#h1-builds-and-combat | Supergiant Games | Page 419

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 8:40 AM

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If you get him on the wrong slot you're boned

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 8:40 AM

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I think poseidon call is top 2 or 3

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 8:41 AM

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The right slot and the right tier 2/3 and he's king of any room besides boss room

rancid shore Feb 25, 2020, 8:41 AM

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his call is strong but man is it hot garbage to control on kbm

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 8:41 AM

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The right duo and then he also steamrolls bosses 4head

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Call is amazing but buggy apparently

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People losing controls

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 8:41 AM

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Someone informed me that if you're moving while you use it

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you lose control

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so you have to stop movement and then use it

rancid shore Feb 25, 2020, 8:42 AM

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what the hell? how is it that broken

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 8:42 AM

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obviously not ideal, but ive had a lot better luck with it ever since

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who said anything about broken

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 8:42 AM

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Weird, I've used it while moving

rancid shore Feb 25, 2020, 8:43 AM

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If you lose control to something you should be able to control for a silly reason, it's broken

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 8:43 AM

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Yeah idk how accurate that is, but i try and stop movement before I use it and its been far less buggy

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oh i thought you meant broken as in too good

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its very buggy, but even as is, invul, positioning, and massive aoe damage

night path Feb 25, 2020, 8:44 AM

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Tbf broken can also mean too bad

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 8:44 AM

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I know

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 8:44 AM

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It probably is bugged though

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 8:44 AM

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Im sure it is

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 8:45 AM

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It's broken and broken.

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4Head

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Technically correct. The best kind of correct.

rancid shore Feb 25, 2020, 8:45 AM

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SGG said why not both

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 8:45 AM

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Amirite

night path Feb 25, 2020, 8:45 AM

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I've had no problems with poseidon call

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 8:45 AM

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Broseidon

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 8:45 AM

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I can't imagine them making the decision to make it uncontrollable if you're moving

night path Feb 25, 2020, 8:45 AM

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It feels like the controls are like a boat

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 8:45 AM

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Like I said, he's often the best and worst god

night path Feb 25, 2020, 8:45 AM

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You have to steer it

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 8:45 AM

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The bug is that you cannot steer it

night path Feb 25, 2020, 8:45 AM

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Ahh

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 8:45 AM

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you just rocket launch in whatever direction you were facing

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Ive lost 2 or 3 runs because of it

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 8:46 AM

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Other gods... Zeus attack has other use cases at least. Like Serrated spear dash attack.

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 8:46 AM

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but I keep going back because its so good

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is that the triple attack

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 8:46 AM

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Why would Demeter be bad for speedruns, on another note

night path Feb 25, 2020, 8:46 AM

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Serrated spear is too squishy for me

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 8:47 AM

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Her boons are strong and have some nasty effects on t2+

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Killing freeze and winter harvest are ape nutty

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DoT is like, 40?

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 8:47 AM

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is demeter last for speed runs?

night path Feb 25, 2020, 8:47 AM

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Ideally in speed running you want to kill everything as quickly as possible and demeter takes time to actually get a hold of

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 8:47 AM

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i mean DoT inherently is the opposite of ideal for speed runs

night path Feb 25, 2020, 8:47 AM

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For her full potential

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 8:47 AM

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Apparently it's like... just above poseidon according to exactly one person

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But dio is higher

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Thonk

rancid shore Feb 25, 2020, 8:48 AM

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yeah it's weird that dio is higher

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 8:48 AM

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Also no, Dem has really high base attack.

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 8:48 AM

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Second only to aphro right?

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 8:48 AM

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Keep in mind the DoT is just icing (heh) on the second highest base damage in the game.

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And chill explosions

rancid shore Feb 25, 2020, 8:48 AM

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maybe the chill? i don't really see it, but maybe

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 8:48 AM

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or maybe speedrunners are dumb XD

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 8:48 AM

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Shotgun rail and all can stack hard

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Although

night path Feb 25, 2020, 8:49 AM

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Sure but it's not aoe really

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 8:49 AM

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If they rely on Poseidon aspect or something

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I guess?

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She has the worst cast for fast runs

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 8:49 AM

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What im wondering is

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 8:49 AM

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Unless you get like 6 of the goddamn things

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 8:49 AM

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if you're doing a speed run

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 8:49 AM

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Although poseidon would mega buff that dps tick

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 8:49 AM

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aren't you only making the fastest speeds with the top builds?

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 8:49 AM

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Yeah, tbh

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 8:50 AM

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so wtf do the lower tier boons matter

night path Feb 25, 2020, 8:50 AM

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They allow you to reach the higher tiers

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 8:50 AM

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Which is mostly Poseidon Aspect's brokeass cast builds

night path Feb 25, 2020, 8:50 AM

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Indirectly and directly lol

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 8:50 AM

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I guess that's one universe in which Artemis is the single best god

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 8:50 AM

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The list is probably pointless after a certain point

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 8:51 AM

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Otherwise, on Heat runs, she's top support but not exactly the be-all of gods by herself

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 8:51 AM

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because if your seed gives you the wrong gods boons, you just reset the seed

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 8:51 AM

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And Ares is all or nothing. He's like Poseidon: You win the lottery, or you have a miserable experience with no DPS.

rancid shore Feb 25, 2020, 8:51 AM

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don't they all do seeded runs anyway

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or most of them at least

night path Feb 25, 2020, 8:51 AM

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Is jumping into asp the most straightforward way of reseting?

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 8:51 AM

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Ares isn't consistent at anything - he's a magikarp power god

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At least on his stronger build

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Slicing shot starts out unbelievably trash and power spikes with hunting blades.

rancid shore Feb 25, 2020, 8:52 AM

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even doom is kinda underwhelming

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 8:52 AM

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Doom works out of box but falls off late without athena to det

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 8:52 AM

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If you're playing for time, it only makes sense to play until you get a nearly perfect seed

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 8:52 AM

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If you do have her, impending doom+merciful end IS good

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 8:53 AM

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and then you just play that until you

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can do it fast

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 8:53 AM

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But again, he is kind of binary.

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Also like Poseidon.

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The best and the worst

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Depending on the minutiae of your build

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Demeter is one of the most consistent I feel like.

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Scaling up the heats, she Just Works

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 8:54 AM

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are the boon tiers different at different heats for speed runs

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 8:54 AM

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Defensively strong, offensively strong

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Not the most broken in any aspect by herself, but no fuss and no BS.

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And some top tier utility boons for normal running

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Like rare crop if it procs anywhere before your last two or three styx rooms

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Heh. Seeing a pile of red at the end is so satisfying.

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 8:55 AM

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Demeter is like dio but with built in slow and higher damage increase

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 8:55 AM

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Mmmm

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Dio is more situational

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He favors multishot immensely

quaint gazelle Feb 25, 2020, 8:55 AM

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i used to not like demeters boons actually

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but ive grown to appreciate the

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m

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 8:55 AM

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His DPS spikes the faster you can keep Hangover maxed

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 8:56 AM

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sure, but demeter is just more consistent

quaint gazelle Feb 25, 2020, 8:56 AM

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hangover can be good situationally

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its a cool effect

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 8:56 AM

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require less specific boons to take off

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 8:56 AM

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Stacking 1 at a time is inefficient and poor damage. Max stacking in a shot is incredible.

quaint gazelle Feb 25, 2020, 8:56 AM

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also demeters cast is really damn cool

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 8:56 AM

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And he also magikarps a bit, needs Poms and other support to go nuts

quaint gazelle Feb 25, 2020, 8:56 AM

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just got my fastest run!

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19 minutes

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 8:57 AM

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Out of box best: Aphrodite, Demeter, Athena.

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 8:57 AM

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Ugh but I hate blizzard shot

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 8:57 AM

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Their boons just function

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It's great

rancid shore Feb 25, 2020, 8:57 AM

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I wish blizzard shot were a bit faster

quaint gazelle Feb 25, 2020, 8:57 AM

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imo the best out of the box are zeus and poseidon

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 8:57 AM

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Maybe I haven't played around with it enough but I had one run where it ruined me, and one where it was okay but was stacked with modifiers

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 8:57 AM

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Best supporting god: Artemis. Support fire on fast flurries, pressure points with ungodly pom stacks...

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Cast stuff as well

quaint gazelle Feb 25, 2020, 8:58 AM

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aphrodite is meh on some boons, godlike on others (cast especially)

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 8:58 AM

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Zeus and Poseidon need lots of support...

quaint gazelle Feb 25, 2020, 8:58 AM

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same with athena

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 8:58 AM

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@quaint gazelle I think that's also what I would recommend to newer players

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Its just strong

quaint gazelle Feb 25, 2020, 8:58 AM

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true

rancid shore Feb 25, 2020, 8:58 AM

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aphrodite has the highest damage increase

quaint gazelle Feb 25, 2020, 8:58 AM

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isnt it demeter?

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 8:58 AM

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can suffer at higher heats with the right supporting boons

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 8:58 AM

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Aphro's strongest boons outside of duo and legendary are her T1 ones frankly

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 8:58 AM

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but its strong

rancid shore Feb 25, 2020, 8:58 AM

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no, it's aph

quaint gazelle Feb 25, 2020, 8:58 AM

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she gives like 120% damage increase from epic

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 8:58 AM

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The thing is, she has the best raw damage, so she will always guarantee some degree of viability

quaint gazelle Feb 25, 2020, 8:59 AM

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maybe it is aph i dont take her boons too much

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 8:59 AM

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aphro is highest damage increase for attack and special

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 8:59 AM

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Her supporting boons on Weak are not amazing.

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Except weak duration

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That's insane

quaint gazelle Feb 25, 2020, 8:59 AM

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weak is meh

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 8:59 AM

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weak is not meh

quaint gazelle Feb 25, 2020, 8:59 AM

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isnt it

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?

