I'm not sure if this has been everyone else's experience, but with Fated Authority; it seems like there are like sub-pools within the room pools
#h1-builds-and-combat
soft harbor
like re-rolling Obols/Poms/Hearts seems to give each other- with a much smaller chance of it changing to a boon or hammer
unkempt pagoda
ye, that happens
waxen furnace
@hard haven I think that's just confirmation bias. I've walked into many stores with 600 gold and only seen darkness/food/health
cursive pivot
agreed, i think boons are on a different level from hermes/hp/gold/poms
unkempt pagoda
also, rooms with boons in them tend to switch between a set of 3-4 gods, rather than randomly picking any of the 8
waxen furnace
oh lord. spread fire + explosive fire is a fun time. artemis attack is shredding, but maybe not as fun as some others
isn't it that whichever gods you pick at the beginning of the run end up reoccurring mostly?
hollow sorrel
and it seems like each room has a small pool it can choose from. Like, if I reroll the same room 10 times, I tend to see a lot of duplicates
soft harbor
yeah, there is apparently a programmed "god pool" every run- not every god is supposed to appear in a single run
unkempt pagoda
e.g. a room has Ares. you reroll and you get Aphro, then Artemis, then back to Ares again
soft harbor
though i have rerolled Styx rooms into stuff i didn't expect to come back
waxen furnace
as much as I enjoy the reactions to every post, they do make reading this chat a bit harder lol
soft harbor
i ended up getting Artemis in 3 separate Styx tunnels because she would keep coming back. was actually pretty sweet
one was initially an obol room too
waxen furnace
ah. one of the few times I decided not to take a patroclus room. this is new to me
soft harbor
i've noticed that if you start getting good at not bleeding to death and aren't using an Attack build, he's actually a useless room
but if your run is going bad, he's a savior
chrome geyser
ugh. I went too greedy on the spear. Note to self; if going ranged; do NOT get the serrated edge hammer without any hermes boons to make up for abysmal speed.
waxen furnace
yeah he's saved so many of my runs, 3 extra DDs can make a huge difference
chrome geyser
And do not get the -movespeed chaos boon and lose 3 DD in the coming floors.
waxen furnace
I'm even using an attack build and still didn't go for it. other room had too good of a boon choice, esp with the poseidon-dio? duo already in which means all boons are epic
soft harbor
I hate Serrated Edge
turbid needle
First time or two I used it I didn't care for it.
soft harbor
if stacking attacks is your core build, it might be useful
but I do not like losing dash distance
chrome geyser
Serrated edge; aphrodite attack boost and artemis dash. It's like, what? x3 x2 x2 damage?
waxen furnace
I lost a great guan yu build to 3 terrible chaos options. I went for "lose 4 health every time you attack" as I figured I'd make that health back with spins. I hadn't realized each spin would require a loss of 8 health due to both the first stab and the resulting charge counting as different attacks =/
serrated edge has carried me before
silver rover
And do not get the -movespeed chaos boon and lose 3 DD in the coming floors.
@chrome geyser most of the time, this is true, especially in elysium, and those kamikaze baby chariots.
in tartarus, aspodel, still managable, depends on build as well.
chrome geyser
I mean, the +96% special damage looked too appetizing.
But not even the companion could help me. Companion damage should go through armor.
Otherwise there is no point in all that damage.
soft harbor
i mostly use it to nuke the Hydra and King Dumbass
silver rover
i mostly use it to nuke the Hydra and King Dumbass
@soft harbor
i always save than for king stfu please ahahahah
chrome geyser
Or maybe i should switch to meg? I been using than to break the armor of the super elites in styx, and to kill narcissus when he calls for a god strike so i don't have to keep zippity zoppity dodging his spear.
soft harbor
I use Meg
chrome geyser
I always forget to use against the hydra.
Then end up losing a DD dodging attacks into the lava.
silver rover
Or maybe i should switch to meg? I been using than to break the armor of the super elites in styx, and to kill narcissus when he calls for a god strike so i don't have to keep zippity zoppity dodging his spear.
@chrome geyser i stick with than because on zero to low heat runs i dun have trouble with other areas
soft harbor
she does so much that I don't really understand why Than makes a difference in this version of the game
i haven't used Bouldy, but he actually seems pretty useful
you get item drops n stuff
chrome geyser
to coincide the damage for meg; you have to be very precise. It says couple times; but almost all enemies get hit by only one.
I like than cause AOE is huge. Usually good enough to encompass the whole boss arena.
Also guaranteed hit on tisiphone in the last room; which if alecto is there does almost always strip a death defiance. Alecto and her hunting blade vicious cycle. Ugh
hollow sorrel
And it can hit a lot of hydra heads on the EX hydra fight
soft harbor
Meg doesn't even work on that fight, but I've never worried too much about the Furies
chrome geyser
I been valuing bouldy much less. The best use for using companions i think is breaking elite styx room enemies' armor; cause that's too much. The healing is nice but bouldy does not do enough damage for them.
And in hades fight; it just creates unpathable stuff that i keep getting damaged by since i get stuck in them.
It's more like insurance in furies fight; i'm only scared of the whirling disk of death.
I need to remember to use the companion in hydra battles. I dunno why I ALWAYS forget.
BTW i really appreciate your username @prime knoll . Hav hav
prime knoll
Jumping back to Serrated Edge for a moment- it's great with a blade rift dash build
chrome geyser
Oh i should try to make that happen.
prime knoll
Thanks 😄
waxen furnace
I've been using my last bouldy charge in styx for exactly that reason. doesn't do too much for me in the hades fight, and I often quite like having that extra burst of gold
chrome geyser
If you use it all, it's like 150 gold. Not too bad but not too good either if you ask me.
prime knoll
@chrome geyser Sadly, I don't speak Turkish, but it's on my list to learn/in the process of learning
chrome geyser
I should diversify my companion use though.
waxen furnace
well it's 60-90 each time. if I'm close to a shop item I use it in styx
300-450 gold per run has been hugely helpful
chrome geyser
Oh 😢 i thought i had another turkish person playing Hades. None of my friends back home play.
Also you are brave to learn it; it is difficult.
60-90? More like 30-60 no?
waxen furnace
I have yet to observe 30
chrome geyser
Or did I take too much ambrosia?
waxen furnace
and someone earlier said they saw that it said 60-90 in the game files
chrome geyser
Hmm, maybe i should go back to bouldy then.
waxen furnace
it's 2-3 coin drops, each giving 30
agh. I finally got artemis legendary... but I'm not on a cast build =/
chrome geyser
Well, good for fates list at least.
prime knoll
Does anyone use the coin purse?
chrome geyser
I do. Every run.
Usually get it in either asphodel or elysium
My runs go like this; I start with the spiked collar and check the first boon/hammer.
prime knoll
Do you play with convenience fee?
manic ermine
Start with coinpurse or egg
waxen furnace
spiked collar? interesting. how high heat do you run, silver?
prime knoll
Once I switched on convenience fee, I just stopped using obols, so I stopped using the purse.
chrome geyser
I'm farming titan blood. I have the overtime (+40% speed) and EX battles unlocked usually. From then on i either increase enemy HP or add shield; depending on weapon.
I'm 10 with the spear; 12 with everything else.
waxen furnace
I've really liked starting with god boons to get something that fits well with the weapon. ex. aphro special on chaos shield runs
chrome geyser
I do usually purge a boon before asphodel if I have good ones; so that i can have a shot at eurydice upgrading those.
