OH YEAH Traps are HARD to see with Arthur aura down. I actually thought they disabled traps. lol
#h1-builds-and-combat
tidal thorn
versed tide
I don't know if that's good or bad
tidal thorn
Whic would be a neat idea.
ripe parrot
If it's Common and you sell it, it's usually a good idea.
hollow sorrel
It’s good for the custom punishment, because you’re often stuck selling a boon you don’t want to sell
versed tide
long story short I think blood altar thingy probably needs a change
not that gold is useless but purchase opportunities can be limited
hollow sorrel
It needs to stop maliciously picking things it knows are more valuable, and actually be random
versed tide
I would trade a bad boon for the guarantee of having a good boon in a few rooms
gold doesn't matter
gods already have boon trading option though, but gold can't buy that
maybe the good part about it is skipping rooms for shops
sacred idol
@tidal thorn traps are simply harder to see currently imo
@hollow sorrel Does it actually
I'm not sure how the thing really works, especially in data
But it does kind of always seem to have my duos
tidal thorn
I actually like the new traps. I think theyre easier to see but Arthur aura covers them really badly.
hollow sorrel
It seems like it way too often does things like “would you like to sell your duo boon, or the two prerequisite booms that will break your duo boon if you sell them”
Or would you like to sell your duo boon, your other duo boon, or your legendary boon
sacred idol
Yeah, I think it looks for tier or rarity
versed tide
I really want to know if there's anyone here who deliberately sells boons during runs (not forced by customs)
sacred idol
I find new traps to be a lot less obvious in general
The shooty darty traps just blend in now
hollow sorrel
Or how about we just pick the three boons, where if you sell any of them, it breaks privileged status
sacred idol
@versed tide I do. Very rarely, when I get greedy in Styx
hollow sorrel
Instead of actually random, where I would much more often see the utility boons, that I really don’t care as much about
stiff stone
I really want to know if there's anyone here who deliberately sells boons during runs (not forced by customs)
@versed tide I sometimes sell them if I need the obols for DD or healing
chrome geyser
@stiff stone i do
ripe parrot
The only traps that ever get me are the Spear Statues because I somehow forget they're going to stab me immediately after they've already stabbed me and keep fighting near them
inland pebble
Have anyone faced the new Erebus in Elysium?>
digital axle
what the heck
rancid shore
i sell boons
chrome geyser
sometimes i took a boon early when i had no chance; and want to clear the slots for something new.
digital axle
1000% damage to armor dashes
rancid shore
even if i dont need the money i get rid of the ones i dont use
hollow sorrel
The new fancy spike traps are harder to see
stiff stone
same
chrome geyser
Or got a duo/heroic/legendary that does not do much and i rather have those obols.
ripe parrot
I usually sell a Boon if it's just not vibing with the rest of the build.
versed tide
guess I'm the only one who doesn't yeet boons away
stiff stone
i sell duos often if I don't need them, its 400+ obols
digital axle
I keep every single boon
ripe parrot
I even goofed on an early run and sold a Boon I thought wasn't great but it was actually giving me my damage
sorry aphro
velvet thicket
i'll sometimes get a really bad boon on special or attack and sell it bc i don't want to pray for heroic rng
sacred idol
I'm greedy.
versed tide
well I try my best not to pick terrible boons anyway, so I don't have bad ones to sell, but then again the sell pool is random and I very rarely have the opportunity of selling the actual boon I want to get rid of
sacred idol
I often go for spare styx rooms instead of fighting the boss
velvet thicket
i mean sometimes you get a god and you have a choice of 3 equally bad boons
sage vale
what are you guys taking for ||excalibur|| special?
versed tide
I'll try to sell boons from now on but I'm not convinced
chrome geyser
Doom sounds good.
sacred idol
Aphro...
chrome geyser
What is the damage?
versed tide
speaking of using things, do people here actually buy charon boosts (with or without trinket)
chrome geyser
I did not check because LIT GROUND
sage vale
@chrome geyser literally all of it
ripe parrot
I buy Charon boosts all the time
chrome geyser
Aphro is like 140+ damage; similar to doom.
sage vale
im gonna try running full artemis here
sacred idol
I don't buy consumable timed buffs often
ripe parrot
Nuke Artemis heck yeah
sacred idol
Except healing
ripe parrot
I want to do that now too
velvet thicket
i'll sometimes buy the movement boost bc it's just 10. and i'll buy them in styx just in case i can get them for the dad fight
sage vale
in the first area
sacred idol
Aphro special Artemis attack for Arthur is spicy
sage vale
i take all chiron's except for troves
velvet thicket
boon rarity i'll buy if i have the prerequisites for a duo or a legendary
ripe parrot
I had Aphro Special and Ares Attack on Arthur last night
chrome geyser
I never buy jerky; unless i already have the sack and i find in a later tunnel in styx
ripe parrot
Had the Duo that keeps Doom applying on Weak targets
versed tide
I was more talking about, temporaries
velvet thicket
not actually sure if it boosts duo or legendary odds but i'm superstitious anyway
rancid shore
man i sure do love this run where i get no active boons
ripe parrot
Runs like that make me glad I have 7 rerolls
versed tide
3 rooms vs 11 rooms for consumable duration is such a massive difference
if charon actually sold his boosts in the shop 🤔
it's good having a boost for the boss but that's RNG dictating where pools spawn, and I can't keep track of the number of rooms myself
also you can cheese the charon trinket when you enter a floor by buying boosts for the next one and swapping it
sage vale
omg
versed tide
so yeah I never buy charon 3 room boosts, if you do let me know
sage vale
i'm running excalibur and artemis attack now
and i had 2 chaos gates before running out of tartarus
chrome geyser
@rancid shore you guys are getting boons?
sacred idol
"Come on, don't you guys have boons?"
sage vale
along with the demeter boon that will slowly buff my attack
sacred idol
[Blizzcon voice]
sage vale
this is gonna be... interesting
chrome geyser
I tried the memegenerator; but the websites are clunky
sacred idol
I don't want no 🅱️oons on my pizza.
