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#h1-builds-and-combat
twin mural
does giving nectar to bouldy do anything in the long run?
gray lintel
it means bouldy believes in you
twin mural
just that buff then?
cunning urchin
One, yes. The other not yet. Probably in a future update.
naive tusk
Congratulations! 🎉
tired elk
tyvm
cunning urchin
You need to turn up the heat to collect bounties from bosses you've already defeated with that weapon at lower heat. Otherwise they'll just drop a bunch of Darkness each.
tired elk
bounties are the like bloods and the crystals?
cunning urchin
Yeah.
naive laurel
https://imgur.com/3zC2Abj
I guess for once 
is fitting
naive tusk
You deserve a reward 
cunning urchin
Hermes and Chaos, who although offer Boons, will never offer Duo Boons.
I recommend changing that to:
Hermes and Chaos will never offer Duo Boons.
It's a case of the exception proving the rule.
Hermes and Chaos will never offer Duo Boons {but they will offer regular Boons}.
No parking 8–11 PM {but at other times parking is allowed.}
tired elk
Your too kind lol
cunning urchin
Your too kind lol
I recommend changing that to:
You['re] too kind lol
Ha, got you too.
naive laurel
Oh nonono
quartz crow
bug report crashed my game so here. really. no images? where do images go?
cunning urchin
On the Aphrodite page, I recommend adding that Aphrodite is the bestest Goddess, and we must all worship her.
tired elk
Finish 10 different heat runs or finish it on 10 heat?
cunning urchin
<-- no bias detected
quartz crow
idr where i saw it prob on a wiki but it's real neat your abilities upgrade rarities when they get swapped
naive laurel
finish ON 10 heat
tired elk
ok thanks c:
naive laurel
with each weapon if u can
quartz crow
fated persausion affects selling yay. just need to check hammers and poms
twin mural
can you have more than one duo boon at a time?
cunning urchin
@twin mural yes.
twin mural
sweet
quartz crow
no
cause i wanted to suggest it should affect selling since room rolls have different kinds of rolls
thought people were saying it only affects wells and boons -_-
quartz crow
it does
tired elk
how ;__;
quartz crow
wait for duo? according to wiki you don't get em within those 2
you prob could get another duo but it doesn't guarentee a duo if possible i think
naive laurel
With the Urns of Lesser Value upgrade (or better) from the House Contractor, urns containing small amounts of Obols can be randomly found in rooms.
With the Brilliant Gemstones upgrade from the House Contractor, Gemstones will also drop 20 Obols when collected from a room reward.
The amount of Obols received from any of these sources can be increased by boons such as Ocean's Bounty from Poseidon, and Affluence from Chaos. (Alternatively, Chaos' "Pauper's" curse can prevent Obols from being awarded to Zagreus.)
I think urn-dropped obols doesn't get affected by ocean's bounty right?
tired elk
I'll get better or worse rewards depending on which one I choose first?
quartz crow
that's the currency name?
naive laurel
yeah
naive laurel
trial mostly depends on god difficulty
quartz crow
just choose whatever you want for that fight unless you absolutely hate the trial attacks.
naive laurel
tell me the 2 god names and i"ll for sure choose the worse one to fight for u
quartz crow
athena is a pain. aphordite is a mini medusa that's persistant
tired elk
Nourished soul increase the +25 max life you get?
naive laurel
Not that
tired elk
just the healing?
naive laurel
just the normal heals from different sources
tired elk
rip
quartz crow
just got it and it increases room healing from that little healing one
naive laurel
max health has something else to boost it
quartz crow
by 1
quartz crow
mirror thing
naive laurel
havn't used it in ages
quartz crow
i like darkness heal still
naive laurel
darkness heal is op
quartz crow
am liking DD though
naive laurel
and it makes that darkness gain bonus from chaoes way more worth
quartz crow
beat hydra semi casual with it and didn't lose anything
oh yah i want to test the rerolls on chaos
naive laurel
u better SAVE rerolls for chaoes
it's important af
If i have 0 reroll I actually tend to skip chaoes gate now if I'm serious about the run
quartz crow
gems, keys, darkness, and necter. all things I'd like and bosses guarentee darkness so i think fated persuasion would be great for chaos
quartz crow
i just want to talk to nyx again
naive laurel
and there are calls to be used only max
quartz crow
she isn't giving a quest
tired elk
XD
quartz crow
you ever tried suiciding to reset the shop?
15keys for titan blood is how i get them
easiest boss is tisophonee
naive laurel
There are very few shop deals are worth in matter of trade-ups
quartz crow
really hate no pictures are allowed
naive laurel
So, any definitive answers of if obols from vases gets affected by ocean's bounty?
if not imma go sleep now lul
naive laurel
One of the major reasons why I ditched this talent
f10 game crash on the other hand....prob setup not stronk enough
naive laurel
pops up a window to do bug report
naive laurel
but, it's outside of game window, so....prob takes a huge toll momentarily on the pc
quartz crow
it kicked me out of my run
does that mean it unpaused while it was frozen and i died? nah id be coming out of tomato juice
cunning urchin
So, any definitive answers of if obols from vases gets affected by ocean's bounty?
