though i agree he is super reliant on legendary
#h1-builds-and-combat
long sierra
dim rapids
if you get sea storm + splitting bolt
or fists zeus attack + splitting bolt
sure, he's op
but you first need to get the legendary
native cipher
yeah i tried that
the build was super juiced, zeus legendary, chance for extra bolt, jolted, ruptured, the whole works
but it just didnt deal any damage
long sierra
the other gods getting their legendary is like "oh sweet, this just makes me OP AF"
lusty sequoia
What do you all think of the new mirror btw
long sierra
whereas Zeus is like "oh now I actually can do damage"
dim rapids
^
native cipher
i think dionysus suffers from that more tbqh
long sierra
I'm a fan of the new perks buy and large, theyre definitely geared more towards end game runs imo
native cipher
the saving grace for zeus is the amount of duo boons he has
lusty sequoia
I think he just needs lots of poms
velvet thicket
dio is the other contender for worst god
subtle shale
Personally I think Zeus should get both lightning damage and a % bonus to your regular damage
lusty sequoia
How can he be the worst when he has the best voice acting
dim rapids
dio doesn't need legendary to be good
long sierra
I mean, I've used zeus boons often enough that I feel like I can only throw a few hundred shades on him
subtle shale
He’s supposed to be like the top God right?
long sierra
but the percent damage idea is a good one
dim rapids
you can literally clear runs with shield of chaos + dio special
dio legendary is just reliant on fog
long sierra
you can clear runs with zeus and shield special
native cipher
tbqh dio works really well with the fists
long sierra
there's a lot of viability in everything I just think poseidons combos are waaay more op than zeus
let alone arty
subtle shale
I think it would fit if Zeus were the only God who’s boons give both a flat damage effect and a %
dim rapids
poseidon is arguably the worst god in terms of damage and anti-synergy
subtle shale
No other God does that currently
dim rapids
but he enables you to clear mobs ridiculously easy
that's his strong point
(and also, farming/fishing runs)
long sierra
right but thats a quality of life
dim rapids
you can literally clear styx rooms with just 2 poseidon boons
long sierra
clearing mobs ridiculously easy isn't hard to achieve with him
native cipher
poseidons one of the most situational gods, but in the situations he's good he's the best
lusty sequoia
I feel like the mirror is a little clunky, not being able to remove darkness sucks and the key usage is just artificial
native cipher
i still consider him to be one of the best bow attacks
dim rapids
poseidon cast + wave splashing (the one that creates a watery blast)
throw your cast at enemies in styx
and watch them bounce to death
long sierra
I think the key usage was put to gate the ability to just change your mind constantly
subtle shale
I think you should be able to remove darkness as long as you haven’t confirmed your selection yet
long sierra
frankly I think they could just make everything permanent
dim rapids
heck
long sierra
you just load it all up anyway
spring mauve
@subtle shale post that to feedback I'll +1 it
lusty sequoia
Already been suggested I think
lusty sequoia
Does anyone remove darkness from the mirror
dim rapids
i've removed it once
lusty sequoia
Uhhh type ?role Early Access in the bot channel
dim rapids
but that's it
lusty sequoia
Hmm ok
native cipher
just max everything out with the hoards of darkness you have
no need to respec then
spring mauve
early game moment
lusty sequoia
I just worry that beating the game is partially a matter of just boosting your stats
long sierra
new nyx item?
tidal thorn
If you have the mirror talent for bonus damage vs undamaged enemies, do you hit armored enemies with that bonus twice? Once for full armor and once for full health?
lusty sequoia
What does the new nyx do
long sierra
oh
native cipher
yeah, havent unlocked yet
long sierra
yeah good move
dim rapids
just note that you need 8888 darkness
native cipher
but i figured she'd be the last companion
subtle shale
@spring mauve done!
long sierra
well @lusty sequoia the game is kinda a game about progressing to get more powerful to overcome greater challenge to then refine into speedruns essentially
errant narwhal
damn guan yu is scary. i beat alecto with 5 health out of 30 lol, and she stepped on a trap and died
long sierra
so like
errant narwhal
this is my second run with it
native cipher
guan yu/cursed sword is essentially making a pact with the game
long sierra
they all say they are waiting to deepen the bond
lusty sequoia
Cursed sword is super fun
native cipher
"small mistakes mean nothing, big mistakes mean a death defy"
long sierra
do i just need to talk to them 800 more times?
dim rapids
guan yu is heaviliy reliant on quick spin to be effective
errant narwhal
its sooo fun tho, super different
dim rapids
if you don't, you better hope you get charged skewer
long sierra
Guan Yu + Sutbborn defiance?
dim rapids
no
long sierra
lol
dim rapids
stubborn defiance is a trap talent
native cipher
yeah
long sierra
trap talent?
dim rapids
it helps those early in the game
long sierra
oh yeah
lusty sequoia
Noob trap
native cipher
it's like i always say, "if it costs one death defy, it's gonna cost all your death defies"
dim rapids
and you probably need more than 1 DD for bosses
errant narwhal
it does seem like stubborn defiance would be good for it tho
like, i guess, theoretically
long sierra
well most of the times you only need the death defy for maybe a bad run in elysium or tough final room in styx before bossman
dim rapids
final boss with 1 DD? i can do good runs but still, count me out i ain't taking that risk
you can get 2DD still with skelly but still
native cipher
the key is, you need to space out those "its gonna cost all your death defies" long enough for you to refill them
velvet thicket
if you have stubborn defiance with guan yu hades basically just needs to hit you twice
long sierra
i mean why not use no DD for everyone XD
dim rapids
new players use stubborn DD for early game where they can't afford 2/3 DDs
lusty sequoia
Good plan
long sierra
I'm down to 1 usually a run
dim rapids
that's honestly the only place i'd see it used
errant narwhal
i have like nothing tho bc i put everything into the rerolls and legendary chance.... and chaos didnt give me the legendary still. ;__;
turbid needle
Ok I figured out why I was confused about the excalibur dash, I got the exact dash strike dmg bonus to make regular first swing and dash strike be same dmg
dim rapids
take out the legendary/duo chance
DD is more worth than a measly 15% chance for duo/legendary
lusty sequoia
Is there any point to stubborn defiance then? Seems like it’s just there to ease progression
dim rapids
especially if you're starting out on a new weapon
errant narwhal
its not even 15
lusty sequoia
I’m not sure that’s useful
errant narwhal
its 9 pff
dim rapids
it's to ease progression
long sierra
@subtle shale you should suggest % damage modifier in feedback
dim rapids
new players can invest 600 darkness into stubbon DD
then once they have enough to buy 3 DD
then can refresh mirror
long sierra
i think that would be dope and scale weapons nicely for zerus
errant narwhal
im not playing to win tho, so idc :] just having fun and coming back to the game
lusty sequoia
Oh yeah I forgot it was expensive hey
velvet thicket
the mom is too hot
errant narwhal
as long as i beat furies its good bc thats how i get titan blood to get more aspects and upgrade them
subtle shale
@long sierra Will do! Zeus def needs a buff and I think this would also give him something unique since he'd benefit from both kinds of buffs
lusty sequoia
Just expected her to be a little more mysterious o guess
LOVE the outfit and hair though
native cipher
this tbqh
lusty sequoia
Maybe make her look a little older and kindler
Although I dunno if she should look kinder
Might just be that I expect that cos she’s nice to zag
sly marsh
zeus boons are good for normal rooms, not boss fights
native cipher
i would have preferred it if she looked shadier
lusty sequoia
Also the moon pauldrons seem excessive
sly marsh
except the call
native cipher
like, not someone you wouldn't invite into your house, but someone you would keep your hand on your wallet around just in case
native cipher
this tbh ^
lusty sequoia
Oh I thought you meant shady as in darker
lusty sequoia
I reckon making her look a little older and more mysterious, as well as changing the pauldrons would be perfect
long sierra
does jolted work on boss per second of laser?