grand patrol
"how can three gamers mid-elysium not have 6 boons between them"
"im- we're- the economy is in shambles"
earnest ravine
that's a mood
velvet thicket
the nasdaq, the dow jones,
chrome geyser
I think my most successful meme (that i posted last night) is this https://imgur.com/dj66VLg
daring nymph
LMFAO
ripe parrot
rip
earnest ravine
Oh my god
rancid shore
wtf you can sword special, immediately dash, and have the special go off immediately????
south flax
What do you guys think about the bow as a weapon?
carmine zinc
Does someone here know how to unlock the 4th aspect of the weapons ?
ripe parrot
You can do that with normal sword too and essentially move where it's going to be midair
rancid shore
man that should just be what the special is
velvet thicket
it's kind of what it used to be
sacred idol
Agreed, the special could be a lunge
chrome geyser
Wait, doesn't everyone do the dash special?
sacred idol
Maybe not on Arthur always but the base one definitely a lunge
rancid shore
it's not obvious that you can do it
chrome geyser
It's unusable otherwise
rancid shore
i do like that it's possible and you can change how far your special goes depending on whether you dash and how you order it but wow i wish it was a little more obvious that i could do that from the get go
south flax
You can tell me your honest opinions about the bow.
earnest ravine
The bow is really really fun and is great for burst damage
ripe parrot
Hera makes it viable
sage vale
my first run out was with the bow and i absolutely adore it
daring nymph
I think the only weapon I haven't completed a run with is bow
sage vale
aspect of hera that is
ripe parrot
My first was the Spear
ripe parrot
I actually feel bad for neglecting the Sword as long as I did lol
sage vale
my favs are bow and sword
south flax
Hera makes the bow viable?
carmine zinc
My favorite weapon is the bow so far
sage vale
bow is always viable, especially with some hammer upgrades
south flax
Do I need to beat the game to get the Hera bow?
sage vale
no you don't
velvet thicket
default bow is viable but too slow on really high heat. every weapon is viable on 0 heat or low heat
carmine zinc
How do I unlock the 4th aspect ?
sage vale
@carmine zinc depends which one but both are essentially playing until you get a prompt
Nyx prompts you with sword, Achilles with spear
carmine zinc
Oh, I see
sage vale
the only prerequisites are that you have other weapons unlocked and maybe some of the aspects
i think
sacred idol
I like the bow but my favorite way of using it was removed due to community outcry.
RIP Charged Chiron.
Your one phase volley Hades will be missed.
sacred idol
My bad. Chiron aspect
But yes, it's just that
Because people complained that their range was going away on uncharged shots
:/
So the strongest chiron hammer was removed and it doesn't have a lot of damage anymore.
sage vale
b... but...
sacred idol
F
sage vale
...you don't take charged volley to shoot uncharged specials
sacred idol
Also, I think the main attack does too little damage, personally
sage vale
why would people do that to themselves
sacred idol
Charged shot does more
sage vale
yeah but of course the range's gonna drop if you can't charge it properly
sacred idol
Although this update feels like it made charged shot have a weird startup delay?
Oh, I mean base bow attack
Power shot adds not a ton of damage to not a ton of damage
sage vale
idk to be honest i didn't pick up bow this update yet
ripe parrot
I want a hammer that turns the bow into a Gatling gun but with arrows
sacred idol
I'm not sure it actually improves DPS on normal attacks.
Given charge time
@ripe parrot flurry shot?
ripe parrot
Like that but, uh, longer
I want to unleash a billion arrows like I had Support Fire on but it's just coming from me
dim rapids
has anyone tried using the higher chance for duo/legendaries to specifically force some combos instead of +40% rare?
rancid shore
did they also nerf the chance for rares and epics? i feel like i'm not getting as many as i used to
velvet thicket
i think it's almost certainly better to use the new boon reroll to do that vs losing your 40% rare chance
dim rapids
used to be 50% i think? now it's 40% @rancid shore
rancid shore
huh okay
also i hate the spreaders that go on lava. you can't even take the lava hits to kill it with arthur sword
megagorgon also even worse with arthur. great.
rancid shore
lost all DDs to the bone snake for the first time in a while :/
rancid shore
is arthur special slower than the regular sword special?
velvet thicket
i think a little
sage vale
arthur run going well, theseus and mino dead in ~~30 seconds
ripe parrot
You can speed the animation of special by dodging at the same time
ripe parrot
Oh you're doing FO
dim rapids
pretty sure arthur will be a nightmare on speedy bois or on overtime
ripe parrot
And EM x]
dim rapids
imaginei trying to hit tiny vermin with that
rancid shore
i feel like tiny vermin FO might be easier than some things
olive ice
New weapons are so great 🙂 Some tech from slashers are surely welcome!
Dash-cancels and dash-chains are WOW
dim rapids
pretty sure if you want heat requirements
the +2 perks is free heat if you don't like overtime
also has no one tried to force duo/legendary boons with the new talent
or is +40% rare too good to give up
opal bay
I love how you can do backwards special
ripe parrot
I like OT because enemy spawns are faster and therefore I can kill them faster
I tried on a couple runs, Gene, but all the Common Boons suddenly popping up made me switch back real quick.
dim rapids
i did one full run with all the new talents
just to complete prophecy
wanted to die
lmao
good ones are the one that replaces privileged status
it's a decent option if you don't want to force 2 curses
ruthless is decent but 1 dash screws you hard on some parts
+15% gold is good as well if you save
high confidence is good as well if you can use it
rest are situational
opal bay
new ones are definitely better being mixed than all switched on
some work better with older upgrades, some fine by themselves
ripe parrot
I don't even remember which ones I switched in
dim rapids
i did all switchehd on once just for fated list
ripe parrot
I didn't realize that was a Prophecy
velvet thicket
i don't think i'll ever turn off ruthless dash
ripe parrot
That's EZ mode
dim rapids
how are we expected to reliably complete fish codex
if it includes chaos fish
lol
think i'm 150 runs in and i've only seen a chaos fish once
opal bay
new Poseidon's boon
ripe parrot
Then rely on RNG like the rest of us
rancid shore
lmao finally made it to the fight with narcissus and god that was bad
opal bay
I think that new Poseidon boon is a way of them saying "hey do runs with Poseidon to farm."
