer options 
mystic vale
There's always time for hammer time.
cunning urchin
It does work. Very nice.
inland pebble
Hammer options for Fists are kinda meh thou
Rush Kick is like the only thing awesome out of it
viscid vale
i got 2 questions, so you told me i had to max nectar / relations with Orpheus AND Eurydice before having their quest, but before I could max them both I had a bit a dialogue with ||Nyx and had to find the contract...yet after i found it nothing appeared in the contractor's list :/ Is it normal ? ||
2nd question is related : must i max relations with both Achilles and Patroclus for the quest they seem to have going on between them ?
mystic vale
Next run.
And probably, yes.
There's two or three quest where Zag goes "I'LL GO PUT IN A REQUEST WITH THE CONTRACTOR" but it won't show until next run.
viscid vale
ohh, ok. Cause I was wondering if it was a bug, I mean, I found the contract in the admin. chamber, and yet, nothing changed - but i was told to look at the contractor..So, it will be next run ?
oh, ok, i'm relieved !
its actually ok with me, i don't want to rush the storylines
same with Than, i maxxed him but I don't want necessarily him to jump on me first occasion
smoky oasis
How do you play blade? I think it's the hardest weapon
I could clear with all other weapons, except blade. Already died at H***** 3 times I am so demotivated to play it
viscid vale
cause right now I'm improving my relations and unlocking stuff so there's already quite a lot happening every time I come back to the House, i don't want to have too much stuff happening, so it's really cool if it's kinda queuing up and taking a few runs
For me blade is not that hard but i had such a hard time with rail this time...
Blade I think requires a very fast playstyle i like it
i'm slow but i love dash strikes :p
flat brook
special > dash strike > dash strike > repeat is your bread and butter combo, especially with nemesis aspect
if you're playing with arthur aspect then throw that out of the window though
viscid vale
i think Ares (? not sure) or another god gives you a boon that makes your blade attack send a wave
smoky oasis
I'm using zag aspect
cuz i maxed it
I have cleared 20 times with chaos shield but still 0 for blade
already failed 3 times
turbid needle
dunno what to tell ya just hit and run
inland pebble
Try to have a strong cast build
flat brook
zag aspect is an iffy one, for some it's a downgrade since it messes up your dash memory
i'd recommend nemesis aspect
inland pebble
That's my workaround with melee weapons
turbid needle
having athena or aphrodite helps a lot with it I think
inland pebble
Or get a controller and do a dash attack run only lol
turbid needle
I just finished a blade run today and I think I just had artemis+aphrodite no cast
you just gotta navigate the bosses
kindred bolt
i have to ask techies, when you say you cleared it 20 times with the shield, does that mean 19 heat with the shield and still can't clear 0 heat blade?
cunning urchin
TFW Patroclus abandoned you when you need him most. 
https://imgur.com/a/O27mVfe
turbid needle
its not that hard to believe blade feels like ass
turbid arch
Blade as in Blade Rifts or Stygius?
kindred bolt
i cleared 32 heat with the blade of arthur, i think its badass
mystic vale
Yeah, I've found out that 99% of the people saying "Sword is ez" either have one or more maxed aspects, and/or are using it for a caster build rather than swinging it. :p
turbid needle
oh I dont have arthur yet
viscid vale
i had so much difficulty with adamant rail this time, at only 4 heat. And i had a zagreus level 3 or 4 rail. I thought i was gonna die long before Styx. I managed but it was horrible.
kindred bolt
before arthur i was using nemesis aspect and poseidon if i want a cast build
both are great
turbid arch
Excalibur, Nemesis and Poseidon are all great and viable weapon aspects.