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 8:59 AM

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30% damage reduction!?

quaint gazelle Feb 25, 2020, 8:59 AM

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huh maybe im just a dummy

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 8:59 AM

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But her pairs, legendary - mostly amazing except Curse of Longing

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 8:59 AM

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possibly more

quaint gazelle Feb 25, 2020, 8:59 AM

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i know but i like boons that dont rely on me taking damage you feel me

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 8:59 AM

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you do need an easy way of applying it

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 9:00 AM

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Weak matters when you're fighting enemies that do like, double damage at +40% speed.

quaint gazelle Feb 25, 2020, 9:00 AM

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oh right like super high heat

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 9:00 AM

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weak is necessary at high heats where you can't rely on your dodge skills

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 9:00 AM

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It actually gets more useful the higher your heat is

quaint gazelle Feb 25, 2020, 9:00 AM

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im only up to about 7 heat

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 9:00 AM

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Yeah, people really feel the sting at 32

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 9:00 AM

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but yeah, for lower heats, you can kinda go glass cannon

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 9:00 AM

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Unless they're demigods who never get hit and have the reflexes of pros

quaint gazelle Feb 25, 2020, 9:00 AM

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which is mainly taken up by middle management, extreme measures and higher charon prices

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 9:01 AM

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But that's, what, 0.1% of players probably

quaint gazelle Feb 25, 2020, 9:01 AM

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and hard labor

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i get hit a lot

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 9:01 AM

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I've had 1 moment where I went super saiyan

rancid shore Feb 25, 2020, 9:01 AM

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even if you have good reflexes, some forced overtime stuff is insane to dodge

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 9:01 AM

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Middle management can screw you already - the fricking Megagorgon fight

quaint gazelle Feb 25, 2020, 9:01 AM

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the run i just had with the spear i got like 4 damage increase boons it was insane

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 9:01 AM

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and took a high heat hades down from 75% of his second form to nothing without taking a shot

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 9:01 AM

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Yeah I can imagine, FO2 is just busted

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Chaos is... chaos.

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 9:02 AM

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but most of the time there are just too many sources of damage to not get hit

quaint gazelle Feb 25, 2020, 9:02 AM

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what are your guy's keepsake order?

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 9:02 AM

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If you use them for a build... well, purely down to the fates

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I always go god god purse spear

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I'm not good enough to use the acorn over the spear

rancid shore Feb 25, 2020, 9:02 AM

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purse/god/god/spear

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 9:02 AM

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At lower heats I went feather, purse spear, tooth

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 9:02 AM

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Or the stuff like butterfly

quaint gazelle Feb 25, 2020, 9:03 AM

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I go purse, god, collar, tooth

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 9:03 AM

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Collar? Odd pick for Elysium

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I personally think spear has saved my ass more postnerf than the tooth ever did

rancid shore Feb 25, 2020, 9:03 AM

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elysium has respawning traps, it's pretty aight

quaint gazelle Feb 25, 2020, 9:03 AM

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yeah i just take a lot of damage sometimes in elysium

rancid shore Feb 25, 2020, 9:03 AM

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oh wrong idea

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 9:03 AM

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Fair

earnest ravine Feb 25, 2020, 9:03 AM

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Butterly the whole way through unless I'm playing really poorly, at which point I switch to Acorn at Styx.

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 9:03 AM

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I like to go Egg, purse, spear, spear now

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but if i dont get any chaos

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 9:03 AM

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Lmao, people good enough to run butterfly

rancid shore Feb 25, 2020, 9:03 AM

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what heat do you run, silvaria

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 9:03 AM

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i sometimes reset lo

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 9:03 AM

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Not me past tartarus

quaint gazelle Feb 25, 2020, 9:03 AM

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i should definitely use spear more

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 9:04 AM

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Egg is good start

earnest ravine Feb 25, 2020, 9:04 AM

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Uhhh, I'm trying to clear 32 now, but my casual runs are around 14 or so?

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 9:04 AM

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I have nice runs with the egg

earnest ravine Feb 25, 2020, 9:04 AM

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Depends on if I run Tight Deadline or not.

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 9:04 AM

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An egg with 2-3 chaos runs is a great start

earnest ravine Feb 25, 2020, 9:04 AM

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i like. jury summons maxed. it's fun

quaint gazelle Feb 25, 2020, 9:04 AM

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why is this game so addicting for, like, everyone who plays it, to the point where we get up to 32 heat

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 9:04 AM

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i sometimes go egg, egg if the well shop has a chaos for sale

quaint gazelle Feb 25, 2020, 9:04 AM

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i havent been going purse recently cause of max convenience fee

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 9:05 AM

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i value chaos very highly

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yeah if you're at the heat where things cost more, avoid gold for the most part

quaint gazelle Feb 25, 2020, 9:05 AM

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one of the few heat conditions that doesnt necessarily make the game harder is convenience fee

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it just makes it more inconvenient

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 9:05 AM

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I hope they make the darkness limiting heat give more than 1 freaking heat

rancid shore Feb 25, 2020, 9:05 AM

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inconvenient
convenience fee

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 9:06 AM

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what on earth are they thinking there...

quaint gazelle Feb 25, 2020, 9:06 AM

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i havent even touched the darkness limiting heat

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cause screw that

earnest ravine Feb 25, 2020, 9:06 AM

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Saaame, for the amount that losing darkness bonuses do compared to every other Heat option affects the game.

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 9:06 AM

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hmmm, items heal me for 25% less, or 3/4 of my kit is gone

quaint gazelle Feb 25, 2020, 9:06 AM

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HMMM

earnest ravine Feb 25, 2020, 9:06 AM

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Like, no darkness runs? Fun! Does it alter every part of the play? oh heck yeah

quaint gazelle Feb 25, 2020, 9:07 AM

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im scared to do hell mode cause i remember that my darkness is reset

earnest ravine Feb 25, 2020, 9:07 AM

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And what's the limit for maxed no darkness? 500?

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 9:07 AM

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for 3 heat total?

earnest ravine Feb 25, 2020, 9:07 AM

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Yeah, it's wild.

quaint gazelle Feb 25, 2020, 9:07 AM

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3 heat for that? that is ridiculous

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 9:07 AM

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I'd rather face 100% faster monsters

quaint gazelle Feb 25, 2020, 9:07 AM

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that would be so jarring to play

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 9:07 AM

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well maybe not

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lol

earnest ravine Feb 25, 2020, 9:07 AM

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the footage of 100% faster enemies is hilarious

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 9:08 AM

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My least favorite is the time restrictions

earnest ravine Feb 25, 2020, 9:08 AM

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But you probably couldn't pay me enough to try

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 9:08 AM

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It just stresses me out

quaint gazelle Feb 25, 2020, 9:08 AM

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just got my relationship to max with meg shadesmile

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that bar scene is really cute

earnest ravine Feb 25, 2020, 9:08 AM

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The limit of 9 minutes isn't so bad! And it eliminates the survival rooms, so if you dash everywhere it feels pretty normal.

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And that's good!

quaint gazelle Feb 25, 2020, 9:08 AM

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time limiting isnt so bad

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 9:08 AM

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Yeah the 9 minutes isnt terrible

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But at high heats

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some builds are viable but slow

rancid shore Feb 25, 2020, 9:09 AM

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I kinda wish the time would stack instead of being per biome

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 9:09 AM

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but then I get to theseus and hades and just fizzle out

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I was thinking the same thing

earnest ravine Feb 25, 2020, 9:09 AM

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I only go over that time limit if I'm zoning out towards the end of an area, or if my boons are all like. common

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 9:09 AM

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the other night

rancid shore Feb 25, 2020, 9:09 AM

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I can clear Tartarus in 7 minutes, but can Elysium take over 10 for me

quaint gazelle Feb 25, 2020, 9:09 AM

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oh btw is there any point to strengthening your relationship with characters that dont give you a companion?

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 9:09 AM

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The darkness thing would make far more sense at a higher cap to start

earnest ravine Feb 25, 2020, 9:09 AM

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Story!

quaint gazelle Feb 25, 2020, 9:09 AM

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yeah i suppose

earnest ravine Feb 25, 2020, 9:09 AM

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Story is the reason, Fitzy!

quaint gazelle Feb 25, 2020, 9:10 AM

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i just give em to everybody

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 9:10 AM

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Darkness should either give like 4 heat, or be way less restrictive than it is now

quaint gazelle Feb 25, 2020, 9:10 AM

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since ive got full relationship with all the companion characters except sisyphus

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 9:10 AM

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Supergiant games are story games

quaint gazelle Feb 25, 2020, 9:10 AM

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yeah

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i love the story in this one

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makes it stand out from other roguelikes

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 9:10 AM

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I hope they change end game npc interactions though

quaint gazelle Feb 25, 2020, 9:10 AM

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true

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i hope they add more

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which they definitely will

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 9:11 AM

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its kind of a downer as it is now

earnest ravine Feb 25, 2020, 9:11 AM

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The next patch is, from the sounds of it, mostly narrative focused plus the new weapon?

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So we'll see!

quaint gazelle Feb 25, 2020, 9:11 AM

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that would be great

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 9:11 AM

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I want to know whats behind those damn doors!

quaint gazelle Feb 25, 2020, 9:11 AM

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hades' room

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im assuming

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 9:11 AM

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Maybe its saved for a testing room

quaint gazelle Feb 25, 2020, 9:11 AM

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i think they mention it being hades' room

earnest ravine Feb 25, 2020, 9:11 AM

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I just wanna relieve my childhood self's dreams and help achilies and patroclus be happy again

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 9:11 AM

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so we can try out all of this theoretical stuff

earnest ravine Feb 25, 2020, 9:11 AM

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that's all i want right now

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 9:12 AM

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aww

quaint gazelle Feb 25, 2020, 9:12 AM

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still trying to get orpheus and eurydice back together

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and yeah same with patroclus and achilles

earnest ravine Feb 25, 2020, 9:12 AM

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(don't let a 10 year old read the illiad, people, it does things)

quaint gazelle Feb 25, 2020, 9:12 AM

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i just want to see patroclus being, you know, happy for once

earnest ravine Feb 25, 2020, 9:12 AM

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But, uh, lemme check the roadmap again to make sure I'm not pulling this from nowhere.

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 9:12 AM

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You should donate to dontlet10yearoldsreadtheilliad.com

earnest ravine Feb 25, 2020, 9:13 AM

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A definitely real website, yep.

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 9:13 AM

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yep definitely

rancid shore Feb 25, 2020, 9:13 AM

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let them read oedipus rex instead

earnest ravine Feb 25, 2020, 9:13 AM

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Yeah okay, so it looks like they're going to be trying to wrap up some narative threads, have the darkness rework, and the new weapon incoming.

