the heal off the spin is more than enough
#h1-builds-and-combat
lament coral
round summit
you can still make a good run focusing on special, but then your health will stay lower than 65hp for sure
lament coral
but you must max it out
because not only do you start with less HP, you also gain less HP off hearts and darkness
I'm usually around 100 max HP when I finish Elysium
round summit
hey guys, when i beat arterius in single combat, when i get to the duo fight i noticed he has lower hp, is that correct?
didn't notice that, but it may happen
gray lintel
it's just that to make guan yu work you have to be good :x
mighty ermine
same zepp, since there isn't a big pool of health to heal anyways, it can pretty much be topped by spin when you absolutely need it
lament coral
it does bother me that you still see healing boons and items with LC maxed out tho, it's just a waste of a slot
gray lintel
if you tank big hits frequently another weapon is better because the healing won't be enough
tepid ridge
Oh it’s absolutely my bad play that’s my problem. Still, I don’t like that I can pay 0 titan’s blood for a basic aspect and win the same run I would have spent 15 titan’s blood on to max out GY
round summit
it's just that to make guan yu work you have to be good :x
I mean the only weapon I still have problems with are the Rail and the Spear
lament coral
try Zag spear if GY is too spicy
gray lintel
the strength of the spear IMO is dash attacks and long-range attacks
lament coral
just spam special and win
dusky grove
special-specialty ? ok
gray lintel
no, attacks are long-range :v
round summit
just spam special and win
I did that with GY
mighty ermine
even GY can go extremely heavy into special and work out great
gray lintel
spears literally have like longer attack range than adamant rail
lament coral
Zag spear doesn't take away your HP
dusky grove
it's already explosive so good
lament coral
so you can heal all the way to daddy-o
gray lintel
also dash attack on the spear is very very strong, and it gets even stronger with a hammer upgrade for triple-hit
lament coral
I really don't like reduced dash distance though
it might be fine if you get extra dashes off Hermes, but with 2 or even 1? Nah
plus, spear doesn't have any attack synergy
not a single attack focused aspect
dusky grove
get dicey and choose ruthless ontop off that, ok XD
lament coral
it's a joke
round summit
it's a lie
only a fairytale
lament coral
because it's a crappy aspect that requires quick spin without the spin being useful
gray lintel
it does not require quick spin
if you hit them once with a spin attack they keep the mark for like 10-12 seconds
round summit
ay what about Zeus' shield?
gray lintel
10s the wiki says
lament coral
Zeus is strong but annoying to play
round summit
it seems interesting, but Chaos is too strong
gray lintel
aspect of zeus is one of the aspects that suck bad until you get levels
gray lintel
the main thing zeus shield does is that it hits every 0.3 seconds
amusingly it's good IMO with zeus special. Because.... it hits every 0.3 seconds. :v
round summit
if you like Hestia rail you'll like Zeus shield
I forgot what Hestia does, is it the attack buff when hit by the special?
gray lintel
but actually maneuvering the shield is very hard
Hestia rail is 150 damage empowered shot every reload.
round summit
Hestia rail is 150 damage empowered shot every reload.
oof I'm bad at the rail bc of the reload soooo no
gray lintel
Hestia rail is.... better, IMO, than the starting rail or at least does more damage unless you care about number of attacks.
i unironically like it with delta chamber
you get the shot off, then do the triple burst, before reloading
lament coral
Zag rail is actually not all that bad, especially if you don't wanna reload spam
just take Zag and start with Zeus attack
gray lintel
zagreus is still good if you care about number of attacks yes
mighty ermine
zag aspect rail is just overall underwhelming as a perk
gray lintel
such as zeus attack
mighty ermine
reloading isn't much of an issue typically
lament coral
boom, you're a ghost buster now, son
round summit
i unironically like it with delta chamber
Delta chamber makes you sacrifice time and dashes to damage, so I don't like it very much
gray lintel
zag aspect is also crazy with upgrades. I had 30/30 ammo once with +1 damage per uninterrupted attack and +30% attack speed.
lament coral
I still prefer to specialize into the special
round summit
just take Zag and start with Zeus attack
Have you heard the myth of Demeter Attack on Adamant Rail?
gray lintel
Delta chamber has faster attacks for those three attacks 
gray lintel
My last hestia aspect I had delta chamber and demeter attack.
it was pretty fun IMO
explosive shots too. had the big shot, triple burst, then reload and repeat
round summit
nuke the world ✌️
shotgun + explosive shots
gray lintel
another run I had Eris Aspect with rocket + cluster bombs
rocket shotgun
with posideon special
lament coral
I struggle to see what I'm shooting at if I have Zeus attack and explosive hammer
ze gogglez, zey do nothing!
round summit
I struggle to see what I'm shooting at if I have Zeus attack and explosive hammer
I don't think that's a problem really
lament coral
oh, it is, especially when you're shooting at armored spears
round summit
You're going to delete it before it attacks anyway
lament coral
I need to see when they're about to attack me
gray lintel
before the new upgrades I had adamant rail with triple special, posideon attack and special, double knockback, lightning on knockback, and festive fog with lightning inside
and rockets
round summit
oh, it is, especially when you're shooting at armored spears
I normally base myself on audio queues
gray lintel
what is 'seeing things'
all I see is everything instantly dying from constant non-stop lightning
lament coral
audio cues? I never noticed them making any warning sounds but, then again, I play with my own music these days
round summit
all I see is everything instantly dying from constant non-stop lightning
getting the second lightning and a high jolted dmg
gray lintel
currently, this is unpopular, but my least favorite aspect is Aspect of Posideon
round summit
audio cues? I never noticed them making any warning sounds but, then again, I play with my own music these days
oof I wrote it wrong, but yea, they always puff a lot
gray lintel
aspect of posideon is just awkward
round summit
aspect of posideon is just awkward
I haven't played a lot with other aspects
gray lintel
like okay yeah the +50% cast damage is the true star but disloging casts on special still feels bad to pick them all up
round summit
like I always stay with the same one normally
gray lintel
also right now my highest annoyance is just... the god system in general
want to do a zeus run
equip zeus trinket first item
latent junco
umm guys
gray lintel
get two zeus boons literally the entire game
round summit
like okay yeah the +50% cast damage is the true star but disloging casts on special still feels bad to pick them all up
That's the reason I got the "regenerating" cast on the mirror
gray lintel
latent junco
did i create a paradox? dusa didn't float away after i talked to her
what has this world come to?
