#h1-builds-and-combat
round summit
It looks bigger than normal, really
quartz crow
well when i die I'll find out
earnest ravine
Wait, isn't that the spin attack? Not the special?
quartz crow
sucks you can't reroll upgrades
round summit
nice way to find out
Wait, isn't that the spin attack? Not the special?
ah ye
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quartz crow
not special i just called it that cause it's special
idk what you'd call it besides spin attack
round summit
just spin attack really
quartz crow
didn't pay attention to what it's called
round summit
or like "healing attack"
quartz crow
if anything it's an ares cast
quartz crow
ik i saw but the spin doesn't really make sense on yu
earnest ravine
Then yeah. Any special upgrade would not apply to that, only Attack ones. If you did get the "larger spin attack" hammer, it does icnrease the size of it.
quartz crow
it's a disc
earnest ravine
Otherwise you just boosted the size of your explodey special.
quartz crow
yah it's spin attack
i know it is. it's just special comes to mind cause gun aoe is special sword aoe is special aoe is special
earnest ravine
Then working as intended! It's noticeably larger than default, 'll load my game up and show the normal size.
quartz crow
imma die soon
tawdry sail
There is no escape
quartz crow
well then default spear's upgrade makes it massive
does attack speed affect charges?
*charge times
sounds like it does on google
round summit
whait wdym
if it affects the spin attack charge?
bc if so I don't remember, but I guess there is a hammer specific for it, so boons won't
I guess that's it, may be wrong, prob am
quartz crow
hermes
someone was thinking the spin attack was so bad (im in the same boat with him on being interrupted. man that's so annoying) and he got responses. one of them mentioned that ways to make it more useful is attack upgrades since it affects dash attack, attack and it (but i think they got wrong on dash attack. also how come dash attacks don't get boosted from hades or achilles (forget which one)?
seriously though
the one reason corpus sucks so much now... i couldn't even get back in warframe
they made auras apply knockdown
and corpus is already full of knockdowns
quick thinking is a mod that uses your power's energy bar as emergancy health. but (i think they reworked staggers though not sure) when it happens you get staggered for like 1 or 2 secs
it's nice hades has one shot protection and even burst dmg protection
but the constant staggering...
can you even dash when you are staggerd? it's just frusterating planning a move and then some dolt knocks you back to square one
it's like it's really bad to try that attack again before getting somewhere safe
i just never do that...
also beat 2nd boss with lvl 0 guan yu (whatever default lvl is)
hmm.. it feels like skull earing is always on. idk either that or guan yu does a ton of dmg
round summit
hmm.. it feels like skull earing is always on. idk either that or guan yu does a ton of dmg
skull earing only applies when you're under 30%, so either you take loads of damage and heal pretty quickly, or you're living a dangerous life
quartz crow
i mean it says 70% reduced max health. it would only be true if it happens in chaos gates
oh im dumb...
cunning urchin
You know you can dash before you let go off the spear's spin attack, right? That gives you quite a bit more range. It has really good range either way.
quartz crow
yah i do that all the time
i got the hang of spear im no pro
i use achilles to go fast and be like NOPE
i didn't think to dash forward to attack cause i never do that
unless im using athena dash
dashing wave projectlies is great
cunning urchin
The spear's dash attack is great. Massive hitbox.
quartz crow
imo the 2 god perks i really need is knockback and deflect. one for rats and wagons the other for waves and other stuff
yah reason for using the spear was someone said it's versatile
i love being able to do everything at once
it gives variety
round summit
Zeus cast deletes big hordes or flamewheels or tiny vermins
you should try it
it also deals LOTS of damage
quartz crow
i like fog
quartz crow
when they don't have armor the stun is great
when people said the tip of the weapon does more dmg i think ik what they mean
i see backstabs proccing
maybe it deals an aditional instance of dmg?
sounds great for zues
finally got spin attack speed
i really like the special on this one. i find it to be as slow as a backstab from default (talking about guan)
but it's got an aoe
makes skulls and bullets go away
idk for spear achilles and guan seem just as fun
except trying to stay alive takes so long
cunning urchin
If you can get a big HP buff from Chaos with Guan Yu, that helps a lot.
Especially if you get it early. Almost brings you to normal HP.
quartz crow
what does increasing guan lvl do? someone said it takes 20 blood to make it usable
reduce the reduction?
also at thesus fight
cunning urchin
Yeah, you have more HP.
In increments of 5%.
–70%, –65%, etc.
Sad that the spin attack doesn't go through walls anymore though.
earnest ravine
"Huh, you know, I haven't played Guan Yu in a while and talking about it made me want to do a run with it..."
The game: "We will show you what you've been ignoring!" https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/460696651439407106/698611579532607598/20200411115623_1.jpg
If I'd gotten aphrodite at all it'd have been hilarious to try for Heart Rend but alas
cunning urchin
Nice.
earnest ravine
Kinda wish I'd gone faster though. goodness knows i could have if I hadn't zoned out between rooms
quartz crow
holy
i love guan yu
i tanked the crap and athena dash helped alot.
i just melted them
i tanked a bit of poison
naive laurel
guanyu and cursed slash basically turns your game from "not get hit" into "get hit to do more dmg but keep the balance"
draining upper doesn't do that much
unless u got nourished soul with it
quartz crow
the spin seemed to do enough dmg it melted minotaur
revenge is kind of rare i don't think ill be grabbing them anymore
mossy breach
aparently the dual boon from ares-zeus, that makes revenge damage trigger every few secs works with all the revenge boons you have. So zeus, ares, aphrodite and athena boons all can trigger at the same time. Pretty cool interaction
naive laurel
Yes, but as I have said in the feedback, 2ndary application of ares and Aphrodite's revenge is worse, with ares being completely useless. Athena's revenge also prevents taking multiple instances of dmg in a short duration, which is both good and bad.
