or athena dash with the knock away effect
#h1-builds-and-combat
dense locust
naive laurel
I almost never use nemesis lul, maybe I should try
dense locust
I guess I've had enough runs where I just don't get the 2nd status effect that im hesitant to use it again
solid cairn
I did family favorite real dirty once. Called it a crutch and stuff
Now I use it a lot
naive laurel
Relying on close range dmg has never ended up well for me
solid cairn
Nemesis is a mixed bag
dense locust
but the extra damage isn't all that significant and I feel like having it always there makes up for the times you attack and enemy without two status effects
solid cairn
You either kill everything instantly or keep trading damage with enemies until you die
dense locust
I can only do nemesis with athena attack so far, at least at 32 heat
solid cairn
I used to use it but I’m not as much of a fan anymore
dense locust
athena attack gives a nice balance of defensive and offensive
and you can get deadly reversal for the extra crit chance, and even heart rend if you have the aphro cast
dense locust
Demeter fists are great
solid cairn
Especially with long knuckle
dense locust
Athena and demeter are my favorite fists
solid cairn
Athena?
naive laurel
Oh shiet
dense locust
and long knuckle is just the flat out best hammer
naive laurel
I do zeus fist the most
solid cairn
Oh you mean Athena attack
dense locust
yeah
solid cairn
Every weapon seems to have one broken hammer effect
solid cairn
Rail has 2 broken hammers
naive laurel
Both special multi shot are op imo
dense locust
I'd argue rail is just broken
solid cairn
Spread shot rail with Artemis attack has the speedrun record for a reason
solid cairn
They could
turbid needle
Which god's good with shield?
solid cairn
Ares special on chaos shield is a personal favorite
dense locust
It's also probably the best
turbid needle
Aspect of chaos
solid cairn
I call it the “Doom the Room” build
dense locust
but I have good lucky with hybrid builds using zeus aspect
naive laurel
Imo ares is good in normal encounters and dio special for bosses
solid cairn
People seem to love or hate Zeus shield
dense locust
Both of my 32+ heats have been with zeus shield. Yeah I only talk about aspects assuming they are maxed
solid cairn
I don’t have spare Titan blood
dense locust
I was getting trashed trying to defend zeus shield here last night
solid cairn
Also I don’t want to max something I may or may not enjoy
dense locust
Well one run I had aphro special and got the aphro legendary by chamber 7
naive laurel
zeus shield feels like a movement skill test
if u can trail the special onto the boss behind u, then it's op af
solid cairn
Currently about to get Demeter fists to level 5
naive laurel
I used to think it just should stay there
dense locust
and the zeus aspect shield hits a lot so that run I was running around trying not to get hit while my shield followed me most of the time charming everything in its path
naive laurel
but no, it returning it the best form
I'll say having artemis or demeter on zeus shield special is the best
artemis for chaoes dmg bonus max effect
she scales best w/ chaoes dmg boost
dense locust
The other run I forced a dash attack run but never ended up getting an attack boon due to approval process until the end of styx, but artemis special zeus aspect shield along with level 6 poseidon call (and 5 athena dashes...) made it through
naive laurel
lul
solid cairn
Zeus shield special kinda reminds me of guan yu spin projectile in a way
naive laurel
but doesn't need to root urself to cast
naive laurel
lvl 1? that's something
stiff flume
oh damn, 33 nice
im working on that too
think i should get rid of the time limit tho, that thing just kills me with that many mods
dense locust
okay I fixed the link
That shield run was extremely suboptimal but still ended up pretty strong. I think zeus aspect shield benefits from more of a hybrid build
naive laurel
i would agree, but also it can be op w/ demeter 10 slow burst boon
it's probably the only infinite slow stacking atk method atm
at range, ofc
dense locust
Demeter is more in line with a hybrid build tbh
solid cairn
How fun is Chiron aspect bow
sly sonnet
That run looks lit af
stiff flume
great with zeus
dense locust
Get some good attack hammers and attack focused boons along with this shield slows everything and its great
naive laurel
that special dmg bonus is basically scary
i think i abolished almost everything that ain't a boss
dense locust
Yeah your shield was probably critting for like 350 a hit?
solid cairn
Gonna watch a run with it
dense locust
not to mention it hits like 4 times a second
dense locust
Nice
naive laurel
actually, 370 agains hades
dense locust
Yeah that sounds about right
Mine was critting for 250ish but I also had deadly reversal so it was pretty much 40% crit chance most of the time
stiff flume
what keepsake do you guys start with for hard runs? 32 and above?
dense locust
The boon of the god that lays the groundwork for the build im going for
and sometimes chaos
naive laurel
I'm already losing my streak on heat 10-15 lul, this ain't gonna be easy on 20 ish
stiff flume
if you can manage to not take dmg
dense locust
You have to keep that keepsake in order for the effect to work though
dense locust
It can be a bit tricky
especially if you're trying to keep it on enemies following you
naive laurel
lemme clip my terrible showcase
Basically zeus aspect kinda goes bad the moment forced overtime goes from 20% to 40% tho, as they now move faster than the shield's retraction.
