as long as u have the boon, ofc
#h1-builds-and-combat
naive laurel
lament coral
if it says lightning, it jolts
naive laurel
Yeah, so it's fine dmg
quartz crow
3 athenas in styx seriously...
naive laurel
I once got 3 abscure sources of lightning and jolted, still works well
I'd love to see more ahtena in styx bro
dd from a boon? why not
turbid needle
Gone are the days of throwing 3 Blade Rifts and adding 600 DPS.
quartz crow
i forgot to switch to authority btw
i have an idea
find a well that sells upgraded rarity then buy hermes
serene jolt
I consider lightning rod the weakest duo
dense locust
I don't find keeping jolted up on enemies all that hard for most of the builds I use with it, but I can imagine with zeus legendary on chiron bow with artemis special, freak accident could be a lot of fun
@naive laurel I've had a 32 heat run salvaged because athena gave me 2 dds in styx
It is the weakest duo
its nearly useless
If it did 500 damage or something a lot more than it does now, it could be good
shadow oriole
jsut make it do the damage while the bloodstone is stuck in the enemy and its great
dense locust
That too, but it would make stygian soul even more over powered
turbid needle
Lightning bolts on lodged enemies, or "active" Bloodstones in the case of the other three Casts.
naive laurel
Curse of Longing, Lightning Phalanx and Spent Spirit imo are worse than lightning rod
shadow oriole
curse of longing seems pretty good to me
dense locust
Those duos are also bad, but they provide a least a little bit
turbid needle
You just suddenly don't have to worry about getting hit by Bloodstones in the final boss fight (which is their scariest aspect).
It also makes Styx a lot less scary.
The timing changes, yeah, but being able to more reliably dodge Satyr darts is huge.
dense locust
that's a good point, those satyr darts can be nasty when you're at a hight heat and there a ton of them
shadow oriole
the rats that just bite you out of no where are the worst part of styx. trigger the traps, and cover the ground in poison its BS
serene jolt
I can see curse of longing being good...
Recommend an Ares build to me
turbid needle
1.1 or 1.6 seconds.
shadow oriole
so its like 25% extra on doom then? thats not bad
turbid needle
Curse of Longing is a good way to keep Privileged Status on a hardened enemy for a long time if you have Empty Inside.
dense locust
could be okay with the boon that extends weak I suppose, at least it'll actually provide damage vs lightning rod
turbid needle
Damage almost invariably falls off into single digits by the third or fourth pulse.
dense locust
oh its 25% of each consecutive instance?
wtf?
Oh yeah sure enough it says so on the wiki
even if that wasn't the case, it'd still be bad
quartz crow
doesn't replenish mean you don't gain??
shadow oriole
yeah its not great but 25% extra on doom is probably enough to kill most low to medium health enemies in like 2 doom procs
dense locust
Assuming 100 doom, it goes from 25 damage the first tick, 6.25 the second...
quartz crow
oh wait im dumb i already have deflect on somewhere useful (2 repleneshis varients vs duo. thought only deflect was after taking a hit)
dense locust
oof okay I agree, lightning rod is better than curse of longing
naive laurel
Curse of longing is equvilant to 33% doom dmg increase if it applies indefinitely
which is...barely anything
dense locust
These are all duos which i only pick up in order to sell
I haven't used lightning phalanx in forever, but it never felt totally useless
naive laurel
"pick up in order to sell" is definitely something i have missed
on a side note, imo convenience fee should also increase sell price by 20/40%
quartz crow
30% faster attack, special or 2.5 sec quick reload?
naive laurel
100% faster atk, unless u doing full cast build
Like I said before, u can literally just go artemis cast and nothing invested in cast, and u'll fight boss way easier than any other cast
oh, if atk/special, depends on build
quartz crow
i got twin shot and special is kind of slow but i can use it enough
double dmg on powershot but ive been killing with the seekers which is funny
naive laurel
what is your main dmg source
quartz crow
cast so cast
naive laurel
not entirely
quartz crow
finally a call
naive laurel
how many cast stones do u have matters too
if u got 2 cast stones while also dependant on other dmg sources, the cdr on cast doesn't matter
quartz crow
like 3
naive laurel
3? then don't take it
quartz crow
too late
naive laurel
Oh I forgot @dense locust Cold Fusion is worse too
i thought spent spirit was my 3rd worst,i guess it's 4th
naive laurel
cold fusion has almost no meaning of existing other than u got some non-constant lightning source and on a brainded moment decide to get jolted for it
shadow oriole
cold fusion is great. it can add a lot of damage to a build, especially if your source of jolted is slow or unreliable
naive laurel
cold fusion only works when u have a, say, very rarely applied lightning, and with that, u won't get jolted
because it won't always be on
dense locust
Well i suppose cold fusion allows you to hit them and then run for your life
turbid needle
No, it's for all attacks, including when you have any amount of down time, as well as a more defensive option.
