hmm
#h1-builds-and-combat
quaint gazelle
chrome geyser
You farm HP when you can kite enemies and use special as your main. It's amazing aoe damage
TBH for damage you just need artemis flourish.
quaint gazelle
oh yeah crit build is really good for that
chrome geyser
Or aphrodite. They are pretty good.
lament coral
I like Athena attack/Demeter or Aphrodite special better
quaint gazelle
Aphrodite gets exponentially better the more heat you have
lament coral
you get auto deflection on enemies in the spin
chrome geyser
But I agree; without the quick spin the glaive is not very usable in battle.
lament coral
including bosses
chrome geyser
Athena GY 
lament coral
you gotta do what you gotta do
quaint gazelle
cause weak doesnt seem all that useful at lower heat levels
lament coral
you don't pick Aphro for weak
quaint gazelle
but i can see it being essential at higher heat
lament coral
you pick Aphro for the best scaling in the game
chrome geyser
Weak can get damage amp, the insane crit damage increase from artemis duo, and can last a long time for consistent privilege
AND aphrodite gives the best damage increase in the game.
lament coral
which is strange
chrome geyser
The functional HP increase from weak is useful; but definitely not the selling point
lament coral
considering she already has a boon that increases damage against weakened enemies
so it's more damage on top of her already best damage
chrome geyser
Also life affirmation from aphrodite works really well with GY (and cursed slash)
That boon is like 2 poms on top of your attack boons.
lament coral
it's strange
I think Poseidon should have Aphro's % damage
dude doesn't do anything outside of Styx
chrome geyser
I would increase poseidons flourish bonus.
lament coral
flourish?
chrome geyser
He has really good duos. Zeus, demeter, poseidon
Flourish boons are the ones that boost the special
They are all named flourish. Lightning flourish, heartbreak flourish, divine flourish, etc.
lament coral
I mean, he's just bad with melee weapons because enemies get pushed away from you, meaning you have to dive into em to get a follow up hit
chrome geyser
I think only Ares has boons that are not named strike/flourish
On rail; i like his attack. Since there is no stagger; it helps keep enemies away
sacred idol
@chrome geyser agreed, poseidon needs more knockback on special
More damage on melee
chrome geyser
Poseidon zeus does good damage to bosses too.
I meant more damage on special would be good for poseidon.
sacred idol
It's already incredibly high.
sacred idol
Special is the second highest, but knockback barely exists on the fast, small hit specials.
chrome geyser
80% would be fair
sacred idol
It's literally 10% below aphro
chrome geyser
You mean chiron?
chrome geyser
My thoughts exactly.
chrome geyser
And get rid of the wave pounding
I never got on chaos aspect actually. Should try it out.
sacred idol
Wave Pounding should be made a bigger value
Chaos does almost nothing
The knockback on shield throw is near zero
turbid needle
If Wave Pounding were made multiplicative then it would be fine.
runic crown
Chaos Shield aspect is amazing! Especially with Doom since it hits so many enemies.
runic crown
Oh... I never tried that with Poseidon's boons, but with the Bow special the knockback is also minimal
sacred idol
Yes
clear haven
Oh, the Chaos aspect? That's the multishield, right?
I tried that out, never looked back.
I can weak like a whole room full of enemies.
sacred idol
I like Zeus more. More fun
clear haven
Zeus is pretty cool! And I bet with practice, very effective. But that would require... actual skill.
Something I don't possess in quantity.
sacred idol
Bold of you to assume I have skill.
clear haven
Chaos aspect, I can't miss.
sacred idol
death defiance on Meg
clear haven
Plus it's a big creepy eye that looks around.
What's not to love?
Sauron would get it.
mortal tendon
What do y’all use for 32 heat ~__~
wet crescent
'lo there. Got to the fourth area for the first time a few days ago and got completely obliterated; as in dead within a few seconds. I know Hades is the type of game in which you progress by beating your head against its many enemies repeatedly, but do you guys have any tips for the fourth area and its tight(er) spaces?
mortal tendon
I’m still fresh but I try to get some form of consistent I-frames.(Athena dash, Poseidon/Athena/Ares call, trippy shot) or just have a really high burst aoe damage (hunting blades, lightning, posiedon dash) Trippy shot comes to mind to fit the bill for most of those rooms and has amazing upgrades attached to it also. The final rooms are usually where I take most of my damage. I also recommend getting the boulder legendary keepsake as it’s good early resources and provides some guaranteed health refill to negate some early game errors :]
Skelly keepsake is also great for early clears. Athena legendary is basically my go-to instant win boon condition which is obtained after you take her base boon followed by either Brilliant Riposate/Blinding Flash, then legendary can appear.
wet crescent
Thanks!
analog lodge
From my experience dash has natural I-frames(thus hermes extra dash helps) and shield blocks attacks from front when charging.
Generally getting a combination of boons that work well with your weapon will carry you pretty far. There are a lot of really powerful combinations.
steel lava
I usually use shield and my favorites are Poseidon or Zeus dash, and Ares or Dionysus special
quaint gazelle
i would say poseidons dash would be good cause
a) good damage
b) pushes enemies away
primal cape
my main tip for the fourth area is when picking your rooms pick them on what will help you the most for me this order goes Any boons > cerberus heart > anything else
kind cloud
Did we ever come up with a matrix/database for the optimal build for each aspect of each weapon?
For instance, artemis cast is awesome with poseidon sword or zeus special is great with chaos shield (provided you get jolted plus sea storm)
ripe parrot
Always makes me wonder if they're actually playing or something like testing/tooling.
timber temple
In the “noclip” they mentioned that they do daily team wide play for 1 hour and then get together to review the state of the game
primal cape
how come than gives a cerberus heart sometimes?
turbid needle
He drops a Centaur Heart if you get more kills than him in your contests.
quaint gazelle
i always lose more health than i need to trying to get a heart from than
inner heath
Finally worked my way up with each weapon to start 16 heat
Wasn't even a challenge with this heat setup + build
Felt good to finally hit that heat though
astral magnet
cerberus heart 😟
prime knoll
@astral magnet It would be time to throw down with Than if he dropped Cerberus' heart at my feet.
astral magnet
what if it gave you 500HP
inner heath
I don't need that much HP but I need my good boy
astral magnet
does cerberus have three hearts
prime knoll
or just a really big one
chrome geyser
I had to rage quit
I was given absolutely NO hermes boons up till elysium.
Run was otherwise good but was receiving so much damage-
inner heath
Oof. I love Hermes. He's definitely someone I try to get all three of his boons from in every run. Not getting him can be rough
...one of these days I need to try that 100% dodge build again
chrome geyser
I mean; i was offered twice in hell gates. Once in asphodel and once in elysium. I tried so hard. Spent 3 minutes trying to friggin kill an exalted ultimate being; and quickly try to kill the spirit ball. It was just so difficult.
And I ran out of fated authorities trying to get hermes; and the final shop did not have it and I was like; I am going to lose 3 DD's here; I can't do this.
clear haven
Anyone know if there are pseudorandom mechanics at all in Hades?
Specifically with Artemis' crit boosts and Aphrodite's charm chance on legendary?
sacred folio
Consider that attack happens very frequently, it'd be very hard to manipulate the pseudo-RNG for crit chance even if it's technically possible.
mild crag
of course there's pseudo-random elements since it's deterministic based on the seed
chamber rewards are one thing but in-combat stuff is completely implausible without tool assistance
dense locust
You think heart rend being multiplicative is unintended? Seems logical
The wiki also doesn't note that it is
Also I hope they clarify the tooltip for crits at some point. Saying it does +200% or greater is so vague
inner heath
Part of me feels like it's unintended, especially since her duo boon with ares is also multiplicative
But I feel like supergiant must know at this point, and it hasn't been changed yet, so maybe it isn't. I guess we'll find out sometime though
If it doesn't change by 1.0, that is
clear haven
@mild crag I don't mean the placement of tiles; just proc draws.
