#h1-builds-and-combat | Supergiant Games | Page 479

naive laurel Apr 18, 2020, 11:46 PM

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but, if i want timers, I'll 100% go with plume

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plume enables reckless playstyle

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And technically is more bonus than god boon, cuz, well, i got more nrg otherwise

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so it's basically limited to some weapon aspects for me to do TD 9

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shield is a no, nemeisis prob yes

turbid needle Apr 18, 2020, 11:47 PM

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I didn't think Cursed Slash was enabled from Dash attacks.

naive laurel Apr 18, 2020, 11:47 PM

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it also is enabled on hitting multiple enmies

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so getting jury summons is a plus for it actually

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On these TD reckless runs I just instapick cursed slash

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even, when, on, arthur

torpid turret Apr 18, 2020, 11:58 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/wcffmpp.png

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Barely

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I tried fated persuasion for this one. So I wasn't able to reroll doors into max hp

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On the plus side I was able to get epic life affirmation as my starting boon

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https://i.imgur.com/6fLRjru.jpg

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naive laurel Apr 19, 2020, 12:07 AM

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perfection

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2 chaoes soul residentzag

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Imo chaoes's soul is actually one of the most chamber-efficient rewards

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Wait, have I talked about this before in here

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since chaoes room actually takes a chamber except right before pre-boss free room, i think

torpid turret Apr 19, 2020, 12:31 AM

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They were both common

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Unfortunately

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Take what I can get when I don't have fated authority

naive laurel Apr 19, 2020, 12:37 AM

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Usually after getting offered chaoes soul, I immediately forfeit any heart in a boon/heart choice

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especially a 50+ soul

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Hmm maybe I can update chaos boon number tomorrow

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but iirc it's just strictly following the rarity rule of tier 1 boons, so all i need to check is the base number

naive tusk Apr 19, 2020, 1:25 AM

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So remember that Thunder Flourish with Aspect of Chaos I mentioned before?

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I finished said run just now (longest run I've ever had)

naive laurel Apr 19, 2020, 1:26 AM

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It's not good dmg perse

naive tusk Apr 19, 2020, 1:26 AM

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Zeus never gave me Static Discharge nor Splitting Bolt

naive laurel Apr 19, 2020, 1:26 AM

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hangover does 2x dmg overall

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Oh f

naive tusk Apr 19, 2020, 1:26 AM

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Hey, I had to work with what I had

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Zeus and Poseidon were "Yolo nephew"

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Athena appeared on Styx and offered me her dash and cast, but at point I was already dealing with the torture

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Noone offered me an attack boon ever and I was like ._.

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Anyways, mission complete!

naive laurel Apr 19, 2020, 1:47 AM

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yeah...I'd rather get athena/aphro cast early cuz it accelerates rooms like a joke

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or provides defensiveness

quartz crow Apr 19, 2020, 1:53 AM

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had sister try it then try out the weapons on my save

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she likes it :)

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she really likes the death animation :/

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cause it's dark

naive laurel Apr 19, 2020, 1:59 AM

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Hey, the more players the merrier

quartz crow Apr 19, 2020, 2:02 AM

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well she wasn't in the mood to play longer but she'd be willing another time. she reads too fast -_-

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they arn't done talking and she skips them. must be all that subbed anime and reading expirience

latent junco Apr 19, 2020, 2:09 AM

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what are some of the easier pacts to deal with to increase heat?

quartz crow Apr 19, 2020, 2:10 AM

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dmg controll

torpid turret Apr 19, 2020, 2:10 AM

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imo tight deadline

quartz crow Apr 19, 2020, 2:10 AM

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if it's not overwhelming

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i had 1min after beating boss for rank 1 TD

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that's death at rank 2 isn't it

latent junco Apr 19, 2020, 2:12 AM

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damage control only negates up to 2 hits?

turbid needle Apr 19, 2020, 2:12 AM

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Yes.

latent junco Apr 19, 2020, 2:12 AM

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that sounds easy to deal with

torpid turret Apr 19, 2020, 2:15 AM

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Man im like 30 perfect catches in a row right now

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Artemis on rail special with Cluster bomb and rocket bomb makes for a quick hades kill lmao

naive laurel Apr 19, 2020, 3:22 AM

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oh my, dmg control is kinda childs play after seeing 7 greateshields with savior and brusier

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run ender chamber

latent junco Apr 19, 2020, 3:33 AM

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https://imgur.com/a/OdRz2s1 this was great

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perma charm on minotaur and final boss basically, lol

stiff flume Apr 19, 2020, 3:42 AM

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i have Spent Spirit

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😩

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hate*

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not have

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only thing worse is getting dyo/poseidon duo boon in stage 4 lmao

latent junco Apr 19, 2020, 3:48 AM

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not have what?

naive laurel Apr 19, 2020, 3:57 AM

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Rn I see several types of punishment aspects, they are, I'd say, accurate in matter of heat-to-difficulty translation on their own (except lasting consequences), but combined they are much not.

Note that some punishements are duplicate cuz they belong to multiple.
Incoming dmg buff: Hard labor, Extreme measures, Benefits Package, Middle Management, Personal Liability.
Enemy total health buff: Jury Summons, Calisthenics Program, Benefits Package, Middle Management, Damage Control.
Enemy pattern buff: Extreme Measures, Middle Management.
Enemy speed buff: Benefits Package, Forced Overtime.
Self debuff/limiting: Lasting Consequences, Convenience Fee, Underworld Customs, Heightened Security, Routine Inspection, Approval Process, Tight Deadline.

When we focus most inside a sub-category, it will not change heat-to-difficulty translation too much. But if we got some inter-category combos going, like getting Enemy pattern/speed buff a lot and also buffing incoming damage a lot, then we are in more of a trouble than simply their difficulty added up.

We should implement a inter-category heat bonus so that the heat is more representative of what we are enduring. No FO 32 is as easy as 22 FO40%, because there's no real combo bonus.

So, I wanna ask u guys' opinion before going into feed back, what do u think if we got some combo heat points from selecting multiple categories to a certain level.

turbid needle Apr 19, 2020, 3:59 AM

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Like, putting Hard Labor and Forced Overtime together would produce more than 11 heat because the increased speed compounds the danger of increased damage?

torpid turret Apr 19, 2020, 3:59 AM

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Too complicated imo, wouldn't make for a very user friendly system

turbid needle Apr 19, 2020, 3:59 AM

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I don't think Heat needs any more rebalancing.

naive laurel Apr 19, 2020, 3:59 AM

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Like, putting Hard Labor and Forced Overtime together would produce more than 11 heat because the increased speed compounds the danger of increased damage?
@turbid needle
Basically, yes.

Too complicated imo, wouldn't make for a very user friendly system
@torpid turret
And....yep that's the most problematic part

torpid turret Apr 19, 2020, 4:00 AM

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The additional heat wouldn't really mean much anyways

naive laurel Apr 19, 2020, 4:01 AM

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I mean, we can solve it by making heat number less meaningful, but rn a lot of things are tied to it, and we can find the easiest way out cuz every means are available

naive tusk Apr 19, 2020, 4:01 AM

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The only value for increased heat number would be to get Skelly's last statue for those who haven't yet, but other than that...

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It would just ramp up the number just because

naive laurel Apr 19, 2020, 4:02 AM

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So, there's no real accurate representation of heat towards difficulty

torpid turret Apr 19, 2020, 4:02 AM

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I would rather see new punishments to increase the heat number tbh

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I'd like a heat option for more difficult enemies. For example asphodel enemies in tartarus, elysium enemies in asphodel etc

naive laurel Apr 19, 2020, 4:04 AM

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erebus everywhere basically?

unkempt pagoda Apr 19, 2020, 4:04 AM

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every enemy is a hades-buffed enemy

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but imo benefits package does that

naive laurel Apr 19, 2020, 4:05 AM

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that would be extreme measures level nein

naive tusk Apr 19, 2020, 4:05 AM

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I agree that certain combos of punishments make a run harder than other combos (like getting FO +40% and Hard Labor +100% makes it harder than having Convenience Fee + Damage Control + Calisthenics + etc)

naive laurel Apr 19, 2020, 4:05 AM

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basically, if I only stack enemy health/defence buffs, it's also diminishing return on difficulty

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but once tight deadline is selected with it, now it's something else immediately

latent junco Apr 19, 2020, 4:07 AM

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hey guys

naive laurel Apr 19, 2020, 4:07 AM

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so inter-category heat bonus is imo the only way to represent that

latent junco Apr 19, 2020, 4:07 AM

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i have over 100% dodge chance

naive laurel Apr 19, 2020, 4:07 AM

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it does not stack additively, bro

torpid turret Apr 19, 2020, 4:07 AM

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Imo tight deadline is 5 free heat lol

naive laurel Apr 19, 2020, 4:07 AM

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Depends on method of playing lul

torpid turret Apr 19, 2020, 4:07 AM

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Yeah

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7 minutes is so much time

turbid needle Apr 19, 2020, 4:07 AM

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Tight Deadline is 5 free Heat for a certain kind of player.

naive laurel Apr 19, 2020, 4:07 AM

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I have had good runs where I beat every biome under 6 mins

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cuz i actually went plume to enable my recklessness

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and i have had 39 min runs too

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so welp

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39 min on 22 iirc, so not very shameful

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I always try to be asap, but sometimes taking a bit of time for being safe isn't that bad

naive tusk Apr 19, 2020, 4:09 AM

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So you are saying, that if certain heat combos are active, a player should get extra heat

naive laurel Apr 19, 2020, 4:09 AM

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especially when your game might stutter when u are dashing

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yes

naive tusk Apr 19, 2020, 4:09 AM

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FO + HL = 11 heat + an extra

naive laurel Apr 19, 2020, 4:09 AM

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but by category, it makes it more simple

naive tusk Apr 19, 2020, 4:10 AM

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The extra as "compensating" for taking them on at the same time

naive laurel Apr 19, 2020, 4:10 AM

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FO/BF + 10 heat from Incoming dmg buff category = +5 heat

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something like this

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or, selecting FO gives that category a multiplier

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Hey i think this can work too

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FO and some certain punishments becomes a master level

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if u select it, u get a heat multiplier on some punishments

latent junco Apr 19, 2020, 4:12 AM

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a what?

naive laurel Apr 19, 2020, 4:12 AM

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We just need a tooltip on it saying "selecting this will increase certain punishment's heat worth"

latent junco Apr 19, 2020, 4:12 AM

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what do you mean heat worth?

