it's like erebus
#h1-builds-and-combat
stray frigate
bold bear
dusky drum
now that i think about it, i dont have posiedon or chaos trinket because i never use them
stray frigate
ok no more Hestia runs ever
dusky drum
what happened
i use hestia for rail and only hestia
eris is weird
and i dont care about more ammo
i think hestia is best for rail
stray frigate
i just keep missing and missing and missing
every elisium room is like eternity to end
stray frigate
ok back to eris i think
dapper bridge
thats my reasoning as well
I like playing rail and bow so i prefer the manual aiming
torpid abyss
It's satisfying specially to set up a special as enemies spawn
stray frigate
wait wait wait wait
kindred matrix
Same the only time I play pad is on stuff that requires 0 reaction time like jrpgs
dusky drum
am i the only one who plays hades with controller
torpid abyss
Yes
dusky drum
i get better reaction woth controller
dapper bridge
no theres a lot of people who play controller
dusky drum
and its easier to mash
jolly dirge
I mean, my partner plays with a controller. But probably.
torpid abyss
Your partner... In crime?????
dapper bridge
I think most of the SG devs use controller; I remember seeing a debate in one of the noclip documenaries
stray frigate
explain me this. I use Zeus trinket, start run and have Rare attack/Epic Cast/Rare dash. I surrender start it again with coin trinket and now have EPIC attack and common other boons
torpid abyss
Game is dumb
stray frigate
how the hell is god trinket decreased rarity?????
leaden pine
I use a controller
dusky drum
nice
thick sedge
most of the devs use controller yeah
and they recommend it
but I'm so used to keyboard
that controller feels terrible
dapper bridge
it just increases the chances for rare choices, doesnt make it guaranteed
just variance
kindred matrix
@stray frigate i would guess that they were supposed to be normal but the RNG for boons rolled then hogher
dusky drum
i use a switch controll;er too
torpid abyss
I'm worried tho
I have a ds4 controller
And lately it's been working weird
Like, funky
dusky drum
drift??
torpid abyss
Nah
dusky drum
sticky buttons??
torpid abyss
No, sometimes the input stops sending anything
versed ibex
I've got my trusty 360 controller. My friend left his XOne controller here but it keeps disconnecting so I don't trust it as much
torpid abyss
When it does it holds whatever direction i was doing
Playing Tekken became super hard cuz of it
leaden pine
I use a Wii U Pro
torpid abyss
Lmao
dusky drum
switch pro is great
leaden pine
I don’t care for the switch one as much
dapper bridge
sending it in for repairs is probably cheaper
thick sedge
haven't tried the switch pro
thick sedge
mostly because I pretty much use my switch exclusively in handheld mode
dusky drum
eww
torpid abyss
I don't like the switch pro
dusky drum
handheld
torpid abyss
The dpad isn't my type
torpid abyss
The only reason i use controller is for either dpad or twin stick
dapper bridge
I think I own 0 games that rely on the dpad, so its not much of an issue for me
obviously your mileage will vary
twin stick shooters are a lot of fun tho
dapper bridge
oih yeah i forgot about splatoon
I think ive played it exactly once at a friend's house
dusky drum
its fun
dusky drum
when people arent sweaty, hackers, or toxic its fun
torpid abyss
You can say that a lot of times
dusky drum
communities in general
dapper bridge
even for like TV shows and stuff i watch, a bad community can ruin it
dusky drum
yea
torpid abyss
Although idk why the bias towards marina despite pearl ALWAYS winning
dusky drum
actually
torpid abyss
Splatfests i meam
dusky drum
marina only won like 2 splatfests
torpid abyss
That's what i said
People say they like marina more than pearl
But she loses nearly every splatfest
torpid abyss
Because Marina always has the short stick on the choices
It's a literal cake or death scenario
Remember the toilet paper splatfest????