But again, that's why it's 3.5 s interval of triggering\
Imo Vengeful mood + holy shield is one of the more op boon combos
Btw, is it true that convenience fee doesn't affect the styx final shop?
tired elk
What's the usual shield aspect?
naive laurel
What do u mean by bounty isn't affected?
quartz crow
woo i got titan blood by selling boons in styx sell shop
severe depot
I'm locked in a room with Patroclus. I picked an upgrade and looked around the room for anything else to action on but there's nothing and the exit's locked. I also cannot give up on the run since all i have is quit as an option, and there are no baddies in the room. I have exited out and gone back in. I updated my drivers and made sure everything was up to date.
shadow oriole
the price of the bounty item in the styx shop is not affected by convenience fee, all other items are
naive tusk
Bounty being either Titan Blood or Diamond 💎
@severe depot by picking an upgrade you mean you’ve talked to him, right? If so, and if you can’t proceed onwards, I suggest you 
it (report it via bug reporter)
severe depot
Yes i talked to him, and searched the room. i did also report the bug. i'm feeling out if anyone has any suggestions besides tanking my save.... o.0
naive tusk
Hm, the next chambers’ rewards should be visible on top of the doors for the doors to be opened. If you’ve talked to Patroclus, and the doors can’t be opened/aren’t showing any rewards, I guess you got trapped, unfortunately 
severe depot
@naive tusk No they're greyed out it's almost as if nothing triggers when you talk to him. Zero change in the room from before to after talking.
i'm wondering if there is a value that i could manually change to force a trigger to get the game to move forward, if there is such a thing coded in this game. like a value that changes when you talk to him that might be able to be changed.
naive tusk
Did you get an upgrade from Patroclus? ( Kiss of Styx Premium, Hydralite Gold, or Cyclops Jerky Select)
Or did you gift him some nectar?
severe depot
i have tried taking all the upgrades from him one at a time and i did try gifting him nectar and nothing changed....
naive tusk
It’s a really rare occurrence, what’s happening to you right now. I’ve never had that issue in any of my runs. You don’t have any mods active, do you?
Also, you can only get 1 item from him, not all 3
severe depot
no outside influences on the game, and yes i know. i would take one upgrade and nothing would happen, quit out, take the next, nothing happens, exit out, take the next, so on
naive tusk
Oh my, don’t tell me you can’t even get back to the House 😱
severe depot
no cheat engine no code readers nothing, nope all i have is quit not even end run because there are no enemies to influence any damage. so i cant even give up...... i can only just quit...
I LIKE PATROCLUS BUT NOT THIS MUCH DANGINT!!!
naive tusk
If you already it and posted on technical support, I’m afraid there’s nothing more to do but wait until someone gets back to you. I’m sorry you are trapped in that scenario 
turbid needle
@fallow niche You're all a bunch of loonies.
naive tusk
That was pretty random, Schpoon 😂
turbid needle
Time is an illusion, and so is replying to comments in a timely manner when I'm in the middle of sleep madness.
Peach, while you're here, am I reading the Dio tree correctly? If you acquire High Tolerance and then pawn Trippy Shot, you can still get Black Out?
severe depot
well dang.... huh i wonder if i can seduce patroclus.... ehh. probably not.
i shall wait
naive tusk
Yes, as well as Scintillating Feast. Weird, I know, but it’s in the code
turbid needle
If we're still set to get more boons I'd love to see a Festive Fog revenge boon from Dionysus.
naive tusk
Of course, noone would do that because then those 2 would be useless hehe
turbid needle
(I liked the Greater Call quotes, by the way)
naive tusk
(Thank you! I’ve been wanting to include them )
weak rivet
Unrelated but does redacted just ignore skelly keepsake sometimes
Like i remember two times where i was SURE i had skelly but i died instead of it activating
Think it was the laser attack both times i dont know???
naive tusk
Do you think that, maybe and just maybe, they left High Tolerance like that because they plan on adding Festive Fog somewhere else? 
Someone was just commenting on how Redacted killed Skelly really quickly so I’d say so
naive tusk
Oh, then it that case, it can still activate as normal. It doesn’t matter who you are facing
naive tusk
If that happens again, be sure to it because that’d be a bug
weak rivet
I could try and test it out
Idk how that would go tho
ill look out for it, i know it has happened once before but both times i wasnt sure enough to f10
naive tusk
Preferably as soon as you die (animation starting to play)
weak rivet
And first time actually i didnt know what f10 is
naive tusk
If you get back at the House, the devs won’t have the info they need to analyze the data
weak rivet
The poor supergiant employee looking at my savefile and all the bad boons: OHOHO LOOK AT TGIS DUDE
naive tusk
Nah, they aren’t bad if they helped you make it that far 
quartz crow
note to self: don't try to farm gold
quartz crow
if i can get around 100 gold for each epic then id need to get around 15 epic boons plus other stuff
but im multitasking so it isn't efficient
multitasking the keepsakes and cycling through aspects and dark thirst for variety
naive laurel
there's only "save" gold, which is what i did when nighty night comes out and golden touch becomes a thing
naive tusk
Playing with Dark Thirst will ultimately get you thousands of Darkness in the long run. Trust me, I know 
naive laurel
on my normal save
imagine...2000 gold on entering styx
Also, if anyone's free, feel free to check this page and see if there's anything needed for update, cuz I'm pretty sure a lot of the numbers in here are wrong, as far as i know eclipse and affluence numbers are better than stated.
https://hades.gamepedia.com/Chaos
Imma go play a bit, so i'll be late on reading, just @ me if for anything
quartz crow
this time im just gonna sell when i get to styx
fallow niche
turbid needle
Not me, man, I don't speedrun. 
quartz crow
so does killing freeze mean every enemy visible needs to be proccd? taking it's that so won't get it
but sounds decent for bosses... hmmm
screw it
earnest ravine
It's incredibly powerful on bosses and elite rooms yeah. It only takes some time to get going on enemy swam rooms (but if you get Demeter's call in a standard room and hit everything they melt).
naive laurel
zeus dash and jolted got early does do tons of dmg lul
it carried me through asphodel so far
quartz crow
all this for a diamond... yah ill stick to farming keys
duo or legendary for fated list?
which one is rarer?
picked legendary cause read it's rarer
naive laurel
I have no idea how blizzard shot does SO MUCH DMG even when my Poseidon cast is common lvl 2
And I got season storm too, so a triple cast on thesus phase 2 single handedly killed him
but it was already demolishing armored exalted like they are nothing
before I got it
naive laurel
yeah.....I guess it's piercing but also pushing them into itself while it travels?