And I do purge boons before going into styx; usually i have a main slot boon that i got that does not synergize well; so i try to free them for another synergy
prime knoll
Eurydice is definitely my favorite to visit. Her options are basically always relevant, while the other two I don't find nearly as generally helpful.
waxen furnace
sisyphus is a free gold room, I guess
soft harbor
I start with a god trinket too
i usually do trinkets the first two areas to try to get a god synergy that i want
then coin purse or another god sometimes in Elysium
prime knoll
Yeah, I usually have a plan with the god trinkets, then I just go with acorn, butterfly, or something random
soft harbor
yeah, by the end i just kinda don't care what i'm carrying with me
chrome geyser
So how i start is;
- Get the spiked collar
- Check first boon/hammer; and if it's something that feels like fun to build around; continue
- If they are not good; give up, pick a god trinket and repeat.
- If not spiked collar in tartarus and I don't plan on having aphrodite, spiked collar gets put on on asphodel
- If i have one more god i wanna pick at the end of tartarus; i force them with trinket in asphodel
- If it doesn't matter who my 3rd or 4th god is; i put on coin purse
- If I still have not used coin purse in the first two biomes; i do the coin purse on Elysium; barring needing emergency healing. (Then either medusa or nyx)
- Whatever i think i will need for the final biome.
soft harbor
Distant Memory is usually what i grab if i have a long range thing because it's very straight forward. Collar if I'm scared. my tooth isn't leveled up so I haven't used it
do you keep the 50HP from Spiked Collar if you trade it out?
chrome geyser
If distant memory had a visual indicator; i would get it.
soft harbor
i'd like that a lot too
prime knoll
Yeah DM is good. I never know what the range is on it in the heat of a fight, so I can't tell how much it helps my play style
chrome geyser
Spiked collar's max hp boost and coin purse's coin boost remains when you swap them.
soft harbor
i didn't know you keep collar hp, that's not awful actually
chrome geyser
They are the two trinkets whose value keeps through.
It's great. It's like getting two poms.
mild crag
You lose the max hp whut
chrome geyser
I mean hearts.
prime knoll
I did not know that either. That's pretty solid.
mild crag
You do not keep the max hp bonus
waxen furnace
oh what? did not know that about the collar. I had thought you lost that health... I was sure I did
chrome geyser
Yeah you do.
mild crag
chrome geyser
I can testify.
prime knoll
Time for a test
chrome geyser
Ill test it out; see you guys in a few
silver rover
hmmm do we keep skell'y revive if we swap ?
act1: dog collar
act2: coin purse
act3: skelly tooth
act4: broken spearpoint
earnest ravine
Youu do not.
waxen furnace
also - what benefit is there in giving nectars to gods?
totally fine if there isn't any, just wondering
cursive pivot
you do not keep max hp from collar
soft harbor
at the moment, mostly dialogue and that's it
unkempt pagoda
aside from the keepsakes, just dialogue
cursive pivot
what i do and i think is likely among the best setups is
soft harbor
version 1, probably considerably more
unkempt pagoda
which can be said for a lot of the characters in-game
waxen furnace
okay. I'll keep working towards the summons then
soft harbor
yah, i would say do that first, then start throwing your nectar at gods
cursive pivot
- coin purse, no need for a big thing here
- build-synergistic god forcer
- build-synergistic god forcer
- skelly tooth
soft harbor
Demeter's got some pretty important stuff though, so maybe worth giving her some love
i essentially do that but swap 1 and 3, Vex
mostly cuz I just wanna start a specific build from the get go
waxen furnace
skelly tooth over broken spearpoint?
cursive pivot
both are equal, i prefer tooth
mild crag
i go
cursive pivot
because i dodge modt of hades attacks
and usually just take one big hit every once in a while
mild crag
God Keepsake > Spiked Collar > Skelly Tooth > Acorn
this is my high heat setup anyway
since i usually get crushed in elysium i need tooth there
acorn is more effective hp than tooth
against hades
hollow sorrel
Spiked collar for biome 2?
cursive pivot
forcing a boon in act 1 feels unnecessary to me.. unless or course it's rail zeus
mild crag
yeah @hollow sorrel its very good with lasting consequences
since it's basically a flat 50 hp heal
hollow sorrel
ohhh, I didn't think about the healing part
karmic coyote
my setup is god keepsake > god keepsake > god keepsake > tooth
waxen furnace
rail zeus is that good? haven't tried it
any particular pairings you aim for, there?
turbid needle
I've beaten 32 Heat with it.
Take either Deadly Flourish or a Special that gives a Status Curse on its own (Aphrodite is a good pick), shoot for Splitting Bolt.
waxen furnace
deadly flourish? interesting
that... kinda confuses me, actually. I'd assumed you'd rely on attack for the main way of dealing damage
special -> attack til its up -> special I guess
chrome geyser
Well thats one of my myths busted. You don't keep the HP.
prime knoll
I just tested as well
chrome geyser
Huh. Well that changes my builds.
prime knoll
So other than the residual heal for Lasting Consequences, it seems pretty lackluster.
chrome geyser
It should keep though, imo. You could force chaos boons to lose max hp after getting collar below 50; and then if you remove collar you automatically lose?
in other news, i have a rail run with epic support fire and the rapid fire boon; so im gonna enjoy this run.
waxen furnace
you'd probably just drop to 1 max health in that case
what are y'alls favourite guan yu attack boons?
mild crag
athena
waxen furnace
I know it's not high dps but I've enjoyed athena a lot
mild crag
artemis too
waxen furnace
aphro attack seems solid overall as well. high % and the weak can be nice when at low health
soft harbor
i generally like Aphrodite on anything
damage increase and straight status curse is simple n clean
mild crag
the deflect is highly synergistic with the spin and you can get exposed if you want a status effec
but i agree aphro attack is still the best in the game
chrome geyser
Athena pretty much.
chrome bone
Discovering that aspect of Hestia and the shotgun dont stack was so sad, it would be such a cool combo
chrome geyser
Demeter is nice damage and applies chill multiple times with the spin
chrome geyser
So that makes spiked collar completely inferior to skelly other than the heal; since even if you had the complete DD loadout (very unlikely) that is 50 + 4*25 = 150 health which is the same as skelly. OK spiked collar is not what I like now.
chrome bone
Spiked colar works before DDs, so there is it at least
waxen furnace
for once, a really good tough chaos boon choice. guan yu build, early tartarus. 65% extra gold if I don't special for a while (easy), or 75% attack damage up for 55% move speed down
really want that attack, but given my slow health total, the gold will probably do some serious work for relative safety..
chrome bone
I would go for the dmg, but speed can really suck
chrome geyser
I would take the attack if you are on a spin build.
waxen furnace
I am
soft harbor
you still maintain dash in full right? so the movespeed thing isn't as bad as it sounds
waxen furnace
yeah, and I'm far away enough from the boss
I turned on 20% move/attack speed heat for the first time
aaagh. and it's making me pick between quick and massive spin :<
smoky oasis
damn I wish I started with hell mode
soft harbor
the enemy speed boost is tougher than Extreme Measures by a large margin imo
waxen furnace
uh oh. well! this'll be good practice then
soft harbor
might just be a personal preference, but a lot of things- especially in the last boss- become super hard to react to
smoky oasis
I wanna play on hell mode but too deep into normal already
chrome bone
just add the 5 heat from hell mode and never play without a full heat bar
easy hell mode
smoky oasis
well I never play without full heat bar anyways
I don't understand why people do that
chrome bone
I disliked that it forces you to have budget cut
turbid needle
They removed that a little while back.
chrome bone
oh nice
smoky oasis
yea my big mistake not starting hell mode early
now its like 50 hours grinds back to where i am on normal
chrome bone
I started on hell mode first, but as my darkness was stocking up I just went back to play on normal
nice that they changed it
waxen furnace
sometimes I'm a little bit sad to hit 1500 gold in styx
it's great to get an extra titan's blood. totally worth it.
but I can't help but wonder about the hermes boons that never were
naive tusk
I kinda share the sentiment. I love to go on a shopping spree if I have the cash but I’ve been saving for Titan Blood in all my runs so far 
silver rover
imma happy when i have enough for diamonds or blood 😆 cos imma zero to low heat player so i always appreciate them blood or diamonds i can get from stygx
smoky oasis
later on you will be swimming in Titan bloods and diamonds
so you won't miss them so much
silver rover
ah well i have yet to max out all the weapon upgrades, plus, i think every weapon will be getting a 4th aspect right? so we need that many more titan bloods for future upgrades!
hard haven
Question can you only equip 5 boons at a time? On the menu I just noticed pointers I could turn off and on when I click a boon what does that do?
turbid needle
Those pointers are to highlight five boons at the end of a run.