shadow oriole
it happens to me all the time. if its on rail or fists special then it lets you get jolted on every attack pretty easily
naive laurel
yes, but if u got a constantly applied lightning, cold fusion is basically wasted
dense locust
Yeah, the point was that most builds using lightning will be applying jolted almost 100% of the time
but for those that don't, its good, and better than lightning rod imo
shadow oriole
yeah if its from attack or something I spam sure, but ill pick up jolted basically every time I see it
naive laurel
yeah, but like I said, why would one pick jolted when their lightning is not applied most of the time
dense locust
to get to that legendary? idk
naive laurel
idk either
shadow oriole
its better then most zues boons
dense locust
Honestly, the only time I use zeus is for attack on rail
naive laurel
it's like, going for something underpar just to get it slightly better than usual boons
2 boons combined makes it good as 2 normal boons, that doesn't feel right
quartz crow
he didn't even get to put the green things out and didn't lose a single DD (first time that's happend on gmode)
dense locust
Idk, i just find myself only wanting a zeus boon if its for attack on rail. For every other slot on every other weapon, I want something other than zeus
naive laurel
double strike is fine, clouded judgement goes well with bellowing strength, which is op on its own
dense locust
Well, if I do have zeus attack, then I will dip into zeus boons
naive laurel
oh I want bellowing strength every flipping run
and iirc it's just tier 1, prereq is any call
zeus has good options even when lightning is rarely applied like his call, which makes jolted only a good option when lightning is frequent
quartz crow
now just rail left. im learning ok... i just want to max everything before turning gmode off. or atleast til im confident on not getting hit
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/695769434941554792/700292695146496000/unknown.png
dense locust
true, he does have some pretty good non-core boons
dense locust
It is still additive damage though i believe
naive laurel
with calls that does not require full gauge, it's pretty much almost always on with any kinda of gauge gain bonus
yeah, but it boosts all sources, similar to 2nd rail aspect
sadly high rarity doesn't boost its numbers much
dense locust
for sure, it's free damage for all sources
I honestly really like call related boons
The one that charges it faster when dealing damage
naive laurel
imo hermes has one of the most op call-related boon
dense locust
Second wind
naive laurel
yep
dense locust
is s tier
naive laurel
whoever thinks 30% on common is fine for flipping 15s is, ugh
naive laurel
btw, i think doing dmg into more gauge gain is zeus
quartz crow
i !@$#%#%^#$^#$^ keep forgetting to use Rib
naive laurel
zeus is both dealing and taking dmg, while poseidon is taking dmg but as high as 60%
quartz crow
also it's not fair his laser beam attack stays on you
naive laurel
I think i once got 1 use of a call from a single hit cuz of these 2 combined
1 use, not a full use
dense locust
The two of those boons together, along with second wind and something like athena call makes you nearly invul
naive laurel
yeah ,i think I'll try it sometime
u want more enemies to give u more gauge gain tho
dense locust
Abusing call against hades is something I rely on. Just using it to dodge an attack that you don't think you can dash out of is huge
naive laurel
Usually that's why when i go for cursed slash I tend to go 60% summons
Oh yeah that's imo the best
also, I'm still not sure if greater call gives iframes
dense locust
I rarely save it up for the full charge
It's why I almost only take call if its athena, poseidon, ares, or aphrodite
either invul or disruption in the case of aphro
naive laurel
Ugh, I've been using all calla recently
lament coral
it gives you increased dodge chance
quartz crow
is this like a trend in gaming? stacking dmg shows an hp bar turning a diff color then it depletes
dense locust
The only time ill take anyone else is if im desperate in styx
lament coral
@quartz crow that's been a thing for decades
naive laurel
zeus/dionysus is very good supplementary dmg
quartz crow
you mean decade
naive laurel
Oh and I remembered why I like bellowing strength that much
It boosts call dmg too, which is rare
turbid needle
Aspect of Achilles?
dusky grove
yea
naive laurel
nah it's only atk or cast
dusky grove
oh
naive laurel
call dmg boost is usually limited to "all dmg" boost
dusky grove
Heard smt like bonus damge to all type
turbid needle
Aspect of Eris boosts all damage.
dusky grove
60%
naive laurel
And I usually take zeus/dio call for It cuz of that
dense locust
Achilles ice wine build is one of my new favorites
dense locust
Haven't tried it at a serious heat but it sure is fun to farm darkness with
I got ice wine almost to 2k a cast with all my buffs on
naive laurel
That sounds not op at all
But Imagine achilles 5 cast stone exit wounds double cast srtemis cast, with Stygian soul
dense locust
Oh I did an artemis cast build as well
the problem is you have to charge up the cast after 2 casts
But I was doing 2.5k crits there
very fun
these are all no heat of course
dense locust
Yeah i guess if you've got 5 stygian soul
You can barely use them as fast as they recharge
It's a great dodge
I wonder how athena works on it
if you you're just a flying deflection zag
turbid needle
"So this is how Superman feels."
quartz crow
it's funny when you walk around the house in zag stygius
"walk"
also can't see keyboard in this darkness. nyx must be here
dusky grove
lel
quartz crow
rng isn't nice. what is this?https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/695769434941554792/700298241878786129/unknown.png
turbid needle
Dire Snakestone.
quartz crow
i could have sworn i killed a dire snakestone
naive laurel
Yep
quartz crow
or can the boss room spawn an elite one
quartz crow
i killed the vermin once
naive laurel
It lokmoks purple too, Iirc
lament coral
hm, good question
quartz crow
they should make all dires stronger
lament coral
no thanks
lament coral
middle management exists already
quartz crow
those things are just guarenteed spawns
nothing special about them
i saw hades spawn a megagorden for each phase -_-
dense locust
So flying cutter with demeter aspect is pretty much at odds with eachother?
dense locust
Charge special to launch forward for up to 200% damage
on fists
But when you press special to charge flying cutter, it unleashes the charges from demeter aspect
Waot
wait
now its not
i may be mistaken
Idk im confused. Most of the time, if i press and hold down the button for special, he releases the charged demeter special and then begins charging for flying cutter
But not all of the time....
It appears that if I'm close enough, the demeter aspect part won't be released when I try and charge cutter, but if i'm far enough away, the demeter aspect gets released and then I begin charging cutter
quartz crow
idk if im reading the diagram correctly but does this mean i need dual shot or true shot to get exit wounds but i need dual shot to get fully loaded
it wouldn't let me put it in the same msg 😦
dense locust
Lol taking life affirmation from chiron and then immediately grabbing the heart didn't register the life affirmation boon
quartz crow
hunter dash > dual shot > exit wounds > fully loaded
@dense locust you said a typo was wrong
it's fixed
dense locust
?
dense locust
I said a typo was wrong?
quartz crow
no you said it was wrong and confusing then i noticed i goofed
idk if im reading the diagram correctly but does this mean i need dual shot or true shot to get exit wounds but i need dual shot to get fully loaded
but i need true shot to get fully loaded
^ was the typo
dense locust
Ah
You need dual shot and exit wounds to get fully loaded. I'm not sure if you actually need true shot
quartz crow
i didn't notice you don't need it. prob could have gotten it (fully loaded)
quartz crow
it took a few artemises but i just got dual shot without true shot
shadow oriole
you need any cast to get dual shot, and any cast that will lodge bloodstones in the target to get exit wounds
stable onyx
so you need both dual shot and exit wounds right?