Genuinely no idea. He usually offers that right before Hades if at all.
quartz crow
tried out priv status no wonder everyone likes it. cold plus zeus is great
how many encounters does it take to get to a furi?
just a guess but i think best keepsake for tarterus is thanatos's one
naive laurel
@cunning urchin gonna test it tomorrow then, gonna try some poseidon cast runs anyways.
cunning urchin
I actually changed it to Family Favorite immediately when I saw what it does and never looked back.
naive tusk
Too?! You play as well?! ❤️
quartz crow
9x6 is... 54 constant. welp
is that why?
imo 20% epic is better than 15% legendary
cause one rarity upgrade makes it legendary...
dense locust
I thought brining up the bug report kicked me/froze my run before but usually it's not the case, you just have to cancel the bug report
cunning urchin
@quartz crow I think the norm is equipping whichever God's Keepsake is most crucial for the build you want before Tartarus.
quartz crow
yah it didn't show up just tried it again
has anyone tried stacking the revenge boons on guan yu?
cunning urchin
As in, Olympic Gods.
quartz crow
or the sword upgrade that reduces hp and adds healing on authur
cunning urchin
Because that ensures the first Boon that shows up is theirs, and that they actually do show up. If you want to do a Crit build and Artemis never shows up . . .
naive tusk
1500*
quartz crow
figured out how to cheese hydra's default projectile attack with a sword and no dashes default move speed
yah he keeps circling
still havn't figured out how to deal with thesus in melee yet
i usally just kill myself early to not rage
elysium is full of tanky brats
cunning urchin
You can just stand behind a pillar, let him throw and recover his spear, and slash away as he turns around and walks back a bit.
cunning urchin
Yeah, that's what I do.
quartz crow
is there a limit to what he summons?
naive laurel
thesus god summons are annoying with asterius alive, and asterius himself is easier to kill
turbid needle
We talking about the Heroes or the final boss?
quartz crow
also doesn't zeus helping out theses beat zag kind of defeat the purpose of boons?
double crossers
turbid needle
You want that.
quartz crow
15% is kind of low
turbid needle
Either run maximum rarity bonuses or Epic bonuses and more Legendaries/Duos.
cunning urchin
I usually have a Greater Call for Theseus's second phase too. Cuts that part short.
quartz crow
what's a good call?
turbid needle
Anything except Poseidon and Ares, but Ares is amazing if you have Vicious Cycle.
proven tartan
You can cast companion ability (if you have this) on Theseus`s second phase.
Barely kills him
he have ~2500 hp on the second phase, as i think
delicate nimbus
How does the leveling compare to the rarity?
Would a lvl 5 rare be equivalent to a lvl 1 epic?
quartz crow
um.. epic darkness chaos boon is 200%.
does that mean legendary is 300%?
all rolled epic :)
throwaway cause was talking while explaining things to soneone then head in with whatever was equppied without thinking
hades spear, athena keep and no dark thirst :/
shadow oriole
turbid needle
Legendary and Duo boons are unique.
They are not on the rarity scale, and cannot be boosted or leveled in any way.
Regular boons run Common, Rare, Epic, or Heroic.
Heroic boons cannot be acquired normally, you either need to trade an Epic boon (exchanging boons increases rarity one level) or level up your boons through Eurydice or Demeter.
gray lintel
i think thesus does a random god if you somehow have a boon from every single god that run
cunning urchin
I'm very sure the number of different Gods per run is limited.
quartz crow
you can guarantee at least 4 though
be cool if we could have a hammer keepsake
but they tend to show up so guess not
cunning urchin
I think 5 + Hermes + Chaos? Maybe 4.
gray lintel
2 hammers are assured to show up
although if you miss one a replacement is not assured
lament coral
@cunning urchin you can get all of em by using their keepsakes
and forcing the gods you've missed
dense locust
Hey now, poseidon call is very strong for me
And if they ever fix the bug with it that doesn't let you steer when you use it while moving, its gonna be contender for best call for me in some runs
gray lintel
+3 cast on hera bow with regenerating casts
i am now death
question: are you supposed to be able to oneshot Thesus with a single attack :x
with bow
lament coral
you're not one shotting him with the bow, you're doing so with 4 leveled up casts
gray lintel
i mean okay yeah but
lament coral
and it'd take at least 2 shots because of the god phase
gray lintel
took 5 leveled up heroic lvl4 artemis casts a phase for the last boss :v found a charon well with +1 casts and +30% cast damage before the end
dense locust
That sounds like a good time
Does sniper shot and flurry shot work well together?
So when fighting theseus at maxed extra measures and tight deadline, I ran out of time but the fight went on for like 20 seconds until I killed him and then I just went on
sullen valley
wdym you ran out of time?
dense locust
Tight deadline gives you a time limit in which to complete each level
cunning urchin
I uppercut a gold Urn into the wall the other day lol. Did get the breaking SFX, did not get the Gold.
Uppercut must have been too strong it broke the game. https://imgur.com/uGBvXvt
What's a good Aspect for revenge builds? I want to give that a try. Also what keepsake?
sullen valley
Is that Zagreus or Demeter?
cunning urchin
Zagreus.
sullen valley
oh, aw
dense locust
Chiron aspect, Flurry Shot and Sniper Shot hammers, +53% to attack damage boons x 3 from Chaos. Pretty underwhelming, but it was fun when my attacks were critting for 1.2k. Sniper shot not too good with Flurry Shot: https://imgur.com/erNjcr5
🔪
dense locust
Yeah but for the lols, demeter aspect would have really been swell
oof
That's happened to me like 3 times max
stiff flume
this was my third time as well
opal bay
unlucky
stiff flume
never had it be in the first tunnel tho
tired elk
I never use cast anymore ;__;
stiff flume
thats probably the most likely, coded
dense locust
in my experience
stiff flume
anyway, run went fine 😌 demeter fists crits
stiff flume
i like favor more than legacy
duos/legendaries are still gonna be pretty rare anyway, and need prerequisites
but the difference between common and rare boons is big
dense locust
Yeah I've had smoother runs with olympian favor
And there are ways to upgrade the next boon you find
dense locust
Try nemesis aspect with athena attack
go for aphrodite and artemis on special, dash, or cast
stiff flume
i used to dislike the sword, now i like it
arthur and the crit one
both feel pretty nice
it also has nice quality of life hammers
either rapid attack or chop
feels good
stiff flume
swords has more rnage than fists by default 
lament coral
yet it is still worse
toss that 25 ranged projectile attack in the trash, gimme 25% longer sword
stiff flume
arthur has more range
lament coral
and terrible speed
stiff flume
gray lintel
i just did a revenge build with Shield. thing is that revenge build doesn't really carry by itself 
I used Ares Doom to carry through most fo the game, then got the duo with Athena to just instantly proc doom with deflecting attack.