naive tusk Apr 19, 2020, 4:13 AM

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When you pick a punishment from the pact, it adds heat to your run

latent junco Apr 19, 2020, 4:13 AM

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yes, and?

naive tusk Apr 19, 2020, 4:13 AM

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In numbers. If you haven't picked any punishment, you have 0 heat

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He means heat worth as in heat numbers

latent junco Apr 19, 2020, 4:14 AM

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certain punishments heat numbers means what though?

torpid turret Apr 19, 2020, 4:14 AM

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Essentially a difficulty rating

naive laurel Apr 19, 2020, 4:14 AM

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hmm, imagine picking FO lvl 2 makes hard labor suddenly worth 2 heat each level residentzag

turbid needle Apr 19, 2020, 4:15 AM

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On top of FO lvl 2's 6 Heat?

naive laurel Apr 19, 2020, 4:15 AM

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I mean, yeah? It's that difficult, not hard to believe

naive tusk Apr 19, 2020, 4:16 AM

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I'd say adding 6 heat plus a multiplier is a bit overkill (if that multiplier works on that 6 heat as well it means 12 heat)

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it it were a multiplier, it would have to drop the base 6 heat and just multiply other punishments

naive laurel Apr 19, 2020, 4:17 AM

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I can see that working thanthink But I think itself should have a base 1 each lvl still

languid storm Apr 19, 2020, 4:32 AM

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What exactly let's me start upgrading my weapons, as it's nowhere on the wiki and no solid answer online

naive tusk Apr 19, 2020, 4:33 AM

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You have to speak with Achilles until he tells you how

languid storm Apr 19, 2020, 4:34 AM

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Just keep triggering dialog with him or do I have to give him nectars?

latent junco Apr 19, 2020, 4:35 AM

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family favorite or privileged status?

naive tusk Apr 19, 2020, 4:40 AM

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Trigger his dialog. Nectar isn't need as far as I know

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You also need to unlock all weapons in the courtyard

latent junco Apr 19, 2020, 4:42 AM

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hey guys

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did you know if you put rubble on a spike trap it won't activate?

naive tusk Apr 19, 2020, 4:42 AM

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Either works depending on which Gods you are seeking

dense locust Apr 19, 2020, 5:04 AM

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Ah I like the idea of adding in an extra point of heat or two if you take combos that are just harder (and it could play into your weapon and aspect choice), but I also think that finding the balance for that would be very very hard

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And it'd also probably be dependent on individual players; some players finding some combos harder or easier than others, so making a balanced system would be likely subjective to the developers own playstyles, on top of being a difficult thing to balance in the first place

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And about tight deadline, I think if you're running a certain weapon/aspect/companion combo that has high dps and you're confident in finding the right hammers and boons to bring it online (or you've explored the seed enough to know it'll probably work), then tight deadline is free heat. On the other hand, some starting W/A/C combos are safe and slow, but can handle putting the heat somewhere else. For example, my 33 heat on hell mode with the bow took nearly 50 minutes, but hey, a completions a completion

spare zealot Apr 19, 2020, 5:33 AM

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I still can't get used to the damn bow

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I even used Chiron or whatever the aspect is. I'm just so damn immobile and I can't clear groups either

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the bow itself is worth like 1 heat

olive badge Apr 19, 2020, 5:39 AM

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to me tight deadline is free heat

dense locust Apr 19, 2020, 6:06 AM

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Some builds just lend themselves to high risk high reward

spare zealot Apr 19, 2020, 6:06 AM

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is there any documentation on what each of the benefits package enemy buff icons are? Some of them I've figured out but then theres this laser beam one and this green aiming reticle(?) and I can't figure those out

dense locust Apr 19, 2020, 6:06 AM

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others can work but must go slower

spare zealot Apr 19, 2020, 6:07 AM

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and then whatever the purple circle one is

dense locust Apr 19, 2020, 6:09 AM

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I can usually recognize their buffs pretty quickly just by how the enemies act but I don't know the symbols

covert tide Apr 19, 2020, 6:18 AM

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The lines radiating out from the base of them means increased damage, I think

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Lasers is obvious

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Putting up a shield on surrounding enemies looks like a blue circle pulsing out occasionally

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The green aiming reticule sounds like you have Marked on them, a boon from Artemis

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By “lasers is obvious” I don’t mean that to be condescending, I just mean it’s one of the ones that’s visually very apparent

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They connect to a nearby enemy and if you stand in the beam you take damage

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Extra armor just looks like a giant health bar of armor

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Making duplicates means you’ll see semi-transparent copies of the enemy, which die much more easily than the actual enemy

slim inlet Apr 19, 2020, 6:23 AM

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did a couple of runs with benefits package but no sign of burner. how do I find them?

covert tide Apr 19, 2020, 6:37 AM

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Just luck of the draw I think

naive laurel Apr 19, 2020, 7:21 AM

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https://imgur.com/0cJs4Oq

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2ND CHAOES

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LUL

rich cedar Apr 19, 2020, 7:36 AM

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Dude

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+60% attack dmg

turbid needle Apr 19, 2020, 7:37 AM

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^

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You don't see that everyday

rich cedar Apr 19, 2020, 7:37 AM

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also if you have spear

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i would insta pick that dash dmg

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This is the best chaos screen ive ever seen

turbid needle Apr 19, 2020, 7:38 AM

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For some build/weapons yeah absolutely

torpid turret Apr 19, 2020, 7:45 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/e9MoSBH.jpg

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First 32 heat finally done, put it off for so long

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Only lost 64 HP to final boss, but the journey there was rough

dense locust Apr 19, 2020, 7:49 AM

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Lol speed runner doing what a speed runner knows best

lament coral Apr 19, 2020, 7:51 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/fast-sonic-boom-sonic-smile-gif-14637540

torpid turret Apr 19, 2020, 7:51 AM

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Yeah it's hard to change the playstyle into something more safe

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So I just do what I know and full send it and hope for the best haha

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1st 32 had to be fists too, my favorite weapon

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Another check off the 100% list though, that was the main goal here

lament coral Apr 19, 2020, 7:54 AM

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was there a reason you picked Zag over Dem?

torpid turret Apr 19, 2020, 7:55 AM

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Because I never special

lament coral Apr 19, 2020, 7:55 AM

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oof

torpid turret Apr 19, 2020, 7:55 AM

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I love fists. Hate its special

lament coral Apr 19, 2020, 7:55 AM

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I wish it didn't leave you open for attacks

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you still get hit even with dash cancelling

torpid turret Apr 19, 2020, 7:56 AM

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I loooove zag aspect

gray lintel Apr 19, 2020, 8:05 AM

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punchpunchpunchpunchpunch

torpid turret Apr 19, 2020, 8:05 AM

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How good

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Long knuckle is absurd

rich cedar Apr 19, 2020, 8:06 AM

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i always go plume

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with zag aspect

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gotta stack that dodge

torpid turret Apr 19, 2020, 8:06 AM

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Yeah fair

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I spent most of that run getting merciful end

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The dodge animation is sick

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Fists are good at making you feel badass

stiff flume Apr 19, 2020, 8:10 AM

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i kinda wish chaos had a different legendary

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feels underwhelming to me

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and ive only had it a single time in over 100 hours

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+1 life is nice and all but it doesnt really feel powerful for something that rare

gray lintel Apr 19, 2020, 8:12 AM

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It does feel nice to walk up to REDACTED with 500 health and 4 DDs.

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"Do you feel lucky, punk?"

torpid turret Apr 19, 2020, 8:13 AM

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It is a little underwhelming I agree

lament coral Apr 19, 2020, 8:13 AM

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I mean, it's a +1 refillable life

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and unlike the tooth, Chaos' +1 DD appears at the front

gray lintel Apr 19, 2020, 8:14 AM

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Then you never use a single DD and like welp

lament coral Apr 19, 2020, 8:14 AM

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GOD GAMER

gray lintel Apr 19, 2020, 8:14 AM

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more like having op combo

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Some runs I get an Athena sword double special with +30% special speed and just face tank the final boss. Other times I get a bad ares Doom combo with no survivability or damage :c

lament coral Apr 19, 2020, 8:17 AM

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pump Hard Labor to +100% enemy damage and you'll stop face tanking regardless of your build

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with maxed out mirror and aspects, everything is easy with no heat

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but just having Hard Labor, Extreme Measures, and Forced Overtime set to max could get you creamed if you stop paying attention

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could slap 400% trap damage on top for extra spicy Elysium and Styx

dense locust Apr 19, 2020, 8:21 AM

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And try and take back to back increased trap damage boons from chaos just for the lols

lament coral Apr 19, 2020, 8:21 AM

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20 damage lava, per second

naive laurel Apr 19, 2020, 8:24 AM

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https://imgur.com/yexlDhC

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6 rerolls lul

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i burnt through some, it was https://imgur.com/DQdf7Cq

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this is "Cast build" lul

weak rivet Apr 19, 2020, 8:26 AM

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Did you shoot cerberus

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You ought to be ashamed of yourself

lament coral Apr 19, 2020, 8:27 AM

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🔔 SHAME 🔔

marble ridge Apr 19, 2020, 8:30 AM

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~~fake boss health bar~~

naive laurel Apr 19, 2020, 8:31 AM

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dashed cerberus

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sorry cerberus, 20 dmg is bad

slim inlet Apr 19, 2020, 8:35 AM

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sometimes I dash him to see giant protection field

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he's so massive

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big good boy

marble ridge Apr 19, 2020, 8:45 AM

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invulnerable *

gray lintel Apr 19, 2020, 8:50 AM

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things were attacking you know. They just got deflected :p

lament coral Apr 19, 2020, 8:51 AM

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Cerberus: deflects
Zagreus: explodes

spare zealot Apr 19, 2020, 8:54 AM

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This is how zag keeps dying

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he never makes it out the door, that's just a dream he keeps having

marble ridge Apr 19, 2020, 8:55 AM

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delusion of grandeur

naive laurel Apr 19, 2020, 8:59 AM

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I once suggested anything that happens after he first beat hades is a dream

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no joke

vivid perch Apr 19, 2020, 9:07 AM

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volfredthink

dense locust Apr 19, 2020, 9:25 AM

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God, every time I accidentally dash and end up damaging cerb, I just want to give up right there

dense locust Apr 19, 2020, 1:05 PM

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I've noticed pierced butterfly does not apply to styx the individual chambers within the styx, which makes sense considering its basically one long encounter

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Despite this being a darkness farming run on 0 heat, it was too silly to not share. Zag aspect on rail (unfortunately not eris), rocket bomb and cluster bomb hammers. Each rocket would consistently crit for 1.5k, so 5x1.5k if I got close enough or got them against a wall... https://imgur.com/TtSQ5x6