shadow oriole
yes
stable onyx
so you can get dual shot without having any artemis boon before?
shadow oriole
I think its tier 2 so you need an Artemis boon but its doenst have to be true shot
stable onyx
or do you still need an artemis boon first even if you have another cast
quartz crow
i proved it true
stable onyx
i tried so hard to get fully loaded today but i failed lol
gray lintel
support fire is hilarious if you have the spear and triple hit dashes
lament coral
it only procs on the first hit
gray lintel
still seems kinda good for fast hitting things like lots of dashes :X
quartz crow
i think authur is gonna be for darkness farming
new speed record heh
i even bought the diamond but no dire snake 😦
hold on
i print screened this cause it sounded hilarious so here
latent junco
when do i finally unlock the bottom row of the keepsakes?
gray lintel
give people nectar :v
latent junco
eurydice just upgraded my epic Hermes movespeed to heroic, 49% move speed increase now
and i just found hermes himself in a fountain room and got epic 30% increased attack speed
quartz crow
tried spoilering then unspoilering and it didn't show up so reposting made the bot mute me -_-
why do gorgon rocks have to be immune to regular attacks...
latent junco
you mean the petrifying stones they shoot?
latent junco
i know i can deflect those projectiles and petrify them lol
how do you deal with those little sh*ts in Elysium? The chariots that suicide bomb you?
quartz crow
do the devs already have the aspects they are adding in mind?
oh... they prob are going to be all named after out of universe stuff like the current 2
lament coral
@latent junco dash through buildings, run around
or take on em if you have ranged options
they're absolutely insufferable with melee
gray lintel
@quartz crow that should really go in the spoilers channel
timber osprey
is there any specific techniques or tips to beat the game easier first time?
like some pointers on boons weapons?
any help is greatly appreciated
gray lintel
there are two things you generally need t ofocus on
thing 1: don't get hurt
thing 2: kill things as fast as possible so that thing 1 is easier
after keeping gameplay concerns in mind: you need to figure out pretty early on what you need to do for damage. you need to figure out "how am I dealing damage"
usually an attack, special, or cast you build around with the rest of your boons assisting that
dusty kettle
Hades is quite easy... as for me...
something like Dead Cells
gray lintel
this can be special interactions such as zeus attack on a fast hitting weapon or aphrodite anything which has a very high damage boost
timber osprey
what are best weapons and best boons to try and get for that weapon
also aspects for those wepons
dusty kettle
I almost passed with a spear
gray lintel
best depends on your playstyle
timber osprey
cuz im on attempt 43 and only beat the minotor and spear shield guy once
gray lintel
for example I think spear is one of the easiest weapons but a lot of people hate it 
timber osprey
i like sword and also shield
with shield i feel like it gets so much harder in late game than with sword
gray lintel
third boss is learning boss patterns. Kill the minotaur first :p
timber osprey
yeah i figured that bit out
but i never know what boons are best with sword if im using it
and aspects too
gray lintel
all of them :v
zeus attack is the worst one, probably, and should be avoided due to slow attack speed
timber osprey
ok ill keep that in mind
gray lintel
like i can't really give a good answer because it depends on the run, it depends on what gods are available, you may have to change halfway through and adapt
timber osprey
oh ok
gray lintel
it also depends on what hammer boons you get. like
the sword has a quite slow special and can't really apply things fast
timber osprey
i read somewhere that world splitter is best
gray lintel
but then you get the nova hits twice hammer boon
and suddenly your special hits a lot and does a lot of damage and can be your primary method of attack
world splitter is nice but it's slow and doesn't hit as fast as sword's normal combo
latent junco
does a heart with a lock in it mean i can finally unlock the ambrosia thing?
timber osprey
yeah but you need to do the favour first
latent junco
favor?
timber osprey
so depending on which npc it is they have a favour that you complete
gray lintel
the lock means you need to do some sort of quest for them
timber osprey
to unlock giving it ambrosia
gray lintel
generally that means talk to everyone and possibly raise your relations with someone else
(also sometimes they are bugged right now)
dusty kettle
how many weapons are there in Hades?
gray lintel
if you want to ask about something specific I'd recommend asking in spoilers channel
technically there's only 6 weapons but aspects can massively change playstyle
(as can hammer boons)
dusty kettle
thanks
gray lintel
there's 3 aspects that change one thing of a weapon, then there's a 4th aspect which basically changes the entire weapon while keeping the basic essence
not all weapons have a 4th aspect yet but it seems planned
quartz crow
it's a good spoiler though
imagine beating the game and seeing that spoiler free
the pain
who doesn't watch gameplay first anyway?
dumb people i guess unless they arn't picky on what they're buying
fine i'll keep it to myself
it feels like Hades's cast removes armor reduction
latent junco
no
do you not see the debuff text he puts on you
boiling blood
he makes you take 50% more damage from all hits including his giant AoE spear swing so it goes from 40 damage to 60
lament coral
it's not that obvious
lament coral
you can't read it while fighting Hades
latent junco
i can
quartz crow
you can see but it doesn't tell you what it does
quartz crow
for some reason it makes me tank to him melting me
latent junco
same effect
latent junco
like i said, it's pretty damn obvious
quartz crow
didn't pay attention to the names
i just leave it on and forget it
and it's not obvious
not everyone remembers every tiny detail
try spelling the p guy's name without cheating
quartz crow
no the other guy
latent junco
Persephone?
quartz crow
that's not a guy
fervent ore
patroclus?
quartz crow
not easy to remeber
quartz crow
cause it's wierd names
latent junco
it's negligible to remember
quartz crow
it takes time to remember things
latent junco
i remember everything about every game i play if it's actually important
quartz crow
i just never think oh this status effect is named after a mirror
why tf does he even use the mirror
you're an ass goodbye
weak rivet
Listen dude no need to be like that
If i gotta be honest realizing what hades cast did took me a bit
And by bit i mean two fights
And i knew they were named the same, but only made the connection after i got nuked
dusty kettle
Hades isn't that difficult
weak rivet
Like i didnt realize what it does right away and the screen change it gives you also diesnt exactly give away whats happening to you (in a way that poison or low health screen changes do)
Its v pretty though
I got hit w it in my first hades battle and i was like
Wow christmas lights
gray lintel
"hmmm i need an attack boost, i'll take aphrodite for more attack damage on hestia aspect"
two aphrodite boons, no attack boon
rich cedar
congrats
on actually getting that
I still need Athena legendary + Artemis legendary 😦
lament coral
try the legendaries and duos mirror talent, make sure you got the prerequisites right
fervent ore
isnt that the better mirror talent anyways
gray lintel
oh rigth this run I still have 4 death defiances
i could have 5 with skelly tooth!