dense locust
25 damage ranged projectile is probably the worst hammer outside of cursed sword. Double edge with nemesis is fantastic
gray lintel
I'd probably do something with good procs for both attacks and specials, honestly. Bow has that imo, so does aspect of chaos shield, fist, most swords, basically everything but sword and gun imo
er spear and gun. The spear's special is kind of slow even with zagreus aspect and gun's special is also quite slow without a hammer
also honestly i figured the ranged projectile sword upgrade was decent because it means you hit twice as much :x
tired elk
Oh cast is good for boiling blood
I see
Why does the attack button skip the hell setup lol
gray lintel
yeah boiling blood is good before you get damage upgrades
additive damage means it falls off with some boons tho
tired elk
Didn’t know
So that’s with all kinds of goons
Are boons additive to each other?
Or multiplicative
gray lintel
depends but 99% of the time additive I think
dense locust
All percent damage is an increase to the base damage of whatever it's modifying
additively
Critical rend is the one boon that causes confusion because I think the tool tip is wrong on it. It says it adds 50% to critical damage if foes are weak, but in the game it adds 150% (unless they changed it)
Which is why the high damage build with aphrodite and artemis is so favored
tired elk
That isn’t how it would work lol
dense locust
I think its actually additive, but its a coincidence that the number ends up being the same
dense locust
At least thats how it was explained to me by someone noodling around the code
gray lintel
yes kilani and that's +150% :p
gray lintel
...yes.
dense locust
NullDragon said +150%
tired elk
Don’t mind me
gray lintel
:x
tired elk
I thought you mean't
dense locust
But I think the way its coded is that it adds 150%
tired elk
going from 300% to 150% and that is why it isn't multiplicative
I thought you mean't like 50% of 300% would be 150% so that is why it isn't multiplicative because that would be stupid
i'm an idiot
don't mind me
I always just assume people are idiots unless they prove to me otherwise ;__;
I'm a bad person XD
gray lintel
aphrodite damage is so crazy :x
also dang +1 damage per uninterrupted attack on gun is crazy with 24 shots
tired elk
Well how often can you stand still
sullen valley
So I just beat the barge of death
tired elk
And let’s say you do get 10 shots off
sullen valley
Do I want more Pom Up or more Damage Upon Enemies?
gray lintel
yeah it's base damage is like 10 :p
sullen valley
Halep
gray lintel
also you can dodge while keeping the bonus as long as you keep hitting
sullen valley
Ah heck it then
gray lintel
also
it's base damage
so that's actually more like +400 damage with an artemis combo going :p
lament coral
that looks highly illegal
opal bay
fallow niche
oh wait
Well
Behind the next person
Vorime has the next best time at 4:06 but yeah
Now its sub-4
dense locust
congrats!
fallow niche
Its Vorime's run :V
gray lintel
sub four minute is crazy fast D:
dense locust
oh :9
fallow niche
Fastest so far for me is 4:32
dense locust
still I know you're climbing
fallow niche
We all are, but this guy is a beast
dense locust
Wow what made that run so fast
fallow niche
Execution
opal bay
so fastest run is 3:59:67?
opal bay
holy heck. to imagine people have found the path way to such length
though I always wonder
opal bay
how it is compared to real time
dense locust
I feel like good luck can be the biggest factor
fallow niche
56 second styx + final boss time
dense locust
when everyone you're competing against is also very efficient
fallow niche
@opal bay 11 minutes roughly
opal bay
honestly it's crazy how much the difference the timer makes at times
fallow niche
@dense locust Luck is a very minor factor between runners
dense locust
I guess it is the same seed
fallow niche
Vorime has put in far more work than the rest of us have for execution
Yes
Its the same seed, same chambers up until T&M
dense locust
Does anything change at all?
fallow niche
Yeah Styx is totally random
fallow niche
You cannot get the sack in the first chamber period
You can only get it in the second chamber at the earliest
End of the tunnels, I should say
dense locust
Wait
to clarify, I mean chamber as in each section that gives you an item at the end
which was misleading now that I think about it
dense locust
So 2nd is the best you can hope for. Can the room that the sack appears within the tunnel change?
fallow niche
What do you mean?
dense locust
Like the amount of rooms with enemies you fight before the sack and fountain appear
fallow niche
Err, sort of, let me explain
The sack only shows up after a minimum amount of tiny chambers in Styx
And the amount of tiny chambers you see before the last big one, whether miniboss or normal, varies a tiny bit
dense locust
ah
fallow niche
So its possible to end up not seeing enough tiny chambers before the end of the second tunnel sometimes
Making a 2 sack impossible for that run
dense locust
what is the number
fallow niche
Don't remember
dense locust
of minimum rooms
fallow niche
If you do meet the minimum number of chambers, at the end of each tunnel system the game will roll to determine if you get the sack or not
So its not predetermined before you start going into the tunnels
weak rivet
OH
fallow niche
The game has a fairly complex RNG system
weak rivet
I just thought i had sack telepathy
fallow niche
dense locust
I find the sack nearly every time in the 3 tunnel in the 4th room
that must be the middle of the curve
er
weak rivet
Yesterday i was at 2 hp PRAYING for a sACC aND IT WAS TH E RE
dense locust
curve doesnt make sense
weak rivet
Still got pummeled by hades boy cause i was very tired but
fallow niche
Its totally random as far as I can tell, but 4th chamber seems early
Seems you might have hit the earliest possible after seeing the minimum number
dense locust
It's like 40-50% of the time its room 4 or 5 of the third tunnel, although i'm sure its less and i'm just misremembering
i just got to styx on my current run so ill count rooms
turbid needle
I thought branches only ran four Chambers.