If you wanted to take a screenshot and share your clear screen, you can highlight the stars of a run.
hollow sorrel
It's in case you want to screenshot it, and show people your favorite boons in that playthrough
^
hard haven
Oh ok I see well guys I finally beat Hades i clobbered him with the shield it was a hell of a run
waxen furnace
would love having an "escape history" tab on the main screen. where you can scroll through your escapes to reminisce/share
deimos have mercyyyyy
hard haven
It only took me 1,000,000 attempts so I'm proud of it 
waxen furnace
once you've started to go full artemis cast build (poseidon aspect sword), what exactly synergizes with this that is worth going after?
Athena makes sense, as it lets you stay protected while you zip around getting your casts back
some other status curse as well
hard haven
I've had good luck putting dioynsus hangover with it cuz while ur zipping around getting ur Casts they're taking 5 times damage more if u get a boon that stacks
chrome geyser
Athena, i try to take aphrodite because her duo with artemis is pretty good; and you can get the damage amp on weak boon too.
I'm playing horribly today 😦
im gonna call it a night. But finally upgraded one 15 and the 16 titan blood aspects on every weapon.
I only need like 35 titan blood to upgrade the rest (i have not touched Hades so far)
which means about 20 runs with wins; and I can start stockpiling for the new weapon that will come out with the next release.
hollow sorrel
Aphrodite and Athena both have duo boons with Artemis cast, that can boost the cast damage. Aphrodite’s duo boon is easier to use, but Athena’s duo boon might be more potential damage
chrome geyser
There is just one caveat; you want to get the duos from probably aphrodite and athena; as you don't want to cannibalize any cast upgrades from artemis.p
Artemis has been very shy today for me. I tried 4 cast builds; and got artemis from the start in each. The only cast upgrade i got was exit wounds. Once.
waxen furnace
yeah that makes sense. just finished elysium and I've only seen artemis once since the first room =/
at least it was exit rooms. but still
*exit wound
chrome geyser
I need more fated authorities. Maybe i should try to hack in a lot of darkness 😢
waxen furnace
rare crop early on means that my main damage dealers are all leveled and are at heroic. but that's still a shame
chrome geyser
I try to keep my deck boons thin in case i can get eurydice or rare crop to upgrade them.
Rare crop is easy get; but now i get eurydice 2 boons upgrade if there is 50% or more chance it's gonna hit the thing i want.
It's so good to get it early; when you have exactly the same amount of boons to cultivate too.
timber temple
People are constantly complaining about Aspect of Zeus for the shield and yes it can be hard to operate but if built right can be quite good.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/676649852905455667/680265021669900318/unknown.png
timber temple
it's great for applying stacks
chrome geyser
I like getting zeus osn both the zeus aspect and the chaos aspect.
timber temple
poison/chill
timber temple
i also want to try to use it with Athena's deflection but no such luck so far
chrome geyser
Yeah; i think my favourite on both aspects is zeus or dionysus on special.
One thing i wanna try some time is; get ares on special on zeus aspect; and get athena on dash. Then get their duo.
Zip zop when enemies are in the disk; and deal like 200 damage per dash.
Does special damage like doom get boosted by burning blood/priviliged?
timber temple
not sure
mild crag
Privileged yes, boiling blood no
Boiling Blood is attack and special, Privileged Status is everything
chrome geyser
Does doom count for privileged when it is triggering? Or do you need a third debuff?
chrome geyser
Oh doom is much better than i gave credit.
mild crag
Doom is one of the strongest things in the game if you have the right support for it
It can just be mediocre in the wrong situations
chrome geyser
How does curse of longing work on doom? Cause usually you do doom; and then it triggers 1.1 sec later.
turbid needle
It fires every 1.1 seconds for 3 seconds.
chrome geyser
What is the time interval with curse of longing?
mild crag
Once your doom triggers, it triggers again dealing 75% less damage
turbid needle
1.1 seconds.
chrome geyser
I mean that's pretty bad, if the dealing damage time is 1.1 seconds.
mild crag
True it is very bad
chrome geyser
if it was something like .5; it would not be horrible.
mild crag
Only good for keeping status up
It would not be horrible if the damage fall off wasn't so bad
chrome geyser
But it just adds then .25 + .25*.25 ~= .3; 30% additional doom damage.
Because if it is 3 seconds; there are at most 2 1.1 seconds in there.
Less with the increase delay boon.
Was this done on purpose cause aphrodite cheated on hephaestus with ares?
turbid needle
Which is why I only take that if I have Weak Inside so I get an easy proc of Privileged Status for at least 8 seconds.
chrome geyser
Wait; weak inside only adds time to weak right?
Does it translate to the continuous doom?
chrome geyser
Oh so you end up dealing .00001 damage per tick.
My issue is privilege can be kept up with another boom; while also having much more impact.
Like some dash or whatever.
turbid needle
Yeah, it's not a great boon.
But you're probably applying Doom more frequently than that anyway.
chrome geyser
Yeah. But if you are applying doom semi-frequently; curse of longing does not really do anything now.
As far as duo boons go that's horrible.
How would we fix it 🤔
silver rover
once you've started to go full artemis cast build (poseidon aspect sword), what exactly synergizes with this that is worth going after?
@waxen furnace
this one maybe?
Heart Rend Your Critical effects deal even more damage to Weak foes.
Bonus Critical Damage vs. Weak: +50%
Duo Tier 3
Aphrodite Duo
waxen furnace
yeah that is solid
mild crag
The doom lasts as long as the weak does, or until it runs out of damage
Since it'll stop if it would deal less than one damage
I believe
@waxen furnace also get Artemis legendary for +3 casts, flurry cast from hermes for rapid fire cast and greater recall ideally
Also the Artemis boon which makes you fire two casts
waxen furnace
yep that part is what I try and target
didn't find enough artemis
or any, really
mild crag
Ah rip
waxen furnace
beyond just the cast
I did get flurry cast and greater recall offered in the same roll. I picked flurry
I already had a 4th cast from chaos at least
heroic lv5 artemis cast is chonky
mild crag
oh yah big chonker
waxen furnace
huuuuge chonker. last boss melted
gonna try out extreme measures 3 for the first time. scared
dim ridge
Man I've missed being in this disco lmfao I've been gone for like 2 weeks working on a paper that Hades inspired the topic of
I need to play it again some time
waxen furnace
does poseidon legendary trigger poseidon-zeus duo twice?
I'd guess not. but wishful thinking
tidal thorn
odd quarry
That reminds me to ask, am I just getting unlucky with Greater Recall? I know it needs one other hermes boon before it’ll spawn, but I haven’t seen it in 60+ runs across 2 saves files.
dim ridge
The more Hermes boons you get, the more likely it seems to be ime
earnest ravine
@uncut plank II have good news for you, there's a button for that. When you're checknig your boons (the Select/options on a PS4 controller, don't know the keybind for that on keyboard), it tells you the chamber in the top right of the screen.
uncut plank
And yet no matter how hard I tried to find this info, I couldn't. I'm 40+ hours in and just now found this out. Yikers haha
Thank you!
earnest ravine
Also I'm bad, I got the options and Share button on PS4 mixed up, somehow. Apologies, it's the Share button, the one on the left!
rancid shore
it's b or tab on keyboard
not sure if they changed the default but it's definitely one of those
jaunty pewter
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/239190634693525505/680327729430003753/Annotation_2020-02-21_001504.png my first chaos aspect run, done on 2 heat and it was a victory! woohoo! this aspect isn't really for me but i like the concept and parts of it were quite fun
blizzard shot owns
earnest ravine
Nice!
jaunty pewter
it like. ate hades' health right up
rancid shore
anyone know if spread fire works with hestia?
silver rover
anyone know is spread fire works with hestia?
