it certainly did for me
#h1-builds-and-combat
dense locust
mystic vale
TFW you're running around minus a defy, carrying over 200 obols, and the refresher refuses to show at shop after shop.
mystic vale
What's the protocol for contributing to Suggestions?
cunning urchin
Check the pins in #hades-feedback if you want to post feedback.
#hades-suggestions is only open temporarily when they ask for suggestions on specific areas of the game. #hades-feedback is for any general feedback.
If you desperately need a DD, it's a good idea to equip Athena's keepsake in the next biome. She has two boons that give you back one DD each.
mystic vale
Still haven't seen her in like ten runs. Been holding a nectar.
mystic vale
Hard not to love Heartbreak Strike.
cunning urchin
EM FO2 heroes feel genuinely impossible without extra dashes.
lethal crane
I'm experimenting with Ruthless Reflex lately
And either I play worse now due to a new keybind on dash, or indeed more dashes are required for FO2
It just doesn't feel like I dash less often, but I guess I do
1 dash can make or break the run
cunning urchin
I like Ruthless Reflex a lot, but EM FO2 Asterius's spin is too much with just one dash. Two dashes maybe cut it if you also get the +100% movement speed after dash.
I was somewhat unlucky with Hermes boons that run, admittedly.
I might just stick with Greater Reflex from here on out on higher heat. Less punishing when Hermes doesn't play nice, so more consistent.
cunning urchin
@loud flint you can tell them apart by their color, effect, and primary boons by their names (e.g. Heartbreak = Lady Aphrodite).
dense locust
Drunk off all this ice wine... Zeus aspect, stygian soul (chaos was a bro): https://imgur.com/zqXZkja
mossy breach
you can lvl up chaos boons?
torpid turret
They stack if they are the same
mossy breach
Isnt that a bit overkill anyway? with stygian dont they recharge before you can cast them all?
torpid turret
Yup
Never go under 5
I just wanted to get as many as I could for the memes
crappy video of it in action, forgot to record audio 😦
cunning urchin
He hits pretty hard with Hard Labor 4. Ow ow ow. https://imgur.com/a/oFddrXk
42.37% dodge chance, but I somehow got hit by what felt like every single spin.
flat brook
where's second wind when you most need it 
cunning urchin
Hmmm. The movement speed is nice, but the Lambent Plume from Elysium on only adds 40~50 effective HP per run.
The Old Spiked Collar adds at least 147 effective HP over 3 DDs, and Lucky Tooth adds at least 118.
With Malphon.
flat brook
myrmidon bracer is also nice, although not so much if you already have weak
cunning urchin
Myrmidon Bracer with just Malphon and base HP of 300 adds ~150 effective HP, but attacks to the back would hurt more negating a little bit of that.
How much base damage is Hades's spin attack?
60 or something?
If you avoid the low damage attacks and only get hit by that, I think Evergreen Acorn is actually the best tank keepsake.
flat brook
i think it's 40?
cunning urchin
Even if it's just 40 damage attacks that would hit you, negating 5 of those completely effectively adds 200 HP.
40 could be. I've been playing with Hard Labor for awhile, I think. So I wasn't sure.
lethal crane
@cunning urchin Double edged Excalibur, last room sack so pushed past the deadline but MADE IT!!! -- We tied again ;)
normal orbit
So... I've been to Elysium twice (to give you a sense of how far into the game I've gone, so I don't know) and I haven't encountered Demeter yet. I see nothing on the wiki about her being gated behind anything. Is that expected?
lethal crane
Also, +3 dashes with ruthless on Arthur is madness
@normal orbit - you'll get to her once you beat the game
lethal crane
Good luck!
neon fiber
you don't have to beat the game proper, just make it to the final boss
you can die to it and still get Demeter to pop
neon fiber
aye
slate obsidian
https://imgur.com/a/4Xc9Txk oh my... i had the most stressful run of my life
i just had horrible rng all around, got dio only twice, neither times did he give me his cast, only get poseidon, demeter and ares, all (I think?) awful on hera bow
lethal crane
and you got dio on attack
that's horrible 😦
to contrast that - i had the greatest run ever possibly
i'm chasing my last few legendary boons
athena being one
this was too easy
slate obsidian
nicee! i haven't got any legendaries yet
i got dio dash and attack as choices, the rest of his other stuff, it was so awful
lethal crane
1 more legendary boon to grab
god dang artemis
but his attack is pretty bad on the bow wouldn't you say?
since u attack slowly
relatively
slate obsidian
i mostly got carried by two hammers, twin shot and the one that makes you attack slower but more powerful hits (power shot??)
and i got demeter on special, i mostly kept the dio attack for the privileged status damage
and with twin shot stacking dio attack it wasn't... impossible?
lethal crane
explosive shot
slate obsidian
ahh that! thanks
lethal crane
it says it on your screenshot! 😄
slate obsidian
i am trying to delete it from my memory x)
slate obsidian
that was so stressful, i had so much hope when i saw dio on the styx room
but he gave me DASH
i was SO SAD that i didn't take it.
lethal crane
ok i think i need 1 more legendary boon and 1200 gems and i'm DONE with the game
i mean, collecting stuff in the game
slate obsidian
i took something else like bad influence or something, out of spite
lethal crane
pale roost
any tips for the 32 heat skelly thing?
slate obsidian
i'm slowly grinding my way up there, but i think the no cast run has put me in a state of despair
lethal crane
take a few hours
it keeps happening to me too
then i come back the next day or in 2-3 hours
FRESH
i mean this last run left me high, so i'm afraid to go for another
i wanna maintain that energy hahaha
slate obsidian
use the momentum to achieve greatness
stoic thicket
First kill... https://i.imgur.com/mjb7WGa.png
After 23 tries and four wipes on the big boy I'll take it.
slate obsidian
nice!! gj!!
charred eagle
👍 😜
stoic thicket
That Demeter (I think?) upgrade for the Cast where those things turn into turrets were absolutely friggin amazing in the end.
lethal crane
If you're good at positioning yourself it can be awesome
Or if you get the duo-boon for it with Artemis
neon fiber
long knuckle 2stronk
neon fiber
Also aphro/athena duo with dash is a pretty solid choice, ezpecially with extra dashes
Wait you can combine both?
I though they would cancel eachother
young gorge
they dont
I also thought they cancelled each other out?
But my ice wine also shoot lightning bolts
unkempt pagoda
ice wine and scintillating stack
unkempt pagoda
that’s what makes dem/zeus/dio such a great core
neon fiber
Huh
stoic thicket
So quick question. I just unlocked the heat stuffs and I get new bounties. If I, say, finish a bounty at Heat 1 while I hadn't get gotten the bounty for Heat 0, does it automatically complete as well or do I have to go through every single bounty with every weapon seperately?
neon fiber
yeah you'll have to do each one separately
i did heat 1 fists the other day but i still have not completed heat 0 with the same weapon for some reason so i still can claim the last reward for it if i complete it
stoic thicket
Probably makes more sense to do some of the heat ones first to get a bit of Titan's Blood for the guns. Even if I gett my behind kicked in Asphodel it should probably be worth it just to upgrade the weapons a bit.
mystic vale
Will this be moddable in the future?
unkempt pagoda
the game's already moddable, there's a few already
there's also a link to a hades modding server somewhere in #self-promotion
@mystic vale
cunning urchin
@neon fiber I'd actually take Breaching Cross or Concentrated Knuckle over Long Knuckle.