subtle shale
Added the Zeus idea to Feedback
native cipher
if you get jolted + rupture + sea storm, you basically have a privileged status button
lusty sequoia
I mean I love hypnos design and he’s got a bedsheet for a cloak lol I love it
native cipher
i love the sleeping mask on his head
lusty sequoia
You know what it is? Nyx isn’t in enough darkness
But she’s always struck me as quite confident so that could make sense
native cipher
i was kinda hoping she'd be like chaos and have lean more on the eldrich side
native cipher
i like his goblin sash
native cipher
lusty sequoia
I mean he’s holding the earth, which ok chad move
tawny tangle
Can't get acces to feedback or suggestions so I hope this works.
native cipher
edit your roles
lusty sequoia
I interpreted the sash as like creating proto humans or something
Idk it’s cool I like chaos
glacial heath
Chaos is great
lusty sequoia
Wish they got more personality beyond trickster god
native cipher
they do from time to time
lusty sequoia
Do you have to give gifts?
native cipher
yeah
lusty sequoia
Ah
tawny tangle
It would be really nice to have the left mouse button allow continuous attacks by just holding the button. This constant clicking of the mouse is starting to give me Carpal Tunnel syndrome.
chrome geyser
Honestly, about the percentage increase in zeus is a bad idea. Zeus is an insane damage dealer to begin with.
native cipher
we were just over this
chrome geyser
Adding percent would just make zeus too good not to pick every run.
Also; all other damage dealing focused gods never include percent increase.
I know; i'm just chiming in since i'm reading it now.
native cipher
zeus' issue is that he's a ton of work for basically no payoff
chrome geyser
???
glacial heath
Jolted effect super strong
chrome geyser
What is no payoff?
spring mauve
Ok so turns out to get the green mirror upgrades you need to be able to respec
chrome geyser
Depending on what you have the lightning effect on; cold fusion usually is not needed.
native cipher
highest heat?
spring mauve
or at least in my case
I edited the files to allow myself to respec even if I had full darkness
and now I can access the green mirror stuff
finally
mighty ermine
jolted is pretty much only good with cold fusion, otherwise it's just okay and serves as half of privileged status
spring mauve
obamium
native cipher
jolted is like ruptured or exposed. you aren't taking it for what it actually does.
lusty sequoia
Wdu mean green mirror
lusty sequoia
Oh ok
spring mauve
didn't appear for me
chrome geyser
Like; if you use lightning attack on rail/mittens; you will have jolted up all the time anyway. Then cold fusion only applies to enemies that do attacks more rapidly than you; like snakestones. Which is nice; but selling it and buying the 450 (or 800~) boon from styx can net you more damage overall.
spring mauve
until I forced the game to display the respec button
lusty sequoia
I just never noticed they were green
chrome geyser
Cold fusion is awesome if your jolted comes from infrequent sources though; like dash, call or cast.
spring mauve
I thought you had to have dialogue with nyx to get it and it just wasn't unlocking for me
dim rapids
anyone know how to reunite orpheus/eurydice?
i'm not getting any new dialogue from either of them
chrome geyser
@dim rapids I'm waiting.
tidal thorn
Quick Vortex Flame Wheels. End me.
chrome geyser
Orpheus disappeared
lusty sequoia
Post in spoilers I guess
chrome geyser
Never to return
chrome geyser
Cue pyre music
lusty sequoia
Yeah I got Orpheus to 5 nectar and he’s gone
chrome geyser
But nyx joined up with chaos so there is that.
lusty sequoia
Love my boy Orpheus though
native cipher
zeus' effects require heavy investment in poms and zeus boons to come online. artemis, athena, aphrodite, and demeter don't need anything to come online. they come online out of the box. zeus comes in 2 forms: nothing but zeus boons (which still doesnt deal as much damage as artemis/aphro/athene/demeter focused builds) or yum yum, more duo boons please
chrome geyser
Also; about zeus. Insane amount of damage if you understand how he works. He is flat damage.
While feel free to disagree; but def not the case.
Base zeus is pretty strong.
lusty sequoia
How does Zeus work then? I haven’t really had a good run where I mainly got his abilities, just the cast
chrome geyser
Chain lightning is good on low damage high frequency attacks
spring mauve
I feel like poseidon ares and artemis are literally the only good boons
chrome geyser
So here is the thing; a lot of people consider poseidon to be the worst because knockback does not work against bosses.
native cipher
poseidon kinda sucks most of the time. he's situational, but excels in the situations where he's good
mighty ermine
most people understand how he works, it's just that the flat damage is vastly more useful on rapid hitting weapons. zeus pales in comparison to aphro or artemis setups on those that are more focused on bigger, slower hits
spring mauve
I never use shouts
or as they are called in game "calls"
mainly because I start a new game
and so, calls aren't unlocked
but also because I never have enough shout meter to actually use them when I want to
poseidon's call is poopy also
native cipher
poseidon's call is one of the better ones
lusty sequoia
His is the most fun wdu mean
chrome geyser
Like peeps; it's all about how a run comes together. Zeus, on rail, for example is like +150% attack damage which is insane; and introduces AoE
You can get jolted.
native cipher
its an invuln call. invuln calls are good by default.
mighty ermine
poseidon's call is great for finishing off a boss. it scales tremendously with poms, too
chrome geyser
You can get that further by the legendary but they are not neccessary.
lusty sequoia
Are poms good in general
mighty ermine
you can get up to around 500+ per hit while running around in a circle
native cipher
hard skip 9 times out of 10 tbqh
chrome geyser
Casts scale better with poms
lusty sequoia
I usually just get boons to lv 3 if it’s one I’m relying on
chrome geyser
Since poms up base damage; not the %boosts
spring mauve
depends on the boon ^
lusty sequoia
Although I did get a level 5 or 6 aphro cast and it was sick
chrome geyser
And then any % increase becomes multiplicative.
spring mauve
a boon decides how it scales with level
chrome geyser
Usually poms become very low returns of investment after lvl 3
spring mauve
you can become literally invulnerable if you have only one boon and find 10 poms
100% damage reduction below 40% health
epic one dio
abstract pilot
it's also alright on hangover since it doesn't diminish at higher levels, though i usually want a bit of max health more
chrome geyser
Damage reduction is capped at 80%
chrome geyser
Damage reduction works multiplicatively; and overall there is a hard cap of 80%
mighty ermine
you can't have complete 100% damage reduction or dodge chance
chrome geyser
In the game engine code.
