https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/396654410123575328/672458153123643402/68498466.jpg this is how i reached the end
#h1-builds-and-combat
tropic cargo
hardy crow
You ever put 8 artemis casts into a single shot
tropic cargo
i might have been over prepared
hardy crow
It's a lot of damage
turbid needle
"I think I'm gonna win."
dapper bridge
"Better play this run safe"
opal bay
you truly didn't win unless your hp bar has at least 450 HP
naive cobalt
Not even Athena defiance. Good luck not getting hit
stray frigate
i like crit on my special... when it's GY aspect with 1900 crit
not when it's Chiron with 20
dapper bridge
speedrunning 100
hardy crow
Gotta get that 2s save because I don't have to dodge
oblique tusk
you prefer eris or zag aspect for shotgun runs?
stray frigate
both are good
hardy crow
I'm having a lot of trouble beating my pb bow run though ;+;
hardy crow
Personal best
hardy crow
dapper bridge
Damn!
hardy crow
Didn't record it though so F
dapper bridge
what heat is this?
oblique tusk
15 hot diggity
dapper bridge
thats fast man
hardy crow
I do low heat for speedruns
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join our server
hardy crow
If I have longer than a 3:30 Tartarus I scoop
untold widget
we used to use forced overtime before we learned it didnt do anything
hardy crow
I think the biggest place I need to work on saving is Elysium rn
I suck at killing the shield dudes fast
dapper bridge
Elysium always gives me a hard time with Forced Overtime
Oh yeah its the shields, every time
stray frigate
@hardy crow u run into him and when he dash to u - u dash through him
dapper bridge
I cant play with 7 minutes specifically because elysium exists and i have to run the timer
hardy crow
I mean yes I'm aware
stray frigate
and he opened and stucl
hardy crow
But the problem is that that requires waiting for him to do something
turbid needle
Whats the WR of Hades? 😛
untold widget
my last 2 32 heat runs i ran out of time on elysium, the first one i still killed the bosses through the damage haha
hardy crow
Honestly it's pretty hard for me to run out of time
opal bay
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451062645890613258/672461303519903784/ciFnyLJV.png though really am I the only dummy who forgot to tune down the forced overtime after it was patched out to be less?
dapper bridge
Yeah thats pretty similar for me too, Guardian
I never die to the tiemr, it just deals so much damage to me that i lose anyways
I'm so bad at getting elysium done quickly
turbid needle
EIGHT MINUTES?
untold widget
Hermes would be jealous
hardy crow
Bow is a completely different beast
dapper bridge
haha
hardy crow
Bow is probably one of the slower weapons for speedrunning
And super reliant on getting either twin or triple shot
dapper bridge
That makes sense
Twin shot would help a lot, yeah
I've never tried speedrunning on purpose, but my times are better when i get twin shot
hardy crow
I mean tbf Triple Shot does the same thing, you just have to be melee range
hardy crow
The main thing is that it one-shots armored enemies
Because the first arrow breaks armor and the second kills
hardy crow
Bow is horrendously slow at killing armor otherwise
hardy crow
Eh it's not a problem imo unless you're going for time
If you kite well it's not too bad
dapper bridge
yeah armour shield enemies is why i cant crank up Forced Overtime
turbid needle
With what weapon is the WR run?
dapper bridge
So thats why its the death of me
turbid needle
But people said Sword is lowest tier weapon?
stray frigate
poseidon aspect iirc
tiny portal
What build(s) are good with the base sword?
stray frigate
any
kind cloud
wow at that run
stray frigate
or none
hardy crow
He's not using sword for the damage
hardy crow
He's using it for the cast % damage increase and cast knockout
turbid needle
Oh for dash?
kind cloud
someone help me with what happened at the beginning.
he takes artemis cast, he can do 98 damage, he does 147 damage 3 times in a row. what/why/how?
hardy crow
Artemis cast with Poseidon is very very high damage
stray frigate
yes
dapper bridge
yeah its 50
kind cloud
no, i'm talking about the beginning of the run
dapper bridge
crazy good
kind cloud
it goes from 50 to 98 with 10% chance to do crit
dapper bridge
I've just started using Poseiden sword and omg why have i not been playing this sooner
kind cloud
so how does he do 147 damage 3x in a row?
dapper bridge
rarity of the boon propbably?
untold widget
backstab, boiling blood, who knows
kind cloud
sorry, i'm switching between tabs and missed that part of the convo
hardy crow
Poseidon sword is fine for speedrunning, just reliant on getting artemis boons
dapper bridge
do you think theres a better weapon choice for speedrunning? What's your favourite to use?
hardy crow
Most people use Chaos shield iirc?
kind cloud
for speedrunning? i'm in favor of chaos shield
dapper bridge
ive considered trying to get into speedrunning but idk where to start
untold widget
it used to be Chaos
hardy crow
I'm not interested in speedrunning besides bow
untold widget
until we found good pos runs
kind cloud
/i'm terrible at speedrunning doe
hardy crow
Personally
dapper bridge
oh yeah, fair
untold widget
the previous runs were chaos shield with ares special, athena dash, and merciful end
untold widget
this is pos sword with artemis cast, and then you basically want artemis dual cast, artemis legendary, and hermes flurry cast. thats the core
dapper bridge
Oh yeah a little more RNG dependant than shield with the legendary, I see
untold widget
exit wounds and pressure points helps, demeter's cast explosion thing helps
dapper bridge
I LOVE exit wounds with poseiden sword
I've only played with pos swoird a couple times but this weapon is really fun
kind cloud
well, damn...this run i'm watching completely changed my opinion of the poseidon sword, wow
jolly dirge
I really want to try Poseidon Sword now.