And probably Rolling Knuckle if I'm running Hunting Dash.
The range imo doesn't really matter too much, and the +20% damage is weaker than the other options.
neon fiber
Fair
cunning urchin
I think for Lightning Strike it's probably the best upgrade, though.
eternal oracle
https://imgur.com/a/XbDWfUm I had 8 older version runs I deleted before this but I'm proud and also tired haha
someone please tell me how to get keys though I'm starving here
cunning urchin
Just do more runs and go for key rooms when you see them.
naive tusk
Chamber rewards and fishing in Asphodel
cunning urchin
You'll have plenty of keys soon enough if you just keep playing.
mystic vale
Guessing there's no way to unspend Titan Bloods? Blitz Disc seems like a massive downgrade from original Aegis functionality. :/
eternal oracle
I accidently misclicked and just left the game as fast as I could, I do wish they had a refund button like for mirror
mystic vale
Good plan, that worked.
Why would I want to turn a fast, multi-target, long range attack into a slow, derpy one?
(Although TBH Aegis is really, really good as is. I'd actually suggest making the slow, derpy one default and Blitz Disc become the current default.)
tepid ridge
From what I’ve heard you can make aspect of Zeus really engaging to use by putting boon effects that benefit from stacking on it (upgraded doom, lightning, hangover, chill) and then dragging the shield through the room when you recall it.
lethal crane
@mystic vale - Blitz disc is nice if you put the right boon on it, anything that stacks or triggers per attack (chill / hangover / lightening)
And if you play it right you can make the shield run after you
so you control where it's headed
and you can always just send it towards walls and let it bounce around floating and damaging
meanwhile you can still attack, which you can't do with the original shield
visual dust
So is true shot ment to not crit when used with ||aspect of hera bow?||
have not seen it crit a single time when it just embeds in the target, only if I miss or something and it acts as normal
naive tusk
It can crit
tepid ridge
Yea it seems with Artemis if you get one crit you get a whole run full of ‘em but it’s suuuuper noticeable when you get bad rolls
Which is why I feel like her call is kind of a waste when it has to be charged to greater to be really good and her current boon prereq progression can’t afford spending a whole boon on a call and not trying to get her legendary.
visual dust
everything else crit just fine but direct hits with the bow and crit cast never worked lmao
however the crit attacks did
gonna assume it was a bug
spare zealot
Zeus is good on most things, damn. That flat damage doesn't sound great but when you remember that a ton of damage sources in the game are in the teens to twenties, thats about as strong as an aphro epic boon, and it chains
visual dust
Its like go zues hit a lot or go artemis and hit once really really hard
spare zealot
I think crit builds are a bit awkward. Ideally you use a fast weapon to stack up the crits but then you have low base damage so it's a bit eh
but if you go with a slower weapon, you need tons of crit chance
visual dust
the % dmg isn't to bad and if your going for specials its usually a 1/5 chance which also isnt that bad
formal basin
I used to not like shield. Didn't think it was all that good. My god was I wrong, lol.
cunning urchin
Attack speed doesn't matter for crit builds. What you want is another source of +% damage beyond what Artemis offers because that damage is multiplied by 3 when you crit. She benefits a lot more from other +% damage sources than the other Olympians.
Attack speed usually helps boons most that add flat damage on every attack like Lightning Strike or Support Fire.
visual dust
Attack speed is literally a dps multiplier on every build though
cunning urchin
Yeah, but fast attacks have low base damage generally. So +50% damage from Heartbreak Strike won't add as much damage as +10 damage from Lightning Strike.
visual dust
I ment for the actual boon of attack speed
cunning urchin
I think crit builds are a bit awkward. Ideally you use a fast weapon to stack up the crits but then you have low base damage so it's a bit eh
I was responding to that.
visual dust
Ah ye mb
cunning urchin
No worries.
visual dust
Crit is weird cause 1% crit is 3% effective dmg but also rng can say lol no
normal orbit
Can you unlock all Aspects of the weapons?
cunning urchin
Sword and spear have all 4 aspects now. The others only have 3 yet.
lethal crane
That feeling when
lethal crane
181
normal orbit
Sorry, what I meant is, if I keep playing, will I get enough Titans Blood to upgrade all of them? Or does choosing some things close me off from others?
visual dust
I feel like im gonna need like 500 to do that lmao
cunning urchin
You'll get enough.
lethal crane
Now if Zeus would be so kind as to let me finish his codex entry, and Artemis let me find her legendary boon, and I beat heat 32....I'll be complete.
normal orbit
Thank you!
lethal crane
I haven't unlocked all the aspects yet, but no rush on that since more will come
visual dust
Have you just been doing increasing heat on one weapon?
lethal crane
I mean, I unlocked all of them but didn't cap them
I have been increasing heat by 1 on each weapon at a time
Based on the darkness % bonus
cunning urchin
I had 103 escape attempts earlier, don't remember if that was before or after my 2 clears today.
lethal crane
If sword has 20% bonus I take sword at the current highest heat that gives me the bounties and same with shield and so on
visual dust
Ah yeah so your not just doing bounty per weapon per heat
I think if I used shield i could cheese my way to a high heat but don't think I've won with half the weapons ahah
cunning urchin
I just use what I feel like.
lethal crane
I'm leveling all weapons slowly, based on what the game gives me bonus with
Random choosing by the game
cunning urchin
If you can get to high heat with Aegis, you'll still learn things that will help you with the other weapons.
lethal crane
Here's one of my latest screenshots to explain
visual dust
I'm usually just way over agressive in the final fight, rarely die before then unless being a goof
visual dust
I honestly barely know any of the games attack patters as with half decent boons you can face roll any non boss lmao
cunning urchin
I just kept punching him taking pretty much every spin attack because it was faster than dodging lol. https://imgur.com/a/oFddrXk
Earlier today.
visual dust
Outplay the boss with numbers not skill
cunning urchin
+55 HP from Chaos and then one or two +50 HP chambers from Erebus.
Strategy is skill too.
I already gave him +80% damage. Maybe he should try harder. 
visual dust
I always just take the evergreen seed for him cause 5 attack blocks just seems better than like 22% dodge on lamnent plume
Need to get hit by 20 attacks for same effect ahah
cunning urchin
I just picked it after getting my core boons for the movement speed to clear faster lol.
visual dust
Gotta go zoom
cunning urchin
Was experimenting with Passion Dash that run. Normally I get Hunting Dash on Malphon.
cunning urchin
It adds more damage, but Passion Dash applies Weak consistently.
