hypnos can bugger off, he made it so i couldn't sleep tonight and now i'm doing awful
#h1-builds-and-combat
neon fiber
mystic vale
(I think Premium Vintage is my most taken boon overall...)
neon fiber
lost all my DDs already and i haven't even gotten to the hydra
mystic vale
I'm apparently playing Zag as a raging alcoholic.
mystic vale
I'm on Family Favourite ATM.
cunning urchin
I'd pretty much always take an early Premium Vintage in Tartarus over anything else from him.
mystic vale
I think I've started living inside your head. :p
Yeesh. Survival room with the skulls having that pink slowing aura.
cunning urchin
Did you choose Benefits Package?
cunning urchin
I stay 10,000 feet away from that. 
I think Benefits Package 1 should be 4 heat lol.
mystic vale
Oh hello Divine Strike + Spread Fire.
tepid ridge
Benefits package might be slightly unbalanced at the mo but it just feels like how the game should be played to me. Mostly because it reminds me of champion enemies with different effects in the Binding of Isaac
mystic vale
I'm getting a Diablo 2 vibe. :p
cunning urchin
I'm hoping for some adjustments. Some perk combos in some rooms seem unwinnable or close.
Especially when you have other pacts.
tepid ridge
Yea I haven’t taken two levels of it at the same time yet
mystic vale
Heat 57 FTW?
dry ember
For the masochists
dense fable
Hey guys, I'm pretty new to the game and this Discord, is there a place where I can find the meaning of DD, DR, CV that you're talking about ?
tepid ridge
Not as far as I know, the ones you mentioned are abbreviations for “Death Defiance” Dark Regeneration, and Cthonic Vitality. I kind of wish there was a guide for new players on this discord for them somewhere as well tbh
cunning urchin
DD = Death Defiance; DR = Dark Regeneration or Damage Reduction; CV = Chthonic Vitality.
tepid ridge
But it’s not really part of the game, more just jargon the community has started using
dry ember
They are perks you can upgrade in the mirror of night in your bed chamber.
But yeah the abbreviation needs contexts, by themselves I wouldn't know what CV or DR is
Don't worry about it!
dense fable
Oh right, I guess I just have to play a bit more before I become fluent. Thanks !
mystic vale
I posted in server suggestions.
tepid ridge
In the mean time feel free to ask! Most people don’t mind doing a little “DD=Death Defiance” when chatting.
mystic vale
Hermes or Pom? lolololol
dry ember
How many Hermes do you have?
mystic vale
Ouch. +3 Dash or +40% speed.
dry ember
Dash
tepid ridge
Ya dash any day of the week
mystic vale
Yeah, I'm trying to get Divine Dash anyhow.
dry ember
Makes the Hades fight a cakewalk for me
mystic vale
I like speed with the Bow usually.
dry ember
Hmm you are my counterpart.
cunning urchin
I look like I know all the initialisms if you only look at my messages, but I often have the wiki open and look for the names on the mirror or pact pages lol.
tepid ridge
The way I compare move speed and more dashes is that they both make you significantly faster, while one is a little harder to use but also makes you invincible.
dry ember
Yeah the I frames for dashes are one of the best things in the game.
mystic vale
I just figured you were all-seeing and all-knowing, Mewmew. :p
cunning urchin
Thankfully no. There are things I'd rather not see.
For example, Zagreus getting ||absolutely clobbered|| by Hades in your runs. 
mystic vale
Or how Megaera celebrates International Women's Day.
cunning urchin
She celebrates with me, of course.
More dashes also gets you around the screen faster than movement speed, and gives you more dash-strikes.
mystic vale
And hey, I'm down to like a...90% loss rate. :p
cunning urchin
There's apparently no day I'm not mentioning dash-strike multiple times here.
Dash-strike is your friend.
mystic vale
Gonna wear your feet out, girl.
dry ember
Honestly. Most of the problems I have with weapons can be solved with dash strike.
cunning urchin
Never. I'll dash-strike spam until the end of time.
mystic vale
Keep saying that and they'll nerf it. :p
dry ember
With spear? Dash strike, bonus with serated edge
mystic vale
3 purple heads? Lernie, are you even trying?
101 gold from GT just at end of Asphodel. Deep Pockets can piss right off. :p
dry ember
What is gt?
cunning urchin
Dragon Ball GT.
neon fiber
i can't believe hades would include the non canon series
west totem
goku top
neon fiber
achshuallhy toriyama washn't directly involved even if he basically designed ssj4 so clearly it'sh not canon
god the gt canon argument is dumb
who cares if it was canon or not it was a cool series
cunning urchin
You're the one who brought it up.
mystic vale
Don't go pulling logic into this, Mewmew.
neon fiber
i was just messing around to see if anyone took the bait ngl
mystic vale
You could have typed a lot less and just said trolololol.
dry ember
A fish! A Knucklehead.
cunning urchin
Wow, what are you calling Beautiful Duwang a Knucklehead for.
neon fiber
hey!
i caught a duwanglehead
dry ember
More on the I almost got baited so I'm the Knucklehead
neon fiber
we're all knuckleheads in this fine day
cunning urchin
Yes. You all.
gaunt tundra
all jokes and fun until everyone gets taken to the kitchen
mystic vale
We exist for Mewmew's amusement apparently. :p
proven robin
Hilariously, I've been mashing the dash button so many times I think I'm starting to wear it out on my controller.
west totem
Ill be glad to be a knucklehead because Dusa can smell me
dry ember
Hmmmmmm
proven robin
Thankfully it's the Steam Controller, so I turned the right touchpad into my buttons and that's worked out fine.
cunning urchin
. . .
mystic vale
One day, I'mma throw on heat 57, grab Stygius, and see if I can die in the first three rooms. :p
west totem
seriously tho snakes dont got noses how she smelling my chlams
dry ember
No you are right. but the implications man
cunning urchin
@mystic vale just do it now. See how far you can get lol.
dry ember
Just do it hit less
mystic vale
I would, but I'm in a run.
dry ember
Also, is it me or the default controller scheme not intuitive?
mystic vale
Elysium champs split into six floating eyes. This is gonna be easy.
west totem
Im jus sayin that using Q for special might not be the best
hard to move left and special at the same time
cunning urchin
That's better than FO2 Longspears with slow aura and bruiser on a melee build.
dry ember
Yeah. Or R3 for reloading on rail
Like, for real?