And there are reason other than manipulation to implement pseudorandomness.
mild crag
i know why it's implemented, but i don't really understand what you're asking now
clear haven
I just wanna know if it's implemented in Hades.
mild crag
well i'd be very surprised if they implemented true random in hades
so yes it is
basically any implementation of random is pseudorandom
small gorge
https://imgur.com/tIKrDjU
what a fish
clear haven
Most modern libraries contain robust rand functionallity. If you want pseudorandom you have to make it yourself, then test it for desired effect.
You have to fuss with the ascension ramp.
runic crown
This is why I want an Aquarium in our room! To show off perfect catch fish like that!
mild crag
i think you may misunderstand the concept if you think true random is an easier implementation than pseudo random
sacred folio
IIRC, true randomness in a computer only comes from entropies collected by hardware. Most-if-not-all programming languages' standard libraries only provide pseudo-RNG implementations.
clear haven
Okay, hold on.
@sacred folio Technically, all RAND functionallity in a digital system is actually deterministic, which is at best pseudorandom. But modern systems have sufficiently robust randomizing functionallity that a deviation cannot plausibly occur between now and the heat death of the universe. That's not the pseudorandom I mean.
What I'm talking about is placing an ascension ramp on mechanics that are said to be random so that they can more plausibly be certain to proc within defined constraints.
DOTA, for example, does this with almost every perecentile mechanic in the game.
mild crag
Oh, so you're talking about normalised chances then
clear haven
They do this because the game is competitive, and Valve desires outcomes that are less a function of proc events than they are of player decision.
I'm not sure exactly what you mean, but the normal effect of this process is to massively squash the deviation of normal curves describing the mechanics in question @mild crag
This is typically harder to program because you need to invent new functions and then test and tweak them, rather than simply calling for a random number.
mild crag
Yes
I misunderstood your initial question because you used terms that mean things which you didn't
But no, the implementation you're describing is not in Hades
sacred folio
Failed to find what ascension ramp means via Google. But I kinda understand "squash the deviation"
Just found a wiki page explaining the whole RNG thing in dota2, reading it now
clear haven
ascending probability function. You start lower than the stated proc chance, then increase the actual chance by some transformation of the difference. The net result is that even for very small sample sizes, an event with listed chance n will occur n/c times, where c is the number of chances to occur.
Yeah, it actually took them years to get that tweaked just right.
mild crag
similar thing happens with critical chance in league of legends iirc
but yeah
not in hades
clear haven
It matters a lot less in Hades, I think, because it is not competitive. But I wonder about those 5% proc chances from Artemis.
mild crag
It just uses Lua's standard Random library
sacred folio
Or C#'s, in the case of crit chance.
clear haven
Which is presumably robust.
mild crag
who knows
clear haven
They're... pretty good, good enough for light crypto.
mild crag
it's deterministic to the point that it's easy to manipulate
clear haven
Yeah. But who really cares if someone hacks Hades?
You could prevent that with memory tricks, but it's a hassle.
mild crag
yeah nobody cares
clear haven
People almost seem to care less nowadays. Ever play hegemionia: Legions of Iron?
That game has values stored in secure memory.
naive tusk
Koss ❤️
sacred folio
digital axle
clear haven
I had no idea...
mild crag
@naive tusk ❤️
clear haven
Okay, that one? I would LOVE it if fishing was normalized.
Geezers like me can't be expected to hit a .3 second window/
dense locust
@runic crown I left the aquarium idea as feedback and last I checked it was 63 and 1
clear haven
Fishing mechanics are my enemy. Even in RL.
To garuntee a rare fish gotta be within .34, sez the wiki. only 5% chance otherwise, and NO hope of a legendary.
I seriously can't hit that mark.
sacred folio
TBH the 5% chance to get a fish of higher rarity feels a bit off.
But I haven't found a better source to prove it wrong yet
clear haven
Game runs at 60, right?
dense locust
They should add another category. I caught a fish they other day that was probably .02 seconds mostly due my finger twitching at the right time XD
clear haven
I think also make legendaries possible in all categories before too late.
I... can make a 20 frame window, but...
It's actually unhealthy for me to consume enough caffiene to be able to.
dense locust
If its significantly faster than most human reaction times, give it a significant chance for a legendary
clear haven
Oh that is MUCH faster than most human reaction times.
sacred folio
One saving grace is that fake bobs can only happen up to 3 times.
clear haven
You have superb reactions. There are lotta Esports types who can nail that timing every time.
Speedrunners too.
But most humans? A third of a second on visual?
And factor for monitor lag...
runic crown
@dense locust Awesome!!! You are a friend and scholar!
clear haven
Am I mathing right? At 60 fps that'd be a 20.4 frame window?
clear haven
yeeeah.
twilit robin
I didn't even realize there were legendary fish until just now >_>
sacred folio
There was already a kinda heated discussion in the channel talking about, um, a slider to tune the timing of fishing.
Obviously nobody seems to be convinced.
Or I should say: nobody's mind seems to be changed
clear haven
You mean like a dynamic difficulty?
sacred folio
Yes.
clear haven
This would actually be one of the only situations where that would be appropriate.
Artificially maniupulating the slider to effect would a game all by itself.
Dynamic difficulty isn't ALWAYS a mistake.
It's one of those things people don't notice if it's done well. There's ways.
I'm guessing there were some bitter Oblivion players in said discussion?
grim loom
is it just me or is theseus really annoying
clever dock
personally i feel he's a pain
i only really mind him during the first half of the battle tho lol
chrome viper
I honestly loved the character until they made his attitude too... cartoony
they went overboard with the oblivious, loud hero persona
Extreme Measuers is perfect though
clever dock
just hard for me to multitask dodging spears and looking for minotaur attacks
grim loom
the persona is my favorite thing about him tbh lmao
clever dock
personality wise he's a bit much for me lol
grim loom
being able to roll my eyes at how corny he is is what keeps me from snapping my keyboard over my knee sometimes
and once the minotaur is gone, is the fight literally just taking turns with theseus as he throws his spear, walks away for a moment, and then becomes mostly invulnerable for a good bit?
chrome viper
like that event with Asterius ||about getting his autograph||
grim loom
no ye i got that
chrome viper
||he offers you his autograph, and when you reject it, he gives you an awkward ''I was joking, haha!''||
for me that's a bit... too much?
grim loom
i was just asking cus ive been having trouble getting the right pattern for most bosses
chrome viper
I see
dense locust
Theseus spear is the most annoying thing when you've recently increased or decreased forced overtime after getting used to a certain speed
clever dock
i kinda liked the autograph line tbh]
chrome viper
once the minotaur is gone you can wait until he throws his spear, after that he turns his back
sacred folio
Yes. It could become a turn-based combat if you can't bypass his shield.
dense locust
It often feels like it is
chrome viper
there are some hammer upgrades that allow you to bypass the shield if that helps
grim loom
ye ik he turns his back but it only leaves time for like. one attack
chrome viper
but mostly just stand behind a pillar if he's throwing the spear and then attack
dense locust
I usually do the stand behind a pillar method unless I have athena dash
or athena cast
chrome viper
you can also stand close to him, he'll do the spin attack, that also leaves him vulnerable
chrome viper
Anything that has Piercing on its name
dense locust
If you've only got 2 dashes though and forced overtime is in play, it can be hard to get out of the radius
or dodge the attack
chrome viper
lemme do a quick search
chrome viper
Those are Breaching upgrades
some of them do both though
Specifically Bow and Rail
their Piercing hammer upgrades allow you to pierce shield AND gives you additional damage against armored(yellow health) enemies
clever dock
ah okay
clear haven
Those weapons badly need such abilities.
dense locust
Well, if you've got a decked out rail special, you just wait till he turns around and then hit him for a quarter of his health
Don't you love those builds where when you have 45 seconds to survive Hade's minions, it's more like they have 45 seconds to survive against you?
clear haven
Well... more like 45 seconds to get smacked stupid by you.
dense locust
true
Also, I just love getting a chaos portal option right before the room before the boss and you get a boon with the consequence that all rooms are hidden. The thing gets finished by the time you even have a choice
clear haven
well, that's true, but I often cycle the reward on the first gate in Asphodel
dense locust
Have you ever done it when you couldn't see it?