thanatos on a nectar level with nectar gives +1 level to a boon, +30 max life from nectar, and aphrodite increased max life gain 👀
this is a beeg room
368 max life and 4 death defiances it is going to be hard to die
explosive shot + spread fire is fun even with hestia
especially with heroic increased dashes for 5 total dashes
yeet
lament coral
@fervent ore nah, most of the time you want your attack/cast/special to be of higher quality
because those are the ones you'll be using throughout the entire run
gray lintel
i don't think quality matters for some things(mostly artemis off the top of my head because the attack bonus kinda sux and the crit doesn't scale)
well except for cast you always want high cast quality
lament coral
even with the mirror talent, you might not see the leg and duo boons if you're simply unable to get their required boons
quartz crow
shoot i forgot to check if thanos was home
gray lintel
436 health, 4 death defiances. didn't even use a single death defiance. feelsbad
quartz crow
that's alot of hp
gray lintel
yes it is
aphrodite +max HP, dionysus +max HP on getting nectar, several nectar levels
rich cedar
Dont drink and play
just lost my 10 win streak 😦
Aphrodite and dionysys can give + max hp?
How?
fervent ore
aphrodite has the talent that increases +hp bonuses
and dinonysys has the nectar = +20 hp
rich cedar
i never realised that was +hp
rugged estuary
Is spread fire intended to reduce the hestia rail damage on the first shot?
range-wise, the shot is unaffected by spread fire, but the damage is much lower.
rugged estuary
@lament coral Spread Fire is the shotgun mode. And it changes base damage to 50, which I think messes with the first-shot damage of hestia
It's weird though, it's not a normal 50 shot either.
lament coral
so, what was the damage?
rugged estuary
I was dealing ~150 instead of the ~225 I hit for before
but the damage slightly varied too
anywhere between 145 and 160 ive seen
lament coral
lvl 5 Hestia shot does 150
are you playing with Family Favorite or Privileged Status?
rugged estuary
neither. I have the new budget cuts on level 2
And yeah, I have a 50% attack boon, so level 5 hestia hit for 225 before
now a hestia shot is 140-160
(or was before I upgraded the attack to 70%)
and yes, it changed when I picked up Spread Fire
Damage variance is even greater now that I tried it again
I hit 110, then 200, with no difference in damage modifiers
lament coral
F10 it
rugged estuary
Already did.
latent junco
when does the final sword aspect show up?
naive tusk
There’s a pin in #h1-story-discussion about it 
latent junco
ok ty
unkempt geyser
this whole thread gave me a headache https://steamcommunity.com/app/1145360/discussions/2/2261312148332529557/
" just to make Artemis boons better than Doom you need so much stuff" huh????
gray lintel
you need like any source of additional damage like ruthless dodge 
15% crit chance is basically +30% more damage
unkempt geyser
no like their entire thread though
the entire thread is literally "theres no point picking anything than ares"
gray lintel
lol ares doesn't stack with multiple hits
well
it can but the stacking is kinda bad
unkempt geyser
like listen i like ares but even i know ares doesnt have the utility other gods have
theres like big long posts of why op thinks other boons dont do as much as ares and its just.
i honestly have no words lmfao
gray lintel
10-20 damage applies to the main target, applies jolted which is crazy good(it's like ares but they have to attack first), and works great on faster attacks
(ignoring lightning bolts)
unkempt geyser
"My best result is just 1 heat, so I don't know if my opinion is important." but then they proceed to make walls of text and ask for proof in numbers for anything contradicting their opinion
gray lintel
do they like even know aphrodite exists
athena deflect from what I can tell slower attacks/weapons have longer deflect scaling
it's not linear I don't think so faster weapons are still better but like
unkempt geyser
i skimmed and they dont even mention aphrodite beyond some off hand mention that other boons just do status
unkempt geyser
they've got to be right about something within all that text 😂
gray lintel
okay he mentions charm but likeeeeee
didn't notice aphrodite has the second highest base damage scaling in the game IMO?
(i think first highest is posideon actually)
lament coral
no, Aphro's is
unkempt geyser
it seems like op wrote off aphrodite entirely for just being status infliction
lament coral
Poseidon has 2nd highest special scaling and 2nd lowest attack scaling
gray lintel
when I started playing I did too lmao
unkempt geyser
i think most people do honestly
latent junco
i can get the final boss' hp down by a third or more with Artemis' Call
gray lintel
like "yeah it's weak ehhh i don't need survivability"
it isn't until you get to know the other boons that you realize the high percentage damage
unkempt geyser
i think most people that write aphrodite off dont start realizing her potential until higher heat
gray lintel
i do think artemis call is like the second worst call tho
latent junco
how so?
gray lintel
(the worst call is aphrodite >.>)
it has high burst damage but is outperformed by DOT calls and doesn't have any utility.
artemis doesn't DO anything. But damage.
she feels awkward in that she doesn't really even have any kind of status effect
it's just "yay damage"
like she doesn't even have a dash ability, it just makes dash attacks deal more damage
lament coral
charm is just weird
gray lintel
aphrodite call yeah is just charm, and you hae to fully stack to deal burst damage, and eh
meanwhile athena it's like "you fully stack me and you are literally invincible for the next 20 seconds lol"
lament coral
Aphro call should spawn those tracking hearts when not fully charged, the ones that circle during her duo god fight
gray lintel
hell even posideon and ares calls make you invincible
dionysus and demeter calls meanwhile both enable status-centric boons to appear
aphrodite... doesn't.