1 cast does 1k dmg to a thing if it goes through them, not counting the sea storm
when it's just a common cast
sullen valley
Oof
naive laurel
Yep, and it perfectly stack with sea storm
so, that's like, 1.5k dmg just by these 2 duo boons
Ok now i got jolted in styx
this is gonna be nasty lul
I'm not sure if 2nd wave is gonna mess that up, but why not
yep, killed hades in 80s
I might now always start with demeter and not take any cast until aspho when I decide which op cast duo boon I want lul
naive laurel
I myself also think Poseidon having such good duos is compensation for his crappy god identity
these 2 duos literally melts
naive laurel
yeah true, but others are fairly busted too 2bh
tepid ridge
Blizzard shot is absolutely amazing. Shot four of them at the final boss last night and it alone fully charged my god gauge.
naive laurel
exclusive access sweet nectar are both pretty busted 2bh
so, 4 duo boon all pretty busted..
anyways, check this hades melting fest
The only time I got this long of white bar on hades is probably with stygian soul 4 cast stone guided laser double cast 40%
sullen valley
Eh, Sweet Nectar seems okay. I think it's cool when you're in Styx, what with those 300 Obol Poms.
naive laurel
I think there was 1 run where I got sweet nectar in tartarus? I got most of my upgradeable boons to at least lvl 4
Iirc a lvl 8 artemis cast too
It just.....scales out of control, good thing there's diminishing return on the scaling
sullen valley
Nnnnnice
naive laurel
@sullen valley Ok that's something I wanted to suggest but donno how to properly word
naive laurel
instant thumbs
sullen valley
I have the good ideas ^-^
naive laurel
Yeah, so now I'm leaning towards poseidon and demeter start instead of artemis now
the duo boons of them are flipping scary
sullen valley
Don't forget about Artemis, now. She pairs extremely well with Hestia, don't forget it!
naive laurel
Ugh......not very sure about that
I personally see demeter attack on hestia being good, since it's very flexible
want huge dmg? U can snipe
want stacks? keep firing
Ofc, I'll get pressure points w/ that setup :p
sullen valley
Eh, that's a fair point. There's always options for acquiring both with Pressure Points, if I wanted to lean towards one damage tactic or another, it can depend.
Hestia deals a large amount of damage instantly? I would acquire Artemis.
Zagreus has a greater ammo capacity? Demeter.
naive laurel
2bh, after a while I gave up on hestia, it feels good but it sucks in aoe dmg unless u don't build towards it
but if that'
then hestia shot is not powerful
sullen valley
Piercing Bullets also work
naive laurel
Kinda, but still, I might try triple zeus cast for compensation tho next time
sullen valley
But yeah, usually you'll also have to rely on methods other than your single attack.
naive laurel
After a long while, I find stygian soul actually fairly lacking since u usually don't rely on cast on bosses
anyways
so triple cast stone being bad against boss isn't that big of an issue
sullen valley
Stygian Soul is actually pretty fast if you think about it.
naive laurel
yeah, but after a while, the burst dmg from triple becomes, well ,suddenly very tempting in normal encounters
sullen valley
It's like an ability with a short cooldown, like Bombard.
Eh, I would honestly use Infernal Soul for boss encounters if I had to choose.
naive laurel
really? Intersting
Stygian is faster than internal in matter of cast stone per sec I think
sullen valley
You can get 4 active stones
Probably 5, but not for long.
If you pay special attention to the cooldown, of course.
naive laurel
Oh that 4 cast stone stygian soul run
naive laurel
holy
sullen valley
Crush Shot and I think Demeter's Cast Blast
Unless it was Artemis Shot and Dual Shot...
One or the other
Yeah if you really want to rely on Casts more, seek Chaos
naive laurel
I absolutely got addicted to the crush shot sound
Imma force this next time I got bow
I never use it, but the sound on revenge is enough for me usually
sullen valley
Pft, eh, I now associate it with godammit my [][][][]ing bloodstone is stuck in the wall PLEASE YOU'RE IN RANGE OF THE PARTICLE EFFEC-
No seriously
naive laurel
I mean crush shot ofc
naive laurel
yep, better pair stygian ofc
naive laurel
Iirc there's a bug that bugs crush shot with hera?
sullen valley
Crush Shot is really good if you're alright with inconsistency at times.
how in the what does it even work with Hera.
naive laurel
wait, what u mean :p
I remember someone reporting it not working with hera cuz it does not dmg the target of the attack
sullen valley
Like...how does Crush Shot work with Hera again?
naive laurel
u load it into hera and fire?
sullen valley
Yeah but
naive laurel
it pops at hit or max distance
sullen valley
does it damage in front of you or does it damage enemies around your first impact
Oh hum
naive laurel
I did a true shot hera run earlier cuz I have aphro attck and chain attack
sullen valley
...I just realized that Hera is the perfect CQC Bow Build.
naive laurel
so it's pretty funny that I turned something that's supposed to be aoe into single target, and someting that's supposed to be single target into free aoe
The result is even if my shot kills someone, the 3 true shots is fired at the end of that attack
sullen valley
Not only does it have the default Special Attack, but independent of your Attack damage, your Cast will deal it's own separate pool of damage.
naive laurel
and they start homing way more efficiently than if i cast them
yep, so it busts armor foes like a joke
sullen valley
You can shotgun with your Special, and deal some quick and cheap damage if you run up to the boss and hit them with Demeter's Cast Blast by loading your cast, before firing it
naive laurel
I improvise my run on the fly usually, cuz I don't re-set at all
give up is not for me
on the true shot run, There's this once I loaded all 3 true shot into the bow, fired it, and the attack have chain attack
so it and the casts killed 5 splitters at the same time
flipping halarious
I can literally see the true shots homing in, but the splitter died cuz of atk, so it changes target, and it happens again
sullen valley
Just like Connect 4, I try to go for one strategy, it collapses simultaneously as I'm given a new one...and it works?
Kind of?
naive laurel
usually
But the higher than heat, the less room for error
if u got a strat when u have no dd....
sullen valley
Somehow I managed to end up in Styx with a good amount of HP...
but no Death Defiances
naive laurel
I mean, there were some recent runs where I took less than my max health's dmg against hades w/ a melee weapon, so it's doable
sullen valley
Then Athena gave me a Death Defiance boon. Pretty sure I burnt a Skelly Tooth too
naive laurel
Oh I usually look forward to that boon in styx
sullen valley
Beforehand, I had burnt through a Kiss of Styx on my way
naive laurel
cuz when I go for athena, funnily, I usually burn at least 2 of my dd in elysium
Eat dd like breakfast
sullen valley
I lost a DD to Tisiphone, I lost a DD to the Hydra, somewhere in Elysium, and then the guys.
I'm still only on single-digit Heat, too, so I'm just like
*******oh c h-AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-
naive laurel
Oh I lost a dd to alecto in that run, cuz I only have zeus call and common poseidon cast against her lul
naive laurel
I did saved the bouldy use against her
sullen valley
Megaera is the easiest and Tisiphone the second easiest
turbid needle
Yes, Piorda.
naive laurel
ugh, not very much so if u wanna use the bouldy charge
last phase is somewhere like 1300 health so after that hit she has.. very little
I find tisiphone assisting is the most annoying
sullen valley
Yeah...
naive laurel
the flipping circles in a FLIPPING RECTANGLE THAT NEED MORE THAN 1 DASH
sullen valley
The bombs are so easy yet I keep *************
I almost never get used to them
The Smoke Screen definitely needs a rework
naive laurel
smoke screen is....ugh
but that's ok since I hard tank furies sometimes
I usually have full health against them
a bit dmg is...kinda fine
sullen valley
I have good memory I think.