It was decompiled by @sacred folio i believe (sorry for pinging you a lot; but correct me if i misquote you)
spring mauve
the code doesn't need to be decompiled
it's not compiled to begin with
only the launcher is
which just controls the contexts for error and loading
chrome geyser
There are a lot of scripts; but he said he used a decompiler to get the exact damage calculation
I'm not the modder; i'm just relaying information
Because the damage formula is not in the scripts apparently
In general; poms are not effective beyond level 3 that much. Exceptions would be things that increase in low amounts; like pressure points increase 1% per pom, or usually the hangover damage increases by 1 per pom.
Casts are different; because cast boons augment base damage of the casts.
So when you upgrade them with poms; any % effect on top of them are also enhanced; unlike attacks.
Like if you have aphrodite +100% attack boon, deal 100 damage per attack and have a chaos +100% attack boon; the % get added linearly; and overall you get 100 * (1 + 200%) = 300 damage.
And put a pom on aphrodite to get that to +110% ; now you deal 100 * (1 + 210%) = 310 damage
But with casts; lets say aphrodite cast makes your cast damage from 100 to 200. Same chaos boon on top of that; you deal 200 * (1 + 100%) = 400 damage
If a pom brings your cast damage to 210; then now you deal 210 * (1 + 100%) = 420 damage
The +10 from the pom got multiplied with the chaos boon increase.
So that's why casts usually benefit most from poms.
The generic +% are ubiquitus to get too; there are quite a lot of them which also works with the formula.
Here is the damage formula; https://hades.gamepedia.com/Damage_Calculation if anyone is interested
tidal thorn
If you have the mirror talent for bonus damage vs undamaged enemies, do you hit armored enemies with that bonus twice? Once for full armor and once for full health? I asked this before but was mid run, might have missed it.
velvet thicket
no, only once
tidal thorn
Aw.
chrome geyser
It would be a nice mechanic tbh; maybe suggest in feedback?
tidal thorn
Will do.
lament coral
@tepid nymph was that with Forced Overtime and Middle Management?
tepid nymph
Nope, I actually haven't unlocked the Pacts yet!
lament coral
they are a quite tough before you learn the pattern
chrome geyser
Oh middle management makes it run ender for sure.
lament coral
keep any eye on rock's shadow, dodge gorgon's shots, put some hurt onto her, then dash twice to reliably get away from rock's fall damage
chrome geyser
The trick is to bait the nutcracker and hash away when he's landing.
lament coral
rinse and repeat until gorgon's dead, then finish off the rock
he's relatively easy once you don't have to dodge the gorgon
chrome geyser
Try to focus on gorgon first; and try to move to her back. Her shots home but won't do a 180, and her turn rate is slow.
lament coral
do keep in mind though, she has a few shooting patterns
chrome geyser
She does? It's not always the 5 spread?
tidal thorn
Sometimes she shoots 5 but one at a time.
chrome geyser
Without the mittens; you can attack the projectiles to destroy them
sacred folio
No problem with the ping. But I'm not aware of any cap of damage reduction yet. And I'm kinda waiting for the game's following minor patches to get back into it.
lament coral
no, she can fire all 5, one by one while tracking you, or multiple and then one by one
chrome geyser
Oh yeah. She does the straight shots too
Oh i thought it was you who said there was a hard cap
Maybe i misunderstood something; or it was someone else?
lament coral
damage reduction is capped at 80%
rotund wagon
Golden touch + the purse keep sake = money
chrome geyser
@rotund wagon that is my current strategy.
I now can buy out styx; and buy a few boons on the way
Though i imagine on high heat; the +100 at the beginning probably is gonna be better.
lament coral
it absolutely is
sacred folio
People may or may not believe things without verification on the Internet. I'd like to see some kind of proof of that -- either somewhere in the source code or replicable experiment.
rotund wagon
yeah when I discovered that I imediately hear Mr. Krabs says "hello, I like money"
chrome geyser
Since you will be spending money to get powerful; and using a god keepsake to improve your build on the first floor.
Or lambent plume it the way
rotund wagon
Charon: Hello, I like money
Zag: What inspires you to put your shop right at the Temple of Styx?
Charon: Money!
chrome geyser
I don't know how to look into; and my programming interests are in other directions than Lua; so here I take your word for things WhymeLyu
Petition to have Clancy Brown as the voice actor of upcoming Charon rewamp. https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000317/
dim rapids
anyone knows how does lightning rod work if you use regenerating casts?
there's no bloodstones dropped lmao
chrome geyser
I haven't had it but i assume it just does not work
versed ibex
yeah, probably doesn't work
rotund wagon
honestlly lightnig rod seems counter inuitive to me
versed ibex
for Demeter, you can't have more than your max amount of bloodstones hanging around the arena. So if you recast, the first one disappears :( Which kind of defeats the purpose, IMO
rotund wagon
simple fix is just make it so lightning strikes those who have bloodstones in them
and it stack
versed ibex
but then it won't work with ares/dio/Demeter
rotund wagon
oop
true
both at the same times seems a bit op
as in both while in and on the ground
versed ibex
yeah, that's too OP
probably it should just be removed from the pool if you've got the regenerating casts
(idk if this is already the case)
opal lintel
I've got a question that I'm sure is old news but I can't find the answer
I have the new weapon's Aspect of Zagreus maxed but I don't notice any changes in attack speed
is this a typo like the spear aspect and it improves only special speed or dash attack speed or something like that?
does it affect attack speed in a more subtle way, such as the delay between attack strings that I just am not noticing?
or is this a bug?