gray lintel
artemis just feels weird in general again like... they are generically good in that their non-skill boons are broadly applicable. But then generically bad in that their skill boons are generally bad unless you're SPECIFICALLY going an artemis-centric build.
but you need those boons to get the later tier boons 
and even for builds with them getting two status effects for privileged status is much harder because her only status effect is very brief and lasts until attacked and all the other gods AFAIK have a long term status effect...?
granted other gods have quirks though but i like them better than Artemis. Demeter for example when I think about it: She's kind of selfish in that a demeter build wants MORE DEMETER. but she still has good stuff for other uilds and chill is always useful
and when I think about it demeter can actually proc privileged status with no other boons
(chill + decay, hypothetically, if decay counts as a status effect)
kindred bolt
i don't understand your hate for artemis, the hate should be left for poseidon, he sucks
artemis is sooo strong for a lot of builds
lament coral
every god wants more of the same god
gray lintel
i'm saying that her attack/special/dash/cast replacers are awkward for most builds :x
kindred bolt
and almost any weapon kicks ass with a crit build
gray lintel
unless you specifically build for it
most other gods have utility with it, even Zeus has jolted effect which is nice extra damage and ares doom doesn't really stoop your other things to use it
but artemis just has crit which only applies to that one ability :X
lament coral
well, they're adding more boons in the next update
gray lintel
like a "bleed" effect when you crit someone which deals damage when someone is moving
lament coral
you mean rupture?
kindred bolt
thats the same as poseidon rupture
gray lintel
no :x i don't think rutpure only applies while moving
lament coral
it does
gray lintel
huh, i thought it was a static DOT
TIL
either way some persistent status curse that applies to person hit :x marked doesn't work that well IMO because it requires two enemies near(ish) to each other and only applies on the other one
and it disappears once you deal crit damage
lament coral
Lernie 
weak rivet
I sleep until he renames theseus to thesie,
gray lintel
the third boss with extreme measures is so surreal with the adamant rail
instead of swords and magic you're just shooting miniguns and rockets at each other
latent junco
underworld war 1
weary torrent
Question to the crowd:
It was hard to test in the run that it occurred to me but does the AoE effect from Quake Cutter trigger the heal from Draining Cutter?
Quake Cutter : After using your Special, deal 40 damage in an area where you land
Draining Cutter : Whenever your Special slays foes, restore 2% life
Also does the dashing special still trigger Quake Cutter?
opal bay
the additional damage from weapons by upgrades do not cooperate with effects
like quake cutter for example
weary torrent
hmm interesting, makes sense though
gray lintel
tbh I'd recommend testing it
cause supposedly special damage does scale quake cutter
and I know for a fact that draining cutter definitely seems to work off Advancing Kick which replaces your special
gray lintel
so uh
i thought sword dealing +200% damage on backstab was gimmicky
it's not
it is horrifyingly strong with the fourth sword aspect
2400 damage crits with an attack is something
lethal crane
i bet
question - does different hangover effect stack differently? like, my dash is 3 dmg, my attack 6...what's the interaction there?
weary torrent
So for the secondary effect from the special i assume its because its not really the special causing the kill but weapon effect instead.
Just like how inflicting hangover with special wouldn't proc draining cutter
And yea backstabs are crazy on the third hit
Just had a run like that last night and it was silly the numbers you could pull off
weak rivet
Aspect of 🚚
gray lintel
okay yeah I expected cursed slash to be absolutely terrible with aspect of truck but uhhhh
no actually it worked out pretty good
weary torrent
Cursed or shadow?
gray lintel
both
weary torrent
because if former, id be interested in trying that out
i thought cursed would be bad as well
gray lintel
the +200% backstab gave me 2900 damage crits lmao
weary torrent
Nice, i didnt get that high. Last night i had that kind of run but i was getting 2.2-2.4
but i had aphro and dio boons, was that with artemis boons?
weary torrent
extra crit dmg?
gray lintel
nope!
i sadly could not get aphrodite's t hing
that would have been amazing tho
so much damage
weary torrent
oh i bet
i got lucky and got +50 on atk from chaos my run
so not many crits but lots of solid hits
but 2.9 sounds real nice
sly sonnet
gray lintel
i like thanatos
rugged estuary
For the second time now, I've lost a 32 heat attempt to invisible theseus bombs hitting me for 120 and taking my DDs. Really wish that would get fixed.
naive laurel
@rich cedar no forced ot runs imo is just automatically -10 heat in difficulty
@rugged estuary I think it's less of invis and more of getting either deflected or bouncing from a pillar, the former being more likely
I tend not to get deflecting abilities close to the chariot cuz of that
it immediately erases the landing marker
So, should it not do dmg to ourselves after being deflected, or should it get a new landing marker, that's the question
tidal thorn
It's kinda dumb that his grenades do that much damage anyway imo
It's the hardest hitting thing in the game.
naive laurel
kinda, except the double dmg perk vermins
still, it shouldn't do that much dmg while being also spamming
spammy*
rugged estuary
the damage is justified because its really easy to avoid
styx blade traps hit for 150, and those are harder to avoid than theseus bombs
but when it becomes impossible to see without a marker, thats not fair
naive laurel
Oh yeah the security blades..
take 1 dd away from me once
i think zoom level should be always the same by default, cuz some rooms changes zoom and therefore dash distance perception
Well, if u wanna make a feedback on the bomb markers disappearing, I'm gonna back it
otherwise I can make one but will be later
naive laurel
@rugged estuary made that suggestion for u
quartz crow
if they nerf aurther what should they nerf?
naive laurel
attack delay will probably be even higher
turbid needle
I don't think Arthur needs a nerf.
winter birch
What would the fourth bosses extreme measures be?
river jacinth
You gotta fight every single miniboss and side character at the same time too
static prawn
other bosses as summons might actually be pretty neat. The question is: do they still have the effects of EM as well?
turbid needle
Third phase.
dense locust
I always read the message that's currently on my screen without checking the time stamp...
turbid needle
I've done that before, because Discord moves you from wherever you were when you last tabbed to it or opened your computer, but not up to what's most recent.