@rancid shore
i'm guessing only the middle shot is empowered while the others on the side are normal affected with boons
rancid shore
my dude it's the most recent message; you don't need to quote and ping me
sacred idol
livid kraken
If I switch butterfly keepsake (+dmg per no hit clean) will I still have bonus dmg?
mild crag
For hestia + spread fire the empowered shot is just as normal @rancid shore
You just fire one single shot
Then shots that aren't empowered are spread
rancid shore
I see. That's super lame
rancid shore
I can imagine why; still a little sad though
waxen horizon
can you still give gifts to medusa? because maybe i just have to restart me game
smoky oasis
yes u can
waxen horizon
k time to restart the game XD
kind fulcrum
Does Demeter's Nourished Soul (health effects are more potent) work with the upgrade that heals you for every strike?
rancid shore
nourished soul only goes up to 37.5%, which means it shouldn't since life"steal" effects are flat +1 or +2
unless i'm misremembering? someone correct me if i am
night path
it should affect them
(partially because the number is colored, implying a change of sorts)
hollow sorrel
I think the weapon life steal effects are supposed to be stuck. Even if I bump the healing to -100%, it still heals for the full amount
dim rapids
one of the more interesting runs i had when i was leveling up remaining keepsakes/farming darkness recently
dash strike mania
- exposed + 3 extra dashes
somber fox
does rare crop (demeter's rarity increase boon) stop working when the boon it was cultivating gets purged? I was wondering since it didn't say anything ever since i got it early on in asphodel and purged the boon it was cultivating
stuck fern
Hi need someone to clarify for me, is every heat suppose to give you 1 extra bounty? I skipped from 1 heat to 10 heat and only got 1 titan blood out of it
somber fox
as far as i see a new heat number gives one set of rewards and that's it
dim rapids
if you purge off rare crop, it stays at whatever rarity it currently is at
if you purge the boon it is cultivating, i'm pretty sure your other boons still cultivate
you need to do every heat individually for it to count
stuck fern
then i think its bugged, because now my titan blood from heat 1-9 is ticked
dim rapids
you can straight away jump to heat 20 for self-challenge
stuck fern
but i only got 1 blood from heat 10 since i skipped it
dim rapids
let's say you cleared heat 1
your next bounty is heat 2
but you jumped to heat 10 for self challenge
stuck fern
yeah
dim rapids
you're only getting your heat 2 bounties
stuck fern
yep
somber fox
🤔
somber fox
feelsbadman
but yeah im in styx, didnt seem like it was cultivating anything
im pretty sure it was supposed to state in the pop up ui if anything happened
as far as i see nothing changed
dim rapids
probably f10
or ask someone else
i jumped some specific heat bounties but it worked fine for me
stuck fern
yeah i should
chrome geyser
I have to agree with Genesis; I did jump heat before and it worked fine.
stuck fern
not sure how i procced the bug
chrome geyser
Press F10 in game; and fill the report?
stuck fern
yep will do
anyway is there anyway to reset runs if you don't get the first boon u want?
chrome geyser
The runs are seeded
unless you die; you get the same first boon and the same pool of boons
you can try again; but you pretty much get the same boons.
chrome geyser
what I do is i start a game without a god relic; and see what boons are offered. Let's say the first room is poseidon that has an epic flood shot. I probably wanna go to a cast build; so i give up, switch to poseidon aspect sword, and equip artemis keepsake. Then the first offer is overwritten as artemis; and I know I'm getting the epic cast from artemis.
stuck fern
ah ok
chrome geyser
I don't know if this is intended behaviour; or is considered save scumming. But I like it when I can build a run like that.
stuck fern
i feel like tey should automatically grant u the reward from lower heats if u skip heats tho
like if u skip from 1 - 10
chrome geyser
And if it is daedalus first; i may give up and try different methods to see if there is a weapon for which I really like a transformative upgrade.
stuck fern
u should get the stuff from 1-9
axiomatically if u can beat 10 there isn't a reason u can't beat 1-9
chrome geyser
Some PoP are pretty easy to work around; so that would actually be really easy to farm all the titan blood.
The game also wants you to keep playing it; so i don't mind the trickle system.
stuck fern
need to minimise the repetitiveness :/
hollow sorrel
I suggested the same thing, and a bunch of people complained that painfully slow unlocking is a core requirement of roguelites, and people will literally get bored with the game if they don’t have important things to unlock 🤷🏻♂️
stuck fern
idk i'd like to think that faster unlocking and pushing as high as you can asap should be the focus :/
if at all i would like to be all geared up and be pushing the highest heat i possibly can then farm it through
than*
chrome geyser
@hollow sorrel it is true to a degree. But if they were all available from the get go on higher heat; i would try to farm them on what I think the best aspects are and then have the post-game ennui. This way; i get to play around with the aspects and builds and it is increasing playability. I dunno; this works for me.
dim rapids
as a guy who has just recently finished grinding every heat on every weapon, i think it's there for replayability. if you really wanted a challenge, you could always set the heat higher on your own accord. i do agree that unlocking some stuff might take quite a while but that's just kinda part of meta-progression. binding of isaac's meta-progression unlocks are way worse in this regard
stuck fern
i guess replayability for me comes from pushing as high as i can, not unlocking things through grinding :/ i guess your perspectives tho
hollow sorrel
I don’t get treasure troves because I play with tight deadline, I don’t use the Boulder companion, and I’m always pushing bounty levels, so I’m rarely getting darkness as boss rewards. After budget cuts was removed from hell mode, I figured that I gain darkness so slowly that it would take me like 100 additional hours to meet the new darkness cap
dim rapids
also you can always buy titan blood/diamond at styx shop at the end
whenever i did my runs i usually just skipped buying stuff from shop unless absolutely necessary and saved for final styx shop
also i do troves at tight deadline 1 as well, in fact i even do styx troves
stuck fern
oh btw this game has gorgeous OSTs 
chrome geyser
I spoke my mind about BoI before; but each update makes the game worse in meta progression. BoI is actively a bad roguelike imo. The only thing that makes it better are some fan mods; which for the pinaccle i guess Edmund realized is better than his own work and is adapting it as an expansion. (Repentance will have Antibirth)
hollow sorrel
So I modded myself extra darkness, and I’m still here. I don’t understand the burning desire to grind resources, when it has nothing to do with player skill
chrome geyser
@dim rapids confirmed for madman
dim rapids
all in all the fun of hades is up to personal preference
hybrid galleon
the binding of isaac?
dim rapids
speedrunning? go for it
32 heat spam? go for it
slowly clearing all bounties 1 by 1? go for it
hybrid galleon
its more like rng but ok
dim rapids
if you want to always do all runs at 20 heat from 0-20 heat bounties, go for it
hybrid galleon
i enjoy speedrunning that game
chrome geyser
I would do tight deadline if it was not for elysium. Sometimes my build cannot deal with elite exalteds in small time frame.
dim rapids
i was talking about meta-progression in boi
and how slow it is in comparison
hades is relatively fast compared to boi lol
tight deadline 1 is doable
although sometimes with bad builds i run out of time
but i usually still can tank through the penalty
hybrid galleon
the game has a lot of secrets compared to hades tho
dim rapids
tight deadline 2 is solely a 32 heat thing and nothing else
chrome geyser
BoI meta progression felt faster to me though; the game is much easier, you need around 20 runs to unlock the main progression line.
hybrid galleon
i platinum 300%
chrome geyser
Present in the game is the problem.
hollow sorrel
Boi has the most wonky damage scaling I’ve ever seen. With good rng, you could melt rooms in the last zone in a few seconds. With bad rng, it might take over a minute to get through a room on the last zone
chrome geyser
I got all achievements in BoI
hybrid galleon
high five
chrome geyser
oh yeah. And it's bad if you need to take a minute to get over a roon.
