I legit killed Alecto that way on my last run
#h1-builds-and-combat
subtle shale
hearty pilot
poseidon interferes with everything
earnest ravine
as he does
subtle shale
Poseidon either instantly kills the whole room or knocks everything dangerous straight into you
there is no in between
hearty pilot
i just want to get all the poseidon prophecy stuff and then i never want to see that man again
subtle shale
I like him, but I gotta be building for him
hearty pilot
thats a fair assessment
slate dove
Poseidon is fun in styx
radiant scarab
I'll try it after this run too, well done mate ❤️
ripe parrot
Dusa's Summon was really clutch come Elysium.
FB took all three of my DD's.
I'm triggered I didn't get the Vic screen lol
radiant scarab
you still did it in 32 minutes which is, wow...
ripe parrot
Yeah I got lucky on the hammers, especially the 300% damage to Armor one.
The Chambers weren't too bad.
Had the extra damage and crit on Thrust one too
formal basin
Feels like Hera should get readjusted to work with the ammo regeneration Mirror talent as well. Reducing drop time doesn't mean anything if you pick that talent.
hearty pilot
agreed
then again you also cant stack bloodstones with stygian soul without chaos or artemis so
formal basin
Yeah, but if I've got 1.5 second reload time and don't have to chase stuff down, I'd be okay with that.
I want the option more than anything really.
waxen furnace
what are y'alls favourite hera bow pairings?
unkempt pagoda
dio, especially with ice wine and/or scintillating
true shot is a close second, especially if you go down arty's cast boon route
waxen furnace
noted, thanks! was going to start with arte boon, but I may try dio, that seems like fun
I surprisingly liked ares cast the one time I happened upon it in a hera build
needed some extra support, but having a larger, tracking ares cast that actually started near enemies was quite nice
formal basin
If you can get hunting blades with Hera, it's actually amazing.
hearty pilot
alternatively: vicious cycle
formal basin
Also, don't count out Athena with the Zeus Duo. It's pretty good.
waxen furnace
I think I had a run with vicious cycle, hunting blades, engulfing vortex, and black metal. on hera bow. was a blast
oh my. athena special... I have only ever taken that once
oh I lied - vicious cycle is the one god boon I have yet to knock off the fated list!
gloomy vine
Lol so many feedback saying that rerolling boons sometimes gives them same boons. It's called rng, people.
waxen furnace
feedback doesn't need to be "this is bugged". feedback can be "this could be balanced, sure, but that doesn't mean I enjoy it and would like to see it changed"
that's entirely valid
hearty pilot
^
waxen furnace
this game is great imo because a lot of it feels great to play, even if it isn't always balanced
I'd love it if rerolls meant new boons each time, because it would make each reroll feel a lot more meaningful
primal cape
What’s your ideal build for arthur sword?
unkempt pagoda
hermes
gloomy vine
Why not just let the reroll let you choose a boon at that point? It's dumb. It's people not understanding rng. They want it to be less random to make it feel more random.
green birch
Hello gameplay I come to you seeking advice
waxen furnace
you're entitled to think it works fine as is! others want it different. nothing wrong there
green birch
What is the best way to do a moneyrun
unkempt pagoda
@primal cape but i do like arty on attack
hmm i’ve not really tried to do a money run
i’m thinking golden touch, purse, try to pick up poseidon and as much chaos as i can
waxen furnace
you're making a decent amount of assumption there, though @gloomy vine. I would love to see it changed not to make it feel more random - I understand it's working as intended. I'd just like it if rerolls felt better to use. Even if it meant that, say, key rooms wouldn't drop extra rerolls anymore (to tweak balance in the other direction).
unkempt pagoda
rerolls for turning rooms into gold
green birch
rn all I'm sure of is compounding money mirror aspect and cthonic coinpurse
waxen furnace
@green birch I'd definitely pick the new gold boon. I think going Poseidon would be your best bet, given the gold room boon.
green birch
oh room rerolls are a good call
yeah I was thinkin Poseidon and Chaos Egg are a Must
unkempt pagoda
getting one or two chaos gold boons would be the best as well
high rarity and duo/legendary boons also sell like crazy
waxen furnace
I'd suggest fated persuasion - I'd think you'd care more about getting a chaos gold boon than a few room rerolls
green birch
oh hm that's a fair point too
green birch
ofc ofc ofc
unkempt pagoda
eh, i think it’s be easier and more consistent to change gold laurels into gold rooms instead of trying to fish for chaos
green birch
room rerolls are a bit more consistent yeah
waxen furnace
a gold boon early nets you way, way more than the ~200-300 gold from a few extra gold rooms, though
green birch
a heart and pom against each other will usually yield coin
ripe parrot
You'll get a Boon from a Heart/Pom/Coin within at most 3 rerolls.
unkempt pagoda
chaos doesn’t guarantee a gold boon, even with persuasion, and there’s fewer of those
rancid shore
chaos might even make you stop gaining gold
waxen furnace
especially if you're running bouldy. I don't see it in the notes, but the nerf to bouldy gold gen did come with a change - gold boons now buff bouldy drops I believe
unkempt pagoda
i’d also build up poseidon for his +gold boon and multiple sunken treasures
get second wave and sell it immediately :V
waxen furnace
I guess with the new gold mirror talent, 1500 is relatively achievable in many runs without gimping yourself
pre-patch, that wasn't always the case - in which case I'd totally take a higher chance at a gold boon over 200-300 gold
but since those extra few hundred do get multiplied by the new mirror talent, I see how that could be better
mighty ermine
you mean the order that the duos are listed in this image? probably arbitrary
or do you mean the prereqs
rancid shore
It's the same as the wiki, which is alphabetical
rancid shore
by name
waxen furnace
it's mostly aphabetical
waxen furnace
I started from the bottom, dem threw me off
mighty ermine
yeah
waxen furnace
I wonder what the best version of this would be, in terms of readability
waxen furnace
I like peach's album, as it's the best as a straight reference, but it does mean scrolling
hearty pilot
hmm honestly i feel like it should just be sorted by god into separate charts entirely
mighty ermine
probably the duo prereqs also including the names, since a lot of boons aside from the iconic attack and special visuals can blend together pretty easily and get confusing without names
waxen furnace
@hearty pilot do you mean like the above? ^
hearty pilot
yeah
waxen furnace
I think my main justification of duo lookup is "what duos did this god I'm already running have with others again?" which the table format I linked is great for
mighty ermine
i've gotten into the habit of just checking the god's wiki page real quick, which now seems to mostly include those tables
waxen furnace
it is a bit cumbersome, is the tradeoff
slate dove
So to get scintillating feast, high tolerance is required?
mighty ermine
oh nevermind
i was thinking of trippy shot itself lol
yeah just get that and then high tolerance is all
slate dove
Good to know. I think it's the last duo I need for the prophecy
mighty ermine
it was mine too! only just recently bothered to get it
most of the others happened organically; had to specifically run for feast
slate dove
The second last one needed was curse of longing
I just got it a couple of runs ago
I think I've done more than 80 runs now
tired pivot
It's really dumb that if a group of armored enemies with the shielding buff from Pact cluster together then they're just stacking 5 shields each whenever the shield procs. Facing laser crystals on a stage with lava at the center with glove there's nothing I can really do except just take a bunch of damage as I try to kil them
mighty ermine
@silver seal that makes me really hope there's a run clear title related to just... having an absolutely ridiculous amount of hp
ashen grail
does entering a chaos room advance the room counter?