weak rivet
Can i just say i love how the styx theme works
Just a few instruments in the tiny rooms and then the song unfolds in the final room just like the carnage does
Def one of my favourite themes in the game
dense locust
First tunnel had item on 4th room
turbid needle
I get 2nd branch sacks more often than not.
gray lintel
flurry fire + concentrated fire is fun. 30 shots with zagreus adamant rail, +1 damage for each uninterrupted hit, technically 25 average damage if you keep up the barrage while dodging.
clear dome
2nd branch sacks is not good, other than in speedruns tbh
gray lintel
with an artemis build :x
weak rivet
Im also usually second
dense locust
It depends, sometimes your build is better at handling hades than the styx monsters
turbid needle
It's fine if my build is already strong enough to beat Hades.
Which it usually is.
dense locust
Yeah
clear dome
i usually gets third myself
dense locust
I get nervous about styx when I come in with a good amount of health and all my dds because some rooms and wreck me
gray lintel
i think I had a fourth once :c
weak rivet
I do wish i got it at third cause i arrive at the full heal when i dont need it like awwwwww maaan
@gray lintel same
turbid needle
I've had 5th branch sacks.
clear dome
i got a last room one
weak rivet
Or even frickin fifth
gray lintel
also yeah for me the dang laser crystals
i go in there and it's like "oh there's like 6 of these"
and then dead
dense locust
Or if you screw up against the mini boss urn that fires bombs
turbid needle
Dire Bother. 
weak rivet
3 satyrs spawn
[MISSION: LOCATE THE CURE FOUNTAIN ENGAGE]
clear dome
such a bothersome name'
weak rivet
I swear someone said that the styx minibosses are easier than the normal final rooms and like
They were into something
'cept tiny vermin
[Car honk] that thing
turbid needle
Only final room that scares me is the giant room with the million axe drops.
dense locust
I don't like any of them. Getting poisoned, accidentally getting too close to the giant rats and getting swiped, accidentally getting hit by a trap
turbid needle
Because I always have 19 Giant Vermin off-screen and they constantly drop the axes.
tired elk
so after we beat the second zones boss we won't be getting anymore gold from the investing mirror talent thingy?
the one that gives like 40% of your current gold after you beat a boss?
turbid needle
Minibosses are universally harder besides that one room, and then Tiny Vermin is the most terrifying of all.
dense locust
The rooms are so hectic that some of them can be devastating
lament coral
@tired elk it's only 15%
weak rivet
Zag has to be mad strong not to get decapitated by the axe ahdjf
lament coral
you don't get anything after the 3rd boss
gray lintel
this is why I try to have builds of "instantly pop each phase of the boss" amounts of damage
tired elk
oh third
gray lintel
things can't hurt you when they're dead
lament coral
you get gold after furies, after hydra, and after Theseus
dense locust
There are some builds where having the heat that gives enemies the blue heart shields is really a pain
lament coral
naturally, you cannot get gold after Hades
weak rivet
@dense locust theres 3 giant vermin somewhere, satyrs, you just got posioned and the fountain is between two traps, theres bothers attacking you and yOU HEAR THE SNAKESTONES SPAWN
lament coral
because, you know, it's the last boss
so basically, you get paid 3 times
15% of your current gold
weak rivet
Styx really likes smashing my panic button
dense locust
I'm talking about 32 heat runs. Styx mini boss rooms can sometimes hurt me more than hades does
lament coral
really?
dense locust
because hades is more predictable
weak rivet
Listen man im not a good playa
lament coral
it's the opposite for me, I'll take mini bosses first, always
it's the normal rooms that could kill you
weak rivet
I dont out of the fear its tiny vermin
tired elk
So the final things you can buy from the gods cost like 450-600
lament coral
Vermin is only bad if you're playing melee
weak rivet
Boosted rarity chances
dense locust
It's your 4th possible hermes boon
weak rivet
@lament coral i sucq tho
lament coral
they're guaranteed to offer higher rarity boons
weak rivet
Soemtimes
lament coral
3rd Hermes
lament coral
you can only get 2 outside of Styx
weak rivet
Do they have double the flavor
dense locust
Yeah they are twice as juicy
weak rivet
lament coral
it's just 2 poms 
lament coral
it's a pom inside a pom thing
weak rivet
Me, entering elysium with only 2 useful boons: no pomegranates! NO NO NO NO NO POMEGRANATES! I DON'T WANT THEM ANYWHERE NEAR ME
lament coral
see, that's why you can't: you bite it and you end up chewing through both at the same time
ergo, only 1 boon to upgrade, but twice!
clear dome
why isnt there more ambiguity bonuses?
weak rivet
pomception
dense locust
a pom within a pom is science fiction
weak rivet
bwaa
lament coral
because ambiguity doesn't do anything
dense locust
were talking reality here
weak rivet
Whats ambiguity
dense locust
the bonus from bouldy
clear dome
bouldy boon
dense locust
a bonus at least
clear dome
it existeth
dense locust
its more of a buff
clear dome
give bouldy a nectar
weak rivet
Oh i was wondering if giving bouldy nectar did anything
dense locust
its usually a pretty small buff but it can be significant
weak rivet
What does it do?
clear dome
ambiguity tho, does nothing
weak rivet
Also i cant help but imagine zag pour nectar on a rock
dense locust
as far as we know, has anyone looked at the code?
he pours it in the little stone mouth
cunning urchin
It's not a double pom, it's the square of a pom. Regular poms are all square roots of 2.
