nemesis - merciful end build
#h1-builds-and-combat
earnest ravine
Arthur's good with Aphrodite attack and Artemis attack. It has such high base damage you WANT a percentage based boon on it.
Whether you want consistent larger numbers or The Big 1000+ crits is personal preference.
dim rapids
in the end it's up to you really
in general aphro/artemis/athena trio is good for anything
prime knoll
Holy Moly. I have the 40% move speed boon on Arthur Sword, and I can't hit anything. When I go in to strike, I sliiiiiide like Luigi and end up past my target (and in Asphodel often in magma for my attack frames). The hydra fight was un-possible. I've never noticed the sword slide like that but maybe it's because each attack isn't usually so slow?
earnest ravine
And fists generally work like you would build rail or Zeus shield. A lot of stacking abilities or per-hit abilities.
prime knoll
For clarity when I hit the attack button, I slide toward my target but often miss them.
turbid needle
did athena also give deflect of regular attack?
earnest ravine
Yes.
turbid needle
ok, thanks then
rapid holly
ouch just lost a death defiance when fighting meg because the twin fists (with athena attack, auto aim) prioritized the wretched witch behind me and not meg spinning with her bullet hell. Both within range but the wretched a bit closer
i was walking towards meg so he moonwalked into the bullets
turbid needle
Tried excalibur with Poseidon attack, knockback so weak, that you can wall slam only enemies standing right to the wall, and damage is 8-15 per wall slam. Worst synergy in 80h.
heady zephyr
Asphodel is actually the hardest zone with the fists
turbid needle
I think Elysium still is.
river jacinth
definitely elysium
sharp prawn
Get Support Fire from Artemis and it gets way easier
turbid needle
Greatshields are just nightmarish.
sharp prawn
Oh definitely
turbid needle
Ooh, I bet it would be.
You can't circle strafe Greatshields like you can everything else.
sharp prawn
Support Fire + Exagryph + Bonus Ammo + Chill + Aspect Of Hestia + Rapid Fire = FUN TIMES
river jacinth
my friend got athena attack + attack speed hermes with fists on his first run and was basically unkillable
turbid needle
That would be better with Aspect of Zagreus or Eris.
sharp prawn
Hestia does have the empowered shot tho
Yea Zagreus would be ideal
I just discovered it with Hestia, is all
turbid needle
Eris is better, still, you get the bonus damage to Support Fire.
formal basin
Did the Snake thing in the Temple of Styx get buffed? Doesn't say that in the patch notes, but it feels like they're killing me way faster than they used to.
sharp prawn
The floating crystal things?
formal basin
It feels like they start up faster and hit harder.
dim rapids
lmao tiny vermin dialogue is funny af
chrome geyser
@dim rapids i still havent gotten it 😢
dim rapids
it seems pretty rare
orchid wasp
hey guys, what do yall think of the fists? what aspects/hammer upgrades do yall take?
jagged cairn
Is there a certain enemy I need to fight to get Burner from Benefits Package?
I've done probably 10 runs with it on, and I'm still missing that one.
chrome geyser
Must be; since i haven't seen it in about 30 elite rooms.
@jagged cairn i think it's fully random; did you activate 2? That should help you get it faster.
I activated 2 and got it in like 12 runs.
jagged cairn
Just been doing 1 so far. I'll try some runs with 2.
chrome geyser
Sometimes it gets intense; but shouldnt be very difficult if you lower other stuff.
jagged cairn
I've run into the Tiny Vermin twice. Fun fight. haha
jaunty pewter
i don't plan to use the arthur upgrade past finishing the prophecy, but i just had a fun but terrible run where i had athena attack and dash so i could set up the special as a batting plate and just play baseball with projectile enemies
modest tree
So uhhhh
pro tip
Don't be an idiot like me and pick cursed slash with excalibur
because it's way too slow for that
versed tide
don't pick cursed slash at all
modest tree
It's good with flurry slash i think
river jacinth
yeah that's the only combo it's worth taking for
modest tree
Just walked into a room with flamewheels forming a laser pentagram which is fitting because the little bastards are evil
orchid wasp
I had a lot of fun in the one run where I had cursed slash, although I think it's so gamechanging it would be better as an aspect
jagged canopy
Not gonna lie I laughed hard when Zag went "oh it's a tiny vermin" and then the boss's name shows up
As for the fists, im not sure
I've used Zag aspect with Zeus and Art, seems okay
orchid wasp
the magnetic pull's damage boost is a little bit insane. you throw the ammo thing into the boss for 50% boost, then 40% from the Q and you do so much damage
orchid wasp
I haven't had enough games with the fists yet, just about in my 3rd right now
keen carbon
finally did it, beat hades on my 26th run... yeah i'm not that good at games haah
dim rapids
do you need to unlock all songs on the list to get orpheus and eurydice together?
frigid arch
https://i.imgur.com/7UBABFb.png
Hoo boy, starting a Poseidon aspect sword run with True Shot for opening boon, followed by Dual Shot right after, Demeter swoops in with Snow Burst and Killing Freeze as the next two boons. Chamber 10 is a Trial of the Gods with the two of them, Demeter giving Winter Harvest as thanks for being the first picked, and through her "displeasure", Artemis decides not to be shown up and just drops her legendary boon as well.
lime estuary
charred ruin
now that the tooth got nerfed i don't know what to take to styx anymore
formal basin
If you've still got all your DD, take Cerberus' Collar. With 3 DD, that's 125 extra life.
errant hill
Im partial to take spear tip if I dont have all my DD
formal basin
More if you have that one boon Athena.
errant hill
but I agree on the collar
formal basin
What's the opinion on Aspect of Demeter for Fists?
summer linden
yeah i usually go for the collar
formal basin
I maxed it out before I tried Talos, and I like talos WAY better.
Feels like the number of strikes is too high, and I find using the base special to be kind of clunky.
dim rapids
take the nut
turbid arch
I like the Demeter Aspect overall.
But I do not like the fists overall. Probably not my most favorite weapon at the moment. I'd have a hard time explaining why though. Plenty small reasons that make for a big pile.
On another news, another 40 heat run on YT.
formal basin
I think they just need some tweaking. Like, the animation for special is not very reflective of the hitbox, and it has good speed, but high recovery.
And it's nice to have a melee weapon that genuinely makes Zeus attack useful.
turbid arch
The recovery time would be one point. Some weird hammer boons that do not seem to do much would be the next point.
Spear kinda also did that.
formal basin
I still haven't worked my way through all the hammers. Long Knuckle is nice. Very nearly an instant pick if it shows up for me right now.
Tbf, I don't like spear :/ Wanted to like Hades aspect, but the charge move with Forced Overtime on just wasn't much fun to deal with for me.
And while I haven't gotten them simultaneously yet, the concentrated fire one and the finisher that adds a dash strike at the end of flurry probably go well together. There's potentially no interrupt that way, so damage increases for as long as you're on them.
turbid arch
I liked the one that makes your special a dash kick
but then it put me in a spike trap.
I liked the one that charges your special, but then things just got all sorts of weird.
Zagreus looks like he is airbourne, but he is not. Thus, spike trap again.