At least enough memory to both dish damage and evade well...enough.
hybrid galleon
remind me what are smoke screen
is it the one at asphodel where the ground farted
naive laurel
support furies creates vision hindering stuff
hybrid galleon
you mean the circles?
i dont remember they ever smoke screen you
despite playing like a lot of rounds in EM Furies
naive laurel
Tisiphone does it when she's supporting
sullen valley
What if
you had an addendum to Extreme Measures
that, with each rank, buffs the Extreme Measure aspects of the bosses
i.e. Megaera's Bullet Assist spins instead of shooting in just the 4 cardinal directions
Lernie immediately loses his neck, and the magma spaces between the islets are slightly larger,
brave dune
So Extremer Measures?
hybrid galleon
How about stop making EM hydra worse
sullen valley
Asterius gets a layer of Armor Health, and Theseus can try to shoot you as he's circling
snrk
brave dune
Oh thank god I'm not the only one that hates EM hydra
sullen valley
god reactions good reactions
sullen valley
Hydra is so annoying
hybrid galleon
I dont take criticism from someone fails at nulling projectiles using bow specials
sullen valley
snrk
brave dune
sullen valley
brave dune
I don't know how to fight EM Hydra fairly
hybrid galleon
thing is
brave dune
it always ends up being chaotic action during his second phase with the six heads
hybrid galleon
anything rely on dashing is only making it worse
because 99% of the time you will go into lava
or magma
and take some unnecessary damage
sullen valley
every time I see 1 or 2 damage emotionally hurts me
hybrid galleon
for example, sword makes me wanna cry fighting em hydra
sullen valley
Oh god
brave dune
I've learnt to cycle the heads. You go from island to island doing damage instead of actually fighting them
naive laurel
for me em hydra usually is the easiest
brave dune
and just keeping an eye out for red or pink aoe
naive laurel
amongst 3
brave dune
you're hellspawn @naive laurel
naive laurel
em Asterius is annoying af
hybrid galleon
theseus is a meme
brave dune
Theseus chariot is easier than normal Theseus
hybrid galleon
em bull is ez
naive laurel
Nah
naive laurel
I almost never lose dd to hydra, usually takes 3 jaw hits and that's It
brave dune
You don't even have to watch for his spears anymore, he's glowing golden with massive aoe circles, ez to dodge
what's dd
oh death defiance
hybrid galleon
his spear is easier to dodge
naive laurel
Yeah, Wait until his missiles bounce to somewhere u dash into without warning
hybrid galleon
just hide behind one of the pillar and then talk to aesterius in the alleyway
naive laurel
poof 70 health gone
brave dune
people get hit by the missiles?
hybrid galleon
i got hit like once
brave dune
it's all red and glowy..
naive laurel
Not the warned ones
naive laurel
It Flipping bounced off the pillar
brave dune
It..
hybrid galleon
oh yea
hybrid galleon
dumb stuffs that are in a game for some reason
bombs can be blocked by walls
and bounce back
that includes dio cast, rail q
naive laurel
Yep
quartz crow
i beat meg without moving lol (granted godmode was on but still)
brave dune
that's weird. Most probably a bug
brave dune
no I mean for theseus
hybrid galleon
they probably operate the same
quartz crow
when i said no dashing i ment no moving
hybrid galleon
since its also the same bomb from rails
quartz crow
so no wasd
naive laurel
I never stand in red zones, but bounced missiles are out of my control
brave dune
yeah but one is not supposed to happen and the other is..
yeah idk about the bounced missiles thing
quartz crow
a hammer screwed me over. the one that bounces
spear was here then here then "where'd it go?" in lava ashpodel in spear golf is torture
turbid needle
But in general chaining attacks need work on their "accuracy".
naive laurel
I can follow theseus and hit him like a joke after Killing Asterius, but getting These missile bounces when Asterius's triple lunging, no ty
quartz crow
you move when you retrieve. and tech it didn't stick me in lava it's a joke but it could've. had to find the hitbox of rewards to teleport to them
turbid needle
Theseus throwing bombs all over the perimeter while Asterius is doing his best Suzaku impression? No thanks.
Oh, you've got Achilles?
quartz crow
yah
hybrid galleon
achilles is dumb
turbid needle
You can hit Attack to recall it.
quartz crow
uploading a dumb run rn
turbid needle
It's really hard but really powerful.
quartz crow
died during medusa fight go figure
turbid needle
I think it needs a bit of work to make it just a little more user-friendly.
hybrid galleon
also probably stop using god mode if you feel like you wanna improve
quartz crow
ahem
turbid needle
God Mode reduces its difficulty on its own.
quartz crow
i was multitasking farming
hybrid galleon
a pair of training wheels hurts you in the long run
hybrid galleon
i dont agree with that logic but ok
turbid needle
Just using Raging Rush?
quartz crow
pretty much
turbid needle
I extra hate Chain Skewer for that reason, because while it's bouncing between two walls burning all of its bounces I can't Attack nor do I have the damage bonus for Casts.
hybrid galleon
sounds like shield will be better for you if you wanna just do 0 dash no move
quartz crow
im not a great player by any means but i can reach "redacted" without godmode.
i didn't think it would screw over my trajectory
almost done
i really don't like the fact obs uses your desktop vollume to determine the vollume of your mic and game
i amped the tv up to max so i can just adjust that slider for whatever needs it (gets pretty loud and quiet here)
sullen valley
What do you guys do with Achilles' aspect? It's a lil weird to me
turbid needle
Stygian Soul Cast builds.
You don't need to chase Bloodstones (though you desperately want Chaos) and Poms never really stop scaling.
quartz crow
it's 360p atm but here
https://youtu.be/TG-0-RXpzis
sullen valley
I've beat Hades well enough without Chaos's +Bloodstone boons
Though, I won't argue that they help
naive laurel
achilles aspect need 1 extra cast stone for Stygian soul, ans that's It.
I recommend taking bone hourglass from elysium to buy cast buffs from wells.
sullen valley
What's the extra cast for?
naive laurel
2 stacks of +150%?
then 2 cast stones
or 4, but 4 is harder to get than 2
@naive tusk Imma upload those onto the wiki, u fine w/ that? Since I noticed all have watermarks
naive tusk
Of course! Feel free to do so 
turbid needle
Abyssal and Boiling Blood? No.
naive tusk
You can only pick 1 of the 2
vagrant jewel
Can I ask about Titan's Blood and how best to spend them?