weak rivet
We dont know what it does?
gray lintel
"-55% movement speed for 3 rooms" why do you do this to me chaos
i want the +98% dash strike damage but
lament coral
@weak rivet it does nothing
weak rivet
@gray lintel entertain them
turbid needle
To the best of my knowledge Bouldy's Ambiguity Bonus doesn't do anything.
weak rivet
Oh
clear dome
tthere are other kinds of bonus
dense locust
I was just wondering if anyone had looked at the code to confirm it does nothing
But yeah, it can give you bonus %damage to cast, attack or special, movement speed, damage reduction
weak rivet
It makes Zag feel at peace because he got to vent to bouldy. 😔
lament coral
"BouldyBlessing_None",
sullen valley
I once got two Curses of Chaos that gave me -~50% movespeed.
dense locust
But the biggest bonus of all is knowing how much bouldy appreciated it
sullen valley
Do % stuffs multiply by each other?
dense locust
no
turbid needle
Only Crits.
weak rivet
I wish Chaos had lines for when you already have a curse on you and you take another one
And another one
And another one
dense locust
oh it can also give you extra% gold
sullen valley
He'd have plenty of lines if you have 2 Curses.
But imagine if he had just a single line that played when you have
drum roll
3 curses.
gray lintel
imagine if you weren't paying attention
and you had damage on attack, special, and cast
"well I guess I'm trying to kill enemies with dashes now"
weak rivet
Also the times i ended up dropping to chaos because they spoke to me when I was passing their portal
lament coral
just dash, lol
dense locust
I was running a silly build with two points in Limited Choice heat and got a chaos boon that hurt me to attack and another that hurt me to use special, so all I had was my single unupgraded stygian soul cast
weak rivet
Who am i to ignore them, a monster?
sullen valley
Oof, yeah, I feel inclined to go to Chaos because they directly acknowledge me
dense locust
It was like 40 heat or something dumb
sullen valley
Strong what the hell
clear dome
iesous
dense locust
if I had survived I would have had like +220% to special
like I said, it was a silly run
clear dome
Ra helps you
weak rivet
Me: okay, i cant afford to lose hp. And i want this hammer.
Chaos: Son of Hades...
Me: I'LL BE RIGHT THERE MOMDAD
clear dome
momdad?
sullen valley
theyparent
clear dome
just type parent
dense locust
theyparent is the pc term
weak rivet
parent isnt that personal ;~; but aight theyparent it is
tired elk
First time I tried 1 heat I died
It is only cause I tried saving up all of my gold until after I beat the third boss
;__;
tired elk
lol
weak rivet
I mean patpat its chill m dude
gray lintel
spear triple dash attack is... something
weak rivet
Im at 80 something and im only at 3 heat
I kinda jump between weapons, do heatless runs stuff like that
gray lintel
and nice. artemis attack ,triple dash, heart rend. lets get athena duo and extra dashes and it's a wrap
weak rivet
Its okay dude i cant play Varatha
dense locust
Here was a fun little run. Nemesis aspect, Double Edge and Breaching Slash hammers, 3 duos total: https://imgur.com/UmmsPIB
clear dome
arther bad
gray lintel
+3 dashes ayyyyy lets go
turbid needle
No it's not.
clear dome
arther decent
weak rivet
Arthur is great what are you talking about
clear dome
zagre better
turbid needle
No it's not.
gray lintel
arthur third hit is like literally the highest damage in the game :x
dense locust
Zag's better if you're running a race
clear dome
arther is good, but bad
gray lintel
also the special is like dayum
weak rivet
Zagreus is speedy boy. Arthur is CHONKY BOY
dense locust
Its 250 base damage or something?
clear dome
admittedly arther cleaves more than call of aphrodite
weak rivet
Arthur third attack may as well play thomas the tank engine theme
stiff flume
i think its 400 base
turbid needle
stiff flume
no wait
clear dome
200 base
stiff flume
thats from behind
gray lintel
the special also makes a giant AOE of "projectiles are matrix mode here"
"also enemies"
"no one gets to move"
clear dome
but then yu realize that forced overtime is on
turbid needle
Yeah, that's what Hallowed Ground is for.
stiff flume
ye im not running forced overtime with arthur screw that 😂
weak rivet
I love how Zag aspects just play off of Zag being a nyoom child that never sits down and boost speed
dense locust
So were all in agreement that Shattered Shackle is the best keepsake?
gray lintel
ayyyy got deflect crit chance. delicious damage
dense locust
Oh man epic artemis special room 1 with guan yu is a treat
turbid needle
Varatha (Flurry Jab), Aspect of Chaos, Chiron, Malphon, and Exagryph.
That's a funny way of spelling "Poseidon".
clear dome
posi is cool
at least if you get tier 2 boons
but dio, his attack, special and cast boons are all bad
turbid needle
All incorrect.
gray lintel
i got posideon with advancing kick once and +30% faster specials
with lightning bolts on knockbacks
it was fun but I literally had no clue where I was
rare mantle
dio= the wine god?
turbid needle
Yes.
rare mantle
IMO he's the most (or second) powerful XD
turbid needle
I'd give him 3, behind Artemis and either Athena or Aphrodite.
gray lintel
he fits bascially every build
turbid needle
His Call does, for sure.
gray lintel
like IMO if you're not a cast build festive fog is one of the best casts in the game
his call is yeah basically just More Damage
dense locust
Wow I love runs like this where you get literally everything you want. Doing 750 crits already with guan yu special going into the furies
gray lintel
i actually legitimately like his dash if you don't need another dash for combo
turbid needle
But both his Strike and Flourish boons need rapid hits to be fully effective.
clear dome
hekk, i hate dio boons, i jjust dk why
tired elk
So if I take off the coin purse does it get rid of my 100 gold? lol
gray lintel
also his boon that gives greatly increased health recovery is really great early on?
turbid needle
Trippy Shot is arguably the best Cast in the game, in part because it has two very powerful Duo boons.
