h1-builds-and-combat

[mystic vale]

Only 9,155 more Darkness for Fated Persuasion 3. :p

6 deities one ability away from prophecy complete, and five duos.

[viscid vale]

failed my guan yu run

against a pink gem surrounded with the usual satyrs and rats, sah what a pleasure like we say in my country

i lost most of my DDs against Theseus who nearly swatted me like a bug

[mystic vale]

Alright, bow's up. Gonna try heat 0 with everything green but Gods' Pride. I want Stubborn Defiance/High Confidence checked off.

[viscid vale]

then i lost patience in a Styx room where I was like I'm gonna show you little **** annnd then i got crushed by an axe trap

[mystic vale]

Take the money pouch and hope for hammer up front again.

[viscid vale]

may the bow favor you

[mystic vale]

Take Dio for Asphodel if he hasn't shown up, get my Trippy Shot.

Actually, Heat 1. Furies will not make or break me.

[viscid vale]

but still, i'm not unsatisfied, i mean i won against Theseus and the bull with the spear, so, i'll improve for sure

[mystic vale]

Epic Phalanx shot? Okay Athena, I can dig it.

I'm guessing Lightning Phalanx doesn't work with Hera Bow though?

Doing the furies at 90 life is, uhm, hectic.

[viscid vale]

thug life chose you

[mystic vale]

Something did. High Confidence is very, ah....bracing.

All hail Dio and Premium Vintage!

[rotund wagon]

Talos aspect is basically Scorpion "get over here"

[umbral lagoon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/554057222926106628/711463752956117062/20200516232158_1.jpg

this is the run!

3 death defiances

hp-recovering sword

doom and aphrodite damage reduce

there's no way i could screw this up

i had no idea sword was so op

[rotund wagon]

you can bring up your boon menu + chamber count with B btw

[umbral lagoon]

yeah i forgot lol

[languid storm]

Hades crashing and completely breaking til I restart is annoying -_-

[umbral lagoon]

but those three are the most important

i spammed pomegranates on doom and damage reduce

[tepid ferry]

any tips for beating thesus and bull with spear? or should i use a different weapon

i came really close a couple times, killed one and had like 10-20% left on the other 😢

[turbid needle]

Every weapon is capable of beating the game, even on fairly extreme difficulties.

[languid storm]

Focus asterius down first, theseus' phase 2 is way worse, and you can pull asterius away pretty easily so you just have to dodge the throw

[turbid needle]

Focus Asterius first.

If you get lucky and you have a super monster build (it can happen with the spear), if you focus on Theseus you can kill both at the same time.

However, like I said, this requires basically a DPS race and that is not a common build.

[languid storm]

Yeah, unless you have crazy boons+synergies just kill the bull

[tepid ferry]

what would a good build be? i usually try to get improved special boons

kind of seems like although spear special is OP for killing normal monsters it sucks vs the bull

[mystic vale]

Okay, Explosive and Triple Shot. Maybe I won't screw this up.

[languid storm]

it depends on what you get really

Dio+Aphro is really good, Zeus+Poseidon is good

[rotund wagon]

You thought it was Demeter, but it was I, DIO

[languid storm]

Athena’s aid you can plug into just about anything

Is Dio DIO or Diavolo?

[rotund wagon]

too bad our Dio can't mess with time

[turbid needle]

Dio before he became DIO.

[languid storm]

Eh, anyone in trippy shot is probably struggling with time

[umbral lagoon]

I did it!

die theseus

[rotund wagon]

ok

Talos aspect can pull enemies behind cover

you can pull them into a trap/collum

nice Space

[mystic vale]

Theseus got rrrrrrrrrrrrrekt. As soon as he hit half, full blast Ares aid, followed by Battie.

[umbral lagoon]

burnt all 3 of my deaths cause i didn’t know i was supposed to fight like a coward

kek

[languid storm]

I had a perfect Hera Ice Wine build that I greeded on, ruined, and choked on the last boss

[rotund wagon]

early game, Talos fist, Athena or Artemis

[languid storm]

Hera+Ice Wine+ Black out
Ditched my drunken strike thinking I could snag another source of hangover and got shafted on all the boon rolls

Artemis hands down

[rotund wagon]

thank you mr syntax

[languid storm]

Crit is really good on all malphon set ups because of how often you swing, athena gets you either deflect on dash/aid

[mystic vale]

Yay! Divine Protection and Lightning Phalanx!

[umbral lagoon]

welp i died to lasers rip

got the fishing rod!

🆗

[dry ember]

Grats!

Now go get that huge catch

[mystic vale]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1018322170294824695/1D0704633ED11C4123716BB8CF8916888831944D/

Didn't even die. Divine Protection + a willingness to kite and play the long game = lol.

I didn't even get hit until 40% of the way through second phase. :x

Which works great with High Confidence.

[winged dew]

damn i cam here to ask for help with bow builds ive cleared with everything but bow

[rotund wagon]

which aspect?

[winged dew]

i dont have any but zageus

[spare owl]

I used athena and ares, empasis on athena for the deflect

[rotund wagon]

Dionysus/Aphrodite/Ares on special

Artemis works too

hell bow is the easiest weapon to build for

[winged dew]

yeah ive noticed that if i dont have athenas dash and at least an extra dash my chances of clearing go way down

[rotund wagon]

you can slap almost anything on it and it will work

[mystic vale]

Well, Athena/Zeus just did wonders for me.

[raw violet]

i would unlock hera bow and run a dio cast build, you don't need to upgrade the bow and that should get you through plenty of heat levels to get more titan bloods

[mystic vale]

Also, I have 11 bloods after fulfilling Dark Reflections.

1 point Hera is amazing.

You can take slow spells like Athena's and Dio's and make them fast-travelling powerhouses.

[winged dew]

i do have i think like one blood left

[raw violet]

the other bows don't shine as well without more blood investment

you could just do a speedrun style twin shot, zag crit bow

that would be your other option

[winged dew]

i tried zeus and going for special i was so sad to see that even point blank it only triggered one

[raw violet]

learn to do primarily dash attacks

[rotund wagon]

it trigger as much as you hit

[turbid needle]

Last I used standard Coronacht Special with Thunder Flourish it worked.

[raw violet]

no need for special

[rotund wagon]

what do you mean only once

[turbid needle]

It's with Chiron that it doesn't work.

[rotund wagon]

Chiron bow + zeus special is one of the brokest build ever

[turbid needle]

No it's not.

[winged dew]

iven if they got hit by like 4 arrow there was only one lightning damage

[raw violet]

probably not

[rotund wagon]

It does work

[turbid needle]

You get 2 or 3 lightning bolts per Special.

[rotund wagon]

did they patch that or something

[raw violet]

since zeus has internal cooldown

[turbid needle]

Months ago.

[rotund wagon]

damn

[turbid needle]

It's been gone for like 6 months, have you not used it in that time?

[raw violet]

zeus will work indirectly though

if you do poseidon special and sea storm

[turbid needle]

They broke that, too.

[rotund wagon]

dunno, I took a break shortly after the nighty night update drop

[narrow halo]

How can i get the new aspect of my weapons

?

[rotund wagon]

and I just came back yesterday

you fight

[winged dew]

usually my bow runs are actually ending in elysum

[rotund wagon]

you eventually will get blood when you get far enough

[raw violet]

sea storm worked for me on chiron

[narrow halo]

Dont tell me its from bosess i didnt get past the 3rd uet

[turbid needle]

They broke that combo, too.

[winged dew]

blood is in boss 1 and 4

[raw violet]

it worked for me last week when i tried it

[turbid needle]

Were you getting 7/11 lightning bolts every time?

[narrow halo]

So i need to fully upgrade my first aspect?

[naive tusk]

@narrow halo Unlock all weapons in the courtyard then do a run. After you return to the House, you will be able to unlock Aspects

[turbid needle]

You still get some lightning, but the full wave no longer generates lightning on every hit.

[raw violet]

maybe, hard to tell, it ran through everything so quickly

but i don't have a pre-patch comparison

[winged dew]

Also wanted to ask about the boon flowcharts ont he stickied post on reddit

havent been able to ever get dio nor aphros legendary

[naive tusk]

The outdated ones?

If they have the watermark with the info updated as of this patch, then they are updated

[winged dew]

ohh that may explain
https://i.imgur.com/cIv07cc.jpg

[naive tusk]

Ah, that's updated alright

I have to ask because people on reddit have been spreading the outdated charts 😅

[winged dew]

so theoretically all i need for blackout is tripy shot?

[raw violet]

dio is confusing, but it requires trippy shot and a primary boon (attack, special, or dash)

maybe call?

