h1-builds-and-combat

[sacred idol]

only thing is, it's slow as balls

Which aspect should I max...

also is Arthur worth unranked

[static mason]

I just got over 1000 damage with the arthur aspect

[sacred idol]

@small gorge I already suggested that above, btw

[static mason]

it was glorious

[sacred idol]

like 5 hits = +2 special, 10 hits = +4 special, 15 hits = +4 and one bigger hit

Hammers for Arthur?

[small gorge]

maybe faster atk for arthur

[sacred idol]

Double Edge or Double Nova

is what I have so far

[small gorge]

just do 1k damage with fist

omg

fewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

[sacred idol]

Which one should I get?

[small gorge]

double edge with arthur

[sacred idol]

hmm

planning to get doom on special anyway

so yeah, double edge it is

[small gorge]

double nova not do so much

like 1 arthur and 1 normal nova

[hoary jewel]

Trying out the Guan Yu aspect for the first time and picked up the Life Affirmation boon from Aphrodite (increased total life gain from chamber rewards) which I thought would offset the innate decrease from the aspect itself, however the rewards didn't increase at all. Intended?

[hoary jewel]

I've now also picked up Nourished Soul from Poseidon (increased healing), and this one did in fact increase the amount of healing I receive. Seems a bit of a discrepancy there?

[sacred idol]

F10 that

[hoary jewel]

Gladly, where should I submit them?

Dropping them in here doesn't seem to work

[sacred idol]

@hoary jewel F10 in game.

also, lol, 2826 crit on arthur aspect, nice

shadow slash is a bit of a meme, but when it works... okay.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/198553698450800640/687263375344009236/unknown.png right before the boss of elysium

[turbid needle]

btw felis you're right about rarity ranking adding lvls to talos aspect

my talos aspect is lvl 16 now because of rare crops lmao

[sacred idol]

LOL

Wait, how is it 16?

You can get Rare Crop multiple times?

also might want to f10 that lmao

[turbid needle]

maybe because talos aspect ranked 2 boons at once idk, but the other boon is some crappy vengeance one

[sacred idol]

oh lol

that shouldn't be happening

f10 lul

[turbid needle]

submitted

[night path]

@sacred idol hot take: concentrated w/e is bad on both fists and rail

[sacred idol]

elaborate

[night path]

eh, when i took it with several damage boosts, it was lackluster in shredding power

and this was on 1 heat

i've had better runs with dash spear on higher heats

idek want to think what it's like on the rail

zag aspect might make it viable tho

[sacred idol]

like... what dps numbers relative to which other ones

[night path]

ahh

[sacred idol]

rofl I just had a blade rift crit for 1.2k total damage

[night path]

well for starters

the damage immediately falls off when your combo is finished

even if you continue to hit the same target w/o any changing

secondly, it did 44 damage on the initial hit

[sacred idol]

oh wait, what? that's not cool

I thought it'd have a longer timer than one 5 hit combo

[night path]

either im doing it wrong or that's just how it functions

[sacred idol]

meanwhile

chonky numbers on merciful end+deadly reversal+pressure points

big meme damage on arthur

[night path]

arthur does

bleh can never get use to filters

a lot of damage

but it's soo clunky to me

[sacred idol]

Hermes speed attack boon

also double dash strike

[night path]

i didnt think you could use that on arthur

bad luck for me i guess w/ hammers

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sacred idol]

lol jebaited

989 obols

diamond: 1k

because I missed one jar lol

[errant crown]

just played a bit of new update and arthur aspect was really fun

[sacred idol]

Arthur, king of the raw damage numbers

lmao, he just had half his health bar chunked in about 3 seconds.

[errant crown]

damage was insane

Special effect was quite big and attack speed was also felt little bit slow but that was minor inconvinience

[sacred idol]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/198553698450800640/687268746468917258/unknown.png When you crit for over 2k just right

also, lol, I had Shadow Slash.

[errant crown]

Arthur+artemis combo seems exciting

[sacred idol]

arthemis

Also, crit doom with merciful end and deadly reversal and pressure points.

And crit blade rifts.

I didn't get Hunting Blades. I didn't NEED Hunting Blades.

[slow bane]

So my latest run

I was testing out the Gauntlets.

I got a Hammer right off the bat and got the Draining Upper perk. so i used that to a big advantage against Meg

It was also very lucky that i got the Curse of Agony perk from Ares just before Meg too.

[bold salmon]

So what alt mirrors seem worth using? Dark Regen, Golden Touch, High Confidence, Olympian Legacy, God Chosen seem good. Any maybe i should be considering that im not?

[night path]

imo alt mirrors are situational to what build you're trying to run

like...

high confidence is better on ranged builds because it's easier to upkeep your health pool that way

the bottom 3 are more personal taste though with maybe the rare+ boons for legendary duo boons being more build specific

[bold salmon]

Guess my bigger question is there ever a case to change the first 6? Except Regen.

[night path]

the first one is apparently broken

in that you wont deal bonus damage to healthy enemies at all

the second one is personal taste

it gives you incentives to go after darkness

and it's better trying to go after rewards you couldnt get the first run through

[bold salmon]

Yea thats the only one that seems like preference. Rest just seem meh though in all situations.

[karmic ginkgo]

So what does the Arthur sword actually do?

[bold salmon]

Well maybe the first one with some weapons

Arthur is basically spam special

at least from what i can tell

[night path]

the first one is probably better on higher base damage weapons

if it only worked

arthur is a clunky but powerful sword

it's like tanky sword

very nice to play as

[bold salmon]

The first arthur run was insane with a Dio cast with Demeter duo and Aphro special.

So enemies literally couldnt move in my aura

[night path]

if only that worked in elysium

the spirit warriors keep attacking even if they're slowed

or even staggered

[bold salmon]

Worked fine for me

[night path]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[bold salmon]

literally killed 6 spear warriors in a group in 2 seconds

but im still only at 12 heat tbf

[night path]

but uh, i kinda dislike the infinite death defiances per se

they're ok if you don't mind taking collateral damage

but

they're terrible if you can't quickly finish a boss fight

and are melee

extended fights as melee unless you can time the single iframe vs || hades || asterius, or even theseus, are painful if you can't output damage.

[lyric totem]

Oh right, I might as well post a screenshot of my victorious setup. Hang on...

[sacred idol]

The first perk I believe works when I try it on Skelly.

It's just not as good on not the Hestia rail.

@bold salmon Arthur is main attack with a special sometimes for mass status and tank

[night path]

odd, i've tried using it normally and hitting something at full health and when they're damaged gave me the same amount

[bold salmon]

OK so darkness regen isnt good since you only get 3 hp from darkness anyways.

[night path]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[bold salmon]

Mass status?

[night path]

status effect mirror upgrade

put one on attack then another on special and you shred everything

[lyric totem]

Oh, huh, i can't. Where do I put it then? ^^;

[night path]

at least it should work

upload it via proxy

then post a link to it

[bold salmon]

Oh yea duh, but once thats applied just use special.

[sacred idol]

@bold salmon Wait what. Darkness regen is very good

It applies to ALL darkness.

Bouldy. Sisyphus. Troves.

[night path]

mhm

[sacred idol]

Wells of Charon. Everything.

And scales with Chaos.

[lyric totem]

Bonus points if you get like, +202% Darkness. Yeah.

[sacred idol]

Ez full heals from darkness troves, they're basically 2x chance of health troves

[night path]

^^

[sacred idol]

Also, mass status as in you hit stuff with special boon for status procs.