gray lintel
stuff with character interactions you really should take to the spoilers channel :p
also if you're doing regenerating casts posideon I don't think DOES anything
then again I haven't tested, it would be neat if it dropped the cast anyway
dusky grove
nope it doesnt
dusky grove
i mean the whole regenerating has already make the cast indislodgible
but the aspects's bonus still count, yes
gray lintel
which otherwise the only way to get that is through generic sources like chaos boons or ruthless dodge
(cast damage bonuses are pretty rare)
also no, regenerating doesn't disloge the cast
dusky grove
yeet
gray lintel
with hera bow and 5 gems with regenerating I've stuck like 20 gems in the final boss before
latent junco
when i get boons that say things like "abilities that can deflect" or can whatever, do they need to actually do what they say they can do to proc, or does it proc anyway?
gray lintel
5 casts and 2 second recharge time gets funny
turns out that with +150% cast damage from various sources, along with aphrodite and athena crit chance, 10 artemis arrows deal a metric ton of damage
like "every boss phase takes literally 0 seconds to kill" damage
@latent junco no, they only need to be able to do so
for example, any ability that can deflect will proc the doom duo boon and exposed from athena boons
HOWEVER
deadly reflection actually DOES need to deflect, not just attack that can deflect, so
(do note you can deflect melee attacks tho)
dusky grove
the artermis aid is the most source of damage you can get out of within a press of a button :p
gray lintel
also do note it's rare but some attacks ignore deflection it seems 
or like... one attack
well .Either it can't be deflected, or you have to hit the enemies/bosses hitbox to deflect instead of the hitbox of the attack itself?
dusky grove
nah, just get in the atk range
gray lintel
no like
the final boss has stabs and spins and while most of them can be deflected, the giant spin AOE i have not been able to deflect
i've deflected the stabs just fine(i don't know if deflecting melee attacks reflects the damage back to them)
dusky grove
i've deflected the stabs just fine(i don't know if deflecting melee attacks reflects the damage back to them)
@gray lintel um yes they do
gray lintel
but giant AOE spin? doesn't seem to be able to be deflected. I've dodged it just fine and got ruthless proc from it. No luck with deflection tho
dusky grove
the aoe can be blocked so it means that deflecting would work too
gray lintel
it can be blocked yes
but actual deflect I have not been able to do so with either deflect dash or special or anything, really
even while I was using fast hitting double-hitting sword special that would otherwise deflect 100% of attacks, giant spin move still went through
dusky grove
the deflection pop up is delayed
that might be what you went thru
but still it can be deflected
dark field
❤️
static prawn
Noticed a Guan Yu conversation, I personally find Guan Yu easier to use than any of the other spears (they're all at lvl 1) simply because the spin is ranged and I don't get beat up by 12 numbskulls while I try to do a simple spin
tepid ridge
Ares cast is great, just not always for Poseidon aspect because it makes the aspect less synergistic since Ares cast doesn’t embed in enemies.
Damage is good either way though.
spare zealot
I avoid ares cast for that reason. It disables the huge shadow presence or whatever that mirror buff is named
er wait that might be a different one
something blood?
boiling blood, that one
unrelated - I genuinely find dealing with Satyrs harder than dealing with the final boss lol
that goddamn poison shot. You get 2 of them to deal with? egh.
I have deep fear if I reach styx with no athena dash
static prawn
it doesn't help that every enemy there is just so tanky
winter birch
Honestly the tiny vermin has killed me more than hades
static prawn
I've only fought it twice and I haven't had too much trouble. The big one with all the pests is the one I hate
winter birch
He's fine but if l encounter the tiny vermin thats basically just a death defiance gone for me
spare zealot
I'm OK with tiny vermin dude if I have the rail
earnest ravine
I've only died to it when it appears under a gas cloud, so I can't see the indicator for it resurfacing. Other than that it's just a bit longer than the other encounters.
spare zealot
but yeah styx has ended more runs for me than the final boss lol
jagged wolf
i JUST encountered tiny vermin for the first time yesterday and it honestly scared the crap out of me
static prawn
Styx doesn't kill me most of the time, but it certainly can guarantee I lose at the end
spare zealot
I count styx as ending my run if it burns all my lives because I'm not running a build that lets me stay 40 miles away from everything
athena dash is a lifesaver, quite literally
static prawn
I use the Mort companion, and since the furies are too fast to use it on reliably or too easy to need to use it I end up with some extra uses. Especially so considering you can't use it on the final boss, so the end result is I nuke styx bosses with it
spare zealot
I don't have companions yet so that'll probably help a lot
stable onyx
can anyone confirm if artemis dash works with dash upper?
earnest ravine
I just feel guilty using it on the furies, personally. feels mean
It used to, but I think they patched it to make it not work with it.
stable onyx
why would they do that
static prawn
even without it the normal Styx endrooms give me more trouble than tiny vermin simply cuz all of the lasers and poison, and rats, and axes
earnest ravine
Don't ask me. I remember seeing someone in feedback asking for it to be reverted last month, though.
stable onyx
so dash strike bonuses from chaos dont work aswell?
spare zealot
lasers aren't too bad if you can get down the habit of rushing them head on to get behind them. Their lasers start from their sides and close in. If it's that one room where they can float over the giant pit I boo at them and call them cowards
Also I think everything except the rail hitstuns them without armor
brave dune
That's nice, but have you met laser mobs that are on two sides of the map? 🙂
get behind one and the other one shoots you
spare zealot
the bomb launchers?
static prawn
two in the same room firing at different times to cover the other....
lasers at all times
spare zealot
oh huh, I haven't had that happen yet. They always fire close to the same time.
brave dune
Have you won a run?
spare zealot
several!