ALSO, your movement becomes superfloaty and weird and you can actually bounce off of walls. But that may be a side effect of having extra MS.
That ends up messing a few things up somewhat fiercly on a semi regular basis.
@raven spear Just watched the video you posted in #self-promotion It was amazing! I got a good laugh out of the memes and your editing is quite impressive!
quiet arrow
Is it the top half or the lower half?
unkempt scroll
Lower half
quiet arrow
Those are story related! You have to progress your relationships with certain NPCs to get unlock them
fading reef
32 heat runs are impossible
unkempt scroll
Ugh... How many of those gift things is that, then?
quiet arrow
I don't know if naming who you can get them from constitutes as spoilers so I'll tag it just in case: ||you can get them from Meg, Thanatos, Dusa and Sisyphus||
If you look at your codex
You can see the hearts up top
raven spear
@turbid arch tnx i glad you liked it ^^
quiet arrow
Keep giving them until you get to a heart that has a keyhole on it, that indicates you have to do a quest for em
After you finish said quest you can gift them ambrosia which will give you the keepsakes at the bottom
quiet arrow
That means there isn't any further progression in the current version of the game
primal cape
What would be your ideal arthur build?
lime relic
Damn, I don't know, but the hammer upgrade which gives backstab damage at 200% makes for stupidly high crits in the back with the third big cleaving blow
primal cape
Yeah that’s the only thing I’m sold on for arthur aside from avoiding non-percent attack boons
waxen furnace
got two legendary boons from one trial room
poseidon legendary and arte legendary... while runnning poseidon cast with recharging bloods
this is going to be fun
that's a lotta bloods for one minotaur
sacred idol
What even
naive tusk
sacred idol
LOL
naive tusk
I might have had too much fruit that run 😄
sacred idol
@waxen furnace how the heck did you get three whole recharges, the bloodstones last that long?
also, wait, does the recharge reload all of them at once
sacred idol
That's twelve whole casts...
tepid zodiac
THIS GAME IS FUN
sacred idol
what even is the embed time on them
tepid zodiac
AND POLISHED AF
waxen furnace
I think I maxed at 16 casts on that minotaur
tepid zodiac
💖 🍅 💖
naive tusk
The time each cast remains lodged is all the same, unless you have Hera's Aspect
sacred idol
Does Exit Wounds proc at all on Stygian casts?
waxen furnace
sacred idol
Because if it does, lol
waxen furnace
yeah, this was bonkers
I don't think I'm ever going to switch off of bloodregen casting, outside of poseidon blade runs
sacred idol
oh lol double blizzard shot.
waxen furnace
going to try regen cast on hera bow next, I think
just to see if there's some fun there
sacred idol
Actually
Can Exit Wounds even appear with Stygian?
If it does, does it deal damage when the cast vanishes
waxen furnace
It can.
I don't know if it does damage, I was offered Fully Loaded at the same time, so I took the legendary :p
sacred idol
Because if you had Stygian, Fully Loaded, Exit Wounds, and Quick Return, then it'd be nuts
naive tusk
Welcome to the Stygian Soul Club, Marah 😛
sacred idol
just chunk those boss phases with 12 shots
waxen furnace
thanks peach. don't think I'm ever leaving it
naive tusk
And Exit Wounds does proc with Stygian Soul as well
sacred idol
man I wish some mechanics were simply clearer
naive tusk
So go nutz
sacred idol
what. lol. that's nasty.
did anyone ever take time to test hermes on family favorite
because 30% passive buff is absolutely insane, especially on hunting blades or crit focus
art/ares/athena/aphro and don't even need exposed
vague hemlock
this was a very hyperkinetic build on the gauntlets lmao https://imgur.com/a/f15D628
Final boss over in 15-25 seconds
sacred idol
What aspect
What is Favored and Envied?
...also, is that cold fusion, or some other duo
rancid shore
which one?
waxen furnace
I hate that No Choice shows you the boon you can't get 😦
sacred idol
oh, I can't actually tell what elami's boons are, is the thing
there's a duo boon unlisted on the right
rancid shore
that's aph/ath
rancid shore
yeh looks like zag
pure junco
Uh.... just found out a game-breaking bug...
I reported it but it's so broken it should get fixed immediately.
rancid shore
?
pure junco
I'm not gonna tell you, but it involves the shield.
rancid shore
Why would you mention it and then not tell us
winter kelp
lol
waxen furnace
not sharing game-breaking bugs is good and healthy, but half-discussing it seems like it defeats the purpose
rapid holly
https://imgur.com/PB7mWRU this was a fun run. demeter aspect fists, athena attack, artemis special, demeter cast
waxen furnace
you either a) give enough information that people can try and replicate it, which is presumably bad, or b) have a few disgruntled people because you've gone "I know something you don't"
pure junco
I guess I could share it, but I don't want to get in trouble.
waxen furnace
It's healthy to not share it. it's even healthier to not even mention it (until it's dealt with and patched out)
lime relic
He knows, but he won't tell us
earnest ravine
Why would you get in trouble? We're kinda here to be testing bugs and stuff, aren't we? it's not like a multiplayer scenario where that'd get you a one-up on other people.
pure junco
It's so game-breaking you can do any room without taking damage, if done well enough.
winter kelp
well i get it but sharing bugs is really gonna get someone in trouble?
there is a channel for bugs
lime relic
The bug is hiding behind the shield to avoid damage
winter kelp
makes sense
pure junco
Well, I know that the shield blocks damage, lol. The buggy part is that you can do damage when behind it.
waxen furnace
okay, yeah, I finally got to try poseidon special on talos. this is fun
sacred idol
I mean... yeah, it's not like this is a competitive game, some mild cheese isn't a big issue.
@waxen furnace You do get to benefit from Poseidon's comically high special damage too, right
Zeus attack+Poseidon special sea storm build? 🤔
waxen furnace
that is indeed the intent
sacred idol
demeter dash is a tiny bit awkward unless on controller. but that'd also be really good for poseidon cast or dio cast
I think Talos is a REALLY REALLY GOOD option for the Zeus/Poseidon/Dio/Demeter wombo combo.
You have:
A quick deploying electrified snowstorm of death
An attack that GET OVER HEREs enemies into said snowstorm of death, and also makes the next stacks stronger, for the lulz
pure junco
There, I posted it in #h1-tech-support if you really care.
winter kelp
cool
sacred idol
oh, that sounds like a normal day for zeus aspect :p
the one designed to let you throw out a buzzsaw whenever you like
waxen furnace
yep - also makes me enjoy ares cast on talos aspect
waxen furnace
you are the hunting blade
sacred idol
just yoink enemies into your murder blender
winter kelp
on the shield i really can't play with the other aspectes, zag's aspect is my way
sacred idol
aspect of Scorpion
lime relic
Grabbing enemies is a mechanic that is literally ALWAYS fun
winter kelp
muder blender lol
waxen furnace
I don't mind glass heart pact on fist. thought I would on talos, but that initial 20 damage tap getting blocked on special is not a big deal
winter kelp
i also like flying towards enemies with the hammer
winter kelp
a little more than the talos to be honest
pure junco
Time to abuse the crap out of this bug and get infinite amounts of heat rewards.
winter kelp
good luck lol
pure junco
True.
rancid shore
That has to be the least fun way to play
waxen furnace
uuuugh. hammer room on one side, trial room on the other. mid tartarus. both tempting 😦
winter kelp
join the hammer cult
waxen furnace
the hammer upgrades are stellar
winter kelp
i really want Daedalus as a character asap
so he could give even better hammer effects
wraith schooner
tbh i want a daedalus char too so we can get a keepsake that let u always start with a hammer
:d
pure junco
That would be pretty bonkers, ngl.
wraith schooner
may make more weird builds viable if more access to hammers
indeed i love it too
pure junco
First room chaos gate POG
wraith schooner
thats one of the best starts imo
since always the first reward
its something weird
rather take the chaos room
get a chance for a juicy +50% buff on main attack special or something
sacred idol
@lime relic I mean, people find different things fun
winter kelp
When am I supposed to pull up?