That's Demeter.
gray lintel
and nope, 100 gold is forever
oh yeah, dionysus has the +30 max health each nectar with a free nectar there
turbid needle
Dionysus gives you additional DR when below 20% and another boon that will restore you to a certain HP count if you fall below it at the end of an Encounter.
tired elk
Strongest Attack god?
turbid needle
Also that.
clear dome
strongest attack god be aphrodite
tired elk
Most damage % on Attack god?*
rare mantle
try charon's keepsake sometimes +10% hp for 7 chamber will save you lol
turbid needle
She has the highest modifier, yes.
rare mantle
i have no idea why so many ppl love aphrodite, never get used to it :/
tired elk
ok thanks ❤️
turbid needle
Can we not throw slurs around? Please?
dense locust
Aphro is great because it offers the highest straight damage increase if its on attack or special, has great duos, and also gives damage reduction
And her legendary is powerful as well
clear dome
i was about to delet it smh
azure lake
And you can also gain % increased damage from her from her tier 2, I kinda think she's the best because she goes so well with every build
turbid needle
Weak is the best Status Curse.
azure lake
yeah weak is stupidly strong
clear dome
weak is stupidly weak
gray lintel
weak used to be 50% lol
dense locust
With the boons that give increased damage reduction and increased weak time, it's insanely good
azure lake
and all of her boons except for maybe weak duration are really really good
dense locust
I like weak duration
gray lintel
then they nerfed it to 30%
tired elk
Was the slur deleted? @turbid needle
gray lintel
and nerfed teh duration without the boon
turbid needle
The duration has never been nerfed.
dense locust
if I have it on cast or something I'm not using for damage
turbid needle
It's always been 3 seconds.
clear dome
weak gives no dps
turbid needle
It gives survivability and her boons themselves have massive DPS.
lament coral
Aphrodite has the highest % damage
gray lintel
weak is like the best DPS in the game(with boons)
tired elk
Why use weak? just don't get hit
azure lake
you have a boon that increase your DPS by 20% against weak targets, + she has the highest % base increase in the game
lament coral
it also has a boon that increases damage against weakened enemies
gray lintel
use weak for literally +150% critical hit damage
clear dome
just take chill, its better
turbid needle
Incorrect.
azure lake
yeah this one is insane, with one or two poms it's like 30% dmg
gray lintel
(also yeah the weak damage boost is nice)
turbid needle
Chill doesn't slow enemies enough without multiple stacks and she gives less damage than Aphrodite.
dense locust
I understand people have better experiences with some god's boons over others
clear dome
i tried aphrodite tho and the legendary is broken
dense locust
But keep playing and trying things out and I think you'll come to the same conclusion that aphro is amazing
clear dome
with a gun
turbid needle
Unhealthy Fixation requires very high APM in order to be "broken."
gray lintel
also yeah charm is crazy, it basically removes damage from an enemy
dense locust
Even her call aint too bad
gray lintel
also any status effect is damage because of priviledged status
turbid needle
Her Call is pretty bad unless you have full gauge, then it's one of the better boss killers.
dense locust
I use it a lot for interruption against hades
mid spin attack, if I don't feel comfortable dodging it
or I know I cant
clear dome
what does exit wound do on stygian soul?
turbid needle
Damage.
You just don't need to pick up the Bloodstone.
The "dislodge" still happens.
dense locust
How long is it for a cast to dislodge
turbid needle
15 seconds.
dense locust
yeah that's why I don't use it really at all unless I have the sword aspect
turbid needle
It's not atrocious with Hera or Quick Reload.
Aspect of Poseidon on release got it nerfed into the ground.
gray lintel
it's also good on final boss due to long fight I think
dense locust
It's good damage on bosses, but very few things survive 15 seconds outside of bosses or mini bosses
turbid needle
Speedy chunky Pests say what?
Ran into teleporting Brightswords yesterday, that was lots of fun.
weak rivet
Oof
turbid needle
It with Zag Bow, too.
azure lake
also guys which weapon would you recommend for hunting blades build ? Achilles' spear ?
turbid needle
Stygian or Infernal Soul?
azure lake
I prefer infernal but stygian might be better i guess
turbid needle
I don't like Cast builds on Achilles with Infernal Soul, but it can be made to work.
I'd use either Poseidon or Eris.
azure lake
I guess it makes sense, special, dash cast then 3s later you have your cast again for next enemy you can dash kill every mob with it
but won't it be kinda weak against bosses ? Or you pray for chaos to give you +1 cast ?
gray lintel
why are spears always my fastest weapon clear
turbid needle
Even a single Hunting Blade is terrifying, and with the extra 150% damage it will destroy everything.
Because you are a unique breed.
turbid needle
And as for Stygian Soul Blade Rifts, they last anywhere from 3.3 to nearly 4 seconds (with Engulfing Vortex), so you can stack them up, even moreso if you get Auto Reload.
gray lintel
i had one crazy thing where I had so many casts I had like half a dozen of them with Hunting Blades
final boss just got chewed to shreds by it with barely anything I had to do
i think i was playing 'fists' that game but they seriously didn't matter because the hunting blades sought blood
azure lake
I guess i'll try achilles' hunting blades then with stygian :), did you ever tried hades' spear with hunting blades btw ?
turbid needle
I haven't had Fully Loaded with Stygian Soul Hunting Blades yet ('cause that would require a bevy of early Artemis but no Slicing Shot), but I have had three due to Prometheus Stones and nothing survives it.
gray lintel
I didn't have fully loaded that game sadly.
turbid needle
Aspect of Hades doesn't affect your Cast, so I've never gone for it.
gray lintel
i did have lucky chaos boons
turbid needle
If I'm running Hades, I want Serrated Edge.
azure lake
oh really I thought Hades' spear marked targets with your spin attack and then you delt +150% to them
turbid needle
+150% Attack (not spin) and Special damage.
azure lake
oh ok, well no cast build with that then, i'll try hunting blades achiles' then 🙂
thanks a lot man
gray lintel
bow explosive shot is an interesting playstyle
turbid needle
I really like it. Big damage on Zag Aspect, wide AoE for Chiron to help with misses.
gray lintel
now a hybrid demeter beam cast buiild with explosive shot and artemis q..?
cause heroic cast :x
tired elk
Is 1 titans blood really worth 1500 gold?
stiff flume
|| the answer is no anyway ||
tired elk
stiff flume
tired elk
really why?