dense locust
It does rely a lot on using the shield to follow you so getting extra dashes and athena dash is ideal
But most hammers don't help zeus aspect at all, so that's why I think it's more suited to a hybrid build
naive laurel
Yeah...I went hard dependant on its damage that game
dense locust
in fact explosive return is the only hammer that works with zeus aspect
naive laurel
and u can see it took me 33 mins to finish that game iirc, cuz some enemies are way harder to hit w/ it
dense locust
But the shield attack hammers are amazing like the double attack when you dash attack, or charged shot
naive laurel
I went for faster rush for extra mobility that game
and the dash atk bonus, to go w/ the artemis dash atk
it's same game as the pic I send above if i see it correctly
solid cairn
Man it’s crazy how much my thoughts have changed on the fists
weak rivet
I made the mistake of picking up a hammer that made bullrush short range and killed my run
Then again i didnt really plan to finish it in the first place but eh
dense locust
Yeah that one is sketch if you are relying on your bull rush
weak rivet
Still got to Redacted so i guess i wasnt doing that bad
dense locust
what is redacted
Ive seen it on the history of runs that the aspect is redacted sometimes
solid cairn
Spoilers are allowed here
dense locust
If you go to the administration room and look at previous runs, the "form" category will sometimes say redacted
slate dove
Pretty sure redacted refers to the final boss
dense locust
probably how he meant it, but my comment still stands
naive laurel
I think redacted form is zag
dense locust
holy crap went into hades on hell mode with 33 heat, chiron bow, 300 hp, and 3 dds, and left with 60 hp and no more lives
dense locust
naive laurel
sly sonnet
What
dense locust
I've gotten pretty good at dodging the spin attack but this build was slow damage and I only had 2 dashes and no dash modifier
sly sonnet
i am writing the names of the hammer upgrades
zinc oasis
Oh what Impending doom is that
dense locust
Aphrodite call was up all the time though and it was great for interrupting hades mid spin attack or during the disco ball
zinc oasis
That's not what it say in French
sly sonnet
that 2 hammer combo i want to try
dense locust
I really like doom attack with those two hammers
It'd be much stronger at lower heat without routine inspection
Demeter special slows everything down, aphro cast (with the boon that adds time to the duration of weak) along with epic Quick Recovery from hermes, and aphrodite call, and I was able to slow play it
dense locust
The run before last I was offered a total of 4 boons by about 8 chambers into elysium
stiff flume
killed hydra
and i have decent boons
this might be the run
i only need my deatsh refreshed and i might be good to go
stiff stone
@icy girder pro-tip, in Styx you can just exit the room if you are poisoned and it will clear it
@turbid needle I feel your pain about the EM fight, but I don't think removing it will solve anything because just as many people, me included, complain about Asteriu's turn radius during the charge. It just needs some tweaking and balancing.
tall yarrow
I was in this run last night with shield so I usually just block the charge. So I stood my ground and held my shield up when Asterius charged ... and he just ended up running a tight little circle around me over and over lol
sullen valley
I have a question
Why does Zagreus just dash towards the direction he's facing despite whatever direction you're holding?
lament coral
there's an option for that in the settings, I believe
sullen valley
doh god it never feels good to need to sneeze three times in a row during an Asterius miniboss
Where is the option to being able to dash where your keys are pressing
lament coral
that's the default option
sullen valley
Dash towards Mouse (Disabled by Default)
Zagreus with Coronacht: Ah, yes, I shall dash forward into my enemies despite the S key being held down.
Patroclus: I don't speak.
This run is so jank Patroclus' voice line didn't play
I got beat by Thanatos by he defeated every enemy except two
I have ALMOST ALL Athena and I'm using aspect of Chiron
How do you cope with havng a run you're uncomfortable with but you're good without giving up or wiping because you still have 3 DD's
Alright, half of my sound is broken, no one's talking and item sounds don't work.
My frames are tanking mid-fight despite my computer only starting to seethe now and I've discovered that when Theseus calls for Demeter she somehow slows Theseus down (but doesn't damage him)
Don't know what causes the bug for the sound error and too late to try and report it anyway, closed the game to let my computer cool down
sly sonnet
Yeah yesterday I also had a weird bug where I had significant lag in a room in elysium and then it stopped a bit after
sly sonnet
what
its never currency foor me
I like when its currency
Its always darkness for me
But I am like full health and it only gives me 5 max health so whats the point
sullen valley
You have RNG Pockets, Altacc
stiff flume
ye i mean darkness etc
just that category
darkness, gems, etc
also is there something i dont understand about the spear? i hate this thing, only wapon i dont like to play
i never deal any damage with it
sly sonnet
Did you try guan yu ?
It plays a lot different than other spears
I also dont like spears but I use guan yu a lot
stiff flume
also charging up requires you to stand in place on top
sly sonnet
But then tis really strong
stiff flume
hmmm
sly sonnet
You can charge up one
then dash after filling it fully
and you can practically keep dashing into your spins
stiff flume
guess ill give it a shot again in my next run 🤔 i guess it is nice to always heal up on the last couple of enemies
sly sonnet
And use the special too
And you can stack a lot with it
Like put athena attack
and you practically have a constantly deflecting attack
stiff flume
mhh i see, ty
sly sonnet
np
But yeah I feel like they need to change something about default spear special
I found no use for it
other than maybe backstab build
stiff flume
even the spin attack feels bad... you just have to stay in place. on high packt of punishment runs thats just death
stiff flume
ye
naive laurel
That probably should be half-baseline
turbid needle
@turbid needle I feel your pain about the EM fight, but I don't think removing it will solve anything because just as many people, me included, complain about Asteriu's turn radius during the charge. It just needs some tweaking and balancing.
@stiff stone The difference is the charge is actually pretty easy to dodge while the spin attack is the sort of overpowered "Go to Hell" move that belongs in a "turns red" phase.
Hades doesn't open with his full radial laser attack, Asterius shouldn't either.
rancid shore
by "take out" do you mean remove entirely or revert to older spin attack @turbid needle
one of those is much better than the other
turbid needle
Asterius should not use his tornado attack until he's hit 50% HP.
rancid shore
the big one, right? that's like 50% of the arena?
turbid needle
Yes, that lasts for like 10 seconds?
stiff flume
i..
rancid shore
yeah, that's kinda bad
stiff flume
is that 1005 heat
turbid needle
I'm not aware of an older spin attack.
stiff flume
rancid shore
is there not a small one? dammit now i can't remember
turbid needle
Video went up August 9th of last year.
stiff flume
ah
rancid shore
huh that might have been something i confabulated??
but i still think removing it entirely is bad. Having a small spin attack (as in not as large&long) before 50% health would be better
stiff stone
idk about you guys but I rarely have issues with the big spin
turbid needle
He still has better damage and the shockwaves upon landing his leaps.
Save the spin for phase 2.
Same, but that doesn't make it an absurd move that he frequently uses to open the fight.
stiff stone
I have issues with it when he spams it 4/5 times in a row
turbid needle
I'd be okay with a smaller spin attack in phase 1.