I have picked up the Hermes boon for attack speed with the fists before and did notice a change, so I'm fairly confident that its not just a judgement/perception issue on my part
dim rapids
favored and envied is a new title apparently lol
also demeter legendary has a voice line when you kill bosses with it now i think?
opal lintel
(it does Genesis)
rotund wagon
lmao
I started off my run (still in Tatarus) taking Demeter rare frost strike boon
then Zeus shows up and he's like "That old woman Demeter, here, I give you this"
He gave me Epic Lightning strike to replace it
and then just before the last Tatarus chamber, Demeter shows up again and offer me a Heroic frost strike
now don't tell me that wasn't intentional
opal lintel
thta's just fate
wicked hull
"Anything you can do, I can do better" -Demeter, probably
hallow sorrel
@tepid nymph Maybe report that feedback as a bug in-game with F10?
errant narwhal
going in, lets hope that one stubborn defiance carries me
this was just a run for chaos defiance.... but i didnt see a single chaos gate. :((
errant narwhal
so lets get this mirror prophecy
opal lintel
550 HP is more than some Death Defiance runs
on top of all the invuln time you're getting
fallow niche
haelian just had the most bizarre bug 
idk what caused it but zag's model was frozen in anim while sliding around and couldn't pick up the darkness
pretty funny
chrome geyser
@versed ibex ; not true you can have two laser beams with stygian soul. Def not the case. I had a run where my way of hitting theseus was dropping two beams on each side repeatedly to counter his shield.
wraith schooner
@dim rapids i hope there is romance for artemis later
she is too cute
btw on another matter what u guys thing is the best weapon and tactic to go about doing the -1 boon for the fates
fallow niche
she will friendzone us again like || dusa || did if anything is added 😭
fallow niche
leave artemis alone my heart can't take anymore 
rancid shore
There won't be romance for artemis
wraith schooner
they dont make them overlapse with thanatos and meg
dim rapids
well (dialogue spoilers) but: ||zeus actually tries to get you and artemis together at one point but i doubt it'll work||
fallow niche
dadship ended with hades, zeus is my real dad now
neon obsidian
So question because I am struggling here, what are objectively the best boons for fat, slow hitting attacks?
Quick attacks make sense with stacking boons like demeter, dionysus, and Ares
But for big hits, what should I be doing? It seems like fast hits are objectively better because they proc more often.
Zues seems best for fast hits, Artemis seems better for fast hits because you have a higher frequency of landing a crit
So that leaves Poseidon, Athena, and Aphrodite. Just trying to gauge your guys opinion and see if I'm really off the mark
fallow niche
rancid shore
Meta spoilers from Greg (re: Artemis): ||Nope, no romance route for Artemis. It would totally violate canon myth about her, besides. You'll get to know Artemis better as part of this update and I hope you find we've done her justice.||
dim rapids
yeah and i'm pretty sure artemis would rather flock around with her nymphs
so big oof
turbid arch
What about Nyx Romance though?
mighty ermine
definitely not; nyx is too much of a motherly figure for zag considering their relationship
turbid arch
And?
mighty ermine
i mean, zag does not strike me as an oedipus-afflicted guy
turbid arch
Hard to judge considering that we never saw him interact with hjis actual mother.
mighty ermine
^
turbid arch
Nyx is not his actual mother though.
wicked hull
she still raised him
mighty ermine
you mentioned him in relation to persephone though
chrome geyser
fat slow hits benefit from +% boosts. Also from crit if it's your main source of damage. Aphrodite and Poseidon gives the best % boosts by far.
mighty ermine
that applies to your point there
rancid shore
Just because they're not biologically mother and son doesn't mean the dynamic isn't there
chrome geyser
Ares is good for slow hitting if you are not gonna invest that much
mighty ermine
and yeah, motherly figure carries the same tones as penguins states
chrome geyser
Artemis is not better for fast vs slow. Artemis is good if the bulk of your damage comes from one specific source.
lament coral
if Zag can get it on with Than, I don't see why Nyx would be out of the question
turbid arch
^
sick dome
^
rotund wagon
I mean like
chrome geyser
Vs diversified. It's the same averaged % increase wheter you hit frequently or not. Over the course of the run; the fluctuations average out.
mighty ermine
there's a different dynamic between zag and than versus zag and nyx
sick dome
Incest isn’t really a problem lol
rotund wagon
one's mother is not the worst thing
mighty ermine
i don't really sense anything romantic at all between zag and nyx; more of a familial love
errant narwhal
Zagreus thought Nyx was his mother for most of his life, and not everything that is in greek mythology (that is ancient) is in this game (that was first released last year)
rotund wagon
but yes contain the lust
chrome geyser
@rotund wagon ; Greg also answered that they are taking liberties and drawing on today's culture to make the characters relatable. And they won't explore incestual relations.
That's not what they want out of their game.
turbid arch
The Dynamik between Zag and Than is the same as the one between Persephone and Zagreus, funnily enough. The former is always being chased by the latter even though the former could not care less. Ignore the random self-insert of me disliking Thanatos Encounters there! 😄
rotund wagon
good
lament coral
Zag thought Than was his brother for most of his life, and now they "giggle" in the bedroom
chrome geyser
And directed people towards Game of Thrones for those mature/dark themes.
@lament coral ; true which i find weird.
turbid arch
Also, Meg was basicly a sister for Zagreus as well, technicly speaking. She is a daugther of Nyx and Zagreus was considered to be her son as well.
summer linden
this was frankly ridiculous https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/531858019730849802/687718620633235476/unknown.png
lament coral
what? I don't recall furies being children of Nyx in the game
chrome geyser
I think the narrative gets around that by having Nyx as the mother of pretty much everyone; but mother as in "sprang forth" rather than being born.
So they don't share kinship like born people.
summer linden
all this dodge + proccing relentless reflex. ruthless reflex? whatever the new one is called
turbid arch
The dream
chrome geyser
But that's more for #h1-discussion than #h1-builds-and-combat
errant narwhal
keep it clean, please.
spare quarry
👌
errant narwhal
you can refresh yourself on the rules in #readme-first
grand patrol
Yes, same to that. Incest is not a subject to be taken lightly- though it is in greek myth, this game tries to step around it. Please put thought and care into your public discussions, thank you!
turbid arch
Should've just let Zagreus romance Charon.
chrome geyser
@summer linden i love lambent plume
the only caveat is you want to start in tartarus usually on high heat; since hitting the target in asphodel/elysium is not always that possible depending on build.
summer linden
i beat the first form of the final boss without getting hit 😭 was close to perfecting him
chrome geyser
What is the perfected boss fight title? I defeated him the other day without getting hit and got the labet "Triathlete"
i don't know if that is that; or something else.
summer linden
that sounds like one of the speedrun titles but idk
turbid arch
I completed a run once with full HP and all DDs and it said something with "Flawless" in it
summer linden
yeah i think flawless is the no damage one
mighty ermine
flawless is for not taking a hit during the FB
chrome geyser
Hmm it was not a particularly fast run i think. But maybe that?
wicked hull
I got Triathlete from a run where I'm pretty sure I got hit by him
mighty ermine
which can still be done with acorn, etc.
turbid arch
Thing is that you actually CAN take damage.