[bold salmon]

Guess we'll see, just got a 150% darkness from chaos

[lyric totem]

Done!

https://files.catbox.moe/1a2229.png

[sacred idol]

+Darkness makes it absolutely insane, all darkness is basically a free life essence until Styx where you just kinda hope for both in the shop if you need heals

[lyric totem]

I did turn on God Mode by the end of Elysium because Theseus is CONSISTENTLY giving me insane amounts of trouble and I got a bit impatient with him, but still!

[night path]

yeah darkness boost falls off in styx hard

the trick with theseus is that he always turns his back if he throws his spear

and the spear doesnt go through pillars

[sacred idol]

In styx, however, 3hp isn't a lot even with chamber count

[sage vale]

Yeah Theseus and Minotaur are a very good difficulty wall

[sacred idol]

You take so much damage by that point that one hit will undo 3 rooms anyway.

[lyric totem]

Glad to know I'm not the only one having trouble.

[night path]

personally I deal with the minotaur first if I can

then deal with theseus

[lyric totem]

Minotaur's charge attack homes way too hard, but I did learn that I can dash through the pillars.

[night path]

because he's honestly a pushover compared to mino

[lyric totem]

That might help me in future attempts.

[sage vale]

Getting them down for the first time was easily the most satisfaction i got from a game in a long time

And im a Starcraft player

[lyric totem]

Theseus loves taking potshots at me while I'm trying to focus on Minotaur. He's good at that, I'll give him.

[sacred idol]

Theseus is kind of a joke, just tedious. Asterius is pain incarnate

[lyric totem]

...Who?

[sage vale]

Theseus took me many more attempts than the final boss

Minotaur.

[night path]

asterius = mino

[lyric totem]

Oh right.

[turbid needle]

if you hate sniper theseus you might like the extreme measures version

though minotaur gets very annoying

[sage vale]

Its a great boss because it makes you rethink all that youve learned prior

[lyric totem]

Was a bit worried there'd be a Furies thing going on. Christ, Miss Murderer ate all three charges of my death defiance first time I saw her. And then killed me anyway.

[sage vale]

But once it clicks you're good and ready for the big boy league

Thats how a good boss should be

The Furies can be tough as long as you let them

They teach you to keep dishing out damage no matter what

[lyric totem]

I have no trouble with Meg, and Alecto was pretty fun to fight, but it probably didn't help that when I met Miss Murderer I was using the Spear with a Chaos curse that prevented me from using my Special.

[sage vale]

I find that fight easiest because every time the room shrinks you get your casts back

And i usually run cast builds

[bold salmon]

Heroic Ares Attack and Special on Guan cuz why not 😂

[sacred idol]

This feel when Meg is now my hardest Fury and Tisi is easy...

[sage vale]

So it's often that I just nuke her every she's out of the invoulnerability and get the next stage almost instant

[night path]

charge attack on guan is surprisingly powerful

if you charge it all the way

[lyric totem]

I never use Casts... oops

[night path]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

they can be useful in a pinch

[lyric totem]

I typically run status effects on them, like Aphrodite's Weaken just in case something gets too close to me

[night path]

but generally speaking if you're already killing things quickly w/o them, you don't need them

[sage vale]

Casts are incredibly powerful

[night path]

(except poseidon cast; in terms of needing them)

[sage vale]

If you want to get to learn them i suggest running bow of hera

[sacred idol]

Poseidon cast is pretty good.

Blizzard Shot is fun times.

[sage vale]

Dionysus cast with fast casting and the Demeter boon for aoe on every cast

[sacred idol]

Oh wait

@night path poseidon aspect

[sage vale]

Is the best thing i've seen yet

[sacred idol]

Poseidon cast is flood shot.

[kindred bolt]

so i just tried the new sword aspect, it is so damn strong compared to the other sword aspect, is it getting nerfed or am i imagining its ok?

[lyric totem]

I do in fact use the bow as my favorite weapon

[sage vale]

It most definitely is getting nerfed

[night path]

you're wide open when using arthur's aspect

[sacred idol]

It doesn't need any nerfs.

[kindred bolt]

you stun everything, i even took cursed blade and i was invincible

[sage vale]

I got a 2150 crit yesterday

[night path]

it's hard to practically avoid things with it

[kindred bolt]

i hope not, its so awesome

[sage vale]

With one boon

[sacred idol]

It struggles with Forced Overtime significantly

To the point that 40% FO players think it's bad

[sage vale]

Third strike of the combo with Arthur w/ Artemis attack boon

[kindred bolt]

i tried 12 heat, maxing the one that makes bosses stronger, people with armor stronger and mini bosses stronger

[sacred idol]

But outside of that heat, it's a fine weapon.

[kindred bolt]

it was a breeze

[sage vale]

Lets you do absolutely disgusting damage

[sacred idol]

The speed is absolutely punishing on FO

Also, the other swords aren't weaker except Zagreus

[kindred bolt]

i hope it doesn't get nerfed, i loved it

[sacred idol]

Both hold speed records for the game.

Arthur is not going to set any records

[night path]

zagreus is probably okay with dash builds

[sacred idol]

But it is powerful for normal play, and that's what matters.

[kindred bolt]

the new weapon is pretty sweet too, i already maxed the two big aspects in it, first one sucks and didn't look at it

[sacred idol]

First one on Fists is fine

Probably the second best zagreus aspect

[kindred bolt]

if i have infinite blood maybe, i just have so much to upgrade still

[sacred idol]

It's not priority if you like the others more

But it is good

[kindred bolt]

i have 125 hours in this game and i still don't have a lot of aspects maxed and a few i don't have at all

[night path]

it's good for on-hit builds

[sacred idol]

Especially for people who are new and only have like 6-8 blood

Pairing it with the Ruthless Reflex perk...

65% evade

Tasty

[night path]

i'd figure it'd be multiplicative

[sacred idol]

Throw in a Hermes dash boon and attack boon. Achieve flash step

I think DR and evasion stack additively

But I believe have a cap

Unsure, though.

[kindred bolt]

i never knew there are caps for anything in this game

i just always stack evasion, damage resist, whatever i find, i thought it all stacks

with no cap on anything

[night path]

to an extent there has to be some caps

if you had 100% evasion, that'd be broken

[bold salmon]

Attack speed effects charge time right?

[kindred bolt]

but you can't have 100% evasion, there are only 1 evasion perk and 2 damage resistance if i remember right

[night path]

with the zag aspect, hermes trinket, hermes evasion boon

[sacred idol]

You absolutely can

[night path]

you could probably get 100% evasion if it wasn't multiplicative

[sacred idol]

Hermes Call boon too

[night path]

yeah

[sacred idol]

Or it could be additive capped lmao

[kindred bolt]

oh thats true

[sacred idol]

Ask a modder

[night path]

@bold salmon i think so?

[kindred bolt]

i wish i can finish this conversation but food is up, cheers

[night path]

im not sure

i never try to use charge effects because it seems to break even

in terms of dps

unless it has a charge shot or if it's shield

[sacred idol]

@turbid needle if Hermes counts for it, it's numerically fine

10% less but 100% uptime on any build no matter how crap the status boon supply is fine

If not, sure it has math issues.

The lack of fx does make a difference though

[night path]

^^

[versed tide]

Forced overtime is

not enough if you take the new champion pact

[night path]

hypothetically, you could get 60% if all boons were to appear, and chaos and hermes counted

[bold salmon]

OK so guan ares build might work if you got hermes/Athena dash and

[turbid needle]

oh yeah, hermes doesnt even count as a god rip

[versed tide]

I'm a bit lukewarm about the update

[turbid needle]

if hermes did then it's like around 4 or 5 different gods in one regular run which is like +24% or +30%, not too bad rly

still prefer to just get 2 status curses but screwing it all and going straight for artemis is nice

[sacred idol]

@turbid needle you tested hermes?