How long have we had Extreme Measures 3? Since Welcome To Hell?
stiff stone
Think so, it's when I started and remember seeing it in the patch notes
covert tide
I agree with the spin being for phase 2
Even if you are good at dodging it it can make the fight take forever
If you’re using a melee weapon
stiff stone
I think it just needs balancing
rancid shore
personally big spin is the only thing from asterius that will kill me. I don't have a problem with it really, but it sucks that barely being unable to dodge it deals the full damage (which is a separate issue, kinda)
stiff stone
yes, but it's a boss, so you should feel some sort of threat from it
otherwise you're just gonna cruise through all of it till the end
covert tide
I’m not upset about it being too hard, I don’t like that it takes forever if he just spins over and over again
turbid needle
Asterius hits harder than any other enemy in the game besides the final boss (and his stupid friend's bombs).
covert tide
If I get him as a mini boss as well it can ruin a tight deadline in Elysium
Normally I agree that people complaining about difficulty need to just practice more and become comfortable with the fight they’re concerned about
stiff stone
I mean theseus hits just as hard with the rockets
covert tide
But I have no problem dodging the spin and still hate it
rancid shore
I'm not saying it's too hard. It just feels bad
turbid needle
- It's his only attack that does. 2) It should not hit as hard as they do.
covert tide
You can still attack theseus while he’s doing the rockets
You can’t get in to attack asterius while he’s spinning, at all
rancid shore
do the rockets still bounce?
turbid needle
Yes.
stiff stone
- wrong, he charges while firing, and he can run you over 2) they should be more noticeable
rancid shore
without an indicator?
covert tide
You can attack him from behind
turbid needle
Yes.
rancid shore
Ah, good. So it's just as bad, got it
turbid needle
No hit that any enemy deals in the entire game reaches 60 base damage, besides Theseus's EM bombs.
covert tide
You can’t attack asterius in melee if he’s spinning and the spin lasts a really long time, and sometimes he decides to do it over and over and over again
rancid shore
It's one thing to have hard hitting attacks that are telegraphed immediately, but those bouncing bombs are so stupid
covert tide
It can seriously add 30 seconds or more to the fight
rancid shore
They should add a cooldown to the spin or something
I've always hated when he did it like 4 times in a row
covert tide
Yeah a cool down would fix it too
covert tide
Anything that stops him just doing it over and over all fight long
rancid shore
I only ever get hit by it because I get out zoned from him doing it 5 times and theseus going anywhere i would dodge :c
turbid needle
Let's not forget that even Deflecting Theseus's bombs with Athena does not make them safe to stand in, which is just six kinds of screwed.
But we're getting away from Asterius's spin attack and the fact that it doesn't belong in the first half of the fight.
covert tide
I turned off extreme measures for them because of the potential for it to just completely ruin an otherwise really good run
And have to take the heat elsewhere
stiff stone
I still disagree, what if you're going for Theseus first? I do sometimes during a rly good run, how's asterius gonna do anything to stop me? He won't, the spin is the only threat
covert tide
But I feel like if I have a build that could easily defeat hades there’s no reason for it to make me die to theseus and asterius
stiff stone
spoiler tag that
rancid shore
we're in gameplay it's fine
turbid needle
We're in Gameplay, it's fine.
covert tide
Spoilers are allowed in gameplay
stiff stone
ook
rancid shore
lmao schpoon
covert tide
Not discussion
turbid needle
Any of Asterius's regular swings are plenty threatening, as is his charge attack.
stiff stone
Eh.. depends on what you dump your heat. I think you have issue with it because you play with +100% damage from enemies. Hard Labor.
covert tide
I only play with the mandatory one tick of hard labor for hell mode
turbid needle
I could move the Heat to the timer and be effectively playing on 10 Heat given I always clear the timer anyway.
covert tide
Wait... if you always clear the timer why don’t you take that heat??
turbid needle
Because I want the challenge.
covert tide
So take both???
stiff stone
idk, I have it at 40% at all times and have no issue with the fight, sure I sometimes die to it, but it's just like any ol' damage check
so that's on you then
turbid needle
There'd be no difference between 15 and 20 Heat at that point.
covert tide
I’m not dying because I’m getting hit by the whirlwind, I’m dying to the fights taking collectively 1.5 minutes longer than they otherwise would
stiff stone
I don't disagree that Elysium takes longer than any other area
I've been a proponent for changes so that it takes less for a while now
turbid needle
No Erebus Gates appear in Styx so I cap at 15 now that I have all weapons cleared at 32 Heat.
covert tide
Even though Thanatos loves me he doesn’t hesitate to kill me dead if I’m slow
turbid needle
They paused Tight Deadline in Thanatos encounters a while back.
covert tide
I know
stiff stone
I guess? I have not heard of anyone setting their pact for Erebus gates
I just set it for difficulty's sake to whatever feels manageable but not too hard
covert tide
I’m attributing the ticking damage for running out of time as thanatos’s responsibility
I think zag even emotes about it
stiff stone
Yea, i'm just glad it's not an instant K.O.
covert tide
He runs out of time and he’s like “sorry Than!”
And the screen goes the same color as thanatos appearing, I think
covert tide
Yes, I mean I think I’ve heard zag emote about Thanatos at the 30s warning too
rancid shore
god imagine if it played the sonic drowning music for that
covert tide
Omg
I’m pretty sure the sonic drowning music can single-handedly boost the cortisol levels in my body
To unhealthy heights
stiff flume
if you select a keepsake by a god
does it only affect the next boon you find
or does thaat god's boon spawn more frequently afterwards as long as you have the keepsake equiped
naive laurel
that was some dmg 2bh...
I think this weapon's hammer upgrades are the most important towards the efficiency
dry yoke
Can you absorb special in rocket form?
sullen valley
How's Inescapable Blast work with the rocket again?
naive laurel
Or, like me, walk into hades andd blast him
Not sure If it's pickable after 1 is picked
sullen valley
Hum.
...I wanna know how they got the Hammer info for each weapon.
It's pretty easy to test for what boons you can obtain from what god and when, but if you aimed specifically for Daedalus Hammers for testing...