dusky drum
no
torpid abyss
Sec
pastel jolt
this is hades-gameplay not splatoon-gameplay
torpid abyss
I will draw Zagreus as an inkling and then merge both subjects
dapper bridge
thats some powerful fanart
quaint wind
Cant write in feedback ;A;
torpid abyss
Woomate
dapper bridge
we must get darren to do it
@quaint wind go into the #bot-commands and type ?rank Early Access
stray frigate
@quaint wind read pins there
quaint wind
Gotcha
quaint wind
Tanks
dapper bridge
np man
torpid abyss
Cool
I wanted to sya something about something that bothers me ingame
But idk if i'm being picky
finite grail
@pallid dagger I don’t think having it restore on kill would be good because then bosses would just be that much harder
dapper bridge
i mean if there was a place to say it, itd be here in #h1-builds-and-combat
pallid dagger
@finite grail the only bosses that don't come with a bunch of help mooks are theseus/asterius and tisiphone. besides, most bosses move around way too much to steal health from with the current build anyway.
finite grail
still doesn’t leave them out, and I disagree. Plenty of times I’ve been able to regen if you play it safe and time it right. Hydra and Hades don’t come with many either
torpid abyss
Ok so basically you know about fishing minigame
People say "it's hard to see" and all
finite grail
unless you count the green heads I guess
torpid abyss
But i found that you can double tap the button to accidentally lose the fish instantly
brazen sphinx
shiet
dusky drum
oh
woeful stirrup
@narrow raptor Given that there's only 5 rooms where you can up those keepsakes in Styx, I believe making that change would probably make them a bit OP, because it would make no actual difference in the percentage you get, while letting you pick a defensive or offensive keepsake.
dapper bridge
Heart rend is a lot fof un
hardy crow
Basically, aphrodite cast immediately applied Privileged Status because of Demeter's buff
Then I'd dash into melee range and triple shot crit them
torpid abyss
Yeah lol
hardy crow
The crits were dealing 999
torpid abyss
Aphro cast and demeter buff is straight up busted
hardy crow
I got either a double or a triple crit on Hades second phase
torpid abyss
And best part is, there's no way to nerf it
hardy crow
And immediately triggered phase shift
narrow raptor
i'm curious how much you can really get out of them from acts 1-3 though
hardy crow
Like, he did his laser move
I dashed behind him
Aphro cast -> triple shot
And he immediately was at 50% and invuln
woeful stirrup
Getting them to trigger 20-30 times is fairly common, I believe. So quite good damage/dodge
narrow raptor
maybe like… 30-40 encounters total acts 1-3? while prioritizing combat rooms over shop / npc / rest rooms?
hardy crow
I cleared hallway fights instantly too
narrow raptor
i guess with butterfly that goes up to +80% dps which is pretty excellent
turbid needle
Guys, shield of
Chaos is the best one right? Any tips?
narrow raptor
i just wonder if there's a way to balance it
hardy crow
It wasn't exactly a cast build, but I just happened to have high enough cast damage that I could dash in and cast-cast-cast oneshot everything
narrow raptor
like i'm almost never going to use them because it means i can't use lucky tooth or get the coins from hypnos's or choose my own boon
fluid moat
Try an Ares Curse build on shield special @turbid needle
Aphro on primary attack as the follow up
turbid needle
Alrighty
fluid moat
Or Athena
fluid moat
Yes
fluid moat
They buffed Athena call recently so it’s back to being an ace in the hole
dapper bridge
I think they made the deflection uptime longer?
turbid needle
yes
turbid needle
Its in hades patch notes
stray frigate
they nerfed it in 1st long winter update
turbid needle
channel
dapper bridge
yeah i saw it, just didnt remember
stray frigate
and buffed a little after that
fluid moat
But if you are looking for other tips, ares curse damage doesn’t receive buffs from sources that buff spec/attack damage so be aware you need to either get creative or clock in a number of POM upgrades
Yeah for Athena call they increased the duration of each stage and removed a stage or two
dapper bridge
thats a pretty nice change
fluid moat
The duration is now like above 2 seconds on epic roll
fluid moat
Yeah so the full cal didn’t get much but the individual steps are so good
dapper bridge
makes it nicer to just use a quick burst of it when you need to
instead of saving for the max charge like a lot of the other ones
fluid moat
Yessss
turbid needle
Is zeus nerfed in terms of appearance rate? XD I never find him anymore
fluid moat
No it’s just the seed and manips you rolled when you start a new run
dapper bridge
i dont think theyve touched god appearance rate since launch
they all have teh same chance of showing up as far as im aware
fluid moat
There are various ways to effect rooms and pickups based on the starting seed
dapper bridge
but only a certain number of them show up per run
turbid needle
I guess I just notice it cause I gotta give him nectare
dapper bridge
yeah that could be it
its easier to remember unfavourable outcomes more than favourable ones
its like a psychological thing
dapper bridge
gl man
turbid needle
Well she is defintely the hardest of the furiest
fleet vigil
What's up with the spawn rate of them in the tavern?