stray frigate
Come to Sisyphus with 5-6 HP left
"Hello Highness you looking good"
kind cloud
i remember people telling me about 4 major updates ago that one of the cheesiest ways to beat the game was to have ares cast with artemis hunting blades, i never tried it but now i'm curious about what that looks like with poseidon sword
stray frigate
HB dont lodge
turbid needle
They don't need to, Poseidon provides a 50% damage boost.
stray frigate
so i think Achiles is better for HB
kind cloud
wow, thanatos has no chance against this cast spam because thanatos needs time for his 9999 damage to hit
amazing
jolly dirge
Than just grumpily ragequits because you keep killstealing
kind cloud
holy wowsers, i need to try this build just because of how it wrecks alecto. besides hades, probably the boss i hate the most
somber epoch
Huh, i wonder if its possible to have both crystal clarity and hunting blades at the same time
You get demeter cast first then switch it for ares cast
patent tiger
I am seeing the feel of Hera Bow with Dio cast. Especially if you get more casts or cast damage.
kind cloud
lmao, i've never seen hydra get wrecked in under 2 seconds
but all of its children survived?
weird
stray frigate
@sinful parcel focus asterius 1st
stray frigate
stay close but always behind with melee
or always be ready to dash from his jump
with ranged
dapper bridge
You can save your wrath (if you have one) for when Theseus gets to half health since he lowers his shield and you can just unload on him
It lets you blow him up in 2 seconds before he can even start letting his attacks fly after getting down to half
sinful parcel
Alright, right now I have the sword and going to the boss fight
I don't know what wrath is yet
dapper bridge
oh its the activatable ability that gods can give you
Idk if you have to unlock it or not, so maybe you cant be offered it yet?
sinful parcel
oh I have those already, but is wrath one of them?
maybe I just don't remember the name
dapper bridge
oh sorry i think its called "Call" now?
I say wrath because it used to be called "Wrath" when it was first introduced
kind cloud
so in luis's run, the hydra dying but its mini heads still being around is a bug ,right?
sinful parcel
yeah it's call, and currently I have artemis aid
dapper bridge
Thats a good one
kind cloud
and yes, wrath was changed to call
dapper bridge
So you basically dont use it until Theseus gets to under half health, then hell ask the gods for help
when he does this he lowers his shield, so you can hit him with your max-charge artemis call and kill him instantly
Make sure you focus down the minotaur first as well!
Asterius is more scary after you kill Theseus than Theseus is after you kill Asterius
sinful parcel
nice ok, thank you for the help! I just think this boss fight is so chaotic that I'm struggling to defeat them, even though I defeated them on my first try
dapper bridge
Hey no problem man
That boss fight is not trivial when you havent played it a lot, so dont get discouraged!
sinful parcel
and since then, I can't seem to kill them, I always lose when I usually defeat the minotaur and I already am low hp
dapper bridge
If you can kill the minotaur but die to theseus, then you probably just need to focus on learning their attack patterns/tells so you can dodge incoming damage
Try and stay behind Asterius at all times; he can only hit people in front of him (although he does turn around very quickly and will aim for you in order to turn around, so be careful)
sinful parcel
alright, ill give it a try
dapper bridge
oh did you pick up Sahdow Blade (or whatever its called)?
sinful parcel
yeah it was for the fate thingy
dapper bridge
understandable
Yeah that ones not easy to use if you havent played the game very much
But i usually pick sub-optimal boons so i can get the fated list done faster 😛
oblique tusk
also, another reason to kill asterius first
it's a LOT easier to deal with theseus' second phase when asterius is dead
stray frigate
it hard to face them both in 2nd phase
oblique tusk
and asterius' second phase is fine when theseus is alive
his attacks get a bit combo-y-er and more dangerous, but the gameplay is the same
dapper bridge
yeah i mentioned that, Theseus is less scary when Asterius is dead than Asterius is when Theseus is dead
sinful parcel
the thing for me is that when I get the minotaur alone I shred him, but with theseus it seems I can never dodge
oblique tusk
whereas theseus starts sharting explosions
dapper bridge
Haha
oblique tusk
ah, didn't see you say it guava
dapper bridge
Theseus' spear throw is tricky to dodge/deflect, so that takes some practice
Hey no problem man
It was far up
And more people jumping in to help new players is never a bad thing
oblique tusk
yeah, a good tip for dealing with theseus' spear
make sure to save one of your dashes
you can dash behind asterius while he swings before a leap
so if the timing is wonky and you can't hide behind a pillar, you can save the second dash for when theseus throws his compensator
sinful parcel
just a question about the main hall
there's two doors on the left side, do they have a purpose later on?
I remember when I played before the game was on steam that one of those doors was open
stray frigate
we dont know yet
sinful parcel
hmm, maybe I'm mistaken then, I swear I remember cerberus destroying a room on the left side
stray frigate
no it was lounge
dapper bridge
cerberus destroyes the lounge in the bottom right
dapper bridge
I havent seen any of the doors on the left open up yet, so i dont think they do anything
Maybe they will in the future though
stray frigate
one of this door is Hades room
sinful parcel
oh yeah do they intend to keep making big patches after 1.0?
like they're doing right now?
stray frigate
who knows
i think it depends on result
if there is something they can or want to do
if something misssing
or not ended
green sable
after 70+ hours im burnt
flint grove
or take a break from gaming in general
dapper bridge
Also a good idea
sinful parcel
what's the use of the blood shop or whatever it's called
why would I ever sell a boon?
jolly dirge
You may have a boon you don't really take advantage of, so you can sell it. Also works well in case you find one that would replace it later, this way you still get some Obols from it
stray frigate
@sinful parcel for getting some other god
flint grove
or for selling those epic boons you picked up just to sell later on
sinful parcel
but it's based on luck, you can only pick from 3
sinful parcel
well I guess I still don't know a lot about the game yet to understand xd
jolly dirge
Yep, and if it turns out you picked up a boon but find yourself not using it, or simply didn't like any of the options, then at least you get some return from it.