[naive tusk]

So, what do you want to ask about them?

You need Trippy Shot + 1 of the six listed: Drunked Strike, Drunken Flourish, Dionysus' Aid, etc.

[winged dew]

ohh i didnt understand what the split colored arrow meant

[naive tusk]

After you get at least 2 of those, Black Out may appear later on.

Split colored arrow means you will need both boons where they originated

[dry ember]

Is there anyway to get Huge Catch reliably?

[winged dew]

oohhh so same for hunter intinct you need the call and something else

[naive tusk]

@dry ember Get both required boons while avoiding any knockback boons.

Fill core boon slots with other gods' boons.

[dry ember]

Avoiding knockback so other knockback related boons won't appear right?

[naive tusk]

Exactly!

[dry ember]

Knockback by itself won't exclude Huge Catch

Thank you!

[naive tusk]

You'll limit the pool dramatically if you do so. Anytime

[winged dew]

also another question is there any point to max out the hearts of any one that isn't in the companion list?

[rotund wagon]

future update my friend

[naive tusk]

Story purposes.

And love

[rotund wagon]

that too

[winged dew]

well yeah but like 20 nectars is a blood

[rotund wagon]

you can get blood by beating up shades

[dry ember]

What shades?

I usually get blood by climbing heat

[winged dew]

and that future proofing is a problem for the future update, but i guess the ! from biome 2 and 3 are rare enough they might be worth preeptitively leveling up

[rotund wagon]

those that get powered up by your heat?

you know?

the wretches of the underworld?

[dry ember]

Ok

[winged dew]

the middle managment heat makes blood farmable?

[rotund wagon]

ok my jokes is just making it worse

each level of heat gives you 2 blood if you beat the game

and each weapons track heat independently

[winged dew]

i still have a lot of trouble with hades so im usually stuck at 3/4

[dry ember]

I saw someone said this on the server: 99% of the problems you have in Hades can be done with simply playing the game.

Ok didn't mean it as a jab to you.

I was typing it as you commented.

[winged dew]

yeah but half an hour runs just to practice a single boss fight is kind of though on the irl

[rotund wagon]

I mean

Hades is just the game on hard mode

[dry ember]

You can turn on God mode

For practice purposes

You can turn it on and off as you please

So if you get to boss, turn it off.

[winged dew]

i thought you had to turn it off and on before starting the run

nice

[dry ember]

I'm fairly sure I toggled it on and off midrun

Could be wrong though. It was by accident. But I imagine it works exactly the way I said.

[winged dew]

ill test it out

[dry ember]

Good luck!

[winged dew]

and hopefully now ill be able to get the three legendaries im missing

[naive tusk]

Any other question you have about the charts, feel free to ask!

[winged dew]

i knowits not a lot but i already maxed their charms and still no legendary so i was begining to wonder if the flowchart was bad or something

[dry ember]

Since you are here, can I ask some clarification for Artemis legendary?

[winged dew]

is hunter instict also legendary or is the 3 crystals one the only one?

[dry ember]

The fastest route there is to get True Shot > Exit Wound > Fully Loaded?

Hunter Instinct is a "normal boon."

It has prerequisite

But not legendary

[winged dew]

i think the split arrow means you do need the dual shot

too

[dry ember]

You are right

That's a rough one to get lol

[winged dew]

yeah

[cunning urchin]

99% of the time people ask those questions, the answer is keep talking to everyone with a ! on their head or gift more nectar to people.
And do more runs.
@dry ember this? I said that in response to somebody who asked about progressing a certain quest, though.

[dry ember]

Yeah that's it

Good quote lol

I mean it applies to Titan Blood too

Just do more runs, albeit at higher heat, or different weapons

[cunning urchin]

Trading a few Ambrosia just to level up 1-2 aspects isn't a bad idea, either.

[dry ember]

15 key per Titan Blood is a steal

2 Titan Blood per Diamond is an absolute scam though

[cunning urchin]

Unlocking mirror talents comes before trading for Titan Blood, though.

[winged dew]

well its the equivalent in gems to 20 keys though

[dry ember]

I would still make that trade if I have enough.

[winged dew]

not much better unles you have better uses for gems

[dry ember]

But then again, I had all mirror talents unlocked when I had that trade first time

So yeah...

[winged dew]

BTW do the other gem upgrades after dusa lounge matter for any other quest stuff or are gems now slow blood?

[cunning urchin]

I'm always low on gems. Renovations are expensive.

[dry ember]

Gotta get dem rugs

And flowers

For night mom

[cunning urchin]

I have those. Still quite a lot to buy, though.

[winged dew]

ohh night mom likes renovations? thats good enough for me

[dry ember]

She has dialogue that says she appreciates the flowers

[winged dew]

which ones specifically like is there a point in the room ones other than the prophecy table and the lyre?

[hard berry]

the gem rooms still being like 8 gems when you get to stuff costing hundreds and thousands is a travesty

[dry ember]

But then again, every character has something to say for renovations

[hard berry]

Gotta pray for fish instead

[winged dew]

ohh but its not related to her quest?

[dry ember]

No I don't think so

[winged dew]

i read somewhere that she also has a quest

but i havent got it yet

[raw violet]

i wouldn't be in a rush to get Nyx's quest as it requires 8888 darkness to complete

[elfin ledge]

gem rooms kinda have to stay at low 5-10gems because of banker trades.

[winged dew]

jesus fuuuu

your bet bets are the extra chests, ive seen those get to 150

[hard berry]

chests or fish yeah

[winged dew]

as well as the styx fish that is also 150

but the fish isnt affected by the chaos or poseidon boons

[hard berry]

i wish the fishing boon wasnt legendary

by the time you get there's probably not that many more chances to fish

[cunning urchin]

I should spend my 17-or-so Titan Blood on a rail aspect or something.

[elfin ledge]

I save my blood for the 250gems trade, atleast until I finish all renovations

[timid sentinel]

quick question, how do I use ambrosia?

[hard berry]

build up relationships

[timid sentinel]

and then what?

[hard berry]

and then you'll be able to give it to them

only a handful of characters can actually take ambrosia from you rn I think

[timid sentinel]

so just max out nectar?

[winged dew]

then when you get to the lock youll get a quest and complete it

[timid sentinel]

oh, so if I have the lock I have the quest or?

[rotund wagon]

think about it like this, with a good old padlock you can't open it from across the room can you?

when you reach the lock, you will know about it

[rotund wagon]

my game crashed noooooo

I was having the run of my life

shotgun rail build, got to elysium with 500 coins and 3 defiance intact

[viscid vale]

YEAAA

ive done it

i brought the spear to the surface

||not its secret, tho||

ive done my first blade clear & spear clear

also ive finally earned plenty of resources due to prophecies, ive unlocked many aspects and decorations, so pretty happy, but still 0 sight of Aphrodites

i didn't find her once in like 4 or 5 runs

what are the odds

i'm using the mirror to change chamber rewards now, hope it'll work

[neon fiber]

I have maxed most relationships when it comes to nectar anyway and i still haven’t gifted aphro some nectar

Man i really need to go for her some day

[narrow rampart]

Hey uh, I saw somebody mentioning Freak Accident in #hades-feedback

I didn't even know that was a thing

What did it do before its removal?

[viscid vale]

Maybe she's angry at me to be the last god to be given nectar and she's hiding

Freak Accident, no idea

[turbid arch]

@narrow rampart Freak Accident is the old duo-boon between Zeus and Artemis. It made 20 Lightning Damage proc everytime you dealt critical damage against an enemy.

At least I think it was 20.

[viscid vale]

oh ok !

[turbid arch]

It has since then be replaced by Lightning Rod.

[neon fiber]

Freak accident seems more useful imo

[turbid arch]

I disagree.

Having played with both, I like Lightning Rod a lot more and it is much more consistently useful than Freak Accident ever was. The only "problem" it has now is that Stygian Soul does not leave any Cast Stones on the ground to proc it, so it just does not show up at all.

Which means that you are not able to be offered a useless boon, which is a good thing.

[lament coral]

I fail to see how the rod was ever good: in a cast build, you wanna collect the casts asap; in a non-cast build, you want your casts lodged in the enemy for extra damage

plus, you automatically collect casts by passing em, which means you'd have to actively avoid casts to get the most out of the rod

in addition, the rod is nullified by Hermes' Recall

[viscid vale]

the rod ?