narrow raptor
oh interesting, i think i find tisiphone easier than meg
fleet vigil
I've been trying to gift meg for a year now and she's either in an event where she's ungiftable afterwards, or she isn't there at all.
narrow raptor
but maybe i've just had better runs when i find tisiphone
narrow raptor
just feel like the room resets are such a reliable breather
fleet vigil
Really think they should be giftable after events and not locked out.
dapper bridge
I agree
narrow raptor
like you can totally overextend when you know she's about to shrink the room
dapper bridge
you can post it in #hades-feedback if you feel storngly about it @fleet vigil
thats true actually
I think i just get caught up in the whip too often
try and play it greedy because of the long wind-up
narrow raptor
meg is easy to read too, but she has a little bit of everything in terms of close range, fast attacks, and long range
dapper bridge
and then she gets me
narrow raptor
so i feel like sometimes i have a setup that isn't as good for dodging certain attacks
yeah i find the whip way easier to dodge than the last boss's spin equivalent
dapper bridge
that spin is responsible for many failed runs
taking 100 damage from one hit really hurts ya
narrow raptor
shoutout to my 39 hp cursed slash run
dapper bridge
damn
narrow raptor
no i lost
narrow raptor
it was my first time ever fighting last boss and i was doing so well up until then
dapper bridge
yeah it gets so easy to get 1shot with low health like that
narrow raptor
because he does the aoe explosion thing for 35 damage when he changes phases
i was so heated
dapper bridge
oh yeah th shockwave with the urns
rugged estuary
Okay so I assume world smasher was better when it was automatic
fleet vigil
Feedback is locked for some reason.
dapper bridge
oh you have to go to #bot-commands and type ?rank Early Access to gain access to the #hades-feedback channel now @fleet vigil
make sure to reads the pinned message in #hades-feedback as well
fleet vigil
Yeah I got it now.
But also feedback in a non-change way. Its great this game lets you charm bosses.
TONS of games have CC skills that don't affect bosses in any way so you're just left feeling like half your skills are useless. But when I saw you could use aphrodite call on bosses too I was super excited.\
dapper bridge
thats a good point
most games which have charm-like affects have bosses be immune to them
fleet vigil
Most stuns as well.
naive tusk
Noone can resist the goddess of beauty 
dapper bridge
which honestly makes sense if you think about it
teal pelican
question - if i rank up plume/butterfly and then switch out the keepsake, do the bonuses persist? or am i committed to the same one for the run?
patent tiger
Dumb question. Is there any other boss (Besides the Final Boss) that will have a unique voice line in response to using a Greater Call? I ask because it is these minor detail things I enjoy seeing.
dapper bridge
@teal pelican no, you lose the bonuses
you kinda have to commit to them for the whole run
teal pelican
@dapper bridge thanks
teal pelican
ive done multiple runs of that, with switching, and it just occured to me that the bonus drops. feel stupid
🙂
dapper bridge
@patent tiger no other boss has unique lines for using greater call (as far as I'm aware of), but Zag has some unique voice lines for when you use a God's call after angering them in a "Trial of the gods" room
haha, yeah its a common mistake, Teleroth
patent tiger
I got to try that out if ever given the opportunity.
ornate sundial
Huh, I had encountered a weird thing which I don't know to be a bug or not — basiaclly backstabbing is defined as an attack that originates from the back hemicircle of the target, which can lead to (surprising) backstabs or lack of backstabs when you expect them (on weapons which have AOE trail). I can't send this with 
because that requeres multiple screenshots, but to illustrate my point: https://i.imgur.com/MKFTheL.jpg & https://i.imgur.com/823GOGC.jpg
dapper bridge
oh yeah, it surprised me the first time I found that out. I had to pause the game I was laughing so hard; caught me off guard! @patent tiger
green sable
wow
ornate sundial
The first one is treated like a backstab, while it seems like it should be a regular stab
The second one behaves like a regular stub, while it seems like it should be a backsatab (fireworks are passing behind the skelly, after all)
dapper bridge
woah that is weird
It ray traces from zag's location instead of where the weapon hits the target
this makes so much more sense now
naive tusk
Maybe it’s the angle from which you are throwing the spear ?