earnest ravine
Yup.
kind cloud
@subtle shale yeah, the thrust/piercing attacks from spears in elysium and thrust from hades are annoying. the only thing that seems to negate those attacks are athena's deflect.
waxen furnace
fifteen runs, still no excal. howwww
quiet arrow
does anyone else feel like quake cutter is too slow? i took it to complete a prophecy while i was running like 16 heat and i found myself dashing before i had the chance to land and make use of it 🤔 then again, i did also take forced overtime so that mightve been it
rancid shore
Idk if they've changed it since the first day, but I had a similar experience
I literally never take it now because of how bad it was the first time
mighty ermine
@waxen furnace that's about as long as it took me to get it. endless backlogged nyx content before she finally got to excalibur 😔
waxen furnace
I love the new dialogue, I’d just enjoy it way more if I wasn’t mildly bummed each time it wasn’t the new toy!
mighty ermine
definitely, i enjoy it but maybe the event with the most meat gameplay-wise should have priority
rigid apex
sorry if this is a dumb question -- is there a way to trigger the first opportunity to give Meg a nectar? i'm 23 runs in with 1 clear, but the few times she's around the house of hades, i can talk to her but not give her a nectar.
calm ember
Man it was so long ago when I gave her the first one. That was back when they were still called Ambrosia. So I don't know if they changed anything.
But the first time she showed up in the house with me she was standing in the lounge and I had the option to give her the Ambrosia/Nectar.
So you don't have her keepsake yet?
It's the Skull Earring
silver seal
@mighty ermine i had Triathlete that run
not sure if it's related to hp
my other run with 500+ didnt have it
earnest ravine
That's for ||three runs in a row||, not HP.
mighty ermine
@silver seal i think the -athlete suffix titles are just for win streaks or victories
silver seal
i see
mighty ermine
i'd gotten decathlete for a 10 streak at one point
calm ember
when do you get your first prize from Skelly for clearing with heat?
silver seal
guess if u go for a full hp run with some chaos boons u can get 700+
calm ember
I've cleared with a couple heat a couple times now and no prize.
mighty ermine
i think it might be 8; i got the statues back when heat numbers were scaled much higher and differently
i think it's 8, 16 and 32 now
rancid shore
it is 8 16 32 now
livid dew
Which god do you guys like to use for the bow n arrow with the heat seaking special
acoustic nova
i've found that the correct way to deal with Theseus is to drop Bouldy on his head
it's just so satisying
acoustic nova
it's a joke :V
calm ember
sorry..lol
acoustic nova
but when he's almost dead. BAM! rock on head
acoustic nova
yeah, it's nothing serious and it's no build really
but I keep bouldy as a companion, and usually have one use reserved per boss fight for the health
but if it's going well, especially with Theseus, I use it to kill him. last hit
"damned rock!"
kind cloud
The new vermin mini-boss in styx is dumb. Flat, stupid, dumb.
calm ember
I mean if you build with Poseidon bonus dmg to wall smashing and Rupture plus trap dmg, and rock dmg
It could work.
Yes!
I hate that little dude.
acoustic nova
haven't had the new styx thing yet
calm ember
He has way too much health.
acoustic nova
and I've had at least 10 runs since patch
calm ember
and no health bar
kind cloud
It moves much faster than most weapons. A weapon like Guan Yu ha little to no chance against that tiny thing that moves faster than most weapons fire. I lost 2 death defiances in there.
calm ember
so you can't tell how close you are to winning
kind cloud
What was wrong with the purple laser-firing stone? That worked just like the hades fight so it was good prep. The new tiny vermin mini-boss is nothing like anything in hades.
kind cloud
It does around 30 damage with each bite. And guan yu's spin is very ineffective.
mighty ermine
around 15-20 full runs into the new update and i still haven't seen the tiny vermin miniboss
kind cloud
I even had 200% athena deflect on guan yu with charged skewer and hermes epic special speed boon.
calm ember
In about 20 runs
acoustic nova
huh
anyway, I also think the new weapons are a bit too strong? Had a few runs with fists, excalibur. Then I went back to the spear and it was a huge difference
kind cloud
And the vermin also has this crater attack (green hue) when it either launches up from the ground or dig into the ground that does some more damage. I didn't catch how much.
mighty ermine
can it still show up with middle management active? since that doubles the styx minibosses for those rooms
kind cloud
I didn't have middle management turned on.
calm ember
I think Guan Yu isn't worth it
mighty ermine
i only had a couple runs where it was off
calm ember
The health loss is just too stupid.
acoustic nova
like excalibur you can do 1k+++ crit without even trying, fists just melt everything in sight
kind cloud
Since the new patch, I haven't gotten the purple bloodstone a single time. It's always been the tiny vermin and i've had enough it. When this tiny terror is tougher than a 2 stage hades boss fight, it's...uh...time to reconsider.
calm ember
It wouldn' t be so bad if it didn't also take 70% health added as well
mighty ermine
guan yu is fantastic. just takes getting used to and finding your own comfortable pattern with it
kind cloud
guan yu has to be played at a distance against hades imo
relying on spin attack to win against hades will get your killed
acoustic nova
you just spam charged attack
kind cloud
i know.
i just tried it
yeah, charged skewer is a must for guan yu
and hermes special speed increase is also necessary for rapid fire
mighty ermine
i hardly use the spin with guan yu, personally. mostly special and dash weaving. i gun for charged special to make them hit especially hard
kind cloud
yeah
but that tiny vermin destroyed 2 death defiances and then hades started off by spamming his spin attack like the clown that he is so...i had to play defensive
acoustic nova
just finished a run with fists talos aspect. Standard zeus/poseidon build. I think I beat the boss in 40 seconds
kind cloud
didn't work. then then started spamming his stone things
calm ember
I wanted to love it so much but for whatever reason it is not working with my playstyle. I am getting stomped everytime I try it. I also not having much luck with Fist. They're better than Guan Yu but it's meh to me personally. I still don't have Excalibur for some reason even though I've upgraded aspect. The conversation with Nyx won't trigger for some reason.
kind cloud
yeah,guan yu is hit or miss for me
acoustic nova
I'm a Hades Aspect fan :V
mighty ermine
fist just depends on which aspect gels with your playstyle most and your boon choice
kind cloud
i'm a melee style player so chaos shield is and always will be my favorite weapon in the game.
acoustic nova
even though it's really not the best
mighty ermine
had a 16 minute run with fists on medium heat earlier today
remote rain
wait fist of malphon are op I just got my best time with them first try lmfao
mighty ermine
full artemis; was ridiculous
calm ember
Shield is my jam personally
acoustic nova
lol haven't even tried full artemis. I can feel the OP overtaking me just thinking about it
mighty ermine
remote rain
I just did athena+artemis
acoustic nova
excalibur is very fun also
you feel like in a zombie movie
put damage reduction on the ground with whatever -dmg boons you have, the hp/hit if you can swing it
and bam
and demeter lol
excalibur running with demeter boons is funny
doesn't matter if it swings slowly, if everyone is slower than you!