[lament coral]

Lightning Rod, Zeus/Artemis duo

[viscid vale]

oh sorry i didn't follow

lol

i admire how the devs did manage to adapt some boons and other stuff to different playstyles but there are some gaps still, i mean for example i've yet to understand how poseidons aspect works when you 've got the 3 seconds regen for the cast

[lament coral]

it doesn't

[shrewd brook]

poseidon's aspect gives 50% cast damage

[lament coral]

he's talking about the pop out part

[shrewd brook]

I know

[lament coral]

same way Hera doesn't work either

[shrewd brook]

Hera works actually

reduces regen cooldown to 1 second when maxed

[viscid vale]

Oh ! nice

[lament coral]

really?

[viscid vale]

i didn't know that

that's interesting

[shrewd brook]

yeah. I noticed this accidentally couple days ago

grabbed hermes and saw that he reduces cooldown from 1 second to 0.7

was like "wtf?"

[viscid vale]

noiice

that's a good cast build amirite

[lament coral]

being limited to 1 cast with it is a real downside tho

[shrewd brook]

genrally +casts is better than Stygian Soul

[lament coral]

you have to hit Chaos' extra casts

[shrewd brook]

but I was doing Aphro/Ares doom build so Stygian Soul was better for me

[viscid vale]

doom build is so nice

[primal sigil]

Do Hades green vases count as traps?

[lament coral]

yep

[shrewd brook]

Someone yesterday said that yes

[primal sigil]

Ok cool

[lament coral]

that why they do a ton of damage with the trap heat modifier

[primal sigil]

Just wanted to see if Trap damage reduction boons help in that fight

[lament coral]

and why Athena's trap boon counters em nicely

yep

[cunning urchin]

That one lures you like "Oh hey, look at me! I'm easy 1 heat!" and everything is fine and you make it to Hades and th—BOOM! You're dead.

[opal glade]

oh huh, that would have been useful to know they were considered traps literally last round lol

[sly sonnet]

I did 2 runs wwith trap damage on

And I regret both of those decisions

[opal glade]

i chose proud bearing over sure footed in one of the sack runs cause i didnt see anything better from athena

got killed by the damn pots at the last few blows with hades

[sly sonnet]

First time I lost 3 DDs on upgraded hydra by being in lava because I picked a ton of hermes speed

Second time I got one shot by a arrow trap

[opal glade]

winces

winces x2combo

i felt that in my soul

[sly sonnet]

Ever since then I avoid trap damage heat runs

[opal glade]

🇫 my dude

[sly sonnet]

Yup

[opal glade]

trap damage heat run + Athena sure-footed = profit???

[sly sonnet]

Maybe so

I never pick that boon

[opal glade]

i once took a chaos boon for +367% traps and forgot i had it and nearly got KO'd in tartarus 😂

[sly sonnet]

Oh god

Imagine 40 heat + like 3 chaos boons

[opal glade]

yeah it's definitely her most contextual boon

we play a god in this game but you'd actually have to be a god of games to run that holy heck

hah, i just had an idea for a meme-run

full heat on traps and see if i can get the trap chaos boon

then test if i can get one shot by the levels

[sly sonnet]

Yeah I was thinking that too

[cunning urchin]

Sure Footing is great.

[sly sonnet]

does the chaos boon give you more chances of seeing chaos ?

or just preventd damage

[flat brook]

grabbed hermes and saw that he reduces cooldown from 1 second to 0.7
that's a typo afaik

[opal glade]

the chaos keepsake just prevents damage

[flat brook]

the tooltip when you grab the boon is really low but if you check again later it's the correct 2.75/2.50/2.25s or something

[sly sonnet]

Yeah sad

[opal glade]

if you want to see chaos, get light of ixion

[sly sonnet]

What is that

[cunning urchin]

Sure Footing also extends the time you can stand on lava before taking damage by a lot.

[opal glade]

you can find it in those mini charon pools

[sly sonnet]

Oh thar thing

yeaah

[opal glade]

it's an item that you can buy with the coins

[sly sonnet]

I always save up money for the actual shops or if I need healing

[opal glade]

im about 70 runs in so tbh i only go for charon shops at the very region

dark regen (?) in the mirror gives you health for darkness

so i don't spend money on direct healing much anymore

another memerun im proud of but didn't get to fully pull off was Hermes/Ares, i call it the Sonic run

[mystic vale]

Alright, I put one point in Aspect of Poseidon so I can still fail a 0 heat sword run. :p

[shrewd brook]

get Artemis cast

[mystic vale]

Yep, still got wrecked. Can't do enough damage to one shot, and all the ranged Asphodel mobs wreck me when I'm busy trying to get stones back.

I would, at a minimum, need triple Artemis in Tartarus (True Shot, Dual Shot, Exit Wound) or Chaos bonus to cast/bloodstones to get anywhere with that build.

Sword: Still goddamn terrible.

[hazy yacht]

sword is one of my favorite weapons

artemis boon and either the rapid fire basic attack daedalus upgrade or the wave slash daedalus upgrade

[mystic vale]

Hahahaha like I lived long enough to get a hammer. :p

[hazy yacht]

ah

well you got some work to do then :p

[mystic vale]

I'm on heat 2/3 with most other weapons. :p

[hazy yacht]

that's good!

you can do it. sword doesn't suck. it just requires finer movement control and positioning than other weapons

it's the only weapon that has a daedalus upgrade that lets you recover HP on a hit

I take that upgrade every time... it's so good

recovers 2 HP every time you hit

[mossy breach]

malphon has hp on kill with special too

[hazy yacht]

true

[mystic vale]

And has the added bonus of not sucking.

[hazy yacht]

sword is pretty good.

[proven robin]

Sword is fine. I just suck at it.

[mystic vale]

I'm forced to conclude when I progress fine with every other weapon and even had a five win streak that the problem is the damn sword. :p

[lament coral]

yep

[proven robin]

I play fighting games. Just because I'm terrible at playing Zato-1 doesn't mean he's not an absolute monster.

[mystic vale]

The basic attack is slower than the fist with the same or shorter range, the special is less impressive, doesn't have continual attack, and all the combos (barring aspects/hammer) from boons that work for sword work better for fist.

[proven robin]

Some strategies require such divergent things to pay attention to that they seem deficient when they mostly require different ways of looking at them.

[lament coral]

melee just sucks. Step into Erebus to see why.

[mystic vale]

I lose lives/runs with swords as early as Asphodel. Every other weapon I at least make it to Styx every time.

Oh, and the dash-strike is way slower than Fist. :/

Which keeps getting me killed.

[hazy yacht]

it has pretty long range, though.

as far as dash attacks that aren't spear go.

[viscid vale]

I'm so tired but i finally, FINALLY met Aphrodite again and gifted her. I swear i was beginning to think it was a bug of some sort. The "change the chamber" perk and taking a distance gun helped

also i completed a run with sword, a different aspect, can't remember now, the one before Poseidon

Eris maybe

or not

[lament coral]

there actually is a bug preventing her lock from opening

[viscid vale]

oh shiz i would have gone crazy xD

[lament coral]

https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/521035166471159828/700037553474240603

[viscid vale]

actually, i gifted her and got the prophecy fulfilled, i saw it popping, so i think i got her affinity bar checked and got her keepsake allright

ill have to check to confirm

also i got soooo lucky

i was getting tired so i missed a few gold urns, i got angry at myself cause i really wanted to buy a diamond in the Styx room

and...finally it wasn't a diamond but a titan blood for 1500 coins and i was JUST able to buy it (thanks to the gold giving keepsake, from Charon i think)

[lament coral]

Hypnos, actually, if you're talking about the bag

Charon gives you the skull

[viscid vale]

oh, maybe. My fav god at the moment. cause i feel so sleepy xD

yea you're right i remember now

[lament coral]

yeah, I just

[viscid vale]

about the sword, i find it not bad at all, but yea it's a different strategy from other weps. And i guess i have not made it yet to the hard parts, lol

i like the aspect of zag on the sword, you improve it and you get so fast

its basically the aspect of sonic

[mystic vale]

Oh good, I can rush to my death faster. :p

[viscid vale]

lmao

[mystic vale]

(Poseidon aspect feels like maybe if I crank it, it may do enough damage to be worthwhile. Just not sure I want to go all-in on a weapon I hate.)

[viscid vale]

i've got a really stupid question, but i can't find a lot of info on cosmetics...does the towel rack really do something to you or your hair when you get out of the blood pool ? or is it just a fun cosmetic to have around

i quite like Zag's shiny hair how it is, especially when he gets out of the pool, i bet Dusa and a few other ppl like it too, and i wouldn't want to deprive them of that pleasure

[mystic vale]

I would presume it gives your hair at least +2 fabulous, but I don't have it myself.