ripe parrot
wait what there's a fight with narc
I feel like I'm missing content by not maxing EM out
dim rapids
poseidon is literally the farm god
when demeter is meant to be the goddess of harvest
lmao
rancid shore
(There isn't that's just a joke about Theseus)
opal bay
Yeah and the new fish boon really be giving him more credit
Sad that's it legendary though
ripe parrot
I have found it once before in an actual run yes
clear haven
I still have no hope of hitting that legendary fish window.
velvet thicket
yeah that seems like the worst boon in the game to me
dim rapids
not sure why that boon will ever be useful
ripe parrot
I don't mind fishing minigames but I also don't care about them
dim rapids
you'll most probably get it late in your run since it's a legendary
by then there's not much stuff to fish
clear haven
Fishing, both IRL and in games, is a hateful devil that follows me everywhere.
ripe parrot
Somehow I don't know which is more boring, irl or virtual fishing.
clear haven
I thought I would maybe like it in this game, but then I found out that there's a legendary tier of fish that most humans can't get into.
ripe parrot
Does the ||waterfront at the end of Styx|| ever get a Fishing Point?
rancid shore
Thoughts from the forced overtime apologist regarding Arthur (w/ EM and FO max):
- It's okay in Tartarus
- slightly harder to use in Asphodel; basically impossible to kill anything on lava though
- EM Hydra is insane. No space to dash-spec, too slow to dodge; it's bad.
- Elysium is borderline undoable. Any attack basically guarantees a hit from an archer or a longspear if they're close enough
Maybe it was because I didn't have many boons, but I had an attack and a special and for other weapons that's enough to be doable.
velvet thicket
the first person to beat 58 heat excalibur will win a nobel peace prize
ripe parrot
It'll probably be a speedrunner tbh
clear haven
@ripe parrot I kinda doubt that, unless it's on a seed.
ripe parrot
Which it will be.
clear haven
Doesn't count then.
ripe parrot
I don't doubt it, they have some wild skips
All the runs you've done on a single seed don't count either, then!
clear haven
Even I could beat a 58 heat if I worked one seed long enough.
rancid shore
Maybe if you mean a speedrunner like a Donkey Kong 64 101% speedrunner
digital axle
ex,,, calibur?
ripe parrot
THEN DO IT
digital axle
thats the new sword?
clear haven
No. I have a life.
ripe parrot
Triple dog dare
digital axle
how do you unlock the new sword then
ripe parrot
Just do runs and talk to Nyx between them until she gives u the sleeper cell agent trigger phrase for it
wise ibex
gumi detailed-ish guide is pinned in #h1-story-discussion
dim rapids
does anyone know if there exist logs of what the gods react? i'm curious and want to read through them
wintry tusk
Twin Fists of Demeter + Artemis Boons and I'm just kicking em with 2500+ damage with one cast of Q on a very focused Q build. https://i.imgur.com/nTcUJfx.png
dapper pilot
dear GODS
wintry tusk
he's also doing a foot animation makes it all funny
opal bay
live footage of Zagreus kicking the heck out of his father.
wintry tusk
^^^
ripe parrot
The assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand, 1914 [Colorized]
dapper pilot
sticks him leggy up
sacred idol
Falcon Kick
hoary iris
That combo looks sick
sacred idol
@wintry tusk What's your entire build
tidal thorn
https://i.imgur.com/0U1t9Kk.jpg
Zoom zoom.
grand patrol
NICE
tidal thorn
Wish I got a call and Second Wind. lol
ripe parrot
Dang how did you not get the Disciple of Hermes line
grand patrol
hey, does anyone happen to have a screenshot of the other malphon aspects?
grand patrol
yeah!! thanks :>
rotund wagon
one of my luckiest run yet
you know those big ass rats that has tons of health and armor on top of it?
I poke at them against a wall like 5 times and they are dead
any other enemies I basically poke at them agasint a wall twice and they are dead
three times if they are beefy
tidal thorn
Thinking of Peter from Family Guy going "BANG! BANG! BANG!"
dim rapids
it feels pretty hard to get duos/legendaries now
wintry tusk
keep in mind my Cast applies weak that lasts 8 seconds and a freeze at the same time
so i get the punished bonus pretty much all the time
dull star
Yo has anybody here had the pleasure to do a crit Arthur run. I hit hades for about 3500 at one point
wintry tusk
Also i get them back in 3 seconds to do it again lol.
that new talent that replaces 3 charges of cast is broken
tidal thorn
Is Gods Chosen just a higher chance to get gold laurels?
wintry tusk
its greater recall in a nutshell
analog lodge
@dim rapids I agree,even when I run the increased odds it is still pretty rare
tidal thorn
I'm still running into duos about the same rate as before, and I don't run the mirror upgrade.
scarlet kindle
its not good for poseidon and hera aspects which are the best cast aspects though
it doesnt work at all with poseidon's special and doesnt let you do nearly as much burst damage with hera
lament coral
I feel like I'm seeing fewer NPC encounters with God's Chosen
wish devs clarified how it worked
dim rapids
ok apparently poseidon special on fists
makes the dead particles of enemies literally fly away
hard yeet
ripe parrot
Ooh I want Poseidon kick now
proud storm
Theres a specific kind of playthrough w/ the fists i hope to see more of soon
ripe parrot
The kick is such a fun/broken hammer
wise ibex
i had kick with hermes' special speed boost and if i tried it looked as if zag was hard flex prancing around
summer linden
did perfect catches get easier or am i just better at them now
proud storm
you probably got better
chrome geyser
@dusky hull about your post on feedback; i like how hestia works for now. You can specialize in other stuff; like aoe damage with spread fire; but you never lose your sniper shot. It is like having 3 main attack patterns. One of my most entertaining runs were using sniper shot to pick targets off at distance, then use spread fire to deal close range aoe damage, and using a rocket to deflect shots with athena.
velvet thicket
one in tartarus and one in elysium
clear haven
I've got one in asphodel.
velvet thicket
that means you missed the one in tartarus
clear haven
I'm wondering how exactly it's garunteed, is it a pseudorandom progression?