static prawn
In a small room they'll notice you at the same time, it just depends when they see you
spare zealot
ahhh no the final boss hasn't summoned those yet. Loves to summon the damn invuln crystals though and make my day irritating
static prawn
I think the worst summons would be a greatshield and a soul catcher
I think he can do that
tepid ridge
Pretty sure he can also summon my least favorite enemy in the game, chariots!
brave dune
Yeah greatshields and even a witch that you don't kill immediately becomes a pain
She's got a triple shot spread
lament coral
grey bows are probably the worst
spare zealot
chariots, bleh. They're fun because they do have a very predictable movement pattern. Except it's the fact that they're never alone that's awful
lament coral
perfect tracking
static prawn
I think I read somewhere on Reddit that once he summoned 2 megagorgons on them. Sounds fun
earnest ravine
In seperate waves, maybe?
brave dune
I don't think he can summon a megagorgon?
static prawn
yeah it doesn't seem like it, but the thought is funny
brave dune
I've never met a megagorgon summon..
brave dune
hm I don't recall ever seeing one but it doesn't seem too far fetched
lament coral
of course, he could summon it again during the second invuln phase
spare zealot
I dunno, I wouldn't doubt that a boss in a genre that's about RNG can RNG you to death with absurd summons
lament coral
but not 2 at once
static prawn
ooh, what if it only appears if you don't do their miniboss encounter? That would be neat
earnest ravine
Yeah, because I know he's done Soulcatchers for both wave 1 and 2 and it made me want to physically decay but it's not too often.
But I don't think I've seen a megagorgon since Nighty-Night hit?
brave dune
I don't mind soulcatchers, they're fairly immobile and usually you can clear their spawns at that level
earnest ravine
Yeah, I knew the context. god i WISH i didn't see them in asphodel sometimes
brave dune
It's the chariot that makes me a little annoyed
spare zealot
I'll take death barge to megagorgon fight in asphodel any day of the week
lament coral
I just hate that you have to be hitting it from behind if you're melee, else it could instantly hit you
static prawn
I just find the concept funny that some of the greatest souls to ever live get to spend eternity inside a chariot
not even riding it, in it
brave dune
uh no, the chariot is it's own soul
lament coral
no, chariots are possessed by the souls of chariot riders
spare zealot
sounds like a Light Novel title for the next Isekai
lament coral
it's not some random dude
brave dune
it's in the codex. The fury of their riders has engrained the chariots themselves with souls
or.. wait lemme read it again
static prawn
the minis and big ones may be different as well
tepid ridge
Ya big chariots, never alone, perfect tracking, and no wind-up so you can’t tell when they’re going to hit you when you thought they were stunlocked. Smaller variants are easy. Maybe they come from the precursor dimension to the movie “Cars”
All chariots are the evolutionary ancestors of Lightning McQueen
Flaming McBoom
lament coral
that'd be Flamius Boomius
brave dune
Hm seems I may have misintepreted the Chariot codex
When it said that Chariot Riders formed bonds with the chariots and in the afterlife those beliefs were well founded, I assumed the chariots became semi-sentient or something
cuz I assumed the riders were the Exalted, and the chariots were their own... thing..
lament coral
the chariots are the riders
static prawn
what a life to live after a life of glorious, limb having combat
lament coral
eh, they loved their chariots so much they turned into em in the afterlife
now they get to breeze across the green fields of Elysium and explode on collision, for all eternity
static prawn
oh my... what if you went to see Patroclus but he was a chariot
charred patio
Achilles used a chariot iirc but he was too in love with patroclus to be in love with his chariot
lament coral
he was a spearman
latent junco
hey guys
if i didn't beat the final boss with heat yet, but then beat it with heat, will i get credit to both, or just the one with heat?
earnest ravine
You only get the rewards for the current heat level.
latent junco
so i need to do it without heat as well for both bounties?
earnest ravine
Yup!
latent junco
ah ok
tepid ridge
^^^
proper jolt
I've really come around to using the Zeus Sheild
It can do some crazy damage
Sometimes more then chaos
Although chaos Is meant for burst
hybrid galleon
Zeus shield gives me depression
static prawn
Ugh, just got a game crash in Asphodel ):
static prawn
Yeah, during a than encounter
Game has been lagging too but to be fair I have an extraordinary amount of tabs open
Still a bit upsetting but nowhere near as much as when it happens during the Theseus fight
proper jolt
It lags for me when alot of enemies are on screen
static prawn
My game started lagging after I used f10 for the first time and hasn't relented since. I don't know if it is actually correlated but that's what it seems like
earnest ravine
another one for the zeus shield, our numbers grow
Did it persist even after a restart?
static prawn
Yeah, I've had multiple sessions since
Does reinstalling on steam risk loss of progress? I've never had to before
static prawn
If I lost 72 runs just like that I don't think I could bring myself to play again tbh
hybrid galleon
i can give you my save
if you want to
just in case it goes south but i doubt it will 😛
static prawn
Nah, I'm just a pit paranoid about loss of progress. I should try closing my long list of tabs first though. I'm so attached to them all...
hybrid galleon
your browser?
i heard there is a function that saves your tab after quitting, its useless for me but im sure you can find it useful
static prawn
I'll look into something like that, thx
static prawn
maybe I could just bookmark them all or something
naive tusk
@static prawn why don’t you try describing your problem at #h1-tech-support ? They might help if your problem persists
torpid turret
Almost had a run with all gods, just missed out on Ares rip
@static prawn Just go to documents/saved games/hades/ and make a copy of all your saves
latent junco
what does a clock looking thing on the heart meter mean in the codex?
latent junco
like zag's entries?
hybrid galleon
afaik it doesnt have hearts, right
latent junco
yeah but still
naive laurel
zag starts anxiously worrying about feeding himself nectars
hybrid galleon
lol
earnest ravine
Level 9??? gosh darn
torpid turret
Wasn't really much else to use poms on haha
rich cedar
Perfect clear title
naive tusk
I’m amazed 💙💦 🐠
static prawn
acorn is great against the fb. Pretty sure it can easily block over 100 dmg unlike a certain calcium based training dummy's tooth
torpid turret
If you have a run that starts with Poseidon dash I urge you to give it a try, it's loads of fun
Oof just realized my monitor was set to 60Hz, wonder how that happened...