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 9:14 AM

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I've heard they have questionable methods in preventing the 10 year olds from reading it though

earnest ravine Feb 25, 2020, 9:14 AM

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Wack

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 9:14 AM

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Not Fresh

night path Feb 25, 2020, 9:15 AM

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Darkness rework?

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Im intrigued

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 9:15 AM

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Maybe the scaling?

earnest ravine Feb 25, 2020, 9:15 AM

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It's kinda like, useless at end game right now, I think is the main issue. After a while it all just goes to rerolls.

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 9:15 AM

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yeah

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 9:15 AM

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Oedipus Shrex

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 9:15 AM

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and everything except the room rerolls are pretty cheap relatively

night path Feb 25, 2020, 9:16 AM

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Yeah that makes sense

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 9:16 AM

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Inb4 prices nerfed to be more expensive, moved out of fated

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5Head

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 9:16 AM

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But everything is useless eventually

night path Feb 25, 2020, 9:16 AM

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I feel like the rerolls are there just as a darkness dump

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 9:16 AM

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You know what I kind of wish would happen?

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 9:16 AM

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In fact, only darkness and gems are relevant to me anymore

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 9:17 AM

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Meta currency taken (mostly) out of room rewards and moved to being passively acquired via gameplay

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 9:17 AM

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I think they should make unlockable boons and permanent boon upgrades

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 9:17 AM

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The thing is, rerolling is useless when you have a Darkness/Gem fork.

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What shall I get today? More goddamn gems?

night path Feb 25, 2020, 9:18 AM

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Yeah im like "ugh lets get this over with" when that fork appears

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 9:18 AM

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Huh. Meta scaling boons would be kinda funny

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 9:18 AM

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Yeah reroll is nice, but compared to the other upgrades you can get, it's certainly last priority for its price

night path Feb 25, 2020, 9:18 AM

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Then the next room is like "ok more darkness/gems!"

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 9:18 AM

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Meet the guy who used all 30 of them on dionysus special

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How much DoT do you do?
Yes.

night path Feb 25, 2020, 9:18 AM

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Thats a lot of darkness ablobsweating

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 9:19 AM

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I thought 10 was the max from the mirror

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Does anyone like doing heats 21 - 31?

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 9:21 AM

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No, I was joking about meta upgrades

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Like, if you had a set number of fixed upgrades to specific boons

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But if they forgot to limit how many

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So people would just meme stack one boon with good scaling and take it to the stratosphere

sweet vector Feb 25, 2020, 9:22 AM

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sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 9:22 AM

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Yeah, okay, pressure points with 30% crit, fair and balanced

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Room count is usually fixed but Chaos and Erebus apparently CAN add a room if they are specifically before the shop

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One room before the boss shop

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Aka Unalterable rooms

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Since the door always exits to those

sweet vector Feb 25, 2020, 9:23 AM

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dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 9:24 AM

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Oh i gotcha

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I'd rather they change the effects slightly

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 9:24 AM

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It's possible to get 69, so it's not min 70

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 9:24 AM

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to add more potential builds

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boon modifiers

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possibly adds in a different duo

sweet vector Feb 25, 2020, 9:25 AM

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sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 9:26 AM

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You know what I want?

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Custom Mode like Dead Cells

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Just added to the game

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"Anything you've previously unlocked in past runs, you can choose to enable or disable from spawning"

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 9:27 AM

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I mean, why not?

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IDK how much work it would be to implement, but the more modes the merrier

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 9:28 AM

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it's just switching some boons spawning on and off, tbh

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 9:28 AM

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yeah exactly

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 9:28 AM

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or hammers

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 9:28 AM

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seems very basic

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but it could provide a lot of content

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 9:28 AM

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sure, it's "cheating", but it's single player.

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Oh. Downside: Items you have NOT unlocked cannot spawn in custom

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 9:28 AM

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Did dead cells just implement that?

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 9:29 AM

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a while back, late last year

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 9:29 AM

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Or a mode where you have boon bucks

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XD

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and if you do well in a room, maybe you can earn a few extra

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when gods get mad at you, they charge you more

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Okay I'm playing right now and the 5th chamber is spawning skulls 1 at a time

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 9:37 AM

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GWvertiPeepoChrist

sweet vector Feb 25, 2020, 9:39 AM

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One message removed from a suspended account.

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sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 9:41 AM

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no no

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I guess they're just

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sleepy heads

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:^)

mild crag Feb 25, 2020, 9:50 AM

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Feeling a bit

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Numb

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 9:52 AM

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It was very easy to just special stygian blade each one the moment they spawn...

halcyon cedar Feb 25, 2020, 9:52 AM

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my max was 70 i think, in practice room u go top left there and stay there long enoigh there will show oyu max room per run

turbid needle Feb 25, 2020, 10:29 AM

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My first escape was with the acorn and varatha

dense locust Feb 25, 2020, 10:36 AM

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Wow, a leveled up athena call and epic second wind is an insane amount of survivability if you can raise up your god gauge quickly

turbid needle Feb 25, 2020, 11:59 AM

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I prefer a dionysus call with bad influence

smoky oasis Feb 25, 2020, 1:06 PM

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how to finish the lyre quest?

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I still haven't completed that one

unborn trellis Feb 25, 2020, 1:13 PM

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play more, talk to orpheus more

final warren Feb 25, 2020, 1:37 PM

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Thats... a sound...

blazing mulch Feb 25, 2020, 1:48 PM

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||The in game files says that you need to play the lyre x times to activate next orpheus quest. There is few quests to fisnish the Lyre story.||

halcyon cedar Feb 25, 2020, 1:49 PM

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i was afking and keep playing

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i m not sure what hidden quest haven't pop out for complete it

stiff stone Feb 25, 2020, 2:00 PM

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try playing some songs from the stand as well

primal cape Feb 25, 2020, 3:01 PM

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Just wanted to say I had a crazy strong cast run

Ares cast
Ares cast damage increase
Artemis double cast
Artemis legendary (+3 casts)
Artemis & aris duo boon (cast now tracks enemies)
Artemis 5% crit chance on all damage
Hermes cast speed increase

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 3:11 PM

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What aspect?

proud storm Feb 25, 2020, 3:23 PM

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that sounds perfect with the sword's poseidon aspect

distant basin Feb 25, 2020, 3:24 PM

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Okay, how are most people doing 17 to 30 minute runs? Because that just boggles my mind. Even if you don't take damage for the first five or seven rooms, how?

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 3:24 PM

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30's been my slowest but I've only gone up to 8 heat on one weapon and a lot less on most.

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Are you at higher heat?

distant basin Feb 25, 2020, 3:25 PM

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Three so far.

jagged cairn Feb 25, 2020, 3:25 PM

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I just did my first run ever with the Zeus shield and it was amazing.

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 3:25 PM

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Huh. Bad luck?

jagged cairn Feb 25, 2020, 3:25 PM

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Got Explosive Return, Aphrodite special + legendary, and Winter Harvest.

distant basin Feb 25, 2020, 3:26 PM

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No, I think I am just bad at dodging projectiles and bombs.

jagged cairn Feb 25, 2020, 3:26 PM

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My fastest run so far was 23 minutes

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But that was with Tight Deadline on, so I was just focusing on speed there.

distant basin Feb 25, 2020, 3:27 PM

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I also have this habit of going through enemy attacks in order to reach them faster.

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I see what the problem is now.

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The problem is me.

jagged cairn Feb 25, 2020, 3:30 PM

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It gets easier.

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It took me like 60-70 hours for everything to totally click.

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 3:32 PM

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Get Athena Dash

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and you CAN dash through enemies.

jagged cairn Feb 25, 2020, 3:33 PM

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The last run I did I got Athena dash, and Epic level movement speed, extra dashes, and movement speed after dashing.

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I was just skating around rooms never stopping.

distant basin Feb 25, 2020, 3:33 PM

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It took me somewhere around 45 attempts to clear the game the first time around. Now I have started it again in another save slot, and it has become a little easier. I am on my seventh run, and I have already maxed out all the unlocked skills on the Mirror.

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Ares' Blade Rift dash thing-y is also cool for running through enemies.

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I usually upgrade it to level three before I reach Hades, if I can.

small gorge Feb 25, 2020, 3:35 PM

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my fastest is 17m with aspect of hera , heroic blade rift cast and full artemis boon

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Hades boss was like 6 shot lul

jagged cairn Feb 25, 2020, 3:37 PM

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I haven't yet played with Aspect of Hera. lol

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Going to get it to level 5 then try it

small gorge Feb 25, 2020, 3:38 PM

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no need lul i got that record when it lv 3

chrome geyser Feb 25, 2020, 3:39 PM

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You don't really need to level up hera to play it like chiron if you ask me.

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Usually you can charge all your casts in your shot; then fetch them back when enemy dies

jagged cairn Feb 25, 2020, 3:39 PM

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I have it at level 4 right now. haha

chrome geyser Feb 25, 2020, 3:39 PM

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If your casts are stuck; just arrow hit the enemies

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 3:39 PM

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Why did you restart @distant basin

chrome geyser Feb 25, 2020, 3:40 PM

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Hera is the last aspect i leveled lol

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wait no that was Hades

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but Hera was the second one

small gorge Feb 25, 2020, 3:40 PM

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the hera or cast bow tastic is also base on what you get through the run

chrome geyser Feb 25, 2020, 3:40 PM

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second to last one

jagged cairn Feb 25, 2020, 3:40 PM

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After this, I have Hades, Achilles, and Nemesis to max too.

small gorge Feb 25, 2020, 3:40 PM

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i got nemesis max first

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then chiron

chrome geyser Feb 25, 2020, 3:41 PM

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Achilles is nice for cast builds cause it works on cast. Nemesis is really good with aphrodite.

small gorge Feb 25, 2020, 3:41 PM

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the chaos

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nemesis good at everything

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because its powerful even without any boon

distant basin Feb 25, 2020, 3:41 PM

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Oh, no particular reason. I just wanted to see if I could clear Tartarus at least with the sword on my first run. I had a lot of problems with the weapons before I unlocked the spear and shield.

small gorge Feb 25, 2020, 3:42 PM

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i love dual Athe and Ares when i play nemesis

distant basin Feb 25, 2020, 3:42 PM

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@sacred idol

jagged cairn Feb 25, 2020, 3:42 PM

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How possible is beating this game on the first run?

small gorge Feb 25, 2020, 3:43 PM

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he said tartarus

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first map

jagged cairn Feb 25, 2020, 3:43 PM

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oh wait lol

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That's much more doable.

distant basin Feb 25, 2020, 3:43 PM

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Well, I did manage to beat the Hydra, but died in the second Elysium room.