mighty ermine
@kind cloud are you implying in your recent feedback that purple snakestone is gone? cause it's still around!
fought one earlier today
kind cloud
i've done 7 or 8 runs so far since new update and all have been against the tiny vermin followed by lots of crony rats. so i assumed it was gone. if you're still seeing it then it must not be gone.
mighty ermine
yeah i've seen all of the usual styx minibosses still around since the update
of course, the horrible tiny vermin eludes me
mighty ermine
sure thing
modern whale
what does the title perfect clear mean?
gentle palm
I really dislike the inconsistencies with the new twin fists special hammer upgrade that's supposed to turn your special into a dash. It only works like half the time, sometimes it feels like it has an internal cooldown, othertimes I can spam it and it works nonstop. And then again sometimes it just refuses to dash.
earnest ravine
Grats!
mighty ermine
@modern whale either clearing the final boss without getting hit (acorn keepsake is fair game), or healing off any damage taken during the fight to be where it was or higher than when you started the fight
@silver seal noticing rocket bomb and inescapable blast in your build at once, which is interesting. since rocket bomb just has a trajectory and not a target circle area before it lands, does inescapable blast even still work?
silver seal
im not even sure, considering the rocket is so fast it wasn't easy to notice it
mighty ermine
yeah, that's definitely a weird combo that i hadn't seen or considered before
quiet arrow
finally encountered the tiny vermin....had forced overtime on too
analog lodge
My most OP build so far, shreds entire phases of hades HP, if it weren't for sack RNG this would be a new record for me
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2023903097
Artemis+Athena is OP
silver seal
oh damn my first chaos fish
mighty ermine
i was just thinking about how i've had dozens of runs since fishing was introduced and haven't once found a fishing spot in the void
😔
analog lodge
I am starting to realize that Athena is just OP in general, a consistent double damage buff that counts towards privileged status and doesn't require a attack slot - it is just a recipe for a lot of damage
modern whale
@mighty ermine That would make sense was leveling the acorn but died many times before hades. Also the spawn rate is super low for chaos despite taking every chaos gate only had it appear once
analog lodge
It would certainly help if the Hades wiki was updated to include Poseidons new legendary and its boon progression
It is the difference between 2% void fish and 22% void fish
mighty ermine
the chamber cooldown between fishing spots really kills it. fished a couple chambers ago and just found a chaos gate? no chaos fish for you
naive tusk
I plan on updating the boon trees once the changes are stable
I ask some patience, the update has been out just this week 😅
rancid shore
don't forget that new icon they added
naive tusk
It’d help if it was uploaded to the wiki
If not, I guess I can screenshot it myself next time I see it
(I’m still wondering if anyone has noticed that Dionysus’ core boons are actually Poseidon’s edited to purple)
mighty ermine
with little unique flourishes on say, attack, specific to each god i.e. thunder for zeus, water for poseidon
it's neat
rancid shore
Peach means specifically on that flowchart they made
They're not actually Dio's icons
mighty ermine
yeah, especially with the unique details how they are ingame
analog lodge
Ah, I see, he did that to save time copying every other boon
naive tusk
Nono, only for Dionysus’ chart since the wiki was lacking his boon art. I used the original boon art for the other gods hehe
If you notice, you will see each dash has a slight difference, like Aphrodite’s with a heart, Zeus’ with lightnings, etc
analog lodge
So the boon art was added to the wiki AFTER you did the chart, that explains it
naive tusk
Ooh, if they added new art, I can easily plop them onto the chart
Demeter’s Aid was missing as well but that one I just needed to recolor any Aid to light blue
mighty ermine
yeah the new art is there pretty sure
including demeter's aid and so on! https://gamepedia.cursecdn.com/hades_gamepedia_en/3/35/Demeter's_Aid.png?version=7b8baed2abcb7b6289e65e05aa378508
calm ember
Which is better Greatest Reflex or Drift Dash?
naive tusk
Wooo I will have to take a peek. Thanks for the heads up 
calm ember
+3 Dashes or 100% movement speed for .9 seconds after dash?
naive tusk
I'd definitely take +3 dashes anytime
slate dove
Either way, the result is GAS GAS GAS
calm ember
That what I thought. I've always kind of thought the Drift Dash was a bit too short to justify the Boon.
But maybe I'm cray
earnest compass
does something replace the hermes legendary if you have the new cast regen?
naive tusk
Yes, he offers Bad News
earnest compass
what does it do?
naive tusk
Which makes it so you deal +50% cast damage if there's no bloodstone lodged on the enemy
earnest compass
ah
naive tusk
If memory serves me well
calm ember
You wanna hear something stupid? I had no idea that there had been an entire second page of Perks on the Mirror added until yesterday. I don't know how it ever slipped past me. I only realized it after perusing through the Minor Prophecies book on the desk and saw the one where you had to escape with all of the perks at least once and every other perk wasn't selected. I was like "What the F*** there are other mirror perks?" When did they add those?
earnest ravine
It was only added last week, so no worries!
calm ember
Ah so I'm not that stupid then. That makes sense.
I have been playing this game since around beginning of last year and I thought I had missed it all this time.
earnest ravine
Like, literally last Tuesday. Now you've got a whole bunch of new toys to play with, then!
obtuse tapir
Is it true that we're seeing at most four gods (except Hermes) in one run?
atomic panther
Without the use of Olympian keepsakes, I think so
wicked hull
yes, unless you use a keepsake to force an additional god (who gives you one boon and nothing else)
obtuse tapir
I hope the game informs us of this
atomic panther
I don't think the new god is limited to one boon
obtuse tapir
later when we get access to fated authority
it's possible that we reroll boons endlessly for a god that doesn't show up in the run
okay, thanks anyway!
obsidian abyss
It is just me or is new hammer for the gun really strong with Erie aspect. Like, needs a nerf strong
rancid shore
new hammer?
thorny edge
they reworked shotgun i think
naive tusk
I think they meant the modification to Spread Fire
small gorge
with this early legendary + Serrated Edge you can make theseus and the minotaur rematch the history fight
https://imgur.com/a/ddUMClK
inland pebble
now kiss meme intensifies 😈😈
small gorge
legenddddddd
modern whale
exalted great shield plus tight deadline makes for a really awful experience.
small gorge
and once again proof for how op the shield is
inland pebble
Now add Shifter Bruiser to that mix
Would spend like more than 2 mins just to track them down, longer if you don't have any aoe dmg
modern whale
Ive been trying to complete my first 32 heats and they have been the biggest hinderance.
Everytime they get to be elite with teloport or extra health :/
small gorge
tight deadline nightmare: teleport
wild fiber
about to do a fist run, trying to get my first win with it
any tips for boons on it?