Oof, I did suggest to add him

For lore reasons

[turbid needle]

oh well i didnt

[versed tide]

magnetic fists are fun, zagreus/demeter are the clunkier version of sword with less transformative hammer upgrades

[turbid needle]

cant be bothered to look numbers mid game, need to go fast

[sacred idol]

Eeeh, sword is clunkier to me

[versed tide]

well I think there's definite overlap between sword and fists

[sacred idol]

Also, less transformative than uh

[turbid needle]

would like to give a shoutout to talos aspect for trivialising the butterfly ball miniboss even more by pulling all the souls within punching range immediately

[sacred idol]

Shadow Slash

Etc

@turbid needle punch the balls

[night path]

demeter is okay imo

though it seems like the secondary hits do a bit less damage

[sacred idol]

Demeter is good times.

Critfists good

[lament coral]

I wish there was a sideways finger option when it comes to feedback

[sacred idol]

Zagreus isn't very exciting but it's okay

Other than dash special momentum killing, fists are a lot less clunk than sword.

[lament coral]

I dunno

have you tried the special charge hammer?

[sacred idol]

Sword feels just... sluggish for its range? So many delays

Special charge hammer is fun. Missing fx but fun

[lament coral]

is it missing something or is it just broken?

because at max charge, enemies at the end don't get hit twice

[versed tide]

it's just the feeling of playing a "new" weapon that feels more like a sword sidegrade

[night path]

the fist hammer that causes dash special to explode is really... clunky to use

[lament coral]

just once

[sacred idol]

@lament coral may be broken, bug report it

[lament coral]

see, I don't know if it is

[sacred idol]

I feel like it's a sword upgrade lul

Because I hate sword

Bug it anyway.

[versed tide]

heh

[sacred idol]

It may be broken.

[iron shale]

I love demeter fist

[sacred idol]

If it says it should hit twice, broken.

[lament coral]

fist special just feels weird

[burnt rune]

Thank you Olympian Legacy, I finally got the Chaos legendary. Only prophecy from the original list I was missing

[iron shale]

With artemis special

[night path]

i thought spear was just a better sword to begin with lol

[iron shale]

Its so good

[sacred idol]

Rail is a better sword 4head

The basic fire is

Lul

[lament coral]

sword can stagger though

[sacred idol]

So can the fists

[lament coral]

but not the rail

[versed tide]

I don't know how to feel about most new mirror talents, the main issue with mirror talents is that they are highly run-dependent now

[sacred idol]

Was joke tbf

[night path]

yeah they really are

[sacred idol]

But honestly? The only sword I like is Arthur, but I like fist runs.

[kindred bolt]

i like the regenerating cast in melee builds

[versed tide]

some of the new mirror talents have bad synergies with certain boons and gods

[shadow yacht]

Does the fists' Dash-Special count as a Dash-Strike or nah ?

[sacred idol]

No

[night path]

they boil down to range vs melee

[sacred idol]

Sadly

Honestly, I do wish it had been another true ranged weapon

[stuck bough]

https://youtu.be/cIaC-GiEDf4

[iron shale]

Excalibur feels really underwhelming

[versed tide]

if you could switch mirror talents during the run it'd be good

[night path]

honestly same

that'd break the game somewhat

[kindred bolt]

i loved excalibur

funnest sword run i ever had

[sacred idol]

@glossy fog Quake doesn't apply damage scaling or boon effects. That's why it's bad

Excalibur feels great to me

[glossy fog]

Oh huh

[iron shale]

How do you build it

[glossy fog]

I thought it was still applying the other effects

[iron shale]

?

[glossy fog]

um Riptide?

was it called

[burnt rune]

Excalibur is the most fun I had with sword without doing a cast build or luckying into hammer chop + artemis

[glossy fog]

Rupture

I thought Quake still applied Rupture

And the damage multiplier

[sacred idol]

Nope

[glossy fog]

just nothing else

[sacred idol]

Quake is bad

[glossy fog]

ah

[sacred idol]

It applies absolutely nothing but base damage of itself

[glossy fog]

dang

that sucks, it's a pretty good move on paper

[iron shale]

How do you build excalibur?

[night path]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

up to you

crit

onhit

a lot of things work with it

it has crazy base damages

but it's clunky too

[errant narwhal]

@burnt rune, it seems updated to me?

[burnt rune]

Huh

[errant narwhal]

IRT your feedback

is your game/steam updated?

[burnt rune]

yeah

[errant narwhal]

hmm

strange

either way i think its also this everywhere else, and hasnt been the pyre promotion for a while

[burnt rune]

if I am an isolated case then it's ok lol

yeah, just restarted steam and still same

[errant narwhal]

you can manually change them, right? what happens if you do, and then reset it?

the image, i mean

[burnt rune]

still the old one

wild

[strong hornet]

with chaos shield does each shield proc a zeus bolt if you have the special upgrade?

[kindred bolt]

i think so

[sacred folio]

Yes and no. Zeus' special boon has a per-target cooldown of 0.2 second.

[strong hornet]

good to know

[night path]

that makes sense considering how potentially game breaking chaos can be

[dull scroll]

wow i knew quake cutter was iffy but its really bad

using special feels so clunky now

[strong hornet]

been a while since last i played so, but i throw 5 shields so was a bit unsure how it interacted with zeus

[versed tide]

zeus is still not scaling with weapons right?

[strong hornet]

it just set amount of damage so it especially strong for shield special wich already have low base damage

[versed tide]

for example zeus attack/special have the same flat damage effect regardless of weapon

well if your shield special deals 20 and zeus deals 15 it's a 75% bonus, which is weaker than most?

[strong hornet]

baseline is 30

for zeus special on shield

[versed tide]

afaik bow zeus attack is also the same damage as zeus railgun attack

but they might have changed

15 on bow is horrible, 15 on railgun is great

conversely zeus special on bow is great, zeus special on railgun is awful

[errant narwhal]

omg, i just saw demeter cast has been changed, rip

[strong hornet]

changed? seemed to be the same old for me, unless its some other change ive not payed atention to like a duration reduction or something

[errant narwhal]

oh nvm, i got snow burst and confused it with the cast lol

[shadow yacht]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/464441481361489921/687293768361181184/unknown.png
Just cleared my 1st run with the Talos fists, and I love how good they felt with the Divine Strike

[turbid needle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/181645099485233152/687294624959823872/20200311214247_1.jpg speaking of talos aspect

skelly admires the view

[lament coral]

nice view, boyo

[subtle shale]

Zeus special on Zeus Aspect for the shield is friggin’ amazing

[versed tide]

Demeter cast still ass

with forced overtime enemies keep dodging the beams

[terse vine]

Even with improved tracking from Artemis?

Not that it's something you can really count on dropping.

[versed tide]

I mean, it shouldn't need artemis to work

[terse vine]

For FO, maybe hah.

[versed tide]

at least I can make ares cast work without artemis duo, demeter is just blegh

also no chill on cast

[terse vine]

That I do find weird.

Triple cast with chill beams + chill explosion would be fun.

[versed tide]

I need to update my boon review

[twin hare]

whats the arthur aspects area's effect when using special?