At 250 HP with Malphon, that effectively adds another 126 HP.
lethal crane
I usually get 30% plume if I go plume, but I like dodging...sadly it is multiplicative so can't get that sweet 100% dodge QQ
Need to level up all the keepsakes now I guess
My seed/spear are both level 1
cunning urchin
I already have 15% dodge from Malphon.
I'll probably start using something else, though. Late Plume isn't that much help anymore at higher heat. Need something to tank all that +100% damage.
lethal crane
I think plume or acorn would be best with +dmg
no?
the more you dodge/block the better for extra damage
cunning urchin
Acorn is the best tank keepsake if you can avoid low damage attacks so it only triggers on big hits.
lethal crane
If the dodge formula is indeed the 'basic' multiply version, you can get to like 60-70% chance to avoid being hit
that's a lot of damage avoidance
doesn't feel like the spin, or last boss for that matter, use the base formula though
he might have some anti-dodge buff
i don't feel like i dodge him as much as other things
turbid needle
What i can do with Blood Titan?
cunning urchin
I had 42% dodge chance that run, and it felt like I didn't dodge a single spin attack.
Titan Blood is used to upgrade weapon aspects and unlock new aspects.
Once you have all the weapons.
fallen mirage
How many spin attacks did you get hit by? 42% is a decent amount, but it's still low enough that I could see 4 or 5 hits before dodging one
turbid needle
hmmm, thanks
cunning urchin
I had 385 HP and 3 DDs and finished the fight with 144 HP and no DDs. So a lot lol.
lethal crane
i usually get hit by almost all of them, i think i dodge 1-2 when i 'cap' my dodge
its very weird
i wish we had real information on that
i mean, i know for a fact some mobs have armor or something for example
in elysium
so there's probably other statis
stats**
cunning urchin
I'd normally use Ruthless Reflex and didn't that run, so that's probably why it felt really low.
lethal crane
i hit some elysium mobs for maybe 50% of what i hit earlier
lunar blade
Just had my first fight against perseus. Holy crap, I hate shields
lethal crane
that shield is a real pain yea
as hypnos says 'did you try attacking from behind?' xD
hahaha
best troll ever
mighty ermine
a week back or so i recall someone saying that dodge chance isn't added together and the game simply does a check for each instance of dodge % chance. so if you have 15% from zag fists and an extra 30% from plume, it will roll the 15% and then the 30% if the 15 didn't pass for a dodge
of course i personally can't vouch for this being true, just repeating what i've seen
mighty ermine
right, that's how the calculation was explained
lunar blade
Dunno how to feel about it. But if more sources of dodge rate are added
It keeps it more balanced
cunning urchin
Yeah, it's multiplicative. That's why I had 42% and not 49.6%.
lunar blade
But how do you guys manage shielded foes. Especially when using a bow
mighty ermine
and thankfully 100% dodge will never happen haha
cunning urchin
Easy. I don't use the bow.
mighty ermine
i bait out their forward spin lunge
lunar blade
Cast away
lunar blade
Thats some high end gameplay mechanics
cunning urchin
I just dash strike a lot with Malphon.
lunar blade
I dunno if its there already but for shielded foes i thonk it would be fun if you could stagger them during an animation
cunning urchin
Until they go poof~.
lunar blade
And that giving a sma window to dash out damage
cunning urchin
That usually takes about 0.8 sec or something.
lunar blade
Nuff for me :3
lethal crane
Even if dodge is multiplicative - I can get myself up to 70% and still dodge less than 10% on the last boss
Didn't count, but it feels very much like the spin is near-undodgeable
15% fists / 45% hermes post call / 25% hermes / 30% plume
that's basically the cap without ruthless which is very short duration
71% dodge
add ruthless and you get 86%
I truly wonder if it's a useful stat more than a throwaway 1 boon
cunning urchin
I think it's quite possible it's legit undodgeable. I'll pay more attention next run.
cunning urchin
It still works on other attacks from him.
lethal crane
in which case dodge is weaksauce for me
yea
i know i dodge on that fight, but wonder if the spin is
maybe that's the catch
cunning urchin
Possible the dodge triggered on something else.
lethal crane
i think i dodged lazers actually
would be silly for lazers to be dodgeable but not spins
cunning urchin
I'm pretty sure you can dodge the urn traps in that fight. Not 100% sure, though.
lethal crane
might stop using the plume if that's true
think so too, that does hurt as well
do the traps count for the acorn?
the waves
or is it only melee/spin?
i might resolve to just using the bracer
seems to work best
bracer or skelly
cunning urchin
The skulls are his casts, I don't think they're considered traps.
mossy breach
If im not mistaken acorn hit counts every instance of damage taken on the arena, even the minions can remove it
cunning urchin
Bracer and Plume don't scale that great with other damage reduction.
lethal crane
Yea but 30% weak + 30% bracer will end up being 50% damage reduction or so
probably dont wanna stack more than that
if you got to like 40%+ before its not worth it
skelly and raw hp are probably best overall huh
from Cerberus
ofc the skull earring rocks for some builds
tepid ridge
I prefer the HP generally because it kinda buffs your remaining defiances
That or the broken spearpoint for the final floor overall
cunning urchin
200 HP + 3 DDs + 30% weak, the collar will add 177 effective HP.
lethal crane
i should test that sometime i guess
skelly is 130 in that case
all depends on the DDs and your total life i suppose
and if you got weak or something
cunning urchin
892 total effective HP with collar. 980 with bracer. Assuming 200 max HP, 3 DDs, and 30% Weak applied.
lethal crane
oh?
bracer beats that? nice
the more hp the better the bracer is i suppose
so usually i make the right choice taking that
cunning urchin
Maybe not if you get hit in the back.
tepid ridge
@odd bison sorry about that, figured it out. You could def use this thread to discuss stuff like fishing, that was what that other message meant 
pliant palm
Fishing... I'm still missing so many of those damn fish :c
Actually, checking the wiki, not missing any, but I'm defo missing some in-game
Weird
Unless I'm really dumb
tepid ridge
Chaos fish?
pliant palm
Gonna launch the game, 2sec
lethal crane
missing 1 fish
and the chaos fish codex aren't complete need 1 of each still
besides the 1 i'm missing which is from there i imagine
pliant palm
Missing those 3
So seems like the common and leg from Chaos
And the common from Asphodel ?
odd bison
When will I unlock fishing?
Also is there any way to tell what weapons I have gotten the Titan Blood/Diamonds with without going into a run ||(I don't have Pact of Punishment unlocked, yes I know that exists, looekd it up when I started cause I saw Hell Mode).||
pliant palm
Need to buy something from the House Contractor iirc
You can't before the pact, sadly
fallen mirage
Anyone know when Hermes first appears
proud storm
chaos laughs at you if you have the shield of chaos equipped and you hit yourself with one of their curses
rude
fallen mirage
Yeah but how many
Trying to figure out whether it's faster to farm 50 darkness or die 4 times and get Greatest Reflex
But supposedly it could be Asphodel run 5?
cunning urchin
My advice is just to try to get as far as you can each run.