Using Demeter Fists rn
naive tusk
Deadly Flourish is nice
wild fiber
any good aspects for the attack/special?
naive tusk
If you get Heart Rend, even better
unkempt pagoda
athena attack + rolling strike is a constant stream of defense
naive tusk
Demeter's Aspect is good for the Special
wild fiber
hmm ok
what about Guan Yu btw? Gonna try my first run with that as well
only have the 1st level on it lol, but I want to get Excalibur
unkempt pagoda
i'd recommend leveling up guan yu a bit, the hp loss can be really detrimental
but it is really strong
Quick Spin + Massive Spin or QS + Charged Skewer are my two favorite builds
frail nymph
Anyone know how to regain that fishing boon Poseidon gifts you once? Haven't seen it again
small gorge
it only happen once
prime knoll
I've encountered it beyond then. I've seen mention that it's just a random chance like any other boon- not dependent on having any other Poseidon boons.
frail nymph
Okay then. Maybe the new Mirror of Night thing where you get increased legendary chance would help
kind cloud
I thought it was just a few people but it seems even haelian is experiencing major frame drops and lagging whenever he uses the twin fists.
kind cloud
To my eyes, it's definitely a framedrop. I'm playing on a gaming computer optimized for racing simulations (Asetto Corsa) and it has great graphics cards. And my computer starting lagging like crazy whenever I use twin fists.
This is the haelian stream I was referring to. Just watch the hades fight. The frame drop and lag are obvious.
For me, it doesn't become annoying until I get to the first boss fight in tartarus. It becomes frustrating starting in asphodel.
hushed ledge
Is the way the fists hammer upgrade where you can charge the special interacts with holding a different direction on the keyboard intentional?
Because it's really odd
(also really weird interaction with dashing out of the charge)
rancid peak
I don't know where the right place to comment on this is, but. I find it very annoying that attacks don't go through the knee-height walls of Tartarus. They clearly aren't tall enough to be blocking your attacks.
kind cloud
@rancid peak you're not alone in having that frustration.
civic barn
the framedrop issue you guys are talking about is I think an issue with the rush kick upgrade; because the upgrade itself has a certain level of tracking i think it has issues when the target unit is a certain distance away. I've experienced it almost as if the game jumped in time for a quarter of a second but it was noticeable, yeah.
never had it when i don't have that upgrade so that's why I'm thinking that's the case
sacred idol
@limber cipher It's actually a specific moment in the shot, not anytime after a certain point, so it would need to be a static arrow with a red line.
limber cipher
i dont follow
ashen grail
Lol I can’t beat a level 50 heat run even with the infinite casts bug
sacred idol
The bonus damage on Power Shot requires exact timing.
It's not "everything past this level = power shot damage"
so making the whole part after the perfect shot red would be misleading
limber cipher
oh, i said sniper shot. like the hammer upgrade
sacred idol
Oh wait
What hammer is this?
Oh, the long range one
Yeah, okay, that's fair
my bad
limber cipher
np lol
dense locust
What’s the infinite casts bug
sacred idol
I want an infinite cats bug.
ashen grail
It’s a bug that lets you get infinite casts
dense locust
Infinite cats may sound good in theory, but you be destroyed by the infinite mass
limber cipher
cat black hole
ashen grail
Now clean the infinite litterbox
dense locust
Black hole x infinity
If you had infinite cats, somewhere in that gorey mess would be a series of cat teeth that were arranged in such a way as to spell out all of Hamlet
hushed ledge
Assuming that is possible at all
surreal oracle
Mmmm, went to try the bow again and just as I expected: I still dislike it!
dense locust
Flurry shot chain shot is fun with Chiron
turbid needle
for infinite casts and dashes ||set your mirror to greater reflex and infernal soul then set Routine Inspection to rank 3||
hushed ledge
I enjoy bow because it forces you to commit but from a safe distance
Although it's definitely very annoying to use vs shieldbois
dense locust
That method for the bug reminds me of cheats from oldschool games
I’d like a hammer for bow that makes a dash special instant
But probably reduced damage
hushed ledge
Bow special just feels so wonky to me
Enemies just slip through the cracks constantly
hushed ledge
Pinned in #h1-story-discussion
slender kettle
Thanks
lucid umbra
does aphrodite's cast stick in enemies? haven't tried it yet
clear dome
nope
vagrant marten
yeah it does
vagrant marten
And sometimes, just a punch kills them?
vagrant marten
You should F10 and tell devs about it, sounds funny lol
west wren
i got a friend that also happens with arthur sword
vagrant marten
Never had that. Haven't tried Arthur yet tho
Just out of curiosity, what aspect do you use on Malphon?
dense locust
I've been really enjoying the demeter mittens with ares attack, athena dash, and either artems or aphro special, and ideally athena call, but it requires merciful end. The bread and butter is dash attacking so it insta activates doom (so extra dashes and impending doom if you're lucky), but you just melt enemies
Almost all my runs with them has been some sort of hybrid build where everything contributes to damage
harsh hull
I use the talos aspect for cast builds
harsh hull
I just had my clutchest game yet
dense locust
I had quite a few ares cast builds with demeter though using the new stygian cast, and the demeter special is always relevant for damage
Did you win with sub 10 health?
One of those games where one hit can kill you for like 20 seconds
?
harsh hull
Yeah with 10s left on 32 heat
dense locust
oh god
I had a clutch moment as far as time doing 32 on Theseus. The clock actually hit 0 and it gave me like 3 extra seconds
and I killed him and it let me progress, but I had been so overly aggressive trying to desperately kill him that I got wrecked in styx
dense locust
I don't like timed 32 runs
no I lost 2 lives to theseus
It was honestly an unlucky run
But I had managed to push it farther than it deserved
harsh hull
Ahh yes. I have had so many runs where the cancelled choices are legendary boons
dense locust
Yeah I've been trying to avoid that heat for that reason
I kinda don't like the aspect of increasing the rng as a way to increase diffuculty, but it is what it is
Too much to love about the game to really care about things like that
harsh hull
True
leaden pine
There's nothing that compels you to keep adding heat
You can buy and trade for all the resources you need to unlock everything
harsh hull
there are the statues as a "prize" for beating certain heats
i think i found a bug
i got charged skewer with guan yu and artemis special
then as soon as i got armor breaker, the range just went crazy
like the whole room crazy
dense locust
Sounds like standard guan yu shenanigans /s
@leaden pine Beating heats would likely be faster, and it's fun to be able to still win despite everything being way harder than when you first started out
I shouldn't say likely. It is faster
?
small gorge
i just need 1 duo boon
and they give me
nothinggggggg
not a single relative
hera bow aiming for Smoothie Hades but
butttt
at last
nothing ralative
dense locust
Dems the ropes, sorry to hear it
small gorge
i thought iam gonna get some arte or ares at last
but oh noooo
nothing
absolute nothing
dense locust
This Zag aspect twin fist run on early Hell mode was so fun. I felt like a super saiyan flying between enemies and constantly punch, special, punch special, punch special: https://imgur.com/3zCcDjy
The special being epic athena to activate merciful end
kind cloud
is there a stream of the infinite casts bug? like a player on twitch or youtube gaming doing it on high heat?
turbid needle
for maximum fun, use hera bow 🙂
dense locust
Infinite dash attacks with the sword.... it's like you're a car just running everything over
turbid needle
hmm.. how did you make it into -2 casts ?
dense locust
for infinite casts and dashes ||set your mirror to greater reflex and infernal soul then set Routine Inspection to rank 3||
to quote Booben
Pretty silly with ares dash
turbid needle
can I get this as an additional mode?