It's a good bet that if you haven't got a hammer by then that it will be the first room, or if it doesn't offer a hammer, the first reroll usually is
clear haven
Well... yeah but if it's offering a hammer, you cycled it away.
The horror.
Upon reflection, that's my least used chaos effect
dense locust
yep lol, but if you already have a hammer and a hermes, you're pretty safe
clear haven
The not knowing will gnaw at my heart.
dense locust
I can almost guarantee it won't offer you either if you have one of each by then
I just go with the flow when i get that chaos
Try and use intuition if I do have to choose a door
naive tusk
That’s so like you, Dong ❤️
clear haven
how many chaos gates is hubris?
dense locust
Hey it's worked out so far Peach
hmmm, that question is too circumstantial to answer
if you already have one or two chaos debuffs, and you get a third which hurts you when you use your main source of damage
thats hubris
Hey, just to make sure, when getting a duo boon, either god will have equal chance in netting you that boon once the prereqs are met, right?
Like I have maxed aphrodite keepsake, and level 2 artemis keepsake, and I want heart rend, I go with the aphrodite keepsake
I can't imagine it not being the case, but some things in this game surprise me
sacred folio
It's... uncharted territory afaik.
lime estuary
I am starting to get really sick of Forced Overtime
quaint gazelle
which heat is that one again?
dense locust
The more you play it, the more you get used to it
quaint gazelle
is that the increased enemy attack speed?
lime estuary
yeah
dense locust
I kinda wish I had the option to just outright delete a boon, with nothing in return
lime estuary
don't get me wrong, I've been playing it for a while
there are just certain fights that are an absolute slog to get through with it on
lime estuary
Specifically the Extreme Measures versions of the Hydra + Asterius & Theseus
dense locust
1 level is a pretty good tradeoff since it gives 3 heat
the difference between level 1 and 2 though is very noticeable
lime estuary
Also, level 2 just straight up breaks certain hitboxes right now
dense locust
Yeah for the earlier heats, I usually will pump up overtime but leave off extreme measures
quaint gazelle
despite how innocuous it seemed at first, I've grown to hate the extra trap damage condition
quaint gazelle
it ruins runs man
dense locust
it was actually one of the last things I dared try because one false move and you're dead or like half hp
dense locust
I had something like 300% extra trap damage from chaos the other day without the heat, and I accidentally dashed into a floor spike trap and it killed me at full hp
quaint gazelle
at least that one only lasts 3-4 rooms though
dense locust
Although I think I was doing guan yu
lime estuary
The biggest issue with those fights is that even without FO, they just fill the screen with so much crap do dodge and so little space to work with
dense locust
Guan yu with 400% trap damage is just stress city
lime estuary
Add FO to that, and it's nearly impossible to not take heavy damage
dense locust
That's the reason that getting extra dashes is top priority for me
You can iframe through a lot of it and reposition
runic crown
StrongDong, I had the trap damage and died at full to the guillotine in Styx. Ive never turned it back on after that
quaint gazelle
i haven't dared touch extreme measures hydra since my first battle with it @lime estuary
dense locust
but hermes is not alway so giving
lime estuary
But you shouldn't have to get extra dashes just to stand a chance
dense locust
Yeah it's definitely one of the last heats I'll turn on
runic crown
Extreme Measures was not that terrible my first run through with maxed EM, but I did have a great ranged build vs Hydra
lime estuary
I think I'm going to put my complaints into #hades-feedback
quaint gazelle
fair enough
lime estuary
Those fights should still be bearable even at high heat
dense locust
They are bearable, but extra dashes is just the easiest way
clear haven
I dunno. Giving me extra dashes is an invitation to magmaworld.
dense locust
Got heart rend with zeus aspect shield and artemis special, and its critting for 377 a tick...
with some added chaos special damage
runic crown
I try to like the Zeus aspect so much but its so slow! My poor ranged option besides cast is gone
quaint gazelle
giving me extra dashes is an invitation to "forgetting i have extra dashes" world
dense locust
It does take some getting used to
it helps to get the hammer where you deal 60 aoe damage when you catch your special
runic crown
Getting the extra casts is something I always forget unless I'm doing a cast focus build
dense locust
but I like to just stack damage on it and run around as it follows me
Does anyone think that lightning rod kinda sucks a lot
runic crown
I do love the fact that it just keeps following you if you have drift or extra dashes
Lightning Rod is awesome but a bit situational
lime estuary
I guess I should preface my earlier complaints with the fact that these encounters have only become a major issue with me when using the Guan Yu aspect
dense locust
what I meant to say is that unless the aoe on lightning rod is huge, it feels pretty useless most of the time. In my experience, it rarely makes an impact
runic crown
The miniboss butterfly orb from hell room is great to leave the gems near that orb while you focus on the eggs
Ah! I do agree with that! The aoe is a bit small per bolt
dense locust
If it did lightning damage while stuck in an enemy, that'd be good
make it less damage but give it that effect
lime estuary
Generally I can tank the inevitable damage from those fights on other weapons, but with Guan Yu that's not an option
dense locust
thats duo boon strong
chrome viper
the area is p big and it stacks
so if you don't mind missing a few bloodstones it's an ok boon
dense locust
I find guan yu very difficult on higher heats because low max hp becomes a huge issue
runic crown
Unless you get lucky with Aphro getting you increased max health
dense locust
Even then, if I get max 200 hp at the Final Boss, if I screw up, I die very fast
And your regen mechanic doesn't really do much there
And then all your DDs are weakened as well
lime estuary
especially if you go with the condition that reduces your healing
lime estuary
Now that I think about it, my issues are more with Guan Yu then the fights themselves
dense locust
Mostly because I value sisyphus companion so much
lime estuary
(Though i still think those fights should be tweaked)
dense locust
I agree that Guan Yu might need a little bit of tweaking to be viable at high heat
Think im gonna take a rare hunters mark over lightning rod
Is explosive return damage modified by anything or is it flat 60 always
earnest ravine
Modified by flat damage boosts like Privelaged Status, Ares, Butterfly, crits, stuff like that, but not by any special or attack boons.
dense locust
Okay, does it maintain the crit chance of the special if you have artemis?
earnest ravine
No, it only works off of Pressure Points afaik
dense locust
Im doing artemis/aphrodite zeus shield with artemis special and heart rend and im trying to decide if I even need another hammer
earnest ravine
I don't think I've ever seen it crit without it.
dense locust
okay not big damage then comparatively
earnest ravine
Signs point to no unless you're more comfortable with piercing shot for whatever reason.
earnest ravine
Explosive Return IS one of the Zeus shield's best upgrades, though, because of how often you'll be catching and releasing it if you're playing well, but if the other door is more valuable, I dunno if it's worth trying for when there's so many upgrades that can ruin you.
chrome geyser
@lime estuary ; for high heat; you don't use the spin. You use the OP special; and you use the spin to recover HP in hallway fights. Unless you get all the right boons; special is much better than spin for damage.
lime estuary
At that point, why not just use a ranged weapon on par with the special that doesn’t cut my health in half?
Only being able to use the spin in hallway fights isn’t very appalling when bosses are where you lose the most health
The spin should still be a valid way to mitigate damage in every fight, not just a recovery function that’s useless at crucial moments
earnest ravine
Guan Yu scales really hard with its upgrades. When you have it at max, you essentially become unkillable thanks to a combonation of the healing (while still having 50 HP base), its high damage from its special, and the ability to use the one shot protection to heal all of the damage back up if you get hit while overextending in a way other weapons can't.