sinful parcel
ahahah
jolly dirge
Obols can be at a premium in runs, depending on your luck so it can be worth it.
flint grove
or you see the big bucks potential in a boon
dense star
Or you want to buy diamond/blood in styx
sinful parcel
I don't know what styx is yet
dense star
Guess you'll find out soon enough
flint grove
oblique tusk
f
sinful parcel
this: https://i.imgur.com/PGx1b7X.png
or this: https://i.imgur.com/l7XGvFf.png
I can reach 460 damage with power shot and crit, but extra 100% damage seems very good aswell
sorry for asking a lot of questions btw :/
stray frigate
dont be sorry
we are glad to help anyway
i remeber my joy of exploring
good feeling we all share
sinful parcel
you mean what I do all the time xd
dapper bridge
Even people who have been playing this game for a long time can make mistakes sometimes
Maybe taking a risk with a boon they think will be good later, and then get no support for it later
Which is actually a good time to sell a boon like that to the Purging Pool anyways
gaunt quarry
Guys is Hermes Greater Haste good? It's hilarious to run around with +49% movement speed already is asphodel (+25% from the Stygian blade), but I wonder if I should have taken evasion instead...
dapper bridge
I usually prefer evasion for the dodge chance, but movement speed isn't bad either imo
stray frigate
@dapper bridge i played almost 130 runs
flint grove
for messing around or for big drifts, yes
stray frigate
and played around 15-20 heat
dapper bridge
Drift dash is sooo hilarious
stray frigate
and only realised
stray frigate
SPEAR GUYS PIERCE MY SHIELD
dapper bridge
OH those damn spear guys
flint grove
dapper bridge
Honestly i didnt know that until right now and I have like 120 hours in this game at 21 heat
You learn something new every day!
turbid needle
^ As if they weren't annoying enough
At times I swear they'll attack from a much longer distance than the Archers LMAO
dapper bridge
yeah the longspear range is pretty crazy
turbid needle
I would have said chariots were worse, but they nerfed 'em
stray frigate
i hate them more than shield guys
turbid needle
Shield guys are kinda weird. It's just that it slows the pace of the game like REALLY hard
... Which can mess you up when it's paired with other ennemies
Otherwise they are kinda lame
To kill that is
gaunt quarry
What's your opinion on the fourth winter aspect of the Eternal Spear?
turbid needle
The Guan Yu aspect ?
gaunt quarry
Yeah
stray frigate
OP stuff
turbid needle
... It's interesting, to say the 'least
I would have called it a gimmick, but then they buffed it AND added the special
gaunt quarry
I was playing with it and it's cool and powerful, but you have zero health and tend to die if you don't get a lot of Athena
turbid needle
Looks very good now
stray frigate
@gaunt quarry u have frekin lifesteal
turbid needle
I usually go Aphro/Athena with it yeah
dapper bridge
In my experience you kind of live and die by hammer upgrades
stray frigate
and it works even with pact healing stuff
dapper bridge
But when it works it really works
stray frigate
isnt it op?
turbid needle
Ares ain't bad with it either
dapper bridge
Oh yeah i think its super OP
jolly dirge
It's fun, the special feels satisfying and you have lifesteal. That said I spent my first run with it in a constant state of "AHHHHHHHH!" right through beating the final boss.
turbid needle
Like the doom affliction can work well with Battle Rage to set up big spins when you couldn't otherwise
dapper bridge
My first run i didnt really understand it, but now it is just quite good
dapper bridge
how can you say no to that
turbid needle
Just gotta be careful to not be too weak against bosses LOL
dapper bridge
so much fun
gaunt quarry
The hammer upgrade that increases the radius and damage of the charged spin attack is especially good with Guan Yu
dapper bridge
Quick Spin just pushes it to 11
gaunt quarry
I had a game with both of those today...
dapper bridge
both. both is good.
stray frigate
i prefer charged special for GY
turbid needle
yes definitely
turbid needle
Going special with it is a solid choice too
Not every run's gonna give you that spin
dapper bridge
yeah it is a little rng dependant to an extent
gaunt quarry
Pretty much every kind of attack with Guan Yu is op
Compared to other weapons' damage
turbid needle
It's damage really slaps
gaunt quarry
But the charged spin is my favorite
oblique tusk
what're the bases?
turbid needle
I know special is like 50 that gets launched but doesn't come back
The rest I can't tell/verify
But it's a bit more damaging/slower
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@kind cloud glad you enjoyed it! i had to go or I would have been commenting earlier :)
it seems youre pretty new to Hydra skip!
it is a bug, but the cool kind
stray frigate
i also just now realised Satyr poison can stack too
stray frigate
yup big one just instantly stacked 7 on me
patent tiger
The poison in Styx makes using the Broken Spearpoint almost necessary to survive consistently
stray frigate
well not when it was nerfed
untold widget
@mint vortex uh... isnt that exactly what is there?
mint vortex
No?
untold widget
im pretty sure there are gouges on the floor... theyre red.
mint vortex
If there are gouges, then I need to verify my game files or something, because they don't show up for me. XD
mint vortex
I already deleted the feedback. I'll have to check in game when I get home.
untold widget
it can be easy to miss stuff in the heat of a run!