*room
Hello; i will take brimstone tammys head for a 5 minute run please!
To me BoI's greatest worth is it brought roguelike's to mainstream.
hybrid galleon
Lemme 5 minutes finish off delirium real quick wheeze
chrome geyser
And we get excellent game devs like SGG build great games to a more experienced audience
chrome geyser
The most unfun addition to any game ever was Lost (before holy mantle) and achievement locking items behind lost. And they are very good unlocks.
hybrid galleon
Indeed
the old lost unlock method is just
ughhh
now they do it to the husk isnt it
at least husk is less rng
with the beginning its guaranteed to get the shovel 1
chrome geyser
I played it a ton; i would used to with my friends during college. Once I developed the reflexes it just became a quick 30 min game i could play in my downtime.
Oh lost unlocking was ok. You could use seeds.
Lost achievements were something though.
hybrid galleon
that one as well
chrome geyser
You can't use seeds; can't take ANY damage whatsoever in the game; and you got to finish ALL the endgame bosses; including boss rush.
hybrid galleon
but imo old lost is just stupid
ive done enough no damage run as eden i think im fine on that back then
chrome geyser
I had to cheese it the first time with a bug that was patched in a day; but i did not have time to play so i just turned steam offline for a week to stop updates coming in.
chrome geyser
Oh yeah lets take it there.
sacred idol
So I've found that, as far as I can tell, the issues with Hades' hitboxes don't happen for me at 60 fps capped.
@hollow sorrel Do you play the game at >60 frames?
hollow sorrel
Erm, I can check this evening. I never checked my fps on this game. I do know the terrible hit box drama only happens with forced overtime on.
I assumed the issue was that the graphical animation and the hit box got de-synced on max forced overtime. Like, the hit boxes would speed up by 40%, but maybe some the graphical animations don’t speed up by 40%. Or when certain animations are supposed to happen before other animations, those get de-synced too.
naive tusk
Which hitboxes exactly? His spin attack?
I’m playing with forced overtime right now so I wanna see if it applies to me as well
hollow sorrel
Like, I’m assuming on Ex-Furies, that a fury sister should swoop all the way down, let you know she’s there, and only after that will her attack start. But sometimes it feels like “surprise sister attack” on maxed forced overtime, even if I review the video
Yeah. The spin attack
naive tusk
Cheers! I will keep an eye out👌🏼
hollow sorrel
Thank you
naive tusk
Unrelated but I’m using Chiron’s bow and Blizzard Shot is amazing for creating distance, especially with rupture 💙
sacred idol
@hollow sorrel It definitely happens without Forced Overtime, but I was at fluctuating 90-120 fps that time.
On an unrelated note, despite the fact that it's not fast, I quite like this run with Charged Volley Chiron
Had to take that for the Fates
But despite the range sucking... a lot, it's doing a metric ton of damage.
If I get a flurry shot hammer, I'll take it, so the bow can be fully reversed.
hollow sorrel
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5A7dLPaDyhA here is the ex-fury attack de-synced from the pre-attack animation (the fury swooping down and completely stopping)
naive tusk
She doesn’t even give you a full second to react 😂
hollow sorrel
Lol
chrome geyser
there seems to be no damage on the final boss on the second one. Maybe the deflect message is a glitch?
sacred idol
also Drift Dash is comically fun
chrome geyser
I notice that I can never reflect to hades' attacks. I always try to time it to the actual spin; and i always get hit.
This last video is what happens to me constantly
Huh so maybe it's not I'm bad but the forced overtime animation and damages are out of sync
Yesterday i was sure i was going to die on my run; but had flurry sword and deflect. I was gonna face tank final boss and die; (had no DD) but to my surprise I won. I was beginning to think deflecting the final boss is something impossible; but in that fight i was randomly deflecting. So deflecting is possible; it's just the animations are not synced with the damage incoming.
opal bay
okay, quick question: rocket bomb, triple bomb or delta chamber?
chrome geyser
Do you want to submit the videos to feedback @hollow sorrel ? I know it was mentioned a few times but more mentions can't hurt with evidence.
Delta chamber is bad. Triple would be my go to.
Rocket if on controller
dim rapids
weird, i had at least 4 darkness boons from chaos
hollow sorrel
I’ve posted them in feedback a while ago
dim rapids
but they're not showing up in my boons list lmao
opal bay
triple bomb it is then.
chrome geyser
Delta reduces your attack speed a bit i think. And reload's are just dashing/bombardement downtimes
hollow sorrel
The end result is that if I’m playing a melee weapon, I only use one point in forced overtime, because the hit boxes aren’t anywhere near as terrible with one point
chrome geyser
Triple targeting is easier I think; it also allows for chill stacks; which is my fav rail special boon. Nice damage; and i reserve flat dps for the main weapon usually.
sacred folio
Rocket Bomb for me. It's generally easier to aim & use with a controller
sacred idol
@opal bay Rocket Bomb I generally like, but I THINK it can't be fired immediately after dashing.
chrome geyser
Mouse targeting the bombardement is very good. But I agree with rocket bomb on controller. Rocket bomb is great with the auto targeting.
sacred idol
Rocket DPS is far stronger than any non-Zeus and non-shotgun primary fire, I think
sacred idol
Aphrodite on attack?
chrome geyser
Good part is; it is aoe
sacred idol
Without shotgun or anything?
chrome geyser
Yeah.
sacred idol
Is that good DPS with just the regular rifle though
chrome geyser
Base damage is 10. Zeus lightning hits for ~16
sacred idol
yeah, so you'd need to be doing 26 damage per shot to match it?
chrome geyser
Yeah; it's pretty good dps. It's aoe too.
Aphrodite is not AoE (can be with hammer)
There is also support fire; which is again +160% without occupying a boon slot.
sacred idol
No, my point was, I don't... believe Aphrodite can match that without the shotgun
chrome geyser
Zeus is amazing on the rail for sure; just don't be afraid to get other boons on main. Main works well.
Oh yeah definitely.
Wait no she does.
sacred idol
UNLESS you get Chaos?
sacred idol
Wait, what? I don't think she gives 150% below heroic
or without poms
out of box? doubt
chrome geyser
Oh yeah it has to be heroic apparently.
I confuse the numbers of attack and special constantly with aphrodite.
Her epic flourish can give +160% out of the box.
If you have artemis everything crits; things like demeter and aphrodite do measure up to zeus.