I wonder if it was Datamined.
naive laurel
Not...sure, but I hope devs can give us answers on this
Btw, have this happened to u guys before? I even have life affirmation but this is probably rare af
https://imgur.com/OY7fxiZ
19 extra max health in elysium very close to boss
I think I got a styx premium for all 3 replenishes in elysium, then rerolled bought 2 in styx
had 9 health left after beating hades
0 dd, ofc
I think by, I forgot who, 's suggestion of picking up the collar for health, save me.
rancid shore
Yeah it's pretty easy to see what's exclusive if you datamine @sullen valley
sullen valley
Yeah that seems about right.
rancid shore
fun fact: the files call demeter's legendary chillkill
turbid needle
dibs on my 80s-style hair band name
fallow niche
@turbid needle Sub-5 is easily possible this update
fallow niche
Yup
Someone used some of my route (before messing something up) and got a 6:05. With a 40 second slower asphodel than me. And a 3 sack.
Like, basic math speaking its VERY possible to get a sub-5
He also had Hades go invis once
So yeahhhh
I'm excite
With how hard SG nerfs our speedrunning builds I wonder how brutal the changes will be this time come next big update 😂
turbid needle
Just reverting Spread Fire. 
turbid needle
Wouldn't that be reversing?
Changing it back to five shots would break the super speedrun set-up.
torpid turret
Hey everyone, if you're interesting in speedrunning now's the time to get into it. Currently hosting a competition. https://www.speedrun.com/hades/thread/6nb1u/1#w7dgo
fallow niche
Sub 6 bounty 
turbid needle
Forge, gonna need you to gimme a crash course in routing.
rancid shore
well it looks like the bounty actually works haha
turbid needle
fallow niche
If anyone gets to do the full route I'll give them my Elysium route
And Styx route when they do that full thing too
Its hard to replicate without tons of practice, there is strict timing in some rooms
And everyone has their own strategies to getting the timing right, from using menus at the right speed to listening to audio cue
turbid needle
See, I just wanna push buttons and go fast. 
fallow niche
I mean, you can, this route just makes RNG less of a factor
The current WR is just someone pushing buttons and going fast after using a tiny bit of the tartarus route
torpid turret
I've made a change so In the event that 3 sub 6 runs are not submitted to the leaderboard by the deadline, prize(s) will be given to next fastest non sub 6 run(s).
fallow niche
Yeah that's annoying I hate it
sullen valley
The angriest noises
rancid shore
I hate that
some corners are like that, but then you can also dash across some weirdly big gaps for some reason??
rancid shore
I'm not sure how, but I'm sorry ;;
sullen valley
Heccin Crush Shot can either barely hit things out of it's Particle Effect range,
or you need to be pretty up close with it.
And I cannot tell you what affects it.
tepid ridge
Please my blood pressure cannot take being reminded of getting stuck on architecture like that while being chased by flamewheels/chariots.
sullen valley
Thats the exact reason why I lost a Butterfly charge
Daedalus: Yeah that seems about right
Zagreus:
Flamewheel: OwO
sullen valley
Now if only I had access to that channel, huh.
tepid ridge
@sullen valley needs to go to bot commands and get roles first.
sullen valley
...oh
tepid ridge
After that the feedback channel should be unlocked.
buoyant junco
damn dude you could have been dunking on these supergiant scrubs this whole time
(jk, ofc)
sullen valley
I did the do it
...imagine a Chaos Curse that temporarily adds a random 1-rank heat. Or something in the Pact of Punishment that allows for that possibility.
sullen valley
...did Bouldy give you damage resistance?
covert tide
Nah move speed this time
Oh wait no I didn’t see him this run
Or is that him in the top middle?
If I did it was move speed
sullen valley
Yeah you have a bouldy boon
covert tide
I did a few runs in quick succession so my bouldy encounters were blurring together in my memory
sullen valley
covert tide
How bout that lvl 5 heroic drunken strike though???
turbid needle
I usually stop leveling that when I hit 10 damage, how fast did bosses melt?
sullen valley
Drunken Master
covert tide
Absurd
Hades died in under a minute I think
Asterius and theseus were like 20 seconds
turbid needle
You've had Explosive Upper and Deadly flourish before, right?
covert tide
Yes
Okay but like... 60/0.5s multiplied by blackout, privileged status, and ravenous will (most of the time) plus the 40/0.5s from killing freeze with all the same multipliers
It was stupid
sullen valley
I want to hear Hades lines vary depending on how fast you beat him
sullen valley
How much HP did you have again...?
covert tide
Max? 245
sullen valley
And by the end of the fight?
covert tide
Oh I didn’t start full
dusk moss
Speaking of Bouldy, what's "ambiguity" by the way?
covert tide
I don’t know how much I had to begin with
sullen valley
literally nothing
covert tide
@dusk moss I’ve been told nothing, yeah
Anyway at first I was doing my usual attempts to get out of the WWs but shortly stopped trying to dodge
And then just spammed ice wine and attack at him
sullen valley
Pft
...You know what’s be a jank keepsake?
If Hades gave you something that significantly helped against underworld bosses, but by the time you try to fight Hades with it, he reveals during dialogue that the keepsake would make the fight against Hades harder
sullen valley
“So...you’ve brought my keepsake all the way here with you, then.”
“Why yes, father, it has certainly treated me well. I’d also like to see how I fare against you with it. And what this ‘surprise’ is, now that I’m here at the surface.”
“Hahah, is that so, boy? Do you know what you’ve brought to me?”
...
cant think of a keepsake would do to make Hades harder. But Hades would definitely make a cleverly worded remark that tells the player what happens. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
covert tide
Laser that attaches on the end of his spear
sullen valley
Pft
covert tide
Pew pew
sullen valley
I was thinking somehow, either you take more damage by default like a permanent Boiling Blood status effect,
You spawn a Boiling Blood skull every so often,
Some kind of flip on whatever happened to other Underworld Bosses that then happens to you.
And if you got killed by the keepsake, the cause of death could be:
A. redacted
B. Himself
naive laurel
Pretty simple idea here
Sentencing pen
Effect:
1% of your damage dealt on enemies converts to your health.
For each encounter you cleared with this equipped, hades restore 0.2% of his max health when he deals damage to you. (rule similar to plume so in styx only final chamber counts)
You cannot switch keepsakes after you equips this keepsake.
sullen valley
Hm, I was thinking instead a skull, like one of Hades' casts. Pens don't exist yet, and I feel having a feather item should be just unique to Hermes.