At lower ranks it's super punishing. At max you could probably kill more than one god once you get into the rhythm of it.
opal bay
Man imagine if special healed too.
earnest ravine
If you're talking Hell Mode, though, I can't really speak on that, since I know it removes the oneshot protection.
lime estuary
Not hell mode, but I’m specifically talking about higher heat levels, the kind with maxed out Extreme measures and at least one point of Forced Overtime
earnest ravine
Yeah. That's my usual baseline where I speak from.
lime estuary
At that point, the bosses completely invalidate the spin attack, and do enough damage to make breezing through the hallway fights moot
Either their damage is boosted through the roof, or you’ve picked the condition that penalizes healing, killing the spear’s regenerative capabilities
dense locust
I love explosive return but it doesn't synergize too well with my current build
Killing theseus as my zeus shield critted into him and i just kept dashing around in circles...
earnest ravine
That's why you don't go for the spin attack unless you have to, as a general rule. The regeneration is a BONUS that helps, the main draw of the kit is its multi hit high damage special.
Also the Guan Yu healing isn't affected by Lasting Consequence, as far as I'm aware.
dense locust
Can't imagine a more humiliating way of killing him
Guan yu healing is a flat 1 hp per hit
lime estuary
Yeah, that’s what it was when I had LC on
I’m pretty sure it’s more then that otherwise
chrome geyser
Because the range of GY is insane. It pierces; it damages in a line with a wide area. There is no other ranged weapon like the firecracker volley. It's a different kind of ranged weapon. At least how i feel.
opal bay
It isn't affected
chrome geyser
Bow pierces; but has a charge up time; does not have AoE.
rail is very different; since it is not high damage.
opal bay
Due to pure fact it does 1 hp return per hit and since that the game will automatically try to make it a full number.
dense locust
The guan yu charged attack is where the insane damage is at
chrome geyser
Charged skewer; aphrodite or artemis flourish.
dense locust
but the special is a lot better for killing the FB because he's so slippery
chrome geyser
The lifesteal; i agree i find it a bit pointless but you can farm regular rooms for HP by kiting.
dense locust
The lifesteal is great between rooms
chrome geyser
You make up for the HP loss with being able to go to boss battles with full HP
prime knoll
@chrome geyser fwiw, they suggest separating out your feedback so people can confirm/deny/react to it individually
dense locust
but its useless in boss fights
chrome geyser
I am about to drive home in a minute so i do not have time to seperate into 5 posts.
Hence
prime knoll
I had no issues with GY against bosses, but I didn't employ Tight Deadline. I'd probably stack on everything else (except no choice) before using TD.
earnest ravine
Wait. Oh god I'm silly, actually, the special attack is what I thoguht was the special and vice versa
chrome viper
should've waited until then to post
earnest ravine
are you KIDDING me? That thing does incredible damage, charges faster than the others, can be buffered, and keeps going while you move. It's far from useless!
(i blame it being visually and playstyle wise similar to my usual shield aspect, sorry)
But like, you aren't gonig to max charge it, a dash spin attack STILL is one of the best ways to absolutely chunk even the Extreme Measures bosses while making yourself immune to the consequence of misdodging.
opal bay
Athenas dash.
dense locust
Wow, took a chaos room right before the preboss room in elysium. Got legendary chaos boon with the punishment being I can't see the next 4 rooms... none of which have anything to offer anyway
opal bay
Oh lucky! Had that one time yoo
dense locust
It might as well have just said "here's a free life!"
opal bay
It's great to have it right before the boss.
prime knoll
I have only seen chaos legendary boon twice, and they were back to back in the same attempt
dense locust
lol
lime estuary
The bosses I’m talking about (Hydra and Thesus + Asterius) almost never stand still, especially with the forced overtime, so even with not using a full charge I can either never hit them with it, or the minor delay of charging and firing it is still enough for them to hit me
dense locust
all of your luck was used that day
opal bay
Wait. Two chaos legendary in one run?
prime knoll
yup, I was swimming in DD
earnest ravine
hydea has consistent tells where it holds still for several seconds at a time, as do the heads. Thesus and Asteriius both have SUEPR long vulnerability periods (relatively) after each of their attacks and Thesus even stands still to gloat to the crowd at several points.
lime estuary
Not on forced overtime
earnest ravine
also jeez louise that is some LUCK
YES on forced overtime, I refuse to play on less than 40%.
dense locust
Theseus and Asterius upgraded with 2 levels of forced overtime is a nightmare
It really tests how strong your build really is
and how good you are at positioning and dodging
prime knoll
Asterius puts you on heavy kite mode, but I feel pretty good about that fight.
dense locust
And double shielded mini chariots
prime knoll
on FO
dense locust
I hate those little dudes. Have to just dash around until they kill themselves
Especially if you're melee
prime knoll
It is fun to hit them without getting damaged, though, if you can manage
opal bay
Reminder that mini chariots can hit a wall and die.
dense locust
If they've got 2 of the blue shields from heat, they are scary
lime estuary
With the hydra, you can’t take advantaged if those tells when the arena is filled with heads all firing at you at once while you have nowhere to stand because the arena is so small (on EM)
dense locust
Yeah I always just let them kill themselves at this point
opal bay
So they aren't as much of the problem tbh. It's a problem when it's not JUST them.
earnest ravine
The spin attack, especially after a dash, shreds through the mini hydra heads and covers for you if you eat one hit (especially as most of their attacks trip the one shot protection so you literally can't get hit by more than one at once)
dense locust
I've had the most luck with upgraded Hydra on double overtime by doing a counterclockwise circle and hitting anything I can but never stopping
Most of their bubble gum waves will just miss naturally
and by the time they acknowledge you to stomp, you're gone
prime knoll
Yeah, I circle and fire off attacks between furious dashing
dense locust
Its all about being patient and killing them slowly over time
minimizing the number of skellys they spawn helps too
opal bay
Honestly, I came to realization that to make sure you kind of survive, getting Athenas dash in Apshodel or prior is very good
dense locust
Poseidon call works wonders against hydra
prime knoll
My biggest damage hit is usually mis-aiming a dash and ending up out of dashes just on the edge of the magma
dense locust
call not dash
opal bay
With that you can basically deflect every lava ball and bomb away
naive tusk
Lol Poseidon dash. I was gonna ask why exactly? 😂
dense locust
Especially in a pinch when you think you screwed up in positioning
Yeah lol, the dash not so great
naive tusk
I mean, the aoe is good
opal bay
Poseidon dash can be good if managed.
naive tusk
But not exactly wonder-making haha
earnest ravine
There was someone in here who swore by the Poseidon dash but I can't remember who.
opal bay
On higher heats its harder to have it as your main damage though.
dense locust
I got the poseidon dash with my zeus aspect shield and artemis special for big crit damage and I regret it so much.... I just push dudes out my spinning shield of death
I meant call
not dash
prime knoll
I had a zeus/poseidon build with poseidon dash and just about every combination of lightning boosting boons. It was glorious. Every dash would trigger several huge lightning bolts
dense locust
The call at level 2 or 3 is really good for extra damage, invul, and repositioning
opal bay
Poseidon dash can be good. Heck you can do a run where you basically just dash with it.
dense locust
They are my two favorite calls
lime estuary
@sacred idol that suggestion you just posted is actually a much more elegant summation of my issues, thank you.
dense locust
It can be good, especially if you are doing a timed run
naive tusk
Poseidon dash is good cc as well if you need breathing air
dense locust
its great for taking minimal damage in normal rooms
because everything dies so fast
and gets stunned
opal bay
I did a run where it's basically just poseidon dash.
dense locust
My fastest run was a poseidon/zeus run on rail with poseidon dash
at like 15 heat or something
sacred idol
I've been thinking about it for a long time, and I always felt like Hades having oneshots at 0 Heat was wrong. @lime estuary
dense locust
Although I've never really made an attempt at a fast run
sacred idol
That should be added damage due to heat. Because at those kinds of raw numbers, Hard Labor is basically kind of... both broken and de-emphasized in its specific threat level
lime estuary
So hard labour is the condition that screws me over the most with Guan Yu
sacred idol
On one hand, HL guarantees oneshots for some configs of Mirror or low Heart collection. On the other hand, most of it is ridiculous overkill.
earnest ravine
THAT is something I can agree with, at least. The damage numbers themselves can be pretty wacky to deal with and it makes Hard Labor feel like free heat because. hey, if it's gonna kill me ANYWAY at 0 heat, I should just try and avoid it and taking on some more isn't gonna change that.