marsh pawn
give up is OP
quartz crow
pretty sure you can reroll rooms via alt-f4 after autosaving
naive laurel
check this one lul
Lowest dps build ever
but, hades hit me for somewhere like, 15 dmg per spin
I lost all 3 dd against 7 blue-heart giving greatshields
quartz crow
ok. i need to know why everyone except one guy dislikes the idea of keepsakes being more useful
naive laurel
then got all 3 back from our saviour in elysium
quartz crow
7?
naive laurel
yes
quartz crow
thought it caps at 2
naive laurel
jury summons 60%
oh i mean 7 greatshields
that gives bluehearts to allies
benefits package
it caps at 5, actually
quartz crow
oh... never seen that perk yet
naive laurel
I don't have zeus special yet, so I lost 400 health to them
literally no dmg build, all dmg reduction at that moment
quartz crow
ok but is this broken or not?
naive laurel
kinda busted, 2bh
full dew
at a guess jex people dont want the keepsakes changed because it means you should always switch keepsakes every stage
naive laurel
7 greatshield that gives blue hearts can be a run ender for some weapons
quartz crow
what's wrong with that
naive laurel
imagine just to abuse butterfly/plume in tartarus so u have permanent +30% dmg or 12% evade
quartz crow
so
naive laurel
it makes 30 heat way easier than before, not very fair imo
full dew
is there enough chambers in tartarus to get to 30%?
quartz crow
15 chambers so prob
naive laurel
nope, but I guess 20% is possible
15 chambers is bound to have some freebie chambers
quartz crow
i think 13's the boss
it's no diff then cheesing with most broken build
isn't this ment for casual audiences?
naive laurel
casual have god mode, 2bh
and, it makes first keepsake stale
rn devs are going towards making every keepsake useable in biomes, imo making these 2 permanent just makes tartarus getting dominated by them
full dew
althought i wouldnt mind if those 2 were changed
quartz crow
but having 1 is boring
full dew
currently they are in a weird place
in that they are best on good players on low heat
but good players dont really play much low heat and at high heat they arent really worth keeping on because it becomes so much harder to fulfill their conditions
latent junco
uhh guys
latent junco
the final boss complimented me, he said "See.... you.... at... home..."
quartz crow
meg didn't tell me i beat her without mirror
quartz crow
... jealous
i farmed before i finally beat him a total of 3 times
so everything already happened
i think i keep farming only one keepsake left to max or not
regret unlocking nyx's key
she doesn't have a pet
🤦
naive laurel
2bh this doesn't look like a meme build to me :p
latent junco
why did i get nectar and darkness from one infernal trove?
latent junco
lol i got hermes and got an option to tell him to be quiet for a while or keep talking
static prawn
he's so thoughtful about your time
round summit
lol i got hermes and got an option to tell him to be quiet for a while or keep talking
do not silence him or I'll chase you down
latent junco
calm down artemis
do not silence him or I'll chase you down
@round summit
winter birch
Why does he ask that
hybrid galleon
@naive laurel i dont need anything aside from keep getting my special leveled up
naive laurel
@hybrid galleon which sounds like potentially more flexible to other builds to me.
hybrid galleon
for some reason im not getting boons
hybrid galleon
i love getting more boons than level up
naive laurel
I like taking non-upgradeable boons 2bh
they go into their max performance based on your own performance instead of pom rng
or...
lemme check where that pic is
or this @hybrid galleon https://imgur.com/GbjPmFs
pardon my ping
hybrid galleon
lol
naive laurel
There's aren't much unupgradeable boons tho
hybrid galleon
athena call
naive laurel
Actually
hybrid galleon
p nice to upgrade
naive laurel
it can
yeah
lvl 3 epic, 2.82s
I was ||half hyperventing|| on that greater call duration on stream
whoever think that's ok, lul
Side note, any unupgradable boons that u guys know? I see wiki has very very little of them tagged
winter birch
Is there anything that causes demeter to spawn more often
Because i swear shes in every run multiple times
naive tusk
She just cares for you ❄️
dense locust
Time takes its toll
naive laurel
oh f the god of rhymes is here
dense locust
Have no fear. Grab a glass of beer, your Eternal Spear, and get ready for your next run's clear.
quartz crow
but zag can't drink
winter birch
I think he just doesn’t want to
dense locust
And I was talking to the player, not to the played
proven tartan
what is the best build on bow with Chiron aspect? Ares attack, Athena dash, Dionysis cast, Demeter special + other boons with Demeter-Dionysis duo?
earnest ravine
Zeus attack might also be good, especially if lets you get the triple wombo combo of duo boons on your cast.
dense locust
for bow with chiron aspect, my favorite is ares attack
But if you're running artemis special, then aphrodite would be the best choice
so you can pick up heart rend
Also that build you laid out is probably the one I use the most
If you get ice wine with it, you're golden
ideal hammers would be flurry shot and then probably relentless volley
or actually chain shot maybe instead of flurry shot
proven tartan
chain shot + triple shot does a great work
and it works together
got Artemis special, Aphro cast, Poseidon ulti and relentless volley
not so good, but it can work
naive tusk
chain shot + triple shot does a great work
@proven tartan that does take care of its lack of AoE
I also like to take Blizzard Shot with Chiron. It’s so good with aoe and cc
proven tartan
its always lack of aoe with bow. i expect my build to be effective on bossfights
naive tusk
I like having Zeus, Demeter & Poseidon with their duo boons (Tempest Flourish for Sea Storm) with Chiron. It covers my needs overall
proven tartan
dense locust
I haven't focused much on my cast with chiron bow, mostly because the mirror traits boiling blood and it's alt are already quite strong, but after doing a number of runs with ice wine, I really want to try and incorporate it
static prawn
5 mort uses by Styx tho...
proven tartan
im not sure i gonna build something good with such a start
static prawn
oh wait
proven tartan
5 uses left
static prawn
i forgot all intermission zones look like that
dense locust
Just gotta force heart rend and athena dash
naive tusk
You might get it back 
dense locust
could always keepsake it
proven tartan
sold grey Poseidon dash
dense locust
unless you already used it...