Instead, your cast projectile is replaced with a diet-version of Hades' Cast. You shoot the cast, it lodges in an enemy like usual, but when dislodging and after pickup, Zagreus emits a 25 base damage shockwave, in similar size to Lernie's slams or an expanded Nova.
Or, the keepsake simply boosts the damage an enemy takes whilst a cast is lodged within them.
jagged wolf
Ok just found out that getting Demeters cast boon makes the hydra fight so easy its not even funny
I hate fighting the hydra if anyone can tell hsjshfj
sullen valley
Which one, laser or explosiun.
dense locust
@naive laurel The numbers would need to be adjusted considering 1% of your damage equates probably to a hundred life per room
solid cairn
Guns don’t exist yet either
sullen valley
uh, I think this is the wrong topic you posted in, lol
solid cairn
You don’t exist yet either
sullen valley
You know what would be a jank keepsake?
If Hades gave you something that significantly helped against underworld bosses, but by the time you try to fight Hades with it, he reveals during dialogue that the keepsake would make the fight against Hades harder
solid cairn
So extreme measures Hades
Sounds cool
Each rank gives hades one more trick up his sleeve
clear dome
but its painful
solid cairn
Bosses have a passive boiling blood effect
solid cairn
That stacks with the one from lodging casts in
sullen valley
Pfheheheheheh
And then my idea for that idea would be YOU get the permanent Boiling Blood effect when fighting Hades.
skull keepsakesss
solid cairn
That stacks with his boiling blood
sullen valley
Oh jebus chripe no
imagine losing your 32+Hades Keepsake run because you got hit like 3 times
solid cairn
So just put it on during elysium
And then deal with hades
Would actually help a lot during elysium
Would it affect enemies or just bosses?
sullen valley
The Keepsake wouldn't really tell you what it would do when you reach the surface, it just tells you that you shouldn't meet Hades with it.
I'd say bosses. Could work with enemies too, but the main idea just kinda surrounds the bosses I guess.
solid cairn
You can’t unequip it though right?
sullen valley
Maybeeeee.
If it affected all enemies, it'd be diet Hades Cast.
If it affected just bosses, it should be a complete Hades Cast.
Tis a funky and funny thought. Maybe it should force onto you if it's gonna be strong.
Like, overall strong.
solid cairn
Yeah
solid cairn
?
sullen valley
If you had Coronacht equipped, Chaos could offer you:
A Boon that gives you +__>__1 Special Arrow. And/or a Curse that removes your ability to power-shot.
sullen valley
If you had Stygius equipped, you could be offered:
A Boon that increases your attack speed. And/or a Curse that renders you unable to attack, instead leaving you only capable of Dash Attacking (You won't get damaged attempting to normally attack, but you still couldn't.)
That's a...that would be kind of complex if every hammer upgrade was accounted for. I did think of a hammer-related Boon/Curse dealio, however.
Boon: Your [Hammer Upgrade] deals more damage by +>[X]0%.
Curse: Your [Hammer Upgrade] is temporarily removed.
solid cairn
Some of them can’t be measured like that @sullen valley
Such as rail special slow
And replacing moves
sullen valley
Hm...
I guess you Can account for every Hammer Upgrade, if you make an approach such as that (Which I like!).
For something like Triple Bomb, the speed would be affected instead of damage.
For Double Nova, the amount of times your Special hits could be affected instead. Or radius.
sullen valley
I thought they can? Wait, can they not?
I would see no reason why they wouldn't, but...
tepid ridge
They can’t. Just confirmed during a run. I kind of like the theming that Zagreus can’t negotiate with a piece of metal.
sullen valley
snrk
solid cairn
Fated persuasion is garbage tho
solid cairn
Why does it take x+1 dice to reroll
Think about it this way
FA is better for family favorite and privileged status
tepid ridge
I find it useful when hunting for rare boons or trying to chisel out a build but I agree, the rerolls are a little janky.
tall yarrow
Does FA reroll rarities also
solid cairn
FP has a chance of being good or bad
tall yarrow
FP*
solid cairn
FP can make rarities worse
sullen valley
I've gotten the same amount of Epics on a reroll, so it shouldn't.
solid cairn
It can give you the same boon but worse
tall yarrow
I wonder if they reroll rarities but at minimum offered the same or better that might be nice
solid cairn
Just make it so you can’t get the same boon after a reroll
Make it so it always costs 1 to reroll
sullen valley
especially if the second rank of FP costs 5000 darkness
tall yarrow
So you get a couple epics but they just don’t work, rerolling and getting more epics would be nice
solid cairn
And now it’s comparable to FA
sullen valley
Heccin 5000 darkness thing that's like almost as much as upgrading the administrative portal
tall yarrow
Thought I saw something like that in the patch notes for the week after or am I misremembering
solid cairn
FP becomes better for getting the right boons, but FA is better for priv status and family favorite
It’s balanced that way
sullen valley
I like, Fated Persuasion an Artemis, she had 1 rare available. I rerolled and she is reduced to all commons.
Then again, that's what I get for being picky
solid cairn
But yeah FP has a long way to go to be comparable to FA @sullen valley
Tbh lift some of the stipulations from FP like what I mentioned earlier and it’s a solid choice
tall yarrow
Maybe it would be better to just re organize the mirror pairings
FP as an alternate to one of the rarity increasing perks might be decent enough
solid cairn
Fiery presence is bad
tall yarrow
Then you are choosing between pickier about perks or better perks overall
solid cairn
How will that work tho
Will the dice be used for both?
Tbh the most balance pairs of mirror upgrades are Stygian Soul/Extra casts and Family Favorite/Privileged Status
tall yarrow
I use fiery sometimes but not much
sullen valley
Maybe 60 to 50%?
solid cairn
You get a damage bonus until you get hit 3 times in a room
sullen valley
Ah, neat.
tall yarrow
3 seems a lot
sullen valley
...Say, do you think Theseus always runs High Confidence on his run-ins?
solid cairn
Which is a buff from before
tall yarrow
May be too much the other direction though idk
tall yarrow
That alternate death defiance needs a rework especially since it doesn’t play nice with a lot of boons
solid cairn
Yeah
I did a huge rant on that
How it’s a bad crutch
Promotes new players to be reckless “because they can” which is a bad habit
How about give a benefit for keeping the defiance
sullen valley
"Restores XX% of HP if you keep it" kinda thing?