[errant narwhal]

yay i did it, first run with the new weapon

[twin hare]

the glowy thing on the floor

[earnest ravine]

Slows enemies projectiles by a LOT.

[twin hare]

owh ok ty for the answer

[hard holly]

It also grants you damage reduction

[woeful stirrup]

And also actually slows enemies. Great against chariots.

Is it just me or is family favourite not worth using at all? You'd need 7 Olympians to get above 40% damage and it's quite easy getting privileged status to trigger, making it way better.

[versed tide]

it's not worth it

[woeful stirrup]

Same with the damage boost on undamaged enemies, it's useless in most situations compared to backstab.

[versed tide]

it's decent but highly dependent on weapon/build and that pact option that gives blue heart to enemies

if you have huge burst damage it's better, but you cannot know that before actually going into the run

[woeful stirrup]

Even then, you only get one shot of it on bosses, while you can get plenty of backstab.

[versed tide]

at best you take rail, and pray that you roll a special oriented build

and yeah bosses

if it was bonus damage against "above 90%" it'd be playable

[hard holly]

I actually like family favourite more

[wicked hull]

Hestia Rail is the only time I can see it being useful

[hard holly]

Same with the undamaged thing

[woeful stirrup]

Love the new money option though, gets way more than 100.

[hard holly]

Mostly for Hestia rails

And because on bosses past the Fury Sisters, Backstab does not appear to work

[woeful stirrup]

Pretty sure I used to backstab hydra and asterius.

[hard holly]

It used to be possible on Hydra before

[versed tide]

above 90% = can make use of doom, don't accidentally lose the bonus if you break blue hearts with weak attacks, don't lose the bonus when using weak AoE like zeus

[hard holly]

But it hasnt been in a while

At least far as I can tell

[versed tide]

imma suggest that

[hard holly]

You dont lose the bonus on blue hearts, do you?

Since theyre still undamaged

[unkempt pagoda]

arthur sword is great fun with artemis attack

taking out meg’s final phase in one hit is 👌

[hard holly]

Though Im also not sure if armor counts as being damaged

Anyway, Family Favourite is nice because youre guaranteed to get the damage bonus without having to go for status effects

Since my builds tend to have 0 to 1

Thats just nice

[versed tide]

yeah but typically

you use small attacks to break blue heart

if you hit one too many times, you lose the bonus

anyway posted in feedback

[small gorge]

sooooooooooooooooooooooo

i got 3k damage with no crit by using athur

https://imgur.com/a/brt7bWT

smashing Hades

from behind

[dim rapids]

lmao why is the tiny vermin so tanky

he feels more tanky than final boss

[versed tide]

elite champion numbskulls cost me precious seconds as well, insanely tanky early on

[brittle vault]

how do those stupid exploding chariots work? i can't get near them without taking damage

[versed tide]

don't get near them

[velvet thicket]

if you're using a melee weapon the easiest way to deal with them is to make them chase you and then dash through a small wall, they explode when they hit walls

but yeah they exist to make you sad

[strong hornet]

hm new sword has some hefty hits 60-80-200 damage combo baseline xD, bit slow on the attackspeed but makes sense with the damage

[unkempt pagoda]

the special doing a slowing field really helps with the slow attack speed

[velvet thicket]

does it slow regular attacks or just projectiles?

[strong hornet]

was just about to start my first run with it so lets see how it feels :)

[night path]

Projectiles and enemies

[unkempt pagoda]

i think both? it slows enemies

[night path]

Melee attacks are almost never slowed

[unkempt pagoda]

and if it slows them it’ll also slow their attack animation

[night path]

Imo arthur aspect is really weak against || hades ||

[strong hornet]

to be fair i kinda expected that with that attack speed

[night path]

It'd probably be worse if they didnt add that iframe to dash

Yet that iframe is also unreliable it seems

I've only ever managed to dash iframe it once since the update

[smoky oasis]

wtf? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/610827422580998145/687322925266894944/20200311232911_1.jpg

I was so happy thinking I got something good

[velvet thicket]

that's guaranteed the first run this patch so i hope you like fish

[smoky oasis]

I do like fishing but ended up running out of time cuz of it

only have 7 mins

[elfin pulsar]

doesnt fishing pause the timer?

or you mean because of running back for it

[bold salmon]

https://i.imgur.com/GFRgOFd.png
That was fun, also had demeter legendary

Dont think i ever went under half hp

Whats the best fist aspect atm?

[velvet thicket]

talos and demeter are pretty evenly matched

[bold salmon]

Also how does the basic hit work with zeus? is it every hit or does it just do it once?

[velvet thicket]

it's every hit, same with support fire

[bold salmon]

Alright, thanks!

Talos seems like the safer pick so ima go that i guess

[wise ibex]

anyone else got this problem where any interaction has a fancy chance of freezing and then crashing the game? just wondering if id need to redownload the game or wot

[bold salmon]

Um, i sorta get freezing with huge fps drops suddenly but no crashing

Seems only in the 3rd area though

[wise ibex]

it happens with character interaction for me

[shadow yacht]

When do we unlock the Aspect of Arthur ? I got all others aspects, including the Aspect of Guan Yu

[wise ibex]

i tend to do zoomies when it comes to walking around so whenever a character does an outside of interaction line kind of thing it just freezes the game if i interacted with them right during their line

i think i read that its pinned in #h1-story-discussion @shadow yacht

[shadow yacht]

Oh

Didn't know it was there

Ty

[wise ibex]

np

so ig it isnt a general problem then hmm

[subtle shale]

@bold salmon I also got that in Elisyum today, froze for like three seconds then went back to normal. If it happens again I’ll drop a bug report

[turbid needle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/181645099485233152/687329504053690376/20200312000136_1.jpg love this weird bug (already reported)

[hard holly]

Demeter is far and away the best fist aspect tbh

Talos has utility but severely lacks damage

[turbid needle]

funny cause like half the people i see love talos and hate demeter and the other half are the exact opposite

also talos + poseidon special has some silliness to it

[velvet thicket]

i've been having pretty much equal success with both

[bold salmon]

Idk why but the fast hitting attack for fist just makes me thing of a short ranged Rail

[velvet thicket]

they play pretty similarly. it even has kind of a clip since you can't punch indefinitely

[wise ibex]

athenas attack with them is basically a punching shield

[versed tide]

Demeter aspect is what hestia (?) aspect should be for Rail

[chrome geyser]

They are similar yeah.

Is it the same damage?

5*30 i mean?

[versed tide]

I like talos, it's unique

[chrome geyser]

Talos is growing on me.

[versed tide]

kinda underwhelmed by hammer upgrades though

[chrome geyser]

It compensates the range.

[versed tide]

special shockwave is slooooow

[bold salmon]

This should be curious. Got all 3 revenges with duo on fist

[sacred folio]

Max rank Demeter's aspect does 5 * 30 damage. Or 5 * 40 if it's dash-special

[velvet thicket]

yeah i hate that the shockwave slows you down. it should just happen on its own

[chrome geyser]

I feel like talos and shockwave are bugged. Sometimes i get no shockwave

[versed tide]

long range punches are good, explosive special is good, the rest is 🤷

[chrome geyser]

The charge makes my game lag so bad

[faint sonnet]

Fists are great

Aspect of Talos is easily the best imo

[chrome geyser]

Fisting enemies are fun!

[velvet thicket]

all of the charge hammers in this game are awful i feel like

[chrome geyser]

Charge chiron used to be the BEST before nerf

[wise ibex]

murder mittens i tell ya

[faint sonnet]

Charged spear throw makes artemis special builds pretty nuts

[chrome geyser]

Charged skewer guan yu hands down best weapon in game.