I would love this even on 40 heat lol
the real final boss https://imgur.com/dOj6XM7
dense locust
Yeah tbh its a lot of fun. Having custom modes would be awesome
turbid needle
I mean, there is lots of fun in breaking game... that's part of the charm of the roguelikes in a way
dense locust
Dire misfortune
earnest ravine
The one that makes Poseidon give random loot
tropic wyvern
if I already have an Ares boon i think i would probably still take Dire Misfortune over Sure Footed
Sunken Treasure is a bad choice but sometimes it can be just what you need, with the healing and the extra gold to push you over the line
earnest ravine
Sure Footed is nice if you have the trap damage Heat option on. Saves your bacon against the final boss sometimes.
earnest ravine
The urns and stuff count as trap damage, yeah.
It's why they can do 150 damage on that setting
tropic wyvern
I never knew, now it makes sense
dense locust
What is surefooted
tropic wyvern
surefooted is -75% trap damage
earnest ravine
-trap damage. Epic is like 90%.
earnest ravine
Thesus bombs under EM do, too
tropic wyvern
all this time iwas taking the trap damage Heat as a newbie because "lol free heat"
earnest ravine
So does lava and I think Saytyr poison
dense locust
I had +400% traps and +392% from chaso
tropic wyvern
turns out the moment I stop
dense locust
chaos
tropic wyvern
I start regularly beating the final boss
earnest ravine
Surprise!
tropic wyvern
rank 1 of Tight Deadline is probably the free-est heat though I've genuinely had a bad run where I timed out at the end of elysium
dense locust
but with -90%, all traps start doing laughable damage
I dislike tight deadline on 32 heat because a lot of builds I've had are viable but have to be played slow
But if I take off jury summons, maybe
summer linden
rank one of tight deadline isn't that bad but I still hate it I just feel the pressure too hard when there's a timer
earnest ravine
I like Dire Misfortune because it keeps Privelaged going for longer so I don't have to keep applying it.
The bonus damage is nice, too, though.
dense locust
I just never taken it and saw an impact from it whatsover
tropic wyvern
is it Demeter + Ares that has the instapop Doom duo?
dense locust
merciful end is the duo
one of my favorite builds
how do you instapop hades with it though?
oh nvm
thats not what you said lol
tropic wyvern
hmm. if you're up to the last boss and it's not a clear win, what's the best trinket to grab at the end?
i've been tossing up between Tooth and the Acorn
frosty pier
Weapon?
tropic wyvern
in this case I guess the answer is spear since that's what my heat is lowest with
frosty pier
hm, I dunno, probably Broken Spear
It's crazy usefull in Styx, and not getting full-combo-d by the 2nd phase and Lasers is nice.
tropic wyvern
while I'm spearchatting, is it just me or does the hades-spear really need the spin-charge hammer to feel fun
frosty pier
Do you charge it all the way?
tropic wyvern
that's the thing, I feel like there's often not enough time when things are really hectic
or in any boss fight besides hydra
frosty pier
I'm usually make them small with barely any holding, just to apply the effect.
hushed ledge
i really struggle to use spin attack at all
tropic wyvern
i forget it exists a lot when i use spear
especially when i often take the spear jab hammer which makes it not exist anyway
dense locust
If you plan on using spin attack, you kinda can't use forced over time
frosty pier
Casts are great, Fiery presence is good if you have Hestia rail
turbid needle
Fiery Presence seems fine, Dark regeneration seems fine, Stubborn Defiance is ... meh kinda, Ruthless Reflex seems like win more ability but it really feels weak when push comes to shove, Abyssal Blood seems like good thing on the higher heats? but in the end that buff damage from boiling seems superior
Golden Touch could use a lot of love given that even if you keep at that 500 gold or something through entire run you gain at best 225 gold through 3 areas and you need to keep that gold mark... might be annoying to do so and doesn't really bring you a lot compared to starting 100 gold
High Confidence feels like good buff, but you need to keep at nearly full health, Family favourite vs privileged... now this is kinda interesing one
Privileged will always be better if you can get it, but in case if you go for like Athena + Artemis build or high dps non-status build Favorite is better
strong flame
thanks for the detailed response, that's exactly what i wanted to hear
how about the last three
turbid needle
Olympian Legacy - Trash, Gods Chosen - possibly also trash, Fated Persuasion - could be better than Fated Authority, but if you do so... you lack the ability to "control the run" as well as with the Authority
more chance to get duo or legendary isn't big of a deal if you get all common boons which are kinda super weak compared to epics or rares
strong flame
yeah that's what i thought
turbid needle
it can be decent combo with fated persuasion
strong flame
well if you go dio posi duo it kinda works out, of course you might be a lot weaker in the beginning then
turbid needle
athena + ares is probably game strongest duo
iron shale
2 boon keepsakes then moeny then tooth
turbid needle
I usually start depending on natural boon start
if it doesn't go well change to god keepsake, money, another god keepsake , bone hourglass to end the run because well... bone hourglass feels broken
if u can stack the multipliers from the well of charon you can get lots of damage/sustain for relatively cheap money
turbid needle
works even on 32 heat, at least from what I remember
iron shale
hmm which mitts do i take for athena ares
dense locust
I just have to say, if you play with the cast/dash bug and get epic flurry cast, you can dash cast and its very silly and fun. I recommend demeter cast
I tend to always go demeter
But zag wouldn't be bad
keen carbon
anyone got some tips for me on the rail? i just can't manage to complete a run with it
frosty pier
Well you can go for attack builds with Zeus/Dio/Ares
With Zeus there is a couple variants - You can go for his attack aiming to get a legendary for some extra ompf, with Support fire from Artemis.
Or you can go Poseidon's attack with Zeus's...something aiming for a Sea storm Duo with Jolted+Ripture for extra spice.
Special is viable to make build around if you get the triple-special hammer.
strong flame
just tried the 15% legendary duo boon talent
and i still didn't get the duo
while i could've gotten way more rares
would've made the run a lot better
not a big fan
kind cloud
@turbid needle Thanks for sharing that video of the infinite casts. It's hilarious but also mesmerizing. He was spamming like a maniac (as he should!) and the action was just eye-wateringly messy but also mesmerizing.
40+ heat! HERE I COME!
endless artemis cast is about to be unreal. you don't even have to wait for her legendary. just start spamming. hope for secondary cast and max out those 2 things. and it seems like either athena's dash deflect or poseidon's dash with razor shoals plus typhoon should give everything i need.
fiery silo
Zagreus seems slower than before.
One of the strong point of the game was the vivacity, the quick moves of Zagreus eve in his normal state
Yet, after the last update it feels like he is moving slower
Then, today I tried a run and through Asphodel, mid-boss Gorgon + Smasher (No Extreme Measures activated), equipped with Excalibur, I could not escape the smasher zone of impact...It is a basic move, very easy, but time, it was like Zagreus got stuck and couldn't move as fast.
Does the Arthur aspect of the Stygian blade have a slowdown effect on Zagreus?
iron shale
are you using the 2 dash ?
fiery silo
That is another issue with that update, the Hermes boons are very few as well
iron shale
i've been getting the same count of hermes boons
fiery silo
@iron shale With the Smasher (not its real name), if not Extreme Measures activated, a single dash is enough usually to get out the impact zone with a good timing. But there, even a second dash doesn't give time to escape.