[grave compass]

First time on tight deadline sucks...
Ran out before id even beaten the bull and still had thesues to go

[viscid vale]

tight deadline...i'll never have it lol. My "fast" run so far is 50 minutes

[mystic vale]

I am probably never turning that on. :p

Yeah, 33 is my best. I spend way too much time dodging around waiting for a clear shot usually.

(Unless I get Divine Strike Malphon.)

[grave compass]

I can do it on most its just elysium

I was using the sword so flame wheel rooms were mostly running around waiting for them to explode

[mystic vale]

I find Tidal Dash acceptable for them.

[viscid vale]

i mean imagine being already deadly slow and having Hades taking a full minute of your time in a chamber with his 1 minute survival dare

[mystic vale]

Or if you have that +20% radius special from the hammer.

I think 4 or 5 minutes would be my fastest end boss kill.

I've got plenty of 1-3 minute deaths, though. :p

[viscid vale]

lool

the best times

what happens when you fail the deadline ?

[neon fiber]

you start taking tick damage iirc

[viscid vale]

ohww

[lament coral]

5 damage every second

[mystic vale]

Tick tick tick tick boom.

[lament coral]

so you can stretch it with your HP and DDs

[viscid vale]

can you stretch it far tho

[grave compass]

Yeah but its so annoying losing dd to tight deadline...

[mystic vale]

Could be worse. Could lose it to poison.

[lament coral]

well, if you have 300 HP and 3 DD, that's 300 + (150x3) = 750 HP

[grave compass]

I dont think i ever have 300hp aha

[lament coral]

750/5 = 150 seconds, or a bit under 3 minutes

[neon fiber]

magpie
have you heard the word of our lord and savior arthur aspect?

[viscid vale]

lets say 500 HP as a max, and then you're basically toast in 50 secs

ive yet to unlock it, don't spoil me

[grave compass]

But yeah it stretchea farther than expected

I didnt realise so played the rest of thesues really badly thinking it was over and once i realised it woulda been fine id messed up the rest of the run

[viscid vale]

well, do spoil me, but i won't understand

[grave compass]

Just think zag tank build

[viscid vale]

i've never been a tank in MMOs, but since i'm slow as a buffalo in Hades, i'll be a tank all right

[mystic vale]

Huh. Permanent record shows I've used Sword and Spear the most. 2 clears with Spear, 0 with Sword. :p

[viscid vale]

i love the permanent record !

ive used the sword the most and the least the spear / rail

[neon fiber]

Also speaking of weapons
Childhood is thinking the shield isn’t gonna be that good because it’s a defensive weapon
Adulthood is knowing that the shield is a really good offensive weapon
Enlightenment is realizing that it’s a really, really good defensive weapon

[viscid vale]

😂

and post-enlightenment is not needing it

[mystic vale]

Huh. 100 gemstones for a diamond is a thing at the wretched broker. I'd get excited but ATM the only thing left I need diamonds for is Infernal Gates.

[viscid vale]

shine bright like a diamond

the broker does have nice deals, in the middle of 6 or 7 scams per cycle

[grave compass]

They have some uses later on - but not the hardest to grind for

[mystic vale]

Yeah, I nectar'd quite a few up getting the gem/key/darkness/nectar buffs.

Having fun with Exagryph/Doom.

Tag with single bullet, watch triple digit damage a second later.

[viscid vale]

Exagryph is nice for a change

it plays quite differently...

[minor valve]

anyone enjoy making lists? no? just me then?...

1.) Artemis is definitely my favourite in terms of buffs, i favor her crit chance so much more then the others
2.) Aphrodite's Weak effect is extremely useful all-round. Extremely higher survivability with just a single boon.
3.) Hermes' dexterity is really something, including possible dodge chance and mobility to duck and weave through more then your fair share of attacks
4.) Ares' general damage buffs are good, Doom being very useful for brief hit and run styles.

However, all the rest feel very lacking. Poseidon especially.. i couldnt ever imagine picking him over anyone else

[proven robin]

Poseidon actually boosts damage by a lot!

And slamming people into traps and barriers can add a lot of incidental damage.

He also has an intermediate boon that inflicts the Rupture status effect on anyone that got shoved by his powered-up attacks, which can be very useful on enemies that move around a lot (aka...most enemies)

Zeus, meantime, works very well with weapons that have a lot of fast but weak attacks.

Athena...well, Divine Dash is my personal pick for best boon in the entire game, and being able to deflect projectiles is very helpful in many cases. She also has my personal favorite boost to Call.

All of them have their good stuff! Just gotta figure out how to work them.

[grave compass]

Another Artemis Cast Run...
Another lack of legendary...

Big said but another reminder of how broken unhealthy fixation can be
https://imgur.com/ay72Cdn

[minor valve]

yeah, all of them have their very useful nicha cases, i geuss my picks just say more about my preferences

[stuck lintel]

is it out of topic to share my twitch stream with hades runs? (I'm fairly new on this discord, maybe there's a better channel)

[cunning urchin]

I think Divine Dash is great, but it's very overrated by newer players. (I used to overrate it, too.)

@stuck lintel that would go into #self-promotion.

[stuck lintel]

oh didn't scroll that far! thanks!

[cunning urchin]

No problem. I only know because a mod told somebody else the other day.

[neon fiber]

the true n.1 dash is clearly posi

don't need to dodge enemy attacks if your enemies melt by being near you when you dash

[cunning urchin]

Dash is already invincible on its own. Divine Dash makes it even safer, of course; but it can be a lot stronger to be more aggressive with Tidal Dash or Hunter Dash—and using the dash to apply Weak can grant more tankiness than Divine Dash.

[neon fiber]

Yeah
Real talk divine dash is really good for when you’re learning the ropes
Once you’ve gotten the gist of the game you won’t need it as much unless you want to use Ares/Athena

[naive tusk]

As Skyrim’s shopkeepers like to say: “looking to protect yourself, or deal some damage?”. It comes to preferences.

[neon fiber]

In which case athena’s dash is probably one of the most solid ways to prematurely trigger your doom stacks

[misty flicker]

There are many situations where deflecting projectiles melts opponents, think tisiphone + hydra

Therefore it can be dps, also not having to worry about taking damage whilst closing the distance means you can be more aggressive, meaning more dps

[cunning urchin]

You can have Deflect on your attack, special, cast, or call. It doesn't need to be on dash to do that.

[misty flicker]

100% agree, I'm just offering benefits of having it on dash. It's nowhere near my favourite dash

[neon fiber]

It depends
Imo if you wanna play pingpong with ranged attacks you’re better off having it on your attack, since a well timed dash is equally as effective when it comes to defense like nyaanyaa mentioned before

Since the hydra and the furies love to send huge waves of projectiles and you can’t spam dashes as much as you can spam attacks

Athena’s call is also really good if you got a good offensive setup on everything else

[cunning urchin]

Speaking of that, after trying out all the Malphon aspects, I find Divine Strike is S+ on Zag Aspect Malphon, but maybe A or B only on the other Malphon aspects. The Lower attack speed really makes a big difference.

[neon fiber]

Athena’s greater call gives you a sizable amount of time when you can stop worrying about dodging and go all out with your offense

Oh yeah speaking of Malphon
Does Demeter Aspect have a longer hit chain?

[cunning urchin]

Hit chain?

[neon fiber]

Or just the regular 5-6 hit chain?

[tepid ridge]

For my money Pressure Points is the best boon in the game that’s easily attainable. It fits into any build and doesn’t take up one of the main “equip” slots. As for deflection, there’s a lot to be said for being able to deflect something while standing still instead of having to dash somewhere else for it.

[cunning urchin]

The regular attack combo is 5 hits on all aspects.

[neon fiber]

Yes.
Malphon has a 5-6 hit combo by default on attack

Damn

[minor valve]

5 hit i believe

world splitter on the sword though

[tepid ridge]

Yea which is why it’s a little strange to have it charge on 12 hits, or at least that’s what I’ve heard. I haven’t really noticed it when primarily dash striking

[minor valve]

yummy

[cunning urchin]

Fastest way to get the special buff is dash-strike > 5-hit combo > dash-strike > 5-hit combo > special > repeat.

[minor valve]

it includes the dashs trikes

you get double dash quite early

so its even easier

although

i dont see why anyone would use guan yu's spear

its just

too slow

[cunning urchin]

Divine Strike on Guan Yu makes a huge difference.

[neon fiber]

Guan yu is kinda clunky imo
Never gotten used to it
Heard you can get absurd numbers with it though

[cunning urchin]

With Divine Strike and Divine Dash you can quick spin (the dash version) > dash inside your spin > repeat and basically be immortal. Still good without Divine Dash, but there's a wider window where you can be hit.