Or can I straight up miss one?
sacred idol
It isn't guaranteed. It's just highly encouraged by the RNG.
clear haven
I'm trying to decide between two mirror abilities and their alternates.
Do we know HOW highly encouraged?
It makes a difference.
turbid needle
They will show up pretty frequently until you take them.
Moreso in Elysium in my experience, but that's also anecdotal.
clear haven
Hmm.
Yeah, I don't think I've ever got through elysium.
I can't decide between better rarity+gate cycling and better rarity+offer cycling
dim rapids
you aren't guaranteed one in tartarus
you can guarantee yourself one if you spend rerolls though
but it might take quite a bit
chrome geyser
There is a gold laurel pool
Stuff you can get like hearts, gold, trial of gods, poms, boons
There is only one in the pool at the beginning of the game, and then another hammer is added when you move to elysium
And they have high priority.
So the game will try to give the hammers to you in the gold pool.
autumn bough
If you skip one, does it go back into the pool to be offered later?
chrome geyser
Yeah; the only way to remove them from the pool is to take them from the room you completed.
I got 2 hammers in elysium plenty of times.
You can't miss one and erase them.
One thing that can happen is if you ignored them all; then move to styx. You will probably see one. But not two, since the rooms on styx cannot be identical only one hammer will show up
You can still get 2 in styx using fated authority.
You can reroll a tunnel that initially was not a hammer while you are inside of it; as it will not have the restriction of "can't be a duplicate of the main hall" while you are moving through the tunnel.
Or you can collect the offered hammer, then reroll another hallway from the hub room.
sacred idol
Hngh, which aspect should I max out on fists
I want to punch things, but don't know which one I should start with.
sacred idol
Oh yeah, thicc DR stacking
sacred idol
Mmm
although I do wanna try Talos
eh, I might try talos first, then switch to demeter with the blood from talos runs
waxen furnace
Um. was it clear to any of you that Benefits Package gave all enemies armor?!
turbid needle
It does not.
waxen furnace
or more enemies than normal, at the very least
turbid needle
Nor that.
waxen furnace
every room in tartarus so far has had armored enemies
turbid needle
It only modifies Elite enemies.
waxen furnace
I've never experienced this
then what are the symbols that have appeared near room enemies, @turbid needle ?
scarlet urchin
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/616979133691592704/687402604216451082/unknown.png
well... it felt odd playing on 0 heat again..... and odder still that I lost a DD... whilst even on higher heats sometimes I lose non...
Guess It'll take some time getting used to these.
waxen furnace
They don't seem like a visual bug, as some enemies have had some quirky behavior
is it just freakish luck that I've been facing elite enemies for the first 5 rooms of this run?
turbid needle
That is Benefits Package, it modifies Elite enemies (those that are armored, have more HP, have some unique attacks).
As far as I know it shouldn't increase the amount of Elite enemies you face.
waxen furnace
I'll know more as I continue, but goddamn is this a mess
armored enemies with perks in every room so far has been brutal
even the first mini-room with your starter boon
okay, so not every enemy in every room has been Elite. but every room so far has had numerous Elite enemies
has anyone who has played with Benefits Package already around to comment?
finite violet
i've played with benefits package but only on low heat atm while practising with the fists. the elites do feel more numerous but its probably bc instead of just having more hp they have more gimmicks so stand out more?
sacred idol
@tidal thorn For extra memes: Demeter with Ravenous Will, new cast, just get free DR every 3 seconds
finite violet
elysium was painful
flamewheels with the laser perk between them all and there was a million of them
i felt like i was limboing through a laser corridor
waxen furnace
oh christ. this is going to be a painful run
finite violet
im definitely not gonna try jury summons + benefits package bc i will probably die LMAO
waxen furnace
is there a list somewhere of what all these symbols translate to?
I think there's one in the patch notes in-game, which I guess I could screenshot as reference
turbid needle
There's a Fated Prophecy list.
waxen furnace
I didn't think that list includes descriptions, though
I think in the patch notes, it does describe them
turbid needle
Ooh.
waxen furnace
the main-screen patch notes
I could be wrong
this has a text listing of them, but without the symbols
tidal thorn
Fated List has the symbols.
waxen furnace
yeah, thanks, was just looking for a non-in-game source to use as reference
languid flax
Guys, i cant seem to unlock the arthur aspect.. Got every other aspects on all weps unlocked and some maxed.. I've been dying and coming back to talk to nyx for the past hour now.. Still nothing
waxen furnace
but a screenshot will do, once I'm out of this run
turbid needle
Useful altogether, a little annoying that we have to cross-reference multiple lists.
tidal thorn
She has a bunch of new dialog, keep talking to her.
languid flax
So its past all of the new lore dialogue ?
turbid needle
I had it towards the front end of the new dialogue.
unkempt pagoda
i got it like after two runs and i had already exhausted the old dialogue beforehand
languid flax
Hmm.. Ok, ill keep at it.. Is there a way to keep talking to her aside from going out on escape attempts and coming back either victorious or dead ?
velvet thicket
do you have guan yu unlocked and do you have 5 blood invested in the sword
languid flax
guan yu yes, 5 blood on sword.. no ? is that a requirement ? i just have sword aspects all at lvl 1.. so i guess 4 blood spent
waxen furnace
the first time Benefits Package spawned a ton of tiny "that one's REGENERATING"s from one mob... my heart sank
naive tusk
OMG Marah gave me an idea to kill some time
waxen furnace
I don't think I've seen many armored enemies in the first room of elysium. thought they started coming later
oh?
naive tusk
I will just mix both icons and info together to know what each perk of Benefits Package does
waxen furnace
that would be a huge service 🙂
split glen
how's the aspect of talos
waxen furnace
Popper shades are brutal. I do not like this
foggy egret
So, a question. I've had Trippy Shot and Flurry Cast together in a run 2 times now and each time when I got to Styx the fire in rapid succession perk just kinda,, disappeared. I had to fire each shot separately again, as though the boon was gone even though I could still see it on my list. Is this a bug?
final warren
How do you use discord to post screens?
turbid needle
Get an image link (elsewhere on Discord, imgur, Gyazo), then post it here.