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latent junco Apr 19, 2020, 1:50 PM

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holy crap merciful end with athena dash and the doom effect lasting much longer but with tons more damage is insane

winter birch Apr 19, 2020, 4:41 PM

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Dont have the screen shot but just got a 20 minute run with Artemis Excalibur

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Overall excalibur seems kind of broken

neon fiber Apr 19, 2020, 4:46 PM

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don't say that, i want to unlock it before the devs nerf it

winter birch Apr 19, 2020, 4:48 PM

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@devs

neon fiber Apr 19, 2020, 4:51 PM

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shhhhhhhhhhhhhh

stiff flume Apr 19, 2020, 4:52 PM

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my fastest with arthur is like 15:20

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fun weapon

lethal crane Apr 19, 2020, 6:29 PM

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exca is 100% broken, but at least it swings slow so you might(?) get punished if you fail

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go unlock it before the inc nerf

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like the 50 extra hp at least is not needed at all

stable onyx Apr 19, 2020, 6:33 PM

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crit on exca is godly damage

brave dune Apr 19, 2020, 6:38 PM

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Hermes fast strike on exca, swinging it feels like shooting a tank

stiff flume Apr 19, 2020, 6:39 PM

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i thought it might get harder at higher heat runs since its so slow but im at 20 now with it and its still smooth sailing

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the 50 extra hp might really be unnecessary

lethal crane Apr 19, 2020, 7:17 PM

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How does dodge work, stacking wise? I got 100% dodge chance if it's additive, after using my call, is that true?

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Or is there a cap?

tepid ridge Apr 19, 2020, 7:21 PM

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I believe each chance rolls separately whenever you get hit, so if you have a 30% dodge from an upgraded Hermes boon, 20% chance from the plume, and 50 from Ruthless Reflex, each chance will check every time you get hit. They are not additive towards one single probability value.

winter birch Apr 19, 2020, 7:46 PM

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huh

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thats a smart system

lethal crane Apr 19, 2020, 8:16 PM

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makes sense, i noticed hades whirlwind still can hit me

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might not be a dodge-able ability at all, but probably just multiplicative dodge system indeed

unkempt pagoda Apr 19, 2020, 8:28 PM

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left tartarus with chaos +1 cast and ice wine, on hera

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love when rng just blesses you 😌

unkempt geyser Apr 19, 2020, 8:39 PM

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Excalibur is only broken if you know how to utilize it lmao. I personally don't like it that much because of how slow the swings are, but that's just my preference for speedy attacks in games in general, and excalibur doesn't mesh with my preferences. At the same time I think the 4th aspects are inherently meant to be more than the previous forms anyway. They're very much high risk high reward in a way you don't get with other weapon aspects

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I honestly expect the other 4th aspects to maintain this trend. the base is the "current" form, the 2nd and 3rd aspects are "past" forms, and the 4th aspect is a "future" form, so it's interesting for the 4th aspects to mix up gameplay more

latent junco Apr 19, 2020, 9:25 PM

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https://imgur.com/a/OdRz2s1

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got another legendary fish

turbid needle Apr 19, 2020, 9:46 PM

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Don't post spoilers here please

latent junco Apr 19, 2020, 9:49 PM

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how is that a spoiler?

neon fiber Apr 19, 2020, 10:11 PM

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yeah, that's just a feesh

naive laurel Apr 19, 2020, 10:12 PM

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arguable, gameplay spoilers are allowed here but progression/story related is not, this can fit in both

proud storm Apr 19, 2020, 10:14 PM

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fish arent really spoilers here imo

neon fiber Apr 19, 2020, 10:14 PM

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yeah

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same

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it's literally just
an optional side thing to get more resources
and what you can get from it isn't really much of a spoiler

naive laurel Apr 19, 2020, 10:24 PM

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the ||codex|| itself on the other hand....

neon fiber Apr 19, 2020, 10:25 PM

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yes but the codex is literally just open on the fish section

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hell, i don't think the codex itself qualifies since you get it on your second run or so

surreal jolt Apr 19, 2020, 11:41 PM

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heres another spoiler, eggs come from chickens

covert tide Apr 19, 2020, 11:50 PM

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Pff, next you’re going to tell me chickens come from eggs

naive tusk Apr 19, 2020, 11:52 PM

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Well, there are also reptilian eggs and fish eggs tizozzz

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But nevermind that, move on bouldy

gray lintel Apr 20, 2020, 12:09 AM

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+39% attack speed is fun

neon fiber Apr 20, 2020, 12:16 AM

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wait what comes out of cosmic eggs then

grand patrol Apr 20, 2020, 12:17 AM

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cosmic omllette

unkempt pagoda Apr 20, 2020, 12:20 AM

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cosmlette

neon fiber Apr 20, 2020, 12:20 AM

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nice

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 12:36 AM

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sinmelette when

lethal crane Apr 20, 2020, 1:02 AM

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Anyone knows if chaos +attack dmg affects dash-attack too?

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I imagine it does...but

neon fiber Apr 20, 2020, 1:03 AM

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i
actually have no clue, i assume it does

lethal crane Apr 20, 2020, 1:03 AM

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i mean it should, right? by all logic

neon fiber Apr 20, 2020, 1:03 AM

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but yeah, there's cases like the sword's hp drain hammer upgrade that only affects generic attacks

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but yeah, i assume it does

lethal crane Apr 20, 2020, 1:03 AM

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i have a hard choice between 83% dash-dmg or 53% attack dmg, and i already got +atck dmg from her

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so gonna try stacking 2x atk

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cuz the dash one is painful

kind fiber Apr 20, 2020, 1:21 AM

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How do you progress the artemis, aphro and zeus relationships right now? I've done everyone elses but I'm not sure how to go further than that right now

unkempt pagoda Apr 20, 2020, 1:24 AM

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with artemis you just need to max out her pre-locked hearts and keep talking to her, you'll know you're on the right track when she starts a convo line about callisto

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zeus is about the same but slightly more complicated, requiring you to get duo boon dialogue with demeter (and maybe artemis?) as well

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not sure of the specifics on aphro, but you'll need at least one of the romantic routes (||than, meg, dusa||) fully done, but i'm not sure if you need more than one route maxed out. also there's a bug this update that locks some people out of aphrodite's relationship, which will be fixed in june, so if it seems like aphrodite isn't progressing that might be why

torpid turret Apr 20, 2020, 2:14 AM

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Dash attacks usually have different base values so it's hard to say. It depends on if that base value is based of the attack value or not I suppose. Can be easily tested though

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I've always assumed it did though

turbid needle Apr 20, 2020, 2:16 AM

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The only dash attack that can't carry a run on its own is arguably Aegis. All of Stygius, Varatha, Coronacht, Malphon, and Exagryph have anywhere from a top tier (Aspect of Hades, Serrated Edge) or possibly-to-definitely busted (Aspect of Eris, Deadly Strike, Spread Fire) Dash-Strike build.

torpid turret Apr 20, 2020, 2:17 AM

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I almost exclusively build Twin Fists for dash attacks

slate dove Apr 20, 2020, 2:26 AM

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I love the long knuckle + reflect combo

torpid turret Apr 20, 2020, 2:26 AM

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Long knuckle is pretty much a must for an attack build

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 2:27 AM

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or...get breaching strike and perma stun enemies w/ zeus

torpid turret Apr 20, 2020, 2:27 AM

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Even with a full zues build I want long knuckle

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 2:27 AM

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Yeah ofc, it's just good, but it's not a must :p

slate dove Apr 20, 2020, 2:27 AM

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Long knuckle is just great

torpid turret Apr 20, 2020, 2:28 AM

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It's too good to not have

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 2:28 AM

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breaching strike on other hand, on my

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elites be damned

torpid turret Apr 20, 2020, 2:28 AM

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Breaching strike is what I strive for after long knuckle

turbid needle Apr 20, 2020, 2:28 AM

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Oh, thank you, Sink.

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 2:28 AM

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I think last nite I took breaching strike at the gate of slysium

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then it's a super smooth run

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oh yeah I took siphoning upper over long knuckle iirc

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regen is just, busted

torpid turret Apr 20, 2020, 2:31 AM

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Gonna go for another 32 heat fists run, this time zues instead of merciful end build

turbid needle Apr 20, 2020, 2:31 AM

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Man, I can never get Splitting Bolt when I try that.

torpid turret Apr 20, 2020, 2:31 AM

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Yeah sometimes it just never works out

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 2:32 AM

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just get jolted 4head dusa

turbid needle Apr 20, 2020, 2:32 AM

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Only ever shows up now when I've got Thunder Dash or Zeus's Aid as filler on an Aegis run.

unkempt pagoda Apr 20, 2020, 2:32 AM

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bring the old dashing wallop back and shield dash attack builds will thrive again

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 2:32 AM

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wait, now that i think about it, I sound like a jolted fanatic

turbid needle Apr 20, 2020, 2:32 AM

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Shield attack builds are fine.

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Get Pulverizing Blow and, uh, anything except Tempest Strike and spam alternated Attacks and Dash-Strikes.

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Easy peasy clears.