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I was just collecting centaur hearts and boons for this one.

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 3:44 PM

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First run is extremely difficult, by the way

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Well, I don't believe anyone has finished it on their very first try.

jagged cairn Feb 25, 2020, 3:45 PM

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I think that makes it a really good roguelike game.

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 3:45 PM

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At most, someone started a fresh save and cleared it after beating it a few times.

jagged cairn Feb 25, 2020, 3:45 PM

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Oh yeah, that's more what I mean.

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Meaning the game is really more about learning to play than about the upgrades.

distant basin Feb 25, 2020, 3:45 PM

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True, true.

small gorge Feb 25, 2020, 3:46 PM

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1 thing i need Super update

jagged cairn Feb 25, 2020, 3:46 PM

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I beat Dead Cells a "first run" after around 70 hours.

small gorge Feb 25, 2020, 3:46 PM

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zagreus aspect

jagged cairn Feb 25, 2020, 3:46 PM

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So interested in how this would work too

distant basin Feb 25, 2020, 3:46 PM

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I don't think I took any damage before the miniboss room on my fresh run.

small gorge Feb 25, 2020, 3:47 PM

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except zag's spear aspect others such

distant basin Feb 25, 2020, 3:47 PM

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I wonder what the next weapon is going to be.

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I have already collected 30 keys in anticipation.

small gorge Feb 25, 2020, 3:48 PM

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hmmmm no idea

turbid needle Feb 25, 2020, 3:48 PM

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I've tried and failed three nemesis runs in a row. No idea why it gets such a good rep

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The damage output is underwhelming

small gorge Feb 25, 2020, 3:49 PM

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try dual athe and ares

turbid needle Feb 25, 2020, 3:49 PM

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Merciful end?

small gorge Feb 25, 2020, 3:49 PM

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yub

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the point is

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deflect special

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 3:50 PM

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@jagged cairn Was it worth plugging away at it for that long, you think?

small gorge Feb 25, 2020, 3:50 PM

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and Athe aid

distant basin Feb 25, 2020, 3:50 PM

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Heh. I always forget to use my Aids.

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 3:50 PM

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wait, that's #off-topic-discussion, gonna move there for that subject

small gorge Feb 25, 2020, 3:51 PM

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yooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo really @distant basin

turbid needle Feb 25, 2020, 3:51 PM

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Shield is already great at mass spreading special and Artemis aid is better with Poseidon

distant basin Feb 25, 2020, 3:52 PM

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Yeah.

small gorge Feb 25, 2020, 3:52 PM

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have you ever got heroic zeus aid lv 4

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omg

distant basin Feb 25, 2020, 3:52 PM

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I don't take the aid boons if I can help it, to be honest, because of this.

small gorge Feb 25, 2020, 3:52 PM

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so satisfied

distant basin Feb 25, 2020, 3:53 PM

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My combat style is more run around, hit, run around, hit.

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Repeat as necessary.

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So most of the boons I take are either passive defence or attacks.

turbid needle Feb 25, 2020, 3:54 PM

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Ares is pretty good to get yourself out of a tight spot

distant basin Feb 25, 2020, 3:54 PM

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With a main Aphrodite or Dionysus one for the weapon.

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If I can find them.

turbid needle Feb 25, 2020, 3:54 PM

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Even at common, you get a really long invulnerability window

distant basin Feb 25, 2020, 3:55 PM

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Ares' is big on revenge damage, and I am not too keen on any damage.

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I don't think I even use my cast or special as much, either. Hitting things and running away allows me not to think too much during combat.

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My main weapon is Varatha, so if I get a weapon upgrade, I always pick the rapid jab one which sacrifices the special.

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You know, it's no wonder I am not doing 17 minute runs like most people.

small gorge Feb 25, 2020, 4:04 PM

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my style more like socking damage

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 4:13 PM

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I just realized I'm an unlucky bastard who's never gotten Explosive Return on Zeus aspect.

turbid needle Feb 25, 2020, 4:18 PM

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Don't quit @small gorge

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 4:22 PM

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nice, this run

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double status on athena/zeus in four? boons

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no, five, got the prereq for athena legendary

jagged cairn Feb 25, 2020, 4:31 PM

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I got that my first run ever with Zeus aspect.

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First room too lol

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 4:33 PM

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Heh.

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Oh, I should have taken Demeter

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Zeus Athena Demeter Artemis is a good combo

scarlet urchin Feb 25, 2020, 4:34 PM

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What makes for good and bad combos? I've been playing a lot and I still don't really have a great feel for it.

jagged cairn Feb 25, 2020, 4:34 PM

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Stuff like Gods that get duo boons together that work well for your weapon

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 4:34 PM

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Yup

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and good status procs for Privileged Status

jagged cairn Feb 25, 2020, 4:35 PM

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yeah

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And I always like Artemis for crits

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And then a bit of luck on the hammers and Chaos

scarlet urchin Feb 25, 2020, 4:36 PM

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Oh yea. I definitely have a preference for Artemis for crits. But aside from that I'm still not sure what really combines well with what.
Not to the point of how people talk about it here with such certainty.

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Most I go is. "Hey this works nicely together."

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 4:37 PM

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Huh, this is funny. You can throw the zeus aspect to a fixed point and lure the hydra's face into it.

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Big meme.

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If it works nicely together and you're winning, you're doing it right

prime knoll Feb 25, 2020, 4:38 PM

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@scarlet urchin Fwiw, I really enjoy that stage of play- all those "aha!" moments as you get a feel for how the gods mesh.

sacred folio Feb 25, 2020, 4:39 PM

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@scarlet urchin Generally speaking there're fast hits and slow hits. Pick God's boons that fit the attack speed

scarlet urchin Feb 25, 2020, 4:39 PM

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I remember the very first thing I discovered was waaay in the beginning when I just unlocked Coronacht and got Athena's boon for special.
And I was like.
"Hey this works great."

sacred folio Feb 25, 2020, 4:40 PM

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Also, there are less defensive boons than offensive boons. You might wanna keep a balance of offensive / defensive that fits your play style

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 4:40 PM

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Generally speaking, would you prefer an in-depth guide or to figure out things yourself?

scarlet urchin Feb 25, 2020, 4:40 PM

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Yea.. That's the thing I'm still not sure what my playstyle is.
So far I've just focused on trying to get all boons once.

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 4:41 PM

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There are some deeply hidden mechanics to be aware of. For instance: Zeus' lightning bolts have an internal cooldown of 0.3 seconds - any faster and attacks will not proc another bolt.

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This means it's not good for the Chiron aspect, which strikes with every special arrow so fast you only get one or two bolts.

prime knoll Feb 25, 2020, 4:41 PM

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You might enjoy a focused run for each god, then. Start with whatever it gives you, then use that God's keepsake in Asphodel

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 4:42 PM

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Knockback on Poseidon isn't very good on attacks with low base knockback, like the bow special or the shield throw.

scarlet urchin Feb 25, 2020, 4:42 PM

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mn... Well I'd like to understand better what I'm doing so I can actually understand the more complex stuff.
Because I find the conversations here really fascinating but I don't always get what is being said.

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 4:42 PM

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But Dionysus does NOT have a cooldown, nor does Demeter.

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They stack per hit, no matter what - so the Spread Fire hammer on the Rail will stack them, and so will Chiron.

scarlet urchin Feb 25, 2020, 4:42 PM

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Oh yea. I've tried to do a run for each god that way to complete the fated list.
And I keep just... not getting the right boons for Athena. I'm over 60 runs in now in total.

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 4:42 PM

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Otherwise, well...

jagged cairn Feb 25, 2020, 4:43 PM

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Took me around 160 runs to complete the fated list (everything but Lyre)

prime knoll Feb 25, 2020, 4:43 PM

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Which weapons do you like so far?

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 4:43 PM

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It is basically right to say 'fast vs slow attacks' but with a caveat.

scarlet urchin Feb 25, 2020, 4:43 PM

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Last run I did I had Flurry Slash and Piercing wave on Stygian..
And Athena boons on basically everything because I was attempting again to get shield of light.

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 4:43 PM

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It's better to say, there are three types of attacks: Fast single hit, slow single hit, and multi-hit (shotgun type).

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Chaos Shield, Spread Fire, and Chiron Bow are all the last type. Flurry hammers create the first type on weapons that are normally slow, and Rail is fast by default on its attack.

scarlet urchin Feb 25, 2020, 4:44 PM

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Well at first I really liked Coronacht, but now I seem to do best with the Adamant rail or Stygian.

I've also used the Eternal spear with Achilles aspect a lot for a while.

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 4:46 PM

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As an example of fun synergies: The Aspect of Zeus attacks... once every 0.3 seconds.

scarlet urchin Feb 25, 2020, 4:48 PM

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Also I want to understand everything better because I'd love to be able to give feedback...
But I'd actually need to know what I'm talking about for that... ^^:

sacred folio Feb 25, 2020, 4:48 PM

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The wiki could explain lots stuff and is occasionally out-of-date: https://hades.gamepedia.com/Hades_Wiki

prime knoll Feb 25, 2020, 4:49 PM

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My advice for choosing boons:
Would this boon apply its effect optimally on [skill slot]?

Would the effect this generates come into play with how I use this weapon? Or am I open to changing my style during this run to utilize it?

If neither of the above are satisfied, or if my survivability is in question, is there an option that would help me stay safe?

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 4:49 PM

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Zeus cooldown is 0.3 seconds. Zeus aspect attack is 0.3 seconds. Therefore, Zeus aspect and Zeus special is really good.

sacred folio Feb 25, 2020, 4:49 PM

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~~Also the main page could really use a redesign~~

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 4:49 PM

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Adamant Rail also fires slightly slower than the cooldown.

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So, it's also a prime source of lightning based murder.

scarlet urchin Feb 25, 2020, 4:50 PM

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Yea I've checked out the wikia a lot for trying to complete the fated list and get all boons for some gods.
But I haven't exactly read it all.