gray lintel
based on experience it feels like you have 3 gods in your 'god pool' when you start a game. and then gods are added to this pool at... certain points? so if you see a ton of demeter, she's probably in the original pool and will hound you for the rest of the run
dense locust
ahh those aren't fated persuasions though
I find it hard to not use fated persuasion anymore because I can force boons I want most of the time
proven tartan
ok, let keep going. im sure i not gonna beat it with a first try
gray lintel
I don't know if gods are added to this 'pool' after bosses, or when you equip a god trinket.
dense locust
It's gonna be tough
especially with limited choices and underworld customs
but maybe you'll get lucky
@gray lintel Speaking solely from experience, it does seem that there are a select few gods that are heavily favored in any given seed
gray lintel
i am mixed on rerolls because apparently gold laurel rooms include gold as well
it is frustrating whe nyou are trying to focus on attack scaling and ares keeps trying to butt in and give you pom-dependent doom effects :x
or bladerifts I guess when you already have a cast
dense locust
True, but with god's keepsakes and a little luck, I'm usually able to get the key boons I need for my build, as long as I can reroll here and there. Of course there will always be those runs where the game clearly wants you to choose certain gods and there is nothing you can do about it
Anyone know if sniper shot damage affects arrows from chain shot that are far enough away?
proven tartan
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/638357994261839882/700190507422449744/unknown.png
so far so good. sold Artemis special
quartz crow
pretty sure you wouldn't want to be drunk if you are playing for real
default aspect of aurther is 20% dmg reduction... so does that = 100% if you add on 80%? one way to find out...
nope
naive laurel
was thinking about "bragging" about having all 3 original dd in the end but lost one
and..it's chaoes shield, but it's at least a start on clearing 32 heats
https://imgur.com/zZ4hZu0
Oh, I forgot to switch keepsake in the beginning of run so I went with bracer all run
naive tusk
Yay
naive laurel
clearly I still getting merciful end is.... lul
naive tusk
You got it nearly at the end of your run so it was just a plus lol
naive laurel
Lulul, but that's a huge dps buff so :p
proven tartan
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/638357994261839882/700197294750040064/unknown.png
im not dead yet 
got a Poseidon special with legendary boon 
dense locust
Merciful end and impending doom counteract eachother right?
I see you were blessed by a few DDs
quartz crow
if im able to beat meg with no god mode and no mirror i bet i can beat her easily with a mirror
dense locust
logically yes
If you can beat her now, then you could probably beat her more easily with buffs
quartz crow
it was hard with no mirror cause darkness regen is great
dense locust
Unless it gets to your head and you get too confident
It's the extra dash and extra lives that I find great
quartz crow
high confidence is prob good on pireced butterfly runs
isn't family favorite less consistant then the other one?
40% dmg insta vs waiting till you have 7 different boons
dense locust
It's not insta though
You have to have two status curses that you can keep up on enemies
If your build does a lot of damage right away, has difficult means of applying 2 status to enemies, or doesn't even have 2 status curses to apply, then family favorite is the obvious choice
quartz crow
good point
proven tartan
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/638357994261839882/700200735794790401/unknown.png
such wow
first 32 heat try with bow
quartz crow
50% dmg vs undamaged foes :/ why does backstab have to be mandatory. it's hard to tell what's a back
you spam call?
dense locust
Nice you did it!
It's funny how you've chosen to hone in on to 2-3 weapons whereas I was almost always keeping every weapon within 2-3 heat of eachother
different strokes
quartz crow
variety is the spice of life. minmax gets things done
stable onyx
nice i only completed with chaos shield
proven tartan
i feel safe when i kite them
dense locust
Bow is possibly the hardest 32 for me
that and sword
Although I really want to experiment with an ice wine build on bow
proven tartan
played spear, then some patch was released that reworked aspect i used
dense locust
Yeah my bow builds are usually demeter special to keep everything slow and ares attack for some extra damage
quartz crow
it's cool all of your attempts are logged
proven tartan
ice wine is stronk
dense locust
Achilles aspect spear with ice wine is insanely fun
not sure if it can 32 heat but at lower heats its awesome
stable onyx
x3 dash strike with crit on your attack is insane with spear
dense locust
I've tried it a couple times and it always makes me too vulnerable
quartz crow
wonder how crazy it'd be to plan out every possible choice you make
it'd be like programming
dense locust
If the enemy still has armor after i've attacked, they just bonk me on the head like im a fool
quartz crow
Q: does blitz disc move faster if special is faster
dense locust
there are speed runs for other games where that's pretty much exactly what happens
yeah
@quartz crow pretty sure it does
proven tartan
whats the next weapon i should try? have 34 titanbloods so i can spend it to unlock 5 lvl on any aspect
quartz crow
aurthur looks cool
dense locust
I was disappointed to find talos only targets one enemy
quartz crow
try putting crit on it
stable onyx
yeah i wish it pulled in multiple enemies
dense locust
Demeter just outclasses it
quartz crow
you want it to pull in a bunch of witches that survive the hit and then barrage you even if you dash away?
dense locust
I did a cast build on it which was pretty fun thoughj
That's the other thing, sometimes you pull in an enemy and they just immediately hit you
quartz crow
don't pull in wheels
proven tartan
i`ll try Guan Yu. I like lifesteal idea
dense locust
Guan yu special build is very powerful
At least how I like to play it, I main use spin attack for the lifesteal
quartz crow
spin attack does alot of dmg
dense locust
Get charged skewer and breaching skewer, artemis special
it does but the special is a lot safer
But both builds are valid
dense locust
I usually just cheese the last few enemies to pump my hp back up
static prawn
then spin would be really strong
right off the bat too. Not sure that would be good for balance
dense locust
To me, guan yu is a glass cannon with a built in heal mechanism
quartz crow
eh you're right. it's just like power shot on bull rush
dense locust
If you get charged skewer and epic artemis special, you'll be critting for 700-800 before the furies
quartz crow
if people can use that then people can use default spin
just not a fan of max dmg at max range
dense locust
The special is like a piercering explosive launcher
stable onyx
does guan yu have the same damage as other spear when you start?
stable onyx
ok makes sense
quartz crow
max spin increases radius and travel distance
max radius is like a max radius of the other spears
static prawn
guan yu has a ranged spin with multihit which is a huge yes from me
quartz crow
no wait i think it's smaller
or the radius buff is just 50% smaller
what keepsake is good for farming darkness? chaos?
nvm
naive laurel
@dense locust Oh I just pick the dark weapon every time
so the higher ones are just the stronger ones which I use better
and....33 heat shield run time
time to get f'd
naive tusk
Press F to pay respects
quartz crow
chaos didn't have darkness...
vital needle
ayyy
dense locust
@naive laurel normal mode or hell mode?