opal bay
Isn't maximum hard labour Hades does 80 damage with boiling blood and a spin attack?
sacred idol
On the third Chaos hand, GY life steal isn't a meaningful playstyle when you have no room between full health and dead to heal anything back
@opal bay No idea. I just know base values for sure.
lime estuary
☝️
sacred idol
His thrust does over 100 with BB 0 Hard Labor
I think 110+
@earnest ravine add that thought specifically?
lime estuary
And the room you need to make that gap just gets wider and wider on higher heat
dense locust
I've dropped from full to 0 when I screwed up in dodging the big "bother" (the little urns that launch bombs) in styx and I was 250-300 hp
sacred idol
It perfectly articulates how these issues make Hard Labor feel in game
It's either miserable or basically free because whatever, it was going to instagib.
dense locust
the guy that shoots like 10 bombs at a time
naive tusk
I wanted to say my opinion but I think I might be the only one 😅
lime estuary
The PoP as a whole is really due for an overhaul isn’t it?
dense locust
I honestly think the balance is pretty good as is
but some of the heat choices need reworking
opal bay
I mean go ahead, Peach,
opal bay
We gotta see all the opinions and takes
dense locust
32 is doable but 33 makes me dip into the dreaded heats
opal bay
Otherwise we may not get to some exact conclusion.
naive tusk
All my spear runs up to heat 20 have been with Guan Yu and I’ve had no big issues. It’s a matter of knowing when to avoid + when to strike
dense locust
where 1 point is far worse than like 10 heat from the other choices
lime estuary
@naive tusk what’s your heat configuration?
dense locust
I think it also boils down to play style
naive tusk
I think the values are ok. The FB is supposed to hit hard and you are supposed to play strategically compared to what you’ve faced so far
opal bay
Aphrodite. Why she wasn't mention in the talk before?
dense locust
I've always been about amassing hp, dodge, chance, damage mitigation, athena or poseidon call, extra dashes, and then as long as my damage is significant enough, the run is in the bag
Also broken spear point always for biome 3 and styx
sacred idol
@naive tusk I just feel like he should hit hard but not approach or exceed oneshot thresholds at heat 0...
naive tusk
I always play with Extreme Measures + Forced Overtime + extra HP enemies + reduced healing + some other extras
prime knoll
One sentiment that I'm at odds with is the apparent ubiquity of Tight Deadline (at least among the active group on here). It seems to be the first thing people toggle, then move from there. It seems like a meta choice. Kind of like the Hard Labour comment. It's just free in many circumstances.
sacred idol
Because the main thing is, there is no more chip damage at that point.
earnest ravine
It's less even on the final boss, there's a few instances where I've noticed that Hard Labour doesn't change my playstyle in any meaningful way.
dense locust
REDUCED HEALING!? I can't
sacred idol
Everything is big chunky instant gib
dense locust
But it makes sense with guan yu
I do actually do the same when I am using guan yu lol
opal bay
Guan Yu with reduced healing being 100% is just free heat
naive tusk
Reduced healing doesn’t affect you too much with Guan Yu since his spin attack regen is unaffected
dense locust
Yeah
opal bay
Unless you use Bouldy.
sacred idol
And that kind of diminishes the presence of Hard Labor itself.
sacred idol
It's not doing most of the work. Base damage is.
dense locust
but every other weapon/aspect i keep that at 0 for as long as I can
lime estuary
I guess I’ll try Guan Yu again without Hard Labour
dense locust
So that sisyphus companion can give me that sweet health boost
Also if guan yu isn't level 5, good luck
sacred idol
My idea was just to make Hard Labor itself feel more meaningful
earnest ravine
I'm not quite sure of the solution for it, mind, which is why I didn't offer one. But it feels like... Iunno, I SHOULD be more scared when I take a hit on 100% hard labor when in reality it's just "oh that kinda sucks" and I move on because any attack that would kill me before is still gonig to kill me.
sacred idol
And "more damage" only means something when there is a bigger gap between full health and dead
See: furies.
They hit like an avalanche even at 1-2 stacks of HL
Despite having low damage per hit
That makes them significantly more threatening without being reliant on instant kills.
naive tusk
More damage will cripple you with Guan Yu. I suggest +20% or 40% then pick other heat options like convenience fee or jury summons
dense locust
The furies are particularly scary because the build at that point can be pretty inadequate
naive tusk
In fact, Jury Summons can help Guan Yu with healing
opal bay
I hate Tis's dash attack
sacred idol
That is kind of the point I was making - too much Labor makes GY's playstyle not exist
opal bay
That's all I can say about furies.
earnest ravine
I hate the instant spawning axe blade beneath my feet sometimes
opal bay
Or fact Alecto hides on top of traps
sacred idol
I just don't like one hit kills anywhere anytime...
lime estuary
Agreed
sacred idol
Also the -healing heat at max suuuucks
dense locust
When I play guan yu, I am a heart fiend, and I'll reroll when I can if I think I can nab another heart
sacred idol
It's just... kind of frustrating design
dense locust
pray for a chaos health boost
sacred idol
Because it removes a mechanic
What I kind of wish would happen: 20% healing per rank up to 4 ranks
naive tusk
Well, Hard Labor at 100% should be scary and say “hey, this is a challenge” 😅
sacred idol
So -80%
dense locust
Well, on the other hand, it's a different way of playing the game, which can take some time to learn and adapt to
prime knoll
Perhaps the pacts could add status effects instead of increased damage (or just another pact or two). I feel like being slowed when I get hit could be an engaging challenge
sacred idol
Taking lots of non instant killing damage is a challenge
earnest ravine
But that's the thing, it doesnt' feel like it. The only things that one shot you on Guan Yu are the things that would one shot you anyway. And even then, you can not be zero to deaded by anything aside from trap damage.
earnest ravine
There's an actual mechanic in place to prevent that.
prime knoll
it would effectively work like increased damage most of the time
naive tusk
Like I said, Hard Labor with other weapons is ok. Guan Yu can take other heat options if you think you won’t make it
sacred idol
"I would have been instakilled anyway, so who cares about all this overkill?"
naive tusk
Jury Summons is 👍🏼
sacred idol
Even with other weapons, Hades can oneshot
Thrust attack
It deals for sure over 70 damage
naive tusk
You should consider more hearts ❤️
earnest ravine
I think Boiiling Blood also shuts off the oneshot protection, in which case it's
sacred idol
Boiling blood+thrust can take an entire health bar. Whew.
dense locust
Jury summons is extra health regen
sacred idol
Oh yeah, it might
earnest ravine
Kinda a case of making that debuff actually impactful, so I don't have too much of a problem with that.
prime knoll
I find jury summons to be a slog
earnest ravine
So the damage with boiling blood is MEANT to be punishing because you messed up and any successive hit is further punishment. It's a good thing.
prime knoll
I want everyone to spawn at once so I can AoE them all at once and be done with it. 
sacred idol
What I dislike about Jury is the endless waves of slow gradual spawns yes
dense locust
Jury summons with a chaos boon that spawns extra enemies and you are competing against Than on Elysium.....
naive tusk
Remember y’all: you can customize your heat experience anyway you want ☺️
dense locust
It takes like 4 minutes
sacred idol
Especially in goddamn Elysium
@naive tusk Doesn't mean the heats can't be better and more engaging in and of themselves...
dense locust
there are like 10 waves of 12 enemies
sacred idol
More meaningful choice is always better
prime knoll
^
sacred idol
Oh, I hate Elysium spawns.
They need to be half the max amount
Because literally zero heat can spawn like 40 enemies in batches of three.
Jury what now?
dense locust
The heats I really have an issue with (mostly because they give a pitiful amount of heat) are no choice (1 level is okay, 2 level is playing an rng simulator), tight deadline (again 1 level is fine, but being timed makes me play far worse) and budget cuts (1 heat wtf!?)
prime knoll
There are several pacts that I'm interested in thematically, but their practical effect is less than stellar (many mentioned above); so rather than just letting it be "something other people must enjoy," I want to see it be enjoyable for me (which will hopefully improve the experience for others as well).
sacred idol
I do feel like some heats are just kind of No Fun Allowed
The Hard Labor thing is just... simply put, I want the heat itself to feel more consistently meaningful.
earnest ravine
Budget cuts should definitely be examined (and was mention in the ask supergiant q&a a while ago), but the IDEA of a no darkness run is super fun.
sacred idol
Meg should comment.
earnest ravine
and having doen a few, it's fun in practise, but overall way more challenging than the other heats.