ornate sundial
IDK, it just feels a bit weird, that's why I'm not sure if it's a bug or not
green sable
that is wonky tho
dapper bridge
I've had a hard time gettig backstabs consistently since day 1 of playing HAdes, tbh
they made it a lot better pretty early on in development, but it still isnt perfect
green sable
i still think RNG bones me hard in this game lol
green sable
me its most of the time lol
rugged estuary
Haha, okay, this is good
I equipped the Zeus aspect of the shield for the first time, and was surprised Zeus didn't make a comment on it
and now Hades says "Doubtless Zeus doesn't even remember wielding it"
green sable
i didn't care for it but it sure was fun
fleet vigil
Hades is so much better than StS for RNG imo.
You can skill your way out of bad builds in hades.
Other games you get bad RNG your run is done without anything you can do about it 😮
rugged estuary
This was an odd one
@fleet vigil I disagree that you can't do this in Spire. It might not seem like it, but you totally can.
A spire stream I watch used to do contests where the viewers picked cards for the streamer with the intent of making him lose.
rugged estuary
And he still won, despite having chat spam terrible cards into his deck.
Depends on your other boons and what you could pick instead of more poms.
If you have other boons that gain more out of levels, obviously you should put levels in those.
green sable
ive never seen double strike...wow
turbid needle
Damage reduction? from bronze skin
rugged estuary
Similary, if you have a reward that you think might be more useful than the pom, pick that.
I don't know how bronze skin works, but at least level 2 is probably worth it, yes.
turbid needle
I am in styx atm, trying to buff myself as much as posible without losing too much ., have 3x deny death atm wanna keep it like that lol
green sable
i wonder where that double strike is...Zeus?
rugged estuary
@green sable I didn't know it could be leveled up before - it starts at 35%
Yes, Zeus.
green sable
thought so im doing Zeus boons for my rail on my new run right now
just got the main gun for it
called Lighting strike.
i guess id have to find more Zeus to get the rest
rugged estuary
yup
green sable
thought so no zeus yet just arti
fleet vigil
@rugged estuary The guy going for WR clears lost from not drawing when he needed to.
If the highest level can't beat out the draw, average players will more than often fall.
Hades on the other hand, you can always dodge and mitigate. Put 80+ into spire and only 30 into hades so far, but my time in each run has been more about the player and less about the RNG.
wild fiber
what do you guys think the best base casts are? Trying to go for some fun cast builds besides just hunting blades lol
green sable
sometimes this game is a pain in my Asopdel lol
fleet vigil
Athena maybe? The big gold homing aoe one.
turbid needle
Hermes or ice god as last pick?
fleet vigil
But the shotgun one for the most "fun" factor for me.
green sable
im using the rails shotgun mode atm
wild fiber
yeah the Aphrodite cast seems fun
fleet vigil
If you get a hermes dash upgrade its pretty crazy.
turbid needle
Oh yes, special 30% faster, hermes was a good pick X)
fleet vigil
Dash boom dash boom dash boom
wild fiber
how is Zeus' cast? Haven't messed around with it
turbid needle
Time for Hades, fingers crossed!
green sable
Hermes is always fun...my fav combo is Hermes triple dash with posideons dash powers 🙂
wild fiber
Poseidon's seems really strong to me
fleet vigil
I thought zeus was good when I first started..
turbid needle
Poseidon is great, until bosses
fleet vigil
But it has terrible secondary effects if you only hit 1 target 😦
It'll fly off to africa and you gotta try to find it
wild fiber
I thought zeus boons in general were really good when I first started
but not lightning kinda feels like a low tier affect to me, idk
green sable
i need better dmg numbers i notice the dmg kind of tapers off when you have to drill through like 2 or 3 life bars of BS lol
Dmg is fine till Asph then the dmg really starts to go south imo
wild fiber
also I've only gotten 3 wins so far so still pretty early, but what weapon aspects should I prioritize?
novel python
How do you deal with the lack of AoE on Chiron?