Good thing the rebinding process is simple enough.
west totem
Reloading is painful
mystic vale
+78% to my Dash-Strike when I have Spread Fire and Piercing Fire?
mystic vale
That seems a bit too kind.
cunning urchin
If the question is dash-strike, the answer is yes.
mystic vale
Just 3 encounters of Inferno-Bombs on death for it.
Butterfly ball lasted 8 seconds before I get the DS boost.
cunning urchin
Do you have Hunter Dash?
mystic vale
Nope, sadly. Not seen Arte at all.
I should have you add me on Steam and critique one of my runs at some point.
cunning urchin
I don't actually add anyone on Steam. Just my two best friends. But can you record one and upload it to YouTube? I'd take a look sometime for sure if you do that.
Mind you, I'm not that great either, but I could probably give some tips.
mystic vale
I haven't the slightest clue how to do non-Steam things. Twitch, video recording, any of that stuff. And I honestly don't care to learn. So I'll just pick on someone else eventually.
dry ember
OBS isn't that hard to use. You can do a quick Google search
But anyhow, I just obliterated the Hydra in 30s
Yay
dense fable
How many runs do you have ?
dry ember
Uh 80 runs in total and 25 clears?
mystic vale
164 off GT.
❤️ GT.
+101 from Asphodel and 53 at end of Tartarus. 308 this run.
And I actually bought about 120 coins worth of stuff in Elysium.
dry ember
What do you mean by runs? Like each attempt to escape?
dry ember
Yeah I have like 80 runs and 60 hours in the game. I'm not new new but not that advanced either.
mystic vale
Ahahahaha epic Drift Dash with +3 Dash.
Don't mind me, gonna go challenge Hermes to a race.
dense fable
Still the learning curve seems nice, I'm only at 20 runs, but I don't think I'd get to 25 wins that fast
dry ember
Oh don't sweat it dude. The first clear is always the hardest
mystic vale
Kinda want Low Tolerance at this point.
dry ember
After the first one you will find it easy to win consistently. Like trust me. You will get there!
west totem
actually yeah
mystic vale
Okay is Black Out currently bugged or something?
west totem
I think Hades has a good thing going where you learn quite a bit after every run
mystic vale
I have Trippy Shot, Positive Outlook, High Tolerance, Premium Vintage, and Drunken Dash and it still won't show.
cunning urchin
It's just RNG once you meet the requirements.
dry ember
You haven't met the requirements I don't think
proven robin
Welcome to my experience trying to get Demeter's.
mighty ermine
mystic vale
Oh, right. Because the middle three have completely failed to show up at any point.
dry ember
F since any major boons except for dash would get you there
umbral lagoon
aight screw it i'm going to RNG hunting blades and beat hades with full cast build
i just want to recycle heat so i can get blood
cunning urchin
Why are there two colors for arrows in that chart with no explanation. I'm honestly not a fan of the boon charts on the wiki.
cunning urchin
I think they suck.
dry ember
For example Trippy Shot and Drunken Strike is enough
For the requirements
I think you should be more grateful
mighty ermine
i'm sure HeartfulPeach would be receptive to feedback on improving their readability nyaanyaa
cunning urchin
I'll probably look into that, yes.
mystic vale
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1018322321463578532/197E79347B8A3C99BE61AF54D226D0BDE4B83093/ It didn't even bother listing five skills.
"This run brought to you by Spread Fire. Plz nerf."
viscid vale
can't believe i never tested spread fire
dry ember
Arti and Spreadfire are really nice.
mystic vale
Y'see how I've got 3 Rail wins there?
Guess how many times I've gotten Spread Fire.
Go on, guess.
mystic vale
Pfft, I specifically asked for a nerf in feedback. Got a few thumbs up. Like 25%. :p
dry ember
I go out of my way not to pick spread fire since I don't want to be dependent on it
I'm addicted to triple bomb instead
west totem
Whats spread fire again
unkempt pagoda
shotgun
dry ember
The shotgun upgrade for the rail
mystic vale
One of these days I'll plan for Spread Fire and take Shadow Presence over Fiery.
unkempt pagoda
aoe piercing for 50 dmg
cunning urchin
Spread Fire is an acronym for win-button.
young gorge
honestly yeah
west totem
Pfft yea, spread fire is so bad, haha yes devs buff it
mystic vale
I mean you could seriously just dip the base damage down to 30 and it would probably be fine.
Possibly even 35.
50 is nuts.
dry ember
I think the number crunching can be left for the devs.
mystic vale
Ouch, 10 diamonds for that one. Not done with them yet. :p
cunning urchin
Was gonna go to bed, but I think I want to do a quick Exagryph run. Shouldn't take long. 
mystic vale
I mean, probably. But since I've been beta testing games for 27 years now, I thought my input for a ballpark figure might not be absolutely stupid.
unkempt pagoda
i think 30 would be perfect
proven robin
Am I the only person who's had problems properly spacing Spread Fire?
Like, I do appreciate the damage, but I also tend to miss a lot because I'm just out of range.
unkempt pagoda
spread fire was balanced a spread of 5 bullets before, so i think trading two less bullets for aoe piercing would be fine
mystic vale
I'm usually DSing point blank with Spread, so...
proven robin
Yeah, it's more a question of it fitting with my usual habits than it being bad.
mystic vale
Turn Thick Skin, Shadow Presence, and Privileged Status on for Malphon.
I got 7 of the 11 benefits in that Package run.
cunning urchin
Yeah, the solution to not missing your Spread Fire shots is dash-strike.
MOAH DASH-STRIKE!!!11!!1!!11!!!11!!ELEVENTYONE!!!1!
mystic vale
Mewmew's licence plate: Dsh4Lif.
mystic vale
I should have seen that coming.
neon fiber
DASH FOR THE DASH GOD
KNOCKBACK FOR THE KNOCKBACK THRONE
dry ember
In all seriousness
proven robin
I do more or less the same with Delta Chamber, though of course the range there is better.
dry ember
I think that might have to do with the auto aim system
Like your range is reduced
But your auto aim still use the normal range
Which might make your gameplay a bit uncanny.
mystic vale
Finally got Rush Kick to finish that prophecy.
proven robin
Maybe! Either way, I don't blame the mod. It's really strong. Just need to get in there more.
mystic vale
2 gems and a pom. I'm getting the worst rooms.
dry ember
Laugh in Fated Authority
neon fiber
time4rerolls then knucklehead
proven robin
2 Gems and a Pom sounds like an upscale juice company.
mystic vale
Cute. Trove and Chaos Gate right by door. I move DIRECTLY next to the trove (anywhere else had me on the gate) and I get the door.