She does!
sacred idol
Oh, cool
earnest ravine
And there's dialogue back in the lounge when you win.
sacred idol
So she does have a counterpart dialogue for that, neat
prime knoll
It's interesting, but as others have mentioned in feedback- I don't engage with the mirror restrictions because I can't do that at the pact screen.
earnest ravine
0 darkness though, not just budgetcuts
sacred idol
The one darkness thing I feel is kind of poorly implemented above all others is...
Second dash
dense locust
I can see how a system where heats that are extremely limiting and give you just 1 heat can be a valid way of making the end game very difficult, but it undercuts the option to custom tailor the heats to your liking while climbing the heat ladder, which is what I think makes the heat mechanic good
earnest ravine
I got Hermes giving me +1 dash during a no darkness run and wanted to cry in thankfulness because the game felt so awkward without it, so I do agree there
dense locust
Like for me the difference between heat 32 and heat 36 is far bigger than the difficulty increase from 1 to 10, and from 36 -38 is like equivalent to 1 to 17 or 18
mostly because you're forced to pick those terrible terrible heats
sacred idol
@dense locust Extreme limiters not giving extreme heat feels like a design inconsistency, because it's against what other heats' design shows
@earnest ravine Wait, zero death defiance?
sacred idol
Whew.
I'm not good enough to do that on 0 heat
Can't say I've ever had the reaction time to do a no DD run except on the most broken builds
earnest ravine
I haven't done one in a while because I'm trying to get better at 32 heat, but I could PROBABLY manage it 10 minutes faster than i used to with all of the practise.
dense locust
@sacred idol Yeah I agree that it feels like an inconsistency
@earnest ravine Yes! It's fun because you realize how far you've come directly
can you choose to take no weapon aspect?
earnest ravine
You can, but any upgrades you used aren't refundable.
dense locust
I mean for the infernal arms
dense locust
zags aspect level 1?
dense locust
well thats fine, i'm just wondering if there is an option to temporarily downgrade yourself instead of starting a new file
civic barn
it would be a nice touch but i imagine there's a reason why you can't refund this in particular...hopefully?
i imagine the weapons drink it
earnest ravine
The weapon goes slorp
civic barn
they were after all, made to be use against the titans
growing stronger the more they drank titan blood sounds like a reasonable way to power itself up against what amounts to immortals
dense locust
I managed to kill a titan and bring back the body to my infernal beauties. I had to leave because the carnage was too much
Hungry little fellas
skelly was way too into it
fiery silo
Aphrodites is killer boon...I had a nice mix build Ares / Aphrodites with the Chiron bow... Was clearing everything like it was nothing
opal bay
I imagine it since so you can't just have enough blood to change around the weapon and aspect you like
dense locust
What if they had to be fed
opal bay
And sell off other blood
opal bay
Tedious, but you are basically saving up and can break the flow of the game
By breaking it's economy with the banter
dense locust
I just have a lot of blood I have no use for
opal bay
New weapon is coming so there will definitely use for the blood soon.
dense locust
Has anyone looked at the Perilous Foes in the codex? Some of their names are hilarious
opal bay
Oh yeah I have, though I forgot en
dense locust
It'd be cool if they added one more aspect beyond the planned 4th that was very expensive but very fun. Not necessarily over powered or anything, maybe just goofy and memey
but i'm sure they have plans for extra banked resources
sacred idol
Aspect of Charon
dense locust
You become a traveling sales person tasked with making a certain amount of money
Had a great Zeus aspect shield with artemis special and art/aphro boons with extra chaos special damage, along with poseidon/zeus duos. Legendary chaos boon for a very unnecessary extra life: https://imgur.com/4wzg8gO
left the game running which hurt my time 😦
grim loom
holy crap satyrs suck when youre using the aspect of ||guan yu||
frosty pier
I would disagree. Satyrs usually blow, but yeah not fun.
dense locust
Ugh, serrated edge isn't great.
frosty pier
Yeah... I-frame dodging is not for everyone.
dense locust
Are you even invul while he triple hits?
I won my run with it solely because I had athena call and a common second wind, but the call was up every 6-7 seconds
sacred idol
Is it me, or does EM Minotaur have a bigger hitbox than his physical axe
earnest ravine
Most of his swings have little purple wave AOES. so that might be it.
sacred idol
Nope, I died to a white sweep
That hit just outside of its range.
Every time I die to Theseus to progress the autograph quest... Hypnos isn't around.
frosty pier
I think you need to die to Asterius soloing you?
sacred idol
Huh. I was told to die to Theseus.
mild crag
i dont think it matters which one you die to but he only signs it in the miniboss encounter
sacred idol
Yeah, the thing is, I already got the first miniboss convo about the autograph, but apparently based on my text log I'm missing a key conversation about Theseus' final blow
Today I learned: Raging Rush deflects on the entire dash
rofl, Poseidon just showed up to give me sunken treasure at the last second.
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Yes, it blended. Even without Vicious Cycle...
earnest ravine
Will It Blend is my favourite Hades minigame
lusty gust
how many people even use aspect of guan yu?
you basically need 2 daedalus upgrades and it becomes SS tier
lime estuary
Thinking about it more, my issues from the other day were way more with the bosses themselves then the spear
Looking back, it’s kinda embracing how much of my complaints were just me being salty
I still stand by my frustration, and hopefully I can articulate it better in the future
empty birch
Does anyone know if Added Influence stacks with Ocean's Bounty?
frosty pier
If you mean like chaos boons?
empty birch
yes
turbid needle
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/181645099485233152/684782052029104170/20200304231845_1.jpg so today i decided to skip the lower heat runs and go for the statues, patroclus saved my life
serene pewter
Is Doom bad or have I just not gotten a good run with it yet?
opal bay
doom is very good if you pick it for the specials
sick dome
I wouldn’t say it’s bad necessarily, but I think a good deal of other effects are better. Chill, hangover, weak etc
Yeah it’s alright honestly
dusky drum
do you guys ever get the aphro Poseidon duo at the end of styx??
y'know, when its useless
i got it as an option
mellow rune
atomic mist
Idk if this is a bug or what but I feel like the spearpoint doesn't activate fast enough to block quick consecutive hits
sacred idol
@turbid needle damn you booben, I was trying for that combo two runs ago and just died.
@atomic mist Intentional nerf, it has cooldown. Still blocks a few rapid hits though.
turbid needle
it's such an awesome combo, you really should try it out
atomic mist
I took 3 or 4 rapid hits from those brightswords before the shield popped up, and I'm pretty sure I hadn't taken any damage on that room, but I guess it's possible that I just didn't notice it
hollow sorrel
I use Guan-Yu. If you get the charge special hammer, that can carry you the entire game
wintry tusk
https://i.imgur.com/tJeAdes.png I picked the one where it reduces health but gives a reward afterwards, they really don't want you to sacrifice a death for choosing it.
chrome geyser
@earnest ravine i stand by poseidon dash. It can become a main source of damage in rooms. The dash damage is as good an as attack and usually activates wall slam.
I'm just reading through the page.
earnest ravine
Aha, okay, I couldn't rememeber who here liked it, but I knew it was SOMEONE!
earnest ravine
Probably to make up for the fact that its secondary effect doesn't do much to bosses without a boon (that was added after the fact).
chrome geyser
I've changed my opinion on dashes; the only dashes I don't really find much use for is zeus and aphrodite. And i still take them sometimes.
Well; lets say that your single target damage is high (hestia, chiron with good boons) but you are having issues with rooms with many enemies.
You need a crowd control skill; something like a high damage zeus cast, festive fog, or a large aoe dash.