Eventually you'll clear so fast, 50 Darkness is nothing because you get a whole lot more each run.
You get better Darkness rewards etc. the farther you get, too.
fallen mirage
Goal: I want to create a new file, and get second dash as quickly as possible.
Option A: Farm 50 darkness and then die and buy Greater Reflex
Option B: Die as quickly as possible until Hermes shows up, then pray for a Greatest Reflex from him
spare zealot
if you really want darkness, turn off heat and go for every chaos door you get
pliant palm
I"m really trying to remember, but can't you get Hermes as soon as you hit Asphodel for the 1st time ?
spare zealot
you might get massive darkness boons, which can net you thousands of darkness after an area boss
proud storm
hermes appears once you meet every olympian (save for demeter) at least once
spare zealot
oh, you're looking for just second dash
fallen mirage
Thank you @proud storm
urban void
with the shield you can charge the bullrush and throw your shield while it's charging so you're continually blocking while throwing the shield
is it meant to be like that?
it just has the charging light on you but the shield isn't there since it's being thrown
but you can still block
while spamming the special
dry ember
So I am having some trouble escaping. Am I supposed to have everything upgraded before succeeding?
I keep getting past Elysium and die to poison
primal plank
Well, you don't actually have to do so
Although is really hard not getting some stats up
Btw, pro tip: the yellow(?) fountains removes the poison
dry ember
Yeah I knew that. Although quick question, is there a limit on how many times you can use it?
I think I ran out of it once
naive tusk
It refreshes after a few seconds to use again
primal plank
I don't think so, it regenerates
cunning urchin
House contractor upgrades and mirror upgrades will help a lot.
primal plank
Is it possible to beat the game without a single reflection upgrade?
cunning urchin
Without mirror upgrades? Yeah, but that's gonna be hard.
earnest ravine
No mirror runs REALLY aren't that bad.
They're actually kinda fun. You just have, way less leeway on dodging things than normal unless Hermes bails you out.
dry ember
Is there a vid of someone trying that?
earnest ravine
Probably, yeah? I didn't record mine, since they're just fun challenge things I do to shake off the annoyance of bad runs.
nocturne radish
Hi can someone confirm for me
There is no "ending" for the game?
Just to see how far I can go till i die right?
earnest ravine
There's an "end" as in a final zone and boss, but there's no narrative conclusion right now.
fallen mirage
@cunning urchin @lethal crane you were talking about dodge chance on Hades right?
It looks like spin is undodgable
This guy is testing it now
untold vortex
best to put that link in #self-promotion ^_^
lethal crane
Thanks!
fallen mirage
Deleted the link. Basically he froze his HP and is just sitting in Hades fight. He has dodged every other type of attack multiple times, but has not dodged a single spin attack
nocturne radish
@earnest ravine So I will never see him make it to the surface?
earnest ravine
You technically get there, but the ending isn't written yet so we don't see what happens.
it does change things in the House in future attempts, and even reaching the final boss unlocks stuff for the next escape attampt.
earnest ravine
Yup!
cunning urchin
@fallen mirage thanks!
fallen mirage
No problem, it was a fun little test
torpid turret
This game is peak roguelite
cunning urchin
That's really good to know for sure. Makes evasion a lot less valuable.
torpid turret
Most roguelites I'd beat their final boss and throw away because I never felt like investing any more hours into it
But this game has hooked me for 250 hours now and I don't plan on stopping anytime soon
cunning urchin
@fallen mirage @lethal crane I'm curious now if it cuts through damage resistance too or if that works on it.
cunning urchin
I thought so too but wasn't entirely sure.
lethal crane
no +dmg heat
which is weird maybe
cuz i thought the base is 40
maybe i had more dmg reduction
fallen mirage
I should really start doing high heat runs, I have been doing exclusively fresh file runs for like 25 hours worth of game-time
primal plank
what does the clock-thingy means in the realtionship progress with Hades?
flat brook
means that they haven't implemented a progression yet, so you gotta wait for future patches
paper mountain
Got a question, I've beaten the last boss but I still haven't been prompted to do anything with Titan Bloods. When will I finally be "worthy"?
fallen mirage
I think you have to unlock all weapons?
paper mountain
I did that too
naive tusk
Have you spoken to Achilles?
paper mountain
He's...not here.
unkempt pagoda
unlock all the weapons then do a run
paper mountain
I'll do that, thanks.
unkempt pagoda
skelly will have a convo for you after
nocturne radish
so i want to confirm something here
weapons are just different playstyles?
or are they increasingly powerful?
unkempt pagoda
devs have said that they're equivalent to different classes
basically, different playstyles that get a lot more complex with the aspect system (and can get stronger through such)
nocturne radish
okay
cause i like heartseeker
i am a coward
and don't like dying
compared to Aegis
which is in your face
naive tusk
Those are shield users What?
paper mountain
shield gang shield gang
unkempt pagoda
spear 🤢
turbid needle
Shield is the best defensive weapon, not spear, bow, or rail.
paper mountain
im exaggerating
nocturne radish
also is spear bad?
nocturne radish
i really digging bow so far
naive tusk
All weapons are good
paper mountain
personally i really struggle with fists
i don't understand what it's asking you to do
pepper an enemy with damage then move to another one? i dont get what advantage it affords at the cost of standing stationary at melee range
nocturne radish
how do i get a role?
delicate nimbus
You can easily stack hangover or chill with fists
unkempt pagoda
none of the weapons are objectively bad
naive tusk
@nocturne radish Go to #bot-commands
unkempt pagoda
at this point, they're balanced enough that it's just a matter of individual preference and playstyle
nocturne radish
okay
unkempt pagoda
fist's main draw is its fast attacks that also stagger enemies
turbid needle
Malphon staggers unarmored enemies, and if you hold Attack to keep the combo going and then Dash across an enemy you will keep them staggered.
paper mountain
hm that's interesting
unkempt pagoda
special is also dope
turbid needle
You can kinda-sorta-not-really get a built-in Rolling Knuckle like that.
Aspect of Demeter is absolutely terrifying.
unkempt pagoda
^
paper mountain
cant wait for aspects
paper mountain
Yeah i really just wanna do nutty stuff with shield yeah i am looking forward to versatility and challenge
primal plank
fists are op
one of the best combos for me are Crit Knockes
Crit Knucles*
BIG CHONKS OF DAMAGE
its really fun
so its basically stunlocking while shredding the poor soul's health
mighty ermine
i looove fists, especially demeter aspect
my fastest time a while back used to be with crit fists, and now? it's zeus fists
primal plank
yea its pretty strong
like crit bow
or crit shield..
or..
i mean crit is broken fun anyway
turbid needle
I think I might like Zeus Fists more than Zeus Rail.
mighty ermine
same for sure
turbid needle
It's just... Ever since they massacred my boy, it hasn't been the same.
cunning urchin
I don't see how Deadly Strike would be any good on Malphon unless you get attack boons from Chaos. Divine Strike + Deadly Reversal though is great.
turbid needle
Yes, a Boon-and-Duo combo is better than just a singular boon.