As long as you heal yourself back up to full, all is good.
I think thats what happened there.
chrome geyser
If triathlete overrid flawless; i'm gonna be angry because I DID take no damage.
rotund wagon
any tips for 8 heat run?
mighty ermine
is triathlete win streak related, silver?
chrome geyser
I would turn on forced overtime +20% and all the bosses.
mighty ermine
was it your third win or something
summer linden
i forgot about the acorn. not that i could have switched from the feather without losing some of my insane dodge
chrome geyser
It was I think after my 100th win; because i remember seeing a title related to the 100th. I'm not sure about my streak though.
mighty ermine
because i got decathlete the other day
turbid arch
Title for 100th Victory has something with the word "cent" in it.
chrome geyser
Highest I got the plume was i think 35% (or 25%
mighty ermine
and i can't remember my streak offhand right now but it may have been a winstreak of 10
turbid arch
Yeah, something like that.
Winstreaks don't mean much to me because I do like to mix things up with higher heat every now and then.
32 Heat Excalibur is fun. Did that one first try.
mighty ermine
i do higher heat as well but they rarely break streak either way
mighty ermine
wait one million years
chrome geyser
No one knows
turbid arch
I have access to the administrative room but there ain't nothing in there.
turbid arch
Nyx said something about "when the time is right", so I tried going in there after I have been defeated by Hades once.
turbid arch
Okay.
chrome geyser
Then you can go and interact with one of the scrolls in the chamber.
Then there will be a work order to null the contract available for 3 diamonds i think.
Then orpheus will disappear; never to return.
(Well probably not really; but it has been 6 runs for me since he disappeared and haven't seen him)
dim rapids
just want to clarify, reuniting orpheus/eurydice is a totally new questline right?
chrome geyser
Yup
mighty ermine
yeah
dim rapids
... still not getting any form of dialogue/prompt for that though
turbid arch
Stars above, below the pyres burn
Who shall remain, whose freedom shall be earned?
To fly this prison never to return
Never to return
chrome geyser
You need to pour nectar on top of orpheus' face again.
turbid arch
I really would have liked for Orpheus and Eurydice to have a legendary Keepsake.
dim rapids
went to eurydice room a few times, no extra prompts
chrome geyser
Just keep talking to him, nyx and eurydice. Also with hades i think.
dim rapids
weird
turbid arch
For them always to reunite when Zagreus uses it.
dim rapids
no new dialogue from hades as well
chrome geyser
Orpheus has one
turbid arch
That would have been bittersweet romance.
chrome geyser
Oh you mean
companion
A companion that freezes everyone until you attack someone
That would be cute
mighty ermine
fidi is so cute but so bad 😔
mighty ermine
the damage from dusa's is pretty abysmal
chrome geyser
Friendly fire is fixed no?
turbid arch
@chrome geyser Is it? I haven't used it in this update yet.
Even with Nerfs, Bouldy is love.
chrome geyser
Because i think i walked into her projectiles and it did not do damage.
I think it's in the patch notes.
mighty ermine
it's okay early-game, but the others outshine fidi by a mile where it counts, especially considering how easily the projectiles are destroyed
chrome geyser
My favourite is than
turbid arch
I mean, by default, Sisyphus outshines everyone because he is the only damaging companion that works against every fight in the game.
Than feels borderline useless over how slow he is and his damage does usually not do more for you than Megs.
chrome geyser
I use them to strip styx elites of their armor; remove theseus from the fight; and maybe on mini-boss fights where I'm bad
turbid arch
Megs has more damage than Than and covers more range and is faster but works against one boss fight less.
scarlet kindle
than is really good unless you're like me and end up missing the enemy half the time
turbid arch
I usually use my legendary keepsake against 1. Miniboss, 1. Boss, 2. Boss, 3. Boss and the last one either in between or against Hades
summer linden
i like using thanatos on perseus
chrome geyser
Also she does not 1HKO theseus when he starts calling
turbid arch
When it is Sisyphus, I tend to just use him whenever I need HP.
summer linden
i just use it when he's standing still using his call lol
he's always angry about it
mighty ermine
i usually just use them all in styx chambers because i didn't bother beforehand and get some extra obol for the big boy shop, maybe save one for FB
turbid arch
It depends.
chrome geyser
now that i am grinding mitten bounties; i forgot how annoying base theseus was.
turbid arch
The Chariot face is weird when you have a slow weapon.
THAT fight is a pain with the Excalibur playstyle at times.
chrome geyser
I can't imagine doing high heat excalibur.
turbid arch
Well, without looking down on my own achievements
it's super easy, barely an inconvinience
chrome geyser
I guess my issue is only two hermes boons are gettable; and a high chance you won't get a goot attack speed boost.
chrome geyser
But it's so slow; how do you make it work with overtime?
Unless you special and bait enemies there
turbid arch
I just do it how a certain Sniper told me. I'm polite, efficient and I have a plan to kill everyone I meet.
Honestly, though, the damage and tankiness on Excalibur is good enough that with just a little bit of careful planning and play, you can just get past almost everything with relative ease.
Placing and staying in your safezone is all you need to really worry about.
You do that, you can just keep swinging for days.
Revenge counters and defensive boosters are pretty nice to have on top of it as well.
chrome geyser
I should give it a try
civic hedge
anybody else got an issue where alecto takes no damage after she goes into rage?
chrome geyser
I'm enjoying some mitten stuff more than sword; but that run i did with excalibur was fun. Slow but fun.
wicked hull
If she's in the bubble effect she's meant to be invulnerable
chrome geyser
Still yank and yeet run needs a repeat.
civic hedge
she's not in invincibility bubble. she just takes no damage at all period after
chrome geyser
Like reduced damage? Maybe you are missing a lot?
I did not have that issue at all.
If you can't deal any damage i would submit a bug report by F10
civic hedge
ok thanks
split glen
does anybody else feel like there could stand to be a couple more +1 cast sources out there in the wild?
chrome geyser
I think with stygian soul, casts and related boons are going to get a workover
About dealin with lodging and dropping etc not being set anymore.
split glen
yeah, I feel like most of the non-lodging boons really aren't great
turbid arch
The non-lodging boons are weird in that you need duoboons for all of them to really make them interesting.
pliant hazel
is support fire blacklisted when you have the gauntlets or am i just unlucky
turbid arch
Tipsy Shot -> Scintillating Feast and Iced Wine
Slicing Shot -> Hunting Blades
Crystal Laster Thingies -> Crystal Clarity
@pliant hazel Artemis has a pretty big boon pool so you might just be unlucky.
Better question! Can you get Cruel thrust with Excalibur?
