its probably the least useful of all the mirror upgrades
#h1-builds-and-combat
nimble wraith
ocean arch
I play with budget cuts but sometimes chilling out with maxed boon rarity chance is nice
nimble wraith
the next highest requires 2.5k total
ionic blade
whew
ocean arch
First couple extra reroll are neat but getting them from keys during runs is also a thing
abstract pilot
unfortunately, i'm contractually obligated to take all the gems i can
ocean arch
For the munz?
abstract pilot
no, just for the gems
pastel jolt
i want to buy a nicer bed for cerberus! he deserves it! so i need more gems!!
main citrus
Goodest of bois
ocean arch
Basically the one other use Poseidon has
fallow niche
If only it effected things other than room rewards...
shell solar
Well I wish I was recording
The reroll just failed. It was darkness, I rolled it to gems, and the reward was darkness anyway
shell solar
on god
I paused it to check. I know I rolled it to gems because I said it out loud to my audience of nobody
and when the room cleared it dropped darkness
livid comet
oh, so the actual reward didn't reset?
shell solar
Yeh
livid comet
submit that shiz
pallid dagger
I hope all of the Supergiant staff have a lovely day!
Except the dude who designed the Pact-altered Hydra fight. I hope he has an average day.
stray frigate
extreme Hydra not so bad
only thing i dislike about ex hydra - she absolutely same
but another arena
last dawn
Mm kind of ||last phase she also detaches and can follow you||
stray frigate
well yes
ocean arch
Extreme measures hydra is awful if you get the wrong heads to spawn. Smaller available platform space to move around in and if you can't clear a side quickly it's pain
stray frigate
also not so far she stuck in bottom arena and couldn move
pallid dagger
you know, i used to think the gun was the worst weapon?
lament coral
I actually think EM Hydra is a bit easier on its own, since the main head no longer shoots
pallid dagger
that's still coronacht. that bow sucks. but at least coronacht meshes well with upgrades.
i'm using stygius now and everything is so mediocre. like, it doesn't suck, but i can't find anything that jives well.
lament coral
it's the room layout that makes it a pain
pallid dagger
@lament coral what game are you playing where EM Hydra doesn't shoot.
lament coral
you have to dodge lava, dodge projectiles, dodge enemies, dodge heads
not only do you have to dodge all that crap, but you also have to keep track of Zag in the process
lament coral
which is, again, difficult due to the amount of stuff on the screen, along with the fact that hydra heads hang above Zag
stray frigate
for Hestia i guess
lament coral
so they can cover him
pallid dagger
Hydra still shoots for me
i should know, i just fought him
livid comet
@pallid dagger ding ding ding
pallid dagger
also, i'm breaking my longest clear streak ever out of frustration
we have got to get some means of re-rolling seeds.
livid comet
you've summarised my feelings on stygius
lament coral
@pallid dagger 2nd phase of EM Hydra doesn't
livid comet
the one weapon I will not be bothering to take beyond 0 heat
finite thunder
Hydra is too much of a cluster foxtrot in the first place that putting Hydra in a tiny arena with almost no space to stand on is so frustrating
last dawn
Hoo baby someone hasn't built artemis cast posiedon sword then
last dawn
Nemesis dash attack build is also very noice
lament coral
not as capable as other weapons, mind
pallid dagger
i cheesed the crap out of the final boss with poseidon
finite thunder
And gods help you if you take heightened security
lament coral
but still
pallid dagger
i'm talking about the sword in general
finite thunder
Lava is so strong with HS
livid comet
someone hasn't put any blood into sword beyond unlocking nemesis
pallid dagger
it doesn't react well to upgrades. like, exagryph is extremely malleable to upgrades. high rate of fire means that the minute you find a way to deal high damage, everything onscreen explodes.
lament coral
taking HS is the best way to learn about traps
you take HS, you stop walking into traps, easy
livid comet
the other weapons just give you so much more return on investment
last dawn
Hmmmm nemesis plays very well with upgrades
livid comet
other weapons play better
last dawn
World cleaver and the one that makes your dash attack hit twice
livid comet
hm
ocean arch
Nemesis with Aphro attack and aphro/art duo is spicy
last dawn
With the dash attack hammer upgrade, aphro/demeter attack, some extra dashes, artemis dash. I have never melted bosses so quickly before
Each dash noncrit is like 300 damage total
livid comet
hn
pallid dagger
you're describing a very, very specific build. RNG is not that kind except once in a blue moon.
ocean arch
Nemesis with just Aphro attack is damn good tbh
last dawn
Not really. The only 'core' part is the hammer upgrade for double dash attack
the rest basically builds itself with whatever is available. You don't have to have artemis dash, you don't have to have aphro attack
pallid dagger
i'm sorry that you've had really good runs with this sword and feel the need to squash everything i say about it but i have feelings on this
lilac frigate
but... 30% crit ._.
ocean arch
The sword's grown on me lately
last dawn
Lol yeah 30% crit is huge...
ocean arch
Just all aspects
last dawn
Sword is very punishing though, not near as much safety as the shield or range as the spear
lilac frigate
but wanna go deeper into the cast/poseidon build for me, i always wondered if there is any cast build out there
ocean arch
There's a couple cast builds
slender basin
I don't know how to deal with baby chariots with it
last dawn
Lol run away
ocean arch
Dash through a wall
shell solar
you just dash through obstacles
pallid dagger
like i said, i had a run with the poseidon sword that shredded everything in sight
but! that required a lot of attention from artemis. she's the main cast-buffer.