@unkempt scroll when it makes a sound and the water kinda flickers white(?)
lime relic
Sure but it gets usually gets old quick
sacred idol
also I usually get dual boon rooms, because the hammer is very likely to keep spawning @waxen furnace but on fists it may be a different thing
wraith schooner
once its fully submerged
unkempt scroll
It always says too early...
sacred idol
I will say though, my RNG keeps getting hammer into nectar
what a meme
king - that's for the player to decide for themselves
winter kelp
It always says too early...
@unkempt scroll there are fake signs
wraith schooner
i only repick on god boons
winter kelp
you have to wait
unkempt scroll
... And how do you tell the difference?
winter kelp
the real one is much more visible and audible
wraith schooner
@unkempt scroll when it fully submerge u can press then
lime relic
I find fishing super hard considering how meager the rewards are è_é
unkempt scroll
Okay
winter kelp
and from my experience it's kinda forgiving
unkempt scroll
Thanks
sacred idol
The real sign is a white, shiny downward movement.
winter kelp
that
sacred idol
big white splash
waxen furnace
does the hammer actually keep appearing if you spurn it in tartarus? always been afraid to
sacred idol
also, I always reroll only on hearts or poms if I don't need poms for my build.
wraith schooner
i find it very easy to fish tbh i just wish there were more variety of fish
sacred idol
yeah, that's what it does
wraith schooner
even if they gave same reward
sacred idol
the game tries really hard to give you two hammers.
waxen furnace
when I ignore it on poseidon blade runs, I don't remember seeing it too often later on
sacred idol
not guaranteed, but I've had a fricking hammer in styx
wraith schooner
if u get 2 hammers u are most times set
green compass
For chiron bow is fiery or shadow pressence better
lime relic
I'm not sure how it works I usually prefer shadow because the initial damage isn't too much
so I think mathematically its better to pick shadow but I'm not 100% sure I tried it like two times
rancid shore
don't you need to damage an enemy for chiron to do the tracking
winter kelp
yes
sacred idol
Shadow.
Fiery is a little undertuned right now
and more importantly, Chiron specials can backstab.
they often do, due to how the homing works.
green compass
I'm just wondering if the initial shot hurts enough to justify but yea your points make more sense
sacred idol
so yeah, overwhelmingly, the potential for 4-7 backstabs > fiery
lime relic
I'm not sure if it counts like a backstab when you're in front of the enemy but the arrow goes spinny
pure junco
Am I the only one who thinks that "Ruthless Reflex" is OP?
waxen furnace
I think it's quite strong, but not overpowered
you do trade a decent amount of safety for it
sacred idol
Yeah
Although I think it may be a tiny bit off in its window
seems like some people have seen it proccing when it shouldn't
like after actually taking damage
even then, with the new iframes it's worth
@lime relic It can
the projectile hitting back even if you're in front = backstab.
that's why.
orchid sonnet
How many times was Hangover changed? Poison, Sick, Hangover?
I'm also forgetting if we're calling it Wrath or Call...
rancid shore
The mechanic is call; I think the boons are called aid now
sacred idol
drunken dash, nasty dash, etc etc
why do they keep doing that?
I think Drunken Dash made more sense
orchid sonnet
I know game files call it Aid
wicked hull
Dionysus named them when he was drunk and had to come back and change it later
lime relic
The name change itself is symbolic of drunkenness
sacred idol
LOL
orchid sonnet
I like the lore implications of that.
sacred idol
I was gonna say
rancid shore
is he ever not drunk
sacred idol
"what if every time Dio gets E X T R A hammered he changes his boon names, just to screw with Zag"
lime relic
Imagine you go get a boon
and it changes to a dio boon
"You thought it was Ares, ||but it was me, DIO||"
waxen furnace
just lost my 30 win streak. 😦
winter kelp
lime estuary
RIP
waxen furnace
at least it's a nice flat 30
I just had a rough fists run
No Choice kinda screwed me
lime estuary
I just tried a 20 heat run with the Fists and lost at the final boss
I hate how the fists feel at high heat
waxen furnace
it's been ~9 runs with no excal yet, also :<
nyx keeps pumping out other dialogue instead
at least now I can go in and die to cycle nyx quicker (since I don't have a streak to ruin)!
lime estuary
It doesn’t feel like the damage output justifies how much of a risk you need to put yourself in
winter kelp
the first 2 hits are ok
the last one is definitely a trap
especially on elysium
where everything is at 720 rpm
waxen furnace
I'm mostly sad that I need to run again with No Choice to get it off the fate list. seeing the options you can't access is thoroughly unfun
lime estuary
I also wish the Forced Overtime enemies didn’t have their windup animations sped up too, since it makes some attacks nearly impossible to react to
rancid shore
some of those happen even before the animation ends
winter kelp
this
marble ridge
Arthur Gang when?
winter kelp
hopefully never
marble ridge
: (
marble ridge
'S fine
winter kelp
lime estuary
FO is gonna have to be fixed before I join Arthur Gang
sullen valley
You know, when I was confused when I saw that there were 2 bloodstones in my Skelly Summon when I had 3 in the final boss. Took me a bit to figure out what happened.
dense locust
You can do a 32 heat run without FO
tidal thorn
Depends on what you like.
hoary iris
I like to go fast
winter kelp
Which one is better Talos or Demeter?
@hoary iris I love talos
it has some good synergies
i don't really like demeter, maybe when i fully upgrade it
tidal thorn
I like Dem more. I'm not a fan of the Yank n Yeet build.
winter kelp
lol i love it
turbid needle
Dem does a lot of damage if you can make it to the end.
hoary iris
just because it has more flexibility
turbid needle
Explosive Upper fires 5/6 times.
fiery shale
12 is such an awkward number and i dont like it
turbid needle
12 Heat?
winter kelp
i also like Zag a lot
tidal thorn
Dem with Explosive, I've hit for 2100 damage.
turbid needle
Mmm, yeah.
hoary iris
Yes its weird
tidal thorn
So I'm down for it.
fiery shale
i'd like it a lot more if it was just 10
turbid needle
I've had some 4k+ bursts with Demeter.
winter kelp
if it was 10 it would match the two sets of 5 hits
fiery shale
but its probably the one i will max first
hoary iris
10 is the perfect amount
turbid needle
I never use all five hits anyway, but getting it just a little faster would be sick.
gloomy vine
Does damaging enemy armour count as damaging the enemy? i.e. if foe is still at full hp but with damaged armour do you lose or keep the damage bonus from nyx boon and fiery presence? Logically the foe is undamaged as only it's armour is damaged but I'm guessing game treats armour damage as a damaged foe.
fiery shale
ye same, but when i do it just feels wrong to go through 2 full sequences and not have it
turbid needle
Yes, counts as damaged.