final warren
Where is it on Discord? Ive used imgur, but I see people using a discord html
final warren
Like that haha
naive tusk
Post the image on another server or the like, then copy the link and paste it here 🙂
You're welcome ❤️
turbid needle
Heartful Peach is the hero we need and deserve. 
waxen furnace
@final warren I like imgbb for uploads
final warren
A run so fun that it needs two screenies. I got a biiiiit carried away against Hades. This run was so damn fun this is the first time I am ever posting a victory haha.
waxen furnace
paste image while on the webpage, link
naive tusk
Hi Kopek ❤️
sacred idol
Apparently Benefits Package is slightly... overtuned.
prime knoll
I started to play before work, and then my power went out. 😂
sacred idol
Sounds fun, but a few of them appear to be a bit broken.
prime knoll
I guess I'll have to see for myself. I'm mainly interested in enemy variety
final warren
final warren
Discord slowed my roll so the one above plus that
wow it was so much punchy fun
with a cast build
Breaching Cross is stupid fun
final warren
Its a lot of fun with zeus
green sable
im almost agreeing there
final warren
Just.... punch the crap out of everyone and lightening.... everywheree
dapper pilot
ooooooh yes. i had a lot of fun with that one.
sacred idol
RIP the gold urn
gray lintel
so like dumb idea things
there is a sword that knocks gems out of enemies they hit
what happens if you use the recharging gems thing with it
wintry tusk
south flax
Since when do you need 20 keys to unlock additional mirror talents?
wintry tusk
does this mean i wont get coins in the final boss?
"ill pay you no quarter" is now on point
rancid shore
you can still do that if you take bouldy :^)
wintry tusk
oh 
naive tusk
Wooo Broken Resolve new icon, hearty hype 💗
rancid shore
- Fixed Skelly sometimes talking while Skelly was already in the middle of talking
lmao this is such a skelly thing to do
dull scroll
Such a blessed run. Early crop with arty special buff. So much fun https://i.imgur.com/ygNfI9X.jpg
with demeter fists
sullen valley
If there's one issue about homing projectiles that I fire:
dense spruce
if you complete a weapon with higher heat, will you get previous heat rewards?
sullen valley
"Aight just gonna hit the enemy from that way, oops, I accidentally hit the farther enemy rIGHT BEHIND ME that I wasn't aIMING FOR-"
south flax
Is there a way to keep striking by holding down attack?
spring mauve
how do you ensure you unlock the green version of the meta upgrades?
I got it on my first save file but I can't get it on second for some reason
turbid needle
In the Mirror of Night?
sacred idol
If they're not already there, you need to talk to nyx more
sacred idol
Beat final boss
turbid needle
Spend Titan Blood to unlock their Aspects.
spring mauve
you get titan blood if you beat the first boss
sacred idol
Does that auto unlock usage? I forget
spring mauve
but that doesn't mean you can use it, right now I have 15 and I have never used it
sacred idol
Ah. Yeah, no, I think you have to beat the final boss once to use the blood
south flax
I have Titan Blood but I don't know how to spend it?
spring mauve
I have and can't use it
south flax
Alright, thanks.
sacred idol
Weird.
south flax
Yea, I have the same 'issue'.
sacred idol
Should happen in a few more runs...
spring mauve
I kinda don't like how all the progression needs to be marched by dying a bunch
sacred idol
Either win more or die more? It's probably a conversation with someone.
You can progress by winning a bunch too
spring mauve
wish you could just win the game once/twice and everything queued to unlock would just unlock already
south flax
I don't recall needing 20 keys to unlock more stuff in the mirror either, but my memory might be foggy.
sacred idol
that's always been the case
spring mauve
but why if you've met all the requirements should something just not unlock because it decides not to?
vague hearth
Ikr
south flax
Thanks again. <3
sacred idol
@spring mauve Because progression is related to the story, and if you could literally just do max heat and unlock everything at once, there would be zero replayability.
spring mauve
the replayability should be a function of all the unique and interesting things that can happen without needing to stunt progress
sacred idol
I mean, the game is literally sold as a videogame about dying and repeating ¯_(ツ)_/¯
so uh... yeah, game is exactly what is advertised.
rancid shore
@wet dagger @stray karma
I just want the two of you to know that I don't mean they look better than how they looked in the long winter update. I mean they look better relative to yesterday.
spring mauve
it's still going to take you a few runs to get everything purchase wise
but I just wish like, the lounge would appear death 2 if you reached ||cerberus||
I like to restart completely with roguelikes and try to get the progression retracked
and etc
still idol
wow, good that i only was on heat 2 with Benefit package, 5x more health on armored enemies was crippling 
spring mauve
what does heat do exactly? I haven't actually used any of the plan settings
balmy crown
It pretty much says minotaur's robustness
still idol
there is a lo of things, but the goal is to up difficulty
rancid shore
In English I'm p sure that said "Minotaur's Toughness"
rancid shore
for 400 or over probably
still idol
yeeah, saw that, it was wild run before 😄 @sacred idol
dim rapids
is regenerating bloodstones any good in general? excluding obvious stuff like hera bow
sullen valley
ohmigosh Hades and the shade lines actually respond to one another
hasty flint
Is it just me or is it downright impossible to beat a run using the new mirror benefits
sullen valley
All of them or a select few of them?
hasty flint
All of them
austere python
I use many of them and it's ok but there are a few that are a bit tricky
austere python
yeah I would go shield of chaos too
hasty flint
I've been running zero heat with the shield and haven't been able to do it
mostly because of Stubborn Defiance
keen pine
bois i got the nuttiest run ever
left timber
divine dash synergises a little too well with ruthless reflex
austere python
I never play on 0 heat anymore
keen pine
can i share a screenshot?
still idol
i'm not sure if you are the best litmus test of how good those are 😄 @dim rapids
hasty flint
I'm only doing zero heat because of how hard it is for me to play with the benefits
dim rapids
well i'd argue that you can easily win most runs with shield of chaos though
still idol
nobody disagrees
dim rapids
play super defensively, that's pretty much it
and get used to common boons for the run
which is why i went shield of chaos dio special aphro attack
pretty standard cookie cutter build
keen pine
I g ht, I used Aspect of Hera and basically 5 shotted Hades
hasty flint
I did get Theseus and Minos down to half health both in the same hit
sacred idol
@hasty flint I beat one with Eris rail and 10 heat, fairly easily.