last dawn
The baby chariots will suicide on pillars
ocean arch
9/10 times they smash against the wall and blow themselves up
I've done dio and Dem cast poseidon runs
last dawn
I mean, imo anything under heat 10 despite rng it's hard to have a 'bad run' if you choose the right rooms
ocean arch
Never going to do Aphro cast sword run because killing your only ranged attack is silly
last dawn
Once you're familiar enough with the game that is
lilac frigate
wait can you actually stack thos demeter crystals to double digit numbers
last dawn
I haven't tried it, but aphro cast hera bow, does it still have short range or does it hit what your arrow hits?
ocean arch
I've burned down the big guy with maybe 6 full cast drops
Using dem cast
Required a bit of luck on him not doing his vanishing nonsense
Was a lower heat run, admittedly, like 5-8
last dawn
Lol it's hilarious when he calls you a 'coward' and then turns invisible
ocean arch
Aphro cast on Hera bow originates from the attack end
last dawn
๐ฎ
ocean arch
Same as all casts in the Hera bow
last dawn
Ahh okay, I primarily only stick with artemis cast for that bow xD
stray frigate
Dio cast for Hera
Arte has huge weakness
slow roomcleaning
and Dio gives u huge aoe dmg
last dawn
Yeah that's true :/ but with dio cast you can't get the damage per cast dislodged
ocean arch
But you can get the diodemduo
stray frigate
what
last dawn
And with arte cast if you kill one but have more casts it seeks the next target
last dawn
I'll have to try dio cast with the bow now that you mention it though
stray frigate
waitin for dislodged
ocean arch
The only thing I care for wrt Hera bow is getting greater recall
stray frigate
also Hera works with Demeter boon for no stones
ocean arch
So far I've made basically any cast work with it but still, lower heat
last dawn
Greater recall is the dream D:
ocean arch
Dem cast on Hera bow is awful but I had good fun with it
Dropping crystals on the enemies is good fun until you notice they only need to take a step and the crystals are all facing the wrong way
ocean arch
Ares cast on Hera I've only ever done while fishing for Hunting Blades
stray frigate
yeah but HB hard to get
lilac frigate
i'm not that high yet but i've been sweeping through the heat levels with Chiron bow - dio special + another debuff attack pref. aphro
ocean arch
I've gotten quite lucky often wrt duo boons
last dawn
Chron bow is really cool too ๐
shell solar
Love the logic in rats being able to hit you while airborne and dashing? seems...reasonable
stray frigate
@lilac frigate yes Aphro+Dio with their duo is best for Chiron
last dawn
Lol yeah those rats hit really fast and really hard
lilac frigate
i never get the stacking doom one when i want to aim for it lmao i gave up on that
stray frigate
problem is u need to much boons
stray frigate
Ares Special Aphro Attack Longer doom Stacking Doom Duo
last dawn
You can doit!
ionic blade
My damage is lacking, but i have high HP, and a nice assortment of Debuffs
fingers crossed
last dawn
Good luck!
stray frigate
gl
last dawn
Watch out for pot
lilac frigate
gl
shell solar
My vengance boons aren't cancelling each other, is that intended?
ionic blade
This'll be first time with the shield if I do
lilac frigate
does heightened security increase the pot damage
last dawn
While charging bulwark you can block literally anything he throws at you including lasers
ionic blade
Actually, gotta ready up first
lilac frigate
i think it oneshotted me last time
last dawn
It does, I ripped many a 32 heat run to 150 damage pots
lilac frigate
how much playtime needed to consistently win 32 heat xD
last dawn
Too much for me xD I had to attempt it like 10 runs before I finally just BARELY made it
shell solar
@ionic blade Lol my staff calls it "spicy sprite"
lilac frigate
btw what keepsake/ companions do you use in you runs? @last dawn
shell solar
ooo weee I got exit wounds, dual cast and 6 cast on the posiedon aspect. If it procced right it would do absolutely insane burst
last dawn
@lilac frigate https://imgur.com/OwfN6Vu
Used Hestia Adamant Rail with artemis basic attack for that nice crit
I went artemis keepsake for 1st level, athena for 2nd, aphrodite for 3rd then skelly tooth for 4th. Shady companion is what I typically use for money and sandwiches
ionic blade
Ayyyyyyy
4/5 bois
And this bow run is shapping up to be good within the first room
A chill on special, and a special damage buff from chaos
graceful vault
Wait
First biome rare crop?
Or first floor?
Cause first floor you have nothing to buff xD
ionic blade
Nah, i had 3 already
double strike, frost flourish and arctic blast
the blast is meh, but I'm doing a special run, so the flourish rocks, and splitting bolt is awesome ofc
Wow
I think that there's a different god helping me out this run
and his name is RNGsus
2 legendary boons
all i need now is more HP, and I think I'm set
fingers crossed I can kill theseus without uding a defy
Yeah
Ladies and gentlemen, we gottem
turbid needle
that was quick ๐
ionic blade
Yeah, my DPS is pretty hugh
i have 2.5X special damage, 30% faster special, plus 4 extra arrows upgrade, and each one inflicts chill, which means every single burst triggers arctic blast for an extra 200 damage
I know that overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer, but I have faith in this run
dense star
Be wary, triumphant pride often precipitates a dizzying fall... 