Zagreus, while not as fun as the above, is at least usable.
viscid vale
usually i take the build that doesn't need you to reload, this time i had to reload and it was hell, i felt like i was doing NO damage even tho my special was 110% boosted and my attack was boosted too
i was struggling even against BOMBS
kindred bolt
poseidon is my favourite cast build in the game, nothing even comes close. if you like casts, try that one, its extremely powerful
viscid vale
i don't know what happened exactly, last time with rail was such a breeze
mystic vale
Poseidon is at least nice in that the meat of the build is available for one point. The rest is just bonus damage.
viscid vale
i think i just hate to reload
turbid arch
And in IRL too.
turbid needle
the best thing would be to watch someone play with it to see what you should do tbh
but idk if the community uploads runs
mystic vale
My mum told me to kill people with kindness.
viscid vale
but i really felt like i was doing NO damage
turbid arch
@turbid needle There is plenty of content creators.
mystic vale
But holy cow is it a lot easier to do with a sword.
turbid needle
nice
kindred bolt
to be fair, blade was pretty hard for me when i started, it took me 40 hours to beat the game once with it, i was struggling. Then, i cleared with all the weapons instantly after with no problems except bow
turbid needle
but are they good
viscid vale
i was spamming attacks like a madman with the rail and it was doing very little
turbid needle
haha
turbid arch
Daddy DeGrand has done 46 heat, Haelian has done 45
turbid needle
nice
stoic thicket
Well shucks, first attempt at Demeter Legendary was a dud. I got 7 boons from her but she just didn't wanna give me the legendary.
viscid vale
i probably messed up my build with daedalus, i wanted to try sth different
turbid needle
I ddidnt unlock the other aspects of the gun I just put some in ammo and went ham :0
stoic thicket
And yes, for the last three of them I did qualify, had both Arctic Blast and Killing Freeze.
turbid needle
I think gun goes well with stacking boons
kindred bolt
gun goes well with everything, its too versatile
turbid arch
The Railgun is probably one of the most OP weapons in the game right now
turbid needle
nice
turbid arch
mostly due to Spread Shot being overpowered as hell.
With a super mapped out seed, Haelian was able to clear the game in like what
four minutes?
turbid needle
ay
stoic thicket
Getting Spread Shot is awesome, unfortunately can't depend on it.
turbid arch
'tis true.
dry ember
Yeah. SF is indeed kinda broken.
mystic vale
It's...a straight line.
dry ember
You on controller?
turbid needle
I think I got my first clear with shield tho 2nd fav weapon atm
main osprey
^^
turbid needle
I didnt even unlock the gun before I beat the game ๐ค
turbid arch
It is the last weapon to unlock these days.
turbid needle
how does it unlock even
main osprey
I always thought they unlocked just by doing more runs, but I also beat the game super quickly so my progression was a bit skewed
cunning urchin
Send me your energy. 
https://imgur.com/a/WfjCr3X
main osprey
power to you!
turbid needle
๐
main osprey
32 heat
mystic vale
You still have a DD Mewmew, you got this.
cunning urchin
mystic vale
:redshade:
main osprey
I need to up my game ๐ I can barely make it to the end consistently right now xD
cunning urchin
main osprey
oh no
cunning urchin
Master Hermes never gave me dashes.
main osprey
oh no
turbid needle
I think you have a point bout progression being wierd when you finish the game fast
main osprey
yeah ^.^" like...total spoilers are fine here, right?
turbid needle
def felt wierd to like finish several runs and still not knowing what to use titan blood for
turbid arch
I just realized that Elysium Spear Heros can thrust their spears about as far
as Zagreus can throw it.
Can we discuss how hilarious that is?
turbid needle
evil
mystic vale
They thrust you about as far as they can throw you.
Unrelated topic; Is there a god of puns?
cunning urchin
He was down to ~10%. I would have easily cleared that if Patroclus had shown up, or Hermes had given me Greatest Reflex.
main osprey
yes, he lives in the Punderworld (which is actually a really good comic you should read it)
mystic vale
I figure in the Norse pantheon, it'd be Loki.
main osprey
Loki would be good at that, with flyting being a thing
mystic vale
But for some reason Greek mythology is limited in tricksters. :/
Possibly because almost all of them are jerks and there would be horrible overlap.