Should I unlock all weapon aspects or should I upgrade one aspect to max first?
I think I'm doubting my choices...
turbid needle
Build stuff you like, but you get more than enough Titan Blood and every weapon has either a good or top-tier Aspect at its disposal.
vagrant jewel
So there's no wrong or right way to use titan blood?
turbid needle
Nope!
vagrant jewel
That's a relief 😄 Thank you
Oh and how high can one weapon aspect go? I mean what's the max level?
quartz crow
well if guan yu takes around 20 to max out and the first upgrade is the same as the unlock cost.. maybe the cost x X?
vagrant jewel
hurgh!
quartz crow
wiki could prob do it faster but if you look at someone showcasing them maxed you could see the stats then divide it until you get an even number
divide it against the base i guess
hybrid galleon
first (zag tier) goes 1/1/1/1/1
vagrant jewel
@_@
hybrid galleon
second goes 1/2/3/4/5
third goes 2/2/3/4/5
last 3/3/3/3/3
funnily enough the last one takes less titan blood to fully upgrade
while the third one (og olympian tier) takes 16
vagrant jewel
Ooooh
quartz crow
i want to get authur. looks so cool. guan is fun
but acchiles is more fun. guan is just surviving then again it does change everything about it except the dash attack
the special is cool
vagrant jewel
Thanks guys 🙂 I'm sticking to one weapon for a while. Until I've collected enough blood
naive laurel
@sullen valley I mean 2 stacks of spear cast dmg buff, ofc.
@naive tusk Got it done, definitely not realizing how much it took lul, double checking is pain :p
sullen valley
Uh...
naive laurel
Good thing I'm listening to Hades ost while doing it :p
naive tusk
Oh, let me check for you then
quartz crow
i heard spear is the most versatile. what's everyone's fav weapon type?
naive tusk
@naive laurel Only Zeus is missing. Also, I added a quote to Artemis' just like the rest, but it really doesn't matter. It was more a personal touch hehe
naive laurel
gonna pause game and go add it then :p
also, zeus atk zag rail, and cluster bomb w/ demeter special
prob gonna be easy
@naive tusk got both done, OCD kicking in
deft chasm
The Sisyphus Favor seems totally bugged for me, I unlocked all the quest triggers including talking to Hades and Meg, but the House contract for Sisyphus is still not showing up.
vagrant jewel
I fancy the shield lately after the bow.
Though it really depends on the boons you get. I got mostly Athena's deflects and Demeter's chill for special and atk, and they both saved me from Hades' laser blast.
Aaaaand I just died not 5 encounters in Tartarus bahahahah
I took Chaos' boon that reduces my HP by 49%, and I ended up with only 2 HP max XD
That was a mistake.
earnest ravine
As long as you don't get hit you're fine, right >.>
vagrant jewel
I know bruh I'm such a fool
Yes, that was the idea 😂 But stygius requires you to get close to your enemies, and my timing was off so I got clumsy.
More to learn then
sullen valley
o o f
naive tusk
@naive laurel You are awesome
naive laurel
(proper use for dusa for intended purpose agane)
Also, hermes atk buff and flurry fire on rail
and zag aspect too
this is gonna be funny
hybrid galleon
i am heavy weapons guy mode
naive laurel
and i got support fire w/ it
also +30% dmg w/o cast stone
killed king and bull in 1 min lul
imma try get hades under 50s
i barely even use my spread bomb atm
Welp, killed him in 90s, not my best
delicate nimbus
I got the bastard for the first time!
quartz crow
isn't zag all about fire? oh that's why it's called heat... still havn't unlocked it yet
naive tusk
Now go rejoice with some Nectar or Ambrosia 🥃
quartz crow
90s 50s? what is this times?
naive laurel
Oh i have it kinda recorded and I timed it, it's roughly 90s
naive tusk
It’s when you are used to it
It gets easier because you’ve had more practice and you know more about patterns and such
naive laurel
Yeah, but i just used 3 dd to hard tank hades and got 60 health left while I have 328 max
Cuz I was seeking quick kill and the way is to stand still and open heavy weapon fire
Also, imma open an ambrosia cuz I just got a monopoly of wiki's recent change page 
naive tusk
I’m guilty of doing that as well. Just hard tanking to get it over with faster 
naive laurel
I almost died this time tho, lul, cuz I ate his cast too much
And I equipped distance memory to accelerate
naive tusk
Oh, that can make you take up to 80 HP per hit. Not to be underestimated 
naive laurel
Yeah...
Also, iirc, Demeter, Aphro and zeus can take ambrosia now right
that page prob need to be updated too
stiff flume
i wanna play something new 🤔
how would i go about making a cast build
never done it before
gray lintel
step one: flail your arms and panic
step two: get a spell
....that's pretty much it :S
stiff flume
stiff flume
and what boons do i go for
naive laurel
If on low heat, sure
stiff flume
heat would be around 12, im just working all weapons up atm
naive laurel
If 20+ heat, better get a fitting weapon
stiff flume
or sword 15
gray lintel
okay so like the two cast things are Hera or Posideon aspects. Eris on the gun can also work because the damage boost I think works with casts.
stiff flume
i dunno, never done it 🤷♂️ just looking for suggestions
gray lintel
Spear with Achilles gets a cast bonus after the rush.
unkempt pagoda
strongest one would either be a full dio cast build with both scintillating and ice wine, or a hunting blades build
crystal clarity would be under that
gray lintel
aspect of talos can also get a cast bonus
naive laurel
Imo, go for the dark weapon
unkempt pagoda
blizzard cast would also be somewhere in that
stiff flume
but isnt it hard to get your cast back on the dio cast
unkempt pagoda
if you're going a full dio cast build, use hera for full burst potential
stiff flume
since it doesnt drop when enemies are killed
unkempt pagoda
it drops in the same position it was placed
stiff flume
where you kill an enemy and all the casts in him drop
gray lintel
anyway thing one you need for a cast build: some way to cast. A lot. the regenerating casts I like, but for that you also need more casts. I got +2 cast gems from chaos for that. With pickup casts there is Ares and Dionysus casts, yes.
unkempt pagoda
it drops as soon as the cast is done, which is a few seconds
alternatively, use stygian soul and get chaos +1 cast boons and don't worry about picking up stones at all
naive laurel
Or, u can try triple cast poseidon cast, but u better get the duo boons for poseidon
gray lintel
Thing two: Cast scaling. Chaos boons can help. Stuff I mentioned can also help. Artemis has double cast that you almost always want, Demeter has a burst of damage on a cast, Exit Wounds works on bosses and basically nothing else.