mighty swan
god i am 100% digging guan yu, i kicked so much booty
mild crag
it's a good one alright
mild crag
godspeed
ionic blade
Yeah, i have the hp gain on hit sword upgrade
it's scary, but also satisfying
and my cast inflicts 2 status effects, so i basically have double damage against all bosses
that was satisfying
just beat the large butterfly ball before a single soul could rearm
YEEAAHH
Vengeful mood BOIS
lets get some lightning up in here
I am such a glass cannon right now
ah
That feeling when you find a bug, but don't want to report it because its so op and fun
mild crag
hand over the bug report 
ionic blade
maybe I'll use this bug to kill you, cause its soo good
Srsly, it's a 100% damage increase because you press an extra button
I will report it tho
boreal prism
I bet some speedrunners would like to hear it
ionic blade
true
I'll say it here after I do
It's rare though
so not exactly an easy exploit
Basically, if you have flurry slash with stygius, and spam spacebar or q, you attack at about double the speed
green sable
Everytime i get a Zeus boon i wanna scream Shazam โค๏ธ
ionic blade
hmm
entering styx at 20 mins
This might just be my first sub 30
ooooh mah gawd
support fire with this insane attack speed? Yes please
Agh, damn
fountain was the second path
ok, 4.5 mins to kill hades for the 30 minute run
I can DEW IT
green sable
โค๏ธ
limpid vortex
Guys, I'm a really new player, so please forgive my question. Is Sudden Rush or Minotaur Rush better?
ionic blade
What are those?
boreal prism
Well, what do you have so far
limpid vortex
I wish I could tell you but the select screen is covering my build haha. I think I want Sudden Rush. Faster bull rushes means more bull rushes.
ionic blade
It all depends on your build
boreal prism
That's solid logic
gritty walrus
I think you can bring up your boons with the select menu up ๐ค
boreal prism
Most options are viable, especially early game
gritty walrus
What shield aspect are you using?
ionic blade
if you have lots of special upgrades, pick somehting that benefits your special. Lots of attack upgrades, something for that, etc
unkempt pagoda
early game, pick what seems coolest!
gritty walrus
^
limpid vortex
I have a build centered around raw attack damage, and increased damage after charge.
ionic blade
^
limpid vortex
Running Zagereus
unkempt pagoda
of course, it always helps to chose upgrades that synergize
gritty walrus
honestly the best way to play is to kinda experiment and get a feel for everything, you will learn it all in time
unkempt pagoda
congrats!!!
limpid vortex
Nice!
gritty walrus
๐
gritty walrus
nice!
green sable
grats โค๏ธ
graceful vault
I just realized that if you wanna max out all a weapon's aspects you basically need to clear all heats up to 26 with that weapon (not counting prophecy titan blood and such)
ionic blade
wow, really?
damn
I think part of the reason i won last time was because i used most of my blood to fully upgrade the crits on special one
gritty walrus
you can get 10 Titan blood from clearing a run with each weapon and another 10 from clearing a run with each Pact condition
luckily you don't have to have all enabled at once ahahah
boreal prism
Seems like it's better to max out 1 aspect than it is to spread the blood out
ionic blade
100% true
You get a bigger buff that way
oh wow, fated authority is super expensive
green sable
yes it is
graceful vault
Oh yeah for sure, just talking completionist factor
To max a weapon (Once all 4 aspects are unlocked) is 51 titan blood
ionic blade
That's probably partly why
So that people dont start acumulating tons of useless darkness until really late game
gritty walrus
Honestly, first weapons i maxed out were Chaos Shield and Hera Bow, those are some fun weapons
gritty walrus
also i realized the other day i had like 150 keys or something so i just traded in heaps for nectar>diamonds>ambrosia>titan blood
ionic blade
I should really be sleeping
green sable
Sleep is for the weak....
gritty walrus
Sleep is for the smart if you have classes
ionic blade
Zag doesn't sleep, and look where it got him!
gritty walrus
Zag hasn't gotten anywhere tho
green sable
explains why meg is laughing at him
ionic blade
True, true
welp, I shall see you hellspawn tomorrow
also, there's no stupid questions @limpid vortex
Never feel ashamed to ask something that seems noobish
To employ a horribly overused phrase, we were all noobs once
green sable
but zag is wide awake....
upbeat moat
Found my cheesiest build yet
Cursed Slash, Flurry Strike, Athena's Aid, Broken Spearpoint
green sable
o
upbeat moat
Stand on top of Hades and invulnerably kill him
upbeat moat
All you do is hold attack and spam call
I've played a lot of different builds but this is probably the funniest thing ive seen yet
green sable
Seriously i want to try that lol
ionic blade
@upbeat moat cursed strike, broken spear and flurry slash were what allowed me to reduce my bestr time by almost 10 minutes
it was so much fun, especially with the bug abuse
green sable
wow
ionic blade
Yeah, it was seriously broken
green sable
i keep thinking the Zeus Lighting bolt is Shazams lol
ionic blade
It was suuuuper glass cannon though
had 100 hp, and my only defensive boon was 5 dashes from hermes
every other one was damage-based
didnt even have a call
i did have weak-inflicting casts i guess, but that was also just so I could get 2 status effects
rotund wagon
yes to continue
I managed with the shield to do 3/4, counting his extra health, with only 2 defiance
and now I lost 2 defiance doing 1/4 of his health
using spear with short dash
mild crag
oof
rotund wagon
so to sum it up this is a big oof
rugged estuary
For the record, I do not like artemis cast on hera bow, but good lord the damage. Hades died in two shots
mild crag
you're allowed to spoil in #h1-builds-and-combat
rotund wagon
ah ok
mild crag
just not #h1-discussion
rotund wagon
thank the lord
and by lord I mean zeus
1 skelly defiance left
onto the second phase
warm halo
you can dewit
karmic coyote
tragic, time to try it again
rotund wagon
oh boy here I go dying again
green sable
ive died over 100 times so far...you do the math
steep sentinel
Laser beam is such a sneaky little...