fiery light
I think its probably because alot of the tricksters are saved for demi-gods and heroes
Trickster archetypes exist a plenty in Greek Mythos
just not as you may think
Its hard to look at characters like Hermes, Odysseus, Autolycus and say we're limited exactly
unless youre explicitly meaning just deities
in which case thats kinda the point of gods/goddesses, that theyre the sole owner of one area
main osprey
In Greek mythology, Dolos or Dolus (Ancient Greek: ฮฯฮปฮฟฯ "Deception") is the spirit of trickery and guile.
mystic vale
(And also tax loopholes.)
fiery light
ah yeah
thats another one
and Apate
yeah actually
idk what "lack of tricksters" means
feels like theres plenty to me?
turbid arch
Ratatoskr from Norse Mythology.
At least Smites Version of him.
A squirrel god who is doing all the nut/tree/squirrel puns.
Seriously, he is driving everyone nuts, that one.
naive tusk
Totally unrelated but I will just drop this one line: "I feel like a million nuts" is my favorite line from Ratatoskr ๐ฐ
mystic vale
I remember in Octopath Traveler, there was a squirrel-like enemy who tossed three acorns at various party members. The attack was called "These nuts."
pliant arrow
Hey guys, I've had loads of run trying to get her legendary, full runs with 3 out of 4 boons were artemis's, I've red the wiki, see what boons i needed to have and yet I never saw it, in the whole 140 runs, I've realy wanted to try it out but never could, would any of you know better specifically for Artemis ?
mystic vale
I'm always leery of squirrel-like enemies in Square games. Eyes FFV's Skull Eater accusingly.
You need Dual Shot and Exit Wounds before it'll show.
pliant arrow
Both of thoses ?
turbid arch
Yes
pliant arrow
Dam
unkempt pagoda
yes, and dual shot requires any core artemis boon
turbid arch
Because the Devs don't want you to have fun with Artemis! ๐
turbid arch
Remember that you can't get Exit Wounds without having a cast that can actually get stuck in enemies.
unkempt pagoda
because fully loaded was way too easy to get last update lol
turbid arch
Now here is a big question:
unkempt pagoda
they just swung around into the other extreme this update
pliant arrow
Allright I'll try again tonight
unkempt pagoda
i expect them to adjust it some more
turbid arch
Can Exit Wounds appear if you have Blizzard Shot?
mystic vale
Yeah, no Trippy Shot.
turbid arch
The pre-req for Blizzard Shot is Flood Shot which can get stuck but Blizzard Shot can't get stuck anymore.
unkempt pagoda
i'm not sure exit wounds would also check for a duo boon like that
it might only check the cast
mystic vale
I did put in a fairly well upvoted request that they just make Fully Loaded require "three Artemis boons" instead of specific ones. Effectively making it tier four, and not normally possible before Asphodel, with the possibility of still never coming up.
turbid arch
@mystic vale I made a suggestion that the requirement is "Any cast boon from any god" + "Exit Wounds or Dual Cast".
mystic vale
Mine is just a strict time delay, giving it a good shot of showing (if one has the +legendary mod on) if you're trying hard enough at all.
main osprey
(sorry to interrupt) if I have a god's keepsake and I go to a new floor, does it refresh and guarantee a boon again?
turbid arch
I mean, we had that for Dionysus once. You needed three boons for his legendary to show up.
It was terrible and I am happy that they changed it.
mystic vale
Exit Wounds is kind of an annoying requirement too, since it requires casts that stick, disallowing several cast builds from having Fully Loaded at all.
turbid arch
@main osprey No.
main osprey
thanks
mystic vale
No, Swan. Gotta switch to a different deity or a combat buff keepsake.
naive tusk
Blizzard Shot doesn't invalidate Exit Wounds' appearance, by the way ๐
I checked for restrictions as well when making the boon trees
sweet shell
I just wanna say, I love the bow so much. I rarely get to use a bow in a satisfying way in games, and I love this ๐
do weapons evolve or something?
mystic vale
"Or something", yes.
pliant palm
https://prnt.sc/slw3aj finally got this bad boy
sweet shell
dayum
mystic vale
DPGG.
pliant palm
Some leg are so much harder to get than other x)
main osprey
I'm going for a good Athena run right now
naive tusk
@sweet shell Aw, welcome to Hades 
sweet shell
Thank you!