Thanks, game. Just thanks.
mystic vale
At the risk of sounding horribly unlucky...you can fish in Chaos's realm?
turbid needle
Yes.
dry ember
Ohhh yes
proven robin
Yep! Only codex entries for fish I haven't filled out yet.
Hell, haven't even encountered them yet.
neon fiber
you can fish in chaos' realm, but the chances of getting a fishing spot there are ridiculously low
dry ember
Could never spot the fishing spot in Asphodel or Elysium
mystic vale
Yeah, I'm still trying this "perfect catch" thing.
dry ember
Any tips on doing that?
mystic vale
I don't think I have the reflexes for it.
neon fiber
asphodel's really hard to notice amongst all the lava
mystic vale
I'd just have to press right BEFORE the flash and get lucky.
neon fiber
well, it's a burning river and not entirely lava iirc but you get the point
dry ember
For perfect catch, I learned this from the Internet, use your fingers to cover the bouy. Watch only for a flash of light.
Work surprisingly well. I went from 0 perfect catch to 70%.
Anyhow, can fish spawn in the water area (or lava) in Asphodel or Elysium?
Or just the ponds within the arena?
cunning urchin
Yeah, they can spawn in the water or lava.
Anywhere you'd expect fish.
Like . . . magma.
cunning urchin
Depends on the chamber, I guess? I honestly don't pay too much attention.
Most of the time I hear the ding, I'm already leaving the room lol.
dry ember
Yup. That's me too
Also how come fishes have better heat tolerance than Zag, literally son of the God of the Dead?
bold hamlet
Is anyone else having trouble seeing Zagreus in Asphodel?
neon fiber
no
mossy breach
there is also a "ding" sound when you finish a chamber that tells you there is a fishing spot
neon fiber
yeah, but it can be covered by the music or all the general mayheym
dry ember
That's actually a godsend
mossy breach
music stops when you finish a chamber
neon fiber
or zagreus' voicelines or sometimes a chaos gate's noise
mystic vale
Ahahahaha 2 bloods for a diamond? GTHO.
dry ember
How about 1 blood for 200 gems
west totem
I got 200 gems outta it and it really sped up my early game with the fountains and gold
but
dry ember
Wretched broker can be a scammer sometimes
neon fiber
sometimes
never, under any circumstances, trust em
They’re called wretched for a reason
And it’s not because they’re dead
Lad deserves a bigger punishment than sisyphus
tepid ridge
Yea the only time I spent titan blood with him was the 500 darkness one. Which, to be fair, is a rip-off once you learn how to do a farming run but it did net me my third Defiance so I can’t really be mad there
mystic vale
When he offers a nectar for 100 gems or a blood for 15 keys, that's fine.
magic dagger
I buy gems constantly. I need those rugs and chairs
tepid ridge
Elysian Rug gang rise up
mystic vale
I like how Zagreus never contemplates wearing armour instead of going out in a folded towel. :p
dry ember
Elysian rug is like the gaudiest thing out there
I prefer the more subdued one
Chthonic I think it's called
Not sure though
tepid ridge
You literally buy it with gems pried from the jaws of the underworld it deserves to be gaudy sometimes
magic dagger
Yeah it's cthonic
I want a BoTW-like compression-shorts skin for Zag
dry ember
I prefer the have a quiet demeanor and carry a big stick Excalibur approach.
But you are right
It's pretty metal considering you pry it from dead cold hand of already dead people
tepid ridge
I think cthonic does fit the house better but I like disrespecting Theseus by having nicer rugs than he does
dry ember
Lol
cunning urchin
That could have gone better. https://imgur.com/a/KtZD9Ck
magic dagger
big shopping trip, too🤮
dry ember
Then my 25 mins average must be an eternity
magic dagger
It's faster than most casuals
cunning urchin
I went for Hammer instead of Hermes once; after that, he only showed up in shops when I didn't have enough money.
magic dagger
my best time on the shield is 45 min.
dry ember
Is that Forced Overtime on?
cunning urchin
Yeah, that's FO2.
It makes them spawn faster, so you can clear faster.
Also makes especially bosses a lot harder, though.
turbid needle
I only use FO2 for 32 Heat runs, and I've got all 6 of mine done already.
Arguably the hardest Pact option.
dry ember
Hardest one to me seems to be Approval Process
cunning urchin
I will in a moment. Was a bit distracted before the run.
dry ember
At max
turbid needle
Approval Process is... I don't know if I'd say "poorly designed," but I don't like it.
dry ember
Good night. It's literally noon in my place so yeah
turbid needle
It's skyrocketing RNG without adequate returns.
mystic vale
Underworld Customs seemed positively suicidal.
dry ember
AP is finr
turbid needle
UC isn't as bad as AP.
turbid needle
I'd rather see boons from different gods mixed in than randomly removing options.
Sometimes UC asks for Dual, Slicing Shot, or Hunting Blades.
Then you just gotta take your lumps.
turbid needle
Yes, moreso than AP.
dry ember
Yeah
Speaking of Hunting Blade
What is a good weapon to start a run aiming for that build?
Ik it's hard to get
turbid needle
Anything that increases Cast damage.
Poseidon, Achilles, Talos, and Eris.
Achilles is super hard mode but he gives way more damage than any other weapon, 150% at max level.
I'd recommend running it with Stygian Soul and shooting for a second Cast.
dry ember
Ok I have no idea how to use Achilles
The first time I use I also picked the hammer that let your special bounce
turbid needle
Ooh, that's rough, you don't want that one.
dry ember
Let's say it wasn't fun.
vivid solar
just reached my first goal of beating 15 heat with rail ! Trying for 20 next
untold quiver
Achilles Spear is imo the king of hunting blades .... because it makes great use of the blade rift if you don't get hunting blades
dry ember
So like special into the enemy then cast?
tepid ridge
Special, special again to fly at them, fling at least two casts if you can so they both get the damage bonus.
untold quiver
The buff lasts a while so you can position however you need to...you can even special away and then cast as they close in
tepid ridge
I don’t mind bouncing special btw, as long as you have a dash ready and an okay special damage boon, it’s great AOE
untold quiver
I had like the best run at it.....I was mad the heat wasn't higher.....bigger blades, the damage stack, the returning shards
magic dagger
Is it possible to clear at five heat five times instead of 1, 2, 3, 4, then 5 heat, and still get all the bounties?