And when it gets you it gets you so hard too cause you get the initial hit and then wrecks you more right after
rotund wagon
question: does a boon in a certain slot have a decreased chance to turn up when you already have one in that spot
I just wanted to know if it's true or is it just confirmation bias
torpid abyss
Does support fire affect every individual arrow from Bow Special?
torpid abyss
Dang
rotund wagon
so if you have a bow and it pierce multiple enemy, only one arrow will fire
same thing with the bow, if you hit multiple enemies multiple time it also only fire one arrow
it should be specified one arrow per attack made
rotund wagon
well its good with fast weapon still
torpid abyss
Ye i know
rotund wagon
yes
rotund wagon
how much bonus does it offer
livid comet
Bonus damage to armor imo
rotund wagon
I have not encounter that myself
but imo you can shred armor reliably late game, bosses have no armor anyway, you should take the mark boon
torpid abyss
This roll gives me 203% more damage on crits vs armor
livid comet
marked is probably the weakest overall status effect you can use for privileged status
livid comet
yeah I'd grab that
torpid abyss
Athena dash + aprho stuff
rotund wagon
like I said, I have not used the armor boon
if you have a good crit build you should take mark
livid comet
You need two ailments on an enemy to proc privileged
torpid abyss
There's also the "deflect inflicts exposed" boon @livid comet
livid comet
yes which is super good
rotund wagon
Zeus jolted is literally omae wa mou shindeiru
fallow niche
brings a tear to my eye
daggerfield you were the one asking for advice not too long ago sniff
livid comet
LOL
mild crag
Daggerfield level up 
livid comet
what can I say, I got a decent amount of playtime
patent tiger
Hunting Blades with Dual Shot and Vicious Cycle just melts HP bars
turbid needle
Hunting Blades and Vicious Cycle is the strongest build in the game.
green sable
hunting blades?
obtuse ravine
Artemis/Ares Duo
green sable
ive got 84 hours in so far.
obtuse ravine
where the rift cast is faster and hunts enemies
radiant basin
vicious cycle is ares's legendary, just keep that in mind ๐
livid comet
I'm on 52 hours
green sable
ive gotten 84 so far...and still going strong
i'm going to get his trinket and go from there
radiant basin
You have to manually reload
mild crag
reload
radiant basin
R3 on controller
livid comet
....that isn't clear at all in the game
abstract pilot
i swapped my summon and reload buttons on controller though, which helps
i think it does say when you "manually reload" but they could probably make it more clear
livid comet
it says when you manually reload but not when you've got the gun and are using it
on the screen
where the prompts show up
radiant basin
what prompts?
karmic coyote
the game just said press to reload, but press what, i had to try every buttons possible
haughty trench
I'm certain this has been talked about before, but I have an awful sense for what direction the shield bois are facing and if anyone has any tips I'd be real grateful
radiant basin
The reload button is in hotkey settings
you can also change it to be anything you want
haughty trench
@karmic coyote if you're on gamepad it should be click the right stick
karmic coyote
yeah i was using a gamepad, figured out a long time ago but thank you anyway
livid comet
nope
haughty trench
It only shows that tooltip like once, only knew about it bc I habitually rebind buttons
green sable
ive never done a cast build with ares before
oblique tusk
just switch it over completely to bolt-action
radiant basin
if it had slightly better damage then yeah I would agree
livid comet
make it a shotgun!
haughty trench
I would really love a QTE on the reload for the rail, maybe as an aspect or something. I just wanna speed it up and I reload too often for my own good
oblique tusk
yeah, we already have a shotgun
oblique tusk
tbh i wish hestia aspect, instead of being a generic damage boost, had something to do with hestia being the god of hearth, home, etc.
like
if you haven't moved in a second, you get bonuses
radiant basin
There was another rail build that had a bigger single shot but was removed, right? I don't know anything about it because I started playing in the steam version
oblique tusk
maybe just generic damage
or maybe knockback/stagger
but something to do with standing your ground
as an interpretation of "protection of the home" meaning "stand your ground and fight"
green sable
found hermes for flurry cast yay!
karmic coyote
so turn hestia into a heavy machine gun
mild crag
there was a rail hammer which reduced the magazine size to 1 and made it deal 80 base damage
but that got repurposed as hestia
green sable
o
radiant basin
Ohh I see
mild crag
Eris Aspect's empowering blast used to be a hammer too
oblique tusk
i want my "stand and fight" hestia aspect :(
oblique tusk
and then the sniper-aspect rail could be the futureshifted aspect
livid comet
and reload to LT
oblique tusk
as simo hayha
oblique tusk
wack
oblique tusk
this is why MKB is superior
livid comet
nevar
livid comet
yeah
and since it doesn't have a graphic, you can't see when you have it selected to rebind in the menu either.
livid comet
yeah.