What has happened to erebus? You remember, the aditional rooms where you could enter for 5;15;25 heat. were they removed? havent seen one is quite a while
fiery shale
nope they're still around
turbid needle
strange, is last runs, not a single one
You have to buy them from the Contractor, if you haven't.
7*
fiery shale
what have you guys enjoyed with the fists, keepsake wise?
turbid needle
Artemis.
fiery shale
esp for aspect of demeter
fiery shale
with dem's aspect?
winter kelp
idk i like using dio's
fiery shale
i'll try our artemis
turbid needle
doesnt appear and havent bought. do you have to unlock it somehow for it to show?
fiery shale
i assume you enjoy the special buff from artemis
turbid needle
Oh yeah.
fiery shale
that sounds quite nice
hoary iris
Ares doom with fist attack + some kind of deflect + the duo is insane
hoary iris
Insta doom
turbid needle
Dash-Upper also scales from both Special and Dash Attack bonuses.
Hunter Dash is easy-peasy damage.
sullen valley
You know you're playing Isometric Doom when your enemies start running into traps to kill themselves before you do
Seriously, anyone else feel like Elysium AI would be smarter towards avoiding traps?
turbid needle
No, shut up.
The only thing saving me is Exalted, Flamewheels, and Chariots happily barreling into arrows and eggs.
winter kelp
eggs are awesome
turbid needle
You take those.
That's the game's penance for spawning Super Elite Longbows in my spawn Erebus.
sullen valley
oof
turbid needle
That was how I found out they track you across multiple arrows.
sacred idol
They are, VERY slightly
Just that they're thicc and reduce it by like 99%, and I think Bone Hydra is immune to both knockback and backstab
why bone hydra doesn't have a back of the skull to stab, I don't understand
small gorge
+1 more to my masscre run
https://imgur.com/a/aaPS8hv
chrome geyser
With 7 hits
using the demeter aspect
I actually had him fly all the way accross the arena
Bone hydra is immune
I think it would glitch the neck if they are knocked back out of range?
sacred idol
Oh wow. Damn.
You can actually punt Hades THAT far?
I thought it was like... really weak knockback but still knockback capable
cosmic shadow
finally did successful Arthur and Guan Yu runs yesterday
sacred idol
Or Demeter aspect Poseidon simply has the highest knockback value in the game.
cosmic shadow
I still can't get a hang of the fists
sacred idol
Maybe.
cosmic shadow
maybe I should try a different aspect than zag
small gorge
you know the shield with poseidon can knock boss really far
dapper pilot
My advice- dash. Dash for your life. Pretend you’re a boxer and duck and weave
chrome geyser
To be honest; i have been knocking back FB using chiron poseidon as well
The knockback is really there; like i can slam him against the walls and it activates the waves
versed ibex
Does anybody else find the dash-special combos (ep on fists?) awkward to do on controller? I have no problem tapping A -> X, but A -> Y is a lot harder for me to do and I ended up just ignoring that entirely. kind of wasted the hammer upgrade 😔 (I don't remember if there are alternate bindings--this was the default one)
chrome geyser
Demeter aspect feels a bit more dramatic; cause i think there is an intrinsic knockback too
sacred idol
Oh weird.
chrome geyser
Why don't you remap?
sacred idol
I thought Chiron had the weakest knockback
cosmic shadow
I feel like the dash combos on fists don't differ from the normal moves that much visually
cosmic shadow
with the other weapons you have a much more striking difference
chrome geyser
The knockback from the boon i feel like is constant
sacred idol
I know chaos shield has almost none on Poseidon, and Chiron is the next weakest after that on special?
Although
chrome geyser
I don't think they are tuned per weapon
sacred idol
I have noticed it's a bit... inconsistent?
chrome geyser
If that was the case; they would tune zeus flourish to be not imba but still functional on chiron
sacred idol
I think they're altered somewhat by the weapon's base knockback force on an attack
Somewhat.
chrome geyser
Probably
sacred idol
I know Poseidon rail bomb is FAR stronger than, say, shield throw.
chrome geyser
But bow volley has no knockback naturally
versed ibex
I turned the game off -- does it allow me to remap any button? I might switch cast and special then
turbid needle
It does.
sacred idol
Yeah, it adds some, but I think it's just that you're getting 14 pushes instead
chrome geyser
It allows remapping all the keys
sacred idol
with shield, shield throw is screwed
chrome geyser
It may be they hit from different angles
turbid needle
I rebound Cast to Shift, Special to M2, and Reload to MTB.
versed ibex
I couldn't remember if this was one of those games that only had set controller layouts
oh, on controller though
chrome geyser
You can map on controller still
From settings
I changed call and summon; cause i kept accidentally summoning things
versed ibex
I'm so used to the current setting, I'm sure after I switch it I'll end up screwing up special/cast for a few runs 😂 but hopefully it'll make the fists easier to use
cosmic shadow
With shield you get Zeus' special and watch the lightning go
I don't think there's a better special on shield than Zeus'
earnest ravine
Dionysus' is pretty intense.
cosmic shadow
particularly with the bounce upgrades
earnest ravine
And Athea's is a REALLY good safe one=
Oh. Right, Chaos shield
But the Dio special comment still stands. it stacks REALLY fast.
cosmic shadow
speaking of Dio and Zeus, why is Scintillant Feast so amazing
sacred idol
@chrome geyser Tried with base non chaos shield throw. Still does buggered all for knockback last I tried it
cosmic shadow
I love that boon so much
sacred idol
Zeus special is better on Zeus shield
chrome geyser
Damage for single target is not great great with zeus on shield.
Meaning FB.
Anything with a couple enemies is great
(i mean damage wise)
dionysus outdamages zeus for single target; if you don't count the jolted/double/splitting
Zeus is like 40 damage; with bounces it's like 80 damage.
Flat
Something along +100% on flourish outdamages zeus (single target)
I still love zeus on special on chaos shield; because you clear rooms insanely fast.
It's probably not as good; since the legendary is so rare now.
turbid needle
Zeus Aspect is fine for single targets.