(I'm just trying to diversify my rail play; because i always go for zeus. And i found other gods on main are not bad at all)
chrome geyser
Try divine strike, swift strike and flurry fire. Great deflect.
sacred idol
speaking of diversification
chrome geyser
Dio can be higher damage per shot than zeus; unless you go flurry fire or zag aspect.
sacred idol
I have the two 'worst' hammers on Chiron bow (triple shot, charged volley) and having a blast
dim rapids
also i generally prioritise rocket bomb over anything
chrome geyser
Charged volley straight up is AMAZING on chiron though
dim rapids
unless it's cluster then i consider it based on my build
chrome geyser
I think rocket vs cluster is a mk vs controller choice.
dim rapids
charged volley is good on artemis special, trash on dio, varies depending on build
nah it's just up to whether you want to take the risk
dim rapids
you can go cluster first then try and get rocket bomb
or you can go rocket first and then try for cluster
just depends on what you do
if i'm given rocket vs cluster, i generally go for cluster because it's more dps
chrome geyser
I went with rocket too often and now i don't like it as much for bombing
cluster is so fun.
sacred idol
Nah, I use Cluster alone happily on controller
opal bay
okay another quick round question: spread fire, inescapable blast or delta chamber. I have the three rounds for the special, my attack is zeus boon and it has hermis boon too to speed it up by 30%
sacred idol
Triple Bomb is good on kbm though, and with Hermes special speed, it's great.
never take delta
Okay, take Inescapable.
manic ermine
Delta is fine
chrome geyser
Inescapable
sacred idol
Spread Fire has bugger all to help Zeus
@chrome geyser I have Artemis special on Chiron and charged volley is absolutely nutty, as Genesis mentioned
chrome geyser
If you have zeus; don't take spread fire usually. It's not as good.
sacred idol
Triple shot does need work to be really viable, but currently, it's an okay shotgun
chrome geyser
Charged volley is really good with chiron bow. I like artemis or aphrodite on special.
rancid shore
define shotgun
naive tusk
@hollow sorrel ok so I waited till Hades did his spin attacks about 3 times and I didn’t suffer damage while inside the white circle before he executed them. As for the hitbox outside the circle, I couldn’t move outside the range in time 😅
patent tiger
I did not get any spin attack hammer upgrades on my Hades Aspect Spear runs, so I opted to just do Flurry Jab with my Artemis Attack boon and got a win that way
chrome geyser
Special shoutout to poseidon dash or attack on that; to give you space to charge on regular rooms.
sacred idol
@rancid shore firing in literal melee range
chrome geyser
I think Hades aspect is bad; on the base that spin attack is so inconvenient to pull off without the specific hammer upgrade.
And flurry jab is awesome.
manic ermine
Shotgunning is hitting with multiple projectiles simultaneously
chrome geyser
You deal pretty much 50 base damage; and on hit stuff apply 5 times if you get the spread chamber on rail and do low range shots.
Except zeus i think.
It's a good upgrade.
rancid shore
when you do that with triple shot do you still try to powershot?
manic ermine
You'll have enough time for dash powershots
chrome geyser
oh you peeps mean shotgun with the bow
with overtime? I never really went for that.
rancid shore
chaos ate them
naive tusk
Forced Overtime wasn't felt that run XD
(Oh yeah, Hades didn't have the chill status while I was testing btw)
sacred idol
I'm not on overtime.
I'm on 2 heat, just trying to please the Fates for loot.
Triple shot really needs a rework.
hollow sorrel
@naive tusk I don’t think the issue is obvious each time. I had a few video of Hades, and picked the most obvious examples from them
manic ermine
If you're lucky you can get triple shot chain shot for easy mode
naive tusk
Oh, I see. I will keep an eye out anytime I play on Forced Overtime then 
sacred idol
rofl, got two duo boons in a row in the styx shop, nice
AND I have Rare Crop on my Artemis boons
this is fun
hollow sorrel
The actual part that confuses me is I thought the last few patch notes mentioned they changed some of hades’ hit boxes, so I’m wondering if they were aware of it, and are (unsuccessfully) trying to fix it
sacred idol
as slow as I'm being (24 min to get out of Elysium), this is just a plain fun run
opal bay
another failed 32 heat run.
naive tusk
Maybe they are 😄
dim rapids
do it on shield
opal bay
though I had it this time, but I ran out of time in Elysium even with picking the fastest routes possible
chariots really just bring down my timer
dim rapids
big chariots or small?
manic ermine
You can clear every elysium room with plume and still have to worry about tight deadline occasionally
dim rapids
oh they appeared back in my boon list
also if you don't have a good build in elysum at 32 heat you're generally gonna fail, no matter what
sacred idol
Aphro Attack/Artemis Special on Chiron with Charged Volley... nuts
dim rapids
sacred idol
Heart Rend on THAT is... whew.
rancid shore
elysium feels so slow for me; i always spend around or above 60% of my time there
dim rapids
darkness farming simulator
opal bay
funnily enough in Asphodel I had like 4 extra minutes when I entered Hydra's room
dim rapids
asphodel is the shortest biome
and elysum requires a good build for 32 heat else you're not gonna make it
naive tusk
Dude, check out all that darkness 💜
opal bay
that is a lot of it
but yeah I really need to work on it, or work on with what my heat gauge looks like
dim rapids
dim rapids
that amount tho
dim rapids
everything crits
sacred idol
Yeah
dim rapids
including casts
sacred idol
LOL okay
opal bay
but yeah, what your heat gauge looks like when doing runs for 32? because honestly, I only just now found the set up that I am somewhat comfortable with, or at least feel like so.
dim rapids
man i need more darkness runs like that
i got like 6k darkness in this run alone pretty sure
for 32 heat runs it varies on weapon
patent tiger
When in Elysium it feels at times my current build would do better against the Giant Soul Catcher, but I get Asterius instead and vice versa.
dim rapids
shield doesn't really care about whatever you choose
as long as it doesn't involve budget cuts
i recently did a 32 heat run with little uptime on privileged status
ran out of time on elysum but just tanked through the damage
sacred idol
I mean, I guess you could do 1 rank budget cuts
dim rapids
1 rank budget cuts is horrible
you lose 50% rare/25% epic/fated authority/plenty other benefits for 1 heat
in fact you shouldn't even go for budget cuts no matter what
sacred idol
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/198553698450800640/680462692460396552/unknown.png was not fast, but fun
rancid shore
I wish RNG gave me heart rend more often
dim rapids
i once got heart rend on tartarus
then proceeded to not get the weak duration extending boon at all
which literally meant <10% uptime because my only source of weak was in crush shot
manic ermine
It doesn't have as many options until you max it but it still works well if you take zeus/dio or use it for secondary effects.
sacred idol
What becomes worth using with rank 5?
sacred folio
For theory crafting, Zeus shield damages foes every 0.3 second
Rank 5 does 30 damage per hit. That's 150 damage per 0.9 second.
That's like, Hestia's damage per second, but AOE
Wait, bad math
It should be 90 damage every 0.9 second
Rank 3 is only 19 damage per hit, roughly 2/3 of max rank's damage
naive tusk
I think max rank was 57 damage per tick but I’m not sure
sacred folio
That would be blatantly OP
sacred folio
See the occasionally reliable wiki: https://hades.gamepedia.com/Shield_of_Chaos#Aspects
manic ermine
blitz disc hits for 30 at max ranks
I don't like going zeus because you often miss the bolt icd
sacred idol
🤦 Aphrodite keepsake... get Special on Chaos Shield instead of Attack
neon obsidian
Zeus shield would feel a lot more flexible to me if you could press Q once to stop the shield in its place, then Q again to begin its return
The travel time to reach max distance is kind of brutal, and by the time it gets there most enemies have repositioned
sacred idol
What's a good attack pair with Aphro special on Chaos shield, just for raw damage
manic ermine
demeter
sacred idol
ah right, I also have Charged Shot.
dim rapids
welp
have 5 ares boons
all slicing shot related boons
and ares offers double exchange for attack/special and curse of vengence
feelsbadman
dim rapids
and he offered double exchange again
what
?????????????
2 times in a row
guess this is an exchange of RNG after the darkness farm run lmao
sacred idol
It's the law of equivalent exchange.
chrome geyser
It feels like exchanges are offered more often again. Or might be me.
abstract pilot
looks like your run is.... doomed
sacred idol
Yeah, Exchanges seem a bit too common now
chrome geyser
@abstract pilot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCHnghLW_1Y
dim rapids
like i literally took all ares boons except for attack/special doom related ones, and i got offered to exchange both of those twice
(and missing legendary)
dim rapids
also only source of doom i had was the revenge one
and this was what i was offered ust now
chrome geyser
Doom doom doom. Doom for days.
abstract pilot
wow, your streak is equal to your total clears, and it is really high
sacred idol
111 lmao
native ether
@naive tusk Do I have your permission to use your boon tree graphics on the wiki?
Those would be amazing to have.