It's really all down to how you play and how lucky you are in the run
I got... very lucky
hasty flint
because I used my companion trinket for the first hit and that one benefit amped the damage because they were undamaged
sullen valley
That's a big oof
sacred idol
Wait. I may have done Chaos shield?
Yeah no not rail, Chaos shield, but I got lucky
the Stubborn Defiance sucked but I got it done
sacred idol
Common boons is fine if you get a lot of duos.
heavy shuttle
is there any indication of what specifically counts as a dash-strike for the purposes of boons that improve it? it is strictly just dash and attack, or do other moves count when used with a dash? i'm asking mainly about the dash you can do with the spear spin or dashing mid-combo before the sword sweep
sacred idol
again, I just got exceptionally lucky with my Dionysus combo
Ice Wine, Scintillating Feast, Cold Fusion.
Game changing.
Demeter attack, Dio special and cast, Zeus dash
dim rapids
i'm honestly not sure how much the 15% bonus to duo/legendary really affects it though
dim rapids
might be good if you're aiming for specifically lower chance ones like merciful end
heavy shuttle
also the rail is my best weapon lol, the hestia aspect is extremely good
still idol
15% is.... not much
especially given how hard it is to meet requirements in the first place
dim rapids
has anyone here tried the regenerating bloodstones?
still idol
accidentaly used it with Hera bow 🤷♂️
dim rapids
oof on hera bow lmao
sacred idol
because stubborn defiance does suck on hades
in the end I had to run away like a coward and spam ice wines at his face
dim rapids
is 3s regen more dps than just throwing all ice wine charges in a row though
sacred idol
Literally just kiting him behind a pillar, over and over
It's not more DPS, but it saves you having to RUN BACK TOWARD HIM to get the cast.
LOL
I was nearly dead
dim rapids
true
sacred idol
So I went chicken mode and pelted him with ice from long range
dim rapids
i do know that it synergises pretty well with +1 bloodstone chaos boon
and artemis legendary
heavy shuttle
i like the regenerating bloodstones, but it does make casts like blade rifts or demeter lasers a bit weaker imo
dim rapids
saw a run where it was auto regen cast
5 bloodstones
crystal clarity
5 lasers every 3s
still idol
grabbing that legendary might be really hard after the update
turbid needle
I have taken the laser cast boon from demeter, does the 61% cast damage from chaos' abyssal shot work with that?
dim rapids
yeah
sullen valley
Pretty sure it should, I don't see why not
lament coral
you just get 61% of 9 damage or something
dim rapids
so you go for +15% duo/legendary that way
turbid needle
well, it's not the cast per se dealing damage, it's a thing it spawns 🤷♂️
dim rapids
because demeter cast doesn't really care about rarity
jagged canopy
arthur aspect is.. interesting
dim rapids
under those conditions it's good
jagged canopy
not sure how I'd work on 40% force overtime
lament coral
the cast still does damage
turbid needle
so it affects the cast not the laser then?
still idol
not sure if i want to start with 1 bloodstone and demeter cast 😒
turbid needle
lel wouldn't have confused me if you didn't say the cast still does damage.... makes it sound like i can still throw the cast and hurt someone aside from throwing it at noone and spawning the laser
dim rapids
i'm struggling with 20% overtime on fists
tawny quest
green cast on nyx mirror is surprisingly fun
lament coral
...the laser is the cast
tawny quest
i thought i messed up
turbid needle
yeah yeah okay.
dim rapids
if you don't have athena
lament coral
and the laser does damage
dim rapids
you''re gonna eat crap on fists
tawny quest
and then put 4 casts into hades
lament coral
so things that increase cast damage increase laser's damage
sullen valley
For a quick DPS weapon, the gauntlets are pretty slower paced.
lament coral
it's weird
sullen valley
Short range, thin damage radius,
lament coral
fists make me wish we could have 3 hammers at once
so you could take longer fist, fist dash, and consecutive hits
combine that with Arty dash and you got +100% damage
actually, wait
long fist and fist dash is enough
tawny quest
two words
lament coral
I'm just dumb
sullen valley
it's abilities seem geared toward more dashing and quick stuff, but it's strengths lies in sitting still.
tawny quest
long knuckle
crude wind
The Arthur aspect is really good i couldn't beat hades with the sword until i got it 
tawny quest
sword is just a funky weapon
lament coral
long fist > long knuckle
tawny quest
i never liked it
lament coral
& Knuckles
still idol
i'll need like 10 runs before Nyx finally goes through all the story lines and gimme that sword 😒
lament coral
@still idol they added even more lines in today's patch
I can't get the sword either because she talks about other stuff, or just isn't there
still idol
dim rapids
honestly the fist special feels clunky and awkward to use for KB&M
targetting is weird
spring mauve
I agree
lament coral
has nothing to do with your controller
lament coral
free advice
tawny quest
nyx aint giving me the damn swerd
lament coral
you can change your controls in...controls
spring mauve
not on a per weapon basis
dim rapids
i got the sword but i'm not getting progression regarding reuniting orpheus and eurydice lmao
lament coral
like what I did, by having special on my right click and cast on Q
tawny quest
the contracts also disappeared from the renovator
lament coral
feels much better
tawny quest
rip my sisy quest
dim rapids
sisyphus' contract disappeared
spring mauve
has anyone actually used a shout before?
lament coral
his quest was modified
dim rapids
weirdly
spring mauve
I can never get enough of the juice in the meter when I actually want to use it
lament coral
it's longer now if you haven't completed it
lament coral
¯_(ツ)_/¯
tawny quest
fking diamond grind is painful
still idol
Bouldy confirmed OP
lament coral
they keep nerfing Bouldy without buffing the other companions
lament coral
that's not how you make people use the worse companions
lament coral
good luck using her against Hades
lament coral
upload elsewhere, like imgur
tawny quest
hmm
lament coral
and post a direct link
lament coral
does he?