You gotta micromanage the hell out of it, but it works.
turbid needle
Did you try throwing your shield or Cast?
sullen valley
Nope, it just walked on out of there so I was able to hit it again
And then I tried walking into where it walked out of and
it was absolutely out of bounds for a moment there
unkempt pagoda
guan yu still is my favorite aspect over arthur, but i still like it more than the other sword aspects
if all the 4th aspects are bangers like these, i'm excited for the future
chrome geyser
Also about early discussion; you can have two casts on screen (laser) with stygian soul without having multiple casts.
turbid needle
[shaking in anticipation of the Rail]
sullen valley
The Rail just gives you FPS powers (+190% Motion Sickness)
quaint stream
What is ya'll best combos for arthur aspect as of yet
hoary iris
I would like to now that as well, i suck using the Arthur aspect because the sword is too slow
hoary iris
true, i feel that the special has a lot of lag
hoary iris
I havent tried festive fog with the sword, i usually use that cast with Hera Bow
dense locust
I find my self doing dash specials for 80% of my attacks with arthur aspect
they are really easy to execute with the excalibur because its so slow
sacred idol
Shoryuken show it.
sullen valley
Almost 1k damage in a full charged swing onto Hades
Man, if you got Flying Cutter, Heroic Aphrodite Special, and fully upgraded Demeter Aspect, boy...
glossy plaza
tfw the game is actually so easy with Ruthless Dash lmfao https://i.imgur.com/88fIO74.png
turbid needle
@sacred idol btw if you havent tested already, hermes does count for olympian favourite, got 1300 on sisyphus boulder with artemis/athena/ares/aphrodite/hermes
glossy plaza
1st run of the patch btw, haven't played in a while but Ruthless Dash makes the game literally ez mode
sacred idol
nice.
sullen valley
wait does Bouldy count as a boon for OF? lol
glossy plaza
yes, if you gift Bouldy a nectar, he'll give you a random boon
glossy plaza
some small bonus but better than nothing, he gave me 8% MS that run
turbid needle
also, nice run, havent seen perfect clear before
sullen valley
I was asking if he actually counts...
kind cloud
i need to try this ruthless dash craze...
sullen valley
also; oooo
kind cloud
this might be might shot to clear 32 heat on spear
glossy plaza
idk, I only know I perfected Hades fight because it's actually easy lmfao
sullen valley
What's Ruthless Dash now?
turbid needle
getting hit right after dashing gives +50% dodge chance and damage
glossy plaza
with the extra i-frame Ruthless Dash is the better dash than just more dashes
sullen valley
Oooh yeah
turbid needle
also correct me if wrong but i believe you can dodge (with ruthless dash) the shot that triggers ruthless dash
glossy plaza
yes, Ruthless Dash proc when you dodge basically anything
turbid needle
still switched back to regular dash because it never saves me from any of the hades spin attacks 🙃
glossy plaza
but Hades' spin attack is so easy to dodge tho, then again I got Hermes extra dashes there
sullen valley
Hades' spins is always easy to avoid with Hermes' extra dashes
glossy plaza
b4 it was harder cause he tracks you like post animations but now he aims at a spot and doesn't change so you kinda need to play the ranges
sullen valley
especially if it's Epic
glossy plaza
I can do it with just 2 dashes b4, just longer fight cause I can't reliably hit him
sullen valley
That's fair
glossy plaza
if you have 3 dashes, you can reliably just walk up to his face and smash it in and still have time to spare to dash out
2 dashes is harder only on the fact that you need to well, actually dash a bit diagonally towards him
gloomy vine
Have devs ever answered questions about whether they'd offer titan blood refunds if an aspect gets nerfed?
I get such anxiety spending my currency haha
glossy plaza
does it really matter tho? you get more than enough blood to max out all weapons if you yk, play the game xD
cause a weapon by themselves can easily fund all their aspects
you get like 40 blood total per weapon anyways
naive tusk
I haven’t paid much attention to the Titan Blood requirements but I think the 4th Aspect demanded 25 bloods total and the 1st asks for 5
The 2nd and 3rd ask for around 15-20
gloomy vine
It takes a long time to build up for tier 3 or 4 aspects full upgrade. Tier 4 sword costs 16 blood
That's 16 runs on increasing heat
glossy plaza
you get 2 blood per run
assuming you clear that is, the final boss and the Fury each drop one
gloomy vine
8 runs then. Still a lot
gloomy vine
That's a long time. What would be the harm in having this implemented? Can you give me a downside?
glossy plaza
I never said it has downsides, I only play with the aspects that I like anyways xD
turbid needle
With all five weapons cleared to 20 Heat I had about 60 TB when Nighty Night dropped.
gloomy vine
I'm just wondering why you are arguing against my question
glossy plaza
and you didn't really answer my question of "Does it really matter tho?"
naive tusk
Be nice 😦
turbid needle
There's more than enough Titan Blood to go around. I don't think refunds are necessary.
gloomy vine
Yes it matters. That's why I asked. Imagine I spend all my blood on aspect of arthur and then they change it and I don't like the change. I've lost a lot of blood for nothing. I could have spent that blood on another aspect to help me farm more blood by playing like you say
naive tusk
I’d also say that you can still clear runs without maxing an aspect. Maxing it just adds to its effects
glossy plaza
to add to that, I'd still say you really only need one aspect per weapon
turbid needle
0 Heat is very doable with a naked weapon, not even Zagreus Aspect.
glossy plaza
sure, let say they nerf Arthur's aspect, then what? can you just not farm some from other weapons and level Poisedon to farm Sword again?
naive tusk
Keepsakes will help way more to clear runs early on. Low heat can be cleared without a maxed aspect
dense locust
Its the mirror that provides a lot of the base line buffs
gloomy vine
Yes, you can do that. But it would feel bad. I just spent all my rare currency on something and then something out of my control devalued my purchase. Of course I can carry on playing but that doesn't change how it feels
glossy plaza
my main argument is that assuming they implement the refund, would they refund the blood spent on the nerfed or even buffed aspect every single time they made a change?
that is a slippery slope you are on, people will find a change disagreeable somewhere somehow someway
gloomy vine
Why would that be bad if they offered it for every change?
dense locust
Upgrade zag aspects first, aren't they 1 blood per level?
naive tusk
They are
And I agree. Investing in Zag aspects can be good early on if you are short on Blood
turbid needle
I'm not this sensitive about updates, and I would find it annoying that I had to respend all my Titan Blood any time an Aspect or Daedelus Hammer were changed.
naive tusk
Until you find an aspect you love, then you invest in that one instead
turbid needle
I'm extending this logic to Daedelus Hammers as well given how transformative a lot of them are in tandem.
gloomy vine
Schpoon I'm not saying it should be a mandatory refund. It should be opt in. If they make a change you don't like you go to the aspect screen and refund it there.
naive tusk
You mean like how the mirror was before Nighty Night?
turbid needle
Add it to #hades-feedback I guess.
gloomy vine
This is all completely hypothetical as there has not been a change thus far that I would want a refund on.