(respond with a ping when you get the chance so I don't miss it. :))
chrome geyser
Maybe message them just in case?
sacred idol
Is the star on Chaos Shield supposed to spread from Zagreus' body?
If I remember right, Chaos Shield should throw a shield that fans out on contact, right?
dim rapids
i think it's centralised around him?
sacred idol
I remember having a better hit rate... right now I can barely hit with one shield
naive tusk
@native ether sure, go ahead! I used the info on the wiki to make that after all
Also, if info is updated or added about boon progression, I can edit the boon trees since I still have the original editing document
dim rapids
try being closer to walls and bouncing the shield off the wall
usually guarantees that most of them will bounce off the wall and into the enemy
sacred idol
No, I mean, I remember it just kind of being easier to hit with.
native ether
Cool! Its possible the boon tree information is a tad outdated since I don't think its been updated for the Long Winter update
but if they match its a good starting point
sacred idol
Aphro on the throw sucks with no priv stat though, bah
sacred folio
Speaking of boon progression, I'm just editing the Duo Boon page, like, right now.
And there sure is a lot of outdated stuff
sacred idol
🤔 Some people DON'T want that loading screen to show the right aspect?
confusing downvotes lul
dim rapids
\
native ether
Numbers are presumably outdated, and I presume it didnt have any of the new duos
dim rapids
i have no clue on shield
naive tusk
Speaking of boon progression, I'm just editing the Duo Boon page, like, right now.
@sacred folio
Oh my, please do so! I just started doing a chart and it’d be nice if it’s updated
native ether
I would assume Broken Resolve and Wave Pounding actually work for the legendaries, but I haven't confirmed that.
sacred folio
New duos seem to be added just fine. But some old Duos' prerequisite are incorrect
native ether
Many old duo prereqs were done based off assumptions
sacred folio
@naive tusk I highly suggest looking into the game's data files and dig canonical info from there. That's how I'm editing the wiki anyway
dusky drum
whats the ares legendary
naive tusk
I don’t know how to do that...
velvet basalt
Vicious Cycle, it increases how many times a blade rift will hit something
wait no, it increases the damage for each consecutive hit, i got that mixed up
sacred idol
aaaaaa RNG
my Chaos Shield is literally backward
dio attack, aphro special
and I'm NOT getting exchanges this round. :/
dusky drum
oof
naive tusk
Slap them in the face 😆
native ether
Digging into game files can be a tad rough if you've never done it before. But there's a couple of us who like to do it, so its not too worrisome so long as we do it often enough to keep the wiki up to date.
sacred folio
@naive tusk it might be off-topic to talk about game files here so feel free to join this Discord server to ask any questions: https://discord.gg/TeJN99
naive tusk
I tried that before but the folders were filled with so many archives I’m unfamiliar with so I just left it at that. It’d be much appreciated if you find the time to do so 😊
rancid shore
just delete the wiki and let it be like the 90s; wild west any rumor goes: kill skelly 999 times to get a special trinket
native ether
I think that fated authority doesn't work properly in some situation. There is one type of room that kept rerolling itself between Dionysis/Zeus/Poseidon boons until I wasted all 8 FA charges I had. It would be a coincidence, if it was just one time, but I've clearly seen this at least 2 times now.
@dusky hull That's not a bug. That's how Fated Authority works. A room can only ever have a maximum of 3 potential options, and it will cycle between those for Fated Authority.
It'll work that way for every room.
sacred folio
I just finished editing the Duo Boons page for now and here is the diff: https://hades.gamepedia.com/index.php?title=Duo_Boons&diff=4747&oldid=4740
native ether
Yeah when that page was initially filled out, there was a lot of guess work to figure out what boons built which duos
Out of curiosity if you're digging into the game files atm, could you check if Broken Resolve and Wave Pounding build into their respective Legendaries?
sacred idol
LMAO Theseus with EM
sacred folio
Sure. One minute
sacred idol
With ONLY EM, he's ironically easier on the chariot.
native ether
he is and isn't. Kinda offset by the fact that he's got Extreme Asterius there and that is rough
sacred idol
No, I mean, with no other heats except EM and some non boss affecting crap.
They scale up big time with +damage and +speed, I'm sure, but with default speed and base damage, it's legitimately easier feeling than dealing with his throw and block for half the fight
sacred folio
Turns out no. Both Broken Resolve and Wave Pounding have their own prerequisites, but they're not enlisted as other boons' prerequisites
kind cloud
I've come to sad/pathetic realization that I don't know what the f^^^ing f^^^ity f^^^ I'm doing when trying to maximize dps. I thought I did.
Let me paint the picture.
I was using the rail (exawhatever)
I walked into the Hades fight with 490 health - full and 3 death defiances.
I walked in with 210% aphrodite damage on special with triple bomb
I walked in with artemis on attack with explosive fire
I walked in with ares dash (11 damage per rift)
I walked in with ares call 24 damage per rift
I had Artemis crit at 5%.
And I lost.
Granted, I was probably another 2-3 hits of triple bomb away from beating hades but...uh...with that build...i shouldn't have lost more than 1 death defiance.
Seriously, I honestly don't understand how people can just crush Hades and I can't.
/shrug
This happened on 16 heat though so I'm not a total noob.
native ether
So they don't build into Unhealthy Fixation or Second Wave? Interesting. Good to know, so the current info on the wiki is accurate
sacred folio
Yeah. It kinda makes sense since Broken Resolve implies breakup, which means there's no longer Unhealthy Fixation
sacred idol
finally I get Doom attack as an exchange instead of frickin' Dio attack
native ether
name wise it makes sense but mechanically it doesn't really because Broken Resolve is a Tier 2 boon that modifies the Weak status curse, similar to the one that extends its duration.
sacred idol
too late to get duos, though
native ether
The most important reason I would assume is to prevent the player from getting all the olympians in 1 run.
dusky hull
Btw, I remember Styx's rooms working differently.
native ether
I would assume its also to discourage blowing all your charges on 1 room to get the exact specific thing you want.
sacred folio
TBH I don't think the tier system even exists. All the prerequisites of Duo and Legendary boons are just hand-coded.
naive tusk
Oh, if someone finds something inconsistent, please let me know 🥺
native ether
The tier system doesn't exist. We just called them "Tier 1" or "Tier 2" cause it was easy to classify
sacred folio
Good to know.
native ether
Because its not possible to do so, players will use FA more spread out over a run rather than to force 1 room to be what they want.
Which is imo a bit more healthy for the game overall. Means Fated Authority cant be used to force 1 specific thing, but it does still give you way more options
As far as I can tell the current boon trees you made are accurate. If there's any discrepancies, we'll let you know. These are great though, because a visual aid is better than calling them tiered boons and using a chart. 😄
sacred folio
No problem.
sacred idol
Started a run, Zeus keepsake on Eris rail. Explosive or Piercing Fire?
Triple Bomb as well
dim rapids
pretty sure piercing is better because each individual hit can proc it's own lightning effect iirc
dusky hull
But a
Explosive can hit several targets, too, plus it's more effective on bosses, because +accuracy.
I usually scale effectiveness of boons/upgrades depending on how they are effective against bosses, tho.
dim rapids
varies, explosive is better in general but i like the armor shredding
sacred folio
@naive tusk I just found a little discrepancy on the boon progression graphs: Dionysus' Drunken Dash is not a valid prerequisite of his Legendary boon.
This feels like a bug but for now it is what it is.
dim rapids
meanwhile i swear my RNG is going up and down by miles each run
i just had a triple duo fog combo
dim rapids
and on this new run first room boons are all common
haven't seen that in a while
rip
naive tusk
Oh, let me do a quick edit then. Give me a couple of minutes
How to replace the existing pic on the album?
I want to replace it with the edited one
sacred folio
has no idea how imgur works
naive tusk
Since I created that album without signing up, I guess I can't edit it now
sacred idol
Zeus Rail best combo gods?