I'm playing it right now ๐
I got a thing that makes my attacks do a spreading effect instead of just a straight shot
pretty awesome against swarms
pliant palm
https://prnt.sc/slwh5d Dodging ? What's the point ? I wonder...
main osprey
how do you share a screenshot as a link like that?
pliant palm
I use lightshot
main osprey
I guess I'll look that up
cunning urchin
F12 on Steam or FF11 for the in-game shortcut to take a screenshot, then just upload it to imgur or something.
main osprey
yeah, that's what I've been doing. was wondering if lightshot would be faster is all
pliant palm
U can directly generate a link with Lightshot, so eh
main osprey
uhh, that link doesn't seem to be working
main osprey
yup!
honestly, if you think you can dodge well enough, I'd take the first one. that's really good
the extra cast damage is nice, so if you have a solid cast build already you could take that
young gorge
chaos legendary ,,,,
honestly its so hard to not take legendaries....
my brain just goes GOLD BOON
main osprey
yeah. and I play with stubborn defiance, so I don't know how that would show up for me
young gorge
even if it doesn't help much in my current build
oh my god actually i wonder how chaos' dd works with stubborn
do you just get healed to full or what
or do you get an extra sd slot???
main osprey
extra would be broken, probably just extra healing
young gorge
two sds per room is pretty broken ngl
main osprey
I'll let you know xD
main osprey
I generally take chaos whenever I can, especially because I usually have the egg unless I really need the extra healing or boon
naive tusk
My mind when I see Chao's Defiance: "Oh, cute icon. Me take it" as it turns into tunnel vision
main osprey
that's truuue
young gorge
@naive tusk i understand that sentiment so much
even though there's probably better boons on offer and you don't need the extra dd
cunning urchin
Pretty sure Master Chaos's Defiance gives an extra DD with Stubborn Defiance, but you don't get that one back when you lose it. And I think it's to the right of Stubborn Defiance? So you'd lose that one first.
young gorge
you just take it because you can
oh, that's still pretty good
Though, if you had dd slots it adds one
cunning urchin
Hard to say no to what's effectively +100 HP or more.
young gorge
yeah, it's a free skelly
cunning urchin
How have you not? They grow everywhere in Elysium.
main osprey
that's what Athena does
cunning urchin
Yeah.
young gorge
oh yeah she gives you dds
cunning urchin
Yeah.
main osprey
still better than the other two for me
cunning urchin
Sure Footing is great.
naive tusk
Take it and confirm it!
young gorge
sure footing is op man...
main osprey
almost done with styx, not worried about traps
stoic thicket
And there everything came together: https://i.imgur.com/IYehhDs.png
naive tusk
Why not take Phalanx Shot and get that scroll?
cunning urchin
@stoic thicket nice!
main osprey
because I want to have a better chance of actually winning this one xD
young gorge
MY FAVORITE COMBO
cunning urchin
Phalanx Shot is actually pretty nice, too.
young gorge
phalanx shot duo can actually blow things up pretty hard
main osprey
does Ariadne apply to shop boons?
naive tusk
Yes.
main osprey
sweet
cunning urchin
I basically use it as a shield with Malphon, abuse the wide deflect aura.
cunning urchin
You'll get more with time.
main osprey
I've got the +8% chance so I hope so xD
young gorge
yeah! and you'll start boon collecting eventually
naive tusk
Lightning Rod when 
main osprey
I got the Ares/Athena one, but only had one thing that deflected so it wasn't even that useful
cunning urchin
You only need one, really, for the Duo to be super strong.
main osprey
I mean it was good for sure, just didn't feel as impactful as I'd expected ig
unkempt pagoda
there will come a day where the lightning rod meta will reign supreme
main osprey
vermin is not fun
young gorge
tiny vermin?