cunning urchin
Yes.
dry ember
EM stands for?
cunning urchin
Extreme Measures.
dry ember
That gives the bosses new move right?
dry ember
Like?
mystic vale
Oh, Alecto, won't you die in a fire?
magic dagger
real men only use the first hit in Malphon's combo.
dry ember
Real men just special the enemy to death
graceful raven
Is 20% the maximum effect on Lambent Plume?
azure mauve
TIL Aphrodite Cast is useless for Hera bow. cause after a shot the hit wave is behind the person being shot at.
stoic thicket
Wait, that works? I can play a higher Heat level and still get the bounties from the lower ones?
dry ember
Yeah
naive tusk
For example: You haven't claimed bounties from Heat level 3 but you cleared a run with 5 Heat. Bounties from 3 Heat will be claimed instead.
stoic thicket
Oh, I see.
dry ember
You don't get them all at once.
dry ember
So to earn all 5 heat bounties you need to do 5 runs at least.
naive tusk
I'm just going to pin that since it's asked frequently 😅
I just watched Kossetsu's video. That's actually a good tutorial on how to get rid of those mini chariots for people who weren't aware of their kamikaze nature 
dry ember
Ik about them blow up
stoic thicket
People that aren't aware of their Kamikaze nature will very quickly realize what they are all about.
dry ember
Is there anything else I should know about
stoic thicket
Project: get out with each weapon once status: 5/6. Now only the damn bow.
dry ember
Bow was my first clear
untold quiver
What casts do people like for the hera bow?
dry ember
Trippy shot for me
mystic vale
Trippy shot, yo.
dry ember
Artemis is pretty OK too
azure mauve
Poseidon/Dionysus
stoic thicket
Fists was my first clear. I managed to get to Hades two or three times with the bow but then I got my behind handed to me.
cunning urchin
For the bow, dash-strike is your friend.
mystic vale
For everything, DS is your friend. Ask Mewmew.
cunning urchin
Not for cast builds or Chaos Aspect.
azure mauve
hell yea, I will dash-strike with spear and Serrated Edge on it all day
dry ember
Support fire on fist
untold quiver
I've been likeing Demeter or Ares for Chiron bow.... finally clearing t
With the bow, but haven't really started on Hera I like cast builds tho
untold quiver
Doom spread on special for room clearing....stack it on bosses
dry ember
Also Chiron with Deadly Flourish is well deadly
unkempt pagoda
presumably the only build where dire misfortune works lol
azure mauve
getting 2 spin attack upgrades made the run cheesy and trivial
dry ember
But with Chiron you don't really spread Doom
stoic thicket
Don't have Hera bow unlocked yet, not enough Titan Blood. Chiron aspect has to do for now.
dry ember
Unless you don't AA
untold quiver
You do if you don't attack something
dry ember
Chiron needs more upgrades to get out of the meh territory
stoic thicket
Thought going Chiron with Dionysus special and... I don't know, Aphrodite or Demeter attack or something.
dry ember
Hera has all her power front loaded.
hazy yacht
man, what a fun run this was https://i.imgur.com/Lqk4xNY.png
I could have done it much faster but I was enjoying playing around with it so much
cunning urchin
Zag Aspect bow imo is the best one.
mystic vale
Nevermind, just Dio to go.
dry ember
I find it too reliant on a good attack boon
Like if you don't get Arti, Aphro, Athena, or Poseidon attack boon
You are boned.
stoic thicket
I mean all I want is just a 0 heat win with that thing to get the bounties out of the way and grab the 10 titan blood from the achievement, I think most of the stuffs should do. Could probably also just do a cast build or something and ignore the weapon.
dry ember
For the bow?
stoic thicket
Yeah.
cunning urchin
Forcing an attack boon is pretty easy.
dry ember
Hmm ik we are beating the dead horse, but dash strike is your best friend, no matter what aspect you use.
Although less so with Chiron
mystic vale
Freezing both the champs was super cathartic.
hazy yacht
if you can get the rapid fire daedalus upgrade, you don't need to dash strike
I prefer its consistency to the mental strain of doing power shots all the time
but i'm not trying to beat records (although my 13:08 rail run is pretty sicc)
dry ember
1308 is indeed pretty sick.
mystic vale
Lawl. Walked into a room in temple and there were two enemies who instantly died to traps. ROOM CLEAR!
dry ember
I love it when people use the word grok haha
hazy yacht
I know, it doesn't sound like english lol
stoic thicket
Yeah, I've done a couple runs with the bow and didn't like it much. Shield or Rail are much more fun.
dry ember
GROK LOVES HADES
hazy yacht
GROK SMASH
dry ember
Friend, you and I are opposite. I have 10 clears in bow and like 3 to 4 in other weapons.
dry ember
I feel ya. That's how I thought of the spear. I find it clunky.
cunning urchin
@mystic vale do you have Divine Strike?
dry ember
Until I learn about Serrated Edge
cunning urchin
Hmmm. Well, I guess Frost Strike might work out.
mystic vale
I'mma be using Skewer and Blade Rift and running like a roadrunner on meth.
cunning urchin
Should be good with the bracer. Don't turn your back to spins lol.
Unless you know you can make it out.
mystic vale
What I really needed was Ares call.
To go with Vicious Cycle.
Does Winter Harvest work twice because double life bars? :p
untold quiver
I've picked it up because I get extra boons going for hunting blades.....I mean it's nice in that you can pop it to bypass high damage boss moves (final boss superlaser, Theseus initial call
cunning urchin
You can stand right next to Hades and his lasers will miss.
cunning urchin
Did you get hit in the back?
mystic vale
Side, but it was multiple hits.
Oh boy, if I get a Defiance boon from Chaos, I get 30 keys.
Granted, that's still 60% of a Diamond, so...
mystic vale
16 prophecies left.
cunning urchin
I think 2 for me.
mystic vale
Shield run next, but not for several hours. I have to pretend to be an adult for awhile.
sudden dagger
Hello
mystic vale
Heat 3, I think?
dry ember
How do you get 170 HP on Guan Yu?
sudden dagger
Ooh you dirty rat, you killed my brother, prepare to die
dry ember
No I believe you
sudden dagger
I got the Lambert plume but I can never tell if I cleared the encounter fast enough. Does anything in the UI update if you do?
dry ember
I just wonder how that happened. My Guan Yu runs net me like 120 HP 
mystic vale
What's surprising is I did it without Life Affirmation. My first GY run had it and I had like 250hp.