Could be like an extra rank, since compared to Death Defiance, it only needs 1 rank fulfilled as opposed to the DD's 3.
solid cairn
Maybe the more you keep it without losing it, you get a chance to not lose the defiance when you would normally
tall yarrow
Restoring a chunk of health every room if you haven’t triggered it would make it fine.
sullen valley
Me: Let's add a THIRD SET of Mirror Perks! That's clearly a good idea! =D
solid cairn
You know the boiling blood alternate one that sucks
That makes enemies do less damage
sullen valley
I reduced my max HP to 20 HP once!
solid cairn
Why not have it slow them down?
tall yarrow
I think that one is fine
sullen valley
I thought that one did slow them down
solid cairn
It makes them attack slower?
sullen valley
"Each rank reduces foes' speed and damage..."
solid cairn
Would that be too good tho
tall yarrow
A perk to carry more trinkets would be cool but I also wouldn’t mind them overhauling the entire system and combining the perks and trinkets together into like talent trees or something
tall yarrow
Idk the mirror is better but it still feels lacking
sullen valley
I can feel a bit underwhelming for some parts, but it was only given an update some time ago
tall yarrow
And I wish I could carry even one more keepsake even if i have to give up something
But there’s already so much redundancy because a lot of keepsakes are similar to mirror perks
solid cairn
I’ll give them a pass because they’re still working on it
sullen valley
...uh...would...
...would a 4th-aspect exagryph be like a...
...would it be a different kind of firearm or a real gun?
tepid ridge
I think thematically Exagryph is already the firearm that all others will eventually be based upon. I’m guiltily hoping that the final aspect will just be the plasma rifle from Doom but any kind of future weaponry would be kind of asynchronous. If any studio could make it work though it would be this one.
sullen valley
snrrrk
Imagine it be a reference to one of their older games/a teaser for an upcoming game.
tepid ridge
An aspect that fired homing shots would be cool too but the bow’s Chiron aspect kind of already covers that.
sullen valley
I was thinking it could be a gun with a different fire-rate pattern.
Something more than that, yeah, but so far that's all I can imagine.
...I keep forgetting that Zagreus doesn't punch with the Twin Fists, he claws with them.
earnest ravine
Y'know, like nya.
sullen valley
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earnest ravine
But it does help figure out where the hitbox will be after figuring that out, instead of it just being straight ahead.
sullen valley
I suppose...no but like,
His animation is like...so,
imagine you have Wolverine Claws, or sharp nails
Keep them pointed toward your "target," and quickly thrust your arms.
He ain't punching
He's stabbing very quickly
Like he doesn't seem to close his fingers at all.
earnest ravine
It fits with the design, too. Hard to imagine he'd NEED to with those things.
sullen valley
Where would you report bugs...without f10?
kind cloud
@sullen valley Report bugs in #h1-tech-support.
sullen valley
yay thank
kind cloud
Yep. You're welcome.
rancid egret
heyy I haven't played this game
in a long time- and I forgot how to fight ? I did check the controls but LMB
is def not the attack button for PC
kind cloud
maybe your controls were distorted? go into the game menu and check under settings/controls.
rancid egret
yeah I went to the controls
and it said... LMB
i just button mashed tell i figured it at though,lol thanks mate
kind cloud
so what button ended up being attack?
rancid egret
Q-
kind cloud
lolwat
kind cloud
zoom?
rancid egret
I feel like their was another action but I don't recall what it is right now
kind cloud
there's a zooming ability in the game?
rancid egret
space bar to speed run- ZOOM lol sorry
kind cloud
ah ok
rancid egret
I am miraculously still alive though I remember almost nothing lol
but im still on the first level so it probably doesn't mean much
kind cloud
when did you last play? and what heat (if any) are you playing on? finally, what weapon + aspect are you using?
kind cloud
yeah, i think that's what bituji was referring to
dense locust
For a second I thought they might be in the wrong discord lol
kind cloud
yeah, i was confused too and was thinking the same thing...
dense locust
@rancid egret try out a controller if you can, I find it much more intuitive
lament coral
I changed my mind, sword is definitely the worst weapon
kind cloud
lol
clear dome
swrod is good
kind cloud
i think it's largely matter of preference. for instance, excalibur with artemis is so damn good
but i can't do squat with bow on mid to high heat
rancid egret
Thantos ....idk why but something about him reminds me of an anime character
lament coral
I stick with Chiron
lament coral
as long as you get a special, you should be ok
rancid egret
i think its his mopey ness
lament coral
but the sword? Bloody rubbish
kind cloud
lol, naw man...sword was even better before it got nerfed
but excalibur tank build ftw!
i'm starting to think that 50+ heat is possible with excalibur tank
clear dome
zagreus speed build better
kind cloud
better than excalibur tank? i'm not sure about that
clear dome
well, i never build tank so idk
rancid egret
was their always a little boat of skulls in the 2nd level ?
gaunt jewel
the Poseidon Aspect brought me up to 16 heat and still going strong. Plus 50 % cast damage is huge
turbid needle
Honestly, if you're going for a tank build, Zag Fists with their built-in dodge chance is probably the way to go.
Yeah, the Barge of Death in Asphodel.
rancid egret
i haven't played in a L~o~n~g time
clear dome
the ship that transport you ?
rancid egret
the map is defiantly different
turbid needle
The fancy boat with the giant's spine is a new aesthetic, but murderboat has been in the game for a long time.
clear dome
pls use the correct word
turbid needle
They did.
rancid egret
no I just mean when you go from one room to another
turbid needle
Not the Bloodless miniboss, but the Asphodel-equivalent of the sliding doors in Tartarus and Elysium.
Yes, that's been in the game for a long time.
lament coral
I don't even know which pacts to take for 25 heat Arthur
marble ridge
health +200%
but attack-75%
and speed -75%
rancid egret
health 12 %
marble ridge
cool
rancid egret
some of my msg on discord weren't going through
sullen valley
So uh, where's my mashup of No Escape and God of the Dead? -_-
Oh yeesh, is that a problem everyone's having?