cunning urchin
Some really strong combos are Chaos Aspect + Curse of Pain + Divine Dash + Merciful End, and Malphon + Curse of Agony + Divine Dash + Merciful End.
main osprey
yeah
cunning urchin
Tiny Vermin can be pretty brutal the first few times.
main osprey
used up my skelly this time >:/
cunning urchin
Well, still later on depending on how strong your build is.
dry ember
main osprey
best of luck!
young gorge
u can do it uvu
main osprey
we believe!
main osprey
and I'm right behind you, just a couple more rooms to go!
cunning urchin
I don't think I've ever fought it without Middle Management. I thought the teleporting was normal.
dry ember
im coming
young gorge
damn mew
honestly most mini bosses i can shred fine but tiny vermin takes so long because it keeps vanishing
main osprey
yeah, vermin teleports normally
young gorge
it's not... teleporting- more like going under ground
main osprey
ig
young gorge
but with benefits package you get that and like
not benefits package- middle management- it poofs randomly to the other side of the room
main osprey
And I go...with no Skelly :(
main osprey
oh yeah, I have a lot
dry ember
My first 32 heat run
cunning urchin
Nice! Congrats!
dry ember
my heart
dry ember
ahhhh
main osprey
NO
I died to one of the skulls exploding in the second phase
if I hadn't lost skelly to the vermin I 100% would've been able to finish him
cunning urchin
Kaboom!
dry ember
i'm sorry although get a companion
main osprey
:3
opal bay
@pliant palm oh yeah the game autosaves, unless you did something or was mid battle, then yeah the game deletes the latest run, keeping its seed.
pliant palm
https://prnt.sc/slxpbv That was stupidly easy
No HP loss on Hades
shield is really broken x)
magic dagger
acorn is also kind of OP
dry ember
And is a tiny bit wiser
main osprey
@naive tusk Athena's Last Stand doesn't show up on the boon progression tree, do you know how it fits in?
azure mauve
is deflect on dash the best dash for any weapon?
naive tusk
I checked its code. It doesn't have any requirements so I excluded it ๐
main osprey
ah, okay! thanks ^.^
stoic thicket
Have to say I thoroughly enjoy the Malphon Ares + Athena + Aphrodite combo. That stuff is just so good and so fun.
naive tusk
Where does Aphrodite fit in there?
stoic thicket
I put her on the special, running Talos aspect so I'm using it anyway. Just having the weak is nice, even disregarding her interactions with Ares.
main osprey
I...uh...yes please???
naive tusk
Ah, I see
Aphrodite is awesome in that she gives damage reduction, debuffs enemies into dealing less damage or taking more damage, boosts life gain, etc.
In fact, she's very versatile ๐ ๐น
dry ember
Can someone help me with the Special and Dash Strike combo with sword?
stoic thicket
Yup. Plus her thing with Ares was kinda nice to have, I got the Ares + Athena duo somewhat late.
dry ember
I have been trying to learn to Special and Dash Strike x Dash Available combo with the sword
My problem is that it keep missing the Dash Strike haha
naive tusk
Oof! It's sad that Curse of Longing doesn't proc on Merciful End activation
stoic thicket
Yup, unfortunately, but either one is quite good actually.
idle drum
After completing the work orders is there any use for diamonds other than exchanging with the merchant?
unkempt pagoda
many expensive cosmetic renovations cost diamonds, and all music cost diamonds
idle drum
Good to know, thanks
viscid vale
diamonds may be needed for some quests too
you don't get a lot and they are required in many occasions even after work orders are done
naive tusk
I knew it! People thought that I was crazy, that I lost my mind but nooo! Here it is! Scintillating Feast without Trippy Shot! ๐ท โก
main osprey
wow you get a lot of gems for fish, or maybe I just got a really rare one?
dry ember
So it's a bug?
viscid vale
you got a rare one
what do you call a lot ?