I will almost kill the final boss without spending gold on anything
I probably will XD
dense locust
This was a fun one. Guan yu aspect with Charged skewer and Breaching skewer hammers. https://imgur.com/6L8onjk
tired elk
oh really?
stiff flume
blood wont be super rare
tired elk
no one spends it on these ;__;
stiff flume
youll do better just making your runs faster
lament coral
you definitely buy out the Styx shop at lower heat
gray lintel
the beam duo is so good
tired elk
I should buy out the bloods? @lament coral
lament coral
you don't have to, but it's helps get those aspect levels early
lament coral
Guan Yo
dense locust
Early on, if you either have the gold and think you can beat hades without spending it on stuff to make you stronger, OR if you have the gold and think you have no chance against hades, then its worth buying
tired elk
Cause I totally could've just gotten a blood ;__;
dense locust
But if you think you have a chance at beating him (and are on a heat that you haven't beaten yet) if you spend it on things to make you stronger, then that's what I would do
tired elk
but I spent it on all of the upgrades instead of the blood since I thought it was gonna be really easy to get ;__;
I usually have the last keepsake as the lucky tooth
what do you guys usually do?
dense locust
Blood is valuable when you have weapon aspects at low levels. I'd also not recommend spending blood on guan yu until you have a fair amount that you can level it a few times because its pretty bad at low levels
I almost exclusive take broken spear point, mostly for styx, but its good for hades as well
tired elk
I'm really liking the gun and bow
But I'm gonna start using all the melee ones cause bow and gun are all ranged so I gotta start learning how to beat these bosses with melees XD
dense locust
But lucky tooth is good, I've just never used it much and really should try it more
tired elk
haven't beaten the snake boss with a melee yet lol
dense locust
I use spear as a range
tired elk
the dash attack?
dense locust
No the special
tired elk
oh yea lol
dense locust
If you get the explosive hammer
tired elk
do you mainly use the special on the spear?
dense locust
its pretty good
I use everything at this point
my favorite is rail
When I started out though, I used the sword a ton, mostly the aspect that gives you cast damage and dislodges casts when you special
gray lintel
fun fact: demeter beam on the final boss ||tracks him when he's invisible||
tranquil gorge
Isn't he also intangible?
sullen valley
Invincible yeah
turbid needle
Still very useful for pinpointing his location, it can help you dodge his Bloodstones or a spin.
sullen valley
Dodging? Heh,
we don't need no dodging when you can dish the ez damage
tony hawk skate flip
nothing personnel , dad
gray lintel
random fun fact: sword, fists, and shield can move from side to side while attacking(first attack only except for fists). gun, bow, and spear freezes you in place
probably most noticable un a fully upgraded zagreus sword cause you can do run by slashes
dense locust
This was a really fun one. Twin Fists, Aspect of Talos, Long Knuckle and Explosive Upper (barely used), athena attack and 5 athena dashes, Stygian soul mirror trait. The Bone Hourglass proved to be a very good choice for styx (I only had 1 cast until then): https://imgur.com/99w3CVt
I felt like some sort of ice mage
sullen valley
Chill doesn’t deal damage in base form, right?
dense locust
Right
cunning urchin
Catching up a bit, I can't understand how anyone could call Weak weak. It virtually doubles your effective HP.
clear dome
well, it does not increase dps
and anything that does not improve dps is weak
even with the more damage on enemies with weak is not enough
proven tartan
Cause it deals no damage. And your effective hp is virtually doubled only if you debuffed something that hits you. So, weak effect is just ok as a secondary debuff.
Athena dash does not improve dps. (only a little bit). Athena dash is good.
clear dome
athena dash improves dps if you have brilliant riposte or exposed
proven tartan
But usually you dont build your skills around Athena dash
clear dome
true, but dashes are supposed to be secondary
proven tartan
You can clean entire rooms in early Tartarus (versus skulls) and in temple of Styx (vs rats) just dashing around
sometimes they deal damage
naive laurel
"weak does No dmg" but also has 2ndary boons to amp dmg increase duration, and further negate dmg. Not to mention thr highest multiplier.
clear dome
amp damage does nothing
even with lvl4 aphro attack on gun it barely does little ddamage
naive laurel
Did u just use a 10 dmg base as example......
proven tartan
aphro attack on gun kekW
naive laurel
lvl 4 Apho atk on arthur, with dmg amp t2 boon, take 20 hits to kill hades phase 1
proven tartan
*Poseidon attack with Zeus-Poseidon duo 
lament coral
what do you put Zeus on? Special? Dash?