[faint sonnet]

2000 damage spear throw crit

[unkempt pagoda]

charged skewer guan yu straight up one of the strongest in the game

[versed tide]

I will always hate artemis for how crits work

[faint sonnet]

Why

It's crit chance and a multiplier

very simple

[unkempt pagoda]

charged chiron used to be up there too RIP

[versed tide]

having crits on attacks that you spam = RNG is rounded and dps is consistent
crits on low frequency cast/call/specials = damage lottery

Artemis call being 10% crit is yikes

[faint sonnet]

That's just how probability works

Artemis call could be buffed though yeah

[versed tide]

it's badly designed tbh

[faint sonnet]

By that same token you're saying every single other crit chance method in every other game is badly designed

Its simple not bad

Also, not all gods are going to be amazing on all weapons

some work better on others

[versed tide]

I am low-key saying this, but it's a special case with crit on cast and call

it's a non-mechanic to begin with, the only redeeming aspect of it is that it's multiplicative damage instead of additive, but you only have two ways to actually proc crits on non-artemis attacks (global crit% and mark)

something about mark should be artemis primary mechanic imo not random crits

[faint sonnet]

The crit mechanic is simple, yes but its not like its bad

It works very well

[chrome geyser]

With artemis; you are banking on it. The dps increase is consistent when you average it over time.

[faint sonnet]

^

[versed tide]

as I said

[chrome geyser]

It feels sporadic to you only because of our attentian time scale is on the same order as an infrequent weapon spam

[versed tide]

high frequency = damage tends to equilibrium

low frequency = damage roulette

[velvet thicket]

okay but hot take the damage roulette is fun

[versed tide]

call* is very low frequency

[rancid shore]

It averages out regardless of frequency

[night path]

Ok?

[chrome geyser]

Also; artemis has a lot of boons to increase your chance to >.5

you have pressure points.

Deadly reversal

[faint sonnet]

The cast has the special case of compounded synergizing artemis boons; such as multiple casts on cast or more cast 'ammo'

So the frequency does increase eventually

[night path]

Idk why you're complaining about crit tbh

[versed tide]

more ammo has the special case of synergizing with anything, duh

[chrome geyser]

Well; with the new cast method you don't need ammo. But it's nice to have more ofc.

I love stygian blood

I LOVE IT

never going back

[faint sonnet]

what's it do again

[velvet thicket]

is that the slowdown one or the regen

[faint sonnet]

I looked over them again, picked ones I liked and forgot about the rest

[rancid shore]

stygian soul is the 1 cast regen 3 seconds

[night path]

Breaks hera and poseidon is what it does

[faint sonnet]

right that

[chrome geyser]

I just noticed that family favourite does not work as i thought it would work btw

It's +6 per different god you have. Not +6 per boon.

[versed tide]

breaks weapons/boons and it's also somewhat... dumber? you lose mechanics of retrieving ammo

[velvet thicket]

+6 per boon would be nuts lmao

[chrome geyser]

Breaks some.

But being able to cast every 3rd second is insane.

[waxen furnace]

Oh huh. Interesting

[faint sonnet]

My question is how does that get effected by cast capacity increases from chaos/artemis?

[chrome geyser]

They all work independently

It's like you have 4 slots of casts.

[waxen furnace]

+6% per boon would be bat-droppings insane

[velvet thicket]

yeah you just get multiple regenerating casts

[faint sonnet]

o h

[rancid shore]

you get 1 + x number of casts with different timers

[chrome geyser]

Each regenerates independently

[faint sonnet]

I see

[chrome geyser]

I had it with hunting blade rifts

It's amazing

[faint sonnet]

OH NO

[versed tide]

that sounds very odd

[waxen furnace]

Even +6% per unique god is good imo

[faint sonnet]

That sounds horrifying

[rancid shore]

per unique olympian*

[chrome geyser]

It's disgustingly good.

[velvet thicket]

i really like it because it means i don't have to just pray hermes will give me legendary, that's always the least consistent part of cast builds for me

[chrome geyser]

I mean; it makes some casts better.

[scarlet urchin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/616979133691592704/687339014679822336/unknown.png
Thank goodness. Showingup exactly when I need him....

[night path]

It apparently doesnt affect hermes or chaos

[faint sonnet]

yep

[waxen furnace]

Hermes counts apparently, so that’s regularly 24-30% damage boost. PS is 40% now apparently. 10% difference for a massive consistency boost is totally worth it

[rancid shore]

it really should be affected by hermes if it doesn't

[night path]

So your hypothetical boost is 48%

[scarlet urchin]

I'm so bad with Arthur's sword.... Like..
I'm usually pretty decent at using the sword... but... I'm basically relying on my cast cause I swing so slow I'm interrupted before I can hit anything...

[velvet thicket]

arthur is a hard time

[waxen furnace]

Oh huh, someone mentioned that Hermes works. I’m not sure

[night path]

Okay, then it's 54

[waxen furnace]

Even without Hermes, I think 24% is enough to still warrant consideration

[rancid shore]

why 54?

[scarlet urchin]

Anyone have any tips for using Arthur?

[bold salmon]

Guess i dont mind talos as a cast build weapons since im probably only going to be using arthur for sword now but im not sure how i feel about fist still

[night path]

10 possible boon types

9 w/o chaos

[scarlet urchin]

I know it's heavily reliant on the special but in many cases the special is so slow it cancels as I try to dodge something....

[waxen furnace]

54 is not a useful point to compare to, as it’s a stretch to reach even 6 gods

[night path]

9*6=54

[rancid shore]

you only get 4 gods locked in + maybe hermes + an extra god if you force it

[waxen furnace]

You only typically get 4 normal gods per run

[faint sonnet]

Talos cast build with Aphrodite Shotgun cast I need to try that

Trench warfare time

[night path]

As I said, hypothetical

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[rancid shore]

it's not really hypothetical if it's impossible to get all of them

[strong hornet]

my run ended quite nicely with arthur. Epic hermes attack speed (30%) and artemis attack so crti for like 1000 quite alot :)

[waxen furnace]

^

[night path]

For now yeah

[chrome geyser]

• Makes festive fog less like a nuke and more like a stun/dps field; more reliable to keep up for blackout/high tolerance
• Makes you apply weak consistently with aphrodite shotgun
• Demeter turrets remain longer than they regenerate so you can laser focus from both sides of an enemy
• Blade rift does one pass through; but it's easier to use as an incidental nuke
• You can use athena more like a block attack rather than a high damage nuke cast
  Also; sticking casts still get lodged in enemies. They just don't drop. So you get boiling/abyssal blood effects still. Also loving abyssal blood as opposed to boiling.

[night path]

Maybe not in the distant future

[elfin pulsar]

the higher heat I play fist on the worse I think fist is

[waxen furnace]

I hope it’s the distant future

[elfin pulsar]

but maybe demeter just isnt the aspect to use

[waxen furnace]

The 4 boon limit is good imo

*4 god

[rancid shore]

It'd be incredibly bad if they let us get more than what we can now

[chrome geyser]

Family favourite probably activates on hermes too

[waxen furnace]

I really would not enjoy runs where every god could show up

[rancid shore]

Imagine hitting every god but only once and not getting anything to synergize and then also having to replace boons :^)

[chrome geyser]

So usually by the end game you have 30% damage boost

[rugged estuary]

Question: Did this patch fix poseidon / zeus duo on chiron bow?