Also not as safe without quick spin but still pretty good.

[neon fiber]

Wait it also affects the spin?

I didn’t know that

[naive tusk]

I never used that strategy but I could next time I pick Guan Yu

[cunning urchin]

But if you run into Elite brawler Longspears with Guan Yu, you're done.

[naive tusk]

Special time in that case 🎆

[cunning urchin]

I find even with that +400% armor damage on special, Guan Yu vs brawler enemies is a really bad time. The startup on that special is pretty slow.

And they don't get histunned.

[proven robin]

I think Poseidon can help get them killed on their own traps.

And if you have a quick spin, that will eventually damage even the shields.

[naive tusk]

Try attacking them from corners. The hit box from GY’s special is wide.

[mighty ermine]

while i do hate brawler longspears, i've done dash strike -> special weaving on them and didn't have many problems

[naive tusk]

Sometimes I do that behind cover if I think it’s dangerous to go in.

[mighty ermine]

kept mobile and did good consistent damage

[naive tusk]

Do a barrel roll~

[cunning urchin]

I had a pretty bad time when Hades summoned them anyway. But that might be due to everything else that's also going on in that fight.

[mighty ermine]

oof, yeah that's rough for sure

[cunning urchin]

I think his summons are also a lot more tanky by default?

[naive tusk]

He summons the grey versions so I’d say so.

[mighty ermine]

his super elite summons are for sure

the monochrome ones

yeah

[lament coral]

monochrome

[mighty ermine]

monochrome...?

[cunning urchin]

I've stopped taking Benefits Package altogether, actually. I don't think it's balanced at the moment.

[minor valve]

i wonder what kind of weapons

[naive tusk]

Monochrome

[minor valve]

are going to released again

[lament coral]

it's not impossible but it's definitely tough

[minor valve]

so far we have Sword>spear>shield>bow>fists>gun

[lament coral]

@naive tusk btw, I am an idiot, it doesn't matter which side Chaos DD is on since it's permanent, unlike Skely's

[cunning urchin]

I don't think any more weapons are planned? More aspects (4th for every weapon) and more boons, though.

[minor valve]

imagine hammers or axes

nunchuks

bruh

[lament coral]

yep, we're due 4 more 4th aspects

[minor valve]

nunchuks

sickle and chain

[naive tusk]

I was thinking what you meant when you answered me because it’s like you said, an extra “Zag” defiance with different icon 😅

[timid sentinel]

how do you get the 4th aspect for the sword?

[lament coral]

just a brain fart on my side. Probably why I couldn't stop thinking about it, cause I was wrong.

[minor valve]

oh yeah, are there 4th aspects for every weapon?

[lament coral]

planned, yes, released, only sword and spear

[minor valve]

swordd

need to figure out how to get sword aspect

[naive tusk]

@timid sentinel check pins in #h1-story-discussion

[lament coral]

I definitely think they should change the 4th aspect requirements

[cunning urchin]

it doesn't matter which side Chaos DD is on
Doesn't it matter, though, if you choose Stubborn Defiance? If it's to the right of the stubborn DD, it will be used before the stubborn DD?

[timid sentinel]

ah I see, ty

[lament coral]

@cunning urchin my understanding was that it's not refillable if you're using SD

[mighty ermine]

my biggest problem with unlocking the 4th aspects currently is that they can get massively backlogged behind other dialogue events, making you complete more runs than you would need, since you've already met the requirements but other events are taking priority

[lament coral]

so having it on the left would technically be a buff

[naive tusk]

Wouldn’t that be great for SD?

[cunning urchin]

Yeah, that's what I mean.

[lament coral]

well, SD sucks

[mighty ermine]

my situation irt with nyx and arthur got very extreme

[lament coral]

something so minor would really not change anything for it

[cunning urchin]

I've only seen Chaos DD once so far.

[naive tusk]

It’s something at least!

[lament coral]

I think I saw it 3 or 4 times in over 300 hours

[naive tusk]

It could be useful if you have 2 DD + Touch of Styx in FB. Almost the same as 3 DD.

[lament coral]

it doesn't help that the game doesn't tell you boon dependencies, though the fated boon reroll should help with it

that's a really big resource investment, having to take Skelly, not to mention the Chaos RNG

as opposed to just taking the 3 DD mirror talent

[naive tusk]

@mighty ermine It’s probably because we are playing in early access. After Nighty Night update, I found myself stalking Nyx for new dialogue. In a new save file, I guess it’s not as bad since you can start talking with her in the beginning to get the route going.

[mighty ermine]

oh for sure, i think so too

that's mostly why i said currently

[lament coral]

it's just silly that they have you unlock the spear to unlock the sword, which doesn't depend on the dialogue order

[tepid ridge]

I was complaining about the dialogue placement over in #hades-feedback

[lament coral]

it should just become available once you unlock the other 3 weapon aspects

[naive tusk]

Ironically, SD is used in extremely high heat runs or so I’ve heard

[mighty ermine]

woah really?

in all my 32 runs i never considered SD at all

would not wanna run it haha

[lament coral]

I dunno what's considered "extremely high heat", but I certainly did not use it in any of my 32 runs

[tepid ridge]

I think it should depend on titan blood investment or number of enemies slain. Those would be more tied to the weapons trusting you. I can see SD in that case but I just prefer the reliability of three slots

[naive tusk]

As in 50 heat runs 🔥

[lament coral]

I did a few sub 20 runs with it, saw that it was awful, and never touched it again

[mighty ermine]

yeah all my weapon runs for 32 were triple DD

[lament coral]

well, I can definitely see how it'd be useful at that level

then again, I also don't see anyone making it out of Asphodel with that much heat without abusing bugs or seeds

[mighty ermine]

the last time i saw something 50 heat completion related it was exactly that; heavy heavy seed and route planning

[naive tusk]

It be like that

[versed bloom]

You know I gotta wonder why the aspect of Arthur has +50 hp

It’d be the strongest aspect Stygius has without the health

[mighty ermine]

to help drive home its partial theme of being tanky in unison with the defensive aura

[dry ember]

It's very unwieldy

[versed bloom]

I guess but it’s still the best

[dry ember]

The delay before swing is almost bow level

[tepid ridge]

Tankiness and I think it would be only on par with Memesis and Poseidon aspects without the health. Both of those could output the damage necessary to equal Arthur without too much problem or like one boon. And they’d do it much faster than Arthur’s slower combo could

[dry ember]

Without the safety of range

[versed bloom]

Maybe they’ll find a way to bring it in line

Yeah but they require a good boon to get there, Arthur is powerful out of the box

[dry ember]

But so is Hera Bow

[versed bloom]

And given how boons work, adding damage by %, it has more potential

[mighty ermine]

i feel like its extra health and aura were also, in a way, a response to many players complaining about the sword feeling too risky with very little in the way of damage mitigation or spacing

[dry ember]

So is Poseidon

[mighty ermine]

so an option was provided to players who felt that way

[tepid ridge]

Yea but with a level of forced overtime I don’t think it would matter if the others needed a boon to equal Arthur’s starting damage, which isn’t a given. They could do it alone in a lot of cases

[versed bloom]

What’s one Arthur combo, 430?

I forget the damage on it

[tepid ridge]

Arthur combo

[versed bloom]

I just know the last swing is 200

Yeah it takes like a second and a half at most to execute

[tepid ridge]

No one’s saying Arthur’s damage isn’t good. But with forced overtime you could be hit like 2-4 times in that timeframe

[versed bloom]

That goes for any weapon

And you don’t need to stand still to complete it

Remember that the combo persists through dashes

[tepid ridge]

I just don’t think that warrants removing the HP bonus

[mighty ermine]

to be fair, nemesis and poseidon can reach similar levels of damage output with not much investment, and just through different avenues

[turbid needle]

Well, they both use Artemis and/or Aphrodite.

[mighty ermine]

very true

[vestal patrol]

So, I've been upping my pact game recently, and I started doing the pact where each miniboss has an extra addition

Is it just me, or does the gorgon/stone head miniboss get MUCH stronger?

(And not like "oh hey its a small buff", more like "we armed this thing with tactical nukes")

[naive tusk]

That's the main reason I don't play with Middle Management anymore. I hate dealing with those...

[turbid needle]

The teleportation can be rough.

[unkempt pagoda]

it's good practice for ||when hades summons a megagorgon||

[vestal patrol]

Its weird, because the death barge doesnt seem to have any buff at all

not got to that point onyx

[turbid needle]

Especially since the Megagorgon is guaranteed to teleport at the beginning of the fight.