Zag mentions the buff happening, at least for the first several rooms.
dry ember
There is a little plus number next to the keepsake if you clear it fast enough
Sometimes Z will say something
cunning urchin
@mystic vale next time you use Guan Yu, start with Lady Athena's keepsake and Persuasion, and get Divine Strike from her at the first opportunity on any rarity. Trust me on that one.
mystic vale
I'm pretty sure I can win my next GY run if Aphrodite and Athena show up.
untold quiver
@sudden dagger the is a graphic effect that happens around zag if you clear with text if I remember correctly.....you can see the total at the boon screen and there is a timer that counts down over the plume
dry ember
Otherwise you can manually check the keepsake in the boon menu to see if it increases
mystic vale
Anyhow, this knucklehead's gone for the next eight hours or so. See you in Hades!
cunning urchin
Chaos boons and Erebus can give some very nice HP buffs.
mystic vale
(I did have +31 from a Chaos.)
sudden dagger
@untold quiver thanks for the information!
The only time I had decent sustain, I got a way to exchange max hp for regen
But idk how
I wish there was a way to see previous boons you had
sudden dagger
Yes!
untold quiver
There is a hammer upgrade for the sword that heals on attack but cuts off a chunk of your health
sudden dagger
Oh, cool! Yes that must have been it
dry ember
Cursed Sword
cunning urchin
An early Premium Vintage can also skyrocket the HP you get with Guan Yu.
mossy breach
@sudden dagger there is a small visual of the time you have remaining for the plume
sudden dagger
Sweet
dry ember
Hades aspect is the superior aspect anyhow
sudden dagger
Thanks for the image I'll know what to look for
dry ember
Yeah for real
untold quiver
For what spear?
untold quiver
Achilles Spear and the bleeeeeeeeendeeeerr
I need to do more runs to see if it has consistency
hazy yacht
best aspects.. change my view https://i.imgur.com/yJPJUK0.jpg
untold quiver
What is the rail on?
dry ember
Zag
hazy yacht
zagreus
dry ember
I think
mossy breach
Zeus shield?
hazy yacht
zeus shield is sooo good
untold quiver
Well I take Posidon blade myself and Hestia Rail but those are pretty solid
hazy yacht
poseidon blade is fun
untold quiver
Zeus shield is good AFTER you get it upgraded......Zeus level 1 is a hot circle of garbage
hazy yacht
I really don't like any other rail than zag, but that's because I always take the daedalus spread shot upgrade and it performs well with extra ammo
agreed re: zeus shield
lvl 4 or 5 are a must
untold quiver
I love Hestia....but I'm way more about the special than the attack
Five bomb or tripple rocket mmmmmmm
hazy yacht
the post-special delay on rail is so slow I can't play with it
i always put myself in bad positions because of it
admittedly that's my problem
hazy yacht
i mean the delay before you can move again
the actual air time isn't too bad
i find that fun actually
untold quiver
Yeah that's my problem with the bow...the charge attack is 💩 for me to play with my best runs are often when I get the "no charge shot" hammer upgrade
hazy yacht
same
dry ember
Why I love power shotting
untold quiver
I just now am figured out how to be more deliberate with my attacks and make Achilles Spear work......also blade rifts and tripple dash attacks
dry ember
I don't use Forced Overtime so I just dash behind the enemy and power shot
untold quiver
Cause I don't leave myself time to pullback
dry ember
Bonus point with Triple Shot or Twin Shot
untold quiver
It's a pebkac error for sure
untold quiver
Yeah I just fixed it lol
hazy yacht
I really wish I could get flurry slash on excalibur
i love that upgrade
also cruel thrust...
man cruel thrust would be SO good
untold quiver
I think for my taste I would ideally always like some Demeter boons, generally speaking......ravenous will is so nice
Does the special speed increase for zeus shield also increase tick frequency?
hazy yacht
I love excalibur... 148/150 lol https://i.imgur.com/ZWQgGFx.jpg
neon fiber
chaos aspect is a better shield
odd quarry
It feels so ridiculous tho lol
odd quarry
Granted I'm playing on low-ish heat (7-10 range) at the moment, so I dunno if that makes a difference or not
restive solar
rather than absolute heat level, it would matter if you took the price/gold affecting heat upgrades
odd quarry
But being able to buy out Charon because I took a +Obol Chaos boon early and 1-2 obol rooms is just absurd
raw violet
but that requires you get the chaos boon and not buy anything in tartarus
restive solar
Yeah, I literally never start with any keepsake other than cthonic purse because golden touch scales out of control so easily
I'm around 14-16 heat
hazy yacht
what a blast https://i.imgur.com/4bPOphS.png
raw violet
which is a tradeoff for having control over the run
viscid vale
absolute unit
narrow rampart
god, Excalibur is so good
raw violet
and/or speed
hazy yacht
i chunked hades with my backstab crits lol
restive solar
control over your run <<<<< enough gold to buy anything you could ever want ever
viscid vale
so true
raw violet
for you
restive solar
indeed, I am happy with this state of affairs
if you like the other talent, that is also good
I do not desire a nerf
pls
narrow rampart
i used to take the purse first always, but now that im experimenting with/gravitating towards specfic builds i usually go with god keep sakes
raw violet
i'm able to buy everything I need for my runs and I have plenty of titan blood that i don't need to buy those
narrow rampart
Which hurts i want that bread ;-;
viscid vale
happy man, full of titan blood
restive solar
Twi, I've found that in general you still get control of your build, but it comes online in Asphodel rather than tartarus
narrow rampart
yeah
raw violet
the two talents cater to different playstyles and run types
restive solar
being able to buy an immense number of boons from Charon means you generally get enough boons to build whatever you want
narrow rampart
yeah again
restive solar
I go Purse in Tartarus, then god keepsakes in every realm after
raw violet
charon is not a controllable boon source though
narrow rampart
charon hates me tho and his rng never works for me
i usually go keepsake THEN purse
restive solar
no, but the immense number of Charon boons means you can often brute force the rng
raw violet
but i can do that without golden touch
narrow rampart
helps me get things started fast, and the measly sum i lose on isn't that much yet
i almost never manage to do that without golden touch
like if i wanna get like 66% of what's in the shops? usually can't do that without golden touch
mystic vale
Making GT "absurd" involves not spending anything in the first two zones, starting with the coin purse instead of a deity relic, and careful spending in Elysium.
raw violet
correct
narrow rampart
yeah that
raw violet
those are tradeoffs
narrow rampart
it's pretty well balanced methinks
restive solar
disagree, it involves a certain amount of care but not as much as you imply
raw violet
which is why I argue it doesn't need a nerf
mystic vale
That's a pretty big investment. If you're good enough to manage that, you deserve the reward.