1000 gems is a lot
and yet you can have decorated columns with it
naive tusk
Well, in the coding High Tolerance is a requisite for SF as well, so I was testing if it would happen in practice
I do think that High Tolerance shouldn't be a requisite for SF or Black Out
slender siren
Hi, just started. I got the bow and arrow got 4 keys for another one of the two weapons but there's no description or what they do?
main osprey
you'll get more details once you unlock them for sure
slender siren
Lol
main osprey
wait really
slender siren
ah okay.
main osprey
oh snap that's good to know xD
dry ember
Eventually you will unlock and potentially use all of them.
viscid vale
welcome to the game ! ๐
naive tusk
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/710856989416226886/713492605953900624/HADES.png
๐ฏ recommend this build ๐
@cunning urchin I tried Thunder Flourish out with Varatha
pliant palm
Just lost a game with ice vine + scintillating feast
I'm the worst player ever
๐ข
turbid needle
Don't feel bad, I've thrown games where I had Hunting Blades before.
pliant palm
:c
Ah well
Anyway, only missing 1 more boon, the artemis leg
Gonna try to get it
unkempt pagoda
it hurts seeing people living out your dream
smoky wolf
?
unkempt pagoda
jk congrats though
smoky wolf
i had to turn down hunter's dash because I already had divine dash/curse of pain/merciful end/cluster bomb
turbid needle
I can't help but feel %-centric dash-heavy Malphon builds should be going on Talos instead.
pliant palm
I don't understand how the god RNG works
proven robin
Probably, but I don't go into my runs with a set plan.
I just do what I can with what I get.
pliant palm
Aren't you supposed to get the gods you get around that start of your run more often for the rest of the run ?
turbid needle
Magnetic Cutter grabs enemies and provides a 40% damage boost.
proven robin
Yeah.
turbid needle
It's only 10 damage, I suppose.
proven robin
Though, I only managed to assemble the huge stack fairly late.
I actually ended up with a Chaos penalty active while fighting Armored Asterius.
...And it was -59% move speed.
And I didn't have any Hermes boons.
turbid needle
And that's why you have 1 DD left in your clear.
proven robin
Indeed so.
raw violet
40% of doom might be substantial though
proven robin
Patroclos saved me.
turbid needle
It just boosts Attack and Cast, no [insert] Strike effects.
My bad, I wasn't specific earlier.
proven robin
Styx also roughed me up.
raw violet
oh the base
proven robin
Mostly the Snakestones.
azure mauve
has anyone escaped max heat before?
proven robin
Probably.
azure mauve
I can't imagine it being possible
azure mauve
even if you're ultra good at not taking damage, speedrunning it would be a problem with the horde of enemies per room.
raw violet
sorry, i mean recorded as in both full video nor even a win screen
there's 2 46 wins with live video
1 49 victory screen only
azure mauve
that's crazy
raw violet
who knows if there are any silent higher heat wins
pliant palm
I know Haelian nearly won a 50 heat one, but yeah, max heat sounds... painful x)
magic dagger
I just came back to a run, and I spawned on top of lava. I lost a DD before I knew what was happening. WTH?
dry ember
Don't think so
autumn tapir
love getting Exclusive Access on literally the last possible boon of the run
proven robin
Funnily enough, if you've still got a couple of tunnels to run in Styx, Rare Crop is fine even if you get it from Charon's shop or from one of the tunnels.
dry ember
I always fell like Zag Bow needs a good hammer upgrade.
dry ember
Agreed.
Runs with bow and no hammer is painful.
Also ik you are guaranteed 2 hammers per run
But if you skip one, will you only see one up ahead?
turbid needle
You mean don't take a hammer until Elysium?
Because the first hammer gets super insistent in Asphodel if you haven't taken it by then.
dry ember
Yeah
turbid needle
If you go into Styx with only one hammer, I think you can reroll one of the branches to a hammer with Fated Authority.
dry ember
Also Hammer in first Elysium room isn't guaranteed right?
turbid needle
Not guaranteed, but insistent.
dry ember
Just a high chance