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 2:33 AM

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Tempest strike actually works if u only bullrush

torpid turret Apr 20, 2020, 2:33 AM

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Actually never done a shield attack build lmao

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 2:33 AM

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it pushes people into the front, which makes ur special return to u almost immediatelyu

turbid needle Apr 20, 2020, 2:33 AM

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Pulverizing Blow and alternating attacks is ridiculous.

slate dove Apr 20, 2020, 2:33 AM

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Shield attack was never my favourite style

torpid turret Apr 20, 2020, 2:35 AM

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Same with fists special, not my cup of tea

slate dove Apr 20, 2020, 2:36 AM

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Fist special with aspects can be fun

turbid needle Apr 20, 2020, 2:36 AM

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What Aspect do you normally run, Sink? Zagreus?

torpid turret Apr 20, 2020, 2:36 AM

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Yup

turbid needle Apr 20, 2020, 2:36 AM

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So just play your normal Zagreus run on Aspect of Demeter, and whenever you glow blue you delete something with Dash-Upper and Deadly Flourish.

torpid turret Apr 20, 2020, 2:37 AM

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Yeah the special just feels so weird to me

slate dove Apr 20, 2020, 2:37 AM

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I recently did a run with chaos +% special with Demeter fists

turbid needle Apr 20, 2020, 2:38 AM

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It's a little weird, yeah.

torpid turret Apr 20, 2020, 2:38 AM

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And I like the attack builds so much I never really feel the need to make a special build

slate dove Apr 20, 2020, 2:38 AM

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With the long range special hammer effect

turbid needle Apr 20, 2020, 2:38 AM

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Malphon's Attack builds ARE amazing.

torpid turret Apr 20, 2020, 2:38 AM

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It can be so good that using a special in between will probably lose me some DPS

turbid needle Apr 20, 2020, 2:38 AM

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Without Demeter, absolutely. But Giga Cutter is pretty nutty.

torpid turret Apr 20, 2020, 2:39 AM

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Yeah

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You lose the attack speed, but you can't really feel that buff anyways

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Even getting Hermes +30% attack speed you can't really tell the difference

slate dove Apr 20, 2020, 2:41 AM

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When Hermes gives you attack speed and you already have long knuckle, it's almost a guaranteed run

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 2:41 AM

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It does not decrease how attack animation lasts

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it only decrease how long the interval between each attack, from what I see from the files

torpid turret Apr 20, 2020, 2:41 AM

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As soon as I get a seed that starts me with zues attack ima go for a 32 heat+ run with fists

turbid needle Apr 20, 2020, 2:48 AM

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Nothing quite like teleporting void Flamewheels "Nothing personnel, kid"ing you leaving you unable to dash away in time before they explode, is there, lads?

torpid turret Apr 20, 2020, 2:50 AM

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This is why I gotta have my long knuckles

turbid needle Apr 20, 2020, 2:50 AM

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I have Long Knuckles!

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Crit Zag Aspect build, but this Flamewheel thought Goku was being fair when he IT'd inside Cell's guard from the front, so he IT'd inside my guard from behind.

torpid turret Apr 20, 2020, 2:52 AM

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Scary stuff

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Man the soundtrack is soooo damn good

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Can't stop listening to it

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Darren Korb is a legend

flat brook Apr 20, 2020, 3:11 AM

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First perfect clear and 5s short of best time, fists are officially my favorite weapon https://i.imgur.com/Mt0HRIP.png

Imgur

torpid turret Apr 20, 2020, 3:11 AM

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Yeah another fist lover!

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ajfingerguns

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There's a reason I got zag fists in my pfp haha

flat brook Apr 20, 2020, 3:16 AM

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i tried messing around with talos and demeter but i always come back to zag aspect

torpid turret Apr 20, 2020, 3:18 AM

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My man

dusky grove Apr 20, 2020, 3:23 AM

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So......
I killed Hades in like,
idk 10s ?

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maybe even shorter ?

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dunno

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any ideas on how to kill him faster ?

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:>

torpid turret Apr 20, 2020, 3:26 AM

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10 seconds?

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The WR for this game has a 27 second ||Hades|| fight so sorry if I find that hard to believe.

turbid needle Apr 20, 2020, 3:32 AM

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Aaaaaaaaaand I die at the very last second.

torpid turret Apr 20, 2020, 3:32 AM

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shadeohboy

turbid needle Apr 20, 2020, 3:32 AM

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I'm gonna chalk that up to my second hammer being all Special-related.

torpid turret Apr 20, 2020, 3:33 AM

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What were you doing?

turbid needle Apr 20, 2020, 3:33 AM

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Zag Aspect, Deadly Strike, Long Knuckle.

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I had Passion Dash, Empty Inside, and Heart Rend.

torpid turret Apr 20, 2020, 3:33 AM

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Ah

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How was deadly strike? haven't given that a go yet

turbid needle Apr 20, 2020, 3:34 AM

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Now I really think it needs Concentrated Knuckle.

flat brook Apr 20, 2020, 3:34 AM

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how much is considered high heat?

turbid needle Apr 20, 2020, 3:34 AM

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Just started another run into Rare Lightning Strike.

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Wait, what builds have you been doing, then?

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Athena?

torpid turret Apr 20, 2020, 3:35 AM

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I really want elaboration on this supposed 10s ||Hades|| fight

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I usually go full Zues or Merciful End

turbid needle Apr 20, 2020, 3:35 AM

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It sounded like a bit of harmless hyperbole to me, but if it wasn't it was probably Vicious Cycle Hunting Blades.

torpid turret Apr 20, 2020, 3:35 AM

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I'm not even sure it's possible

turbid needle Apr 20, 2020, 3:36 AM

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If the timer paused between phases, while he was Impervious, I could see 4+ high level Hunting Blades deleting at least one of either phase in 10 seconds.

torpid turret Apr 20, 2020, 3:36 AM

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If it paused sure

fallow niche Apr 20, 2020, 3:36 AM

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Bro

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32 heat 5:26

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What the

torpid turret Apr 20, 2020, 3:37 AM

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And I'd take it as harmless hyperbole if they hadn't said maybe faster hahah

fallow niche Apr 20, 2020, 3:37 AM

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We Need To Stop a prime

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Vorime *

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Phone pls

earnest ravine Apr 20, 2020, 3:37 AM

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I don't think it's possible

torpid turret Apr 20, 2020, 3:38 AM

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No stopping Vorime

flat brook Apr 20, 2020, 3:39 AM

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what i love about the fists is that anything you slap on it is good (at least on the attack)

fallow niche Apr 20, 2020, 3:39 AM

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Also the hades phase switches and invulnerability periods last over 10 secs iirc

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So 10s hades fight isn't possible

torpid turret Apr 20, 2020, 3:39 AM

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What I thought

fallow niche Apr 20, 2020, 3:39 AM

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Fastest I've seen was 30 seconds

torpid turret Apr 20, 2020, 3:40 AM

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27 seconds in vorimes WR

fallow niche Apr 20, 2020, 3:40 AM

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Oh wait

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No

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Fastest I've seen was 10 seconds

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The aphro big

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Bug

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Before they fixed skipping bosses

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Lmao

torpid turret Apr 20, 2020, 3:40 AM

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Ah right

fallow niche Apr 20, 2020, 3:40 AM

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Instant death

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I think it does like 9999999 damage or something

torpid turret Apr 20, 2020, 3:41 AM

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Something to do with deflecting boiling blood and charming or something like that?

fallow niche Apr 20, 2020, 3:41 AM

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Defect anything while he's charmed

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It might work on any boss

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Or enemy for that matter

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 3:42 AM

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https://imgur.com/1MngaJ7
prob the only weapon on which tempest strike might work lul

Imgur

torpid turret Apr 20, 2020, 3:43 AM

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I use it on the bow sometimes

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 3:43 AM

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Yeah...ranged weapons can work with it

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but since rail don't have stagger, knockback will do

flat brook Apr 20, 2020, 3:43 AM

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with sea storm tempest strike can work with anything i guess

torpid turret Apr 20, 2020, 3:43 AM

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Pinball builds

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 3:44 AM

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yeah, I'm attempting season storm

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game give me zeus in the end shop in tartarus

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and 2bh....melee weapon even with sea storm prob still sucks with tempest strike

torpid turret Apr 20, 2020, 3:45 AM

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Whenever I end up starting with Poseidon I always just end up going cast build anyways

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 3:45 AM

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But i'd say, knocking them back into hazard bomb feels pretty fun

flat brook Apr 20, 2020, 3:45 AM

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i got today with the fists and it worked fine, although a bit underwhelming since it appeared to not work with the dash strikes

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 3:47 AM

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The dmg % really is a bit too low imo

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they should switch up the % rank from strike and flourish on poseidon

torpid turret Apr 20, 2020, 3:47 AM

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I feel like most the damage ends up coming from things like wall slams

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 3:48 AM

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yep, and imo that's not very reliable

torpid turret Apr 20, 2020, 3:49 AM

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Except in|| styx|| haha

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 3:49 AM

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Ahh f, the good ol' middle mngment medusa and skullcrasher

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oh that's not spoiler, it's gameplay, not story

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if u say ||cerberus being in styx waiting for u|| now that might be spoiler :p

torpid turret Apr 20, 2020, 3:49 AM

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Ah ok well just playing it safe

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 3:50 AM

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Welp, so far I've only not lost 1 dd to that medusa crasher combo on shield

torpid turret Apr 20, 2020, 3:50 AM

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I certainly wouldn't have wanted the last biome revealed to me before I saw it myself, but then again I wouldn't have been in this discord

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 3:50 AM

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otherwise, 1dd bye

torpid turret Apr 20, 2020, 3:51 AM

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||Dionysus is the worst god change my mind||

flat brook Apr 20, 2020, 3:52 AM

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for me ares is defo the worst, he's useless without the athena boon or hunting blades

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 3:52 AM

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Changed, now what

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KappaBloob

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Ares is baseline dmg provider

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he does not scale well, but he gives consistent dmg

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Also, side note, ever since I tried routine inspection, I reroll boons so much less now

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I have 5 rerolls saved on this run already

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yep i got seastorm

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time to melt

torpid turret Apr 20, 2020, 3:55 AM

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Yeah I wasn't a big Ares fan until hunting blades and merciful end so I agree

flat brook Apr 20, 2020, 3:55 AM

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sea storm feels like one of the cheapest duo boons imo, it just adds so much damage

torpid turret Apr 20, 2020, 3:55 AM

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But dio? I almost never make a dio build

flat brook Apr 20, 2020, 3:55 AM

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i also didnt like dio... but these days i got some really good dio builds, both attack and attack+cast with the legendary

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dio + aphro is quite good, i had dio attack and aphro dash

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then yesterday i had a dio attack and ccast with ice wine and dio legendary, i was taking almost no damage inside the fog

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 3:57 AM

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dio is pretty good on dash imo, and that's basically it

torpid turret Apr 20, 2020, 3:57 AM

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Good for priv status that's about it

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 3:57 AM

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nah

torpid turret Apr 20, 2020, 3:57 AM

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Sometimes I take premium vintage, thats about as useful as he gets for my runs

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 3:57 AM

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his dmg is actually twice of zeus

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per hit, ofc

flat brook Apr 20, 2020, 3:57 AM

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premium vintage is my most taken boon lol

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 3:58 AM

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same

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It's just good

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+75 max health over a run, and +1 random lvl

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why not

torpid turret Apr 20, 2020, 3:58 AM

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Black out is the dumbest legendary in the game, took me forever to get it for the prophecy

flat brook Apr 20, 2020, 3:59 AM

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i kinda like how it ties both dio "archetypes"

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like, ares' one is only for his blades, doom gets nothin

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somehow i managed to get black out before the demeter one, she never appears in my runs

winter birch Apr 20, 2020, 4:04 AM

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I do artemis basicall every run cus i love crits and its artemis and i still dont have fully loaded