To be sincere, I got much more rubbish runs since the update.
hushed ledge
I feel like zag has never felt faster than now except maybe when triple dash was base
He definitely isn't slower out of nowhere
turbid needle
Arthur sword is a slow as hell weapon though
hushed ledge
Are you using the green talents instead of the rarity boost?
turbid needle
using green talents? some of them are pretty good but the rarity boost is just... too good to consider
fiery silo
To the point, I had to restart playing with Malphon with only few Heats activated.
Oh yes, full green Mirror
turbid needle
oh yeah... playing the Arthur with Ruthless Dash? doesn't feel like great idea for me
fiery silo
Yes, the classic Mirror about the boons rarity and quality gives better outcome for me.
hushed ledge
Green mirror doesn't have rarity boons so runs are gonna feel trash
fiery silo
That is maybe my mistake then @turbid needle
turbid needle
but holy... arthur sword is just way too slow
fiery silo
You can modify the probability for upgrades and duo or legendary but after few runs, it was ridiculous. It was worse than a normal run for me
@turbid needle with the smasher, it was a nightmare for me just to have window of hit...between getting gutted while trying to dash out the impact zone and coming back to Excalibur the rock...
turbid needle
well at least I can do Q-> Dash Cancel
the worst part about the sword however...
your hits are heavy and sluggish but you don't even have any "superarmor" to at least keep hitting
fiery silo
I just feel differently now when I play. Something feels off with the game. I can't exactly point out what or why.
Maybe I am just too old for this
iron shale
swap back to the other mirror
turbid needle
keep it clean in here please 🙏
crisp iris
I;ve a feeling that the dmg for fists are slightly overtuned?
not sure why but they seem to do A LOT
also they're very, very good into bosses I fel like
fiery silo
@vast helm Sorry. Pardon my French
turbid needle
dunno, they feel fine to me... they're not exactly strong to be honest
fiery silo
I like Malphon but with Hades not being a brawler, some fights feel even more lacking visibility...Cough, Elysium!
But doing a nice Shoryuken in the face of an enemy is fun 🙂
dense locust
Was trying to 50 heat with the cast/dash bug but your boons are so nerfed and the heats are so intense at that point that its actually challenging
iron shale
i like the mittens a lot my favorite weapon right now
trail meteor
how sword transformation look
zagreus form- standatt form- nothing special
nemesis form- ok but not special
posejdon form- meh
arthur form -WHAT THE F*UCk IS THIS (its look and is so powerfull)
noramll autoattaqck-300
becosue why not
plus dmg reduction
turbid needle
@trail meteor it's also slow as all hell
trail meteor
and? its not weapon for fast movement, you aremore like turret (another wise why dmg reduction?)-second i say compared to rest form is strong
secondary, its not exacly slow but had strange using system (you need to musch buttons to work)
if you compare to shield charge its pretty fast
lunar yarrow
Compared to the normal swords though, I noticed a distinct sluggishness to Excalibur
turbid needle
... shield charge has a protection though, you're invincible while charging
lunar yarrow
Well, not invincible
But yeah, hits from the front do zilch
My issue with Excalibur is that it feels like the swings are wider and slower
trail meteor
dmg reduction plus you can do some thing inside combo
lunar yarrow
Is it just me or is it really slower?
trail meteor
it slower to normal but attack range is much greater
lunar yarrow
The motions compared to the normal sword feels a bit off
turbid needle
Excalibur uses different moveset than normal sword though
turbid needle
it's just that if you go FO 40%, it's basically suicide
lunar yarrow
So play like a more defensive spear
hushed ledge
Nah release sword
trail meteor
its not that hard
plus (in my opinion) had few secrets mehanic
its look hard on begining but when you maxed it (in skills and blood) its strong
crisp iris
it seems like the most dmg efficient boon for twin fists are actually Zeus attack, unsurprisingly
celest hollow
Well yea double damage with a bit of range is pretty good
celest hollow
Yea
crisp iris
I feel like while it stacks fast, it's not as good as Zeus boon or Demeter chill-splosion tbh
placid path
I had a run with frost attacks and explosion on 10 stacks with the hands
That was nice
crisp iris
yeah chill-splosion is so, so good on fists
placid path
The one that disappointed me the most was ares, i expected a doom for each punch
crisp iris
it's great with Athena boon though
I think Athena Ares Duo boon that can proc with two different attacks?
oh wait no
there's Ares Doom stack boon
that can works really well with fists
I guess it's similar to Demeter in that case
crisp iris
same condition as Demeter burst I'd say
and they;re not that hard to get, especially with fated persuasion
crisp iris
Doom with stack and increased delay on Doom with fists are SO GOOD
like, the Doom just drops like a TRUCK
and getting fast attacks on hermes+the daedalus extra attack
Muah
placid path
I prefer the blade rifts
crisp iris
just going off on what's the most dps efficient with Fists tbh
Zeus>Demeter>Ares?Others i'd say
all conditional, but hey
turbid needle
Zeus on Attack with the Rolling Knuckle and range upgrade on attack ?
meager mica
i tried doomfist run but
don't got the stack boon
that was sad
2 legendary boons and 1 duo
Chariot annihilated me on last bossfight
iron shale
ares on fist
and athena on dodge
with duo boon
is already enough damage
to demolish everything
meager mica
yeah, but i had Ares + Aphro
quiet arrow
does anyone else's game stutter briefly when using meg's companion? like the thing where her portrait appears on the screen freezes for a hot minute 🤔 i haven't noticed this with bouldy/thanatos/dusa/skelly
i know things slow down a little but they don't come to a complete stop like they do with meg
untold blaze
I've noticed they've added screen shake when you do a lot of damage. It typically causes the game to slow briefly.
Don't know about you but I'd say 2500 damage is a lot in that game.
stiff stone
I won with smth like that recently
craggy helm
so, when getting hit, ares trigger just does nothing, nice folks, 20 minutes wasted
unkempt pagoda
rarity is the starting base value of the boon, level is how much that value is increased
for most boons, level increases slow down after each pom
increasing rarity is a surefire way to significantly raise the power level of a boon, but there are only a few ways of doing so
keen hare
ah! i gotcha thanks for that
unkempt pagoda
👍
hot fiber
Does Fiery Pressence still work of you have Damage Control?
forest iris
i think this counts as a gameplay question: Why don't gems from Trove Trials give you coins?