radiant basin
I have an R3 graphic
green sable
these cast builds are nice...omg
radiant basin
I cant figure out how to take a cap of it because if I touch my keyboard it swaps to kbm binds lol
haughty trench
I've definitely had it before, but I'm using PS4 and Switch... Don't know if it worked on switch tho
thorny edge
whats your game resolutions? mine iss 1600xSomething
radiant basin
um
shell solar
@radiant basin if you're on windows you can use the snipping tool and set a delay
radiant basin
Oh
shell solar
window key + shift + S
livid comet
@radiant basin hold a joystick
and screencap
it's how I did it
I just pushed left joystick up and took the screencap
shell solar
that sounds easier
rotund wagon
i'LL BE DAMNED IF THE FIRST THING I FINNISHED THE GAME WITH IS THE RAIL
SORRY CAPS
ok
rotund wagon
well I reached the end with full health, decent upgrades and the doomguy rail
livid comet
wait...
rotund wagon
going to face the boss
karmic coyote
the same thing happened to me but with the sword instead, i didn't like sword at first
radiant basin
radiant basin
yeah lol
livid comet
radiant basin
its bizarre
haughty trench
the sword just feels kinda flimsy, even after several upgrade
karmic coyote
Zag sword is fun
radiant basin
seems like a bug yeah
radiant basin
uhhh idk cant check for a while
livid comet
rip
livid comet
yes
thorny edge
huh R3 is showing up properly now
livid comet
how confident are you that you can beat hades?
@thorny edge WHAT
o.0
do I need to reinstall?
I tried restarting
karmic coyote
@torpid abyss buy a diamond
torpid abyss
I got a heroic Artemis special boon
livid comet
yeah this is a bug man
torpid abyss
With vicious skewer
And max level base spear aspect
That and a demeter attack boon
With blast
karmic coyote
just buy a diamond, 1 or 2 more boons not gonna help you much unless you're desperately trying to get a duo
torpid abyss
I mean
torpid abyss
I have the aphro HP gain boon
green sable
nice
torpid abyss
AND i have enough to get diamond and heart
livid comet
I guess this is a bug
green sable
BTW ares casts while nice arent fitting my play style ๐ฆ
torpid abyss
I can easily outlive hades
livid comet
diamond it is
green sable
Arti is great.
green sable
im going go try athena stuff
livid comet
welp I've submitted the bug report
shell solar
I keep doing that. ๐ฆ
I almost got a no hit against meg until I caught the corner of a trap for 5 dmg lol. Using this butterfly is excellent training
livid comet
@radiant basin once you finish your run, could you test if the R3 graphic appears correctly on your screen for you by skelly?
radiant basin
I just finished so i can do it within a minute
livid comet
sweet
radiant basin
When does the prompt to reload show up
torpid abyss
I have become the king of gamers now
radiant basin
@livid comet
livid comet
when you equip exagryph
thorny edge
wait why is my FPS so high
it used to be seeminngly capped at 60 but now its 150
karmic coyote
fps increases as you're getting better at the game
static token
^
torpid abyss
Unpopular opinion: We should be able to use gems to buy a Gaming Chair for Zagreus' bedroom
livid comet
so yeah
that's a bug.
oh well
that's how my reload shows up
see how the key position is screwed up
since it's a bug I guess I'll hold off and remove the feedback thing
also hestia build help?
green sable
im trying an athena build....its not bad...not good either but defintly not bad..she also restores lost DD's to
frosty pier
Back in the old days then memes about "Good luck, I'm behind 10 DDs" were sprouting everywhere... She was a truly Goddes to go for.
twilit stag
is it only me or is that demeter boon that increases damage if you aren't holding any casts bugged and increases it by a flat value rather than the %
torpid abyss
@green sable Athena's boons alone are not as strong, however having a way to spam deflect + the exposed boon for at least privileged status can be extremely valuable
green sable
very much so
im using it now and won the king fight easy
only one loss of DD this time
shell solar
@livid comet no my dude. Pop your special often, take a couple shots and dash. You don't stand still. Also you can reload as soon as you fire your special and it reduces the amount of not-shooty time significantly
radiant basin
I like athena's cast builds
im about to post my wizard build as soon as I blow up the final boss
jolly dirge
I managed to have fun on the final boss. Led him into an alcove, and he was in one of the entrances with five Ares blade circles just bouncing in place. With the Legendary.
Would love to say this was intended but it was entirely accidental.
green sable
well while Athena is great its not doing the dmg i want
i might break out a zeus one
radiant basin
zeus cast
radiant basin
No, I mean mine
shell solar
I just beat HAdes with Guan yu. 2 Chaos gates with +60HP and the Demeter Heart efectiveness boon were quite nice
and of course SPEEEEEEN
radiant basin
How much max hp did you have at the end?
shell solar
I wanna say like 119
radiant basin
ahh not bad
shell solar
nah it worked OK. Only died once. Had 26% on that butterfly
radiant basin
nice nice
shell solar
but it was 2 heat so ya know. Pleb status remains
radiant basin
butterfly is my favorite keepsake
i pretty much always play with it unless im trying to test a build idea
shell solar
I didn't think it was worth it until I deliberately started getting good at not taking hits
radiant basin
Even if im having a bad run I still take it because I think the playstyle is fun
At least since i stopped using tight deadline
shell solar
Oh yeah I couldn't do it with that one lol
the untouchable runs require...time.