[unkempt pagoda]

death barge gets more enemies per wave

[vestal patrol]

ah, fair

even still

[turbid needle]

Yeah, like 2-3x more enemies.

[vestal patrol]

I dunno if its just me, but even with the upgrade the death barge is a doddle

[unkempt pagoda]

death barge used to get a lot more per wave on MM, but it was nerfed

[vestal patrol]

Maybe i just need to learn the upgraded gorgon fight a bit better, but its currently the hardest fight in the game for me

[unkempt pagoda]

you should, actually

the game does a good job of teaching its bosses through regular enemies

[vestal patrol]

I understand the principle of how to defeat it

but like... running around trying to hit a teleporting gorgon that paralyses you with my sword

while a big stone head repeatedly smashes me

[unkempt pagoda]

pay attention to how you learn to fight the mm skullcrusher and it'll help out in the long run

[vestal patrol]

mm?

[naive tusk]

Middle Management acronym

[vestal patrol]

ah ok

[dry ember]

Ahhhhh

I got offered Thunder flourish Epic and Cold fusions

I do need a special buff since chaos shield

Nooo

Also a storm lightning for potential legendary

I can't choose

:(

Can you get offered Duo boon twice?

[mighty ermine]

thunder flourish on chaos aspect shield is absolutely bonkers

[vestal patrol]

I dont think you can get the same duo boon, but you can have multiple duo boons

I had a run earlier where I had Festive fog = lightning, and dropped casts = lightning

Everything died

[naive tusk]

@dry ember If you meant getting offered said Duo boon again in a future boon selection screen, then yes, you can.

[vestal patrol]

The mirror upgrade for rerolling offers is really nice for getting duos

I feel like its a much stronger mirror than the rerolling doors, ymmv

[turbid needle]

I got burned on a few too many runs where I just never got the necessary Olympian spawns even trying to push what the seed was offering or the rerolls were either pure busts or they didn't give me what I needed.

[dry ember]

Thunder Flourish it is then

[turbid needle]

Like when the game didn't reroll properly and you would have a bunch of useless Rare boons and rerolling them would just drop them all to Common.

I'm still hearing that happens sometimes and it's kept me from trying it again.

[proven robin]

Yeah, I turned Middle Management off because of that freaking Gigagorgon head.

[versed bloom]

Question

[vestal patrol]

Answer

[versed bloom]

Of the trinkets with combat relevant passives - myrmidon bracer, spear tip, the Orpheus trinket, etc - do any of them have visible indicators for their effects

Like does the spear tip tell you when it’s ready, or what area is more sturdy with the bracer

[proven robin]

The spear tip has a little clock thingy like your bloodstone Casts.

But aside from that it does not have an indicator of when it's ready to activate again.

[vestal patrol]

The bracer I believe shows the damage reduction on the hit you take

like instead of say -10 itll say (shield icon)-7

[versed bloom]

Yeah but it doesn’t tell you where it’s going to protect you from

It only says if it did a thing

[vestal patrol]

Not afaik

The game isnt always great at indicating what things do tbh

[tepid ridge]

Orpheus’ Distant Memory does’t have any indicator other than higher damage numbers I don’t think lol. The countdown on the spear appears under it on the boon menu. Thanks for reminding me about that @proven robin

[proven robin]

No prob!

[vestal patrol]

Btw, does anyone know if the sword upgrade "double dash attack" works with Arthur aspect? Im not sure if I wasnt seeing it properly of it if its wonky atm

[lament coral]

it's instant

[vestal patrol]

I was trying to use it with a dash attack on my third swing and i dont think i saw a damage increase

But I may have just missed it

[cunning urchin]

I think the damage reduction arc for the Myrmidon Bracer is about the same as the block arc for the shield. So it's very lenient.

[vestal patrol]

Another question: does anyone know if damage reduction percentage is multiplicative or additive?

[cunning urchin]

Multiplicative.

[vestal patrol]

Makes sense

I want 100% DR 😦

[cunning urchin]

The effect of Broken Resolve is added to the effect of Weak. Everything else is multiplicative.

[vestal patrol]

Another followup: whats everyones opinions of revenge damage boons? Its hard to work out how much work theyre doing

[cunning urchin]

So Weak is 30% damage reduction. Weak + Epic Broken Resolve would be 45% damage reduction.

[vestal patrol]

Cool, ta nyaanyaa

[cunning urchin]

I mostly ignore revenge boons except for sometimes Holy Shield and Wave of Despair.

[turbid arch]

I take Ares' Boon because so many of his boons are just bad.

[proven robin]

I just tested the double dash attack on Arthur. It works, but unsure on if it works with the regular attacks (since you can dash before they come out).

Pretty sure not.

Also, I'll experiment with revenge damage, mostly because I'm intrigued by the Ares/Zeus Duo.

Seems fun.

[vestal patrol]

I had one run where I had like 3 revenge effects + the boon that made revenge trigger intermittently

it seemed really underwhelming tbh

[proven robin]

I had the same initial impression of Lightning Phalanx, but I got turned right around when I started paying attention to it.

So I guess I'll see.

[vestal patrol]

Yeah

Its hard to see how much work boons are actualyl doing sometimes

Whats the deal with Lightning Phalanx? Im still at the stage where it seems a bit meh

[hazy yacht]

zeus has the best revenge boon imo

it just instant kills multi-hit enemies like the laser statues in styx

[proven robin]

Lightning Phalanx is pretty good against single enemies, but it shines against tightly-packed groups.

Think of it as supercharged chain lightning that can hit enemies multiple times.

Stack it with multiple casts and it can do loads of damage and crush entire groups.

And of course if they're casters with lots of projectiles...

[mystic vale]

waits for Malphon to get Aspect of the North Star.

[lethal tangle]

I have really been liking all the zeus boons

When you get those ad filled rooms you can just obliterate them so fast

[cunning urchin]

Goku Aspect.

"Your Special becomes Kamehameha."

[mystic vale]

Ha.

As much as I enjoy Fated Persuasion and rerolling wells and boons, I think I'm ultimately going to end up with the room changer. Few things are as annoying early on as a forced gemstone room.

[viscid vale]

yea

[mighty ermine]

i mean, you can only reroll gems into other blue laurel rewards like darkness or keys though

[mystic vale]

Darkness is maxHP though.

[mighty ermine]

indeed it is

[mystic vale]

That's at least useful to the run.

[viscid vale]

dyou prefer the epic boom perk or the more boon / hammer chambers perk ?

[mystic vale]

I'm running epic.

Also, is it "more" hammers? I was pretty sure those were 2 no matter what.

[viscid vale]

darkness is good for max HP indeed but otherwise it's not exciting

[mighty ermine]

they mean gold laurel rooms

[neon fiber]

ORA aspect malphon when

[mighty ermine]

which hammers are a part of

not more total hammers

[mystic vale]

Right, so it comes sooner maybe.

But still.

Do a lot of Guan Yu people take Nourished Soul? I assume that offsets the penalty some.

I ❤️ Hunter Dash/Divine Strike Malphon.

Couple of good Chaos gates and this is a done deal.

[cunning urchin]

Any improved restoration, max HP increase, and damage reduction is good on Guan Yu.

And good in general.

[mystic vale]

Just unlocked it myself. Had 11 bloods laying around so it's L3. When I get the other four, I'll try it.

I tested it on Skelly some. Demeter will be good with it in general.

She has highish % damage for the skewer and chill will multihit on the spin-throw.

[cunning urchin]

You can try it at Lv.3 on low heat. I think that's fine.

[mighty ermine]

i'm not sure if nourished soul directly affects the spin heal on guan yu, considering you can't get it anywhere near +100% improved restoration, which would make the heal ticks finally go from 1 to 2

[mystic vale]

Nourished Soul will just be icing on the cake.

The idea wasn't for the spin-throw's heal, just general healing.

[cunning urchin]

It doesn't affect the healing from the spin, no.

[mystic vale]

-50% from GY, +30% or more from NS.

Offset the penalty.

[mighty ermine]

guan yu doesn't particularly need boosted healing with its lower base health pool

[mystic vale]

I mean, it is called the Frost Fair Blade.

So I expected Demeter would be good with it anyhow

Got Breaching Cross on this run too. Dash Strike 4L.

[smoky wolf]

I'm playing a run right now with Guan Yu + Aphrodite and it's incredible so far. I just got Heartbreak Strike, Heartbreak Flourish and Rare Crop on them both

heaps of damage and weaken everything is perfect with a small health pool

Anybody know if Lasting Consequences affects the spin-throw healing on Guan Yu?