I've noticed that recently, i thought they used to
or maybe i was mistaken
errant narwhal
i dont recall that? but i havent played much for 2 updates
i only remember they have a chance to drop nectar
mighty ermine
gems and darkness from trove rewards don't carry their extra contractor effects with them i.e. obol and extra max health respectively
i don't think gem troves gave obol before either way
only troves specifically with obol
forest iris
ahh
naive tusk
Only chamber rewards will get you those extras
forest iris
then i am probably misremembering
funny, it feels like those extra effects should extend to the trove trials as well
but ah well
pallid otter
Do dash-strike upgrades (like Artemis dash or chaos effects) affect the dash-strike from the rolling knuckle upgrade? Or do I have to physically dash?
mighty ermine
iirc it does affect that last extra hit, considering the upgrade specifies it as a dash-strike as well
dash-strike boosts also affect dash-uppers with the special
pallid otter
thanks
quaint wind
forest iris
i mean, ya did -shot-
keen hare
do +special dmg bonuses apply to Dash-upper damage? or is that a completely different attack?
naive tusk
I think so, since Deadly Flourish can make the Dash Upper crit
I will have to experiment with that next time
keen hare
thanks for the heads up! it would be nice if you could see some sheet damage for all different boons you have
naive tusk
You can see that on the wiki
They put the base damage and multipliers for each rarity and each God 
keen hare
I could do that ahah :p but I meant on your boon screen, you'd see how much exactly extra damage your attack does or w/e
naive tusk
Ah, you mean a total from all the boons you have so far. There's someone who's currently working on a mod for that
keen hare
that would be super handy! lets you know what boons are more valuable than some others, i'm new to the game so every boon i get I kinda have to explore and see if its good. Really loving the game so far as well
naive tusk
Aw, I'd recommend you keep exploring. For me, that's one of the thrills of the game 
Just like how today I just found out Thunder Flourish and Aspect of Demeter don't like to be together haha
Nonetheless, it's still holding its own!
atomic swallow
i've been doing some low (no) heat runs lately just to get some easy darkness and look at this run https://gyazo.com/3d1c0467c141653d7e761d547694be6c
not pictured is 36% cast damage from a chaos boon
demeter cast is easily my favorite lmao
turbid needle
it's alright with the tracking boon, without it.... demeter cast is just not there
silver seal
her cast is my least favorite lol
atomic mist
I just had a cursed Arthur run and honestly I didn't think I could ever like cursed slash but it worked?? somehow
woeful pond
Not sure where else to post this, but treating it like a bug. (Forgive my lack of game terminology, too, because I only recently started playing. Got a few of them in there though.)
Bug: Coronocht's Daedelus weapon upgrade that removes Power Shot in exchange for rapid fire while LMB is held allows the user to fire 2-3x faster than intended when holding LMB and repeatedly clicking RMB. While LMB is held the arrows will continue to fire at standard improved speeds, but each press of RMB while LMB is held causes an animation cancel that quickly deploys the next Attack. This issue is most easily reproduced when the user has skilled into Stygian Soul to help ensure their Cast is ready and available in case it is accidentally fired. Not all RMB Casts have been tested, but the issue was recreated with Ares' whirling blade Cast.
pliant hazel
feedback channel
if you go with demeter or ares cast you basically have no reason not to try as best you can to get the duo with artemis, it's such a massive improvement
south comet
@woeful pond You can report bugs that you find in-game using F10.
dapper pilot
(Ok not to interrupt the current conversation but I just used Artemis’s Greater Call against the Hydra when it was at 1/3 health and boom. Insta-dead. Gods I love my girl Arty.)
vague hearth
But is it possible for excalibur's third strike to count as a dash strike if you time the dash right
proper hinge
Hey, so I stumbled upon one funny interaction with Exagryph, when you take Hazard Bomb (hammer upgrade which expands the radius and boosts the damage of the Special, but it harms Zagreus and is always aimed at him) and mix it with the Poseidon's boon on the Special. It then has the knockback effect, which is also applied on Zagreus when he's in the radius, and it almost always yeets him in the corner of the map. It's not really harmful (except when in Asphodel), but it still feels strange. Is this the intended interaction?
untold blaze
...If it wasn't before I HOPE they keep it in there.
That sounds beyond fun.
And a great speed running technique.
That said maybe they need to check the coding to make sure other boon special mixes don't lead to other problems.
proper hinge
Well, provided you actually find both of them.
And a great speed running technique.
untold blaze
To be fair, with this type of game has some level of random to it. So in order to actually pull of a speed run you'd need to play up until cerberus, intentionally crash the game, and then start all over again to try to best your time now that you know what's going to pop up. So I mean if you're going to do a speed run, you already know when and where the thing is going to appear.
proper hinge
Oh, does it actually work like that? I haven't seen any of the Hades speedruns, so...
untold blaze
I know from personal experience you get an almost duplicate run when you get sent back to the house through a crash.
So if you're a speed runner, you're probably going to abuse something like that to your advantage.
rancid shore
That doesn't happen every time you crash. Only when you take damage just before it afaict (or during boon selection, maybe?)
It (edit: probably) treats it the same way as it would if you were ending the game yourself
untold blaze
I'm really confused because when the game stalls out on me, either crashes or the actual screen itself freezes but everything else functions, no matter what I do I get sent back to the house with all my progress erased.
When it happens now I just start having him blindly stumble around until something kills him.
rancid shore
¯_(ツ)_/¯
From what I've tested, the stuff that sends you back to the house (after clearing a room) is like taking damage or picking up a boon/staying on the boon screen
I'm not entirely sure if it handles crashes the same way, but given that I've crashed a few times and not been sent to the house, it has to apply some of that logic at least sometimes
turbid needle
well the game always sends you to same starting seed when you "give up"
starting seed however can be changed by changing keepsake and weapon form/aspect
rancid shore
p sure it'll still trend towards the same drops/gods?
like if you get a hammer drop first room, regardless of anything you change, the hammer will still be there
turbid needle
specifically trollish in case when you start with let's say... Zagreus bow and you get special hammers you swtich to Chiron which gives you attack hammers
it trends towards same gods indeed...
but it depends...
because priority of gods within order might change run entirely in a way
but let's say you start with first god at chamber 0 (starting one) and when you get to like tartarus, you know he is gonna be probably main god of run
though it depends... it's RNG
turbid needle
you might put god keepsake, but that's still might not make the god disappear from the part of the run, moreover... the damn god might want to replace boon and give you otherwise bad options lol
I had some runs being exactly like that
and yeah... some weapons are being so god strict, otherwise you're just going full masochistic mode
ah, 11 Heat Run with Arthur Sword and 40% FO + 7:00 Tight deadline... why do I do this to myself lol
gotta say I enjoy upgraded heroic special speed (39% faster)
inland meadow
dire mason
No preview loaded, but I can confirm it's a Victory endscreen from Hades!
Congrats on the 20th clear! 🎉
gentle palm
Thank you!! ♥
chrome bone
Second wave with seastorm seems like a nice combo
gentle palm
It decimated the final boss. The spin attack Guan Yu spear plus knockbacks on every hit, doubled.
main citrus
I got the Triathlete flavor title after doing my first deathless run lol
8 Hunting Blades 
surreal jolt
Oh those titles mean something?
main citrus
They do. I don't know about Triathlete, but I got Fisher King, Death Defier and Middle-Management "something" as well
Curse of Longing is in there only because it's a Duo and I managed to get it before exiting Tartarus :p
oblique karma
god i have such a hard time dodging the final bosses spin attack
main citrus
Hades' Spin? It's mostly timing. Also having two dashes help.
oblique karma
i think i usually panick and use my dashes too quickly
surreal jolt
I hope they add a feature soon where you can look at your past run stats like in the final screen
main citrus
You can already :o
It's not the same design as the final screen, but you can look at the runs tho
main citrus
You need to unlock access to the new room they introduced in this update.
digital patio
Re: Blade Rift boons, if I have the Duo boon Hunting Blades, can I sell the original cast boon?