Time and a whole lot of ranged attacks lmao
gaunt quarry
Are the gods' individual keepsakes worth using? I've already maxed out ares, aphrodite and artemis
shell solar
I think they are for dictating your builds
but I bet all the rarity buffs stack well with the upgraded ones
livid comet
Potential exagryph build?
Demeter atk
Aph. Special & cast
Demeter snow burst
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athena dash, hermes for greatest reflex
lament coral
not sure why you'd want Aphro cast
green sable
no idea i don't do good with the rail...sigh
turbid needle
Jolted is nice? It only deals damage when your opponent attacks you right? So it's up to your opponent
ocean arch
Aph cast only ever feels worth it on Hera bow to me
Don't like losing range, it feels silly to pick up on basically anything else
stiff aspen
Jolted fades over 10 seconds duo boon (Demeter, I think?) plus the Aph+Ares duo boon is pretty hot.
Just good luck getting all of the requirements in a run.
lament coral
kinda wish Jolted proced off anything that isn't movement, like exalted soul's resurrection
or blue crystal's shield cast
ocean arch
Getting the dem+zeus and aph+ares is extremely unlikely in my experience
green sable
jolted is basically an ares doom stuff
ocean arch
Even getting the trifecta of dem, dio and zeus duo boons in a single run is rare
turbid needle
I feel like Jolted is not the best aspect to go for, rather go for lightning multipliers
But to each it's own!
green sable
well when i can get them i will but thats what it offered me last go
unborn trellis
privileged status is bae though
turbid needle
True, sometimes our hands are tied
Btw, when can I use ambrosia? I have 19 lol
Am I missing something?
stiff aspen
It takes a while but when you can use 'em you use them up quick.
turbid needle
Alrighty
green sable
they also make mighty fine gifts to
stiff aspen
Just keep giving Nectar to people. Go through some storylines. Ambrosia is for close friends~
turbid needle
Yeah it is, but not everyone I can give nectar anymore
green sable
i need another rail build.
torpid abyss
Am i a gamer now
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/565196943949561887/672684474651115520/unknown.png
green sable
thats not that hestia bs
turbid needle
I expected me to be able to give ambrosia at some point, but that point asn't arrived yet
radiant basin
@green sable do you like spread fire
unborn trellis
bonus everything
stiff aspen
Then you probably need to go through the storylines a bit further. Hades is good but one issue with it is that if you're able to win runs, the storyline actively progresses slower. ๐
turbid needle
Btw guys, my game is set to fullscreen and borderless but doesn't continue in the background, this is abnormal right?
unborn trellis
is this a modded run?
stiff aspen
No, it's just weird and bugged.
stiff aspen
Honestly? I really love Support Fire from Artemis.
green sable
for rail?
torpid abyss
Zeus attack, Demeter/Aphro special
green sable
o
turbid needle
Support Fire is also good.
unborn trellis
rail attack wants flat damage, rail special wants % damage
stiff aspen
Support Fire doubles your damage immediately on Rail. And you get so many arrows.
green sable
okie i can try that
turbid needle
Artemis is great on every weapon.
stiff aspen
Anything that stacks benefits from the Rail. So Doom with the right Boons, Dionysus, etc.
turbid needle
But focusing Zeus and Demeter or Dionysus and Aphrodite is really really good on the Rail.
Funny story, I bought a really expensive arcade stick to play fighting games and I gained Hades as a gift from my Girlfriend, After that the last 4 days I played Hades arround 40 hours and touched the arcade stick for about 2 hours XD
stiff aspen
Going Aphrodite and chasing her legendary boon is uh... Broken.
green sable
i will try it
radiant basin
I've tried a few times to get a good multihit zag rail build going but it always seems so bad
turbid needle
Hades is amazing, and I really enjoy that everyone has it's own take on what builds are viable, good etc. And everything seems to work. It makes it really personal
ocean arch
@turbid needle use the arcade stick for hades, I dare you
green sable
im trying to actually get rolling with the rail lol
radiant basin
I like shotgun builds and I like triple fire rocket
turbid needle
Yeah thanks but no thanks ๐
smoky oasis
I have problem with melee weapons
stiff aspen
Yeah. Honestly, I suggest giving Aphrodite a try if you want to use Rail's Attack.
smoky oasis
already cleared 10 heat with bow and shield
but still cant beat hades with sword and spear
ocean arch
Fair, can't disagree that it's probably a silly idea
radiant basin
Oh yeah and I think concentrated fire is really, really bad
ocean arch
Poseidon sword with artemis cast build is busted
stiff aspen
Concentrated fire is really bad.
unborn trellis
concentrated fire wants you to use skelly
stiff aspen
Although the damage stacks better with Zag Rail and the one that gives you more ammo + better fire rate + more ammo.
radiant basin
instead of every time you stop firing
smoky oasis
how do people clear in sub 10 mins?
ocean arch
I tried using concentrated fire on a run, stacking +atk stuff
green sable
Dio special right?
smoky oasis
I can't even get below 20
ocean arch
Felt like the boon did nothing
stiff aspen
The boon seems to add one flat damage. And I believe it's after any +% from boons.
ocean arch
The Poseidon sword is currently king of speedruns from what I've been told
stiff aspen
I miss the Hammer that caused the rail to reload after every shot, unironically.
turbid needle
That's kinda become Hestia Aspect.