I just had to resend mine
rancid egret
testing agai
D:<
Nxy did not look the way, I expected her to lol
haven't not played in months I just saw the pictures and was like...who is this hot lady ? turns out its my mom yikes
kind cloud
*stepmom
"meg's mom has got it going on! meg, can't you see? your mom's the one for me. i know it might be wrong but i'm in love with megera's mom"
turbid needle
Than's mom.
turbid needle
Meg is "adopted".
kind cloud
oh
naive laurel
@dense locust yeah probably, I think 1.5‰ might be the number
kind cloud
well, nvm then
turbid needle
The Furies were born of Titan blood spilled in the Titanomachy.
kind cloud
i don't understand how the titans could be killed but we can't kill hades after smacking him around.
kind cloud
hmmm...i seem to distinctly remember a line about how hades (and his bros?!?!) massacred the titans, cut them into pieces, and scattered their dismembered parts (and ashes) across some plane.
kind cloud
lol, mythology is fooked up man
clear dome
according to the myths zeus just lockec titans into tartarus
weak rivet
In pieces
turbid needle
Why would you ignore the lore that's been stated in-game?
kind cloud
i remember being introduced to mythology in grade school and thinking these dudes and dudettes were a bunch of weirdos
clear dome
they were not weird
kind cloud
i'm confused about which one is now the official story
@turbid needle was that post to me or to shrewmouse?
because i thought my recollection was legit based on the game
clear dome
the gayme is wrong aaaaa
turbid needle
It's to anyone who reads something in a book or online and tries to use other histories or interpretations when they directly contradict the version that is Hades the game.
kind cloud
so the game (and SgG) is doing a Tarantino and doing their own interpretation of events?
like...i'm legit confused now...what is the in-game lore? the titans were cut up right and their ashes were scattered, right?
or is that the semi-accepted non-game story and hades (the game) is offering another story?
/and this is all probably in the wrong channel anyway
//yeah, on second thought it is
rancid egret
@kind cloud hey a mothers- is a mother even if the child is adopted*
and I finally see the spine people were talking about- that IS new as well lol
sullen valley
I don't understand this sentence.
rancid egret
well it's something ,someone said earlier
their a spine on the boat decorations that was not in an earlier version of the game
stiff flume
what do you folks try to build with the bow? i usually go chiron aspect and try to get the zeus special boon with lightning
but the damage always ends up pretty lacklustre
worldly sierra
So weird that In the faq they credit slay the spire with the chose your difficulty mechanic, when bastion had the gods, pyre had the constellations and I’m certain that transistor had something as well but can’t remember how it was presented in-world
In slay the spire you only increase difficulty with one dial, while supergiant games have 6 to 10 switches, and now hades a few dials along the switches
rancid egret
scroll back and read who i was talking to -if your that interested
sullen valley
I'm just trying to understand your sentence's grammar, I could probably figure out the context without scrolling, but I kinda want to understand the question first before I pull up answers I don't even know might be the right one.
dense locust
Doom chaos shield special is awesome, but it does take like 10 minutes to kill Theseus/Asterius with it
lament coral
eh, not really
if you get Merciful End, it's a piece of cake. Alternatively, you could aim for Doom boosting boons
focus on Theseus when you can't follow Asterius, like when he spins
also, I was wrong about the alternative Priv Stat talent
dense locust
sorry im just venting because my run had legs
sullen valley
oh
naive tusk
Double oh 
lament coral
@worldly sierra Pyre also had gods, akin to Bastion
Hades has the best difficulty options because you can tweak precisely the things that you wanna change
it's not just "everything is harder"
dense locust
What is the ideal 40 heat choices
lament coral
depends entirely on the weapon and aspect, there's no blanket answer
sullen valley
lol
dense locust
True, but there is little breathing room. I feel like I have the ideal heat for me but I swear approval process knows exactly what I desperately need and just loves to deny it
lament coral
and that's why I don't play ridiculous heat
dense locust
Yeah i think anything over about 35 or 36 and the RNG becomes way too big of a factor, unless you're just a god
clear dome
god mode cant save you on that heat
dense locust
well, it probably can, but I don't want that
clear dome
except when using wxcal tank
lament coral
I think sword and bow are already too RNG dependent
Hestia rail can hold its own but I don't like the playstyle at all
dense locust
Yeah those are for sure my weakest two weapons
Eris rail will forever be my favorite
lament coral
GY spear, Chaos shield, and Demeter fist are easy peasy
dense locust
Chaos shield with doom special and a lot of luck, I can see beating 40
clear dome
zag rail is good tho
dense locust
it is good
but I feel like it pigeonholes you a bit more, whereas eris is open to almost anything
lament coral
it's only "not bad" because Infinity was nerfed into Delta
Delta really doesn't feel right
dense locust
?
lament coral
there was a rail hammer called Infinity, it removed reloading with no drawbacks
dense locust
Oh
lament coral
which, as you might guess, made Zag's bonus obsolete
dense locust
And now they have the tri burst
lament coral
yep, and it's strictly worse than shooting a lot of bullets at once
dense locust
Well yeah but a hammer that just removed the need to reload is pretty damn strong
naive laurel
U kinda can manipulate dash to shoot 4 at once tho
sullen valley
How does Delta Chamber work with Hestia?
brisk copper
triple shot and you can reload at any time
lament coral
only 1 shot is buffed
sullen valley
Ah, neat.
Wait...
how do you get the buffed shot to trigger?