I have not seen that one yet, but god knows I WANT it! I crave it, I desire it!
feral scaffold
Unlucky @pliant hazel I got it a couple times
feral scaffold
with Zagreus aspect fwiw
pliant hazel
whats the general opinion on the gauntlet aspects anyway? zagreus aspect seems not bad
split glen
talos is fun, zagreus is probably just good straight up
magnetic pull + poseidon is probably great
pliant hazel
with razor shoals, yeah?
dim rapids
demeter is the best
also just curious, chaos gates can naturally spawn in chamber 34 (literally the room before the free room)
that's normal?
frank pecan
split glen
how do spread fire and hestia aspect interact?
mighty ermine
@dim rapids yeah, chaos gates have always had that potential to extend total chamber count that way, if i'm interpreting what you mean right
dim rapids
arctic in general kinda sucks unless you can rapidly apply it
opal lintel
Hestia's empowered shot is a unique effect
like any other forge or benefit that replaces your attacks
dim rapids
killing freeze is basically put 1 chill on it every 8s or so and you have continuous dps
opal lintel
it does not shotgun
split glen
drat
opal lintel
nor does it apply any other gun forge effects afaik
split glen
that's what I thought
opal lintel
its just a single, long range, strong hit
split glen
piercing fire it is then
dim rapids
@mighty ermine oh i know that they can extend chambers lol, my highest chamber number is 72. was just curious because i haven't seen it happen in elysum till now
scarlet kindle
it is affected by piercing shot and i think explosive
opal lintel
still haven't heard any response or feedback about Zagreus Aspect fists
mighty ermine
yeah i believe i've had it happen in elysium in a previous patch before
naive tusk
The unnecessary flex though
opal lintel
what's with the attack speed on them?
naive tusk
The extra attack speed + dodge chance serves you well when you want to spam attack like Zeus attack + Support Fire or Demeters' Blast
dim rapids
double chaos gates from 2 light of ixions or erebus rooms/chaos gates before free room also works
turbid arch
Didn't they take away Spread Shot from the Hammer rails?
I seem to remember having read something like that.
chrome geyser
@opal lintel i notice the difference in attack speed between other vs zag aspect mitts
rare notch
chrome geyser
So i dunno what to say
rare notch
made it 🙂
calm sable
🎉
versed ibex
@chrome geyser are you sure you didn't have a second bloodstone?
chrome geyser
I'm sure
mighty ermine
did you get to pull off any of those wacky deflects on FB to make them take several thousand damage at once
wasn't sure if that has been fixed with the nighty night update
chrome geyser
I had runs where i had multiple stygian bloodstones; and single stygian bloodstone and i had multiple turrets up.
There is some time overlap where you can have multiple beams on screen
@mighty ermine ; it happens with unhealthy fixation
opal lintel
:\ aite I guess
chrome geyser
When you charm then deflect an attack on enemy it deals massive damage.
mighty ermine
@chrome geyser no, not necessarily. i have clips of it happening without it
i've posted it before
scarlet kindle
more important part of zag fists is the dodge chance anyways imo
chrome geyser
Maybe pressure points?
scarlet kindle
it stacks additively with other sources of dodge chance right?
chrome geyser
Multiplicative
scarlet kindle
ah ok
chrome geyser
Damage reduction and evasion stacks multiplicative
mighty ermine
it just seems to have been a weird deflect scaling interaction irt how much the FB's base attacks towards you are, i would guess. can happen with stuff as weird as the wide swing or as straightforward as smacking a skull back
bold sage
Do I need multiple levels of benefits package for shifters to start showing up? I've done multiple runs on the first level and they are the only thing I need left for the prophesy.
chrome geyser
Then all base damage increases are additive within themselves, +% are addive among themselves. Multiplicative between each, and with crits.
I don't know how much deflecting an attack amplifies the damage.
I think its fully random; but increasing it to two will make it faster to find @bold sage
versed ibex
Maybe there was a change in how it works? I played it yesterday morning but I'm pretty sure the first Demeter cast always vanished as soon as I launched it again
chrome geyser
boost chances to see it from 10% to 19% i believe?
Maybe? If i come accross it i'll test it again
bold sage
Alright, I'll keep trying for it on level 1 because I don't yet have enough heat gauge for two levels yet.
Thanks!
mighty ermine
yeah, shifters can definitely show at just first level of BP
chrome geyser
You can buff up the heat more than allowed; you will just gain the bounties for the next level rather than the high level
Like let's say you collected bounties up to 2. Doing 5 heat runs gives you the bounty for 3, not 5
If finishing the prophecy is your goal
I'm sure if you just keep doing it on level 1 you will complete it eventually.
bold sage
I know how heat works, I just prefer to raise it linearly.
chrome geyser
@turbid arch you can get darkness in chests?
referring to your feedback
I got some and healed off it yesterday
turbid arch
I think they said in the patch notes that there will be no more chests in Styx
rotund wagon
Am I missing something
I talked with Nyx and look at the parchments in the admin room
and yet I cannot find the contractor job for it
dim rapids
so i just realised
the amount of darkness on my play screen and the amount of darkness in my mirror show different amounts
is this a bug or?
mighty ermine
the most recent patch fixed a bug in which insufficient darkness was refunded, so if you did that at least once before then, maybe something wonky happened
dim rapids
well it doesn't really matter that much honestly but meh
serene nexus
Now that we’ve been playing around with the new fist weapon, have we reached a verdict about it? Trying to figure out which aspects are worth maxing
turbid needle
Malphon is awesome, every single Aspect.
serene nexus
I like Demeter a lot but trying to min max it is a pIain...
mighty ermine
the preference between them seems rather even compared to other weapons, which is a good sign. i personally like demeter the most
dim rapids
malphon feels clunky
you have to keep weaving in your special which has quite a bit of a delay
mighty ermine
you mean talos?
turbid needle
Nah, just dash before you use the fifth hit in the standing combo.
turbid needle
Gotcha.
turbid needle
My favorite build so far has been Demeter with Deadly Flourish and Explosive Upper.
mighty ermine
rapid fire explosions
turbid needle
Malphon's Dash Special is boosted from Dash Attack boons, too, so Hunter Dash and Chaos Lunge make it very powerful very quickly.
mighty ermine
i appreciate how you can dash-upper even after a dash-strike
placid path
guan yu with special dmg from artemis was nice
dim rapids
basically just slap artemis onto any multi/hard-hitting move
placid path
with the mark another enemy on top of it
turbid needle
Not anymore, which is great.
dim rapids
works with hestia
works with rockets
works with nemesis if you want even more crit chance i guess?
what i've found so far is that putting the standard safe trio always works on fists
but other than that maybe zeus on attack while aiming for legendary
ripe parrot
Whenever I run fists Art and Aphro always seems to compete over whose Attack I'll get
mighty ermine
@turbid needle not anymore in regards to what
dim rapids
artemis/aphro/athena always works on any weapon
ripe parrot
I'll pick up Art's then find a better Aphro one so switch out, then next time I run into Art she'll have one even better than the Aphro one so I switch again
dim rapids
in general you want art on special
then any other way to apply weak
then get heart rend
so you get big crits
ripe parrot
I like Art on both Special and Attack with Aphro Dash
turbid needle
They tightened the timing on Dash Attacks/Special.