Just like if you can keep your health over 80%, you deserve the damage buff from High Confidence.
viscid vale
I GOT MY FIRST CHRUSTACEAN
restive solar
Something to consider is the ability to manage selling off boons
narrow rampart
YAY
viscid vale
partay
mystic vale
Congratulations, Stag. Your life has gained worth and meaning.
viscid vale
so much
restive solar
When you go purse first, you end up with some boons you don't want. Allowing yourself to pick temporary boons that are good in the short run and also can be sold for a lot of gold is an important skill for golden touch
viscid vale
i feel like a new person
mystic vale
TBH the most "OP" thing about GT to me is that if I don't start with a deity boon, I seem to get a hammer right off 33-50% of the time.
restive solar
lmao I felt that way at first
mystic vale
And that's just RNG hijinx. I'm sure there's no relation.
odd quarry
Late but you can buy things early on and still get better benefits out of GT
restive solar
but I've been on a rash of runs where I literally don't get offered the hammer until charon's shop
raw violet
if you pick up boons you don't need then you exponentially make some builds more difficult to do
mystic vale
You can, but only very small things. Nothing like boons, max life increases, hammers, etc.
narrow rampart
bro same, rabbit
restive solar
picking up boons you don't need is an intrinsic part of this game
viscid vale
what is GT ?
raw violet
if you are going for something like an ice wine/scintillating feast/cold fusion then every boon counts
mystic vale
Golden Touch.
odd quarry
Like I said; if you get out of Tartarus with roughly 250-ish (possibly less, say you have to buy a hammer 'cause it's only in the shop), you still get roughly equal Obol values with GT to Deep Pockets
raw violet
it's a part of the game
viscid vale
ill have to check the mirror
mystic vale
I mean Dark Regen is 99% better than Cthonic Vitality. I suggested they boost CV to +5 though.
restive solar
getting the god combo of ice wine/scintillating/etc is a matter of RNG that isn't something you can easily control
agile prism
I agree there
odd quarry
And equal in a bad scenario but better in almost every other? Yeah I'd say GT feels a bit too good.
agile prism
especially once you upgrades darkness
raw violet
and part of rng is stacking your chances
restive solar
and having one less controlled boon per run due to purse isn't going to help that much
raw violet
meaning you need god boons and rerolls
restive solar
rerolls is big definitely
mystic vale
Question is, what do you do to buff Deep Pockets? 150? 200?
restive solar
but that's more about how much darkness you've managed to accumulate
dry ember
Or just git gud and don't get hit playing the game
mystic vale
You don't want to nerf GT because its benefits are partially skill based and why punish skill?
I go purse-deity-deity-bracers, myself.
With the exception of if I caster build. Then I def get Artemis first. :p
odd quarry
Usually what I do is Purse > God > God > Skelly, since in Tartarus, even if the boons are random, I can generally get an idea of 'oh hey, I got two gods with a decent duo, so let's use my other two chances (combined with the +Duo/Leg Talent, forget the name) to make sure I get it'
restive solar
purse-deity-deity-deity usually, but last deity can be swapped for broken spear if needed
viscid vale
i always used deep pockets, i didn't think golden touch was that great cause at the end of a biome you usually spent most of your gold, right ?
restive solar
@viscid vale on the contrary, you get more gold at the end if you sell boons right
mystic vale
Well, with DP I do. With GT I only buy essentials until after Elysium.
agile prism
Does anyone know if there will be localization to Japanese btw
odd quarry
In my case no. Once I found out Charon sold Blood/Diamonds, and had a huge selection of stuff in Styx, I started taking GT and found a giant difference lol
viscid vale
i don't want to sell my boons ! they are often epic and i get ton of damage from them
mystic vale
Sar: Unless you're using Guan Yu, Bracers give you more effective life than Skelly.
restive solar
given the randomness of boons and gods in the game, you WILL end up with a handful of easily sellable boons each run
odd quarry
Hrm. I might consider that then
mystic vale
@agile prism You might offer to do so.
dry ember
@agile prism in #hades-localization-faq , currently no Japanese
restive solar
especially at the beginning when you are picking up gods for your basic slots that you don't want in the long run
proven robin
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2101321489 AAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA
raw violet
even with guan yu, you only need something like 125 health to make skelly less effective life
proven robin
I do believe that I have juiced Attack pretty well this run.
mystic vale
(Provided, of course, you're able to usually get hit from the front.)
agile prism
@mystic vale @dry ember thank you! I could help honestly if they wanted to I just didnt know if it was planned
mystic vale
Given the percentage of the gaming market able to read Japanese, it would be foolish not to, if they have the ability.
dry ember
Unfortunately there is no plan for further localizations
agile prism
Gotcha
restive solar
@viscid vale as you continue to play, you'll start to realize when boons are/are not important to your build. There are plenty of times when you can finish a run just fine and not even have all your basic slots filled
dry ember
Not that there won't be one, just that currently there is not one.
mystic vale
Are we looking at a gold copy this year?
Sorry, are we looking at a release this year?
restive solar
yes
mystic vale
Was using industry terms there, sorry. :p
dry ember
But apparently June update is not the last update
So we can expect October at the earliest?
viscid umbra
wow, I didn't know that you could lose the chest rewards, I did a chest that was at the side of the door for the next room on tartarus and pressed E twice cause I always do and lost those 70 gems
hazy yacht
regarding the discussion earlier about picking up unnecessary boons, remember that epic, heroic, legendary and duo boons are worth a lot of money
dry ember
Oh yeah haha
restive solar
^^^ yes
odd quarry
I may also add, with purse > God > God > Skelly, sometimes this happens anyways: http://puu.sh/FM1HM/0207f5f819.jpg
dry ember
I picked high rarity but bad ones for sale
agile prism
Question: what do people think of this idea here. Should shield get reduced charge each time it blocks until it breaks the charge?
hazy yacht
if you get a duo boon that you don't need, grab it anyway, it's 425 coins in the bank
no
restive solar
exactly
restive solar
some of the duo boons are garbage tier and are just free cash
mystic vale
I usually don't get enough boons.