[mighty ermine]

it does not

[smoky wolf]

ahh, good to know

[mighty ermine]

it's free heat on guan yu essentially

[smoky wolf]

nice

[mighty ermine]

if you rely on spin heals

[smoky wolf]

darkness and spin heals for the most part

[naive tusk]

@smoky wolf Did you also get Rare Crop when you had no other boon to upgrade?

[flat brook]

-50% from GY, +30% or more from NS.
i believe guan yu reduces max health (and max health gain) by 50%, not healing

[mystic vale]

10 damage from Alecto. You go girl.

It looked like it reduced max HP upgrades.

Is that not so?

Ah, right, you need Aphrodite for that one.

[mighty ermine]

healing itself isn't considered a max health increase

[flat brook]

yup, base max health and max health gains (centaur hearts, chaos boons?)

[mighty ermine]

yeah

[mystic vale]

Still, Aphrodite/Demeter works perfectly for it.

[naive tusk]

Chaos boons are also affected, yes.

[mystic vale]

I assume it also indirectly reduces healing from Dark Regeneration, since it's still healing, just from another source.

[flat brook]

it's confusing how the two icons are very similar (for example life affirmation and nourished soul), but one is for max health and other is for healing

[mystic vale]

Yeah, I asked in #hades-feedback for one to have green on the left and the other green on the right.

[cunning urchin]

You have the Frost Fair Blade, but your life and healing are reduced.

[mystic vale]

It was unanimously upvoted, so it may happen.

(Of course, suggesting SGG PayPals us $1 every time we win would also probably get unanimously upvoted, but I don't think it would make it in. 😉 )

[flat brook]

so guan yu actually reduces health gain as well?

TIL

[mighty ermine]

thanks for clearing that up!

i guess i hadn't really thought about it in my GY runs because it didn't get to the point where i felt it was being a problem

but that totally makes sense

with the smaller health pool and all

[mystic vale]

Oh, and nectar is a blue laurel reward as well.

And almost always worth my time. RP aspects aside, it comes with randompom. :p

[flat brook]

yeah, nectar is great

[mighty ermine]

yep, nectar is great, especially early on if your first god granted you a boon you wanted and will run with

[flat brook]

instapick if theres one

[mystic vale]

So yeah, I think in the long run I'll be sticking with the room shuffler for fate dice.

[flat brook]

it takes one, maybe two runs of wasting all your persuasion die and get nothing to just stick with authority

[mighty ermine]

and to think, persuasion used to be even worse than it is now 😔

[flat brook]

when they buff persuasion to +5 starting die and no penalty for rerolling multiple times i'll consider running it

but at that point they'll probably fix authority shuffling between gold and poms forever so it'll still be better

[mighty ermine]

i haven't used persuasion in so long that i forgot about the penalty... gods

[mystic vale]

Usually I use Persuasion on someone in Elysium offering all commons, or trying to get a Leg/Duo I qualify for.

[raw violet]

if FP could reroll hammers, it would be a more convincing pick for certain runs

[flat brook]

even when trying to force builds like ice wine/scint feast that potentially have 2 duos and 3 legendaries, FA still gets me more just because i get more boons in the long run

[mighty ermine]

i really think the penalty on FP is unnecessary

for successive rerolls

[smoky wolf]

@naive tusk yeah I got Rare Crop as an option in Chamber 1 on my last run.

[cunning urchin]

Blue Laurel rerolls have really poor value unless you have Dark Regeneration and urgently need healing.

[mighty ermine]

gold laurels definitely have higher priority for authority rolls yeah

[raw violet]

FP as is seems to only trump FA if you're going for a speedrun crit build with chaos boons

[mystic vale]

Grumble lost a DD because Battie decided to aim at the already disintegrating Boneless instead of Lernie.

Ah well, I probably won't need it later right? :p

[unkempt pagoda]

on chambers with two blue laurel rooms, i know i could probably reroll into a nectar to get a +1 level

[cunning urchin]

You lost a DD because you got hit. Battie is innocent.

[stoic thicket]

I got my third completion today, with a really bad build. I'm slowly getting better at this.

[mystic vale]

Don't worry, you'll have to work long and hard to suck as badly as I do.

[mossy breach]

thats what godmode is for

[stoic thicket]

I have thus far steadfast refused to use god mode, that ain't happening.

[neon fiber]

atta boy

imo it's more satisfying without godmode

[stoic thicket]

What does it even do? Makes the game easier somehow, but how does it do that?

[mossy breach]

its just a damage reduction buff

[cunning urchin]

Nectar is a 1/3 chance and only at best worth 100 obol (quite a bit less on average because when you buy a pom, you can actually choose what boon to level). The value for Blue Laurel rerolls however is a lot better with Convenience Fee on 1 or 2 because obols are worth less, and 1 level up is worth more obols.

[mighty ermine]

godmode is handy for beginners to get the basics in a safer enviroment but yeah you'll definitely learn to just play better overall if you manage without it

[neon fiber]

godmode is basically videogame journalist difficulty a crutch for you to learn to play, iirc it gives you a damage reduction that scales to the amount of times you died

[mossy breach]

Im a godmode scrub. i'll remove it when im finished farming blood.

[mighty ermine]

it's a lot like celeste's assist mode in that it's a great addition for those who need it, but it deliberately isn't the baseline intended way the game is typically meant to be played

[neon fiber]

for shame

[cunning urchin]

Rerolling from Darkness into Gems or Keys and vice versa is mostly a loss (I think you can sometimes get lucky and get 2 keys, though?). The 1/3 chance for a Nectar only barely makes up for it.

[tepid ridge]

I like the middle ground that fared persuasion gives. I’m still rolling with the rooms the game generates but I’m messing with certain things within those rooms

[mystic vale]

TIL 59% extra enemies from Chaos in Elysium is not a joke.

I've seen double key in elite rooms.

[tepid ridge]

Also I don’t see anything wrong with god mode, I’m glad the devs put it in for people who just want to enjoy the story. @mystic vale all elite rooms give bonus rewards, so a elite rooms with keys will always be doubled

[mighty ermine]

chaos +x% more foes curses can make thanatos rooms get really silly

for example this one time i had a +76% and +74% at once https://puu.sh/FlGKh/43bc620b02.jpg

[mystic vale]

Hrrrm. Concentrated Knuckle or Rolling Knuckle?

[winged dew]

@cunning urchin but sometimes darkness and coins are gold laurels so you can reroll into boons

[unkempt pagoda]

1st or 2nd hammer?

[hazy yacht]

concentrated knuckle

[mystic vale]

2nd.

First was Breaching Cross.

Because screw armoured Flamewheels.

[unkempt pagoda]

concentrated imo

you can get the same effect of rolling just by dash striking normally

[hazy yacht]

almost always concentrated

it's so good

[mystic vale]

I'm mostly Dash-Striking so I didn't know if that countered as interrupting or not.

[mighty ermine]

@winged dew darkness isn't a gold laurel reward

[hazy yacht]

concentrated only cares about the time between strikes as far as i know

i can chain the buff quite high with epic hermes attack speed boon

usually ends up coming into play on the minotaur

[languid storm]

Whelp I just got shafted by an unexpected nonbo

Had the dodge boon on an Aegis run and the dodge triggered when I tried to block the pulse skulls so it didn't just disappear

[cunning urchin]

Concentrated Knuckle only works for the regular attack until the 5th and final hit in the combo. Any other attack will reset it.

[restive widget]

@mystic vale I just had a 60% increase of enemies in Elysium AND a 50hp reduction in HP.. think I lost two DD to about 8 Greatshields with the fists :S Luckily, Patroclus saved the day and my run 🙂

I also 3 (!) attack dmg increases from Chaos, too

also had*

[neon fiber]

Oh wow
That’s some beefy numbers if i’ve ever seen them

[languid storm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/536807176560312321/711665063408435261/Hades_00016.png

This is an interesting 4th chamber...

[cunning urchin]

Now get Rare Crop and Ice Wine.

[languid storm]

Ice wine was already the plan as I need the demeter legendary boon, so I was going to roll with her artifact for the next couple rounds

rare crop is aphro?

[cunning urchin]

Rare Crop is also Demeter.

[flat brook]

Meanwhile with me: get dio dash and trippy shot in the first 3 rooms. Proceed to get dio 5+ times and not get offered his legendary https://imgur.com/qe66OVS

[languid storm]

Right it's the boon upgrade one

[flat brook]

Although i got athena attack and ares special. Very next athena she was like "want sum duo?"

[mystic vale]

Bloody invincibility phases.

I should have had that.