naive laurel
I'd say both have some good dmg methods, but both are more aoe than single target
so u better have a plan for bosses
stiff flume
hmmm
unkempt pagoda
stygian soul with a chaos +1 boon or two, on a fully decked out dio cast build demolishes the game
naive laurel
But that's a big gamble 2bh, and 3s is pretty long
I tried both, and from my experience 2 stygian soul cast is slightly worse than 4 normal cast
stiff flume
i'll try hera + zeus for now
naive laurel
Hera zeus usually blaze through tartarus
since it 1-shots everything
regardless of armor, which is a big plus
gray lintel
I am not entirely sure if there even is a bad damage spell :x
stiff flume
what other boons should i aim for once i have the zeus cast?
gray lintel
Poseidon and Zeus have 60 base damage which is the lowest. 70 on Artemis but in practice it can be highest from crits.
stiff flume
artemis double cast thingy?
naive laurel
Jolted, artemis double cast, OR, get a backup single target dmg plan
gray lintel
Surprisingly Athena's cast is quite strong at 85 base damage.
naive laurel
But, I still recommend getting chain shot
Having 3 dd against hades w/ aoe dmg build is, imo, still better than having 1 dd against hades w/ single target dmg build
gray lintel
Artemis possibly has the best cast support boons in the game.
downside, you have to get one of artemis's sorta lackluster unless built for attack/special/cast/dash/call replacements :x
stiff flume
chamber 7 and i dont have the zeus cast yet... room 1 a useless hammer and then just darkness/keys/gems and demeter
😒
naive laurel
what hammer choices....
naive laurel
Holy
tripple and rapid are both good backup plan options
please tell me u took either
naive laurel
good, now u are safe to pass tartarus on itself
gray lintel
keep in mind that like even as a 'cast' build your ability choices can be used for utility effects
gray lintel
like posideon both knocks people away and is possibly the highest damage in the game with walls
naive laurel
or has zeus appeared on a erubus choice
naive laurel
weird
gray lintel
weak is generically good, doom can help clear chaff, chill... is chill if you can apply it quickly
naive laurel
gray lintel
oh yeah i was going to ask does the bow special shotgun
naive laurel
done and done
4 stones in 1 arrow, obliterates everything
rinse pick up and repeat
gray lintel
it does shotgun, hmm.
kinda wanna try a volley shotty
this is gonna be bad but yolo
artemis on first area with a chaos gate. this looks promising
naive tusk
You can still get a different God’s boon than the one your Keepsake “enforces” if you went through the other door that didn’t have the keepsake’s forced boon
earnest ravine
Artemis.
naive tusk
Artemis
naive tusk
It’s ok 👌🏼
naive laurel
I was gonna give a greek mythology lesson to him but ok 
naive tusk
You can still do it if you feel like it lol
naive laurel
That was a joke, remember what I asked about artemis in #h1-story-discussion ? I was def one of the last person to give that lesson lul
naive tusk
I see (I missed it)
naive laurel
seriously tho, so rn artemis aphrodite demeter and zeus can have bond forged, no other gods right
naive tusk
I think so. Demeter as well? 😮
naive laurel
Not sure, I prob should delete that entry just in case it's false
but it def did go into the territory of ||her being zag's Granma||
yep, spoiler alert if u donno who ||Persephone is in greek mythology||
naive tusk
Careful of spoilers
gray lintel
focusing on special for bow feels weird
kinda fun tho
just got +4 shots on volley \o/
naive tusk
You will want to talk about that over in #h1-story-discussion since that is not known until later in the game
naive laurel
yep I go spoiled that just in case
side note, in that spoilers episode I called artemis a tsundere who also cannot express well, because her attitute and her behaviour when the duo boon convo she had w/ zag on heart rend
that's the funny thing, cuz i had no idea how artemis is set to be bad at inter-god communication in the mythology
yeah I said inter-god
naive tusk
I’d say she’s more socially awkward rather than tsundere hehe
naive laurel
Yeah...but the trial convos, hmm, hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
naive tusk
Oh, everyone puts on their sunglasses when in a Trial XD
naive laurel
But agane, I'm socially awkward in another way, and I didn't know there's other types other than mine too lul
I'm the kind that, well, is very easy to befriend others but takes too much brain power for me that I tend not to do it face to face as it drains my batteries.
She's like....literally no idea how to deal w/ other peps i guess
or gods
naive tusk
That’s 1 reason she’s adorable in my book
naive laurel
Oh pal, if anyone says she's not, they are definitely gonna get f'd by a hoard of people, including me
Btw, is keepsake dmg boost additive or multiplicative?
naive laurel
No wonder they are not very good imo
spare zealot
I'm struggling to beat the final fight and just unlocked aspects, but I can't imagine adding heat when I can't even beat the game yet. Is there another way to get more titans blood? I think the shadow broker sells some but last I checked it costs ambrosia which is... also limited
naive laurel
I think if they make it multiplicative and nerf it a teeny bit, it'd be good for use
@spare zealot After some training it's not gonna be very hard to beat final fight on 0 heat, I presume u have upgraded the room awards from the contractor?
spare zealot
room awards, like the random health room additions and the keepsake swap between sections?
naive tusk
@spare zealot you can get more Titan Blood from Charon’s shop in Styx. He will sell either a Diamond for 1000 obols or a Titan Blood for 1500
naive laurel
And also, technically u can convert gems, keys and nectar's into titan blood by trading up the chain, but I don't recommend doing so too early
spare zealot
I have those
naive laurel
Oh i mean later room rewards that affect keys gems and such
spare zealot
ahh no I don't have those yet. Okay, it looks like theres still more tools the game will give me as I keep at it
spare zealot
I'll just keep going and not worry too much about aspects for now. I like the sword's second aspect enough so that works
naive tusk
I’m with Soledad. I don’t recommend exchanging your Diamonds or Ambrosia that early
naive laurel
Especially diamonds, I'd say, since u are at what u are at rn
not gonna spoil too much on this matter, just save the diamonds for the contractor
hybrid galleon
spoiler but you need at least 15 of them
spare zealot
I haven't really touched the shadow broker yet because I still have useful stuff to unlock from the contractor. So will do
naive laurel
If u want to spoil urself about future upgrades, go check wiki
hybrid galleon
Yep
spare zealot
👍
naive laurel
Also, I'd say 13 is enough, but yep 15 to be safe
On that note, we need a picture of ||fishing pole|| cuz it's not on the house contractor upgrade list
Also, what do u guys think about that feedback about gem I gave this nite?