Usually athena is best for dash; but your build may actually want something else.
jagged cairn
First 16 heat clear! https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/510591566164000788/684820202122510358/Hades_00094.png
chrome geyser
Like you already got +2 dashes for defensiveness; and you need privilege for damage; then aphrodite, demeter and dio dash becomes better than athena dash.
Its nice to see non-zeus rail builds! Kudos.
earnest ravine
Nice job!
jagged cairn
I've had good luck with Athena dash + exposed, then Aphrodite attack and Artemis special with the rail
And that's the highest HP I've ever got
earnest ravine
Oh my god i hadn't noticed until you pointed it out
jagged cairn
Could have had 12 more but I sold the Aphrodite boon before I bought the health upgrade in Styx. haha
earnest ravine
Oh! Figured that was what it was but then saw you didn't have life affirmation and then slid into horror
That makes a lot of sense
jagged cairn
And it gave me just enough money to buy one more thing too
iron shale
does greater recall require quick reload ?
jagged cairn
No, I've got it many times without that
jagged cairn
I think the only prerequisite is just any other Hermes boon
turbid needle
^ It's that
quick juniper
Does anyone have advice for the final boss?
quick juniper
I think I'm just unsure of what Boons I should use
chrome geyser
Here are some cookie cutter builds;
-Rail eris aspect; zeus on attack also snag aphrodite support fire for good damage
-Arrow chiron aspect: Aphrodite on attack, dionysus on special, aim for duo boon
-Sword poseidon aspect: Artemis cast, and artemis boons
-Spear guan yu aspect: Artemis on special, or aphrodite on special.
-Shield chaos aspect: Zeus on special
-Rail hestia aspect: Aphrodite or artemis on main
-Arrow hera aspect: Dionysus cast, zeus and demeter for their duo boons
-Sword nemesis aspect: Aphrodite on attack for high damage crits
-Spear achilles aspect: Ares on cast, aim for hunting blades duo with artemis. (Charging gives damage boost to your cast)
-Shield any aspect: Poseidon knockback bonuses to synergize with the natural knockback on bull rush and attacks
In general aim for athena; as deflect (especcially on dash) is pretty powerful.
You should have some titan blood from fighting megaera and doing fates prophecies. Use them to unlock new aspects.
chrome geyser
And just play the game! It seems super hard but reflexes kick in after playing a while and FB does not seem impossible!
Also; the name of the final boss is considered spoilers. Please refer to the man as either final boss, FB for short or spinny disco laser ball boi.
Oh nvm i thought you referred by name. My bad
scarlet urchin
This run just... things came together really nicely at the end.
Still lost a DD. Didn't have much mobility not enough dashes or speed to get out of the way in time for some things. (Or maybe I'm just bad at manoeuvring. )
scarlet urchin
oh yea.
chrome geyser
+160 damage per cast blast
scarlet urchin
Yea I wasn't really going for a cast focused build at the beginning but it just kinda... turned out that way.
So I rolled with it.
chrome geyser
Rare crop?
scarlet urchin
yea.... got it very very early on hence both Trippy shot and Chill strike are heroic..... idk why I took it over other stuff I started this run over a day ago but never got to finish it. ^^:
quick juniper
Yeah I keep trying to practice and test out strategies
scarlet urchin
I hope one of these days I get exclusive access before the temple of Styx.
To me it's still worthwhile taking it if I get it all the way at the beginning of the temple but..... I want just one run where I get it reaaally early on. that'd be hella fun.
rancid shore
That duo is the one I had the hardest time getting
and when I did it was literally my last boon
scarlet urchin
ohh nice that sounds so sweet.
ripe parrot
It was but I think it was my run that crashed lol
quiet arrow
does anyone know how i can get thanatos' favour to trigger? i've had him maxed on regular hearts for a while now but still nothing :') at least i've got meg and dusa's favours done ;;
iron shale
@chrome geyser lol looking through the list you got outside of a few nearly all aspects i didnt get
i love zeus shield so much
such broken damage
silver seal
@quiet arrow i think all u can do is keep playing and talking to him lol
sick dome
Maybe my favorite most overpowered build I’ve ever done so far is an artemis cast focused build with Poseidon aspect. Literally just oodles of damage and you’re super safe the whole time
silver seal
eventually itll happen
finite violet
quiet arrow
ok thanks! just wanted to be sure i wasn't missing a hidden trigger
night path
yeah it appears to be entirely random
encountering him in game will help speed it up because he's probably going to appear after a run then
the requirements for him appearing in game though is getting damaged from non-chaos sources it seems
but he wont always appear even if you get damaged
and even if he does appear in a run, he wont always appear in the house
sick dome
Ye it’s suuuuupper fun
iron shale
any other details for it ?
sick dome
Try to get exit wounds when you can as that just adds sooooo much damage on top of what you’re doing already
And try to get as many casts as possible too
Never hurts
scarlet urchin
aww dammit I got exclusive access in Asphodel but ran out if time in Elysium. Dx
ripe parrot
Noooo :<
scarlet urchin
yeh.. it was such a good run too I had chaos shield with artemis on the special like
it was perfect
so
so perfect.
just too slow. ;-;
ripe parrot
That sucks.
prime knoll
I got out of the flow and bungled two DDs in the first phase of FB, but otherwise went untouched and danced around applying Privileged Status. I dropped three full bar Demeter Calls during the fight; by the time I thought to myself "I should put down a pip of her call" it notified me "Press RT for max call."
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/792009598863963676/E4B41A881E6410619356CB23E9D7F59FB873F2B6/
Heroic Clouded Judgment was nice
@scarlet urchin I am frequently surprised when I have a build I feel is just tearing through every room only to reach the end and my time is higher than average.
I tend to kite a lot and use ranged weapons, so maybe it's the difference between builds where I have to run a lot and ones where I am doing more attacking (which may feel like more progress).
scarlet urchin
Yea.. I'm not really used to timed runs either so that doesn't help.
prime knoll
I have done it once or twice, but so far I prefer most of the other pacts
Has anyone else noticed FB's lasers just... not happening? It seems like FB goes into laser mode but just strikes the pose without firing. I can't tell if it's the same as the invisible shockwaves or if it is the attack just not going off. I have only seen it the past couple days, though...
chrome geyser
if you are trying to encounter thanatos; doesn't turning the time limit make him replace the rooms with "survive for 40 seconds"
@prime knoll it's all random my dawg. Sometimes he is the spinny disco ball; as in he will do it 5 times. Sometimes all he does is spam his casts so much that there are 8 skulls on screen at a time.
prime knoll
Is there any incentive to fight stuff in those rooms?
chrome geyser
Absolutely none.
But if you have some heat on; you probably want to get rid of some riffraff.
Mostly brimstones and skulls.
prime knoll
No I mean, he is in the laser animation but there be no lasers
chrome geyser
Happens a few times; i think if the FB can't find you to target you that's when it happens.
Like if you are too far away; or if they are staggered in a certain way.
prime knoll
chrome geyser
I also have been wanting the spinny boi to shoot dem lazors more often; since i found out you can face hug him while the lasers are shooting and you will be fine.
prime knoll
and then I guess have y'all seen the shockwaves be invisible (only sometimes)? The ground is distorted but the colored VFX don't show.
chrome geyser
That happened to me once.
prime knoll
I see it quite a bit with the EM stomper and with FB
chrome geyser
The nutcracker? That fight is so horrible for me.
prime knoll
or with the skulls during FB fight
chrome geyser
I had the shockwave visual de-synced with damage zone a lot in that fight.
But never had no visual.
prime knoll
Interesting. Yeah, it just looks like a water ripple through the terrain textures rather than the distinctly-colored ring
It would make for a neat "harder version" but it is inconsistent and probably a bug
Now I just need to get to that fight and remember to F10...
chrome geyser
I would say it's a bug. I have had missing texture issues before. Mostly audio though; like some sound effects will disappear or get stuck every now and then.
Resets usually fix the problem; but I understand there is no resetting during a FB fight.