Poseidon dash/Demeter special?
or Dio shot?
This is truly a cursed run though
I just took Attack Selfdamage on Chaos... on room 10.
earnest ravine
Oh BOY
sacred idol
yeah time to fight a fury with only my eris special (unbooned) and fricking flood shot
barely made it.
mighty ermine
sacred idol
Now...
I have a choice
Hermes, a Pom, or take the chance to get memed on again by Chaos.
...screw it. I'm gonna do Chaos
keen ocean
MEME TIME, BOYS.
sacred idol
either gonna end up with the most inappropriately base damage filled Zeus Attack rail ever, or die in three chambers
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/198553698450800640/680499870259609631/unknown.png this is the third one
keen ocean
Bomb it is.
sacred idol
The one frickin' time I get a zeus start
It's a zeusn't rail
every single thing I've gotten goes against the playstyle I started out with every intention of using
this is a streak of 3? 4? runs that have all shenanigans'd me, right after Reverse Chaos Shield
naive tusk
I see obols
sacred idol
Actually, do I turn back and replace with Frost Strike
Frost Strike, Mistral Dash, Snow Burst.
I have THREE whole attack stacks on Chaos, and Zeus rail just isn't gonna scale with this
do I trade up to a rare frost strike and just roll with an exploding, ~3x damage ice machinegun?
screw it
hope for lightning dash it is
keen ocean
Ice minigun is really good for applying massive stacks of chill all at once.
sacred idol
Yeah, but I just un-cold-fusion'd myself by one step
At least if I get a cryoblast pull and a shotgun hammer I can turn this around
sacred folio
The thing is, +% damage from Olympian Gods' boons and Chaos boons are additive, not multiplicative.
sacred idol
Yeah, but so is Zeus attack
sacred folio
Unless we're talking about critical hit damage, which is multiplicative
sacred idol
oh wait, damn, 72% of 10 is less than what I had.
mistakes were made
unless, again, I get coldsplosion before dying horribly
sacred idol
LUL
dim rapids
(if you don't understand, zag got stunned the instant hades died, so he's stuck in the stun animation, similar to the spear charging up)
cursive pivot
how'd you get gold and darkness in the hades fight?
odd quarry
I imagine Bouldy
sacred idol
Delta Chamber is literally the same fire rate as base?
cursive pivot
ahh
sacred idol
...am I on wok's run, but on 5 heat
wait no, they got triple instead of cluster as a choice
sacred folio
Delta Chamber has a shorter cooldown between shots. But there's an enforced delay between bursts
The numbers are on the wiki now: https://hades.gamepedia.com/Adamant_Rail#Upgrades
sacred idol
yeet, arctic blast
I wish I actually had a summon
Hmmm
Cyclops jerky is also additive to other multipliers?
sacred idol
Ugh. Rupture or Blizzard Shot
fates say the latter
screw this run, I'll probably die
dim rapids
rupture if you need privileged, else blizzard
sacred idol
no Pstat, got blizzard, last death defiance but won vs Theseus
just pleasing the Fates so they'll stop griefing me
dim rapids
blizzard shot is pretty strong
sacred idol
Sea Storm vs Jolted, lul
this is truly a "just take the fated choice and die"
naturally, since I replaced my zeus attack unwisely, I can't actually proc sea storm :/
dim rapids
huh
zeus attack doesn't even proc sea storm
sea storm is only procced from knockback effects
which in this case, the only thing that does knockback is your blizzard shot
sacred idol
yeah, that's the thing, it's not lightninging
because I no longer have an attack that procs lightning, other than Call
which doesn't count
about to get flexed on with no DD
sacred idol
welp, I lost
also it did turn out I had sea storm procs
just...
well, no status
on the bright side, that was a hilarious way to fail
Hopefully next run I won't get such a mess of a boon spread
chrome viper
you only need a knockback effect once you get sea storm
chrome viper
does Blizzard Shot still knock enemies away?
keen ocean
I've been doing 1 PoP runs while fishing for Dio and Aphrodite's legendaries, as well as the last few duo boons remaining, trying to fill out the prophecies.
It should, I think.
It's just slow
sacred idol
It does. I just had no statuses except chill
keen ocean
On the other hand, if you manage to corner Hades with it, just watch his health melt like ice in a blender.
sacred idol
Ah well
Maybe one day I'll get the perfect boon order for Zeus Poseidon Demeter Dio duo shenanigans.
Imagine it...
All the statuses, sea storm on dash, cold fusion, scintillating, ice wine...
keen ocean
I managed to get both Cold Fusion and Blizzard Shot in the same run once, practically tore Hades in half.
sacred idol
Hmmm. In theory, that exact setup is possible...
Zeus and Demeter on attack and special. Poseidon dash. Dio shot.
And a crapton of good RNG
keen ocean
I believe it was a Chaos Shield run: Demeter attack, Zeus special, Poseidon cast and dash.
sacred idol
Might be more fun on zeus shield than rail though
keen ocean
I've heard good things about deflection Zeus shield. Never tried it myself, though.
sacred idol
I just want combos that disgustingly overkill
The Lord of VFX
Accidentally crash the game
Oh, with Hermes flurry shot and legendary.
For maximum shenanigans.
Who doesn't want to fire three ice wines in as many seconds
That shoot lightning.
keen ocean
I managed to get one of those last night: Hunting Blades with dual shot and flurry cast. Practically disintegrated Hades when he went for the big laser show.
sacred idol
But alas, I am in RNG hell
Even in another game my RNG sucked tonight
Just a cursed night.
Will try again sometime.
keen ocean
Which was good, because the first time I got hunting blades, it overloaded my mediocre GPU and crashed the game, erasing it from my project list 😭
sacred idol
F
keen ocean
It's alright, last night got it back, so I'm safe now 😌
sacred idol
I did get those duos out of this run!
So it was a profitable failure.
And three fish
keen ocean
That's basically the tagline of any rogue-lite: "profitable failure".
Also our banking industry.
sacred idol
Yeah, it wasn't a complete loser run, I just took the meme as far as I could
Which was 3/4 of first phase Hades
keen ocean
High heat, or just bad luck?
sacred idol
Bad luck
Like I said
Last 3 runs have been screwing with me
Or 4
I'm not sure if this is accidentally Dead Cells, because I sure did get a Bad Seed
keen ocean
It happens. I was fishing for Heart Rend with that last one, but it didn't show up for 4 Artemis boons in a row.
XD
sacred idol
Btw, did they change the rate of Hades shooting skulls
Because I used to have runs where he almost never did.
Now every run so far today has been a machinegun of skulls
Man switched to cast build lul
LOL
keen ocean
Oops.
turbid needle
😛
patent tiger
Does Vicious Cycle proc on the secondary blade from Dual Shot? As far as I understand the effect, I would guess yes.
sacred idol
And yet it feels like when I played last, same patch, he didn't shoot so many
keen ocean
I believe so, yes.
To the Vicious Cycle question.
I had that one, too, so it really melted through him.
And yeah, feels like they seriously upped the rate.
sacred idol
What's a good weapon to run ares cast with
keen ocean
I like the spear, personally, but I like it with every build.
sacred idol
Also, the question is when. They haven't patched the game since I last played it.
...oh, achilles
Toss spear for blender
Eris empower is probably also pretty disgusting
keen ocean
I actually prefer Zagreus spear, weirdly. I like being about to stand far away from enemies and pelt them with death from afar.
chrome geyser
For ares cast? The poseidon sword or achilles spear for bonus damage.
The damage boosts don't really matter a whole lot if you get vicious cycle; cause you will trigger health stages with a full cast loadout.
I think more important is either hera bow or flurry cast for the hunting blades
Final boss is weird. I had runs where he PWNL4Z0Rd like 5 times; then runs where he didnt. Runs where all they did was continuosly summon the spooky vases.
stoic crest