If you need to reload to trigger Hestia, how do you...
dense locust
You can reload any time
lament coral
you can still reload
brisk copper
you don't eveh have to shoot before reloading again
dense locust
Think of it like loading in a silver bullet
sullen valley
Neat
dense locust
man explosive upper is extremely good
glossy plaza
tfw you are sanic https://i.imgur.com/DmNsWC0.jpg
sly sonnet
There is no real way to tell I think
but time allowed goes up with enemy count for sure
stiff flume
and you also lose this bonus if you switch away from the keepsake, right?
sly sonnet
Yup
its like the butterfly
I dont like using it since it doesnt stack
Like hermes 25% and plume 30% is not 55%
it rolls 25% first if that fails
turbid needle
There's a visual indicator for how much time you have left on the hud right below the plume
stiff flume
any builds to beat 32 heat? farthest ive made is satyr tunnels with the zeus shield and zeus boon
but got destroyed in tunnels
exotic turtle
chaos shield with ares/athena is pretty consistent if you can get the ares/athena legendary boon
stiff flume
what does it do? 🤔
exotic turtle
the boon makes it so your attacks that deflect will also activate your doom effects instantly
stiff flume
ohhh
exotic turtle
so the damage is pretty nuts
stiff flume
so you'd first chose ares boon and later athena to try to get it?
exotic turtle
thats usually how i do it
lament coral
you take Ares special and Athena attack
stiff flume
sweet, gonna try that ty
exotic turtle
np man, lemme know how it goes!
stiff flume
what keepsakes do you take for the last zone? i usually just go with skelly
the extra life
exotic turtle
i usually use myrmidon unless i went for butterfly
stiff flume
hmmm i see
exotic turtle
skelly is a pretty safe bet though
stiff flume
and cpmanion also skelly?
exotic turtle
i like meg personally
stiff flume
i dont have that one yet 😩 i cant give her ambrosia yet for some reason
but no nectar either
exotic turtle
just keep talkin to her
dense locust
I'd recommend doing the boulder keepsake and keeping the healing reduction heat to 25% or less
stiff flume
boulder keepsake? 👀
by god
already 5 or 6 times no boons in the first zone
just darkness etc
so frustrating
exotic turtle
i decided to try a chaos shield ares athena run just cause and got ares special from start, athena attack 3rd room and merciful end on the 5th room 0-0
merciful end on the 7th room*
stiff flume
😂
i tried it too, got none of it
tho i need more blood anyway first to upgrade the chaos shield more before going for a real run, so i was just doing heat 6 or something, ez pz
rancid egret
eh~this isn't about hades, but this thread is active so :o...anyone mind helping with a different game question ?
its a tiny question ~
exotic turtle
go for it
rancid egret
cool
Im playing this mobile- turn based like game ? usual the only characters you get are all random but their is an event , and i get to choose !
So im thinking of updating my Tank , or getting a healer which I don't have ;d
the game has this system so sometimes you can borrow a healer from a friend, but now all the time.
stiff flume
w-well thats not really a question, and if people dont know how the game works
get the healer i guess
exotic turtle
typically, getting a healer would sort-of buff your tank by increasing the time he can tank attacks before dying
but without know how the healer works it could be different i suppose
rancid egret
im not sure how to explain it- the mobile game is called AFK arena. Its like a turn based game ?
most of the fighting is automatic...
exotic turtle
ummmm, if you cant target specific allies with the healer and your tank just isnt strong enough to be able to tank reliably, it might be better to just upgrade the tank
then try and get a healer next
but idk
lol
rancid egret
nah its fine- thanks for humoring me
its one of those mobile games where the characters you get are based of cards ? and the most I do is set them up, and enhance their armor ... its a fun way to pass the time but its not a complex game...im not sure how to explain it
once you have the characters you want to fight tank/healer/buffer/mage etc they characters do all the work
exotic turtle
have you seen how the healer priortizes their healing?
i mean, if your tank is aight, id get the healer
and if your tank isnt great, maybe also get the healer if the ai is able to keep up with keeping him alive
if not
go for a new/upgraded tank
rancid egret
yeah, the healer heals everyone periodical, it's pretty good
exotic turtle
hmmm, another question. does the tank actually pull aggro in this game or does he just have a big health pool?
rancid egret
im checking the healer///they seem to contentiously heal slowly but her defense are really bad lol, let me check the tank
aggro is pulling enemies away from characters ?
exotic turtle
its when he is the one gettin beat up before the other party members do
like he pulls the enemies attention to him so the squishier teamates dont get hit
rancid egret
yes~
rancid egret
im going to take a screenshot
rancid egret
okay
exotic turtle
as to not further pollute the hades server
pastel jolt
yyyyyeah in future if it's not directly pertaining to hades please take it to off-topic even if it seems quieter in there, @rancid egret
tall yarrow
Im trying with a controller for the first time... can I not attack in one direction while moving in another??
olive badge
stiff stone
ya it's really good
solid cairn
grand patrol
oooh can u link the tiermaker?
grand patrol
ty!!
grand patrol
grand patrol
omg perfect
solid cairn
not a big fan of the color palette for zag sword and shield
solid cairn
Big disagree on a lot of em
grand patrol
thats fair!!
i think chaos shield n zag malphon are my Favorite Favorites fashionwise rn..... big fan of eyes, big fan of oversized gloves, big fan of pink/purple
solid cairn
I like simple designs for the most part
Besides Zeus shield
Which is not simple at all
lament coral
At last, after 10000 years, all weapons are at 25 or higher
https://i.imgur.com/tk2p6JJ.png
turns out if you can't win with Nemesis or Arthur, you just need to highroll Poseidon
dapper pilot
Congrats!
snow merlin
My turn https://i.imgur.com/F9z5yXI.png
solid cairn
How dare you disrespect eris rail
kindred bolt
hey guys, i just beat 32 heat and i heard i unlock something, but i got nothing
am i missing something?
kindred bolt
i didn't even know there were statues at all, im gonna sound silly but can you elaborate please?
solid cairn
In the bottom right corner of the courtyard
snow merlin
In general, I don’t like this weapon, and Hestia Aspect does at least something fun with it.
snow merlin
I'll probably try right now.
solid cairn
Spread shot zag with Artemis attack is actually stupid
kindred bolt
oh thank you
i see them
i have never uncovered any of them
they have been covered all along! im not much of a cosmetics guy
solid cairn
Well guess I spoiled it for you
kindred bolt
i wouldn't have known in a 1000 years, so thank you
solid cairn
It’s supposed to be a letdown that it’s just skelly statues
kindred bolt
thank you for the help, i have been wondering how to get that prophecy
snow merlin
I tried eris rail one more time. It was as long and boring as in the past. Even sixty percent of the extra damage doesn't save this weapon with this stupid reload of the most uncomfortable attack and with useless bombs that fly for several years and cause only 60/96 damage.
turbid needle
I've got a 14-minute clear with Eris.
solid cairn
Big flex