I know the common build is doom special with chaos aspect but I managed 32 heat with zeus aspect using aphrodite special and getting unhealthy fixation in chamber 7.... I did end up using 7 DDs though
quartz crow
... too much rng
i guess I'll just try raising heat then and get darkness in the process
dense locust
Having fated persuasions unlocked helps, but of course, they require a lot of darkness...
quartz crow
meanwhile i spent 8888 darkness and regret it
so neither have points in
the other 11 tiers surprisingly had 0 darkness when putting in the last upgrade. so close to regretting even more
quartz crow
i forgot she didn't have a companion
@naive tusk denzin fish fated list isn't on there
the wiki
naive tusk
naive laurel
@dense locust hell mode
naive tusk
I've been summoned
naive tusk
What do you mean by that Jex? 😮
lament coral
so add em
weird how Arthur doesn't disable the boom plants in Elysium
they're technically on the ground
naive laurel
https://imgur.com/YhwzXrF
Imagine drunken dash being main dmg source
naive tusk
@quartz crow You may add them to the wiki if you wish. The wiki can be edited by anyone
naive laurel
I'm currently too lazy for that, btw, don't look at me 
naive tusk
You've done a lot already and that's appreciated 
naive laurel
Actually, I'll take some time to add "cannot be upgraded by poms" to the boons
My brain can handle some ctrl c ctrl v
quartz crow
what does catch 50 mean? catch and hold or caught total? cause ive been selling em
aurthur plus god mode is pure cheese... ik what im saving up for in hellmode
turbid needle
You can't hold them, it's just caught at all.
quartz crow
ah thx
naive laurel
arthur different league bronze skin positive outlook bracer,
dense locust
Wait I just saw Thanatos hit for !11299
Whereas I've only ever seen him hit for !9999
naive laurel
lemme guess, sweet surrender
dense locust
Ahh it applies to his attacks?
naive laurel
13% sweet surrender, right?
naive laurel
lul it's instadeath anyways :p
dense locust
i know haha
naive laurel
blackout is busted imo cuz of the dmg boost is on the receiver\
imagine, it's not +100% dmg on your weapons, cuz u probably already have +200%
it's, literally, someone takes double dmg
On that note, I think keepsakes should be multiplicative as well
dense locust
So the only practical application of that distinction is that you could raise trap damage on them
Or companion damage
naive laurel
u mean, dmg amp on enemies and dmg +% on urself?
dense locust
Wait does blackout raise damage on yourself?
I mean damage amp on enemies vs damage amp through attacks
naive laurel
it's much, much more busted
dense locust
Or is blackout multiplicative
dense locust
wtf why is this the first im hearing of this
naive laurel
I mean, it's easy to understand
if description says "enemy takes xx% more dmg from xx"
dense locust
Sure, but I just assume its all additive due to that being the main trend
naive laurel
then it's based on them
dense locust
And then boons like heart rend not having the correct tool tip
naive laurel
Which is why sweet surrender is almost always felt directly
earnest ravine
Oh, yeah, that makes sense. a Different sources=different calculations rule.
dense locust
I heard heart rend is actually additive, but it should say 150% instead of 50%
and it's a coincidence that the multiplicative value of the base crit is the same as the additive value of +150%
dense locust
What do you mean
naive laurel
+50% can be a sheer number +, or it can be the 300% is increase by 50%
so it can be interpreted as 350% or 450%
dense locust
So that's the thing, apparently when looking at the code, it's an additive +150% to crit damage
naive laurel
But, based on clean kill, I think it's consistent
dense locust
so the entire description of it is just wrong
naive laurel
clean kill also describes a +17% (common) to the 300%
dense locust
but I haven't looked myself so i can't be 100% certain
dense locust
Yeah
I think the one take away is I hope they clarify these distinctions in the future
quartz crow
He was no match
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/695769434941554792/700233306536542238/unknown.png
i love how each form of those weapon guys count as a kill
dense locust
I'm gonna try abusing black out after this failed darkness farming run
quartz crow
im cheesing though
dense locust
I've had the sweep before but unfortunately there's no fun voice line if you manage to do so
quartz crow
aurthur plus healing hammer is more busted
goal is to record hell mode once game goes out of EA
since you can't cheat in it :/
finally a fated shows up
dense locust
By cheat do you mean god mode?