sacred idol
I also suggested that one, and it went in
lament coral
oh, just shields, not armor
dim rapids
he ignores shieldbearers/thesus
so now you can just straight up chunk him
though i think meg is still better?
sacred idol
oh I've killed theseus with bouldy, just... a little while ago actually
dim rapids
yeah you can kill thesus with bouldy
spring mauve
wait you can get companions? xd
dim rapids
in fact i always drop a boulder on him lmao
left timber
last stand doesn't actually add one more stubborn defiance use per chamber does it
hallow sorrel
I've heard of the contracts disappearing before. Have you reported the issue, @tawny quest ?
dim rapids
how does sisyphus quest even work now
hallow sorrel
Cool
still idol
probably even more waiting for rolling correct lines
dim rapids
oh god
lament coral
@spring mauve this channel is full of spoilers, beware
still idol
but which one @dim rapids
dim rapids
???
spring mauve
Oh I don't care about spoilers
still idol
which god :d
lament coral
Snape kills Dumbledore
spring mauve
oh my god
hallow sorrel
Perhaps such conversation should be moved to the spoiler channel, however. 😛
tawny quest
@spring mauve after giving enough ambrosia to certain characters
lament coral
sacred idol
Rosebud was his sled
tawny quest
uhh
@lament coral how did they change sisy quest
put it between || || spoiler marks
i found him
just want to know what to do now
surreal jolt
finally beat Hades, 17 hours in, though about 2-3 hours were afk!
i feel like i cheesed him though :<
quaint gazelle
astral fjord
is it just me or does the final boss tankier than ever before?
tawny hare
so, with the update, what is consider the best weapons?
surreal jolt
I had the poseidon cast, with Rupture. Then I got another ability that shot a 2nd cast but weaker cast with my regular cast. I had a chaos portal that cast me 2 charges of cast, and then in the final shop area I got offered an ability that gave me +3 charges of cast for a total of 5. I would just spam the cast and it would do a ton of damage, plus damage from him running around. I even got super lucky and got an extra boon that hurt them when the cast would dislodge. I had like 10 lodged into hades at al times since I would 10 shots before it would recharge, infinite ammo basically.
sacred idol
yeah, that's... a nice build
surreal jolt
i would just dash and cast, got hit a few times but I did the whole temple almost without getting hit because of the spam power. I learned to just hoard and get lots of money and let the shops boost my power instead of looking to rooms with boons because I get junk too often.
really cool you get a weapon for beating him though, i bet this rail gun is sick
and now i can finally upgrade my weapons using all that blood i had lying around
tawny quest
thats a good build
@tawny hare that question depends on your playstyle
if you like range
do maxed out hestia with crit
tawny hare
did they nerf shield?
tawny quest
nah
spring mauve
shield with the throw upgrade is better than bow imo
cus you don't get hit while trying to shoot
tawny quest
oOf
kinda like nyx just doesnt want me to use arthur
almost every weapon has a way to make it work
spring mauve
nyx doesn't want me to have green upgrades
still idol
you save file sounds super borked
tawny quest
like guan yu is bonkers with demeter attack/artemis attack and quick spin
surreal jolt
ive gotten hades down to half twice in his 2nd phase with a invul shield build and the new fists, but never quite there, but my new money strat and focusing more on poseidon rather than Wine God and Arrow God should get me more consistent temple runs. Relying on crit just makes me too weak
iron shale
why combo dionysus with artemis
🤔
rather try demeter or aphrodite on the attack
and artemis on special
surreal jolt
the cloud ability that stuns and keeps them in place while i wail on them
i use dionysus to make my cast actually do something and i grab about everything else from artemis like the crit chance and dmg increases
turbid needle
A nerf, actually.
tawny quest
with nothing but quick spin and demeter attack
surreal jolt
i highly prefer athena and zeus, but poseidon really won me over, every other god is low tier to me now tbh other than winter lady cause ive never had her outside the laser cast attack.
pure junco
Guan Yu is just strong
tawny quest
(then again it was a level 5 demeter attack)
turbid needle
Oh, yeah, Quick Spin Guan Yu is nuts.
pure junco
Pls, does anybody know if delta chamber works with Hestia?
turbid needle
It does.
heavy shuttle
it works with hestia but the power shot is separate from the burst iirc
pure junco
POG
turbid needle
You have to manually reload.
sacred idol
@pure ice You can attack projectiles to remove them...
heavy shuttle
same with the spread shot
sacred idol
Delta Chamber is better on Eris.
I thought it sucked, but apparently not when dashing
turbid needle
Don't screw it up, I've thrown runs with Hunting Blades before, just kept running into enemy attacks.
sullen valley
alright so uh i experienced one of those new "armored unit powerups" and uh
pure junco
What's that?
sullen valley
It's one of the ||Pact of Punishment conditions||
pure junco
Oh, I have that on.
sullen valley
I'm not sure how to feel when I see an Exalted multiply into a bunch of explosives, though...
tawny quest
lol
sullen valley
Heccin kept my distance from those chariot things because of that, afraid im gonna punch one of their armor health down until they explode like a cat
lucid umbra
why do those awful things meow anyways
turbid needle
So the lore is that the Nemean Chariots have absorbed some of the essence of the Nemean Lion.