No worries
Honestly since i responded you had me thinking, cause there are 2 types of axes
the pressure plate kind and the timer kind
shell solar
The concept of this butterfly keepsake is neat until you get to the rooms with a billion butterflies and pairs of shield/archers
Then again those rooms ruin my experience no matter what my loadout lol
livid comet
rip
stray frigate
@shell solar well did u rly think u can clean all room without being hit?
shell solar
Not realistically no
it's still disappointing when you get tagged by the last enemy on the corner of a pillar
supple haven
Just dont get hit
livid comet
@shell solar I've found aph cast plus Demeter buff can shred through those rooms quite nicely
stray frigate
also in my expirience Spear guys are worst
kind cloud
my last 3 runs have all been artemis cast builds with the poseidon sword -- this build is pretty awesome.
but i'm still slow like a schmuck - took my 25-30 mins per run. dammit.
livid comet
Spear guys are indeed bad
shell solar
I agree, the spear dudes have the most unpredictable range/stagger/everything
livid comet
Until you have range
stray frigate
@livid comet RANGE??? I feel like their range are like archers
but they faster
and do much damage
and unpredictable
kind cloud
@untold widget
1.was that you run that was linked? it was great. showed me how awesome that build is.
2. i knew you could skip the first first of the hydra battle, i had no idea you could skip pretty much the entire battle with the main hydra head.
livid comet
their range is not that large, but they have a leaping attack
shell solar
Holly eff I take that back
shell solar
the sheild dude literally just meleed me through a big planter box thing
like wow that was garbage
stray frigate
@kind cloud this is classic build for Chaos shield
also i prefer Dio special instead of Ares
kind cloud
of the champoins in elysium, i dislike the spear guy the most because they have a very rapid attack and if you're surrounded by 4-5, they can grind down the health by swarming you
shell solar
Between them and the chariots I'm not a fan of elysium in general
kind cloud
@stray frigate
i'm confused, i was initially talking about the run that was linked above -- the run that was posted on the luis pires youtube account which showed the 8 minute run with the artemis cast build on poseidon sword.
shell solar
Not to mention they may have tweaked the mino (miniboss) tracking on his charge because he just zippity-zoop-zops around the pillars
kind cloud
btw, i have a question about the game's rgn algo
stray frigate
@kind cloud oh sry
untold widget
@kind cloud not mine! I wish, but im working on it :P
kind cloud
got it, thanks
stray frigate
i thought u talk about his latest pic
kind cloud
ah, i see
untold widget
that was a random pull off google images haha
kind cloud
btw, i have a question about the game's rgn algorithm
untold widget
yeah?
kind cloud
i notice that whenever i have a lot of health, say more than 350+ i get a lot more chariots (with armor) plus mini-exploding chariots
it seems to me that the game is trying to wear down the health
whenever i have less 325 or less heading into double boss fight, i don't see them as much if ever
untold widget
as far as i know thats just coincidence
untold widget
also god thats a lot of hp
kind cloud
is it?
kind cloud
i'm consistently walking into styx with around 300+ without cerberus keepsake
oh wait...
i usually take cerberus keepsake before elysium so my health is usually around 225-250ish when i complete asphodel
cerberus keepsake add 50 and i get 1-2 hearts in elysium
untold widget
you should try going for poms over hearts more
kind cloud
@untold widget
i've started to now that i've seen the artemis cast build
torpid abyss
But idk if playing on controller feels good enough
kind cloud
but when i'm on shield of chaos, i always opts for more health because i know the shield can block most everything and i can grind down all enemies including hades
livid comet
So I find that Guan yu makes Elysium significantly more bearable
livid comet
Also Athena dash is invaluable in elysium
kind cloud
because athena's deflect is much better because it's pretty fast
i also had athena's special and it's nowhere as effective
torpid abyss
Athena's attack is more reliable most of the time
kind cloud
*nowhere as effective as it once was on the sword special (pre-nerf of the sword instantaneous special)
torpid abyss
Most specials aren't as fast as to reflect stuff on demand
Bow special is the exception
That is if you are not using the lock on aspect
livid comet
Athena attack and dash, then grab her debuffs and deflect boost
torpid abyss
Which is also one of the best ones it has, so...
kind cloud
yeah, caution - do NOT take the charged special on bow - it completely ruins the chiron aspect of the bow...made a suggestion about it on the feedback channel
i learned the hard way this morning
had a build with 532 health and focused on bow special, the hammer upgrade ruins it
torpid abyss
How so?
kind cloud
give me a sec...
@torpid abyss
Ok. My post from the feedback channel.
"Charged Special on Hammer completely ruins Chiron aspect of bow (using attack to auto-target using special). My suggestion: Please keep Chiron aspect unaffected by hammer special. Now, hammer-aided special fires a spread pattern long distance but using attack to auto-target on bow is baaaaaaad because the special fires a shockingly limited distance after attack hits enemy . There was no warning on hammer that taking the charged special changes (re: ruins) the Chiron aspect. This is especially annoying given that I built my build around the bow special."
It currently has a 17 to 1 ratio on upvotes to downvotes so i guess many others agree. (I think the downvote is the one that automatically happens when you make a post.)
I don't suggest you experiment to find out. You WILL BE infuriated by what the hammer special upgrade does to the chiron. It completely ruins it. I'm not exaggerating.
torpid abyss
Man
That sucks
I thought about giving some feedback but idk if it's relevant to the game
kind cloud
So to clarify -- the upgrade is actually super useful but what it does to the chiron aspect is frankly repulsive. Again, if you want to see for yourself...go ahead. But odds are you'll be very annoyed when you see how it changes.
torpid abyss
I mean i haven't maxed Chiron yet
kind cloud
I hope so.
I completely understand. Supergiants' games have traditionally allowed for thousands upon thousands of combinations.
It would be very difficult for the small team to playtest and see all the combinations.