@iron shale i tried to include all non-zag aspects. I think the only one i did not include was Hades. I never really played with Hades aspect that much; i unlocked achilles first and now i just use guan yu. (special is TOO good)
iron shale
@chrome geyser i am deeply in love with the zeus aspect shield
iron shale
yeah lul
my strongest one
was probably zeus and poseidon duo boons
on the poseidon special
dusky drum
yes
warped oxide
I feel like I should stop playing Hades now and return on the full release
dusky drum
why??
warped oxide
I am getting too addicted ffa
sick dome
The games getting another update in less than a week
dusky drum
thats just the rouge lite genre
and what im going to do is start a new file when the game releases
sick dome
I probs will as well
ripe parrot
I'm going to start Hell Mode for the final release.
dusky drum
i feel like taht im getting to the point taht i might be able to get to ||hades|| with minimal things
i.e first run
but i havent tried
warped oxide
The only runs I lose now are cursed runs
ripe parrot
The thing that makes or breaks my run is the Theseus fight haha
warped oxide
Reaching mid asphodel with only two functioning boons
I'm really excited to compare my "meta" to others
sick dome
I’m only just now starting to use pierced butterfly so once I get that leveled up I’ll actually try and buckle down on rising through the heat ranks
Try to unlock some of those sweet skelly statues
ripe parrot
Butterfly is so good
dusky drum
what is its lvl 3 mod
warped oxide
I had a 40% from butterfly at elysium once
sick dome
2%
dusky drum
thats a lot
warped oxide
Hard carry
sick dome
Yeah
dusky drum
you can get like 20+ out of tarturus if your good
and like hit 60 ish out of asphodel in best case
ripe parrot
With Plume you can stack it pretty well through Tartarus and Asphodel and then I usually switch off in Elysium
dusky drum
what is considered an encounter in styx??
sick dome
Any combat encounter
ripe parrot
Though the lame thing is that switching it out gets rid of the stacks
dusky drum
like each room??
sick dome
Nah combat
warped oxide
What plume do?
sick dome
That’d be busted if you got stacks off of shops and stuff lol
dusky drum
because in styx there is a bunch of encounters for one reward
ripe parrot
Plume raises Movement Speed and Dodge chance
dusky drum
so im curious about styx
warped oxide
Oh I remember that one
dusky drum
cuz then you get a heck ton
ripe parrot
I think in Styx they don't count those as separate encounters.
At least on Plume it didn't
warped oxide
Butterfly until Styx (or elyssium in a weak run, then usually distant memory of the broken sword
ripe parrot
Only on the last room of each door did it proc the thing.
dusky drum
oof
warped oxide
Also self bombing gun hammer upgrade is almost auto win
Absolutely destroys all bosses with enough crit
Whats everyone's favourite dash?
sick dome
If you use butterfly you usually don’t want to take it off as you lose the benefits
But certain situations call for it
dusky drum
the one problem i have with plume and butterfly is that you need to dedicate your runs to it for it to get really good
sick dome
Yerp
dusky drum
id rather get my boons situated by end of asphodel then i go for optimizing in elysium
sick dome
I don’t think I’ve ever been happier seeing an item in a game than when I see a Daedalus hammer. It’s such a good feeling knowing you’re weapons gonna get stronk. My favorite dash is probs Dionysus
jagged cairn
How exactly does the math work on Darkness % boosts? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/510591566164000788/684866948080730150/Hades_00100.png
Last boss is normally 300 Darkness right?
jagged cairn
I got 1415 from him and trying to figure out exactly how it stacks. lol
astral magnet
i would guess they’re additive not multiplicative at least
jagged cairn
And just trying to get another FA
Just need a little over 500 Darkness for it
After that run
chrome viper
I just got killed by Tight Deadline while against Extreme Measures Theseus, and when Zag came out of the pool he said ''Showed that stupid Hydra, at least''
it's the first time I hear that one since Hydra was the last boss, is that normal?
errant crown
@celest hollow maybe #h1-tech-support is what you're looking for?
idk actually I'm just another confused newb but hope you find some solution!
prime knoll
oof. I'm way off my game today. I just had two runs in a row where I had no trouble at all til FB, then proceeded to just choke hard. Both times, I was never offered any dash upgrades. 😦
celest hollow
Nah I was pretty pissed that I lost a run because of what I can only assume is a bug
A bunch of maps (the final boss included) don't have collision for bloodstones at their borders.
So my Hera Bow that I carefully put together and was finally on the road to winning with was completely neutralized in the boss fight because I couldn't get my bloodstones anymore and I didn't have a legendary Hermes' Boon -_-
civic barn
quick question: is serrated edge only available on guan yu aspect
turbid needle
Nope. You can get it with all spear aspects
civic elbow
Hello everyone ! Like everyone, I have kinda experience to share but it's more like a gameplay/controller problem !
sacred idol
The one hammer you can only get on the base aspect is Shield Charged Throw @civic barn
And no other hammers are completely unique to one aspect
prime knoll
this frame hitching issue is just getting worse. I just died from half health because I stood in place for .25 seconds taking laser hits.
tough to dodge or hide when input doesn't work. 😬
sacred idol
Oof
prime knoll
I've lost three runs in a row because my frames hitch enough during the FB fight that I burn all my DDs...
glad flume
Pumped for next update
civic barn
is it CPU depending? i feel like i used to have a similar issue but i haven't seen it since i upgraded to ryzen. That said, there was a bit of a [time] gap, too, so it might be an update doing the job for me instead.
been playing spear for quite a bit the last few days and it feels...clunky, compared to the other weapons.
prime knoll
@civic barn I have i5-8600K. fwiw I didn't have this issue two weeks ago, but it has been plaguing me since.
There have always been the occasional hitch with lots of effects at once, but it has spread
civic barn
if there were occasional hitches before it does seem like cpu might be the hurdle, but i wouldn't say that's a good diagnosis. for reference, i use to have an i5 too and i had some slowdowns, too.
sorry i can't help more 😦
prime knoll
No worries. Could be worse. Just weird that it has crept up.
hollow sorrel
I'm not sure what it could be, unless your hard drive is almost full, or too many applications (or internet tabs) are open.
prime knoll
I tried it once with every other app closed and got the same behavior.
It's installed on SSD
sacred idol
Hmm
Just to experiment with it, try disabling the sending data function or the steam overlay on separate occasions...
celest hollow
I think I've found my favorite build so far lol
sacred idol
Could try using DDU to clean install graphics drivers
celest hollow
I've made the shield a better bow than the bow, sudden rush + piercing shot or w/e it os
sacred idol
Bluetooth driver as well if you use controller
celest hollow
I've got Deflect on the Blitz Shield and main attack, along with the 20% crit duo ❤️
prime knoll
@celest hollow yasss
celest hollow
Just spamming like 180 damage constantly, with deflect giving me 20% crit chance on everything.
prime knoll
Hmm. Yeah, I use xbone controller.
celest hollow
I play M&KB which gets annoying tbh but I don't like controllers
It's way too easy to lose the cursor in a fight though -_-
sacred idol
I had atrocious hitching before I reinstalled Intel's Bluetooth driver.
prime knoll
I realy enjoy the controller function for the most part on here, though I basically play all PC games with controller.
celest hollow
Also at least on YT it seems like most people have a much easier time dodging/maneuvering with the joysticks
sacred idol
It's infinitely superior for defense/evasion
prime knoll
Yeah, I tried KBM and realized how different and "less awesome" dodging was so I figured anything gained from it wasn't worth it. Dodging is pretty smooth with controller (outside of some of the issues present in dodging in general, like inconsistent dodge barriers.
sacred idol
And personally a crippling loss for rail bombing
I use KBM for rail exclusively now.
Should go back to controller for non rail
prime knoll
the auto-aim for rail make Hestia runs 👌🏽 though. Who needs a special when you snipe for 300+?
sacred idol
Rail having strafe functionality and aiming the bomb with the mouse is game changing
If you use zeus dash or dio shotgun or cluster bombs
prime knoll
I've gotten used to letting go of the stick after dashes to allow the aim, then return to it for more dashing- true for the spear and bow as well.