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Im on run 50 lmao

torpid turret Apr 20, 2020, 4:06 AM

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Yeah, if you are just going for big crits with artemis you probably won't get it

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Since the path is the casts boons. Dual shot, Exit Wounds, then Fully Loaded

unkempt pagoda Apr 20, 2020, 4:07 AM

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imo black out is great

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powerful and marries the two main aspects of dio's tree, makes his whole setup feel unified

torpid turret Apr 20, 2020, 4:10 AM

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Never used it

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Got it for prophecy then ended the run immediately

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 4:26 AM

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And....yep I still have dash lag when holding down fire

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so that's 6 hades spin took for nothing

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@torpid turret doing a artemis attack fist run

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zag aspect, ofc

torpid turret Apr 20, 2020, 5:03 AM

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Let us know how it goes

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 5:15 AM

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or, just watch me go :p

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update rn is, patroclus saved run

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my graphics card is getting cooked by the crit markers tho

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yep, so cuz of the lag I can't dodge anything

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imma see if i can make it work

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nope, it's a 3 dd lost on first phase

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I think I dodged 2 out of 10 spins, cuz everything lags when I crit, lul

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 6:10 AM

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@torpid turret so, to make up for that disappointment, I bring u this
https://clips.twitch.tv/FuriousRoughFoxSwiftRage

Twitch

1 min +30% EM Theseus - Clip of soledad630 - Twitch Clips

Clip of soledad630 Playing Hades - Clipped by soledad630

▶ Play video

torpid turret Apr 20, 2020, 6:11 AM

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Watch in a bit

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gonna be attempting a 40heat twin fists run tonight

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 6:11 AM

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Do keep us updated

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If u can do 40, I can do 32 dusa

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yes I look low to myself

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https://imgur.com/9hpP7pu
That's the build, I forgot to link it...

Imgur

naive tusk Apr 20, 2020, 6:31 AM

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Take it easy 😅

stable onyx Apr 20, 2020, 6:55 AM

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so aspect of achilles bonus damage applies to all sources of damage?

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and is it only for the next hit after the rush or is it time based?

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 7:03 AM

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after rush, 2 instance of atk/cast dmg gets amped

rich cedar Apr 20, 2020, 7:35 AM

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How do you Guys get so many boons

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I get maybe half that

naive tusk Apr 20, 2020, 8:03 AM

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Taking all the doors with boon rewards and visiting Charon maybe?

stiff flume Apr 20, 2020, 8:17 AM

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its rng

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sometimes you just get 3 darkness/gems in a row

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something that helps a bit is not always going for charon, even if you have enough money to afford a boon

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just pick the other door instead and save your money, charon will appear again anyway

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and then you have a chance to buy 2 boons at once in 1 room

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or a boon + healing

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theres no real trick to getting more boons, its just what the game gives you

earnest ravine Apr 20, 2020, 8:20 AM

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Also once you get the abiltiy to reroll rooms, you stop getting forced into centaur hearts or money AS often.

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still happens but it's way easier to get super stacked runs.

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 8:43 AM

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https://imgur.com/Sj00yPm
Well...doom on rail special ain't that bad afterall

Imgur

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I managed to defeat theseus with cast curse from chaoes, so that's something

olive badge Apr 20, 2020, 9:34 AM

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I can't for the life of me use blizzard cast

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it always fiy out of bound

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but now that I see Stygian Soul

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it all makes sense

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 9:41 AM

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Well....I have had non-stygian soul blizzard cast games

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But this is ofc better

lethal crane Apr 20, 2020, 9:49 AM

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@rich cedar - my biggest advice for getting more boons: take any dual-boon room you get, even if it costs you something else that is good (like hermes or hammer). Depends on what you need, of course, but dual-boon rooms are the best I feel.

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And save that money for Styx, buy boons there, go for boon-rooms there.

dusky grove Apr 20, 2020, 9:55 AM

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So uh... any build for guan yu special ?

neon fiber Apr 20, 2020, 9:56 AM

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~~switching to the twin fists of malphon and grabbing the talos aspect~~

dusky grove Apr 20, 2020, 9:58 AM

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just a bit of word changing and it'll be thanos aspect

turbid needle Apr 20, 2020, 10:01 AM

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Look for Charged Skewer and Deadly Flourish.

rich cedar Apr 20, 2020, 10:16 AM

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@lethal crane I ahvent seen a dual boon room in like 3 runs now

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 10:16 AM

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or alternatively, Heartbreak/frost Flourish

rich cedar Apr 20, 2020, 10:16 AM

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yeah you want to focus on the spcial

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which is really strong

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 10:17 AM

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quick spin and divine strike can also work well for regen

olive badge Apr 20, 2020, 10:17 AM

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I mean

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usually when you build guan yu

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you think of the spin attack

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and not the special

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 10:17 AM

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nonononono

olive badge Apr 20, 2020, 10:18 AM

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though charged skewer + Artemis special is pretty good

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 10:18 AM

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u never spin unless u lose health

olive badge Apr 20, 2020, 10:18 AM

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but spin is 150 base damage

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 10:18 AM

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spin even with quick spin is still, imo really really low dps, unless u reliquish defensiveness of divine strike to go for zeus or something

olive badge Apr 20, 2020, 10:18 AM

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dusa

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 10:18 AM

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u need 1s self root for that 150 base dmg

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big nope

olive badge Apr 20, 2020, 10:18 AM

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I've always built artemis attack

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lmfao

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 10:19 AM

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well i sincerely hope it works against 40% OT

turbid needle Apr 20, 2020, 10:19 AM

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Guan Yu spin is its best build.

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 10:19 AM

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but from my experience, enemies overwhelm u like a joke

turbid needle Apr 20, 2020, 10:19 AM

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Divine Strike is an easy 32 Heat clear.

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Throw on a random core Artemis boon for Deadly Reversal and you have a walking invincible hitbox that can crit.

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Oh, and I tried Quick Spin Zeus, it's not good. Lightning Strike belongs on Flurry Jab, Malphon, and Exagryph.

olive badge Apr 20, 2020, 10:24 AM

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the spin only proc lighting once

turbid needle Apr 20, 2020, 10:24 AM

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Right, I think that was it.

gray lintel Apr 20, 2020, 12:00 PM

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lightning strike can work on bow too with twin strike

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 12:17 PM

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Prob should get tempest strike and sea storm combined instead

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bow base dmg is a bit wasted if not get a % on it

rich cedar Apr 20, 2020, 12:18 PM

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Always get aprhodite on bow attack

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 12:18 PM

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Nah, Demeter works too

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Aphro can be on other core boons

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10% difference on base, so at most 20% difference on epic unless u got lucky on heroic

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Stacking slow was pretty underrated imo

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I value the ability of stacking 40% slow better than a 30% dmg reduction, cuz it may very well be the difference between getting hit and not getting hit

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actually, full stack of chill is just negating FO 40, and u know how much difference that flipping heat option makes

gray lintel Apr 20, 2020, 12:31 PM

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Not exactly(unless it's additive)

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You only need about 28% slow to negate +40% speed increase.

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Against 140% speed enemies, 40% slow would mean they move at 84% of normal speed.

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 12:37 PM

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I think it's additive 2bh, but again, I might not be able to tell 84% from 100% since I havn't experienced plain 100% for a while

turbid needle Apr 20, 2020, 12:38 PM

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If slow works like damage, then boons will apply to pre-Heat values and then the Pact modifier adds based on that.

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 12:42 PM

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Wait, so that means weak works read bad against 100% hard labor?

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or u mean It's still overall dmg -30%

turbid needle Apr 20, 2020, 12:43 PM

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No, Weak is effective at any level of Hard Labor.

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Yes, it's still -30%.

stable onyx Apr 20, 2020, 12:49 PM

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i hate this

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my casts went out of my reach during hades fight

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so stupid

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had to wait for them to return

unborn trellis Apr 20, 2020, 12:52 PM

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when u aim at the dad
u best not miss

stable onyx Apr 20, 2020, 12:52 PM

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he teleported sadly

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or went invisible

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besides i had the demeter poseidon duo

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it wouldnt matter

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there shouldnt be a out of reach place

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 1:05 PM

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I think those areas are not sealed off for a very specific reason...

lethal crane Apr 20, 2020, 1:31 PM

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Anyone ever combined cluser + rockets?

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does it shoot 5 rockets? o.O

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on the railgun

turbid needle Apr 20, 2020, 1:32 PM

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Yes, it was used for one of the first 40 Heat clears.

lethal crane Apr 20, 2020, 1:32 PM

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so...guess i should take it?

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i got cluster and was offered the rocket

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not a big fan, but will try i guess

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dmg is already crazy

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oh but it shoots them everywhere :((

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well, its op while moving for sure

stable onyx Apr 20, 2020, 1:36 PM

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yes it is insane

gray lintel Apr 20, 2020, 1:52 PM

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@lethal crane i have before

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it shoots 5 rockets in like a 160 degree arc

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it fires in sequence so it's pretty hard to actually hit people with it being that the middle front firing rocket is delayed

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and you're not hitting people with multiples unless they're near walls or you shotgun them at point blank

lethal crane Apr 20, 2020, 1:54 PM

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Yea ok the damage is mad, I had posi on special + chaos increase, that's 350% extra to the base 100

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times 5

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with athena deflect

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madness

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i just tank stuff anyway so i melee-rocket papa

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https://imgur.com/s0zVUVy

Imgur

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Aspect of eris

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everything dies in seconds, hades included

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athena dash + expose and rupture on knockback ofc

flat brook Apr 20, 2020, 2:24 PM

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trying my first 32 heat, zeus gives me his epic attack on exagryph right out of the gate, let's see how it goes

flat brook Apr 20, 2020, 2:59 PM

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went to hades with 0 dds and died because i only had 2 dashes and couldnt dodge his spins 😦

proven tartan Apr 20, 2020, 3:02 PM

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got legendary boon before fighting with Megaera residentzag

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/638357994261839882/701809863881261086/unknown.png

proud storm Apr 20, 2020, 3:11 PM

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today i learned you could combine the rail's cluster bomb hammer with the rocket bomb one

mellow flume Apr 20, 2020, 3:12 PM

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I thought all hammer upgrades combine in all cases?

proud storm Apr 20, 2020, 3:13 PM

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no

mellow flume Apr 20, 2020, 3:13 PM

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wait no, some stygius upgrades wouldn't work then, like thrust attack boost + quick strikes (latter removes thrusts)

proud storm Apr 20, 2020, 3:13 PM

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some hammers can't be used depending on what weapon aspect you have or what hammer upgrade you already have

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literally firing 5 rockets at once that deal 400 damage each

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up to 2k per special if they all hit someone

flat brook Apr 20, 2020, 3:19 PM

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just got an unexpected sea storm in tartarus when i'm not even purposely going for poseidon/zeus lol https://i.imgur.com/UVWbozB.png

Imgur

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and now in the pre-fury charon shop LOL this is an interesting run https://i.imgur.com/XvFd5yP.png

Imgur

stiff flume Apr 20, 2020, 3:30 PM

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👀

dusky grove Apr 20, 2020, 3:38 PM

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dang

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guys, are companions that good ?