So it makes sense that the community would help out in that regard.
torpid abyss
Chances are we only have a glimpse of the combinations
torpid abyss
We could potentially get many more hammer upgrades and more hammers per run
kind cloud
@stray frigate
The Charged Special on bow is actually awesome. It's super useful.
normal pecan
trial of the gods poseidon vs athena who should i pick
kind cloud
But then for whatever reason, it interferes with the chiron aspect
stray frigate
@normal pecan weapon
kind cloud
Try it out. You'll see.
normal pecan
exagryph
kind cloud
The chiron aspect allows you to lock onto a target from across the other side of the map.
stray frigate
@kind cloud i just cant understand what did u say
normal pecan
crit focused build flurry fire + concentrated fire
normal pecan
so pick poseidon now, got it thanks
kind cloud
After taking the bow's charge special (hammer upgrade), the chrion range is drastically reduced (like it has the range of the sword's attack minus thurst) and the arrows don't bend correctly either.
shell solar
Big into how you can block, deflect, AND get hit by Hade's attacks
like the same singular attack
dapper bridge
Oh yeah the charged special totally guts the Chiron bow
stray frigate
so special has low range?
dapper bridge
I played with it when the update just came out
kind cloud
@stray frigate the charged special (hammer upgrade) gives you much bigger range than normal but chiron aspect (which allows for auto-target from bascially the other side of the room) is gone.
dapper bridge
It feels like a bug, I dont think they planned for it to work the way it does
stray frigate
well Chiron cant really hit SO far
kind cloud
it does for me
stray frigate
i played it rly lot like till 15 heat
kind cloud
i have used it to attack an enemy. gone around a wall and then used chiron and the arrows bend across the room
dapper bridge
It does feel like the range is much smaller when you take the charged special with chiron
its like they dont lock on as well
stray frigate
i dont use it anyway cus i mostly played stacking chiron
kind cloud
it is, i was so angry that i walked away from my computer, took a few minutes, came back, and experimented across elysium and styx
stray frigate
not damaging
kind cloud
the chiron aspect is completely fooked after charged special on bow
normal pecan
aight my first time against elysium boss wish me luck bois
stray frigate
i will test it later with skelly a bit
kind cloud
k
stray frigate
@normal pecan gl
kind cloud
@normal pecan good luck
dapper bridge
I remember I was doing great, and I saw the new special and thought it would be cool to try it, and then I stopped being able to hit the enemies reliably and lost
dapper bridge
Oh yeah kill Asterius as quickly as possible
kind cloud
@dapper bridge
yeah, i had to change my play style too...
dapper bridge
If you have a Call, save it for when Theseus gets past half health and blow him up
kind cloud
but it was too late to modify my build for hades
normal pecan
asterius dies first right?
stray frigate
and save ur call for 2nd phase if u have it
dapper bridge
Yeah asterius should be killed first
normal pecan
i have poseidon call
kind cloud
oof
normal pecan
eh it was what i could get
kind cloud
one of the worst calls to have
stray frigate
poseidon is not bad
kind cloud
you can use it to avoid damage in some key spots
dapper bridge
Better than nothing I suppose
blazing mulch
Ohh, Q&A tomorrow 😮
normal pecan
also heroic poseidon special so
dapper bridge
but the max call is much better than bursitng it I think
stray frigate
1st he makes u invulnerable
especially when i'm at work
blazing mulch
stray frigate
they will have Q&A
somber epoch
I don't like calls that take away player agency
somber epoch
Which is really just ares call and pos call
stray frigate
dapper bridge
I always miss these things
Feels bad gznm 😦
I don't think I have class when it's going on, so if you have a question you want to ask I can ask it for you @stray frigate
dapper bridge
Alright, well at least you can see the answers after the QA is done!
stray frigate
ok
dapper bridge
The Q&A is happening at 10am Pacific Standard time
stray frigate
so what time is it NOW for devs timeline
blazing mulch
11am
stray frigate
thursday?
stray frigate
so it's like.... 11 hours left?
blazing mulch
I guess it will be 9pm for you gznm
stray frigate
well
stray frigate
i should be at home this moment already
if i wont have troubles in the work
that's sound better
dapper bridge
Do you work night shifts?
stray frigate
no
dapper bridge
oh ok, then yeah you should be good
stray frigate
8am till 8 pm
dapper bridge
oh wow, a 12 hour job!
stray frigate
well i'm stupid old man without education who cant find any easy or short job
dapper bridge
Damn, idk what its like to live and work in Russia so I don't really have anything intelligent to say about the matter 😦
At least it pays the bills though?
And you will be able to tune into the QA
stray frigate
lets not speak about that. it's making me sad and it's not that channel
woeful stirrup
@silver rover All doors in a chamber show the same type of reward, it's the intended way. If it gave you the choice between darkness and a boon, you'd never have a reason to pick darkness and you'd end your run completely overpowered.
bitter igloo
Idk if this is the place to post it (it says feedback in the channel description), but a small bug I always encounter is when crossing the door to get to the final boss. Zagreus always seems to pass behind the door rather than through it. As in the light from outside and the door will be in front of him. Just got to this group so idk if this is a known issue, I had the problem before the patch too.
normal pecan
how good is ares call
bold salmon
So first 2 boons are both Epics, Demeters special with Artic blast on Chiron bow. Just need +4 special shots 
stray frigate
oh my 0 damage extreme T&M 13 heat
main citrus
My favorite calls are Ares, Artemis and Aphrodite so far.
stray frigate
Athena is good too
dense star
Yeah free invincibility period is nice
main citrus
I feel Ares is great because it makes you invulnerable while doing a lot of damage. NOt as much as Aph nuke tho :p
bold salmon
https://i.imgur.com/bKqLcgU.png This is gonna be fun 😏
bold salmon
Wut?
main citrus
I got a sub 30 run yesterday with the sword, good stuff. Sea Storm with double push and double hit on dash attack is hilarious.
kindred matrix
Why is gold not considered a blue circle?
turbid needle
Guys, maxing out the Aspect of poseidon on Stygius as a second maxed weapon is a good choice right?