proven tartan
anything secondary
clear dome
zeus dash is decent imo
lament coral
special feels bad cause it doesn't bounce, and the damage is really bad
lament coral
but until you get the duo, you deal no damage
Poseidon has the 2nd lowest attack % in the game, only Artemis is lower but she has the crit to compensate
Zeus attack instantly doubles your attack damage
even a common Zeus attack is 10 damage, and it bounces
for comparison, the highest epic attack % is Aphrodite with 80%, which translates to a meager 8 damage
proven tartan
you can increase damage of Poseidon`s attack with some chaos boons
lament coral
no, that's not how Chaos' bonuses work
it only gives a % of your base attack
so +50% Chaos attack is only 5 damage
proven tartan
hm, i thought it works on "physic" modifiers - Poseidon, Athena, etc
lament coral
no no, they only increase the base damage
so 10 base + 50% from Chaos + 40% from Poseidon would only be 10 + 5 + 4 = 19
and a common Zeus attack is 10 base + 10 Zeus = 20
naive laurel
So chaoes bonus is additive just like i suspected..
which is why I'm taking them less and less now unless i got non-% or artemis on the bonus given
stiff flume
what about artemis boons, do they stack additively
like when i get
20% crit chance on normal attack boon
and later i get her boon that says "all your damage has 5% chance to crit"
whats my crit percentage on attack then
20, 25 or something inbetween?
dense locust
25% for attack, 5% for everything else
naive laurel
it's still diminishing return if u think about percentage increase compared to previous
but, it still scales best compared to other methods of increase, cuz crit is unique, and therfore won't have much previous bonuses to diminish your increase
5% crit on everything is literally +10% dmg on everything in the long run
arugably better than urge to kill even on heroic
Does the hell mode mandatory heat increase cap?
naive laurel
oh i mean the condition of not able to start a run without more heat the prior completion
lament coral
it increases by 1 each time you beat it, with 25 being the final
you can replay 25 or go higher, but you can't go lower
naive laurel
k, that's good news, since I'm getting closer, and i can finally be certain to edit the page now
Pardon my memory, but chaoes' grasp bonus only gives +1 cast stone on all rarity now right
earnest ravine
Yup.
marble coral
||when does the final form of the blade reveal itself? have done 3 clears in a row with the sword now and have the other forms unlocked||
earnest ravine
There's a pinned message in the Spoiler chat that tells you.
marble coral
ah thank you
earnest ravine
If you've fulfilled all of the conditions, then it's just waiting on RNG.
lament coral
you might have a bunch of messages queued, preventing you from getting the blade one
naive laurel
k done, kinda similar to normal edit to an extent lul
so, there's a LOT of value wrong in chaoes section, we prob need some datamining for it
tawdry sail
Ran into a horrible bug
Demeter's Rare Crop turned from Rare to Normal because I left the room too early.
Only 1 Cultivating message had showed up when I left the chamber
Reported it
azure lake
Hey guys, when i start with the ares trinket, I don't really see artemis boons so if I want to try hunting blades I have to pick artemis' trinket in asmophel but when I do that I don't see anymore Ares', just a lot of Dionysus, Artemis and Poseidon, is this normal ? Or extremely unlucky ? It happened 3 to 4 runs in a row for some reason
azure lake
I'm not, I'm kinda pissed at that poor luck 3 to 4 runs in a row tbh, but thanks
lament coral
@azure lake forcing Hunting Blades is really hard. I assume you're trying this with Poseidon sword?
azure lake
nah achilles' spear and stygian soul
I succeed the first time, without great success but just with success it was really good, a good run might be terrific, but it seems too RNG reliant
lament coral
it just takes too long to get going
the blades do nice damage but without homing it's a real pain the ass
azure lake
well if you find several ares' boons it's good, but in my last 4 runs I only got 1 ares boon, the first one because of the trinket
lament coral
are you using Fated Persuasion?
FP helps ensure that you get the cast off that first Ares but past that it's not super hot since you can't change rooms
Fated Authority's room rerolls ensure that you can avoid at least some of the gods that you don't want
preventing the situation like the one you described, where you get a bunch of unrelated gods early on and they pollute your pool
quartz crow
just tried out a shotgun hammer for the gun
bastion musket is here 😄
now to add posiden for the finishing touch...
marble coral
just did first run with Arthur blade, seems a lot stronger than the other forms
naive tusk
There’s a pin in #h1-story-discussion on how to unlock Aspect of Arthur in case you want to know the requisites
tawdry sail
Finally caught the two spears of Theseus on the bug reporting tool. 
naive laurel
Nice job, longoverdue
on that note, If anyone got some extreme stats from chaoes, or can do some datamining on chaoes boons details, u can post It here
sullen valley
“The 2 spears of Theseus.”
I already didn’t like the Macedonian but that doesn’t sound fun either
fallow niche
@turbid needle Shooting for 3:30 now
empty mason
which boons do you guys like on arthur blade?
round summit
I think Zeus is always a save bet for any weapon really
I still haven't played with Arthur's aspect, but Zeus is really good on distributing damage
earnest ravine
Zeus ain't great on Arthur. The swings make it too slow to get full benefit from it for an attack, MIGHT be good on special.
Aphrodite and Artemis are great depending on if you want high consistent damage or really pretty 1k+ crits.
Demeter's good if you're having issues with dodging due to the swing speed of your attacks, but she's also just pretty swell in general. Poseidon is also okay for similar reasosn but not really high up on priority.
Also, revenge builds and damage reduction builds are SUPER valid for Arthur, even if getting hit to deal damage feels scary due to every other weapon in the game.
quartz crow
umm is it just me or does increasing special radius not effect guan yu
round summit
So Zeus, Ares and Dionysus aren't really good picks for the sword
quartz crow
that's pretty bs if so
earnest ravine
Arthur sword in particular. For the others they're okay.
round summit
umm is it just me or does increasing special radius not effect guan yu
It's there, but it's hard to see
naive laurel
https://hades.gamepedia.com/Gemstone#Trade-up_prices_at_Wretched_broker
Anyone wanna give it a look and see if there's more improvements to be added?
round summit
@earnest ravine that's what I meant, just wrote in and strange way, sorry
earnest ravine
Ah! No worries, communication hard