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have all but never use once XD

flat brook Apr 20, 2020, 3:40 PM

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i always use bouldy for the healing

mellow flume Apr 20, 2020, 3:41 PM

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and now in the pre-fury charon shop LOL this is an interesting run https://i.imgur.com/XvFd5yP.png
@flat brook and that was your last zeus boon :^]

Imgur

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at least that's how it goes for me, usually :0

dusky grove Apr 20, 2020, 3:41 PM

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:>

flat brook Apr 20, 2020, 3:41 PM

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thankfully not, i just reached styx and got to choose between the legendary and heroic attack, hard choices

dusky grove Apr 20, 2020, 3:42 PM

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thanthink

flat brook Apr 20, 2020, 3:42 PM

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i feel like my poseidon dash deals more damage than my stacked aphro attacks though lol

mellow flume Apr 20, 2020, 3:48 PM

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throw a screenshot in the end, that should be interesting :D

flat brook Apr 20, 2020, 3:49 PM

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First 32 heat clear, only took 8 DDs (praise patty) and crazy good rng https://i.imgur.com/FOYTPm6.png

Imgur

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there ya go 😄

proud storm Apr 20, 2020, 4:08 PM

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and with the fists no less

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this is so funny ||https://streamable.com/b6muid ||

Streamable

Hades 2020.04.20 - 18.03.35.01 - Streamable

▶ Play video

gray lintel Apr 20, 2020, 4:20 PM

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should be tagged spoilers I think due to where it starts :p

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(( and like, actual spoilered with the ||s ))

proud storm Apr 20, 2020, 4:21 PM

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not really a spoiler in this channel

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but i'll oblige

neon fiber Apr 20, 2020, 4:30 PM

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What the hell was that lmao

weak rivet Apr 20, 2020, 4:47 PM

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Nuclear warfare

eternal stag Apr 20, 2020, 4:51 PM

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absolutely wrecked

dusky grove Apr 20, 2020, 4:54 PM

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noice

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basically hacks XD

grand patrol Apr 20, 2020, 5:25 PM

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WOWWW

round summit Apr 20, 2020, 5:26 PM

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There was a run a did that basically had me deal 2k per cast, I had +2 casts thanks to Chaos, and I had Stygian Soul, so in less then 10 seconds I could deal around 15k damage in casts only

latent junco Apr 20, 2020, 5:26 PM

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for one of the shield hammer upgrades, it says attacks hit twice. I see dash-strike is not an attack or at least it must be one it's own, counted separately

round summit Apr 20, 2020, 5:27 PM

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That all thanks to Dio and Demeter duo

latent junco Apr 20, 2020, 5:27 PM

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but regular attacks and even bull rush counts

turbid needle Apr 20, 2020, 5:28 PM

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Can someone help me with the Orpheus quest

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I cannot find the contract in the Administrative Chambers

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How do I trigger the quest-related events?

round summit Apr 20, 2020, 5:30 PM

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sometimes you gotta wait and do your runs normally

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like a quest I had with Nyx

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I had to do around 6 runs to throw out new dialogue so the quest could progress

latent junco Apr 20, 2020, 5:30 PM

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am i correct in how the upgrade works?

turbid needle Apr 20, 2020, 5:31 PM

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It has been quite some time since I talked with Orpheus and nothing seems to happen so I was wondering whether I did sth wrong

round summit Apr 20, 2020, 5:31 PM

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am i correct in how the upgrade works?
I have no idea

neon fiber Apr 20, 2020, 5:31 PM

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speaking of nyx, she seems to have taken a like to blueballing me

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i've got all the reqs for her to give me the arthur aspect dialogue and she's still not popping out

round summit Apr 20, 2020, 5:31 PM

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It has been quite some time since I talked with Orpheus and nothing seems to happen so I was wondering whether I did sth wrong
@turbid needle what about Eurydice?

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speaking of nyx, she seems to have taken a like to blueballing me
@neon fiber Nyx has a LOT of dialogue, it takes a while to unlock anything with her really

turbid needle Apr 20, 2020, 5:32 PM

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I haven't been getting much of a dialogue with her

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I think I reached a point where I need to give her nectar or do her quest to get more dialogue

round summit Apr 20, 2020, 5:32 PM

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I haven't been getting much of a dialogue with her
you just need to get every new dialogue out of the way to be sure it'll work

turbid needle Apr 20, 2020, 5:32 PM

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Hmmm

round summit Apr 20, 2020, 5:32 PM

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and walk to Nyx

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talk*

turbid needle Apr 20, 2020, 5:33 PM

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I got her quest details but do those come first?

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Like do I have to do her quest first?

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She also gave me the Aspect of Arthur

round summit Apr 20, 2020, 5:33 PM

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you need to talk with the couple, then talk to Nyx until she tells you where Orpheus contract is

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then the house contractor will have the contract so you can buy it

turbid needle Apr 20, 2020, 5:34 PM

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Btw how much does it cost? Do you remember?

naive tusk Apr 20, 2020, 5:34 PM

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@turbid needle ||Nyx will tell you to find Orpheus’ papers in the Administrative Chamber after you speak with her a lot||

round summit Apr 20, 2020, 5:34 PM

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Btw how much does it cost? Do you remember?
I guess something around 5 diamonds

turbid needle Apr 20, 2020, 5:34 PM

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Oof

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I have 17 diamonds I think

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Still, an economical damage

latent junco Apr 20, 2020, 5:35 PM

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5

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yeah

round summit Apr 20, 2020, 5:35 PM

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You need to see the cost for ||Sisyphus|| contract, then you'll see what's truly expensive

neon fiber Apr 20, 2020, 5:35 PM

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no, no
i mean that as her literally being absent from the house for like two runs or so

round summit Apr 20, 2020, 5:35 PM

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no, no
i mean that as her literally being absent from the house for like two runs or so
that's plain bad luck bro

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I hate when it happens, and it happens a lot around here also

turbid needle Apr 20, 2020, 5:36 PM

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@round summit how much does that cost

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Do I have to pay in Ambrosa or sth

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o-o

round summit Apr 20, 2020, 5:38 PM

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@round summit how much does that cost
Straight up ||10 diamonds||

naive tusk Apr 20, 2020, 5:38 PM

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Start getting heated up for those bounties, mate 🔥

spare zealot Apr 20, 2020, 5:38 PM

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do you all like to use the infernal gates? I always look at them and they just don't seem too much fun. Do a no-damage chamber for a reward, eat dirt otherwise

round summit Apr 20, 2020, 5:39 PM

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I mean he ||pissed off Than and Hades|| all by himself, so I guess it's fair?

naive tusk Apr 20, 2020, 5:39 PM

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I do them in Tartarus and Asphodel. Elyssium only if I think I’m op enough or if it’s worth the trouble

round summit Apr 20, 2020, 5:39 PM

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do you all like to use the infernal gates? I always look at them and they just don't seem too much fun. Do a no-damage chamber for a reward, eat dirt otherwise
I like them as long as I have some good way to avoid people

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I still sisn't get heat enough to enter in Asphodel

naive tusk Apr 20, 2020, 5:39 PM

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~~I will have to lose 11 of them for a certain codex entry~~

latent junco Apr 20, 2020, 5:40 PM

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get corona virus

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social distancing keeps people away

round summit Apr 20, 2020, 5:40 PM

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But infernal gates is really only worth it if it isn't the fruit thing that I always forget the name

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social distancing keeps people away
If you want to win the game, you gotta play it smart

latent junco Apr 20, 2020, 5:41 PM

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i almost beat the final boss on 3 hp no DDs the whole fight with shield

spare zealot Apr 20, 2020, 5:41 PM

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poms

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pom pom pom poms

latent junco Apr 20, 2020, 5:41 PM

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i messed up at the very final few %

spare zealot Apr 20, 2020, 5:42 PM

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pomegranate. poms. pomspomspoms

round summit Apr 20, 2020, 5:42 PM

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i messed up at the very final few %
That's actually really impressive

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how much heat?

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pomegranate. poms. pomspomspoms
I do not like getting poms

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it's the second least of my priorities, just before Darkness

spare zealot Apr 20, 2020, 5:44 PM

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Really? Below gems and keys?

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poms are huge for runs

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especially for levels 1-2/3 of a boon

naive tusk Apr 20, 2020, 5:46 PM

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Poms can be good on boons with good scaling

spare zealot Apr 20, 2020, 5:46 PM

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For me gems are dead last. you only get 5 gems and after awhile they're just nice for making hades crappy house look nice

round summit Apr 20, 2020, 5:46 PM

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Really? Below gems and keys?
Gems = +20 Obol
Keys = +1 fated thing

naive tusk Apr 20, 2020, 5:46 PM

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Especially if you are doing a cast heavy run

round summit Apr 20, 2020, 5:47 PM

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I like poms if I have an Artemis boon

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only then I go after poms

spare zealot Apr 20, 2020, 5:47 PM

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the fact that you can actually spend time fixing up the home is the funniest thing to me. Ah yes. I want to escape this hellhole ASAP. Let me make it look nice for my dad who keeps trying to kill me

latent junco Apr 20, 2020, 5:48 PM

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while also repeatedly destroying it every run

round summit Apr 20, 2020, 5:48 PM

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the fact that you can actually spend time fixing up the home is the funniest thing to me. Ah yes. I want to escape this hellhole ASAP. Let me make it look nice for my dad who keeps trying to kill me
He actually says he's doing it for the people he's leaving behind

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I think he says it either to Meg or to Dusa

spare zealot Apr 20, 2020, 5:48 PM

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ah does he? I either missed that line or haven't gotten it yet

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That makes sense. He's actually rather altruistic to pretty much everybody but dad

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even meg, who also tries to kill him

latent junco Apr 20, 2020, 5:49 PM

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guys i have a question

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why was ||meg in my bedroom||

unkempt pagoda Apr 20, 2020, 5:49 PM

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what option did you choose

spare zealot Apr 20, 2020, 5:50 PM

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thats probably best for #h1-story-discussion

round summit Apr 20, 2020, 5:50 PM

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why was ||meg in my bedroom||
That's a secret

latent junco Apr 20, 2020, 5:50 PM

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don't be a hypocrite, you guys were spoiling stuff for the past hour

naive tusk Apr 20, 2020, 5:51 PM

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Story spoilers go in #h1-story-discussion . Gameplay mechanics are discussed here

latent junco Apr 20, 2020, 5:52 PM

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oh so the administrative chamber with orpheus' documents are totally not spoilers or story related

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got it

unkempt pagoda Apr 20, 2020, 5:52 PM

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???