stiff aspen
Even if I'm aware they took it out for Hestia, Hestia feels more awkward.
ocean arch
Hestia with delta Chamber is pretty neat
stiff aspen
Pressing R stick feels uncomfortable when you do it that often.
smoky oasis
btw how do you unlock medusa keep sake?
ocean arch
I'm sat here wondering what you could rebind it to on a controller and I'm drawing blanks
stiff aspen
Oh yeah. Delta Chamber. Each Attack is three shots. So each shot isn't counted as its own attack any more, right?
brisk island
l'm playing with Chaos Shield right now, and confused - Zeus special applies to bonus shields and in same time Demeter's is not. Anyone have same outcome?
smoky oasis
I have her maxed with nectar currently
stiff aspen
Gotta build up the Lounge I believe.
ocean arch
Nah, delta chamber counts as 3 attacks per burst
stiff aspen
Ohhh. So each shot still counts as its own attack?
So something like Support Fire still works for it? 
ocean arch
But for Hestia it's just being able to reload at any time, given how the empowered shot overrides things
turbid needle
Rebind rerolls or summons to stick, set reload to a face or shoulder button.
ocean arch
And yes, it does
turbid needle
And yes, Support Fire works.
stiff aspen
Heck. I deliberated over that decision for a while but went with my gut that Delta Chamber changed the burst to be the attack, not the individual shots.
Ah well. :>
ocean arch
It fires 3 rapid shots then pauses a moment
stiff aspen
Unless you Dash. ๐
ocean arch
Think overall fire rate in terms of rounds per min is unchanged
radiant basin
I hate delta chamber too ๐ฉ
ocean arch
At least it feels that way
stiff aspen
Honestly Dash Attack on Rail feels weak for something like Dash Strike but it's undeniably strong by itself so.
ocean arch
Dash attack on rail feels awkward
Even with aim assist on it feels a bit off to properly aim the attack
stiff aspen
It is awkward. You're basically forced to dash every shot and in return you get nearly doubled damage.
Oh, best method with a controller.
Flick the stick to where you wanna go. Hit dash button and immediately release the stick. Zag should keep his aim on target.
livid comet
yo
explosive attack or flurry fire on hestia
๐ค
I've got demeter atk, aph cast, flurry cast, winter harvest
stiff aspen
Flurry fire is the more accurate shots and more rounds, right?
lament coral
I didn't even know rail had a dash attack
livid comet
it kinda sucks
lament coral
what is it, 2 quick shots?
stiff aspen
If you feel you're running out of ammo and auto-reloading quicker than you intend, go for flurry fire to try and ease that. Otherwise, go for explosive rounds I'd say.
livid comet
it fires twice in quick succession
lament coral
right? That's barely even noticeable
livid comet
aight
karmic coyote
both are bad with hestia tbh but i guess explosive attack is better
stiff aspen
It fires twice in quick succession, but more importantly it cancels the rechambering time.
oblique tusk
support fire feels mediocre on things that aren't the rail
but i really like support fire with it
lament coral
it's more balanced
stiff aspen
So rather than 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 you get, 1-23-4
lament coral
but if you get flurry on other weapons, you start to feel its value
stiff aspen
It's really strong but carpal tunnel enducing.
lament coral
not really, there's no point spamming since you're limited by attack speed
green sable
i JUST got flurry fire.
radiant basin
does support fire proc 3 times on the spear dash attack hammer
whats it called
serrated edge
stiff aspen
I've not found that? But I'll have to experiment more. I may've been forcing myself to do something that isn't actually helpful. 
radiant basin
ugh
stiff aspen
Support Fire remains disappointing.
oblique tusk
like i said
radiant basin
Is there literally any other decent multihit build
oblique tusk
only good on neutral special
lament coral
I just said, any flurry hammer
radiant basin
Yeah but theres like
lament coral
flurry spear is mad fast, what you on about?
stiff aspen
Flurry Spear is quite nice I assume.
turbid needle
Flurry Jab is amazing.
lament coral
sure, there's no attack aspect but it works
turbid needle
It's my favorite Hammer on the Spear after Quick Spin on Guan Yu.
oblique tusk
For his neutral special, Zagreus wields a GฬทฬฬพUฬธฬฬNฬทฬฬ
turbid needle
We haaaaaaad an Attack Aspect, but nooooooo, gotta get them Special builds in.
stiff aspen
Flurry Spear + Serrated Edge is uhhh... Interesting if you just hold down attack and dash between enemies.
turbid needle
Not like Hades wasn't already great for it.
lament coral
to be fair, I'd rather Achilles or Hades were replaced with an attack one
lament coral
Zag special is lovely and it grew on me
livid comet
Holy crsp
lament coral
not as much as Guan Yu, but still
turbid needle
It's not bad!
livid comet
This is no longer an exagyrph build
turbid needle
It makes Explosive Launcher very funny, since it's so fast now.
livid comet
it's a cast build
stiff aspen
Achilles is probably intended as an Attack Aspect because you're supposed to lead with the Rush, but that probably isn't how it turns out.
turbid needle
@radiant basin With the old Zagreus Aspect (+10 base damage to my Attack) and a kitted out Black Out, with Dionysus Attack I was poking stuff in Festive Fog for 100 damage per attack.