This seems like a clean cut conflict
surreal jolt
How? I've done maybe 20-25 clears? I figured I've unlocked everything
main citrus
Did you unlock the ||Administrative Room with the working shades and the file cabinet, close to where Than stands in the House||?
You do it via House Contractor request.
digital patio
||Zagreus will have a work nightmare about when he was a desk clerk||
surreal jolt
No and no. I've filled out the house contractor outside some cosmetic stuff
digital patio
Triggers by ||an event toast in his bedroom||
surreal jolt
I check the contractor Everytime but he's been empty for a long time now
main citrus
When you unlock the room you'll be able to check all your past runs, and some extra things that will allow you to complete more Fated Prophecies
surreal jolt
Guess I'll cljust keep playing. The unlock system in this game is the only thing I don't like.
digital patio
Update: absolutely should not have sold boon. Bad experiment, 2/10.
main citrus
pffff
turbid needle
well from titles that I remember...
Hermes would be Jealous, And had Big Shopping Trip too, Envied & Favoured are titles I've got
main citrus
Ahh, I got the Favoured one too
Hermes would be Jealous is probably for being super fast, so it's out of question for me if it's something like 15 minutes or under lol
Fisher King is easy, just need to try to get Huge Catch from Poseidon as soon as possible.
Also, wonder how you unlock the heart locks for ||Zeus and Artemis|| 
I am suspicious as hecc
rancid shore
hermes would be jealous is 12 minutes
quiet arrow
awe :( you'll get em next time
analog lodge
What was the boons though?
torpid abyss
I haven't gone past 4 or 5 heat tho
I'm like completing every weapon one by one
I feel that'
That's detrimental on the long run
modern whale
whats the kenshiro run?
torpid abyss
Well basically
You use fists on Zag aspect
Then get curse of agony + dire misfortune
naive tusk
💗
torpid abyss
@winter kelp How was it????
winter kelp
well
fun af lol
i made sure to not punch them to death so they would die with style
i got lucky with the boons, 90% of them were Ares so my Poms helped me with that
torpid abyss
Hmm, i feel the build needs an hermes attack boon tho
analog lodge
Now that I know how it works, I can say it is probably fun, but it isn't exactly effective, dire misfortune isn't all that powerful a buff, even on fists that can stack it to 50 extra damage. And curse of longing only ends up being a 33% extra after it has landed all its hits.
If you want to go Doom build, Athena dash+duo is the more optimal choice, being able to melt hades health like nothing.
Though I am mostly comparing effectiveness of builds to hunting blades and 2K Javelins, so my perspective on a "viable build" may be a little off.
rancid shore
This is so stupid
https://i.imgur.com/KuSAzWZ.png
rancid shore
imagine that with arthur
rancid shore
lmao
quiet arrow
Freeze frame, record scratch
You might be wondering how I got here.
winter kelp
It all began summer 1100 BC
analog lodge
To be fair, most the game is hard with Arthur. The only way to do quick hits with it is via dash attack.
winter kelp
which is poopoo
analog lodge
And the dash doesn't even chain into the second combo phase
it chains into the start
winter kelp
which is also poopoo
analog lodge
And the aoe also makes projectiles bunch up
quiet arrow
It's fun on lower heat but I tried 32 heat and got dunked
analog lodge
The only thing arthur has going for it is that 300 final swing
quiet arrow
I'm not the best with the sword in general though
Which, if you somehow manage to land (with Artemis + chaos attack boon and Aphrodite/Artemis duo boon) is bonkers
analog lodge
But honestly, it needs some unique hammer upgrades to make it work, most of the regular hammers for it do not actually synergise well with it
quiet arrow
Yeah I often struggle when deciding which hammer to take
All the nova strike ones are meh
Too risky to use the special for DMG rather than utility imo
Haven't dared to try cursed slash lmao
analog lodge
Cursed slash is a negative in almost any build, the hp loss is so high that you will die in just 1/2 hits, makeing the healing irrelevent
quiet arrow
I took it on a stupid run I did with the Lambent plume and zag aspect
It was the "stack dodge and hope you dodge more hits than you take before you can heal up"
rancid shore
are you supposed to be able to get level 2 on your aspect 
quiet arrow
Zag aspect?
quiet arrow
Yeah I maxed it out for ||Skelly quest||
analog lodge
oh you mean via the boons tab? it should not gain a "level" in boons tab ever.
rancid shore
marble ridge
analog lodge
The funny thing is the "level" doesn't even change anything
quiet arrow
Mom come pick me up I'm scared
rancid shore
The funny thing is I didn't even pick up a Pom Porridge from Eurydice
I took an Ambrosia Delight
lusty sequoia
HOW
rancid shore
I took an ambrosia delight from eurydice and it did that for some reason
kind cloud
It looks like her pom didn't actually improve the stats, just gave a weird nominal title upgrade to an already fully upgraded talos. Cool bug doe.
dapper pilot
My guess is that Aspects are coded like boons, albeit boons that change the outward appearance of the weapon as well
So for whatever reason the thing that prevents it from impacting aspects didnt work
rancid shore
Yes, Delight and NOT porridge
rancid shore
Already done
turbid needle
It always feels a little bad when that happens, though, especially since Ambrosia Delight only upgrades two boons.
rancid shore
I'm gonna blame that loss on that I lost out on a possibly very useful rarity upgrade
Does Dusa's bobbing animation not loop perfectly or am I imagining that?
analog lodge
One things for sure about Dusa - she is cute as hell
winter kelp
gotta love that voice
dapper pilot
She’s so cute and I love her to death
I want to take her out to tea or something cute
Get her a spa treatment, cucumbers on her eyes and her snake eyes
winter kelp
rapid holly
My only good Arthur run was one where I went for every damage reduction ability I could get and fought in the special zone
tropic wyvern
arthur build where you play for vengeful mood and try to max tankiness 🤔
analog lodge
"Hey Father, why are you hitting yourself?"
"This is going to hurt me more than it hurts you son"
winter kelp
dude
turbid needle
ranking up your attack in rarity ranks up your talos aspect
got lvl 16 talos aspect because of that
lusty sequoia
does it double each time or something?
low urchin
does Chaos boons count towards Family Favorite bonus?
sacred idol
@rancid shore That bug happens with Guan Yu and is what gives it more lifesteal...
Although on that, it procs from upgrading attack or special boons?
rancid shore
I only saw attack get upgraded
sacred idol
Yeah, okay, maybe it's two different bugs
rancid shore
Maybe I just missed the other one because blue to purple isn't great when you're colorblind? But from what I noticed it was just attack
azure atlas
Game
prime knoll
This was fun. Dying Lament is one of my favorite boons in the game.
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/792010796266218306/0837979C35E017560E5CCA7D3E7C100739ABE331/
civic barn
hm, anyone know if it's possible to proc a duo from the very two gods in the same trial?
earnest ravine
Trials cant' give duos.
naive tusk
Hi Kopy ❤️
naive tusk
May I watch you? 😮
prime knoll
sure
naive tusk
Yaaay
civic barn
i kinda wish they gave us a more strict set of enemies in erebus that scales to somthing
like i feel like it'd been nice if all the weapons have different sets of enemies
or maybe a wider set...with trap rooms in the mix?
clear dome
bomb throw