I've checked it in the morning, gone to work or run some errands for most of the day, come back in the evening and the log will be moved to noon, when I wasn't even at my computer.
dense locust
Yeah, and then I respond to it, then realize how long ago the message I was responding to was after it jumps way down
dense locust
It might just be confirmation bias, but i can remember a few runs where I was only offered a total of 4 boons by the time I entered elysium... and I also had underworld customs on so I had 2 boons total
actually I may have had a hermes in there as well
But I don't think so
This was 32 heat
winter birch
naive laurel
boons have calculation methods
I think i sent a link few days ago, lemme find it
In short, if u play a run where bounties are still available in that heat, u get less boons/obol/heart/hammer room
on average
torpid turret
dense locust
So the opposite should be the case of my few experiences where I get very few boons at high heat. I'm pretty sure it's just confirmation bias though because it's only been a handful of times, it's just more noticeable because you really need those boons at 32
dense locust
Does anyone know how stacking slow works? Is it straight additive and is there a cap?
static prawn
y'know, the Hades fight is outside... the gods could totally just beat Hades up for you
earnest ravine
They mention that once you reach the surface, they lose sight of you and have no idea what actually happens. So like... SOMETHING'S going on there.
spare zealot
I imagine that part is going to be explained when they give the story an ending
I'm guessing hades has some sort of spell on that area
static prawn
It's almost creepy how they have no clue what possibly happened and they have no choice but to give you more boons and have you try again
spare zealot
"huh weird, this is the 87th time we lost track of you. Oh well! here, take this."
winter birch
I swear you were just near the top
I mean they're probably existing on three other levels of reality at once
Also it would make sense that the door and entrance is the most difficult place to access
Considering thats the critical point of any entry of escape attempt
static prawn
Greek gods seem to be one of the few types of gods that have one body, a job, and nothing more without any reality bending existences
though the door and surrounding areas are likely enchanted, yes
earnest ravine
In a lot of Greek stories (Trojan war in particular) they can definitely be distracted or interfered with, so they're definitely not infalliable in any retelling.
static prawn
Aphrodite was straight up speared in the hand
with no consequence
Trojan war myths are fun
winter birch
Also I feel weird comparing real life deities to Dark Souls gods but I don't know
Also if they had the budget and the knowledge to redub the whole game in ancient greek I would so play that
for the vibe
Or even modern greek
surreal tapir
guys, shouldn't talk about the final boss and what happens afterwards be marked as spoilers?
earnest ravine
In the gameplay channel, it;s a non-issue.
dense locust
Talk related to gameplay is okay here, and that includes using the FB name
quartz crow
hammer shows rocket the 5 bomb and the no reload
dense locust
Talk related to dialogue and things outside of gameplay should be avoided
I take rocket
every time
earnest ravine
Yeah, that's my own bad, sorry. Forgot which channel that was happening in.
quartz crow
fishing goes in #h1-discussion right? if not i finally caught a legendary fish
surreal tapir
ahh, alright. sorry!
earnest ravine
And I saw, good work, Jex!
dense locust
Normal bomb does 60 damage
the easier to aim animation and extra 40 base damage from rocket makes it very strong
Fish talk is fine here
winter birch
For awhile reading this i was confused them i remembered theres just a rocket launched in this game
dense locust
Yeah I was answering Jex
hammer shows rocket the 5 bomb and the no reload
@quartz crow
And something else they said before that
quartz crow
imagine getting to chaos fishing spot and you don't get a perfect catch
wiki says something glows. i don't see it
i just hit as soon as i see it go down
winter birch
WAIT IS THE QUALITY OF THE CATCH
Tied to how closely you time your button press
Cusssssssssss
quartz crow
it's annoying when it doesn't fake you out
cause im so used to the first being faked
unrelated but i feel stupid for buying trove spawn and not using it
dense locust
You have a higher chance of catching a rarer fish within the available "pool" of fish in the given area if you get a perfect catch
But in chaos, you're still guaranteed that your fish sells for one of the rare resources (diamond, blood, or ambrosia) even if you don't perfect catch
I don't think the wiki is accurate on this. It says a perfect catch is guaranteed to catch a rare fish, but I've caught dozens of perfect-catch knuckle heads
unkempt pagoda
i think knucleheads are the rares
dense locust
what the heck are the commons then
all i get are knuckle heads
oh hellfish
I guess I get perfect catch more often than not that I thought hellfish were the rare....
winter birch
Same i guess
Never even noticed thst message at the top tho
Two busy with high octane fishing
Also if you have varatha he shiukd just stab it out of the water
dense locust
I enjoy fishing now, it's a weird exercise in anticipation and concentration
It's the immediate drops that are hardest for me
Not enough time to get into the zone
quartz crow
and it just did it again so got slavug
winter birch
Also is it just me or is i guranteed to get at lesst one gup every tos
placid arrow
Reading the wiki for the updated Artemis boon tree, just to double make sure since I've done numerous runs without getting the run I wanted, is "Fully Loaded" Pre-reqs "Dual Shot" and "Exit Wounds"?
unkempt pagoda
yes, you need both dual shot and exit wounds for fully loaded
placid arrow
ok so you dont have to have support fire or true shot as long as its not a cast that doesn't work with exit wounds?
unkempt pagoda
well, to get dual shot you need to have any core artemis boon
but you don’t need artemis cast for fully loaded, no
placid arrow
ya ya, ok sweet thank you very much 🙂
unkempt pagoda
👍
dense locust
I feel like zeus aspect shield with charged shot has a lot of potential for some high heat scaredy cat gaming
winter birch
Is that the one that fires arrows?
earnest ravine
Is which one?
dense locust
Charged shot is the hammer that turns your bull rush into an arrow that deals 80 base damage
But you can also just sit in a corner with your shield up while your spinning zeus aspect shield deals damage
Chaos aspect is probably still better but I like the thought
quartz crow
no bobs again @$#$@#%#%#$^#^
prime berry
There's a reason why I'm actually glad I can immediately recall the shield though. Like, two, actually. One is for Explosive Return, another is if I sent the shield off in the wrong direction on accident and need to adjust. @prime berry I can go into this more in Gameplay if you want to keep talking about it in detail?