[chrome geyser]

I rather have it on artemis builds where you can't keep privilege up

[waxen furnace]

10% hit in damage for a decent consistency boost and more build flexibility? Yes please

[rugged estuary]

Family favourite does not currently work on hermes I believe

[chrome geyser]

@rugged estuary no; this patch killed chiron by removing charged volley from chiron though.

[rugged estuary]

@chrome geyser rip

[waxen furnace]

I preferred non-charged-volley on Chiron though, tbh

[rancid shore]

prospective 24-36% (depending on hermes) consistently and without having to keep it up is already strong enough on its own

[waxen furnace]

Still would like charged volley back, and just have it be explained properly

[chrome geyser]

I think the changes in powershot remedies the bow a bit.

The base bow.

[waxen furnace]

The issue I had with charged volley is its lack of clarity

[chrome geyser]

It does not mention range.

[rugged estuary]

How does chaos shield interact with zeus special? Do you get a zeus hit on every shield, or is it like chiron where you only get one?

[chrome geyser]

I mean; chiron is a bow built around the special; and now we have a single hammer upgrade out of the available 10 for it.

[strong hornet]

0.2 sec cooldown per target is what i was told for zeus

it works quite well

since its kinda random when some shields hit :)

[chrome geyser]

Zeus special (or any bolt) has an internal cooldown per enemy. So it can at most trigger every .2 (or .3? @sacred folio ) per enemy

That's why chiron and zeus does not work. The first shot activates it on an enemy; then it goes to cooldown while all the arrows hit within the cooldown time.

[rancid shore]

I can't remember again. Does anyone know if you can attack immediately after getting any shield with Chaos Aspect or does it have to be the main one?

[chrome geyser]

With chaos aspect; you get one activation per enemy.

[faint sonnet]

Lightning Punches
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/651179632120430596/687341156387782730/Hades_00235.png?width=1008&height=567

[chrome geyser]

Maybe two on bounce backs

[faint sonnet]

Sea storm with the fists is stupid

[chrome geyser]

But the biggest bonus of zeus on chaos special is because it hits almost every enemy

And since enemies cluster; the bolt from one enemy damages usually the others.

[rugged estuary]

@faint sonnet So sea storm is unaffected by that cooldown that was just talked about?

You get a bolt every hit

[chrome geyser]

Also for the main shield; the bounceback is long enough that if it hits the main enemy on the return flight it can activate once again. Same with richocheing.

Yes

[faint sonnet]

Yup

ZAPZAPZAPZAPZAP

[chrome geyser]

Sea storm is different that zeus bolts

[rugged estuary]

So why does sea storm not work properly with chiron then?

[chrome geyser]

Zeus has like 3 different effects

• Chain lightning (attack, cast)
• Lightning bolt (cast, special, dash)
• Spark (splitting bolt and sea storm; though if they are similar in activation i'm not sure)

It does work though? At least when I had it before the patch it felt like it worked.

[rugged estuary]

I was told you only get one bolt with sea storm chiron

and I just asked before if this patch fixed sea storm chiron and you answered with no?

[versed tide]

feeling like zeus needs a rework

[faint sonnet]

Stygian Soul with Demeter might be really interesting

ALL THE LAZERS

[rancid shore]

that's just okay

you get like a 2 second window of overlap between 2 lasers

[faint sonnet]

oh ok

[rancid shore]

it's way better with more ammo though

[versed tide]

in which case I feel that you should pick another cast, I really tried to make demeter work but

tracking isn't good

artemis duo is mandatory if you don't want lasers to whiff

[rancid shore]

it's fine imo

just have to play around it instead

[versed tide]

you really see the difference when using forced overtime, with enemies moving way faster than lasers can track

[rancid shore]

I literally onlyalways use forced overtime and i think it's fine

[rugged estuary]

@rancid shore So which is it? Does sea storm work properly with chiron or not?

[rancid shore]

what idk

????

[rugged estuary]

sorry wrong tag

meant to tag @chrome geyser

[velvet thicket]

got full hunting blades build with regenerating casts and while i think it's absolutely busted i don't know that it's that much more busted than hunting blades already are

having like 16 of them on screen at a time does feel morally wrong though

[rancid shore]

that seems really fun

[versed tide]

I don't actually mind hunting blades because blade rifts still work without it, ares legendary though pushes it to levels of ridiculousness

call allows you to melt bosses without any risk

[rugged estuary]

@velvet thicket How would you do that? You get 1 max cast, 2 if you get a chaos boon. With 2 rifts every 3 seconds there is now way you hit anywhere near 16

4 at most.

[tidal thorn]

Dual Shot?

And Artemis leg.

[velvet thicket]

i'm counting dual casts for the purpose of exaggeration. i have fully loaded which means 4 max casts. the recharge time is shorter than the actual duration of a blade rift, which means that there's a window where i have 8 out

[teal basalt]

i'm confused,maybe it's been asked already but how do you unlock arthur sword,i got guan yu and already beat the game with it

i also got every other aspect of sword

[velvet thicket]

there are always at least 6, plus the dual shots

[versed tide]

you play the game until game decides it's time to drip-feed you content

[tidal thorn]

Nyx has new dialog you need to go through, just keep talking to her after runs.

[sacred idol]

Blade rifts kind of suck without it...

[teal basalt]

ahh i see,i thought it was like that but she disappeared already a couple of times so i was thinking i exhausted her new dialogues already,thank you!

[versed tide]

idk about blade rift

[tidal thorn]

Naw, she has a lot. Just keep bugging her.

[versed tide]

if you need 3 upgrades including a boon and a legendary to make an attack work something's wrong

dps is probably too low without

[sacred idol]

@rancid shore Did you ever manage to make Arthur work on forced overtime, since you mentioned always using it

[rancid shore]

I haven't played with it yet because Nyx wouldn't let me unlock it until very recently

[tidal thorn]

Speaking of Arthur, what have people been running for it? I tried a few runs and honestly haven't been a fan of the aspect at all. :/

[sacred idol]

Also, is Hermes definitely confirmed to work with Family?

[velvet thicket]

i've made arthur work using athena + the slowing cast and pretty much every other slowing boon in the game. demeter, the dio tier 2, etc

it's definitely not a good weapon though

[sacred idol]

I dunno, I tried it once on low heat and loved it

[earnest ravine]

Artemis on the attack is SCARY due to its high base damage.

[sacred idol]

Easy 2k crits on Hades

[velvet thicket]

low heat being the key word imo

[tidal thorn]

I just don't think it's unique enough like GY was. GY also comes with a hammer upgrade built in, Arthur doesn't.

[earnest ravine]

It was hard to get a good feel for it through the constant frame drops whenever an enemy cast something, though.

[sacred idol]

Wait what? I don't get those

[velvet thicket]

i've tried it with forced overtime on a couple times and have not been able to get anything goin

[sacred idol]

Toaster pc?

[earnest ravine]

NO, it only started happening with this update.

There's been some stability issues, to put it lightly.

[sacred idol]

I mean, 40% Overtime makes half the weapons in this game feel bad.

I think at this point, the problem is that 40% enemy speed is not balanced

So comparing everything against it makes a lot of things look worse.

[earnest ravine]

I can see it working on 40% overtime still, honestly?

The projectile slow alone makes styx really funny

[sacred idol]

Saying it's "not good" in general seems questionable

[versed tide]

you can probably cheese by stacking HP and toughing it out

[sacred idol]

@solar latch by the way. Rocket bomb slows when you use inescapable.

[rancid shore]

ok do i need arthur levelled for it to be usable or nah

[chrome geyser]

Sea storm works properly for chiron last time i tested it. The bolt effects have the cooldown; not the spark.