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you can still have the conversation, just in a different channel

latent junco Apr 20, 2020, 5:53 PM

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yeah ok and?

neon fiber Apr 20, 2020, 5:53 PM

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why was ||meg in my room||

latent junco Apr 20, 2020, 5:53 PM

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don't call me out and single me out if everyone else was spoiling stuff

naive tusk Apr 20, 2020, 5:53 PM

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They were asking how to trigger it. If you want to discuss story elements in further detail, go to the appropriate channel

neon fiber Apr 20, 2020, 5:54 PM

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when a man and a ||woman with a whip|| love eachother very very much...

naive tusk Apr 20, 2020, 5:54 PM

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And please, remember rule #1

latent junco Apr 20, 2020, 6:29 PM

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deep pockets or golden touch?

naive tusk Apr 20, 2020, 6:31 PM

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Either works depending on your way of spending obols

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I personally go Golden Touch

latent junco Apr 20, 2020, 6:31 PM

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is there an efficient way of spending them, going to shops, etc?

naive tusk Apr 20, 2020, 6:33 PM

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Buying only what you need, skip buying hammers or Hermes’ boons because they are expensive and you are bound to get them through rewards anyways

latent junco Apr 20, 2020, 6:34 PM

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how about when i should go in shops, or buy well boons?

naive tusk Apr 20, 2020, 6:36 PM

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Go shopping if you only need healing. Other than that, if you want to be efficient with your spending, pick the other room with a free reward. Visit Charon only when it’s the only way to proceed

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Once you are happy with your savings, you may buy other stuff like Prometheus Stones, Yarn of Ariadne, Centaur Hearts, etc

latent junco Apr 20, 2020, 6:39 PM

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you don't buy the attack or cast damage boons from the well, right?

naive tusk Apr 20, 2020, 6:40 PM

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You can buy them if you want. Just don’t go into shopping sprees unless you don’t care much about savings. With Golden Touch active, I only buy stuff essential to me, like only buying boons from the god starring my build, centaur hearts/healing, and the buff for my main damage source (attack or cast)

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You can also pick the Bone Hourglass to make the buffs last longer

latent junco Apr 20, 2020, 6:44 PM

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do you use that?

naive tusk Apr 20, 2020, 6:45 PM

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Yeah, usually when entering Elysium or Styx

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I like to equip the purse when I start Tartarus for extra spending power as well

latent junco Apr 20, 2020, 6:48 PM

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so do i

neon fiber Apr 20, 2020, 6:50 PM

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yeah, it's generally not that worth it to buy half the stuff on the shop before elysium since you'll meet patto in there

latent junco Apr 20, 2020, 6:50 PM

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do you ever buy the hermes boon in styx?

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what does patto have to do with anything?

neon fiber Apr 20, 2020, 6:51 PM

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he gives you ||buffed versions of the items you just mentioned for free||

latent junco Apr 20, 2020, 6:51 PM

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ah ok

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and about the hermes boon in styx?

neon fiber Apr 20, 2020, 6:52 PM

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as per hermes, it usually ignore him unless i really really need one of his boons

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same for most gods

latent junco Apr 20, 2020, 6:52 PM

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i am never able to afford the most expensive option in styx

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i also don't know what kind of builds i can make with certain boons, weapons, upgrades, etc

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too much stuff to learn

neon fiber Apr 20, 2020, 6:53 PM

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builds aren't that hard to make, you just need to see what each god offers and grab what clicks with you the most

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it's less about knowing and more about experimenting

latent junco Apr 20, 2020, 6:54 PM

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is that demeter crystal cast any good?

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i never pick it up, but it seems nice

neon fiber Apr 20, 2020, 6:55 PM

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if you know how to use it properly yes, you can deal some serious damage with the cast turrets

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problem is that the beams turn pretty slow so it won't really work for most enemies

kindred bolt Apr 20, 2020, 6:57 PM

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i personally don't like it much, especially vs hades

neon fiber Apr 20, 2020, 7:08 PM

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Yeah, it’ll probably get messy

latent junco Apr 20, 2020, 7:10 PM

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the splitting bolt boon from zeus, what is the additional burst exactly?

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oh i think i see it

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when i have the lightning dash boon, my god it procs all the time, and the double lightning proc too, jeez

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does double lightning proc 2 bursts?

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it would make sense if it did

proven tartan Apr 20, 2020, 7:27 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/638357994261839882/701876597396996196/unknown.png

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it hurts

latent junco Apr 20, 2020, 7:28 PM

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i bought literally everthing in the styx shop lol

tranquil lava Apr 20, 2020, 7:29 PM

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Does artemis dash strike work with bow power shot?

unkempt pagoda Apr 20, 2020, 7:33 PM

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only if you use the bow's dash attack (which has a faster charge)

tranquil lava Apr 20, 2020, 7:34 PM

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kk yeah i noticed the charge time was altered

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does dash attack scale with attack damage as well?

unkempt pagoda Apr 20, 2020, 7:35 PM

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yep! for most things, dash attack is treated as another form for the regular attack

latent junco Apr 20, 2020, 7:35 PM

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what spear aspects are generally pretty good?

unkempt pagoda Apr 20, 2020, 7:36 PM

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the only time it's not is when a description specifies a dash attack, or you're in the hammer menu (in which case, attack and dash strike are considered separate things)

tranquil lava Apr 20, 2020, 7:38 PM

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So would normal attack affect something like dash attack 3 hit from the spear?

unkempt pagoda Apr 20, 2020, 7:39 PM

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say you got aphrodite's attack boon, that would affect spear's dash attack (including that hammer upgrade, yes)

neon fiber Apr 20, 2020, 7:39 PM

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@proven tartan oof

tranquil lava Apr 20, 2020, 7:41 PM

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yup thats what I meant thank you much

flat brook Apr 20, 2020, 8:09 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/638357994261839882/701876597396996196/unknown.png
@proven tartan ouch, still, very impressive to have that offered already in tartarus

proven tartan Apr 20, 2020, 8:15 PM

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Maybe its just offers boon that have the lowest tier?

flat brook Apr 20, 2020, 8:17 PM

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afaik it's random, you just were extremely unlucky

latent junco Apr 20, 2020, 8:44 PM

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tfw you need two final hammer upgrades for fists and both show up at the same time on one hammer

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fml

neon fiber Apr 20, 2020, 8:46 PM

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i feel ya

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had the same happen with the sord

latent junco Apr 20, 2020, 8:47 PM

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did you know that the fist upgrade of where you land with your special attack is affected by special attack damage modifiers?

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and i mean the explosion itself

neon fiber Apr 20, 2020, 8:48 PM

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i did not

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weird

latent junco Apr 20, 2020, 8:49 PM

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it's because it is a part of the special attack itself

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it modifies it in a way

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so it makes sense the explosion itself is also modified by damage increases

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i always wondered why it did more damage sometimes, so i looked it up on the wiki

tepid ridge Apr 20, 2020, 8:51 PM

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Wait, explosive uppercut or whatever it’s called is considered part of the special and not just a 40-ish damage explosion?? That’s good to know, thanks! I usually pass on it because it’s slow to hit with but at least it has boons going for it.

latent junco Apr 20, 2020, 8:52 PM

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yup, it counts

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i tested it now after getting demeter special chill

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it does 88 damage now without blood cast

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also

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if you use the magnetic fist, it's super useful for a few reasons

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cast damage, the pull itself can be used to pull an enemy into a trap of any kind

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oh and before i forget

tepid ridge Apr 20, 2020, 8:55 PM

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Demeter is busted but talos just looks hilarious and is build flexible

latent junco Apr 20, 2020, 8:55 PM

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whenever you do the uppercut of the fist weapon you can keep attacking while in midair, so it'll still land the explosion and the full damage

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while doing normal attacks

fair jacinth Apr 20, 2020, 8:59 PM

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does anyone know if the hermes keepsake's buff stays after you switch it? the feather one

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guess I can ask the same thing about the butterfly

tepid ridge Apr 20, 2020, 9:00 PM

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Neither bonuses remain after you switch the keepsake

fair jacinth Apr 20, 2020, 9:00 PM

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so in order to use it properly you have to keep it for the whole run?

tepid ridge Apr 20, 2020, 9:01 PM

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Or to get a boost for a floor before moving on, but essentially yes. I prefer forcing boons and using defensive trinkets in the lategame but some people swear by butterfly and plume

latent junco Apr 20, 2020, 9:09 PM

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what boons do you generally force?

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@tepid ridge

tepid ridge Apr 20, 2020, 9:10 PM

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Pressure points lmao. The crits work in literally every build I could imagine. Usually I just try to force gods (and duos) in general, I can't stand when my roguelites become a formula of getting certain items but that boon is an exception if I can pick it up.

latent junco Apr 20, 2020, 9:11 PM

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is there a way i can remember which gods give which duo boons?

proud storm Apr 20, 2020, 9:12 PM

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there's a chart somewhere i believe

tepid ridge Apr 20, 2020, 9:12 PM

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There's a prophecy for it, but it doesn't help with much more than jogging your memory if you already know them. In-game, I would think the wiki is the best option

proud storm Apr 20, 2020, 9:12 PM

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otherwise it's all practice and playtime

tranquil lava Apr 20, 2020, 9:13 PM

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https://imgur.com/a/thhCkRI

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oops thats just aphro

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https://imgur.com/a/thhCkRI

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that should work

latent junco Apr 20, 2020, 9:15 PM

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oh god why is it black and white

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i have extremely poor vision as it is

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this is just insult to injury lol

tranquil lava Apr 20, 2020, 9:16 PM

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I think there was a color one lol

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https://imgur.com/a/YCAfGan

neon fiber Apr 20, 2020, 9:17 PM

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Man, been trying arthur and that thing is brutal

latent junco Apr 20, 2020, 9:18 PM

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ah great, now my dad's gonna question my sexuality with all these damn rainbows

neon fiber Apr 20, 2020, 9:18 PM

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Takes a room or two getting used to but man that thing is murder on wheels

latent junco Apr 20, 2020, 9:18 PM

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@neon fiber if you can stack a bunch of damage ups like i once did you can nearly instant phase the final boss with a shadow stab backstab blood in him

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i was doing like 2k+ crits before hydra

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about 8k+ at the final boss

neon fiber Apr 20, 2020, 9:19 PM

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Yeah no kidding
no wonder it takes that long to unlock, if you time it right you can nuke half the room with a well placed swipe

latent junco Apr 20, 2020, 9:20 PM

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put down the aura from that aspect and the final boss is like WHAT IS THIS CRAP?! I CAN'T FREAKING SHOOT YOU!