@earnest ravine
I see what you’re saying, but the fact is the Zeus shield special has a higher than tolerable chance to do nothing when you don’t make a mistake.
In the first case, the special itself does nothing and is forced to have that hammer upgrade to salvage any use
In the second case, misfiring should have consequences but a <0.5s delay is inconsequential time to recall and refire the special
quartz crow
finally it stops doing that
why do quotes have to ping people who don't want to be pinged?
earnest ravine
It'd be a noticeable delay as far as I'm concerned, because I play on FO 40%, but I can see how it could be frustrating having a double tap throw you off.
And I don't particularly find it had to fling it in the right direction after a misfire when trying to send it to the correct group, but that could be just me not noticing when it';s happened. Does it come up for you a lot?
dense locust
It's definitely harder than chaos aspect but I think it has potential. I think if they made the return faster or something it'd be used more
earnest ravine
Also I agree wholeheartedly with your remark about it needing better feedback for when it's about to recall, because as it it's hard to tell when it's going to or not. You can get a feel for it but it's still inconsistent.
dense locust
That as well
earnest ravine
Eh, I think the return sped being slower is a good thing, actually!
dense locust
Like have it change color when its recalling
And that's true, it is useful to be able to kite around while it follows
earnest ravine
It allows you to kite it into enemies easier if you want to during dash trains, making Elysium easier to handle during the infamous tiny chariot rooms.
Plus, I am like... 80% sure if you tap special again while it's in flight back to you it speeds up.
that could juust be my brain panicking, though.
dense locust
This might be overly complicated, but maybe adjustable speeds
Or maybe a boon that lets it seek the nearest foe
or something
Actually
earnest ravine
More hammers for it in general would be nice. As it it loses to a lot of the ones the standard shield does since it doesn't bounce.
dense locust
If you could stop it from recalling
that you would be nice
Every time you press special it stops or something
earnest ravine
But going back to Auroreon's Feedback, it MIGHT be better off having some sort of double tap check (could also remove some Explosive return spam builds but that might actually be for the best), but anything longer than .3 seconds is way too long.
And I dunno about that, Strong? People already complain about Zeus feeling clunky.
dense locust
It would make explosive return essentially useless for me, but I still rarely take it
earnest ravine
I think if you add another special button press into it, it might have the opposite of intended effect.
dense locust
Yeah it would probably complicate things
maybe holding special makes it go outwards, and letting go returns it
earnest ravine
You can still rapidly catch and release it with that sort of delay or bounce of it off of walls.
But then you have hand spaghetti when trying to dash around and attack simultaneously, removing a lot of its versatility.
dense locust
I actually find it pretty fun as is but I understand peoples gripes with it
hybrid galleon
i thought dash attack is the only way to viably use shield
since it has decent enough damage and mobility to do it
dense locust
A little bit of seeking in on enemies might be nice
hybrid galleon
or else shield would be pretty sad in terms of its damage output
without any hammer or whatsoever
earnest ravine
True... a lot of my rapid recalls are because it missed an enemy by like, a HAIR and wooshed by.
dense locust
As far as my own experience, Chaos aspect with doom special is strongest
and then maybe charged shot and artemis
attack
dense locust
I would throw aphro on cast
to get heart rend
But my normal mode 32 heat clear was with zeus shield
earnest ravine
And Zeus has incredibly damage output with any on-hit effects (Demeter, Dio, and Zeus ofc) and you can load literally any heavy attack boon on and go to town.
dense locust
aphro special
hybrid galleon
wait zeus gets more lighning per proc?
dense locust
found unhealthy fixation chamber 7
earnest ravine
Or you can make the disc a spinning whirlwend of damage and treat yourself as a compliment to it.
Like, almost every hit
it's hilarious
earnest ravine
There is a cooldown but it's slight.
dense locust
unhealthy fixation on zeus shield makes it a love shield
hybrid galleon
i want all arrowletts to proc zeus special
that way zeus will be less useless for once
dense locust
The only core boon i take from zeus is attack on rail
his other call related boons are nice though
dense locust
Zeus attack on rail could carry me to elysium on high heats
dense locust
You can force more though
hybrid galleon
5 at most
but that would mean you have not much boon to go to styx
at that rate
dense locust
Like I said, only on rail
earnest ravine
Chiron and Zeus is really weird, honestly. It might not proc because almost all arrows hit at once, while the Zeus aspect hits like... every .2, .3 seconds.
hybrid galleon
it will be hard on elysium without at least 6 boons imo
dense locust
Having your attack do 20 damage to all enemies and apply jolted is crazy
hybrid galleon
aphro can do it with level 2
earnest ravine
Staggered instead of a huge woosh in the same, or near same frame? Idk it;s weird and I wish it procced multiple times without hammers for Chiron, personally.
hybrid galleon
and then applies a debuff that will compliment with other effects
again, maximum priv
dense locust
Yeah, my point was that zeus attack is strong enough to carry me by its self. My normal rail build usually uses special for most of the damage
hybrid galleon
i cant use special
rip
rail's special is clunky af
i kinda wish rocket is the default tbh
dense locust
It's an enormous buff to special
hybrid galleon
shouldnt you be rewarded for able to aim this thing
also it has the bounce off mechanic that pisses me off
dense locust
60 base damage and slow moving lob vs 100 base damage that is easy to hit
hybrid galleon
i would rather want the bomb lob to be upgrade
and then deals more damage
at least its a reward
for actually learn to lob this
dense locust
Cluster bomb and then quickly adjust all of the bombs on to one enemy XD
hybrid galleon
cluster rocket is god meme
hybrid galleon
i kinda wish triple cluster is a thing
dense locust
oh you said cluster rocket
quartz crow
ahhhhh
quartz crow
hybrid galleon
ITS RAINING MEN
dense locust
if you had all of them focused on one enemy...
dense locust
Love me a merciful end rail build
hybrid galleon
i mean whats not fun about carpet bombing stuff
quartz crow
i have learned the bull fight pretty well. theses is just a pain with all his blocking and hades isn't that bad except for his phase 2
why th does that beam have to lock on
hybrid galleon
and deflect on rail special would be nice for once lmfao
dense locust
15 bombs at 42 damage a piece = 630 base damage
I got my first 32 heat with deflect triple rocket bomb
dense locust
lol no thanks
lethal crane
@quartz crow - the beams are fine if you dash quick to a pillar, honestly having way more trouble in phase 1 myself
hybrid galleon
phase 1 can spawn greatshield
and that is the only reason why its so hard
for me
hybrid galleon
yeah
however, the urns can be annoying af to defuse
especially when he does the 12 laser
lethal crane
As someone who cleared Hades maybe 10 times I still lose 2-3 DDs on him every time, but I go HAM and dash-attack spam
dense locust
yeah some builds can struggle against it
hybrid galleon
yeah ig
but my small brain wanna defuse them
because im a ct eggspurt
bomb has been defused
lethal crane
I actually never tried athena call proper, is it good? it deals no damage on its own so I find it hard to justify compared to a deflect on attacks
earnest ravine
It's INCREDIBLE.