Probably will add something to feedback but not now.
dense locust
Benefits package is my new "avoid at all costs" heat when going 32
glossy plaza
huh? that is one of the easier ones tho
naive tusk
Is it?
glossy plaza
the Forced Overtime is still the most hurtful one anyways, nothing can top that +40% speed
naive tusk
Everyone has their fortes and preferences
glossy plaza
I mean my 32 heat run just above is on Benefits Package +2
earnest ravine
The randomness of it can either make it the easiest or the hardest and sometimes you get really, uh. really unlucky
Like it's nicer than having Underworld Customs on in my current attempts but sometimes I get like, the teleport one or 4 super fast enemies and it gets rough.
glossy plaza
that run was on the unlucky side even, teleporting flamewheels 3 chambers, homing Casters, and self-regenerating shield Crystals that does 2 damage per tick
dense locust
Nah, fighting teleporting shield guys in elysium that are mega buffed is hard
glossy plaza
oh and teleporting chariots
dense locust
its impossible if your main attack is at all slow and you have 2 dashes
lost 2 dds going through elysium
also they changed how rocket bomb cluster bomb works
at least I think they did
glossy plaza
I only have one dash all the way until final boss fight
dense locust
The problem with double FO and teleporting enemies is you can think you are safe and make a few attacks, and suddenly you are open to the dudes that just appeared behind you
glossy plaza
where I spent my gold to luckily get Hermes extra dashes b4 the final boss
earnest ravine
It's at least like, kinda fun to go "I wonder what this room's gonna throw at me" and is probably gonna be on my own runs for the future because. improvise adapt overcome etc.
dense locust
It's fun at lower heats, it's scary at high ones
they were correct to value it at 2 and 3 heats respectively per level
earnest ravine
II'm talking about in the context of higher heaats, yeah. it gets rough but getting able to handle it consistently iis fun.
dense locust
I think i'd rather a point in no choice instead
glossy plaza
I wouldn't know, only done 2 runs so far, and thus far it is one of the easier punishment
dense locust
if you have 2 levels in it, it can create some silly powerful monsters
like mini boss level
if the buffs stack in the right way
glossy plaza
I mean 32 heat is now hella easy with Ruthless anyways https://i.imgur.com/88fIO74.png
dense locust
Fighting against the extra speed buff WITH 2 levels in FO makes those red skeleton's purple wave like a rail gun
not in the sense of the infernal arm, but in the sense that you have about .2 seconds from when they release it to when it's clear across the level
earnest ravine
Oh! Ruthless stacks up pretty well, then? I'm too attached to my many dodges to try it out above like, 6.
glossy plaza
then just don't do Forced Overtime lmfao
Forced Overtime is the hardest punishment bar none
dense locust
I'm fine with it, but stacked with benefits package is scary
or if im using arthur aspect
Nice guan yu, were you using attack as the main source of damage
?
I will say that 2 points in benefits package is easier than 2 in FO
glossy plaza
spin, cast, attack, dash
dense locust
but don't mix them
glossy plaza
prolly spin does the most
dense locust
Nice, I only go the ranged build because the spin attack can be slow at times, but now with benefits package being able to replace FO, I can see that working
glossy plaza
because yk, I spec'd spin on my 2 hammer
dense locust
The spin attack can do insane damage, but before this update, you kinda had to go 2 points FO and it make spin attack too slow
glossy plaza
I did a 29 heat b4 the patch with no FO, double spin, it works
but just one point in FO is just so brutal, I can't get used to it
and without the extra frame on dash
dense locust
Yeah with FO you need to do hit and run tactics
the spin attack was still amazing for healing with ranged attack build
glossy plaza
I mean I tried that b4, with multi-skewer Zag spear
dense locust
but they nerfed that a bit
glossy plaza
can't do it, too much RNG, not enough damage
dense locust
since it can move through objects
Guan yu charged skewer with some chaos special damage buffs
glossy plaza
bouncing off walls is a buff rather than a nerf imo
dense locust
artemis special
it depends
if you use it solely for healing, its a nerf
because you can't just hide behind walls to restore hp
glossy plaza
I never use it for only healing, to me, spin is the only play to use GY xD
Serrated Edge is too weird b4
without the frames
dense locust
haha i gotta give it a try without FO
I remember i got to hades with it on 32 with 2 points in FO
but then got wrecked
Yeah I don't like serrated edge
Even if i hit, if they have a shield, there's a delay after my hit where i'm open
glossy plaza
Hades with FO but no Athena attack is just atrocious
kind cloud
i just got my first clear using the fists. I had dionysus attack to get stacking effect. I'm not super impressed. However, getting hammer for 1000% increase on dash strike seems to have been worth it.
But I'm not super impressed by fists because there is no AOE or range attack to it.
Folks, give your best build for the fists so far.
turbid needle
Demeter, Explosive Upper, Hunter Dash and Deadly Flourish.
glossy plaza
^
kind cloud
Which aspect of fists Schpoon?
turbid needle
Demeter.
turbid needle
You can do just about anything there, but Lightning and Hangover are both good extra DPS that don't rely on boosting Attack damage.
kind cloud
i'm just concerned about what my next run with fists will be like if i don't get the 1000% increase on dash strike against armored enemies, i think that did work against the armored enemies and then let me stun lock them
And the word "ruthless" flashed across the screen many times but I wasn't sure that I was capitalizing on the 50% increase often enough.
distant basin
Spear is still my best weapon with Flurry Jab and Aphrodite boons.
harsh hull
Does the special dash on fist count as dash strike for that 1000% damage on armor?
kind cloud
Special dash?
turbid needle
I'm actually not sure.
harsh hull
Using the special after a dash
kind cloud
oh, hmmm, yeah...good question
glossy plaza
I'd assume it isn't
wind vortex
kind cloud
woah
Have you all tried the new chaos shield? the bull rush is crazy fast
but to match, the pink stone things now fire much quicker too...
heady zephyr
One big trick with the fists is learning when to dash cancel to keep your combo going
By default there's a recovery window between combos, rolling knuckle nullifies it, but you can do the same thing by dash attacking before the last attack
surreal jolt
@kind cloud I also just got my first fist clear today, I think the weapons are OP with a simple dash and evasion boon, I also had god of wine
had a lot of trash boons and most of whats there I got in the last zone
kind cloud
i think because of ruthless dash, now every weapon can be OP with lots of dashing around. I'm testing out on higher heat to see how I like it.
dense locust
This turned out to be a fun defensive build with artemis attacks and poseidon call for damage: https://imgur.com/rWZPvNV
But is hade's spin attack dodgeable? I swear I didn't dodge it once
kind cloud
i've come to the disappointing conclusion that his spin attack is the most infuriatingly inconsistent attack
dense locust
I had 80% dodge up constantly but never dodged it
surreal jolt
it is, its just slightly slower than Minos/Theasus so the time to dodge it is very strict
surreal jolt
oh, maybe you just cant avoid it as a special mechanic
kind cloud
I've had some crazy defensive builds and I struggled to dash/deflect it even when I had lvl'd up hermes with athena dash deflect and tried nothing but dashes
no, you definitely can
it's just inconsistent as heck
i made a post last week about a healian run that i saw
i post screen grabs
it was maddening to see how inconsistent the spin attack was, haelian was escaping damage in instances where he was clearly in the path of the attack, and other times he dodged it but still took damage
dense locust
It seems unlikely that getting hit by 6-7 spin attacks with 80% dodge wouldn't dodge a single one, but maybe I missed it when I did
kind cloud
i did have a run about 3 weeks ago where i deflected it about 8-9 times in stage 1
dense locust
I'm wondering if his spin attack cannot be dodged, as in dodging through the built up evasion i had
surreal jolt
i do feel like the game does the xcom/sid myer type of % chance where even if its 95% chance, the 5% can still kill you
kind cloud
oh, so are you making a distinction between deflect and dodge @dense locust ?