It was a lot of DPS.
stiff aspen
Big deeps
turbid needle
omg yes
Poseidon sword, fully loaded, true shot cast and double cast projectile! Let's go
radiant basin
i dont really get it, like if i just compare that to serrated spear + 2 boons the dash attack is about half the speed and does like 600 damage
radiant basin
But it also doesnt stack poison i suppose
turbid needle
I didn't have 4 or 5 dashes, and it keeps you still just a little too long for my liking.
It should.
But with this build I also had Extending Jab.
green sable
just wow
Zeus with rail is nice but then i put arti's support fire on it with flurry fire and it gets stupid REAL quick
radiant basin
Yeah I always try to get hermes dashes with serrated spear
turbid needle
Okay this is becoming a boss wrecker, all I want now is the auto retrieve / faster retrieve cast from hermes ๐
karmic coyote
might as well find exit wound, that elusive boon escapes me everytime i try a cast build
livid comet
so\
ideas on finishing up this build?
hestia with flurry fire & rocket
demeter atk
aph spec & cast
flurry cast
snow burst
stiff aspen
Exit Wound only turns up when you pick up a damage on cast Chaos boon.
radiant basin
I dont think that's true
I just got exit wound last run
I had +1 cast
no damage though
stiff aspen
Okay. Exit Wounds only turns up when you're trying to not do a Cast build. ๐
radiant basin
haha
karmic coyote
well that explains everything
turbid needle
Unbelieveable XD I also got exit wounds
lament coral
you need to have specific boons before wounds can show up
green sable
i know im missing something.
lament coral
check the wiki, I believe that info is up to date
green sable
ya i figured i was missing something im also missing fully loaded to
ocean arch
The worst feeling is when running no choice at 1 rank and it locks out fully loaded in a cast build
green sable
meh
obtuse ravine
Gratz on ur new best time โจ
ocean arch
Grats!
livid comet
Crush shot did work
stiff aspen
Cast Builds are fun but the fact they're so weapon agnostic can be a bit frustrating.
obtuse ravine
I havent touched aphro cast for a while. Its still the cone AOE right?
turbid needle
Do you get something for maxing out all keepsakes?
livid comet
yeah
it's so good
dash into melee, empty your casts into a single target
watch them disappear
retrieve your casts
lament coral
@turbid needle a sense of pride and accomplishment
livid comet
rinse, repeat
turbid needle
That's enough I guess ๐
lament coral
it also makes the runs easier cuz, you know, your keepsakes are better
opal bay
What's your best new time?
lament coral
Tim 69 is my favorite one, but 420 isn't half bad either
turbid needle
How do some of you post their build? I have a picture but cant link it ๐
ocean arch
Upload it to an image hosting site first
turbid needle
What is that?
opal bay
I swear typing away on phone is such a curse.
turbid needle
Alright lets test it
Hey! It works
LOL I didnt knew
This cast build was amazing
ocean arch
Any cast build is amazing
turbid needle
But this one extra special ๐
No aiming, whole screen filled with projectiles
That's lovely right
All I lacked was autoretrieve else I could afk and win
ocean arch
Pew pew
opal bay
35 minutes? 
buddy, let me tell you how spear and rail are great for 21 minutes or less.
opal bay
It's kind of different experience once the mirror is maxed out except the last one. (Up until you decide to limit the usage of darkness by heat.)
livid comet
I mean the weapons
lament coral
maxed out mirror and aspects make all the difference
livid comet
I've got everything maxed except for fated authority atm in the mirror
and the only weapon I haven't cleared with is sword now
opal bay
Oh then you are set for that part. I think fatef authority does nothing much and basically is a darkness waste since it's sort of endless. Never the less, I am sure you can do it with sword. Just gotta learn if you are more about fast or slow kind of sword.
turbid needle
Current world record is with Poseidon Aspect.
livid comet
huh.
opal bay
8 minutes too
livid comet
whaddaya know
opal bay
It's kind of crazy to think you can go through entirety of Underworld in under 8 minutes.
turbid needle
Also: Fated Authority is pretty important once you start making your way past 10 Heat.
opal bay
That's true although good luck on getting more from the mirror. If no luck, look for the keys always.
smoky oasis
what do u use reroll for?
turbid needle
Changes room rewards.
See you're about to get either Poseidon or a Centaur Heart? Reroll them into another god or item.
Check the pinned messages in this room, there is a chart to help you figure it out.
rotund wagon
lETS go
halfway through da boss with 3 defiance
shield dash deflect + artemis fire support
YESSS
rotund wagon
unless hades have a 3rd phase then I have beaten the game for the first time
turbid needle
Will zagreus ever be on the wonderful employee of the week board? ๐ฆ
unborn trellis
he never actually works, so no
turbid needle
OKAY BUT WHAT ABOUT DUSA HU?
jolly dirge
Zag pets the best boy and keeps rearranging the furniture
turbid needle
Dusa getting 0 love
livid comet
Dusa gets 1 love
rotund wagon
Dusa maintain the board if I'm correct
turbid needle
She's my best friend. Im giving her all the nectar in the world!
livid comet
specifically from you
karmic coyote
just you wait, someday hypnos will fill all those frames
turbid needle
YEAH HYPNOS NEITHER!
rotund wagon
how do I post images
unborn trellis
hypnos sleeps on the job
jolly dirge
Poor Orpheus probably would handle it poorly
rotund wagon
k
turbid needle
It works flawless
Orpheus getting anxiety and stops singing cause he got rewarded for singing well ๐
turbid needle
Really helion? ๐
unborn trellis
most people beat the last boss at some point