They've had to nerf it several times and it's still one of the most powerful calls in the game.
hybrid galleon
yes
lethal crane
what's the use compared to any other deflect?
quartz crow
i did better by not caring about what he spawns and deflecting those casts if they were aimed at me
dense locust
Oh wow @half tapir just answered something I was wondering about but was too lazy to test in feedback
hybrid galleon
@lethal crane punching your dad while being invincible for 10 seconds
how is that not good
also its 4 bar
bruh
quartz crow
no divine protection :/ guess multitasking isn't great
earnest ravine
It stays up for long enough that you can melt practically any boss before it goes down, or at least get to their next phase.
dense locust
The best use of calls, imo, is using it when you don't think you can dodge the incoming attack
hybrid galleon
artemis call can be used if you master the art of athena dash
dense locust
at least the ones that can grant invul, or aphros
hybrid galleon
artemis call is also, skip phase
dense locust
It doesn't do a whole lot at high heats
earnest ravine
It's quite literally a button that you can press that is essentially "you know, I have a button that says I don't have to deal with this anymore" and then you can just. hit it.
dense locust
maybe a 10th of a life bar
well that's probably unfair
if you have buffs up from different sources
it can hurt a lot
but its also dependent on luck
earnest ravine
Most of the time that sort of reaction is reserved to summons, but the Athena call is unlimited use and you can use a mini-version of its broken state with very little penalty at any point if you need it.
dense locust
Athena call is by far the best call by a wide margin, at least for how i play
I'd say poseidon is second, ares and aphro tied
lethal crane
what? unlimited use?
dense locust
and i don't bother with the others
earnest ravine
Er. Compared to summons I mean, I should have clarified.
dense locust
As in you don't have a limited number of charges
earnest ravine
You can use it as many times as you have the bar for it, I should have said.
hybrid galleon
I say artemis is best, athena second, ares third
i dont bother with poseidon because i cant control this thing
earnest ravine
Calls are always unlimited! Versus the other no-sell mechanic, companions, which have a max of like. 5.
lethal crane
oh i thought you meant bar wise
dense locust
companions come with as many charges as you have levels in them and can be used once per chamber max. Calls require building up the god-gauge but can be used unlimitedly per chamber
hybrid galleon
aphro is best used without fully charge it
because if you want damage, go artemis then
earnest ravine
Yeah, l stated the point poorly. Sorry!
dense locust
I rarely fully charge aphro
quartz crow
all aspects are lvl 2 woo
lethal crane
does the charm last long enough on hades though? i feel it drops after 2-3 secs tops
dense locust
It doesn't last long
earnest ravine
Essentially it's good because it gives you enough time to fully skip a phase with no difficulties or restrictions if you have any other source of damage.
earnest ravine
If you have a way to rapdily apply charm it is! Otherwise, ehhhh.
So like. Fists with charm is hilarious.
quartz crow
?
lethal crane
or gotten it on a poor run
dense locust
Like I said, zeus shield with aphrodite special and unhealthy fixation
quartz crow
there a duo that makes calls proc on hits??
lethal crane
sounds devastating
quartz crow
i didn't use skelly again
lethal crane
no jex - aphro has a boon that gives ur weak effect a chance to charm
hybrid galleon
idk why but if there is a duo call it would be fun
lethal crane
tag-team baby
lethal crane
dio-aphro plz, love intoxication
quartz crow
moved on is a name?
earnest ravine
No, the conversation moved on.
lethal crane
😄
dense locust
This was a unique run that honestly didn't seem to have any synergy but poseidon call and artemis special on zeus aspect is huge damage: https://imgur.com/aP7oqa2
lethal crane
❤️ Jex
hybrid galleon
Divine Hunting, shoots support fire periodically when you are in invul
procs even more when you are trying to attack
dense locust
duo calls would be a lot of fun
quartz crow
bosses should have the same duration
hybrid galleon
tho i really want to see demeter + aprho duo
lethal crane
Cupid's Arrow - charmed enemy shoots tons of arrows at all enemies
naive laurel
Aphro's call being such a lackluster, I guess it's worth of doing a duo
demeter aphro duo call tho, i donno how
dense locust
I think aphro's call is okay because you can use it for utility or for damage
naive laurel
oh zeus and dio call I used to hate
dense locust
call
naive laurel
now I use them to great length
lethal crane
I can deal with zeus/dio fine cuz i'm face bashing anything
which is why i lose all my DDs on hades
naive laurel
it's very, very good dmg, and it's good for "After-call" effects
lethal crane
yea
dense locust
I just usually find the damage underwhelming compared to what I could do during invul, and I can't use them as a panic button
hybrid galleon
Choas gets a call that summons a blackhole that succs every projectile, damage anything in its path and casts like ares blade rifts
dense locust
Yeah getting epic second wind and athena call makes you a tank
hybrid galleon
and full charge summons a black hole that attracts enemies
lethal crane
OKOK GONNA FISH FOR IT
naive laurel
2nd wind is used with bellowing strength to do constant dmg
while having that buff
2nd wind bellowing strength zeus call with jolted, it's busted af
lethal crane
oh yea
my least favorite has to be posi, but i recognize its just cuz i can't aim with it proper
dense locust
but if zeus is your only source of jolted
lethal crane
so its just a panic button for me