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Small question.
With Zeus Aspect you mean zeus's aspect on the standard attack? And with special you mean zeus's aspect on any special?

prime knoll Feb 25, 2020, 4:51 PM

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I like to stay vigilant for new combinations, so those questions I listed are basically how I hone my builds.

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 4:52 PM

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Zeus Aspect on the special

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The spinning disk hits once per 0.3 seconds, exactly in line with Zeus' lightning

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so the Zeus special boon is most effective on it.

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Adamant Rail's base attack is the other fast attack that hits just often enough to proc Zeus lightning, so Zeus attack is great for it.

jagged cairn Feb 25, 2020, 4:53 PM

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I like Aphrodite on the Zeus Shield just for her damage boost

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and inflicts a status effect without needing a 2nd boon

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 4:54 PM

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Works too, because 30 base damage is ~90+ DPS, and Aphrodite spiking that into the sky is just strong

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you can get over 100% damage on Aphrodite, so... no one can really say that doing more than 60 damage every third of a second is bad.

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Crits are nice, because it hits fast - but Chiron special works even better because it's easy to stay on target.

scarlet urchin Feb 25, 2020, 4:55 PM

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ohh.. Zeus's aspect for the shield of chaos combined with a boon for the special?
Now I get what you mean.

jagged cairn Feb 25, 2020, 4:55 PM

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And explosive return damage is affected too

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Does explosive return add lightning damage with Zeus boon?

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 4:56 PM

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Not been lucky enough to have that.

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I wish I knew.

jagged cairn Feb 25, 2020, 4:57 PM

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My current run is Zeus aspect, Explosive Return, Aphrodite special

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The shield is hitting for over 60 damage, at over 120 when I catch it

prime knoll Feb 25, 2020, 4:57 PM

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I've had it but don't recall for sure. I think it does cause lightning.

granite lava Feb 25, 2020, 4:57 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/667757095000604674/681907170094219264/unknown.png
Hey guys, this is a mod I'm working on

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The goal is to display your stats

prime knoll Feb 25, 2020, 4:58 PM

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Nice

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 4:58 PM

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pog

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man I'm lucky this run

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last duo (lightning rods, actually pretty good!?)

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athena legendary

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super safe and basically no damage taken even on EM Theseus

shell solar Feb 25, 2020, 4:59 PM

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You're gonna get dragged for liking lighting rod

jagged cairn Feb 25, 2020, 4:59 PM

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Do I go for Eurydice or a trial of the gods? D:

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 4:59 PM

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yeah I thought it was crap before

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then I got some real zeus damage

prime knoll Feb 25, 2020, 4:59 PM

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Lightning rod is dependent upon the cast I have, but i like using it.

shell solar Feb 25, 2020, 4:59 PM

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It's not useless, I'll say that

prime knoll Feb 25, 2020, 5:00 PM

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It's a great way around blocking foes- kite them through it.

sacred folio Feb 25, 2020, 5:00 PM

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If I may ask: the red text isn't quite easy to read on a mostly dark background. Maybe switch to a lighter color?

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 5:00 PM

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eurydice is usually better unless you are criminally low on boons.

jagged cairn Feb 25, 2020, 5:00 PM

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That's what I did.

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I tried upgrading my boons rarity and it did the worst ones.

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 5:00 PM

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Well, what I did was throw them all at Theseus while he was shielded.

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Then he got hit a crapload and melted.

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Whoops.

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Also, you can reset Eury

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go for poms or rarity

scarlet urchin Feb 25, 2020, 5:01 PM

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How do you mean reset?

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 5:01 PM

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Early access best access.

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She does not change the menu to Give Up

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rather, you can quit, and restart from before you chose

jagged cairn Feb 25, 2020, 5:02 PM

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oh nice

scarlet urchin Feb 25, 2020, 5:02 PM

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So you can redo the room with Eurydice...? But why?

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 5:02 PM

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If you got screwed...

scarlet urchin Feb 25, 2020, 5:03 PM

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The boons that get upgraded change? They are not set...?

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well that's good to know.

jagged cairn Feb 25, 2020, 5:03 PM

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No, I tried again, and it gave the same ones.

unkempt pagoda Feb 25, 2020, 5:03 PM

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hit a pillar

prime knoll Feb 25, 2020, 5:03 PM

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You could also choose a different option from her

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 5:03 PM

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No, then you do another - or yeah, beat up some furniture

jagged cairn Feb 25, 2020, 5:03 PM

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I chose a different option, yeah.

unkempt pagoda Feb 25, 2020, 5:03 PM

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it manipulates the rng giving you different boons

scarlet urchin Feb 25, 2020, 5:04 PM

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ok wait. So if you get screwed you can reset the room and choose a different option.

unkempt pagoda Feb 25, 2020, 5:04 PM

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do that a couple of times and the rarity upgrade will get you the ones you want

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nah, you can do it with the same option, done it before

jagged cairn Feb 25, 2020, 5:04 PM

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Ah. Already past it.

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 5:04 PM

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For now, unless they patch it

scarlet urchin Feb 25, 2020, 5:04 PM

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Wait.. hitting pillars changes rng? So..... you can get different results from the same option?

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Am I understanding that right?

unkempt pagoda Feb 25, 2020, 5:05 PM

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i mean, hidden bits of rng manipulation are already present in the game, so maybe they won't patch it out

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 5:05 PM

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yup, 🧀

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no, I mean patching out the eurydice reset entirely

unkempt pagoda Feb 25, 2020, 5:05 PM

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ahh

prime knoll Feb 25, 2020, 5:05 PM

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Since urns have a chance to spawn gold, and pillars drop generated debris, you are moving the location of the random value in the RNG.

unkempt pagoda Feb 25, 2020, 5:06 PM

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@scarlet urchin yeah, speedrunners do it to change boon results when they play

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since they use the same seed, they know what they're gonna get, so they manipulate the rng by hitting pillars or changing the other room reward, in order to get what they need

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 5:06 PM

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Wow. Athena's legendary is so good

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I got it mid Elysium and barely took damage on Theseus

prime knoll Feb 25, 2020, 5:07 PM

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Don't tell anyone, but I think it's probably a little too good.

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 5:07 PM

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spearpoint+that may as well be god mode

scarlet urchin Feb 25, 2020, 5:07 PM

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Ok.. How do you know what seed you have? And how would you know which number correlates to which result?

unkempt pagoda Feb 25, 2020, 5:07 PM

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i've also seen haelian accidentally hit a pillar on his way out a room and not getting the same enemy spawns as usual

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 5:07 PM

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that said, I am on no heats besides EM and blue shields.

scarlet urchin Feb 25, 2020, 5:08 PM

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Oh I always go for Athena's Legendary if I can in most cases.

unkempt pagoda Feb 25, 2020, 5:08 PM

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i'm not sure how speedrunners play on the same seed, but i do know that they just practice the same one in order to learn it

prime knoll Feb 25, 2020, 5:08 PM

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I got through high heat with her legendary on a lvl 2 GY spear without ever triggering a DD.

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It felt unfair to the AI

scarlet urchin Feb 25, 2020, 5:09 PM

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How high is high heat?

prime knoll Feb 25, 2020, 5:09 PM

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19

jagged cairn Feb 25, 2020, 5:09 PM

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I'm playing on 9 at the moment.

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But I haven't been skipping any heat levels and playing each weapon fairly evenly.

scarlet urchin Feb 25, 2020, 5:10 PM

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Well damn I've barely passed 5 with most weapons... I think for the Adamant rail I'm on 11?

prime knoll Feb 25, 2020, 5:10 PM

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I haven't gotten it on my 32 heat attempts yet. I am expecting it to reduce the difficulty signifcantly.

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Yeah, to be fair about my experience, I jumped from 7 to 19 and now am trying 32. Athena legendary was a huge part of what allowed that. (I think)

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@scarlet urchin the rail is so much fun and plays so variably with its aspects.

scarlet urchin Feb 25, 2020, 5:13 PM

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Is there any kind of logic to how Fated Authority changes what you can get?
I know how Darkness, Gems, Chthonic keys and Nectar can all roll into one another.
But often I want to get Nectar if I can. (As it's basically a random pom of power and especially at the beginning or if you've got Dionysus Premium Vintage even better.)

prime knoll Feb 25, 2020, 5:14 PM

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Nectar is in that pool but with a lower chance than the others

scarlet urchin Feb 25, 2020, 5:14 PM

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Yea.. I've already noticed that the base chance of getting Nectar is a lot lower than all the others.

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 5:14 PM

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One spot can roll 3 times

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Not sure if it has three TOTAL options or three rerolls worth of alternates

scarlet urchin Feb 25, 2020, 5:15 PM

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ok so I noticed that correctly... I once rerolled one spot a lot and it just started repeating itself.

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I had a lot of rooms who gave me keys at the beginning.. sure felt like a waste of fated authority but I had them stockpiled too much so I thought I might as well try.

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 5:16 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/198553698450800640/681912325447614482/unknown.png 🧀

jagged cairn Feb 25, 2020, 5:16 PM

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I wish we could use Fated Authority on Infernal Troves.

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 5:16 PM

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Yeah, that's what I mean by 3 rolls @scarlet urchin

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How many Fated did you use before it looped?

scarlet urchin Feb 25, 2020, 5:16 PM

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I'm not sure anymore. I think three or four?

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 5:16 PM

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If it rolls over on the third use, then there are 3 options per room, if on the fourth use there are 4 options and thus 3 rerolls

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this run was not fast, but it was safe and pretty easy

scarlet urchin Feb 25, 2020, 5:17 PM

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I have to go eat dinner. Thanks for answering all my questions guys.

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And yea... Agreed I'd be nice if there was a way to change Infernal Troves rewards...
especially if you get health when you're completely full already and you bought a trove tracker. Health in an infernal trove can be a life saver if you messed up a bit...
But it really does feel like a shame when you get it very often when you don't need it.

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 5:19 PM

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Urgh, I have to take the NORMAL shield to finish a fate prophecy?

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Frickin' charged throw

hollow sorrel Feb 25, 2020, 5:31 PM

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Seed manipulation might mean restarting the game (possibly 50 to 100 times or more if RNG is being mean) until the first room gives the exact boon you want, with an optional chaos room on the first or second room. If your starting room was a hammer upgrade, you then replay the seed until the hammer boon, chaos boon, and your keepsake boon all roll to what you want. Then you keep playing that seed hoping to get the other combo pieces. Depending on how hardcore you are, you might keep repeating this whole process until you get all the combo pieces. Also, if you are expecting a certain combination of gods to randomly appear in your run (beyond the gods you get to choose with keepsakes), then you might need to further reroll seeds. Then after potentially hours and hours of perfecting the seed, you can complete your speedrun, and lots of people will think that weapon aspect must be super awesome because it did so well, being completely unaware of how much game manipulation went into that speedrun.