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proceeds to run circles around every projectile in the game

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anyway, going to record a run or two

tranquil lava Apr 20, 2020, 9:27 PM

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is there like a average baseline of heat that people use to kinda of gauge loadoats?

latent junco Apr 20, 2020, 9:27 PM

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you can do any kind of run as long as you are skilled enough

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i've seen people beat the game on the very first run on a new save file

tranquil lava Apr 20, 2020, 9:27 PM

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dunno if that really makes sense but like to see if strats are viable like 12 heat maybe

neon fiber Apr 20, 2020, 9:29 PM

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ooooh projectiles slow down inside the aura too

latent junco Apr 20, 2020, 9:30 PM

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@south comet hey, in the #self-promotion channel, can i post my stream in there?

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i just am asking because i don't wanna annoy anyone or break any rules

south comet Apr 20, 2020, 9:31 PM

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You can!

naive tusk Apr 20, 2020, 9:31 PM

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Yes, you can squirtyay

latent junco Apr 20, 2020, 9:32 PM

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ok, thanks!

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posting in a sec

naive tusk Apr 20, 2020, 9:36 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/608403611151761438/701909198983659591/AAA.png

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The start of run with something I haven't tried before. So far, so fun squirtyay

latent junco Apr 20, 2020, 9:42 PM

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@naive tusk hey can i ask one other question?

naive tusk Apr 20, 2020, 9:42 PM

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Sure! Ask away!

latent junco Apr 20, 2020, 9:42 PM

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is this speed good for streaming? https://imgur.com/a/dScvQfh

Imgur

naive tusk Apr 20, 2020, 9:43 PM

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Ooh, I wouldn't know about that. You could ask someone who streams for that matter. Sorry I can't be of help failbag

latent junco Apr 20, 2020, 9:44 PM

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it's ok, thank you

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i am just nervous as always, i have autism and am shy around people

acoustic nova Apr 20, 2020, 9:44 PM

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Chaos aspect aegis feels like cheating

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aegis on a whole is very very easy

latent junco Apr 20, 2020, 9:45 PM

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i survived on 3 hp at the final boss for both phases and nearly killed him

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until i messed up once and died

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literally 0 DDs left, i almost no hit that fudger, lol

acoustic nova Apr 20, 2020, 9:46 PM

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nice

naive tusk Apr 20, 2020, 9:46 PM

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It's ok! Play as you would normally and take it easy squirtyay

acoustic nova Apr 20, 2020, 9:46 PM

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for me, it's back to varatha runs

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I just like the spear

latent junco Apr 20, 2020, 9:48 PM

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you pull out your stick so the final boss pulls out an even bigger one

round summit Apr 20, 2020, 9:49 PM

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with an extra blade depending on the aspect

acoustic nova Apr 20, 2020, 9:49 PM

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aspect of hades one true aspect

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even though it kinda... sucks compared to other ones

round summit Apr 20, 2020, 9:50 PM

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The best weapons in the game, for me, is Bow and Shield

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they're easy and REALLY fun

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 9:50 PM

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funnily, for me, bow is worst, shield is best

acoustic nova Apr 20, 2020, 9:50 PM

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nah, best weapon is the shield by far. Super easy

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bow is great

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 9:50 PM

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nah, I sincerely hate self-root of any kind

acoustic nova Apr 20, 2020, 9:50 PM

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I use bow + hera aspect

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for cast builds

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big numbers!

round summit Apr 20, 2020, 9:51 PM

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I use Hera bow every run

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real good

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 9:51 PM

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I mean, yes that aspect is fine, but other 2 are very limiting

acoustic nova Apr 20, 2020, 9:51 PM

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yeah

round summit Apr 20, 2020, 9:51 PM

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if you do a Dio Cast on it, man...

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 9:51 PM

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and if I really want large numbers on cast, I'll get achilles

acoustic nova Apr 20, 2020, 9:51 PM

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hera bow, artemis boons, some +cast from master chaos. it's beautiful

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 9:52 PM

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2k+ 2-phase damage, on 1 button click

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that's achilles

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armor is a joke for that too since, u know, 2-phase

round summit Apr 20, 2020, 9:52 PM

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I still need to try some other aspects

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I've being playing with the same ones for a looong time

acoustic nova Apr 20, 2020, 9:52 PM

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I just play hades spear haha. even though it's not that great

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 9:52 PM

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hmm lemme shameless self-promote this clip to lure u guys into the best aspect

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oh hades i thought it's bad

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but it's fine

acoustic nova Apr 20, 2020, 9:53 PM

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hades spear, hera bow, poseidon sword

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and EX-CALIBUUUUUUR

round summit Apr 20, 2020, 9:53 PM

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Hades isn't the worst really

acoustic nova Apr 20, 2020, 9:53 PM

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it's not

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I love it

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 9:53 PM

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hades is situational

round summit Apr 20, 2020, 9:53 PM

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we have that aspect of reloading your gun

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 9:53 PM

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and u need hammers

acoustic nova Apr 20, 2020, 9:53 PM

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but it's not that hot compared to the other aspects

round summit Apr 20, 2020, 9:53 PM

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to have only a single shot empowered

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 9:53 PM

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hestia is very high skill

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and flexible

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but that doesn't win 30+

round summit Apr 20, 2020, 9:54 PM

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hestia is very high skill
I hate it too much

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bc it's too hard for me still having to reaload

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 9:54 PM

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I use to hate it, now I see it as a chanllenge

round summit Apr 20, 2020, 9:54 PM

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I'm really not used to it

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 9:54 PM

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Oh, set reload to a mouse side key

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easy

acoustic nova Apr 20, 2020, 9:54 PM

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excalibur is a lot of fun. A lot more fun than I expected

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 9:54 PM

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and about that shameless clip to lure u guys...
https://www.twitch.tv/soledad630/clip/FuriousRoughFoxSwiftRage

Twitch

1 min +30% EM Theseus - Clip of soledad630 - Twitch Clips

Clip of soledad630 Playing Hades - Clipped by soledad630

▶ Play video

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excal suits dmg reduction build btw

acoustic nova Apr 20, 2020, 9:55 PM

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you know what really works with excal, surprisingly? The lifedrain hammer

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you really can't die if on the field

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add some demeter cheese, and that's your build

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 9:56 PM

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yes and no 2bh

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I thought it's bad cuz the lifesteal is way slower

neon fiber Apr 20, 2020, 9:56 PM

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Yeah, the impact from the -hp penalty is also lessened by arthur’s innate bonus too probably

round summit Apr 20, 2020, 9:56 PM

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and about that shameless clip to lure u guys...
This clip just shows you how much Dio + Demeter duo is broken af

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done

acoustic nova Apr 20, 2020, 9:57 PM

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yeah

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dio demeter, let's not go there lol

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 9:57 PM

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actually, I clear rooms instantly without the duo anyways

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well, near instantly

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but u know what I mean

acoustic nova Apr 20, 2020, 9:57 PM

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just plain old demeter, excal, whatever else you like

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and lifedrain

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 9:58 PM

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side note, Lifesteal on excal works, but only in low heat, if u don't get any other dmg negation

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Otherwise, the higher hard labor u has, the more dmg negation u need

acoustic nova Apr 20, 2020, 9:58 PM

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yeah you need some more stuff

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or evasion

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or whatever

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 9:58 PM

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But, once stacked up, u are invincible

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AND, u need that +30% attack speed

acoustic nova Apr 20, 2020, 9:58 PM

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but I've found that just slowing them down if better than stacking reduction boons

round summit Apr 20, 2020, 9:58 PM

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man having Chaos shield + poseidon special + Zeus and Poseidon duo may take out a lot of stuff

acoustic nova Apr 20, 2020, 9:59 PM

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zeus and poseidon duo is my favorite.

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 9:59 PM

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cursed strike's self-regen rely heavily on damage negation and attack speed

acoustic nova Apr 20, 2020, 9:59 PM

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it's just so silly

round summit Apr 20, 2020, 9:59 PM

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you get jolted and boom

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 9:59 PM

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which is why i always take bracelet with it

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or armlet, i forgot which

acoustic nova Apr 20, 2020, 9:59 PM

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what does it do

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I don't know their names 🙂

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 10:00 PM

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30% dmg negation from the front

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busted af

acoustic nova Apr 20, 2020, 10:00 PM

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ah alright

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yeah

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with excal I also take that

round summit Apr 20, 2020, 10:00 PM

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Normally I always aim on having Hermes gimme attack speed or evasion

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 10:00 PM

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yep it's just -50% dmg instantly

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well, 60%, technicaly

round summit Apr 20, 2020, 10:00 PM

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so Arthur just gets broken real easy

acoustic nova Apr 20, 2020, 10:00 PM

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eeeh

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yeah

round summit Apr 20, 2020, 10:00 PM

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and right now every run I'm focusing on having Dio + Poseidon duo

acoustic nova Apr 20, 2020, 10:01 PM

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you can also get 2k crits pretty damn easy on it

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on swords, I play poseidon a lot more

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getting the gems out with special is just great. I don't have to pray for hermes and chaos boons

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 10:02 PM

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poseidon is heavily reliant on fluury cast Imo

acoustic nova Apr 20, 2020, 10:02 PM

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I just mash the button lol

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 10:02 PM

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epic flurry cast is auto win

acoustic nova Apr 20, 2020, 10:02 PM

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I wouldn't say heavily reliant. But true that it's a monster with epic flurry

naive laurel Apr 20, 2020, 10:02 PM

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point is, If on 40 ot, flurry make sure u perma stagger them with cast

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Yeah, do pardon my lack of context, I got used to think mostly for 40 ot now

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the true new-game Plus

acoustic nova Apr 20, 2020, 10:03 PM

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40 ot?