stray frigate
@bold salmon Privileged Staatus
main citrus
I don't like Poseidon Aspect that much >>
kindred matrix
Agree
turbid needle
Yeah
main citrus
Really? :O
main citrus
Jesus christ
kindred matrix
Wait poseidon aspect
dense star
Atm it's likely the sword I'm gonna use most, but admittedly Poseidon sword is less sword stabbing, more cast spam
kindred matrix
Thought you meant poseidon boon
turbid needle
nono
main citrus
No, the sword aspect :p
dense star
I.e. you don't really use the sword much with Poseidon aspect relative to the others
turbid needle
Yeah you focus on auto aim cast
dense star
^
turbid needle
With the huntress god
kindred matrix
Is poseidon good thing poseidon demeter duo?
dense star
Use cast that's retrievable by the special, and spam it 
main citrus
Oh god, imagine that with the Hermes legendary boon 👀
kindred matrix
Or does demeter poseidon fall off instantly?
dense star
I've heard it's bad, their duo, haven't had it yet though
bold salmon
Is Swift Flourish good on bow?
main citrus
I only need three demeter duos to complete my prophecy. Also need her legendary boon, Athena's and Dio's
stray frigate
it rly works
dense star
I'm half convinced Athena legend doesn't exist 
bold salmon
Though my build is already all special
main citrus
It's very specific. I am going to use the wiki to check conditions lol
dense star
I am as well, just not getting lucky with it
main citrus
Oi, Legendary Hermes boon on Hera Aspect must feel so good.
latent marsh
Is there always a titan blood for 1.5k gold in the Styx shop? Been considering doing a few farm-only runs saving gold for a titans blood at the end
Like I think there is but I've not actually paid attention
stray frigate
@latent marsh sometimes its Diamond for 1000
latent marsh
Cool, I could always use a few more of them too still
I've gotten to Hades like 5x so far haven't beaten yet, I think I'm somewhere around low 30s in runs but I kind of thought titan blood was an unlimited resource from the first boss and spread out my upgrades super thin to unlock more playstyles lol
and I'd like to actually upgrade something before finishing the game once
stray frigate
@latent marsh dont forget broker
latent marsh
Ive just gotten into the habit my last half dozen or so runs to check there every time also
Im learning to keep a small stack of all the resources instead of just spending everything the second I have X of something
Darkness being the exception I guess cause I can just run to mirror and withdraw some need be
bold salmon
Welped i bragged about how fun my build was gonna be and picked up a Chaos boon that destroys my build until done and managed to not complete it before the boss...
livid comet
do we know which hammers are available for GY?
stray frigate
i almost sure there is no explosive special
and bouncing special
and vicious skewer
not sure about flurry jab
all other upgrades i already met
gray lodge
Does Eris Aspect dmg% stack with cluster bomb?
stray frigate
it stacks with everything iirc
turbid needle
Is there no escape?
bold salmon
Why does Support Fire say "After you hit" but doesnt do it for every Bow special hit?
bold salmon
Just saying, doesnt do what it says or needs to be worded differently yea.
dense star
Doesn't do it for blade rift casts either, understandibly so. Would be nice if the text was clear on that front, yeah
bold salmon
omg...
dense star
Define what a 'hit' is in that respect
grand idol
Boons and stuff are going to end up looking like magic the gathering cards.
dense star
Rules text is important
stray frigate
i do not like chain shot
when u wan to mark one target
and mark another
rly annoying
bold salmon
oh i didnt mean to click chain i meant to do the +4 special. I got chain cuz i got the blue heart thing and i have pos basic with rupture on it.
And hades stun locked me so i died...fun
bold salmon
Wut?
main citrus
I liked to use Triple shot + Cluster bomb with the Exagryph
livid comet
that looks pretty fun
main citrus
Dionysius in the attack for fast stacking, and Ares in the special for spreading Doom
I also had Hermes attack speed boon so it was a machine gun
next light
I don't understand the timing with fishing, do you pull when the message flashes immediately after dropping the lure? I always get a 'Too Early' message. Any time after that it's too late.
livid comet
nope
main citrus
Nope, you pull when the float sinks all the way down
livid comet
you wait for the little float to drop and a white flash comes up
lament coral
https://i.imgur.com/ss5cJx0.png
new fish!
main citrus
Oooh, nice
livid comet
you wanna hit RB ideally asap after the float sinks
bold salmon
Honestly dont like fishing.
lament coral
~stonewhal, stonewhal
swimming in the ocean, causing a commotion~
main citrus
It's a fun minigame for some extra gems, no harm in it :p
lament coral
seriously? I've never see it
main citrus
I need all the gems tho, some of the new projects are super expensive >>
livid comet
gems, keys and nectar
lament coral
POW
bold salmon
Just dont. 🤷
main citrus
150 👀
bold salmon
Not saying its bad per say. Just dont like it.
main citrus
It's fine.
livid comet
never look a gift horse in the mouth
lament coral
gift fish
stray frigate
gl guys time to rest
lament coral
rest in sleep
lament coral
and Chaos fish give blood/diamonds/ambrosia
desert robin
Yup
main citrus
Dayum
desert robin
I’ve only ever seen one spot tho
main citrus
I love Chaos, but there's one complain about him.
desert robin
So they’re kinda rare I think
main citrus
When I get the Light of Ixion in the intermission between Asphodel and Elysium, sometimes I have to ignore the portal because one of the first doors is a hammer lol
turbid needle
^
livid comet
more like
turbid needle
exactly that
livid comet
hammers are the rarest doors
main citrus
Hammers have a really high chance of appearing in the first Elysium set of doors tho
But only there.
lament coral
you're guaranteed 2 hammers over the run
and they'll keep coming back until you take em
main citrus
Wish they were a tad more common in shops 😔
lament coral
same with Hermes
main citrus
At least a chance at a third one in the last Charon shop in Styx
desert robin
Idk about that. I skipped my hammer in elysium recently and had to retool like 3 times in Styx for it lol
main citrus
Once I got a hammer as one of the Styx skull passages lmao
desert robin
I def could’ve gone without it with no rolls
main citrus
I liked Cluster Bomb more.