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 5:32 PM

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heh more like seedrunning amirite

hollow sorrel Feb 25, 2020, 5:33 PM

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For example, when people say “wow, Poseidon sword must be super awesome because of the world record,” when in fact, the Poseidon sword, in the average playthorugh, is far less exciting than the speedruns make it look

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 5:34 PM

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sounds like hunting blades :^)

chrome geyser Feb 25, 2020, 5:37 PM

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Well the seeds are static so you can't restart and get a different first room boon. Or am i missing something?

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Also; this is why i don't like all these "HEY GUYS THIS IS THE WORLD RECORD SPEED RUN! COMMENT AND SUBSCRIBE". I much rather watch interesting interactions and good gameplay without constraining to speed runs.

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For example; going to shops saves you time; but unless you are running low on time on tight deadline; going to rooms is often better so you can save cash for the mega store at styx.

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 5:39 PM

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"tier lists" :^)

jagged cairn Feb 25, 2020, 5:39 PM

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Woo, just beat 9 heat with Shield

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 5:39 PM

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that are all based on optimally massaged RNG :^)

jagged cairn Feb 25, 2020, 5:40 PM

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Was a close one. Ended with 20 HP and no DD left

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 5:40 PM

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I'm trying to get the damn charged throw hammer on the shield...

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base shield

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0 heat rank 0 zagreus throwaway run

chrome geyser Feb 25, 2020, 5:41 PM

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it took me a while to get as well.

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The fate's lists can be annoying.

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Exp. when the good aspects block the upgrades.

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 5:41 PM

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yup!

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that one

jagged cairn Feb 25, 2020, 5:42 PM

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I finally finished all the Boons yesterday with around 108 hours.

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 5:42 PM

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naturally I don't get the hammer at all this run.

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bollocks

hollow sorrel Feb 25, 2020, 5:42 PM

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If the first boon room isn’t what you want, then you die and start a whole new game. It helps if you go to the mirror, and remove all the death defiances, then remove all extra hp, then go to the pact of punishment and set enemy damage and speed to max, and trap damage to max. This let’s you actually reroll seeds as quickly as possible (sometimes the second room is a faster death than the first room, since the second room usually has traps)

jagged cairn Feb 25, 2020, 5:42 PM

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Aphrodite legendary was elusive.

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 5:43 PM

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heh, I always get that one

jagged cairn Feb 25, 2020, 5:43 PM

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You could also use Guan Yu Spear if applicable

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To make dying even faster

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 5:43 PM

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heh

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not useful when I need a shield hammer

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ironically this meme run is one of my fastest, 14min and up to miniboss asterius

hollow sorrel Feb 25, 2020, 5:46 PM

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Yes; that too. If the first room has laser crystals, then I die there. Otherwise, I usually go to the second room, and 1 or 2 hits from a trap will finish me off

jagged cairn Feb 25, 2020, 5:47 PM

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So how exactly do you reroll to get a different starting boon outside dying? Or does it not apply there?

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People said hitting pillars, but that doesn't seem to affect what I am offered with the starting boon.

scarlet urchin Feb 25, 2020, 5:48 PM

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Thanks for explaining how seed manipulation works.

sacred folio Feb 25, 2020, 5:49 PM

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Well you can't hit pillars before the starting boon is determined.

jagged cairn Feb 25, 2020, 5:49 PM

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So the boon is determined on drop, not on pickup?

hollow sorrel Feb 25, 2020, 5:49 PM

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Hitting pillars won’t reroll to a different seed. But if you take stuff out of the mirror. You default to 50hp and zero death defiances.

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The first boon is always the same, for the same seed

sacred folio Feb 25, 2020, 5:49 PM

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Besides, hitting pillars sounds like it could happen unintentionally and it won't be a reliable method of RNG manipulation

scarlet urchin Feb 25, 2020, 5:50 PM

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Honestly I rather just see someone making the best out of the worst luck possible. That seems far more interesting.

hollow sorrel Feb 25, 2020, 5:50 PM

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And a first room chaos gate will always be static too. And a second room chaos gate will the majority of the time be static too

scarlet urchin Feb 25, 2020, 5:51 PM

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Like... taking the cosmic egg and never getting any chaos gates or any light of ixion... Until you switch to a different keepsake and suddenly they're everywhere.
I've had that happen for sure.

jagged cairn Feb 25, 2020, 5:51 PM

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Trying to figure out how that's useful. Doesn't dying change the seed?

hollow sorrel Feb 25, 2020, 5:51 PM

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And if a speedrunner doesn’t provide a continuous gameplay video, then there’s the possibility they might have repeatedly saved the game at various points, and restored the game if it didn’t work they way they wanted it too

sacred folio Feb 25, 2020, 5:52 PM

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Yes. Dying definitely changes the seed.

jagged cairn Feb 25, 2020, 5:52 PM

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Oh wait, so you just can't affect the initial boon, but you can use it to change up others?

hollow sorrel Feb 25, 2020, 5:52 PM

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You can reroll seeds to guarantee your first boon, and an early chaos gate

sacred folio Feb 25, 2020, 5:53 PM

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I believe so.

hollow sorrel Feb 25, 2020, 5:53 PM

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Though you might need to reroll the chaos gate a few times if it doesn’t give the boon you want

scarlet urchin Feb 25, 2020, 5:53 PM

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Welp time to try get Divine protection again. See you guys in half an hour or so.

jagged cairn Feb 25, 2020, 5:53 PM

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Okay, I get it. haha

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I was thinking you meant like

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 5:53 PM

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Whew. I got two rare fish and Wave Pounding for the fates.

jagged cairn Feb 25, 2020, 5:53 PM

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You could change up what the first boon offers, but still guarantee it's a specific one.

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 5:54 PM

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That's all though, missed Dio legendary by one boon again and no bloody charged throw so I can never use zagreus shield again

hollow sorrel Feb 25, 2020, 5:54 PM

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A popular place for people the questionably save and restore the game is the last biome. If they don’t get the sack on the second tunnel, then they can restore the game to the beginning of the biome and try again

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Without a continuous gameplay video, you can never know how much save/restore action happened in a game

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 5:55 PM

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You mean by copying the save back from the files, Coffee?

hollow sorrel Feb 25, 2020, 5:55 PM

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Yes

jagged cairn Feb 25, 2020, 5:55 PM

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Yeah, I'm not looking to spend the time it would take to do a run on manipulating RNG. haha

hollow sorrel Feb 25, 2020, 5:55 PM

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This is why it’s always more impressive when a speedrunner provides a continuous video of the entire playthrough

jagged cairn Feb 25, 2020, 5:55 PM

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But little tricks like that Eurydice reroll are nice

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 5:56 PM

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maximum savescum lmao

hollow sorrel Feb 25, 2020, 5:57 PM

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Or maybe the game was going really well, but they lost too much hp to the third boss, so they’ll restore the game to right before the boss fight, until they do the boss fight well enough

jagged cairn Feb 25, 2020, 5:59 PM

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It does look like you can manipulate a few things based on what keepsake you start with though

sacred folio Feb 25, 2020, 6:00 PM

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@jagged cairn I just double checked the game's scripts and I was wrong about the timing of determining boons.

The list of available boons is calculated on pickup, not when the room reward is generated (which happens before entering the room)

jagged cairn Feb 25, 2020, 6:01 PM

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Like my first boon appears to be Rare Special, Normal Cast, Epic Dash, and I can Give Up and change Keepsakes to get a specific one from a specific God

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So that's something interesting

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 6:02 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/198553698450800640/681923936065159211/unknown.png Monkey's paw run/10

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zagreus aspect

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no charged throw

hollow sorrel Feb 25, 2020, 6:05 PM

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Yes. And you can use that to determine which weapon aspect you want to use. For example, if one of your starting boon choices is an epic special, then maybe switch to the dio keepsake and play a chaos shield game. Or if one of the starting boon choices is an Epic cast, then switch to the Artemis keepsake, and start a Poseidon or Hera game

jagged cairn Feb 25, 2020, 6:12 PM

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The start of an interesting run here

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/510591566164000788/681926842034552833/Hades_00025.png

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 6:16 PM

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LOL

jagged cairn Feb 25, 2020, 6:18 PM

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And with Athena dash and pressure points too haha

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And I got another Maimed Flourish lol

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 6:27 PM

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double Pauper's here

jagged cairn Feb 25, 2020, 6:47 PM

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And unsurprisingly, that was an easy run. lol https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/510591566164000788/681935341971701805/Hades_00027.png

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 7:02 PM

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I died on Hades :/

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forced to take crappy boons in an unsuccessful attempt to finish the fates

jagged cairn Feb 25, 2020, 7:03 PM

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Swapped and trying Hera Bow for the first time now

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Oh god, already got Ares legendary. lol

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 7:08 PM

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@jagged cairn Memed Flourish more like

jagged cairn Feb 25, 2020, 7:09 PM

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haha

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I am in Asphodel with Hera bow and I only have 3 Ares boons. lol

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Well, and Chaos, Hermes, Hammer

naive tusk Feb 25, 2020, 7:10 PM

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Doom boons? :3

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 7:11 PM

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Blade rift, apparently

naive tusk Feb 25, 2020, 7:12 PM

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Yaaay

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Welcome to the Blade Rift fam squirtnya

jagged cairn Feb 25, 2020, 7:12 PM

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Slicing Shot, Engulfing Vortex, and Vicious Cycle. haha

naive tusk Feb 25, 2020, 7:15 PM

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Your name reminds me of this greek Warrior named Gorgo 😮

jagged cairn Feb 25, 2020, 7:17 PM

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It's based on Dragon Quest 7 last boss haha

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 7:18 PM

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I am trying to get the damn Charged Throw hammer and not getting anywhere...