Between Family Favorite and other Attack boons, Deadly Strike measures up.
You get more crits, plain and simple.
cunning urchin
Divine Strike alone should outdamage Deadly Strike at rare or higher.
turbid needle
Accounting for crits?
cunning urchin
Yes.
Common Deadly Strike has effectively the same multiplier as common Heartbreak Strike. But as the rarity goes up it falls further behind.
Because the base +% damage falls behind. But if you get other +% sources like chaos boons, it'll benefit a lot more from that than other attack boons, and I suspect can probably outdamage them at some point.
dry ember
What should I be looking for in term of boons for a crit build?
Ik Artemis is a no brainer
But what else?
nocturne radish
Is there a way to die less?
or make it harder to die?
I made it past Megara but the mobs got way harder
turbid needle
You can turn on God Mode, it has modulating difficulty and can be turned on or off instantly.
terse zephyr
where do i report a bug fellas
unkempt pagoda
f10 ingame
terse zephyr
thank you!
cunning urchin
@dry ember Hunter Dash is a must for crit attack builds imo because it scales so well with any crit attack boons. You'll want to focus on either Artemis + Lady Aphrodite or Artemis + Athena because their Duo Boons increase crit damage or crit chance respectively. Chaos boons that buff attack damage or dash-strike damage take priority.
naive tusk
I like how you refer to her as Lady Aphrodite 🌹
cunning urchin
Of course. :dusaHeart:
(Pretend I can afford Nitro.)
I don't think crit special builds work as well because you can't get that big bonus damage from Hunter Dash; but if you can get special damage boons from Chaos, the damage should be really good.
turbid needle
I only run crit Special on Demeter.
cunning urchin
Imo it's more like if you already have that special damage boon from Chaos, then take Deadly Flourish if you see it. But I wouldn't try to force my build the other way around.
turbid needle
To each their own.
cunning urchin
Deadly Flourish:
common: x1.96
rare: x2.128
epic: x2.408
heroic: x2.688
Heartbreak Flourish:
common: x1.8
rare: x2.04
epic: x2.44
heroic: x2.84
Very similar numbers.
Just using the lowest multipliers for each rarity on the wiki.
turbid needle
To each their own.
cunning urchin
I'm not arguing that. I'm simply interested in the numbers.
cunning urchin
Per se, Heartbreak Flourish is superior because it applies Weak on top of having practically the same DPS. But Heartbreak Flourish scales better with poms, Deadly Flourish scales better with tier 2 boons from their respective Goddess.
I suspect Deadly Flourish would end up winning in DPS when factoring in tier 2 boons.
west totem
The proper way to refer to gods are Lady aphrodite and QUEEN artemis
steep pewter
I stop refer to aphrodite "Lady" after she had objections about particular relationship. But yes, artemis is Queen what everyone deserve.
steep pewter
But you know, Everyone think Athena is Queen, yes? YES?
young gorge
Yes athena is queen but gets looked over by aphro and arti sigh
steep pewter
Personaly, I don't like aphrodite and with Athena had a good memories from the first runs in game - with her dash I first beat last Boss.
young gorge
yeah! same honestly, athena got me my first win and was my first legendary so I have a special place in my heart for her
athena's dash is still one of the bests and you can't change my mind
steep pewter
For safe runs yes, but for speedrun Artemis is far better.
mystic vale
I've still never had any Legendaries, but I've had three Heroics.
turbid arch
Athena has some of the best boons in the game
which is only overshadowed by the fact that she also has some of the worst boons in the game
which is only overshadowed by the fact that she has some pretty okay boons that she loves to offer you when you don't need them.
"Oh, hey, Zag, that's a nice set of three death defiances you got there! Let me offer you two more that you can't make use of properly! Athena Dash? You will never miss Athena Dash while looking at this honest to god amazing Sure Footing!"
weak rivet
Me, slamming the Sure Footing into my shopping bag and grumbling
visual dust
everyone knows skelly is the real god worth worshipping
turbid arch
With all that being said and done, the deflect mechanic is amazing. Flat extra damage on everything you do and you also get the deflected damage on top of everything else.
It was a real revelation when I learned that you can also deflect melee hits as well.
cunning urchin
Sure Footing is great.
mystic vale
I'd also like to submit that this Aphrodite is, out of all the video game depictions I've see, probably the prettiest without going to "clearly impossible" levels of flawlessness. Despite the fact that she's a goddess and has every right to possess an impossible standard of beauty, she just looks like a very pretty, but realistic mortal.
lavish gate
It was a real revelation when I learned that you can also deflect melee hits as well.
oh my god, this explains so much
neon fiber
yeah, some melee attacks can be deflected if they have some fancy effects coming out of em
west totem
Im just sayin artemis best grill
neon fiber
if it's just a regular bash like a numbskull charging at you then no, but if it's a swing that creates an aftereffect like Asterius' then it can be deflected
cunning urchin
Lady Aphrodite is flawless. What do you mean? Heathen! How dare you, blackguard! 🗡️
west totem
Lady Aphrodite is flawless. What do you mean? Heathen! How dare you, blackguard!
@cunning urchin https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/496042478760099853/708320219147403264/unknown.png
neon fiber
in all seriousness now that we're talking about gods, i'm kinda sad that some god combos don't have duos
poseidon has no duos with the gods i like
west totem
Id expected something with athena or zeus
like i dunno, knocked back enemies can deflect
west totem
artemis is just crit tho
neon fiber
and projectiles
torpid turret
west totem
the green arrows always block my screen
torpid turret
Going for largest sum of gold right now haha
neon fiber
plus artemis being just crit doesn't stop her from having plenty of good duos
cunning urchin
Your petty words cannot hurt me, unbeliever! Come, Dusa! Let's vanquish these fools! 
🗡️
west totem
So its confirmed that you cant buy the 1500 items?
neon fiber
also that's a whole lotta obol
torpid turret
I'll update with total after the run is done
west totem
Your petty words cannot hurt me, unbeliever! Come, Dusa! Let's vanquish these fools!
@cunning urchin https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/496042478760099853/708324934816104499/deepfried_1588948201706.png
west totem
Oh snap
Dusa's goin' ghost!
Dusa phantom
She can walk through walls, disappear and fly!
cunning urchin
If there's something strange in the underworld, who you're gonna call?
neon fiber
isn't she already a ghost by default though
west totem
phantom phantom
turbid arch
@neon fiber Pretty sure that can be deflected too.
You can also deflect the club swings of those wretched thugs.
cunning urchin
@fallen mirage @lethal crane can you perchance confirm if the Hydra's head slams and Theseus's spin attack can be dodged? I think they're undodgeable like Hades's spin. Probably some other attacks in the game, too. EM Asterius's spin, perhaps.
flat brook
I definitely remember dodging hydra slams
Theseus' spin as well, but i'm not 100% sure
cunning urchin
I'm very sure I've not seen a single head slam dodged with Malphon.