i wasn't making that initially
surreal jolt
at least it feels that way to me with boon rarity, the amount of trash I get till I get past elysium sometimes even with shop %'s rare buffs and mirror buffs
dense locust
Haha, i'm making the distinction between the "dodge" mechanic that you get through second wind and lambent plume, vs dodging by avoiding his attack through dashes
My build let me have 81ish% dodge up constantly so I was constantly dash attacking him, but im pretty sure every spin attack that landed on me was not dodged through the dodge mechanic
kind cloud
yeah, my bad, i wasn't quick on the uptake...hmmm...yeah...your predicament is odd
dense locust
I'm wondering if the dodge cap is something like 60%
Because I know you cannot get 100%
I've heard its 80% but who knows
torpid abyss
So what boons work best with Malphon and Arthur so far?
harsh hull
malphon with artemis crits just wrecks
dense locust
yeah that was my last run
torpid abyss
I feel Malphon works quite nicely along Ares Curse of Agony + Dire Misfortune
dense locust
with tons of dodge, damage reduction, and poseidon call, along with boons to gain call faster
poseidon fists with the duo with zeus can be fun
or just straight zeus attacks. Demeter attacks too
I really want to try ares attack with athena dash and merciful end
torpid abyss
Malphon is the only weapon that can reliably use all gods effectively
dense locust
It feels like a close range rail
which makes me rank rail just better
but rail is my fave so im biased
dense locust
yeah
its a lot of fun
but rocket bomb cluster bomb, or rocket bomb triple bomb, with artemis....
or explosive shot demeter, plain zeus attack
lots of good stuff there
torpid abyss
Bur malphon can slap a dash strike into a combo!
dense locust
Strangely enough, half of my 10 mitten runs, I've ended up going ares cast hybrid with the new stygian cast
i like the ares dash with the extra boons because you get a lot of extra damage as you dash through everything
torpid abyss
Yeah the stygian cast is good for certain runs
For me it alone makes festive for fun to use
And i got plenty of Zeus boons too... Including the duo
mild crag
I haven't found any cap for dodge though some attacks are inherently un-dodgable @dense locust
dense locust
Someone was saying it was capped at 80, but obviously that could be completely wrong as they didn't back it up with anything
mild crag
I'm interested to see where it is if somebody mentions it again
dense locust
All i know is that with 80%+ dodge, hades spin attack must be undodgeable
mild crag
Only thing I know to be capped to 80% is God mode damage resist bonus
dense locust
or maybe it has some weird mechanic where the spin attack reduces the evasion
torpid abyss
Did you have boiling blood?
dense locust
yeah
crisp iris
Does anyone have a stats page for all of the dmg amp boons?
kind cloud
Just rocked hades on 24 heat. guy never had a chance. chaos shield is still the best weapon in the game because of its incredible versatility. btw, i stand by what i said...the bull rush (even without hammer) is incredibly fast now. took me the entire run to get used to it. i'm not sure but i think it's range might be even more now in the new update.
halcyon cedar
Demeter fist looks fun if max it with 5 hit special, 30x5 special damage with crit. 🤔 🤔 
kind cloud
Woah. what happened to the order to free sisyphus? i saved up diamonds for that and it's no longer available
crisp iris
huh
does Demeter cast only point to the right side?
for some reason I can;t seem to control the direction
dense locust
they changed bull rush?
kind cloud
Yeah man. Bull rush is incredibly fast now.
And I had the chance to upgrade to faster bullrush charge on hammer and didn't take it because the launch and slingshot was so fast
Took exploding shield of course
thorny edge
sisiphus thing was moved to the admin room
kind cloud
Ok. Thanks.
Btw, are the bounties now capped at 20 heat?
I'm getting a "no bountier for this {for now)" message on any heat above 20 heat for spear
thorny edge
i believe thats the cap
fiery shale
i thought it would feel clunky and unrewarding, and it is slow but it is quite good
feels like the only time i can justify cursed slash is with this much damage reduction
kind cloud
Thanks @thorny edge and @opal bay
Not sure why I hadn't noticed this earlier. Hmmm....
thorny edge
Arthur + shadow presence + 200% backstab hammer + artemis crit + ruthless dash
tidal thorn
@dense locust @mild crag I don't know how dodge caps but that speed runner on Twitch got over 100% dodge and still got hit.
opal bay
If you missing on some resources always can do Poseidon/Dino run to do trades with the Trader. Or do things off Fated List.
tidal thorn
heilean?
opal bay
There is a cap yeah. 80% is the cap
kind cloud
Hold up.
- You can get 100% dodge?
- And still get hit by Hades spin attack?
lol
If this is accurate, then yeah it's the most broken attack in the game.
tidal thorn
Zag mittens, dodge keepsake, and new dash was like 110% dodge. Lol
mild crag
Haelian would be the name
fiery shale
plume + zagreus fists + hermes + ruthless
mild crag
Wasn't an un-dodgable attack though was it
fiery shale
easy combination of any of those to get high dodge
opal bay
So however you may try, the dreaded cap od 80% will always be there. And supposedly he got unlucky with the spin attack. Since RNG can be like that
kind cloud
The only way I've been able to prevent the spin atack is by using the guan yu spear having athena special with 2 hammer upgrades and spamming it at hades thereby doing so much damage that he simply moves on to a new attack.
mild crag
Can somebody DM me the code that has the 80% cap
kind cloud
I guess preemption is the best way to avoid the hades spin attack then?
opal bay
Best way to avoid his attack is to perfectly know his attack moveset and double dash out the way, preferably on right or left of where Hades is facing
kind cloud
yeah, having hermes mutli-dash helps a lot for hades fight but i don't enjoy excessive dashing. example: if i have exploding shield, i need to be within range of hades when i catch the shield to inflict damage. i suppose my style is melee with limited dashing
dense locust
Does anyone know how the free nectar from treasure troves works?
Is it only for certain resources?
opal bay
It drops at random
kind cloud
unfortunately, free nectar from treasure troves doesn't level up a random boon.
mild crag
No source on 80% dodge cap then
sullen valley
Can we talk about how Hades' Casts have bloodstone symbols?
sullen valley
Heeh, it's p cool. Just thought it'd have some different kind of icon, though.
Well, then again, his Cast is just a variant of the Bloodstone I guess. If blessed by himself.
If Hades had boons he could give, what would he add?
mild crag
We have most of his powers already
Only thing we don't have is the ability to control undead wretches
His invisibility power comes from the helm of darkness
sullen valley
That's why? Huh.
mild crag
And we have his others like cast, dash and death defiance
sullen valley
If there are some similarities, there's also a few differences he has that we don't.
Whenever Hades sends out a cast before hitting something, it is not a collectible like Zagreus's bloodstones. They turn into destructibles that send out waves of damage after expiration.
In a similar vain, Hades' own Death Defiance sends out a shockwave, similar to a Revenge Boon.
sullen valley
Oh yeah, you can't just start wailing on him beforehand
sullen valley
Yeap. Though, I think that's more a property of his own weapon, much like Zagreus's ability to recall his spear, or nova slam with Stygius.