[earnest ravine]

It would help, but the main issue with it is its slower attack and special.

You can run it level 1 and get a good idea of what you're working with.

[chrome geyser]

Maybe arthur is not neccessarily low-heat; but just punished really hard by forced overtime?

You can go up to 32 heat without forced overtime right?

I'm saying this but had not had a chance to play it yet.

[earnest ravine]

You have to be really good at reading the enemy patterns to run it on Overtime, but that's kind of a given, so

[velvet thicket]

you can but like it's also gonna be kneecapped by the timer and by blue hearts

[versed tide]

you can but you have to deal with another set of unfun punishments

forced overtime is challenging
No choice? why do you ruin the fun

[rancid shore]

ohh i see what people meant about not being able to move the aura now

that sucks

[chrome geyser]

No choice is never the choice of heat.

Wait the aura moves?

[tidal thorn]

NO.

[velvet thicket]

no, once you place it you can't replace it somewhere else until it expires

which is real dumb

[tidal thorn]

No caps.

[chrome geyser]

We should get toggleable weapons.

So you can place the hallowed ground

And talos yoink enemies in.

[tidal thorn]

Trippy Shot with that one boon.

[versed tide]

there are only so many punishments you can add without making your run tedious

[chrome geyser]

I have been doing this with my blade rift dash, and my scintillating fog. It's actually pretty good.

[velvet thicket]

yeah talos with blade rifts is kinda neat

[versed tide]

I like the new champion enemies

[chrome geyser]

To me mitten special feels a bit clunky and rhythm breaking. I rather use the talos as utility even though dps from demeter is better.

[sacred idol]

Arthur doesn't need levels. It's just less defense

[versed tide]

but some are so incredibly tanky they mess with the clock

[chrome geyser]

I like the LAZER ones.

[sacred idol]

But yes, the main issue is Forced Overtime 2.

But I mean, you can facetank.

[chrome geyser]

Oh the giant numbskull; first time i saw it was insane.

BTW; do i get the evil vermin only with arthur aspect?

[versed tide]

I wouldn't mind removing that one tbh

[velvet thicket]

nah tiny vermin shows up any time

[chrome geyser]

Cause i got the regular giant elite vermin still; but i only did mittens so far.

[sacred idol]

Anytime

I got it both times lul

[chrome geyser]

Weird. 6 runs and never ran into it.

[tidal thorn]

IDK, I changed my binds after getting Demeter aspect and I use it was smoother. Dash Special is easier now.

[velvet thicket]

you have not drawn the ire of the rat

[sacred idol]

There should be an achievement called Nasty Big Pointy Teeth for killing it with Arthur.

[chrome geyser]

Do i need to watch monthy python to understand the referance?

[tidal thorn]

Yes.

[chrome geyser]

Ugh

I knew my lack of MP would catch up with me.

[sacred idol]

It is kind of looking like an extended Monty Python joke with Arthur debuting alongside it

[versed tide]

6th weapon should have been holy hand grenade

[velvet thicket]

just got the legendary 1 boon tartarus

[chrome geyser]

That's the final rail aspect.

[sacred idol]

But anyway, the only issues I can see with Arthur aspect are Tight Deadline at 7:00, which affects nearly every weapon because RNG is atrocious there, and Forced Overtime 40%, which destroys nearly every weapon that can't indiscriminately nuke

[chrome geyser]

Wait; didn't everybody get the legendary poseidon boon in the first room?

[final warren]

First run on new update: Get poseidon, who only offers me fishing legendary lol. Got like... ten fish. Also struggled mightily to get a build going lmao

[velvet thicket]

@sacred idol blue hearts are also huge

[chrome geyser]

Right? It also feels like that boon is permanent.

[sacred idol]

At 40% you either only use fast weapons with low animation lock, or you go home very quickly

[chrome geyser]

I am getting craploads of fish now.

[sacred idol]

I mean, blue hearts - take a cast that can deal

You can run blade rift kek

I did

[versed tide]

slow weapons are a universal problem, got the same issue in Dead Cells

[chrome geyser]

Blue hearts punish nuking.

[final warren]

@chrome geyser nah, I am getting the same fish without it

[versed tide]

at least in DC you have freeze grenade

[sacred idol]

Artemis attack is naturally its synergy, so you can actually just try for Ares, shred blues with blade rifts, and profit

[final warren]

as well as continuing to miss fishing spots in Asphodel because I dont pay attention

[earnest ravine]

Felis you're really overestimating how hard it is to work on 40% Overtime

[chrome geyser]

But I laugh at the armor and load my rail.

[sacred idol]

40% makes even the sword riskier...

[versed tide]

Artemis attack isn't synergy, anything is synergy since scaling is the same

[chrome geyser]

BTW bot; some of the swear words are definitely not swear words when used in context.

[versed tide]

I actually want math on artemis attack vs aphro

[solid cairn]

I stopped playing dead cells when they removed the ability to dual wield stuff like valmont whip.

[rancid shore]

in my experience so far it's impossible to cheese in an arthur 3rd hit. you'd really have to plan for it

[sacred idol]

Hm

[solid cairn]

Like they legit just removed one of the most fun parts

[sacred idol]

If it slowed enemies instead of projectiles?

Then it might be better on overtime

[rancid shore]

doesnt the tooltip say slows foes? does it actually do that or is it just projectiles

[sacred idol]

Also, Artemis attack seems to give the most damage by a mile, like Hestia, but not the most consistent damage, which is Aphrodite

Oh wait. Does it? I'm actually not sure

[velvet thicket]

arthur 3rd hit is doable, get the second swing, dash, then the thrust will come out instead of the dash attack. but like only sometimes.

[open mural]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/123139804694052865/687352336603283502/unknown.png oh, finally through with 32 skulls

[sacred idol]

I wasn't sure if I was doing it right

Whew. Nice

[rancid shore]

oh you can dash strike the 3rd?

[chrome geyser]

The actual dps is +boon% +2*critchance% +2*critchance*boon%

I don't think it works though

[inland pebble]

Oh my god, the new teleport ability is so god damn annoying!

[chrome geyser]

The dash-strike looks like a thrust; but does not count as a thrust attack.

[inland pebble]

I face 2 shield heroes with extra armour and that perk

ending up chasing them around like 4 mins

[chrome geyser]

At least how it works with the base sword.

[sacred idol]

Mmm, the dash CAN cancel into the chunky hit.

[inland pebble]

they don't even know where they end up with

[chrome geyser]

Probably the same case with arthur.

[versed tide]

crits still do 300%?

[sacred idol]

Also as far as I know the attack attack dash attack DOES do thrust damage on base sword?

Yes they do

[chrome geyser]

Yes

[inland pebble]

crit does 200%

[sacred idol]

Artemis probably doesn't have the best DPS sustained, but highest burst for sure

[fossil mica]

How does one get the aspect of arthur?

[chrome geyser]

@sacred idol ; i tried working on skelly; and dash-strike does thrust damage (30) but is not affected by thrust modifiers.

[sacred idol]

Crit is I think x3, +200% if rendered that way, or something

Oh

[rotund wagon]

what eagle asked

[sacred idol]

So no cruel thrust, but it does do the damage.

[rotund wagon]

how do you get a new aspect again

[sacred idol]

The damage is a bit more important.