Are there two parts to the attack: head slam + shockwave? Or is it just one? Maybe one can be dodged and not the other. Or you dashed, saw "Dodged", and assumed it was the head slam you dodged, but it was actually something else.
flat brook
oh, i mean the shockwave, i didn't know there was a direct hit with the head
kindred bolt
why would you do a cash only run?
flat brook
but i've definitely dodged the shockwave, more than once
kindred bolt
what do you gain? you lose all money at the end, i dont understand
flat brook
think i'll do a full dodge run later to test these bosses
torpid turret
For fun
cunning urchin
I don't know if there is a direct hit. Was just a guess.
torpid turret
See how much I could earn in a run
kindred bolt
oh so just curiosity
kindred bolt
ive been thinking i need to go on some darkness arming runs, ive been stuck earning like 1k darkness in over 30 runs
torpid turret
Wasn't able to sell my attack boon by the final boss unfortunately
flat brook
technically you can get infinite money if you get meg, she spawns mobs indefinitely and they can drop obols
but your run looks more fun
torpid turret
I went in with no death defiance, that was a tough fight.
Shady was giving me 150 gold each time I used it
Regular pots like 50 gold
At one point I could buy poms and profit off it since I had no boons
This run took me over 3hrs lmao
cunning urchin
Now, once more on 32 heat!
torpid turret
Haha pass
kindred bolt
people's stats are scary, my fastest time is 22 minutes
torpid turret
I've done casts, now obols. Next is darkness
Should see a massive amount from final fight
Im estimating at least 4k
Idk why I picked fists for this run
It was awful
never again
gray lintel
cha ching
flat brook
how did you get an 8 minute rail run? when i tried "speedrunning" with spreadfire room 1, it still took me 11 minutes
gray lintel
getting short rail runs: have a seed RNG manipulated to get spread fire in the first room, then stack dash attacks to the moon
artemis attack, artemis dash, hermes extra dashes, just MOAR DASH 
flat brook
yeah, i had spreadfire at the first room and artemis dash, still only got 11 minutes 😦
but i guess it's still pretty good
but the 9 minute fist run is probably more impressive, and i'm curious now
weak rivet
HOW
torpid turret
A lot of routing
Rng manipulation
You can sub 10 without rng manips tho
Just take all free rooms and hope for good rng
Epic artemis attack and extra dashes from hermes is pretty important
I think my best was 8mins or so without any rng manips
If you're interested in speedrunning and learning to get faster times be sure to join the hades speedrunning discord
cunning urchin
I'm guessing Greater Reflex clears are faster than Ruthless?
lament coral
surprisingly, there's next to no difference
torpid turret
A new category was just added, all weapons, so all weapons are getting faster and faster times right now
It's slower in the any% run since we rely pretty heavily on dash attacks
cunning urchin
it's slower = ruthless is slower?
torpid turret
Yes
cunning urchin
What's any%?
raw violet
The speed running site isn’t updated is it?
torpid turret
The extra damage isnt really helpful since our dps is already insanely high
raw violet
Didn’t someone get a sub 1:55 all weapons run?
torpid turret
Just all weapons isnt up to date atm I believe
Since the runs that need to be verified are nearly 2hrs long lol
raw violet
Oh, there’s like...a process
torpid turret
@cunning urchin any heat
torpid turret
There's any heat, 32 heat, fresh file, all weapons, and a few meme categories
raw violet
You can’t
torpid turret
All weapons is an unseeded category
lament coral
ah, that explains 2 hours
raw violet
Everyone I’ve seen just seeds rail and then prays for 2 hours
Oh, maybe not
Just straight praying then
torpid turret
Yeah, none of the weapons are seeded
Otherwise we'd just be doing an any% run followed by other weapons. Thatd be kinda lame
It's a really fun category to run
raw violet
It’s fun to watch while I’m working
torpid turret
I hope to get a sub 2hr soon. Once I stop messing around with runs like that obol run hahah
raw violet
/neglecting my duties while playing Hades
torpid turret
Vorime is a beast
WR in all the main categories
I held the WR a few times but I couldn't keep up with him
mystic vale
It depends more on boons and hammers than anything. I like Aegis, but if you don't get some kind of damage upgrade, it takes forever to kill things with.
Actually I like pretty much everything but the sword and fist. I like range. :p
And even though two can be amazing with the right boons/hammers.
novel prawn
i'd say aegis shield, since you can block most instances of damage, in case you're finding it too hard to dodge everything at once
after that, some boons can help you increase your dps with the shield
not saying it's the only option for early game, it's just what came off the top of my head now
cunning urchin
Aegis is the strongest in terms of winning a run simply because of block.
But the weapon I would recommend early game is just anything you feel like at the moment, so you get a feel for how they work and what you like.
gray lintel
block is dumb, makes you make bad decisions and bad gameplay, and doesn't even protect you that well IMO compared to offense :X
but i could just be weird
novel prawn
@gray lintel agreed, it's not exactly good to pick up a habit of blocking, but just in case, I still like to get the deflecting dash from athena when I can 😄
it's different from that, I know, but if anything, it takes a while to get used to dodging everything in the beginning
cunning urchin
It's not a bad habit to learn to completely negate most attacks when you use the shield.
mystic vale
Just remember to not try blocking if you switch weapons. :p
cunning urchin
I don't block. I hold down attack with Malphon and Divine Strike and deflect everything.
Zag is Son Goku punching back ki blasts confirmed.
novel prawn
@cunning urchin I didn't actually try that strat yet, I'll give it a shot soon. thx
cunning urchin
Malphon and Divine Strike?
cunning urchin
Get Hunter Dash too, and Greatest Reflex from Hermes.
steep pewter
But what about aoe attacks like bombs? Malphon with Divine Strike protect only against everything in front.
novel prawn
i guess that's what the greatest reflex is for?
cunning urchin
You punch them away, or you just dash away. I spam Dash-Strike in rooms anyway.
steep pewter
So you get athena dash too?
cunning urchin
No. Hunter Dash.
novel prawn
honestly, i'm still conflicted between divine dash and hunter dash here
cunning urchin
Your dash strikes will deflect too.
novel prawn
oh, right
cunning urchin
Hunter Dash adds a ton of DPS and has synergy with both Breaching Cross and Rolling Knuckle.