You can't get two Dash variations out of one dash anymore.
chrome geyser
So malphon is extremely fun;
- Base is the most powerful i think with + attack speed and evasion
- Demeter is probably highest DPS with the 7 kick specials every now and then
- Talos is fun for repositioning. It is; and I can't stress it enough; SO GOOD with poseidon flourish.
ripe parrot
Demeter Fists with the Kick Hammer is some of the most ridiculous fun I've had in this game so far
Especially with an Art special
turbid needle
Okay, I'm pretty sure Flying Kick will safely detonate Flamewheels.
dim rapids
flying kick is kinda bad if you're up against armoured or fast hitting enemies
ripe parrot
Also I noticed on Talos aspect that if you hit Dash and Special at the same time, sometimes instead of doing the uppercut animation it'll just displace you and the enemy you're facing so that you swap sides
dim rapids
most of the time you'll trade hits
ripe parrot
Which can be useful repositioning tool when used intentionally.
dim rapids
i actually actively avoid flying kick because of this
mighty ermine
it seems to depend on the angle, i've flying kicked towards a flame wheel and gotten burned before. other times, not
ripe parrot
I'm pretty lucky typically and get the extra damage against armor boons
dim rapids
top tier is breaching knuckle
then explosive upper
then idk
maybe flying kick if you don't mind trading hits
turbid needle
Long Knuckle > Breaching Cross.
dim rapids
breaching is way better
turbid needle
Deleting armor os nice, but it doesn't help against bosses.
Well, maybe the piercing does.
turbid needle
It helps versus Hydra a little, if you're already struggling on your build.
manic ermine
Armour damage is good for speed clears
dim rapids
did you try breaching knuckle
dim rapids
it literally removes most armour in 2 hits
it's so good
makes hydra a breeze as well
it helps make some rooms a breeze
butterfly ball elite room, megagorgon room
most styx end rooms with elites
i'm not sure how consecutive knuckle works
mighty ermine
it's niche, but a generous niche at that outside of bosses, and a very, very generous bonus
turbid needle
Concentrated Knuckle adds 5 base damage to your Attack for every consecutive hit.
mighty ermine
it's not great
dim rapids
i mean does it apply if you use special
mighty ermine
adding 5 base a couple times over a full combo is really underwhelming
dim rapids
idk, i find my runs with breaching way more smooth than anything
dim rapids
because it makes specific hard rooms easier
you can stun lock enemies w/o armour
long knuckle is good in general but vs armoured enemies at high overtime or speedy enemies you might get hit
turbid needle
Long Knuckle has bigger range than just about anything except Longspears.
mighty ermine
at least long knuckle grants +20% attack damage. if it was only the QoL reach aspect i'm not sure i would bother, personally
dim rapids
yeah it does have bigger range but armoured enemies ignore hitstun right
i found that i always traded hits against armoured enemies cause of that
even with long knuckle
ripe parrot
Are you using the Ruthless dodge or the OG?
turbid needle
Always Greater Reflex.
ripe parrot
On Ruthless I find that I take a lot less damage than I normally do when I play super aggressive, praise be to that 50% Dodge chance
dim rapids
greater reflex if melee, ruthless if ranged
ripe parrot
I wish I could like, spectate some of the games that y'all have ran just to see how different our playstyles are.
Like there's a lot of differing opinions and that's interesting to me, seeing how people who think the opposite of me play the game would give me some more in depth understanding, I think.
mighty ermine
Ruthless melee with extra hermes dashes to negate the downside is a fave though
especially if athena dash is slapped on
dim rapids
until you don't get hermes dashes
mighty ermine
dash into danger, get free boosts
velvet thicket
i had completely forgotten that ruthless dash gave dodge and had been wondering why i was dodging until this exact moment
dim rapids
cause hermes wants to troll you
dim rapids
i dropped ruthless on melee because of that lol
mighty ermine
oof
velvet thicket
even in runs where i don't get hermes dashes ruthless does so much work honestly
mighty ermine
it is a noticeable boost if it stays up often, for sure
turbid needle
I think I'm over Stubborn Defiance.
Regening every room is nice, but Hades is probably taking two if you don't have a pretty baller build or you're not playing very well (which I don't always do)
earnest ravine
It's really nice in Elysium if your build is still kinda iffy by then, though. Gives more leeway if you tend to only make one or two Big mistakes, but you do gotta be more solid on the bosses.
I think I'd like it more if it interacted with the Death Defiance boosts in any actual way
mighty ermine
yeah, stubborn defiance only brought more attention to the fact that i always hoard DDs for Hades, in case i make goofs there. that's just how i treat them
earnest ravine
It IS really silly to go "oh I only have like 3 health in this room and I haven't died yet, I'm gonna die now on this last enemy and get a free heal
turbid needle
Chaos Grasp or Shot? I'm Talos Aspect with Slicing Shot.
earnest ravine
But that's kinda niche, also I like Grasp more for that
dim rapids
DD is pretty much for thesus/hades
turbid needle
I'd take the Grasp, but it's Common Slicing and Rare Shot.
dim rapids
and maybe for such rooms
turbid needle
Or Heightened Security EM Lernie.
dim rapids
earnest ravine
ohhh my god
errant narwhal
i got a pretty baller build earlier with stubborn defiance, but now that i escaped with it for the prophecy, im done with it LOL
mighty ermine
little meows are flame wheels' only redeeming factor, especially in nightmare scenarios like above
errant narwhal
look at it againnn https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/520688402958516254/687708700022145063/unknown.png
turbid needle
"Aw, kitt--NO NOT KITTY."
dim rapids
now that skelly is nerfed nut is probably best for hades even with stubborn defiance
unless he summons fast hitting mobs or chariots and your nut is wasted on them
errant narwhal
i have skelly bc its the only one i have lol...
mighty ermine
yeah i typically go either 'corn or tooth for hades, depending on how things are going
errant narwhal
i havent played much for the past 3 updates
turbid needle
50 HP less, yeah.
turbid needle
Dark Regen, however, is still amazing.
mighty ermine
i figure acorn is just better at higher heat with Hard Labor anyways, since it won't take much at all for either dad or a green pot to take away a DD as easily as an acorn charge
cthonic vitality was always super underwhelming too
it's definitely a welcome alt
dim rapids
people like dark regen?