The lasers I mean.
fiery shale
okay! made it to hades with arthus aspect and cursed slash... cursed slash sucks still lol
sullen valley
Eh, it works best if you know how to dodge.
errant narwhal
mhm. But he does have them and we don’t :(( lasers when.....
sullen valley
Like, manually.
errant narwhal
y’all remember life drinker
mild crag
Yoink gigaros from Hades
fiery shale
doesn't really work nicely with arthus then since his buff area is quite small compared to hades' attacks
sullen valley
Yeaaaah, that's like Cursed Slash's only-
errant narwhal
cursed slash seems to be the new iteration of it but I haven’t tried it yet
fiery shale
so i think i'll go back to avoiding it like the plague 😂
sullen valley
wAIT, WITH ARTHUR'S ASPECT?!
errant narwhal
Life drinker was super op
sullen valley
OH DEAR GOD YOU-
mild crag
Cursed slash has a health penalty
Which makes it bad against Hades
Who can one shot you
errant narwhal
Let me see if I still have a video of me playing with it back when hydra was the final boss lol
sullen valley
And Cursed Slash is most effective with any aspect that isn't Arthur's, woah now
fiery shale
i figured i'd try it out with a ton of DR to make up for the lower health pool
still way too much of a downside
fiery shale
yeah i didn't get offered flurry or even any hermes attack boons
mild crag
But high attack speed
sullen valley
Hum
fiery shale
i would have instantly picked them but just didn't come
sullen valley
Riiiip
fiery shale
rolled hermes twice for it too
wish i could roll hammers but i guess that'd be a bit much
sullen valley
I mean...that new mirror helps, but I'm assuming you don't prefer it/can't afford it?
fiery shale
which one? rerolling boons over rolling rooms?
i'm using that one
you just can't roll hammers
only boons and the little shops
errant narwhal
https://youtu.be/j2UzsEsN2sE
Found it
I was playing horribly bc it was from a year ago, but it didn’t even matter bc I was constantly restoring health from life drinker
sullen valley
Oh yeah duh, whoop
errant narwhal
there’s a reason it was taken out of the game completely
fiery shale
i dunno. just not feeling cursed slash
errant narwhal
I do wanna try out cursed slash now tho 👀 I skipped on it yesterday
fiery shale
it's nice for anything except bosses but if you just play well.. you don't need constant healing
and in that case you have 2/5th the hp you would have for no reason
just figured i'd try it but.. meh
sullen valley
I'm pretty sure Cursed Slash + the slowest weapon in the game isn't a winning combo
It doesn't even give "+2% HP", it gives 2 total per hit.
fiery shale
i've tried it with every other aspect and found it to not be amazing
i know. yeah
it says 2hp
just figured i'd try it with the new one
lots of damage reduction makes each hitpoint healed more valuable, and it has a health buff to begin with
sullen valley
Eh, I could see being able to use Cursed Slash with the other aspects effectively since they've got more speed
fiery shale
so it looked alright on paper
lol i just see zero reason you'd want to
if you play well and carefully enough you live with the normal healing you're offered
and in that case your health pool is cucked and you gave up a hammer for no damage upgrades
sullen valley
If you're wanting to spend as cheaply as possible and/or want to favor abilities over HP, Cursed Slash could work.
Given you're able to dodge, that is.
fiery shale
and with the sword, having no built in defensiveness that hitpoint cut hurts a lot
sullen valley
It dooooesss
fiery shale
favour abilities over HP?
like if it was the shield/the spear(cough.. GY works..) which have more defensiveness and variety to how you can use each it's less of an issue
i dunno
just not a fan
i'll take my flurry slashes and shadow slash over it anyday
sullen valley
Favors abilities over HP as in, you get the choice of going to Charon for recovering HP or getting something from Ares. Although Cursed Slash is an acquired taste, I'd say, so I see the appeal in avoiding it.
fiery shale
i rarely ever use charon to recover HP as is
maybe once or twice per run at most? that's like 100~ gold or something insignificant
sullen valley
It's 50 gold, cheapest price.
fiery shale
yeah so not much
crisp iris
Excalibur is actualy insane with dmgg amp boons wtf
crisp iris
aphro and chaos is just straight up disgusting
fiery shale
the thing hits like a truck
sullen valley
I would assume it would be extremely powerful
It's got a wide slash that deals 200 at vanilla
crisp iris
I couldn't believe it when I basically was two-shotting Hydras
sullen valley
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unique plinth
which aspects should I be unlocking first
crisp iris
honestly
fiery shale
just depends what you enjoy
crisp iris
it really depends
unique plinth
I tend to like aegis the most
crisp iris
Zeus aspect seems to be the most clunky
fiery shale
what i recommend is saving some titan blood then going into the room and unlocking them willy nilly and then trying them but but don't leave the room. quit the game, then join back and you'll have your blood back so you can buy what you're actually vibing with
sullen valley
Zeus is the most clunky, but also the most potential for boosting cqc or area-control damage.
unique plinth
ah, that's a good idea, I didn't know that would work
fiery shale
ye it's what i did and i found what to prioritize that way
crisp iris
for Stygius:
if youlike combo attacks with specials Nemesis is fun
Poseidon for cast builds
Arthur for single hit dmg amp builds. This is really fun if you like to play this game like dark souls
sullen valley
Chaos Aspect is good with overall ranged damage if you already like Zagreus's special.
fiery shale
chaos aspect is ridiculous with dio
and especially dio/aphro duo
one special is 5 stacks instantly. it's real nice
unique plinth
I like the special with ares or dionysus boon on it
fiery shale
i think you will enjoy chaos then
you throw 5 shields instead of 1 on special after rushing
at max ^
crisp iris
for Varatha:
Achilles if you can get into thick of things and very confident in your ability to maneuver around projectiles and enemies
Hades if you like to to combo your spin with regular attacks
Guan Yu is for them real madlands who can spin and dodge abilities like to other
sullen valley
Chaos is also p good with Ares if you wanna handle multiple enemies at once
I mean like...really good at handling multiple enemies.
unique plinth
I bull rush a lot too, I basically hope for minotaur rush from my first hammer
crisp iris
for Aegis:
Chaos for the DOT stack build, really good with DIo and Ares, can be built with Aphro as well
Zeus is clucky, but very good if you can play zone control
sullen valley
I feel like at least one of the other weapons needs the ability to block, as well. You could straight up stand in place for as long as you like with the shield charged, and take no damage if you've fought against Undyne the Undying
I'm pretty sure I beat Hades easily on one of my first times because of the ability to block his Lasers.
Yeah, there's some pillars you can hide behind, but I didn't know that at first.
fiery shale
you can stand on him
kind cloud
what is dot stack build on chaos shield? i used to prefer ares on chaos shield but i've come to love zeus waaaay more. zeus is incredible once i have leveled up jolted with double strike chance and greater voltage (greater area), getting his legendary is icing on teh cake
sullen valley
wait what
sullen valley
y you can just do that?
sullen valley
The God of the Dead is a heccin jo-
fiery shale
@kind cloud basically use Dio with the chaos shield, get his special. that way you'll hit 5 hangover stacks with only one special
you could also do the same with ares and if you want to amp it up then say.. artemis/ares duo with artemis attack and you have good single target damage with chaos doom shields clearing the room constantly