Plus you want to try to get the Duo Boon for lots of crits on your attack.
west totem
but its so boring
novel prawn
duo with artemis and who?
cunning urchin
Artemis and Athena.
novel prawn
ah ok
cunning urchin
I'm having fun with it still.
novel prawn
alright
btw, @steep pewter, speaking of bombs, I discovered a good combo for the cast: dyonisus's festive fog, + duo (dyonisus and zeus - i forget what it's called) ... it basically transforms your festive fog into a static storm... it's glorious
if you can spam your cast, you melt everything
it's a shame i might not be able to get the exact boons for a while
cunning urchin
Ice Wine (Dio + Dem) is the duo you want to go for for Trippy Shot. Scintillating Feast is extra, still great though.
steep pewter
Yeah, I played similar build with fists and this is great combo. Additionaly I get a Demeter artemis duo to extra damage
west totem
deal 2000 damage in 1 second
west totem
there is no infinite cast
just the stuff from charon
and the 3 from upgrades i think
steep pewter
and remember of chaos
west totem
:O
steep pewter
I try the rail shotgun build btw, but don't have a luck with deadelus.
west totem
I beat the final boss with daedulus
lusty gust
rail is sincerely the dumbest weapon in the game. depending on the build you can literally 1-shot any boss
novel prawn
yeah, it does remind me of bastion a bit. also, I guess some people might like the mechanic of reloading (I'm not one ofthem though)
steep pewter
Well, deadelus hammer appearance is similar to kid hammer.
novel prawn
I did get used to the rail gun a bit, but when fighting bosses (or almost everything really), I just dash + special... it's kinda like the combo in bastion with the mortar, but faster (since you don't have to channel, like in bastion)
unless I also have some boon to enhance my normal attack
lusty gust
dont even waste boons on normal attack, you can get more dmg with your special
novel prawn
well, so far the most effective boon for normal attacks I found it to be zeus's chain lightning. it's actually pretty good on it
steep pewter
Oh, I remember chaos shield build when get chaos with 2 special and 1 attack curses three rooms before theseus and bull. I don't do that.
novel prawn
or dyonisus hangover, for single targets, like bosses
lusty gust
ive heard dyonisius goes better on the bow
dyo and aphro actually
though i havent tried this combo but it really sounds menacing
novel prawn
well, you can apply the hangover stacks to max very fast with the gun. it works well when you have upgraded the boon to a high level
also, with the bow, I usually go aspect of chiron, + hangover on special, can apply the stacks almost instantly as well
lusty gust
i always use chiron when i use the bow
novel prawn
me too after I discovered it
lusty gust
perfect dmg confirm
cunning urchin
I always use . . . I don't use the bow.
lusty gust
^ ;-;
novel prawn
fair enough 😄 I do find other weapons more fun, like the blade, so I play that more often
cunning urchin
I've been told Hunter Dash and using mainly dash-strikes is fast with the bow, so I will try that sometime.
lusty gust
i play mostly with guan yu's aspect. get the right upgrades and boons and you have a SSS+ weapon
cunning urchin
For now, every run with it has just been pretty slow compared to other weapons. I still haven't beaten TD2 with it.
novel prawn
yeah I just discovered that a few hours ago... dash strike charges your normal attack faster, but I think it gives reduced damage, compared to attack without dash-strike
on the bow
lusty gust
never used dash boons on the bow. i really find them useless
unless it's a 2+ dash boon
novel prawn
i don't go for dash strike on bow either. well... in the end, I guess it's just a different type of weapon that I didn't get used to, so I might try that later on if I start using the bow more often
who knows
cunning urchin
Its base damage is lower than power shot, but Hunter Dash easily adds like +150% damage to your dash-strike with only a few levels in it.
novel prawn
hmm, alright
lusty gust
depending on the build power shot really becomes useless, it's better to get the infinite attack upgrade
cunning urchin
I should try a bow run with Deadly Strike and Hunter Dash actually after I eat. That should be fun.
novel prawn
alright, I got the urge to play hades again, so I'm off for now, lol. I might try some of the things suggested by you guys, but no promises 😄
cunning urchin
Good luck!
dry ember
So, if you have Deadly Strike nd Hunter Dash, would it be wise to take Twin Shot also?
You shoot twice for one volley
essentially double your crit chance right?
cunning urchin
Doesn't double your crit chance. It doubles your DPS.
Or it should, anyway. Going by the wiki it looks like both shots do full damage.
visual dust
It's double damage and double the chances to crit
dry ember
If we want technicality, it's double the chance for at least one shot in the volley to crit.
cunning urchin
But volley is the special.
dry ember
ok not that "volley," I guess it's my fault for using confusing terms, I mean the attack (which fires 2 arrows with Twin Shot, hence I used "volley," not to be confused with the special)
cunning urchin
Time to do that run with the bow. Probably with Heartbreak Flourish for the duo.
visual dust
i gotta say icy wine is my favorite cast ability so far
hitting for 400 isnt bad on a instant damage ability
twin mural
someone remind me again
can you get an extra defiance from chaos
if you're already at 3?
magic dagger
WHAT
that's awesome
mighty ermine
@cunning urchin hunter dash is definitely a staple for bow, at least personally
i pretty much don't do normal attacks with bow at this point
so i'm getting a lot of value out of hunter dash
cunning urchin
Sadly my game is stuck on this screen and no longer accepts any inputs . . . https://imgur.com/a/iXe6JCU
mighty ermine
that also happens to me whenever finishing a bow run!
f10 it for sure
i have also
all i get to do is exit that screen, can't change pins or anything
cunning urchin
Oh, exiting that screen actually worked. Thanks!
That's the one button I hadn't tried lol.
cunning urchin
B/circle
dry ember
is there a consensus on which one is more popular, mkb or gamepad?
visual dust
I think mkb is the only way to play on a pc in general lmao
so many more buttons to mess with
mighty ermine
i mean, it's not like mkb gets extra commands or anything
it's simply a preference thing
cunning urchin
I use an Xbox One pad. Perfectly fine. Bow aim assist could use a little bit of tweaking here and there.
open coyote
i haven't tried gamepad yet, but mkb just feels great, no clunkiness for me so far
and that's usually my tipping point - if mkb feels clunky on a game, i'll try out gamepad
dry ember
I tried both. It really depends on weapon in my experience.
Bow auto aim is awesome on gamepad,
mighty ermine
i use only gamepad, but i've heard good things about the mkb feel
dry ember
Sword is also pad favored for me. hitting A 3 times on pad is more natural then LMB 3 times on mkb
Though the rail special aim is easier with mkb
mighty ermine
i'm tempted to try a tipsy shot run or something rail special focused with mkb though
yeah
open coyote
i played a triple bomb build with the rail, and just rebound Q to LMB for the run, 10/10 would carpet bomb again
dry ember
yeah. I rebind special to RMB
dry ember
Can we bind mousecroll for cast?
twin mural
it adds a slot
great
meaning i've been unlucky all this time :V
also i use kbm for practically every genre of gaming
barring one or two
mystic vale
Is there a limit on the available amount of titan bloods?