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Screw it. Cursed fate options

naive tusk Feb 25, 2020, 7:25 PM

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😅

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Keep at it~

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 7:32 PM

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I'm so annoyed that I have to use aspects I hate to get those last hammers.

silver seal Feb 25, 2020, 7:39 PM

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what happens if i get delta chamber with hestia aspect on the gun? thanthink

sacred folio Feb 25, 2020, 7:40 PM

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Maybe just mod the game so you can just get the hammer upgrade guaranteed?

turbid needle Feb 25, 2020, 7:43 PM

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Empowered Hestia shot overrides every Hammer for one round.

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 7:46 PM

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Is it that easy to mod...?

sacred folio Feb 25, 2020, 7:48 PM

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Pretty easy I'd say.

jagged cairn Feb 25, 2020, 8:17 PM

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Speaking of empowered Hestia shot

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Does it not apply with Spread Fire?

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For 5 empowered shots? haha

earnest compass Feb 25, 2020, 8:46 PM

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your hestia shot is unchanged, its still a 1 empowered shot, then it shoots 5 like normal

prime knoll Feb 25, 2020, 8:54 PM

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I feel like it should work with spread fire (in some manner) or just not be available for Hestia.

sacred idol Feb 25, 2020, 8:54 PM

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Possible solution

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Spread fire, but divide the damage up

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Get the hitbox but not 150x5

prime knoll Feb 25, 2020, 8:55 PM

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Hestia ignoring hammers kind of feels like it should just be its own hammer again. I know that isn't a popular opinion...

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yeah, 50x5 (or even a strict 30x5) would still be good

keen ocean Feb 25, 2020, 11:34 PM

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Welp, I'm never getting this kinda luck again: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/566343504016572417/682007392132923392/Hades_00003.png

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Also, good gods was I sleeping on Festive Fog.

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Cast-bomb-bomb-bomb-repeat, melted Hades without me even needing to dash.

finite violet Feb 25, 2020, 11:40 PM

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i managed to get a good run with poseidon's knockback dash. i ended up getting rupture + +250% dmg slamming into walls + knockback x2 + hermes dash x2 PLUS enemies getting burst damage from knocking into walls and i ended up being a pinball of death

keen ocean Feb 25, 2020, 11:51 PM

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Poseidon's dash might be my favorite of the bunch XD

finite violet Feb 25, 2020, 11:53 PM

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its so much fun to pinball enemies with it

oblique tusk Feb 26, 2020, 1:26 AM

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poseidon's skills just look so nice tbh

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the waves are beautifully animated

keen ocean Feb 26, 2020, 1:59 AM

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I really love the little flutter of hearts that follow every Aphrodite attack.

jaunty pewter Feb 26, 2020, 2:28 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/239190634693525505/682051201189150731/Hades_00000.png just had a real fun chiron run :)

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not shown here: poseidon special, a couple of chaos boons that improved my special damage

karmic coyote Feb 26, 2020, 2:30 AM

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would wreck boss if it was aphrodite special

digital axle Feb 26, 2020, 2:55 AM

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wow

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I actually managed to get support fire in a useful setup

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huh

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Eris rail, with explosive ammo

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everything hit spawns another arrow

dense locust Feb 26, 2020, 2:57 AM

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The damage is still eh, but I guess it's just extra damage, no strings attached

digital axle Feb 26, 2020, 2:57 AM

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no i mean, my screen is filling with arrows

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they are everywhere

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they might not scale

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but everywhere

dense locust Feb 26, 2020, 2:58 AM

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Yeah I've had it before, and it's nice because it doesn't use any of your main slots

waxen furnace Feb 26, 2020, 2:58 AM

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it's quite a bit of extra damage, though

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for a non-slot-taking boon, it's fantastic on a rail build

dense locust Feb 26, 2020, 2:58 AM

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Yeah, i think the fact it's not a slot-boon, it's alright. I'd still like to see a small damage boost to it

digital axle Feb 26, 2020, 2:59 AM

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Id like it if they added some scaling to it

dense locust Feb 26, 2020, 2:59 AM

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But does it work on anything else other than rail?

digital axle Feb 26, 2020, 2:59 AM

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but its pretty strong with a rail

dense locust Feb 26, 2020, 2:59 AM

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does zeus aspect shield trigger it?

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per tic

waxen furnace Feb 26, 2020, 2:59 AM

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buffing it would make it insane on rail

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and ok on all else

digital axle Feb 26, 2020, 3:00 AM

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buff it to hell and take it off rail?

dense locust Feb 26, 2020, 3:00 AM

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You buff it but put a cd on arrow spawns

waxen furnace Feb 26, 2020, 3:00 AM

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I believe that things like this trigger per attack tap. so on non-rail-things it triggers only once

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well that makes it a lot less fun, though

dense locust Feb 26, 2020, 3:00 AM

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haha true

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I do like how this game allows for absolutely broken builds if things line up

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because they don't happen too often, and they can be really unique and unexpected

digital axle Feb 26, 2020, 3:01 AM

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its similar to another game I play called Noita

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but Noita takes that to an extreme

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I really am enjoying the level of combination skills

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you can tell its got some balance in it

dense locust Feb 26, 2020, 3:04 AM

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Ive played noita a little bit

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It's fun but I don't fully grasp the mechanics yet, and unless I look everything up I find, I usually just kill myself

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but I still enjoy it

naive tusk Feb 26, 2020, 3:07 AM

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Dong ❤️

dense locust Feb 26, 2020, 3:07 AM

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I'm doing a hell heat 9 run right now with aspect of chaos shield, and got epic demeter attack, epic ares special, and epic ares dash, and it's not broken but very very affective. Dashing wallop hammer so far. I just constantly dash through enemies and then keep applying doom to everything with my shields

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Peach ❤️

mild crag Feb 26, 2020, 3:07 AM

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cute

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ares special on chaos so good btw

dense locust Feb 26, 2020, 3:08 AM

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Blizzard banned this name on battle.net 😦

naive tusk Feb 26, 2020, 3:08 AM

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No way

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I have a friend called Døng on bnet lol

dense locust Feb 26, 2020, 3:09 AM

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And dash attack on shield is awesome because its so fast, Throw chill and dashing wallop on it along with ares dash, and things can't hit you

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unless they have armor

waxen furnace Feb 26, 2020, 3:09 AM

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ares dash?

dense locust Feb 26, 2020, 3:09 AM

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Yeah im just Player on bnet nowq

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along with a lot of other Players

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I kinda like the kinship

naive tusk Feb 26, 2020, 3:09 AM

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Lol

dense locust Feb 26, 2020, 3:09 AM

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I tried to appeal the ban by arguing that Dong is a very common name in some countries

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didn't work :/

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racists

naive tusk Feb 26, 2020, 3:10 AM

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Blizzard is being stinky nowadays

dense locust Feb 26, 2020, 3:10 AM

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If my name was StrongSmith

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No way id get a ban

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Ares dash are the little blades you leave behind

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the blade rifts

waxen furnace Feb 26, 2020, 3:10 AM

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well, yeah. Smith isn't slang for something in a major language :p

dense locust Feb 26, 2020, 3:11 AM

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that you know

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I smithed your mom last nifhr

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night

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sounds dirty

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i donged your mom last night just sounds dumb

waxen furnace Feb 26, 2020, 3:12 AM

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just "dong" would at least be more defensible

dense locust Feb 26, 2020, 3:12 AM

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Maybe if it was WeakDong

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Maybe the employee that banned it felt small

waxen furnace Feb 26, 2020, 3:12 AM

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or "DongIsJustALastNameBackOffPlease"

dense locust Feb 26, 2020, 3:12 AM

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Although I had the name for well over a year before it was banned. I think I made a player salty and they reported me

naive tusk Feb 26, 2020, 3:12 AM

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I’m laughing so hard right now

dense locust Feb 26, 2020, 3:13 AM

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Right? Probably too long for character limit though

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Maybe Ill try appealing the ban again

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Just keep doing it until i get an employee that also has a Strong Dong, or has dong in their name

naive tusk Feb 26, 2020, 3:14 AM

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“Your curriculum says you have a strong dong. We wish to confirm it”

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The interview of the year

waxen furnace Feb 26, 2020, 3:19 AM

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agh. in two rooms back to back I got Ice Wine and Scintillating Feast

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and swift cast two rooms before that

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guess this chiron bow build is now a cast build

digital axle Feb 26, 2020, 3:23 AM

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I almost had a good run

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but then I got shafted by bad rooms with no event

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so I didnt get my revive reset.

waxen furnace Feb 26, 2020, 3:24 AM

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:<

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ice wine doesn't inflict any status curses, correct?

naive tusk Feb 26, 2020, 3:31 AM

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It inflicts Chill

waxen furnace Feb 26, 2020, 3:32 AM

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hm. I'd expect ice wine + scintillating feast to trigger PS all on its own, then

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wonder why it isn't. or maybe the thunder is missing the enemies I'm paying attention to

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took a bit of a gamble with zeus attack + dem special on chiron bow. was hoping to get cold fusion. got 3 duos this run, but no cold fusion. the greed

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dual shot, though. ahhhhh

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and fully loaded. christ, this run

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https://ibb.co/wLhZphC

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this started out as a special based build, once upon a time...

crystal geyser Feb 26, 2020, 3:49 AM

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i'm still waiting for this to happen again while i live https://i.imgur.com/Mae4dyC.jpg

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waxen furnace Feb 26, 2020, 3:50 AM

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oh dear god

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all you need is swift cast

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and maybe hera bow

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for that to be perfect

digital axle Feb 26, 2020, 3:52 AM

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special is broken on eris with triple bomb

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/335094056784756736/682072602881032236/unknown.png

waxen furnace Feb 26, 2020, 4:04 AM

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how does "your attack is X% faster" work with guan yu spin attack?