guess i'm weird rip
i used it once and didn't like it
although it does make darkness troves heal also
mighty ermine
i'm personally not wild about it, but prefer it to cthonic 3 health per chamber
or less with pact
turbid needle
Yeah, just took an early Darkness Trove for a full heal.
dim rapids
on stretches where you don't get darkness at all
basically means 0 heal though
also you might get quite a lot of the meta-progression rooms early in tartarus where you don't need it
turbid needle
That's true.
dim rapids
and then god/gold/poms in elysum, so no heals
it's pretty inconsistent from my trying of it
turbid needle
Wish we got 100% or better, 80 always feels underwhelming from regular room drops considering they're less frequent, especially in the late game.
dim rapids
sometimes you'll get all the heals in the world
mighty ermine
it's just one of those "nice when it helps" things, while the alternative i almost never notice helping me in any meaningful way
other than being like
dim rapids
other times you get nothing
mighty ermine
oh nice the chaos gate took less health
mighty ermine
they have not mattered at all in my experience, really
ancient cloud
Would 'Sacrafice one of your defiances this run to choose all 3 boons on offer' be balanced or too good/ not good enough?
Assuming the sacrafice can't be replenished
dim rapids
honestly i'm not sure
chtonic vitality has saved me from losing some DDs sometimes
compared to if i take darkness regen
and then get no darkness
ancient cloud
You can usually buy 20 health for 25 gold before each boss
mighty ermine
eh, i've had runs where i could use a decent heal and chose to get some max health and a heal simultaneously from darkness, which is nice. could've spent at a well but didn't
i guess i just personally never had cthonic save me
DD or death-wise, or anything important
dim rapids
i go darkness farming builds sometimes and even then i don't take darkness healing
tbh i'm not sure
it's unreliable, that's my main concern i guess
lament coral
problem with the Tooth is that it starts to lose value vs the Acorn
mighty ermine
i mean, it's not like darkness is uncommon. sure, you could have an abnormal drought
but it's not like the devs included it on the premise of a player just never ever getting darkness
dim rapids
it depends on where you get your meta-progression rooms really
and whether or not you get darkness in wells/shops
also it does help that if you've cleared bounties, a boss is a big heal
lament coral
I've accumulated over 170 hours and still haven't maxed out the mirror
dim rapids
gotta do egg runs
chaos egg runs have given me some of the most wacky stuff
epic darkness boosting boons from chaos are pretty good
mighty ermine
I should try that sometime tbh. I stopped bothering with darkness or planning a run around it since I got to the tedious amounts for fated authority
lament coral
the egg is garbage
lament coral
you take the egg and see 0 Chaos gates
earnest ravine
The egg when you DO get a chaos seed is invaluable, though.
lament coral
then you do a regular run without it and see a gate every biome
earnest ravine
Like, it's ridiculous
mighty ermine
Eh I prefer not to mod for stuff myself
dim rapids
i mean if you're trying to farm darkness
chaos egg is stillt he best
no other keepsake will help you
dim rapids
fated persuasion is not a keepsake
wat
i mean yeah you can take fated persuasion + chaos egg for farming
turbid needle
Poseidon can, you can get bonus Darkness drops from some of his boons.
lament coral
the egg won't help you find Chaos
earnest ravine
Also not a keepsake.
lament coral
that's the point
dim rapids
it won't help you find chaos
but when you do find chaos
most stuff is generally good
lament coral
it's not a matter of when, it's a matter of if
dim rapids
i mean
turbid needle
Well, nothing helps Chaos spawn.
dim rapids
you don't need money bag if you literally don't buy anything but darkness
you earn more than enough gold
turbid needle
Darkness is extremely cheap.
lament coral
hm, I haven't paid attention to that
dim rapids
well nothing helps chaos gates spawn
lament coral
also, buy troves
dim rapids
but when you go into a gate w/o egg and then get a common darkness boosting room as compared to going into a gate w/ egg and then getting an epic darkness room instead
lament coral
well item spawns chaos gates
dim rapids
you'll regret it
i've been there lol
trove stuff is cheap as well
it's like, 30?
darkness in shops are like 25?
in wells they're like 20-30 or something
as long as you do gold rooms you'll be fine
turbid needle
Hello, i have been running mainly with bow, rail and chaos shield special spam. Want to try out stygian blade and the new fists. Any sugestions to playstyle? How do you avoid boing hit when going into melee range? Especially in Elysium. Have every single upgrade unlocked in dark mirror except 5k reroll one. And every keepsake unlocked aswell
turbid needle
Thats all?
dim rapids
can't really suggest much playstyles honestly, it's pretty hard to suggest that lol
earnest ravine
Figure out standard enemy patterns and know when it's safe to attack, really?
dim rapids
shield of chaos - hold down attack button i guess?
and block everything lol
athena attack/dash - deflect prevents a lot of damage
earnest ravine
Dash strike is your friend on sword, don't get bogged down in trying to standard attack all the time.
turbid needle
Well, the problem with figguring when its safe to attack in Elysium is that with underworld lackeys, their attacks tend to overlap to such an extent that there is no safe moment
dim rapids
dashing behind enemies is also pretty helpful
earnest ravine
Figure out the most safe one or whichever one puts you out of range of the others. And remember, unless you have Tight Deadline on, no one's paying you to go fast, so take it as safely as you need to.
turbid needle
Suggestion of a playstyle would be, what boons to take, keepsakes, combos etc.
earnest ravine
Also, learning to watch for when enemies flash white is like... a really valuable skill? If they aren't flashing to attack, you can get in and stunlock most enemies to make it pretty safe to stay in melee.
Oh. Then yeah, go for atena on most stuff and get a lot of status boons. Like most weapons.
dim rapids
learn the windup animations if possible as well
turbid needle
Thats pretty unspecific lol. On which attack boons focus the most, which is the best aa boon for dash attack? Ares? Aphrodite? Athena?
dim rapids
dash attack uses your attack
dash is dash
athena dash is top tier
attack - depends on build really
turbid needle
Have the game completed with 32 heat with ranged styles, so i know all of the regurlar stuff
dim rapids
athena attack is good too
turbid needle
Well, thats why i asked what boon to take for aa increase
regular attack increase*
dim rapids
in general i find that any combination of artemis/athena/aphro works well
dim rapids
varies
regarding melee
shield of chaos - athena/aphro attack, dio special, athena dash
put artemis somewhere on cast/attack/call
get deadly reversal
win
turbid needle
Not really asking for chaos, already done 32 heat run. Now stygian blade
dim rapids
poseidon - just build artemis
turbid needle
Besides. For shield, Ares special if more effective
Together with passive increase
turbid needle
Dio is good for adamant