I'm not sure if 3% is the right number
but something like 5% would potentially snowball things i guess
naive tusk
Well, if it’s 3%, that’d mean you will need to have at least 700 obols to get +20 obols (which is it’s current state)
Before that, it will detrimental and kind of lock you to keep at least that amount
naive laurel
1.05^10*1.15^3 is like, 2.5x what u have not including any obol gain from other stuff
I estimate possible gem pick to be 10 if we go for obol heavy
ofc that's for 5% number
But yeah I'd say u are right about 3% being insufficient
actually, the whole golden touch is, on hindsight, a bit of lackluster
20% is better
naive tusk
I wouldn’t oppose Golden Touch getting a buff. I already love it as it is
naive laurel
I like it when I was in low heat
but at 15+, oof
can't save much w/o a op early build
I myself want at least +45 each time it triggers, so it's 300+ saved per staircase
It's....pretty hard 2bh
naive tusk
I tend to buy only what’s necessary at the moment, such as healing or a boon that’s essential to my current build. I skip on hammers and Hermes because I can get them for free and they cost a lot
naive laurel
Oh I don't tend to buy them either, but usually getting to staircase #1 leaves me w/ somewhere between 150-250, depends on if I get a trove or Sisyphus
Including a bouldy use as well
torpid turret
https://youtu.be/_W5xaaLeok0 Submitted a bug report already but this was hilarious hahaha
naive tusk
Oh, and I take obol doors if the other only option is a pom door (but that’s just me and my greed)
In there we can appreciate Zag doing a rustic victory dance with a spear. He’s only missing a leafy skirt and some paint
naive laurel
Oh that's something else entirely since my obol door priority is low af unless I got a 40%+ gold boost against heart and pom, or 60%+ gold boost against boon
my priority is pretty much dependant on their price in shop lul
trial>Hammer>boon>heart>pom>obol, basically
gray lintel
okay so that didn't go how i expected
naive tusk
Yeah. Hearts have more worth unless you have an obol boost that gives you more obol than what they are worth at the shop
gray lintel
early on: neat, artemis! that means specal crits!
...no athena. Didn't get athena until the end where it decided every god available was athena and artemis.
i already moved on and did Demeter to try and get Chill plus the chill boosting stuff
didn't get any of the chill damage boons 
naive tusk
I also go for obol door if the other option is a God who doesn’t fit in my build at all
Like Poseidon and an obol door in an Aphrodite-Artemis-Athena build
gray lintel
granted like still did crazy damage with demeter special, +60% special damage boon, 20% crit from artemis/athena, and +4 special s hots :x
naive tusk
I’d take them obols
gray lintel
i usually gravitate towards obols if the other choice is a pom I don't really want or a permanent resource, especially if I'm low on obols for the before boss shop
naive laurel
I use fam fav So i prob still take Posideon
gray lintel
then he gives you nothing but knockback boons ruining your build on a melee weapon 
naive laurel
actually, he tend to give oceans bounty and sunken treasure when the basics are occupied
gray lintel
personally I think it's actually a pretty significant DPS drop, especially if you're using dashes
naive laurel
both are Ok choices
gray lintel
i would only take the flurry attack on bow if you rely on sources of damage that don't rely on your base weapon damage(such as I had a good zeus chain lightning build with flurry shot + double shot)
naive laurel
nonesense, flurry is pure base dps buff in the long run
gray lintel
It's a straight up damage nerf and the attack speed boost doesn't seem that high compared to dash resets.
naive laurel
It does 50 dmg faster than the powershot 60 which is also slower
naive tusk
I really can’t add to the discussion because I mainly play with Aspect of Chiron and I always get Flurry Shot just so I can mark them faster
naive laurel
dash powershot is only 40
naive laurel
who use dash flurry shot....
gray lintel
people who like to dash a lot
naive laurel
Even that, it's only the first shot
gray lintel
yes
and then you dash again
i mean okay this is playstyle specific. On the fist, sword, and gun I like to stay a bit to shoot people. Otherwise though, dash attack all the time every time except for certain things like bullrush(which is kind of just a fancy dash attack)
or if you have a special or cast focused build I guess
naive laurel
double/triple dash away, keep shooting, get chased back, rinse ans repeat. It's 100% dmg net gain, Even If u only shoot twice after each dash
bow also staggers enemies.
saying it's a dps net loss is like saying flurry strike is a dps net loss
gray lintel
spin attack isn't critical to DPS :p
dense locust
That run had flurry shot and sniper shot
sniper shot not recommended
But I think you end up being able to dish out more damage with flurry
because you can get in more hits while still staying safe
this is chiron though so not super relevant i suppose
turbid needle
Twin/Flurry is kinda scary on Zag Aspect.
turbid needle
It doesn't get quite as silly as a Hunter Dash-backed run, but it's way easier.
naive laurel
flurry chain might be Even more scary If u think about It
dense locust
I will say that dio special was extremely underwhelming
I regret taking sniper over chain
but I had never had flurry and sniper so i wanted to try it
naive laurel
it's not good against bosses I guess
turbid needle
You were using chiron?
dense locust
yeah
I actually transitioned into this build because I didn't like how slow the damage was
But I didn't have a whole lot upping poison damage so that makes sense
I guess
I just don't like chiron with dio special
naive laurel
I Sometimes use distant memory for dio special chiron
turbid needle
I'm not a fan of it either, honestly.
dense locust
The damage is pretty low and the stacks don't last all that long
naive laurel
keep distance and press q, or in my case, mouse 5
Yeah...I tend to use artemis
I usually just think It as 70 dmg dealt in 7 instances for sake of crits
dense locust
I'll usually go chiron with ares attack and demeter special, but aphro attack and artemis special is also very strong
naive laurel
I'd say we can try Posideon attack Someday
dense locust
Ares attack with demeter special is also slow playing damage, but its a lot quicker than dio special
It's probably fun with chain shot
naive laurel
demeter special with blast is bulls lvl burst dmg
dense locust
and some other poseidon buffs
The special is just for slow
and a minor amount of damage
naive laurel
Yeah...but blast is good in this case
dense locust
I'm split on it
naive laurel
2nd special does somewhere like 250 dmg
dense locust
because once you reset those chill stacks
you're way more vulnerable in that period
dense locust
I just mean that fighting the boss with less than 10 stacks
But like I said, I'm split on it
naive laurel
Oh Yeah that, but 2nd special leaves It with 4 stacks
dense locust
Which is significantly less slow than 10
naive laurel
3rd is most dangerous, Only 1 stack
dense locust
It's easier for my game because it's also predictable move/attack speed
vs their speed constantly varying
naive laurel
Imo better get both freeze-enhance boons in this case
decay or something, -20%on that one is Nice
dense locust
I just remember having a run where I actually ended up selling blast because I started doing worse with it
oh yeah I always grab that one
But i've also had runs where I'll just explode everythnig
naive laurel
Yeah then in that case they mostly are below 25%, not gonna be a big threat
I hate having to choose between blast and decay 2bh, cuz they work better together
gray lintel
special builds are kinda fun
dense locust
Decay feels like a boss only boon
gray lintel
athena revenge, zeus revenge, ares revenge, autorevenge 
don't have aphrodite revenge sadly
decay is massive damage and a minor slow(compared to stacked chill) on everyone if everyone is affected by chill
demeter boon
tired elk
is 2 bonus shieilds being thrown worth it? lol
dense locust
Chaos aspect is good at about lvl3
It's a pretty massive slow considering it just auto applies and stacks with the chill slow
Killing freeze is the name of the boon
gray lintel
heroic greater evasion 
+30% dodge chance is nice especially with ruthless evasion giving +50% lmao
tired elk
Do mobs drop gold really?