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quicker charge up? faster moving or ticking projectile?

turbid needle Feb 26, 2020, 4:08 AM

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You begin charging faster after pressing the button.

waxen furnace Feb 26, 2020, 4:08 AM

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Ah, interesting. That + quick spin must mean mighty fast spins

tawny ivy Feb 26, 2020, 4:08 AM

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the initial stab animation is faster, but that's it

waxen furnace Feb 26, 2020, 4:09 AM

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it's been that, flurry cast, and dash to restore health. the latter might just be more worth it on a guan yu build, is the current inclination

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although I never really mind having flurry cast. makes a lot of otherwise ok casts a lot more usable

turbid needle Feb 26, 2020, 4:10 AM

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I only wish it wasn't almost impossible to not double Cast.

tawny ivy Feb 26, 2020, 4:11 AM

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☝️

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i need to get faster at playing cast builds, myself

waxen furnace Feb 26, 2020, 4:12 AM

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yeah. If I time my dash right, I think I can get a single cast off reasonably regularly. still inconsistent, though

digital axle Feb 26, 2020, 4:15 AM

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hmm

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/335094056784756736/682078215799701509/unknown.png

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I won just spamming one thing

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get them phat crits

hollow sorrel Feb 26, 2020, 4:24 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qbqY2RIRbQ More Hestia

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32 Heat Hestia no rockets, Hell Mode, Hades the game

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digital axle Feb 26, 2020, 5:04 AM

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the 4th stage spear is REALLY difficult to do well with for me

naive tusk Feb 26, 2020, 5:11 AM

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You mean Guan Yu?

digital axle Feb 26, 2020, 5:11 AM

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ya

jaunty pewter Feb 26, 2020, 5:13 AM

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i haven’t beaten hades with it but i brought it to the surface for the prophecy

naive tusk Feb 26, 2020, 5:22 AM

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It gets less harder to survive with the levels and, with practice with the spins, you will get better 👍🏼

dense locust Feb 26, 2020, 5:28 AM

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Guan yu also gets much much better if its maxed

dense locust Feb 26, 2020, 5:56 AM

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Wow world smasher with sudden rush is broken

jaunty pewter Feb 26, 2020, 6:04 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/239190634693525505/682105596673392649/Hades_00001.png EXTREMELY fun ridiculous burst damage hera run

dense locust Feb 26, 2020, 6:14 AM

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I love cast runs

waxen imp Feb 26, 2020, 6:15 AM

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http://puu.sh/FeAgZ/5a3e5e6b10.jpg

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i was getting 600 crits on each arrow

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on my special

dense locust Feb 26, 2020, 6:20 AM

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Im guessing hades fell in like 4 volleys?

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I fee like charged volley is only good if you're going all in on special

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Was it chiron?

waxen imp Feb 26, 2020, 6:21 AM

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yeah

sweet vector Feb 26, 2020, 6:21 AM

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waxen imp Feb 26, 2020, 6:24 AM

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idk

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which one is that

sweet vector Feb 26, 2020, 6:25 AM

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waxen imp Feb 26, 2020, 6:26 AM

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probably

dense locust Feb 26, 2020, 6:29 AM

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Is vengeful mood the worst duo boon?

frosty pier Feb 26, 2020, 6:31 AM

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With how annoying is to get that one... I'd say Yes.

rancid shore Feb 26, 2020, 6:31 AM

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idk curse of longing is pretty bad

dense locust Feb 26, 2020, 6:34 AM

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They are both way down on the list

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Maybe both of them together with revenge ares and revenge aphro is good

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I suppose if you happen to get all of the revenge boons and just kited in and out it could work

frosty pier Feb 26, 2020, 6:38 AM

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Perhaps, but you will need 2 gods to appear naturally or struggle till the Elysium for that

dense locust Feb 26, 2020, 6:38 AM

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But they would probably end up attacking the target you didn't want

frosty pier Feb 26, 2020, 6:39 AM

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Wrong targets are not that bad.

dense locust Feb 26, 2020, 6:39 AM

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I was mostly joking, they are far underpowered compared to other duos

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But a passive 300+ damage with status effects isn't bad

frosty pier Feb 26, 2020, 6:40 AM

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by the way do revenges proc all at once?

sacred folio Feb 26, 2020, 6:40 AM

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The revenge boons don't attack single targets. They are all AOE bursts.

dense locust Feb 26, 2020, 6:40 AM

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Oh good to know

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It's starting to sound better and better

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But it does require a lot of boons for something that is just okay

sacred folio Feb 26, 2020, 6:41 AM

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I think there's a recent YouTube video w/ all 4 revenge boons & Vengeful Mood showcasing how it works

dense locust Feb 26, 2020, 6:41 AM

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If it added to their damage, it'd be worth taking

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I'd imagine the rng to get that is quite high, unless you're actively trying to get that combo

sacred folio Feb 26, 2020, 6:42 AM

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Found it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BDBXx5Bbz8

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All of the Revenge Boons VS Hades! /Hades - Long Winter Update/

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frosty pier Feb 26, 2020, 6:43 AM

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Huh, I familiar name.

dense locust Feb 26, 2020, 6:44 AM

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It's kinda weird that each revenge had different aoe

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it makes sense but it feels weird

frosty pier Feb 26, 2020, 6:45 AM

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There was a bug with revenge-boons. They were triggering on blocked attacks.

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SHame we didn't have Hades at the time.

dense locust Feb 26, 2020, 6:46 AM

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Does it activate every 3.5 seconds or it refreshes every 3.5 seconds and then activates when an enemy is close enough?

sweet vector Feb 26, 2020, 7:10 AM

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keen ocean Feb 26, 2020, 7:21 AM

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I actually managed to stack up all the revenge boons and Vengeful Mood the first time I beat the game. Combined with a rather weak flurry sword poison build, it actually did pretty well.

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It also helps that I was using the Spearpoint pre-nerf.

night path Feb 26, 2020, 7:23 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/314971063387947009/682125447831486491/20200226012229_1.jpg

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I had poseidon cast

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this build was overkill

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i didnt even get rupture

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it just obliterated rooms in styx

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|| hades ||I could kite without having to attack them

oblique tusk Feb 26, 2020, 7:31 AM

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"35% of 108 is quite a bit more than 40"

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uh

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math does not check out

night path Feb 26, 2020, 7:34 AM

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yeah it's less actually; 37.8

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did they mean 65%?

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in that case sure

dense locust Feb 26, 2020, 7:57 AM

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One of my earlier wins was a cast build with aspect of poseidon sword, flurry cast, fully loaded, and exit wounds

dense locust Feb 26, 2020, 8:13 AM

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Anyone know how swift flourish affects chaos aspect shield?

earnest ravine Feb 26, 2020, 8:13 AM

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I think it increases projectile speed on the shields.

dense locust Feb 26, 2020, 8:15 AM

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Its hard to intuit it because for things like attack, it reduces the "cast" time of the attack

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So I was thinking it could reduce the time it takes to unleash the special. I've never been able to tell a big difference in the speed of the zeus aspect shield when I get swift flourish

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but maybe I need to pay more attention

earnest ravine Feb 26, 2020, 8:16 AM

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Oh! For the zeus one it massively decreases recall time on anything above common.

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And it also gets a cute little rocket trail on it

dense locust Feb 26, 2020, 8:19 AM

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well crap, i wish the'd add little animations to all of the upgraded attack/special/cast animations

night path Feb 26, 2020, 8:46 AM

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it does actually affect the animation for shield

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it has like a lightning-y golden effect on it when you throw the shield and as it comes back

dense locust Feb 26, 2020, 9:15 AM

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I wonder why demeter chill doesn't show up as a debuff like hangover does

dim rapids Feb 26, 2020, 9:18 AM

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greed is good

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/676103302907297813/682154281243115520/unknown.png

opal bay Feb 26, 2020, 9:21 AM

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Damn, that's a lot of hearts too

dim rapids Feb 26, 2020, 9:23 AM

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literally was just buying everything lol

dense locust Feb 26, 2020, 9:26 AM

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Should be a total gold found number at the end

sacred idol Feb 26, 2020, 9:30 AM

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@dense locust I believe it makes them blue.

night path Feb 26, 2020, 9:50 AM

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they mean like on the bar for bosses

sacred idol Feb 26, 2020, 9:55 AM

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Oh right

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Feedback it?

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Should have blue frosty icons to track stacks indeed

dense locust Feb 26, 2020, 9:58 AM

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Yeah like how hangover shows the number of stacks as little icons above their head. Yeah I thought they'd put little demeter icons above their head, or even better, one icon with the number of stacks next to it

sacred idol Feb 26, 2020, 10:00 AM

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Did you suggest it

dim rapids Feb 26, 2020, 10:00 AM

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it's pretty easy to find out if they're chilled

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they just glow blue

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and have a slow effect

rancid shore Feb 26, 2020, 10:01 AM

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but there's a specific boon that has you count 10 stacks

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you can't tell how many you've applied

earnest ravine Feb 26, 2020, 10:01 AM

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The visual tell is a little hard to parse at lower levels, though, which does matter for Killing Freeze, and for the explodey one. It's barely visible on one to three stacks.

rancid shore Feb 26, 2020, 10:02 AM

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even then, as a bad eyes kinda person, i legitimately can't tell the difference between the number of stacks unless it's not useful to know anymore

dim rapids Feb 26, 2020, 10:03 AM

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killing freeze can be seen via the killing freeze numbers slowly ticking

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it's blue damage numbers

earnest ravine Feb 26, 2020, 10:03 AM

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Nah, I mena... It's hard to tell which ones I haven't frozen or which ones wore out if they only were tagged by one or two stacks.

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I know how to tell if it's active once it actually activtates, but sometimes things are hectic.

dim rapids Feb 26, 2020, 10:04 AM

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most of the time the mobs are usually grouped up anyway

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also i just realised

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sword's side hitbox is actually quite far

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/676103302907297813/682166741920776213/Hades_00004.png

sacred idol Feb 26, 2020, 10:09 AM

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Thicc

dense locust Feb 26, 2020, 10:27 AM

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Nice image

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is it always on the right side?

dim rapids Feb 26, 2020, 10:28 AM

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pretty sure left side works as well from what i've tested

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the hitbox is like a semicircle

rancid shore Feb 26, 2020, 11:05 AM

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@gentle mason that exists

dim rapids Feb 26, 2020, 11:06 AM

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@gentle mason there's already a counter for that, it's a number below your summon icon

rancid shore Feb 26, 2020, 11:06 AM

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If you look at Genesis' screenshot it's right under the stars at the top of the boon list

gentle mason Feb 26, 2020, 11:06 AM

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Oof, I just must be blind then

sacred idol Feb 26, 2020, 11:07 AM

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Make it more visible, I feel like

gentle mason Feb 26, 2020, 11:07 AM

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Yeah, thanks for the heads up though! I'll need to check for that again

sacred idol Feb 26, 2020, 11:08 AM

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Man, my boons are such a mess