[cunning urchin]

Hmm?

What killed you?

[mystic vale]

End boss. He was down to about 2%. Would have been dead but he invincible'd through the last part of my Call.

[stuck lintel]

he has 2 health bars though

[mystic vale]

...Yes, I know that.

[stuck lintel]

does he invicible during this P2?

I must have missed that

[raw violet]

halfway, yes

[mystic vale]

Yep. 66 and 33%.

On both phases.

[raw violet]

only half in P2

[mystic vale]

Is it? Hrm. Then he must have had some other damage mitigation. Is he invulnerable during the spin?

[stuck lintel]

the 66% 33% are to spawn ads in P1 for sure, I can't recall the 50% in P2 but you must remember better than me 😄

[mystic vale]

He stopped taking damage 'cause I was watching the lifebar. Demeter was wrecking him.

[languid storm]

he definitely 50's in P2

[mystic vale]

Unless she stops dealing damage before the animation stops?

[cunning urchin]

I've never noticed invincibility on his spin attack.

[proven robin]

What's Concentrated Knuckle do again?

I usually take Rolling if I don't wanna keep dodging about to do my combo.

[cunning urchin]

+5 flat damage for every consecutive hit in the regular 5-hit attack combo.

[proven robin]

Ahhh, yes.

That is pretty great. If you're good and fast enough on the buttons? Yeah, take that.

[mystic vale]

Still need Curse of Longing, Deadly Reversal, and Blizzard Shot...

[cunning urchin]

Best raw DPS hammer upgrade for Malphon.

[thin stratus]

Does the +5 per hit scale with % increase boons? Hard to tell mid run

[languid storm]

Malphon needs some kinda hammer option like "deal 10% reduced damage but you can attack continuously"

[mystic vale]

...?

[raw violet]

that's just rolling knuckle

without the negative

[unkempt pagoda]

the +5 is to the base damage i believe

[languid storm]

Does rolling knuckle let you attack continuously?

I haven't gotten it in a while

[raw violet]

yes

[mystic vale]

Yep. Even says so.

[languid storm]

oh okay

[mystic vale]

Oh, wait, no, it doesn't. You have to try it to find out.

[languid storm]

I've been spamming hera runs and trying to get Arthur to the surface

[mystic vale]

My memory isn't worth beans.

[raw violet]

i find rolling knuckle mostly redundant if you just dodge strike at the end of combos

[mystic vale]

Shield run, probably a good time for Deadly Reversal.

[languid storm]

yeah rolling knuckles the dash strike one

[unkempt pagoda]

i mean

[languid storm]

also super meh with dash striking already resetting timer

[cunning urchin]

Concentrated is flat damage. Sum of all flat damage is then multiplied by 1 + the sum of all +% damage.

[unkempt pagoda]

sometimes i get lazy about dash strike at the end of combos

[languid storm]

I thinking something like flurry slash but for malphon

[unkempt pagoda]

less pressure for my thumb to press space is a good thing

[raw violet]

but rolling knuckle and athena attack is great if you just want to hold attack through the entire game without thinking

[cunning urchin]

It's not meh. If dash-strike didn't reset Concentrated Knuckle, it would be broken. It's already very strong the way it is now.

[neon fiber]

Yeah
If you combo it with arthur fist chaos memery and an artemis attack boon you can get some serious numbers

Since the additional damage is also affected by the crit

[cunning urchin]

Rolling Knuckle lets you keep your dashes for actual evasion, and the dash-strike does +60% damage. I don't think it's redundant at all.

[raw violet]

"mostly redundant"

i'm using my dashes to attack and evade anyway

having to save dashes to evade is only something i really have to do in the hades fight

[proven robin]

Yep, Rolling Knuckle does that!

[raw violet]

i would rather pick long knuckle over rolling knuckle as it lets you evade with dash while maintaining range to actually attack

[hazy yacht]

man... this was a really good run. https://i.imgur.com/YAf18qn.jpg

zeus + poseidon is one of the most entertaining builds to run with

i had some ares sprinkled in but it was just the pure spam of zeus gauntlets with poseidon dashes

[stuck lintel]

||how do you unlocky aspect of arthur (on stygian blade)? I the aspect of guan yu seemingly randomly||

[cunning urchin]

Hmm. I'd probably take Long Knuckle over Rolling at 32 heat now. 20 and below, Rolling has been faster for me, though.

[unkempt pagoda]

mortaga, there are instructions in the pins of #h1-story-discussion

[stuck lintel]

||@unkempt pagoda lovely I'm at 4/5 upgrades 😄||

[raw violet]

i've also been really enjoying a merciful end build on fists so i'm spamming dash attacks for both priv status and doom procs

[turbid needle]

To my knowledge Rolling Knuckle does not increase the damage of your base Dash-Strike, only the specific combo.

But I should test that again.

[hazy yacht]

how do I get dusa to give me back my friggin ambrosia?

she seems to have forgotten all about it

[turbid needle]

Finish the romance and accept it back.

[hazy yacht]

hmm... I did, a long time ago. maybe I just skipped the dialogue option but I could swear I never got it. I wouldn't miss something like that.

[cunning urchin]

@turbid needle yes, that's correct. I was only talking about the dash-strike in that combo.

@raw violet interesting. I've been doing mostly Divine Strike + Hunter Dash + Deadly Reversal on Zag Aspect. That's quite fun.

[mystic vale]

Chaos Shield indeed makes Damage Control a joke.

[raw violet]

yeah, i was trying to get away from artemis builds cause i was getting tired of them

i found the merciful end dps build pretty comparable to crit without reliance on chaos

arguably more set up though

but athena attack makes fist super safe so i used that a lot when i was learning

[cunning urchin]

I kind of like Divine Strike + Passion Dash, but the Duo Boon is pretty weak.

[turbid needle]

That's just extra defense where it's not needed, considering Divine Strike and Malphon.

[unkempt pagoda]

hmm

[opal glade]

Divine strike + Crush shot is usually how id play if im running AA, id keep one of either dash or strike for damage dealing otherwise i feel i dont have enough dps

[unkempt pagoda]

i should test out spent spirit + arthur's aura

get some matrix moments going on

[raw violet]

i feel like the change in projectile speed would make me run dash into projectiles

mess with the timing

[cunning urchin]

Well, I'm used to stacking DR and such in MMORPGs to solo content on mage classes. So Divine Strike + Passion Dash looks fun to me lol. Passion Dash damage isn't terrible either.

[opal glade]

Thats fair

[cunning urchin]

i feel like the change in projectile speed would make me run dash into projectiles
That happens to me with Excalibur all the time lol.

[proven robin]

I feel like Arthur's aura and Spent Spirit would make for some wonderfully evil moves if you have Athena boost either Attack or Special.

[opal glade]

Im still pretty much a noob so i havent exhausted builds yet, might change my impression on it later

[unkempt pagoda]

def attack

getting all the projectiles in the last hit of the combo would feel so satisfying

[opal glade]

Hoh

The wading through molasses combo

[raw violet]

baseball run

[unkempt pagoda]

the volleyball game we all wanted

[proven robin]

Molasses Combo sounds nice and punchy.

[cunning urchin]

Spinning blade traps in Styx going through Excalibur's aura are 400x more deadly than at normal speed.

[turbid needle]

Oh, wow.

[proven robin]

I will agree with this.

(Divine Dash can help mitigate, but still)

[raw violet]

requesting minigame of pong with projectiles and only 3rd hit of arthur

[opal glade]

Forreals?

How does that work? Overall time extended?

Deflect dash volleyball

[unkempt pagoda]

3-4 hades witches at all times

survive 1 minute

[proven robin]

If Zag finally gets someone to play a board game with him, what ought it be?

[mossy breach]

Hades.

[unkempt pagoda]

i foresee a funny scene where he tries to get cerby to play

but cerb knocks the thing over

like an underworld disney sitcom

[cunning urchin]

Plot twist: one of Cerberus's heads is a chess grand master.

[proven robin]

Did backgammon originate in Greece?

[raw violet]

tic tac toe (called Terni Lapilli) is apparently an ancient greek board game

[opal glade]

It would be a lost opportunity if we didnt get to play tic tac toe on the stresslines of Hades' forehead

[raw violet]

backgammon is traced to ancient mesopotamia

Petteia is ancient greek and sounds like a combo of checkers and go

[proven robin]

Hm!

[glad island]

You can’t post image here?

[proven robin]

You cannot! Links are accepted, though.

[unkempt pagoda]

imgur, discord links, or steam links are the most common

[glad island]

https://imgur.com/57EQwLb

Big damage run right here