dry ember
Underworld Custom also warrants a large boon pool
hazy yacht
most of my runs have 3 columns of boons
turbid needle
You mean diminishing returns on how much damage you can block?
raw violet
the fact that you have people who don't think that GT is a no brainer pick means it doesn't need a nerf
mystic vale
@agile prism I disagree. The drawback of the shield is relying too much on it and making yourself worse with other weapons. It's self-policing, so to speak.
dry ember
Agree krasher
hazy yacht
I don't think the shield moveset needs any nerf
raw violet
strong, sure
dry ember
GT is good
raw violet
there's nothing wrong with strong
agile prism
I think that in rooms where there are the suicide chariots for example though you can just block them all without punishment
raw violet
especially in a single player game
dry ember
By DP isn't bad
dry ember
Flame wheels
restive solar
I once had to face cloning, teleporting suicide chariots
dry ember
They have name you know
hazy yacht
it's ok if shield is a defensively strong option... it's a shield after all
sudden dagger
Incontinentia
mystic vale
Right, but if you don't have a good Flamewheel technique when you're not using the shield, relying on the shield will just screw up your other runs.
agile prism
I know I just always call them suicide chariots XD
Flame wheels though sounds cooler
hazy yacht
its moveset isn't too great offensively, it's just that cast boons equalize everything
dry ember
Just dash through any obstacles
restive solar
shield is a fantastic offensive option
hazy yacht
turbid needle
It is.
agile prism
Well if you take Zeus' Shield you can throw shield while charging attack
hazy yacht
idk about that... it has "good enough" offensive options
turbid needle
No, it's got great options.
dry ember
It's OK to have a crutch in single player game
raw violet
great dps, yes, insane is arguable
dry ember
Shield rail
hazy yacht
I'm not saying sheild is bad by any means
mystic vale
It's probably the best DS weapon, a good caster option, and the Flourish is one of the best debuff appliers in the game.
hazy yacht
it's just hard to access its damage potential
dry ember
Doesn't matter
mystic vale
Anyhow, I'm off to go do my adulting now.
restive solar
Each whack of the shield does way more damage than you'd expect
mystic vale
See y'all in six hours or so.
agile prism
@mystic vale have fun adulting, im avoiding that by being here
restive solar
and it is super easy to boost that by wall slamming
hazy yacht
its base damage is 55, isn't it?
turbid needle
No.
raw violet
if the shield had insane dps potential, it would be the go-to for speedruns
and that is, in fact, not true
agile prism
Btw I am having problem understanding the best way to use Guan Yu. When do you spin to win and when do you use your attacks and special
turbid needle
It's not slow, either.
agile prism
Especially against bosses
hazy yacht
it has a lot of recovery time after each move
unless you can wall pin... but you can bully anything with any weapon by wall pinning
raw violet
nothing is slow if you build it right
mighty ermine
bull rush-dash strike-special chaining is very fast and very effective damage-wise on many builds
hazy yacht
that's still slow due to the charge on the bull rush and the recovery time on the special
agile prism
Unless you get faster charge
hazy yacht
compared to other weapons
raw violet
relatively, maybe, i can't comment on relative speed
hazy yacht
right... i mean, in a perfect storm, yes. but my statement was that it's harder to access good damage potential on shield
turbid needle
Its fastest playstyle (faster than almost anything in the game) is spamming alternating Attacks and Dash-Strikes.
That build follows all of the standard Deadly Strike/Heart Rend builds.
Pulverizing Blow and the Dash-Strike Hammer.
hazy yacht
if you got all these excellent synergistic boons on shield, they'd be even more effective offensively on another weapon
turbid needle
Like, some of them?
raw violet
fastest sword is special + dash
turbid needle
The shield also offers huge mobility on top of blocking, which is a busted mechanic that objectively elevates the shield above the other wewapons.
hazy yacht
it does have really good mobility
the sliding with shield is so fun if you can get the hang of it
raw violet
shield is a combination of bullrush+special
turbid needle
Attack + Dash is faster, not Special, and I'm aware, that's why I didn't say it was the fastest.
No it's not.
Chaos Aspect is.
Or I guess World Smasher.
Which people hate on, but it takes a small playstyle variation where you don't just turtle like you're playing Dark Souls.
raw violet
a lot of shield speedruns involving spamming regular special for the explosive return
all current sword speedruns is special-dash-dash repeated
dash according to how many dashes you have
agile prism
Sword with lifesteal is definitely a speedrun strat
raw violet
no, dash attack
raw violet
the special is to cover up the dash cooldown
agile prism
Is there a place where the fastest speedruns are posted
raw violet
also allows for full stun
dry ember
My second dash usually end up behind the enemy
turbid needle
Aim Assist or using mouse will let you dash behind enemies and still be attacking them.
dry ember
So I got Special DS into a miss DS and a shameful normal attack
raw violet
@agile prism https://www.speedrun.com/hades/full_game
raw violet
are you saying DI like directional influence?
agile prism
@raw violet thank you!
dry ember
Yeah
raw violet
this aint no smash discord
mighty ermine
huh, other than the top 6 i would've expected these to be faster
raw violet
but yes, you kind of do
dry ember
I don't even play Smash, just take it literally as Directional Input
But thanks.
I'll hook my boy Skelly up for some beating
raw violet
the top 6 are probably the only people who are regularly speedrunning (+submitting) this patch
agile prism
@mighty ermine considering the game is still pretty fresh im not surprised. People will find out more strats and stuff but it also doesnt have a massive following of speedrunners yet probably
unkempt pagoda
i'm still marveling at how the times only got shorter after the hydra skip was patched out
raw violet
the current hotness is the fresh file and all weapons runs
agile prism
Can someone explain the difference between in game and not. Is it just including times when the clock pauses as well?
agile prism
Yeah I love having that on. And the attention to detail that hermes comments on it is awesome
mighty ermine
@agile prism right, i was just mainly surprised because i wasn't expecting my PBs with each weapon to all be faster than no. 7 on any heat
agile prism
What about the rail makes it so much faster
agile prism
Gotchaaa....
raw violet
spreadfire + dash attack
turbid needle
AoE attack with high base damage and absolutely disgusting attack rate.
agile prism
Wait how do you get a 3 min time though... are the strats to skip to bosses?
unkempt pagoda
it's just that strong
turbid needle
That's in-game time, and no, they just burn down bosses that quickly.
raw violet
no boss skips
raw violet
it is seeded though
unkempt pagoda
with good seeds
raw violet
so there's a route
unkempt pagoda
but still, spread fire is incredibly over powered
turbid needle
Last I heard they were working on the route through Elysium.