Broker's offering me 250 gems for one, but that sounds a bit too good to be true.
unkempt pagoda
technically infinite with broker and the styx shop, but
rn there's only bounties up to 20 heat (25 on hell mode) for each weapon
which is around 240 blood, which should be plenty at the moment (plus with trades, you can get what you need)
mystic vale
Alright. I'll go on a gem spree for a bit then. I've been neglecting them for other stuff anyhow, and I can't decide what weapons I want to upgrade anyhow.
unkempt pagoda
limited deals change with every run
magic dagger
I got second-tunnel satyr sack for like the last 20 runs, is something broken or am I just really lucky
unkempt pagoda
good rng
west totem
i thought it was always in the centaur heart one
visual dust
So in managed to crit for just over 3k dmg, I wanted to get over 4k but didnt have exposure 😦
weak rivet
i almost always get it in the second tunnel
mystic vale
Kiss of Styx at merchant. I have 199 gold. Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff---
primal plank
just beat hades with shield
and good lord
my only problem with aegis is that it needs a TON of stuff to be good
i would send a print but i guess i can't annex stuff
visual dust
you only need like Poseidon's boon and fire a shot bullrush from hammer
primal plank
but in the results menu, all of the boon slots are occupied
visual dust
those 2 is enough to carry it ahah
magic dagger
but in the results menu, all of the boon slots are occupied
@primal plank you can remove and add mvp boons manually, unless the screen glitches
visual dust
is that the increased healing one? i still can't remember any of the boon names even after like 50 runs
primal plank
@magic dagger no, i mean ALL of the available slots in the boon menu are occupied lol
is that the increased healing one? i still can't remember any of the boon names even after like 50 runs
@visual dust it's the 10% hp execute one
visual dust
ah I don't think I've had that one
tepid ridge
It’s Demeter’s legendary.
visual dust
ah yeah I usually don't take her as zeus and artemis are just better tbh
real nebula
Does doom stack? If my special gives doom and so does my attack
turbid needle
No.
real nebula
damn
magic dagger
there is a boon that makes doom stack, but usually it doesn't
turbid needle
It's not a true stack like Hangover, it's a small bit of chip damage that adds up if you stack it rapidly.
magic dagger
a true stack would be ridiculous
you could basically merc the final boss with one doom hit
elfin ledge
can i get exit wounds if I'm using stygian soul(ammo recharges in 5secs)?
tepid ridge
Yes
It’s not very effective though unless you’re using something like Poseidon’s aspect
cunning urchin
Doom imo is just weak. The faster your attacks are, the more it falls behind other boons on single targets.
And slower attacks have big enough base damage that you'd get more from other boons, too.
tepid ridge
Yea I prefer something like jolted to doom but jolted is tier 2. You have to focus poms to make it marginally maintain effectiveness into the late game.
visual dust
I think doom is just bad in almost every single sitution
one thing its good for is bow special since its slow and does 0 dmg normally so doom makes it slap
novel prawn
I like to use doom on Spear special, when I get the daedalus upgrade that makes my special jump 7 times... that actually makes it more useful in fights with lots of mobs
primal plank
Rail Tri-Bomb Special with doom makes wonders
And with Sword it kinda makes a difference too
real nebula
rn i bull rush past to set it and just keep charging it and repeating
usually by the next full charge doom's gone off and I dont take much damage with the shield
magic dagger
works right up until you turn on tight deadline
turbid needle
Merciful End builds held the WR for speedrunning until Aspect of Poseidon was introduced.
cunning urchin
I guess Doom is okay on bow special; but when I'm using the special, I'm not dash-striking—and then I have to ask myself why I'm not doing that.
I think both Doom and the bow special could use a bit of a buff. Probably not even much.
steep pewter
Just finish run with Zeus aspect aegis + zeus special. Very useful against elysium enemies and bull - you just run, enemy try to catch you and aegis try to back to you hitting enemy.
normal orbit
Is there a meaning to the images of Hades before you start, where he's sitting at the dining table staring at you, with words overlayed like OAF or FEAR
?
gloomy scroll
Story? It generally advances a part of the narrative between Zag and Hades
unkempt pagoda
they’re zag remembering past conversations with his dad, purely narrative scenes
naive tusk
My game crashed. Bye bye darkness 
dry ember
Git gud?
But seriously I would love to know the same to make my gameplay more consistent.
neon fiber
@silk swan keep an eye on his patterns
If a spinny circle appears BAIL
If his weapon multiplies and starts spinning BAIL THE HELL OUT, GET BEHIND A PILLAR AND PRAY YOU DID IT AT THE RIGHT ANGLE OR ELSE THE BEAMS WILL NOCLIPS THROUGH THE PILLAR AND EAT YOUR HEALTH
Always kill the skulls
In case of being unable to smash them in time bail to the other side of the map since they’ve got a limited (if also very wide) range
When he summons the amphoras smash them with either ranged attacks or damage dealing dashes
silk swan
Ok
primal plank
In doubt, reflect dash his ass. It works (most of the time)
olive ice
I guess this is how Royal Flash looks like in Hades :)
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1005936795247138009/6303AF82273056826D507E7127D5ADCF1F9F34BA/
real nebula
is there like a brand loyalty reward of only taking one god's boons?
unkempt pagoda
not really
if you get somewhere around 5~ boons from a god, you get a special title at the end screen
real nebula
ah alright. I tried an athena only run and died to thesius, didn't want to try again if there was nothing for it lol
untold quiver
I like doom on moves I don't use a lot on a single target (fist special) or can hit an area (rail special, bow special) and with Chiron bow or a fast applier....the stack damage can really add up
orchid parcel
@restive solar I tried what you said with the shield and doom, I didn't beat hades but I came seriously close
minor valve
just a question, what does battling alongside thanatos do?
is he functionally just an ally?
lavish gate
ahhhhh i just got my first clear, feels so good
minor valve
tbh i just wanted to know cause my boy than is too broody and i cant tell if hes being angy
minor valve
man i love this game
versed bloom
It's a killing contest
And a contest you want to win
If you win or tie him, he gives you a centaur heart
minor valve
ohhh
earnest ravine
He';s kinda hurt right now emotionally, give him time
versed bloom
sure sure
minor valve
just in case i had to say thankyou
versed bloom
But telling you the result of winning the contest isn't too big
but he one angsty boy
earnest ravine
YEAH no, wouldn't do that outside of spoiler chat, don't worry.
normal orbit
Is there a way to see your current boons when the game is paused?
(In the middle of a Hydra battle, can't tell if my Chaos procced this encounter or next)
cunning urchin
Unfortunately no.
primal plank
I wish I could reroll Daedalus Hammer with fated persuasion or spmething
restive solar
@orchid parcel glad to hear it man, persevere and you’ll get there
quiet veldt
Daedalus Hammer rerolls would be a lot of fun, but i can understand why they dont want that
versed bloom
I dunno if I agree with that
Not across the board?
Doom as a mechanic needs a bit of a leg up
But the blade vortexes are actually decent
cunning urchin
I don't think they're very usable without Hunting Blades.
normal orbit
Strategy question: In Tartarus, should I take a Daedelus Hammer or a Double Boon Room(Ares/Aretemis, wielding sword with Ares/Artemis/Poseidon boons so far)
mighty ermine
typically double boon, since the hammer will show up later at a different point regardless
while you might not get another double room chance
coarse lily
How long does it take before you're able to give ambrosia?