quartz crow
yah
naive laurel
Holy, demeter has so many unupgradable boons
She really hates this fruit I guess
||Oh wait, Persephone is tricked by hades with poms, no wonder||
I hope this is intentional
dense locust
What are the prereqs for black out
I'm not sure I'm interpreting Peach's diagram correctly
quartz crow
i keep forgetting to use the dang companions
dense locust
Don't worry, it happens to everyone
They come so late that you have to build a new habit
naive laurel
Oh i got blackout's prereq wrong too
on, flipping, stream
basically, u need any hangover except dash
and trippy shot
quartz crow
i don't think persophne is considered a spoiler
naive laurel
and u gucci
She kinda is
better spoil that one too, cuz not everyone here knows greek mythology
dense locust
gameplay channel allows for gameplay spoilers
naive tusk
The thing is, she is a story spoiler whereas companions are a game mechanic you can discuss without spoiling the story
quartz crow
but i thought i heard she was a spoiler for the game not for greek myth
and is it really a spoiler? it shows up so fast
naive laurel
No I mean not everyone knows greek myth, so they might not even know who she is first
dense locust
The guidelines are anything that is related to the story/dialogue of the game shouldn't be discussed; anything related to the actual gameplay is fair game
quartz crow
now this is a spoiler ||zagerus is dion||
clear dome
it is not
naive laurel
people who knows greek myth into this game will know who she is
and will know nyx is, well, ||not||
quartz crow
i don't know it but they revealed it too fast
clear dome
all who know greek myths would know it anyways
quartz crow
at the start you had no idea who she was you thought she might've been a love interest
dense locust
Man, this music makes me want to play through DOOM Eternal again
quartz crow
you prob would say you have to say redacted
imo only good stories deserve spoiler treatment
dense locust
Holy crap, having inferno bombs spawn from enemy deaths due to chaos makes the end of the "survive until the timer ends" rooms terrifying
clear dome
no
quartz crow
yeesh sorry
dense locust
It's just that once the timer expires
quartz crow
it just bugged me that a spoiler tag would pop up here
dense locust
a hundred bombs fly at you
clear dome
fun
dense locust
even though they cant hurt you, it's terrifying
(at least I think they can't hurt you)
quartz crow
well if they can't it's just a jumpscare
dense locust
Pretty much
quartz crow
meanwhile flamewheels are always a jumpscare
i have a fear of being chased
i think
kill me
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/695769434941554792/700243579049869392/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/695769434941554792/700243644954705950/unknown.png
clear dome
fuun
quartz crow
that was the reason for cheese pretty much. by using stuff i don't use
naive laurel
Tell me if u guys like this format more or the old ones
https://hades.gamepedia.com/Chthonic_Key#Obtaining_Chthonic_Keys
vital needle
naive laurel
Oh i changed some formatting stuff
seperated use of keys from obtaining of keys
2bh, I don't mind the look of the old keys
||maybe add this as a higher level of keys just like adding ambrosia when nectar is a thing||
vital needle
idk how they would repurpose them though
dense locust
Anyone know if ravenous will works the second you have no casts? Example: I toss out trippy shot and have stygian soul (just 1 cast). Does the damage increase apply to that cast?
naive laurel
Maybe, just maybe, instead of dropping darkness, hades has a 5% chance of dropping this key. As for what this key is used, I think we can brainstorm a newgame++ for this game
dense locust
There are a lot paths SGG can take with this game for late gamers
naive laurel
I think dmg is calculated on hit
dense locust
That was my assumption
So it pretty much always works for cast if you have stygian soul
I'm trying to get black out and ice wine
I have ice wine and the pre reqs for black out but no dice
hmm but that brings up another question, since ice wine is instant, I wonder if ravenous will works with it
dense locust
The instant it explodes is when my cast goes from 1/1 to 0/1
But of course there could still be a small imperceptible delay
I love pressure points with ice wine. When it crits, it crits hard
quartz crow
ok now that was hilarious
"don't let it go to your head?" -zag after beating gorden the warden's partner in crime
dense locust
Here's an odd thing that someone posted about a while ago and I initially thought it was a bug: https://imgur.com/TaM9odM
naive laurel
Oh that, I love arctic blast with ice wine
dense locust
But if you get the exact same chaos boon, it just combines them and levels it up
dense locust
Wow and numbing sensation at 38% on top of 10 stacks of chill is something else. And now with rare Killing freeze, that's 93% slow if all enemies are chilled?
serene jolt
The Demeter duos are crazy
vital needle
@naive laurel i got tiny vermin this run too....
naive laurel
-_-
i got tiny vermin 3 games in a row
won all 3 tho
tiny vermin is basically dev's response to "elite final chamber is easier than non-elite final ones"
"hey, let's make it a gamble, either lose a dd or clear it easy af"
dense locust
It's not even the duos, its just dio boons with demeter boons
serene jolt
I think the Demeter Duo on top of the Poseidon cast is even stronger than ice wine
naive laurel
which demeter duo u talking about in this situation
Oh u mean blizzard shot
ice wine is about staggering normal enemies
dense locust
I'm in love with ice wine right now
naive laurel
blizzard shot is about obliterating bosses
serene jolt
Blizzard shot
dense locust
I want to try incorporating ice wine into non cast builds
naive laurel
Things able to be knocked back easily sometimes take less dmg from blizzard shot
serene jolt
Have you tried Scintillating Feast for non-cast builds?
naive laurel
It's basically supplementary dmg on its own, it's, imo, not to be depended on
I got it one, I killed boss 10s faster than I should've, imo
so, not much of a diff
dense locust
I'm not big on it mostly because the duo isn't normally conducive to my builds
also having casts that stick into enemies has a lot of value through boiling blood or its alt
naive laurel
I've been loving abyssal blood recently
it multiplicatively stack with dmg reduction on urself, and weak
serene jolt
Aphrodite cast?
naive laurel
no i mean it stucking in them, the dmg reduction stacks with any source of weak
aphro cast can be a solution if u want both
applied very quickly, ofc
serene jolt
Yeah. I always thought what would make Aphrodite cast worth it.
This could be it
vital needle
naive laurel
"Each rank gives you +10% Attack & Special damage to foes with Cast Ammo in them" on the other hand...
vital needle
ez clears
naive laurel
it's worded so that the +50% is just additive
so it falls of hard late game, imo
but again, if it's "foes with cast ammo in them take +10% attack and special dmg for each rank" it's just busted
yep, a simple wording changes that much, imagine
naive laurel
that's not the issue imo, it's just not powerful enough for how restrictive it is
-25% speed and -25% dmg is always useful unless u are able to not take any hit in a run
serene jolt
One of my favorite is dio cast on aspect of Hera bow. It's not like anyone survives that anyway
naive laurel
try zeus cast instead
u'll be surprised how flexible it is
and unlike dio cast, u don't need to wait for the ammo to drop from fog
serene jolt
But does it do 3000+ damage?