I'm looking forward to it being reverted.
agile prism
Where do you find the seeds and stuff to speedrun. Or where can you put in the seeds
raw violet
haelian's run for sure was routed through elysium
unkempt pagoda
these times are possible because spread fire absolutely melts the game
true glen
wasn't there a hydra skip that got patched
agile prism
@raw violet thanks
restive solar
I saw that someone with 16 minutes was on the speedrun board
is 16 minutes competitive? I have a 16 minute run with sword
raw violet
depends on what you mean by competitive
will it get you on a low-activity leaderboard?
sure
restive solar
haha
raw violet
will you come close to beating current speedrunners?
mighty ermine
i think it's partly just plenty of people not bothering to record runs or submit them there
raw violet
probably not
mighty ermine
right, it's relatively low activity
restive solar
gotcha
raw violet
yeah
the any% are all seeded anyway, so i'm pretty sure most sub 10s will require you learning those routes
which might make new file and all weapons a little more enticing to those who don't want to get into seeding
maybe
mighty ermine
definitely yeah. my fastest times for various weapons around 11-12 mins are unseeded and it doesn't feel like they could get much better unless i was running a deliberate, seeded route
raw violet
yeah
or you just have to be really lucky with early artemis, hammer, and chaos boons
my fastest times are usually missing 1 of the three but they all start early in tartarus
another reason I never take golden touch
haha, topical
umbral lagoon
yes!
beat the game for the first time
i feel like i did nothing different from my previous runs
just got enough damage boosts
completely random build
mighty ermine
congrats!
agile prism
@umbral lagoon Congrats!!
agile prism
The first is always the hardest
umbral lagoon
👏 thanks for everyone who gave me some little pieces of advice!
agile prism
Task beat me to it haha
umbral lagoon
it helped quite a lot
mighty ermine
starting the game on hell mode isn't the easiest thing either, well done
umbral lagoon
this game reminds me a ton of an old game called zenonia
except random boons so
so it's like zenonia except with solomon's keep dynamics if anyone played iOS games
proven robin
Hey, congrats!
umbral lagoon
so yeah, kind of inherited the key mashing kek
ok now a question that wasn't relevant before (and hades youtubers didn't specify exactly but)
If I haven't gotten 6 Heat bounties yet, will I be unable to get 6 Heat bounties if I beat them on 7 Heat?
so basically you should increase your heat by precisely one at a time?
if you want the easiest path to farming bounties, ofc
tepid ridge
Yes, bounties are counted incrementally no matter how much higher you crank the heat. Beating 19 heat on a previously 7 heat weapon will get you the lv. 8 heat bounties permanently
umbral lagoon
wait wtf
you get all 8 at the same time?
wait i should have done this a long time ago wtf
so if i beat meg on 15 heat then i get 10 titan bloods?
tepid ridge
No, you get the level 8 bounties
umbral lagoon
ohhhh ok
tepid ridge
They aren’t cumulative or retroactive
umbral lagoon
sorry i totally misread it as eight bounties and not 8 heat
lool
thanks for the info!
i can't subtract 7 from 19
basically
tepid ridge
My poor phrasing I think. No prob!
hazy yacht
dry ember
Yeah that's the stuff
mystic vale
92 hours already. :x
mossy breach
Killing freeze is one of the best boons
turbid needle
Now do it with crits and Aspect of Hades.
mystic vale
Heat 3 Shield GO!
mighty ermine
yeah that's guan yu
umbral lagoon
ok who is this guy in elysium and why can't i give him nectar
i think this character's name is patroclus?
raw violet
i don't think you can give nectar to characters you meet the very first time
umbral lagoon
def used his death regen and attack bonus like 8 times already
probably haven't given nectar to achilles much
dry ember
He looked. That's how he got Patroclus me think.
agile prism
ahh gotcha
yeah itll take talking to him many times before you get nextar option
its like that with all the charaters, just do enough runs and eventually itll happen
raw violet
oh, it's been awhile since i've gone through that
umbral lagoon
never used the codex much pretty useful
agile prism
Codex tells all
dry ember
99% of the problems in this game can be solved by playing more of it.
agile prism
Its super helpful for knowing what you need to do with each of the characters
Facts
Also since certain character interactions take precedent or there are certain restrictions to progressing, it might take building a relation or talking with someone else first
I think talking to Achilles enough times after talking to patroclus will help. Since they are intertwined in greek mythology
raw violet
also intertwined, in-game
dry ember
Yeah.
raw violet
are you sure you're trying to gift him nectar before talking to him?
cause i swear it didn't take me that many runs to start gifting him anything
agile prism
I think it was around the 30 run mark for me that I finally started getting nectar option
is that the special heat seeks or the cast in arrows
eager scarab
Cast in arrows
agile prism
ok, so I like going Poseidon for cast since the attributes of the cast are in your attack
but bascially shoot normally and cast whenever you can
mystic vale
I think my R1 button is wearing out. :/
raw violet
dio cast + demeter for ice wine is a pretty powerful combo for hera bow
agile prism
I think damage scaling is related to your cast ability though and not basic attack
eager scarab
Does the dionysus cast still act as his lob? Or do they stick to the enemies and apply hangover?
agile prism
if you get the hammer that allows you to quickly spam arrows without reloading but reduces range too, you jsut spam r1 while shooting
no its in the arrow and on impact makes circle
raw violet
the arrow just immediately launches festive fog, no lob
eager scarab
Oooh that's nice
raw violet
i like poseidon cast but similar to blade rift, i think they're both worse on hera than something like poseidon sword
eager scarab
Could have demter on special for AOE chill
raw violet
cause a lot of the damage comes from the travel path
eager scarab
Poseidon sword seems best with artemis
Since she has that dislodge damage
Pair it with crits and extra cast shots and that seems like big damage
But I've never used it
dry ember
Thing is Trippy Shot doesn't lodge a bloodstone
raw violet
and hera bow sort of launches the cast inside of enemies and you lose a little bit
dry ember
And I don't like that
raw violet
poseidon sword with artemis is super strong, yeah
eager scarab
Thanks everyone
raw violet
that's why i prefer trippy shot on hera bow
eager scarab
Gonna do the run