It is especially nasty in Temple of Styx, with the narrow areas.
ionic blade
cluster is nice too, but the small range makes hitting enemies harder, especially mobile bosses like the sisters or asterius
and in the temple, the triple shot means you hit basically the entire room with one wave
ionic blade
i also gott really lucky admittedly though, with the posiden 1.3X damage, and the 250 damage when enemies hit a wall
i cleared basically the entirety of styx wwith almost no damage
main citrus
Sea Storm is slowly becoming my favorite duo boon.
ionic blade
what's that one?
main citrus
Pushed enemies also get struck by lightning
main citrus
My first sub 30 run was a combo of Sea Storm + sword upgrade that lets dash attack hits twice.
I was doing ridiculous amounts of damage
ionic blade
I probably could've made that run sub 30, or close, but i decided to take all the buffs from all of styx for maximum Hades safety
It's only my third time I've beaten him
main citrus
oooh, still young. It was like, my 13th victory
ionic blade
Yep, indeed
desert robin
Going for all Styx rooms good idea anyways if ur run is good
livid comet
yeah
ionic blade
I was sooo close on my one before this, then fell at the last hurdle
livid comet
I always clear out styx if I can do it without any deaths or HP loss
I've got a 4 run streak atm
ionic blade
Dayumn
livid comet
all with GY >:)
main citrus
Whew son
livid comet
I actually think GY is the most reliable weapon
main citrus
I only got Guan Yu to Hades, but got defeated
livid comet
it only needs athena attack
main citrus
I like Achilles Aspect
livid comet
I don't have that yet
main citrus
Charged spin with Athena on Guan Yu?
desert robin
Guan yu is the only spear aspect I’ll play I hate spear otherwise
livid comet
it's a big deflect shield
main citrus
I like Spear, although I am not good with it.
livid comet
so you drop it, run away
ionic blade
I really love the shield
livid comet
Chaos shield was my no. 1
ionic blade
The invuln and pushing stuff around is so abuseable
livid comet
before GY
main citrus
My first successful run when I go up the Heat level is always Shield tho :p
livid comet
Well the thing is
main citrus
I am a minority that likes Zeus Shield >>
dense star
Chaos shield is so good & fun
livid comet
GY lets you do 4 heats for free
main citrus
The healing ones?
dense star
Yeah, 4 -heals
main citrus
Interesting.
livid comet
so it's a really quick way to farm up blood
and you're a glass cannon anyways, so you want to be avoiding damage
main citrus
The only pact I think I'll never be able to do is the timed one, because I am slooooow lol
limber pumice
holy, this run i have is so depressing
livid comet
by the time you get to styx, you should have like 120ish hp
limber pumice
i have a cast based build
desert robin
Ya I hate the timer lol
limber pumice
but problem is
naive talon
World Smasher with Chaos shield + Deflect attack is retarted strong 😂
limber pumice
i dont have any cast boon
desert robin
Makes it not fun for me
ionic blade
Wow, I cannot imagine a no healing run
limber pumice
i can never find anyu
livid comet
hm.
limber pumice
all the times i found one, it was a common one with a legendary boon up for grabs
main citrus
I think that after a while you get used to dodging.
livid comet
I prefer doom attack, deflect spec and merciful ending on chaos shield
desert robin
I love curse of longing I think is its name
main citrus
I feel Ares is a strange fella. His Call is one of the best ones, but the Blade Rift as a cast is awful for me lol
naive talon
that's a really good build too Dagger 😛
desert robin
Blade rift cast just needs a lot of investment to be good
main citrus
The one where Weakened enemies get hit with Doom? It's also nice.
main citrus
My favorite casts are probably Athena, Artemis and Demeter
dense star
Yeah Blade Rift wants more Ares boons, but if you get 'em they're great
ionic blade
Blade rifts are probably my favourite thing in the game
naive talon
I thought so too Ichirin, until I got vicious cycle and engulfing vortex XD
main citrus
I only did a Blade Rift run once, to get the duo boon with Artemis :P
dense star
Most notable ones are probably the Legendary & Hunting Blades
livid comet
@main citrus Have you tried... aphrodite?
ionic blade
I really wanna get Ares' legendaries, I've never gotten any yet
ionic blade
Admirable... but mistaken
livid comet
Aphrodite + demeter's snow burst = win
naive talon
I find myself almost never using calls
ionic blade
Demeter's call really sucks for me though tbh
livid comet
neither
main citrus
I mostly use calls on Hades >>
naive talon
except in high heat run if i need invul
desert robin
Calls are so good
ionic blade
I've tried it a few times and it seems so underwhelming, especially when compared to the likes of ares or posiden
main citrus
Some calls are just better than others.
livid comet
*few calls
livid comet
hard disagree
naive talon
That's also true, my favorite ones are ares and pos for the invul
main citrus
I don't like Poseidon call, too random
livid comet
pos call is bleh
ionic blade
Zues is eh
naive talon
Zeus is my least favorite call
desert robin
I love pos call
livid comet
zeus call is amazeballs for shredding bosses
naive talon
You need to be nearby for it to be usefull
dense star
Funny that I find poseidon & zeus to be my least favorites, yeah
ionic blade
Ares and posiden are best by far cause of the invuln
main citrus
Ares is consistent, and Artemis/Aphrodite good for boss nuking.
ionic blade
never actually gotten artemises before
naive talon
Ares call is probably the best
dense star
Guess on that note, what about Dio call?
main citrus
Dionysius is outright bad tho lol
livid comet
eh I find ares call doesn't do much damage
ionic blade
DIO!
naive talon
Invul + Shred boss
stray frigate
Athena call is better imo
desert robin
Any call where you have to go max on it I think is trash like aphro
stray frigate
Ares was nerfed hard
main citrus
Ares call just stays like forever
stray frigate
@livid comet u can make it longer
livid comet
poms?