The Flamewheels are smaller chariots, therefore cats.
lucid umbra
ah, I thought it might've been a jojo reference
spring mauve
is jojo a reference to the source material?
turbid needle
Nah, any time you get Rolling Knuckle and start shouting "ORAORAORAORA" is a Jojo reference.
wicked hull
this patch also has The World with the Arthur special
sacred idol
it's good
tawny quest
i have it
kinda jank to use
but then again im using guan
so its for nothing but the achievo
this thing half hit hades in the middle of athena call
i literally just sat there spamming spin
gentle palm
🅱️reddy gud https://prnt.sc/rf0j7j
spare quarry
do i need to finish a run to make the new weapon show up?
waxen furnace
whenever I look at the -feedback channel, I'm torn between "I'm so glad so many people have suggestions!" and "dear god, please do some research/don't send in a tenth bit of separate feedback today"
remote badger
I just needed to die once, before the twin-fists showed up
waxen furnace
the thumbs up/down system is really good to have though
analog lodge
To be honest, it is right after a major patch, so I would be surprised if there WASN'T a lot of feedback
lusty halo
so apparently demeter's winter harvest works on hades? it's a really cool interaction
unkempt pagoda
works on all bosses! and has a really cool animation
waxen furnace
right after a major patch is both the best and worst time to be giving feedback
I feel like bug fixes/etc are best delivered ASAP
lusty halo
also, fully loaded + ice wine + dual shot is just obscene. i also happened to get braid of atlas in last satyr tunnel, and it's dummy strong
waxen furnace
kneejerk reactions can be dangerous/off the mark often, though
analog lodge
People probably would not run winter harvest if it could not kill bosses
waxen furnace
idk, depends on the other choices really
lusty halo
i just wasn't expecting the line, that was cool
waxen furnace
"all non-bosses have 10% less health" is still an appealing option
depending on your heat choices/etc
unkempt pagoda
it's an explosion when things die like dying lament, except it also chops 10% health off of everything
analog lodge
@lusty halo Fully loaded + dual shot + ANY cast is obscene damage, doesn't need to be ice wine
unkempt pagoda
ice wine is extra obscene
analog lodge
Still isn't [Hunting Blades] though
lusty halo
yeah, but with the reloadable cast and hermes you can just stand with your button pressed and they just die
waxen furnace
anecdotally, it feels like boon rarity has been reined in a bit this patch
analog lodge
@violet bolt boons are usually no-rarity, mirror increases rarity rate.
lusty halo
@violet bolt nope, try to take god's keepsakes
violet bolt
i have those upgraded tho
waxen furnace
seeing a decent amount more commons than I remember
analog lodge
That would do it
scarlet kindle
demeter aspect is even better than i thought
since its multiple hits rather than 1 big one, it can instakill enemies through armor
violet bolt
why would they make it so u cant get rare and epic tho
analog lodge
Yeah demeter aspect is one shot city
waxen furnace
I've been really enjoying talos aspect
don't want to invest in dem until I see how I like excal, but nyx is in hiding
I think I want to try dio attack + aphro special on talos fists next
sorta a waste of half of the talos buff to use dio attack, tbough
I really liked arte attack + aphro special
twilit stag
Excalibur seems like poop but demeter claws are very good
twilit stag
I guess excalibur is good at low heat because it basically translates to free wins as you facetank everything
waxen furnace
although I can't say I ever felt like zeus attack on rail was as broken as everybody seemed to tell me it was. seemed good, but maybe I just never got the zeus boon ball rolling
long sierra
the changes to snowburst now act as though you cast by loading up aspect of hera instead of when it hits target
violet bolt
zeus anything is bad
long sierra
but for all other cast related items for bow it doesnt treat loading as casting
why this discrepency?
analog lodge
Sadly zagras gloves are rather weak, at only 15% dodge and attack speed. Even if you are to add both of those together it comes to only 30% total buffs, which is rather low when compared to everything else the gloves can do. Still I suppose not all aspects are going to be good.
twilit stag
Zeus only good boon is the one that boosts damage after call
and the poseidon duo I guess 🤔
analog lodge
@violet bolt Rail, its attack is 10 per hit, meaning that zues adding 15 on to it is a higher buff than any of the other gods.
(on anything else it is a bad boon)
violet bolt
sure
gentle palm
Zeus on Rail is just casually double your DPS
analog lodge
Its zues SPECIAL that needs a buff
gentle palm
https://prnt.sc/rf0zw0 Also yay my highest winstreak yet
gloomy vine
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/777373626976610096/86F45AFAA0FA1B9C294187A47899121D54C7EC41/
My first game with the claws. Was ridiculously fun. First boon I got was epic ares strike and then immediately after got offered heroic zeus strike. Then went all in on attack speed and lightning effects. Very fun. I think the claws are going to be a good weapon.
iron shale
@twilit stag yeah same i love demeter fists usually with artemis on special
@waxen furnace funniest build on talos for me was poseidon special since you basically stunlock enemies just with that
waxen furnace
isn't knocking people away a tad counterproductive?
iron shale
nah
waxen furnace
I guess it means you can then just special spam...
analog lodge
The true power of Zeus is in his Duo boons, with game defining boons such as sea storm, vengeful mood, lightning rod, cold fusion and scintillating feast - there are a lot of gods he synergises VERY well with
iron shale
and they cant attack
or move
xD
and yeah special spam
then you just need somethign deece to kill bosses
iron shale
lightning pog 
twilit stag
which only got worse in this update
iron shale
yeah
waxen furnace
why did it get worse?
iron shale
i assume the new mirror talent
twilit stag
there's a mirror option that makes the casts not drop on the floor
long sierra
I generally also avoid zeus boons bc I feel like they rarely offer me the dps i want save for niche runs
waxen furnace
OH my I got lightning rod and sea storm mixed up
iron shale
i like zeus as support for builds
waxen furnace
was wondering why sea storm was suddenly bad... it seemed great to me
spare quarry
i mainly aim for ice wine each run
long sierra
new dash ability is killing me...going back to 1 dash from 2 is actually quite hard XD
gloomy vine
well lightning rod is only worse if you choose that mirror upgrade right. like actually thinking about it there are plenty of boons that get better or worse based on what mirror upgrades you take
left timber
where has ruthless reflex been all my life
iron shale
what was that one ?
gloomy vine
damage on timed dodge
iron shale
ah
analog lodge
Ok, maybe I wasn't thinking when I listed lightning rod, but Zeus being a god with 4 very powerful Duo boons is not something to scoff at - they can't all be Aphro
long sierra
but if youre a scrub like me who reflexively used 2 dodges instead of one you get stuck in bad habits
iron shale
but yeah it sounds really good
left timber
please don't reduce the radius you can dodge projectiles at and still activate the effect
fossil wing
@woven island In regards to your #hades-feedback: we read everything written in that channel and consider it all as part of our plans.
iron shale
👋
twilit stag
Demeter is the new aphro imo
long sierra
I think the key is just uptime, right? If you can regularly proc the dodge boost then it is great