I want the insane numbers
naive laurel
cuz zeus cast usually bounces everywhere
big numbers are nothing if it's not sustainable enough :p
naive laurel
life is overrated :p
naive laurel
Actually, the dps is ok, and it prevents dmg
but, it's not fast room clear, and it's reliably slow in ammo drop delay
with zeus, the ammo might drop somewhere else
instead of getting stuck in them
naive laurel
this looks flipping close af
weak rivet
serene jolt
He's so gloomy. I wanted to put him in a festive mood
quartz crow
im too bad i need g mode
clear dome
i use g mode 80%, ur still gud
quartz crow
tried going for all sorts of god's for the spear win (it was achilles)
man achillies is great for him
let's you dash to the opposite path his spin takes
dusky grove
quite clutch, no ?
just throwing the spear and waiting til you can chase alr takes away precious frames
naive laurel
my best weapons are all weapons w/ default mobility
dusky grove
kek
quartz crow
crit on spear is nice
naive laurel
demeter
no joke, 6 chill stacks on giga uppercut
u actually kinda want both atk and special to be demeter
then get arctic blast
I think I tried it once, boss just kinda melted
dusky grove
yea, depends on the type of weap, artic blast is kinda nice or sucks
naive laurel
not the triple aphro rocket blackout kinda melt, but still a good chunk of white health
turbid needle
Heartbreak Strike -> Deadly Flourish is Baby's First Aspect of Demeter, but if you move Weak to Dash or Cast (you hold the charge until you use it or move to a different Chamber) you can keep Heart Rend but use Attack for Zeus, Dionysus, or Athena.
quartz crow
ohhhhhh now i get the diagram @naive tusk
turbid needle
Also, use Explosive Upper and Long Knuckle if possible.
quartz crow
the 2 arrows leading to fully loaded mean you need both. i was looking at the any those one before ...
dense locust
Pick up the casts? But mine always regenerate...
dusky grove
turbid needle
"I think I'm gonna win."
dusky grove
got DUAL SHOT too
dense locust
So what does having abyssal blood, numbing sensation, killing freeze, and 10 stacks of chill do
naive laurel
@dusky grove U literally got the gold and silver god for cast lul
if u lose this imma rage for u
quartz crow
hydra with inferno bomb = yikes
naive laurel
Not that much 2bh
try flamewheels with inferno bomb
or, Skullomats with duplicate and slow aura
and inferno bomb, ofc
quartz crow
when you destroy the green head summon things they throw em
naive laurel
Once I shot a rocket, like 20+ inferno bombs fly towards me
quartz crow
inferno bomb is in bastion
revenge dynamite or grenade (forget what it's called)
atleast it isn't in the pact
brave dune
The shrine of Aioca or something
quartz crow
when squirtles get killed...
brave dune
Acobi
dusky grove
@naive laurel i mean, if u want i can send u my build of godliness rn
2 letters
EZ
quartz crow
i need to get fully loaded for fate
placid silo
quartz crow
dusky grove
good gracious
quartz crow
im already melting... so the extra dmg hmmm
naive laurel
@quartz crow start with some other god, and bet on artemis for 2ndary/3rd god, take base boon, then go with her arrowhead, to force more of her boons to appear
I did this to finally get fully loaded
after the prereq change, ofc
quartz crow
i think someone said twin shot deals more dmg in total. i just see it as 2 chances to proc
naive laurel
chain is better in this case imo
quartz crow
hmm "next boon has better rarity" closes shop then looks over... sees hermes
naive laurel
triple chainshot on the other hand, it's insanity
better hermes is kinda important
restore 20% dmg taken and 40% is completely 2 different things
think that as 20% dmg reduction and 40%
lament coral
chain clears rooms, dual clears individual targets
Zag bow struggles with multiple enemies
dense locust
Does armor on enemies reduce damage by 1/3? Using arthur with a chaos attack% upgrade and noticed my attack did 180 to a wretched witch with no armor and 120 to an Inferno-Bomber (which was, I think, wearing armor)
lament coral
it doesn't, it's just another HP bar
turbid needle
Armor has a damage gate.
lament coral
however, you can't overkill enemies
lament coral
so if an enemy has only 1 point of armor left and you deal 100 damage, they will take only 1 damage
turbid needle
Armor has to "break" before you can deal damage to HP.
dense locust
oh yeah
turbid needle
And what Zeppman said.
quartz crow
my goal is what will kill hades
dense locust
might have been the case
quartz crow
dense locust
my god, chaos really doesn't want me darkness farming anymore...
lament coral
Poseidon sword?
lament coral
eh, I'd take haste
quartz crow
half sec prob not worth
quartz crow
athena art duo and i already have em 😄
dense locust
hey now whats wrong with quick recovery
dusky grove
dense locust
Stygian soul for life
quartz crow
even when she's supposed to be happy she's a B
quartz crow
3?
dusky grove
ah yes 3
dense locust
3 runs and with probably a total of 10-11 chaos boons, and not a single one that gives extra darkness despite multiple fated persuasions.... maybe I should stop
void granite
chaos be that way sometimes
dusky grove
"Of all infinite possibilities, only these will suffice"
quartz crow
yah twin is going through armor and health
dense locust
I used up my luck last night where I managed +900% darkness at one point
naive laurel
Oh on that note, I got my 4th persuasion today on the hell save
and it's max on 4
sadly
quartz crow
i keep finding artemis boons im happy
oh great it's asterius. well time to melt him :/
dense locust
Yeah, although I can't imagine what they'd price a 5th one
quartz crow
i can't seem to tell when to power shot because doesn't twin reduce range?
quartz crow
thx. i think bastion did the same thing. idk if the special shield hammer that charges even shows anything
can you dislodge cooldown casts?
turbid needle
Yes.
They function identically with all weapons and Aspects.
But Lightning Rod does not spawn, automatically making it the superior option.
turbid needle
👏 BRING 👏 BACK 👏 FREAK 👏 ACCIDENT 👏
dense locust
50 heat clear
serene jolt
@dusky grove Demeter on Attack, Dio on special or Demeter on attack, Aphrodite on Special
dense locust
Freak accident was before my time, but 20 flat damage doesn't seem all that when it only triggers on crits
more useful than lightning rod of course
naive laurel
Lightning rod imo is what supplements off-cast dmg
u have a choice of not having to pick up the cast stones immediately
should situation forces u not to
quartz crow
this turned into cast spam lmao
turbid needle
Consider all the universal damage-ups that can be used, and the damage that lightning can put out if it carries Jolted.
naive laurel
I think all sources of lightning dmg carries jolt?