stray frigate
yes
livid comet
yeah but I'd rather pom into my special or attack
which I can get off much more often
naive talon
Athena Legendary.... makes me shed a tear every time I see it
main citrus
Poms, Eurydice or Rare Crop
naive talon
just so good
dense star
I like Dio call since it applies a lot of status, but that's about it, yeah
desert robin
Idk I think calls are really good depending on which u get
main citrus
btw I LOVE Rare Crop
stray frigate
also riposte make Athena call extremely good vs Hades
ionic blade
Dio's is nice, but kinda useless against bosses
icy edge
Hades is completely immune to dmg when he's invisinle, right?
main citrus
Dio is really good for weapons that hit a lot.
desert robin
Ya
stray frigate
@icy edge yes
main citrus
It's one of my favorite gods for Zeus Shield special
livid comet
the problem with calls is that they usually help you win harder when you're winning and when you're not doing so good, they don't usually turn the tables
main citrus
It's just a vortex of poison
livid comet
so calls are a nogo for me 99% of the time
ionic blade
I do love the detail of hades' footsteps when he's invis
stray frigate
@main citrus for chaos shield it's even better
livid comet
was that a new addition? @ionic blade
toxic tusk
Sometimes you make some great runs, but I never imagined that Artemis and Aphro on Chaos shield would be this awesome
https://imgur.com/a/dnZ3Qpp
desert robin
Idk Zeus call has bailed me out of a couple crappy rooms
main citrus
Nope, he always does the steps.
desert robin
When my run wasn’t so good
ionic blade
sometimes it's footsteps, sometimes it's the sweep
main citrus
Also you can call what he's going to do by distance and the marks in the snow.
ionic blade
You know, I just had an idea
main citrus
If it's a line, he's gonna thrust the spear.
livid comet
yeah
ionic blade
When gods give duo boons, they have a chat
they should do that when you choose one over another
livid comet
trio boons?
main citrus
Gods bickering? I approve.
ionic blade
They boast to the other how you like them more or something
livid comet
an awesome threesome?
main citrus
It's extremely lore-friendly too, greek gods love to complain.
shell solar
The hades sweep is cool when he redirects where the little marker shows that it will go. Love that. Also how you can deflect it, block it, and still take damage lol
main citrus
It's why they are so cool. They are humanlike and imperfect.
ionic blade
Only inaccurate thing is Zeus would probably just instantly murder you with a bolt of lightning for rejecting his boon, rather than just summon dudes
shell solar
I don't think the gods can do that, even Zuess.
The olympians slayed the titans, they could mutiny I reckon
ionic blade
True
naive talon
Gods are a little more eccentric than that. Killing you is too easy.
livid comet
well the titans were outnumbered to be fair
shell solar
Yeah but they were Titans lol
livid comet
and Zagreus is a shade I'm pretty sure
shell solar
Monumentally powerful
main citrus
Gods like to toy with you to show their grand powers.
shell solar
Zag is a god, or demigod the child of two likewise yeah?
main citrus
"I could kill you with a snap of my fingers, but I'll leave you alive so you can live in constant fear of my powers and learn to never cross me again."
naive talon
You could argue that.
main citrus
They are so sassy :p
ionic blade
Yeah
naive talon
If he dies in Olympus and respawns in the house of Hades... that's a big setback Xd
livid comet
minor
main citrus
I approve the gratuitous amounts of sass in this game.
ionic blade
"Friendship ended with Zagreus - Now Cerberus is my best friend"
livid comet
takes 30 minutes to get out again
ionic blade
Then back 2 mins later
naive talon
lmao, ok granted
icy edge
Zeus and Ares calls scale extremely well because of so many of their boons interacting very directly with the thunderbolts and blade rifts
Compared to say... Aphrodite, whose call isn't complimented almost at all.
ionic blade
But yeah, them boasting about who you like better during a trial would be cool IMO
ionic blade
@icy edge I think that's because charmed is such a hard mechanic to balance
icy edge
Poseidon is a stict upgrade to athena imo
turbid needle
Zeus best call
patent tiger
I rather just use my companion if I want a huge burst of damage.
turbid needle
Poseidon call just made me body Hades btw.
ionic blade
Nah, it goes Posiden>Ares>Aphrodite>Zeus
livid comet
Honestly? If your god gauge carried over from encounter to encounter that would change the game for calls imo
turbid needle
That would be broken
ionic blade
That would be soooo broken
icy edge
Especially in styx
main citrus
Also, can't confirm myself but I thought I heard it, but does Hades giggle when he's charmed? lmao
turbid needle
The game is already really easy to get god gauge
tiny chasm
Barely used Poseidon's call, but his dash upgrade feels like a must have in Styx.
ionic blade
Although, i would kinda like it if it carried over to infernal troves
lament coral
imagine being able to start a boss fight with a full call
turbid needle
^
lament coral
that's 2500 damage from Aphrodite
icy edge
God's pride says hi
livid comet
you can already do that with proud bearing
ionic blade
Then you'd have to choose between using it in the fight, or saving it for the trove and finishing way faster
turbid needle
Zeus one burst with legendary lighting and chance to lighting double strike
turbid needle
I agree
icy edge
It's enough to wreck most things
livid comet
main citrus
Wonder if Sea Storm affects Poseidon's call
icy edge
Yes
main citrus
👀
lament coral
different calls have different amount of bars, too
livid comet
eh, I just find myself not using call at all
turbid needle
I met bouldy today
main citrus
God, I love this duo even more
dense star
Yeah calls already put in good work v. Bosses
main citrus
Bouldy! 
ionic blade
I assume it's hard-coded to be impossible to get at least 1 buff from every god yeah?
turbid needle
I had a cool duo, aprho and drunk god, more drunk stacks while enemy weakened