gray lintel
what's the call effect that gives dodge chance
i think that's hermes too
also 30% slower enemy projectiles plus fourth shield aspect aura is funny
...sorry fourth sword aspect
tired elk
I'm not too sure which god special is best for chaos shield
I was thinking Ares since doom lol
gray lintel
+45% dodge chance after using a call, +30% dodge chance all the time, +50% dodge chance after dashing immediately before an attack hits. noice
stable onyx
well i remember seeing 550
pretty sure i got a higher one tho
when all five special hits crit 😳
stable onyx
oh yeah 6
gray lintel
the special for the fists hit twice when you're not doing a dash attack
turbid needle
So 7 on a standing, but it's more powerful Dashing anyway and they had Explosive Upper which is just nuts.
gray lintel
oh yeah i guess yeah
i like advancing kick
because YEET
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/286070901802270720/698817222528991272/unknown.png that was a pretty fun fourth aspect sword build. so much dodge
also had weak for damage reduction and +22% faster special speed :x
rich cedar
My first win was with stugian blade with cursed slash upgrade
gray lintel
between the barrier, dodge, deflect, and damage reduction I didn't even really have to try and avoid anything final boss used
just keep spamming that special
rich cedar
What is considered the best bow aspect?
slate obsidian
bow aspects are all pretty good
I only have Hera unlocked, but i cleared with it, heard Chiron is quite good
https://imgur.com/a/WOXJ79q first clear with sword! Arthur is great. x3
turbid needle
All of them spike very high, but they need a lot of the right build.
It's not like Malphon or Aegis where you can put almost anything on them and you still can pull a win.
dense locust
It's funny, when I started out, I found the aspect of poseidon Sword the strongest for me and used it up until about 12 or 13 heat while everything else was at 3-4. Now I can barely bring myself to run it
I do still think 1 level in poseidon aspect is one of the best level 1 aspects
azure lake
@turbid needle Well after extensively playing with chiron's bow I think the dionysus aphrodite build is super stable and reliable, all of the others that I tried need a lot to work. By the way do you have an idea about the odds of spawning certain gods depending on the first one ?
turbid needle
Nope, sorry.
tired elk
12% increase attack increase the dash time with the shield?
and I only have 38 total escape attempts with 30 hours lol
clear dome
that may mean you are good because your runs take longer
dense locust
Hmm I'm not entirely positive but I think %attack speed increase only applies to attack itself and not dash attack. I think it works in reducing the wind up of attacks
maybe in speeding up attack projectiles as well but it's probably negligible if it does
tired elk
No
I'm afk allot of the time XD
and that would have to mean my runs are like 50 minutes which is horrible for a run I think? lol
dense locust
The time you take doesn't matter if you compete the heat
But that said, my longest, most drawn outs runs have been 48-49 minutes tops for 32 heats
quartz crow
i hope they add more weapons to keep up with bastion
rich cedar
Is the help medusa clean up the lounge quest bugged?
ive done the 2 clean ups
but its not showing as done
unkempt pagoda
you have buy more lounge stuff, including a rug i think
quartz crow
so that's why no one is talking much... just got some locks on npcs
rich cedar
Aphrodite is just so strong man
stiff flume
either the one that i keep forgetting the name of
4th
or hades
havent tried the one with the specialmove yet
gray lintel
i use zagreus because lazy and it does nothing special :v
gray lintel
spear is pretty good with the triple-hit dash strike hammer
bow is just weird :x
although with hera bow I've oneshot boss phases before
load up 5 artemis casts with dualcast and blap
young mural
i use gun because
gray lintel
it refreshes before invulnerability phase is over and BLAP again
young mural
explosions are nutty
gray lintel
i had one run where I had faster firing shots, +1 damage each uninterrupted shot, and 30 max ammo. that was fun
with artemis attack
young mural
I just get a special damage upgrade
and then any of the bomb changes (cept the slow) and just melt bosses
the 5 bomb one is strong because you can fire it at yourself for all 5 on one spot
gray lintel
i also had a crazy run where I had triple special, rocket launchers, posideon special with double knockback and rupture, along with posideon/zeus lightningbolt on knockback + double hit lightning.
also lightningbolts in festive fog
i felt like i was playing doom with the rockets and how quickly stuff disappeared
also spreadfire with extra dashes is funny, you just zoom around rapid fire shotgunning everyone
still like high dashes and spears tho, cause you just nyoom around with your dashes doing rapid fire dash attacks on people
rich cedar
My stongest weapon is the bow
I just think its really strong
I use the Zagreus aspect
but think the one with the homing special ones seem cool too
if you can combine it with like zeus or seomthing
ive had like 42 runs and still no hermes legendary boonm
rich cedar
I dont even know what you need to get it
ive had the well item that gives you better rarity
and eurydice
and still no luck
clear dome
get his cast boons
mossy breach
be sure to use Infernal soul (+2casts) and not stygian soul (your cast regen)
rich cedar
quick question, If my current best bow run is heat 2
and i complete on heat 8 next
can i still get bounties for heat 3-7?
afterwards
or do you have to go up
clear dome
go up
rich cedar
Okay so then I would forfeit my bounties?
mossy breach
no
rich cedar
seems a bit grindy
clear dome
you can?
brave dune
Any excessive heat just counts as the heat level you're at
meaning if you've done heat level 2, and the next heat run you do is at heat 20, the rewards are taken out of your heat level 3
You can keep doing heat 20 and get rewards until you actually hit your 20th run
rich cedar
Okay
im gonna try to get the skelly quest with bow then
Its what im best at
I cant even do heat 0 with the spear lol
clear dome
i bow to you for using the bow
clear dome
bow is my 3rd wep but i use chiron
clear dome
never tried timed