[solid cairn]

What if that Poseidon legendary gave you a damage bonus for each fish caught in that run

[sacred idol]

Unless you do rely on CT, which sounds painful for overtime and all

[velvet thicket]

has anyone gotten the poseidon legendary in a run? like not the first, scripted time you get it

i haven't seen it again, i'm not sure it's an actual boon

[chrome geyser]

@fossil mica You need to unlock guan yu; pour 5 blood into sword upgrades then talk to nyx repeatedly until she gets bored of her new voicelines

And also pour nectar on her indiscriminently

[versed tide]

Artemis attack barely beats Aphrodite attack, so it all comes down to charm vs external modifiers

and how easily you can have priviledged

[chrome geyser]

Artemis stacks multiplicatively to existing +% modifiers

So it beats usually aphrodite on base.

[versed tide]

it barely beats aphrodite

like a teeny bit

[velvet thicket]

weak absolutely makes it worth it since arthur is gonna make you eat like a million hits

[chrome geyser]

And if you have chaos boons, or hammer boons that up your damage +% it works well.

[sacred idol]

Scales pretty hard with other sources like chaos yes

[versed tide]

so yeah it's really dependent on external factors

[gusty dagger]

Can anyone tell me how Gods' Chosen is as useful if not better than Gods' Pride?

[sacred idol]

But you can put weak on special.

Also, here's something weird: I got Arthur on my second run somehow @chrome geyser

Is your save really old?

Because mine is from Steam launch patch

[versed tide]

it also makes it harder to reach privileged +40%

but if you have the new family thing

[sacred idol]

And I don't have most of these dialogue taking forever issues, other than shenanigans involving not tripping flags for Autograph

[rancid shore]

mine is from steam too but it didnt give me arthur until like 6 runs in

[versed tide]

this is why we should be able to swap mirror upgrades between floors tbh

[sacred idol]

I think Arthur is an aspect that's amazing if you build around it?

Like, if you use a Mirror build for it

[versed tide]

there's a limit to how much you can build around things, in terms of both viability and rng

[velvet thicket]

amazing is putting it very strongly. i think trying for 32 heat arthur is basically a meme run

[sacred idol]

Play to its strengths and all. Blade rift was actually pretty damn good

[rancid shore]

ruthless arthur is great

[sacred idol]

And ruthless, yes

But then, people who are already convinced it's a terrible aspect will never change their minds.

I think there's a lot of mileage out of stacking DR boons?

Someone mentioned stacking them all and having over 80% damage reduction, lmao

[velvet thicket]

i though they stacked multiplicatively

[sacred idol]

Only thing there would be 7:00 timer if you run it

Fairly sure they stack pretty high and can actually hit 80% something

[dull scroll]

Artemis special boon on demetor fists is insane. 1500 crits by hydra

[sacred idol]

Lol, nice

Demeter attack for chillsplosions too

[dull scroll]

yeah lol

[sacred idol]

Or something fun like that.

Ultimately though, I think any new metas around the aspects will take time

[versed tide]

the meta is not taking damage

[sacred idol]

People have been arguing back and forth over whether Arthur is great or useless, half the people who play fists hate it and the other half love it, and half of those think Demeter or Talos is the best and the other aspect is crap.

Lul

[ripe parrot]

I love Arthur and the fists lol

[versed tide]

it's just a slow weapon in a fast moving game

[earnest ravine]

Arthur is PRETTY good for not getting hit, honestly.

[sacred idol]

"just don't get hit 4head" is a meme and I'll continue to treat it like a meme.

[earnest ravine]

but thats my actual playstyle felis ;-;

[ripe parrot]

Arthur is useful as heck in the more crowded chambers later.

That special slows enemies and projectiles within it

[sacred idol]

It almost trivializes the worst aspects of styx

[earnest ravine]

it's rude to TELL other people that because of the meme status but it works pretty well as a strat

[sacred idol]

Like getting poisoned constantly

[versed tide]

it's definitely a meme

[hollow sorrel]

Arthur and the fists are fine at lower heat levels, because everything works at lower heats levels. But they are absolutely terrible ideas for 32 heat, the way the game is currently implemented

[daring nymph]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/167934331837349888/687356837158191114/unknown.png
The fists feel so good to use, I haven't lost a run with them yet T_T

[sacred idol]

32 heat just seems kind of broken

[ripe parrot]

Yeah but I play for fun, not at 32 Heat.

[sacred idol]

And has been for a while

[versed tide]

32 is straight up not fun I'm going to be honest

[sacred idol]

Some heats like FO2 and TD2 are literally not balanced at all, lul.

The problem is the heats at this point

Not the weapons

They're obviously not balancing around 32

[versed tide]

not because 32 is challenging, but because you have to pad heat with unfun punishments

[ripe parrot]

There's a mod that completely rebalances the Pact and allows Heat to go up to 100.

[versed tide]

no choice, everything is more expensive, you need to sell boons...

[sacred idol]

Otherwise, clearly they playtested these aspects and found them viable?

[versed tide]

the timer that randomly loses you runs

[sacred idol]

Also zero healing is kind of...

Lol

No choice is the worst

NC, TD, FO, some of the new elites are a bit broken, and shenanigans like Middle Management being only 2 heat when cyclops head becomes the second? third? deadliest boss in the game

[ripe parrot]

I finally read the Skullcrusher index thing and realized they were Cyclops skulls last night lol.

[velvet thicket]

middle management medusa is harder than extreme measures theseus lmao

[sacred idol]

Asterius is still brutal

But thwomp boi is at worst tied with EM FO Asterius and close to Hades

[versed tide]

ye but that's just balance, at the core Middle M and Extreme M + new "champion" elites are actual extra content

meanwhile no choice is a fun-killer

[sacred idol]

Yeah I hate every pact that just deletes game mechanics

No choice, level 4 of less healing

I think healing should cap at 80%

[velvet thicket]

i rly like supergiant's philosophy of optional extra difficulty options in theory but they always make annoying ones. i did full limiters transistor for the achievement and then never touched most of them again, same with bastion

[sacred idol]

Mmm, yeah

It's the best in concept but the execution always feels a little broken

[velvet thicket]

i straight up enjoyed heat better early on in development when i could just crank up enemy damage to 800% lmao

[sacred idol]

Have felt it since Bastion days for sure

Also, I do think some things just break at 40% more speed. Lul.

They've gone to plaid!

[versed tide]

Underworld Customs aka Mr Steal your Boon

it's not that bad since you get gold back and you can always buy another

[sacred idol]

Lul. Yeah.

[rancid shore]

the arthur aura needs a better ending indicator

[sacred idol]

One Boon Tartarus and Customs

Yeah agreed

[versed tide]

but I'd rather have something that downgrades a boon to lower rarity

than taking it away entirely

[sacred idol]

Arthur needs QoL patches and it probably will be really good after

@versed tide would be free heat with all commons 4head

[versed tide]

if the blood pool actually did that I might consider using it

I don't think I've actually sold a boon since, ever

[ripe parrot]

Well the good part about optional difficulty is that it's optional.

[sacred idol]

Changes I do want for Arthur:
-replace the aura at will, or on shorter cooldown like 2-3 seconds
-have a fade out indicator

[chrome geyser]

I think there is a queue of convo options for each character and they get pulled in randomly. That's why you can get lucky and unlock the first thing; or get a lot of other conversation and not get the sword. I think it is fine for a fresh save; but we are beta testing the content pretty much; i would rather just get it ASAP.

Anyways 4 suicides fixed my issue.

In getting arthur

[versed tide]

also when you sell a boon, can it appear back into the pool?

[ripe parrot]

Yes, but likely of a different rarity.

[hollow sorrel]

Yes