fleet vigil
Get doom on special
wild fiber
I've been going Chiron Bow and Chaos Shield atm
fleet vigil
Then use untargeted chiron, mixed with targeted
wild fiber
Chiron Bow seems crazy strong with Weak on the attack, and Hangover on the special
fleet vigil
Casts are rather strong so i'd say poiseidon sword, guan yu spear
wild fiber
get the duo boon and you are stacking hangover like no one's business
fleet vigil
Chiron or the cast one are both good.
wild fiber
The bow is def my fav weapon to use
novel python
Hera is nice too.
fleet vigil
Targeting festive fog is fun
rugged estuary
@wild fiber Dionysus cast has a ton of different synergies now. It has a duo with zeus and a duo with demeter, and can up their damage with dio legendary
novel python
Or be like me and get Black out mid tartarus with Dio attack on Spread Fire Eris rail
wild fiber
that's a good point
novel python
Shoot and laugh
wild fiber
I got my first win with the dio x zeus boon
duo boons in general to me seem like what you want to plan your build around
green sable
i still think the dmg is kind of meh
fleet vigil
I kinda wish there was a place to see the synergies..but I also kinda like finding them randomly.
sly lake
why does +50% dmg from boiling blood actually only do like 30%? testing vs skelly its never 50% more damage
novel python
@rugged estuary You can get Dio X Zeus, Dio X Dem, Dem X Zeus
All three on cast only
rugged estuary
@sly lake Because it's additive.
sly lake
@rugged estuary I see, ty
rugged estuary
@novel python Yup, I know. Have been trying to get that combo, but so far only ever managed to get 2 out of 3.
turbid needle
GOT EM GUYS
novel python
I have the dark thirst on the bow, I guess I'll start with Dio again
k
Do we know which prereqs Dem duos have?
I mean has the wiki been updated?
fleet vigil
There's prereqs? 😮
I thought it was random as long as you had something from both
Like suddenly the god will just say something about another in the intro and boom there ya go
novel python
@fleet vigil Check the wiki
wild fiber
what are some good heat levels to start out with?
novel python
You need to have some specific boons
As in don't expect to get Scintillating Feast without Dio cast
fleet vigil
@wild fiber money and health reduction are easiest I find
But also more enemies can be fine as well if you have a build going
novel python
Nah, Forced overtime.
wild fiber
yeah the 9 min timer doesn't seem too too bad
novel python
It's 9 min per biome.
wild fiber
yup
fleet vigil
....WAT
novel python
Also clock stops when you're talking to someone / take boons
fleet vigil
I thought it was like an expert category lol..and was like NOPE.
rugged estuary
@novel python From what I can see it's a pretty simple system - Prereqs are just the boon it synergises with in the case of a specific boon (like festive fog), or a basic boon from that god otherwise (attack, special, dash, or call)
turbid needle
Is there fish in the end? where youfight Hades, I did found fish in the realm of chaos. Gave me blood of the titans!
novel python
The one in chaos is very rare indeed
turbid needle
Yeah and amazing 😄
novel python
Wait forced overtime now adds 3 heat for each rank?
God that's nuts!
Easy heat sink
rugged estuary
I really like that change tbh
because forced overtime is super rough
also, not that each rank now gives more speed than before
overall still better than before, just something to note
but yeah, monster speed is really hard to deal with for me
novel python
Tbh I do play with it maxed
Barely can feel it on shield
But it might be rough on bow
Let's see
rugged estuary
Definitely have been feeling it on bow every time I tried
haven't played shield much
novel python
I have maxed overtime, 2 extreme measures and 1 hard labor
That already adds up to 10 heat
Yesterday on my 12 heat shield run I found ex hydra easier than normal hydra
The room is smaller so you can hit multiple heads at once with ease
I'm also a doozy so I'm playing battie instead of shady
hollow sorrel
Maxed forced overtime is easy heat, for everything except the bull charge, final boss spin attack, and large/small chariots
novel python
Aaaand dio gives me common cast
I feel like goin berzerk
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/672141462183608351/unknown.png uuuuugh Perfect catch, never seen this fish
rugged estuary
@hollow sorrel I dunno, I could not handle it at all. Maybe I'm just slow on reactions, but I could not deal with faster monsters. Louts destroyed me, spreaders spammed the whole arena with their projectiles....
Oh wow.
How do you do a perfect catch? Is it a "skill" thing or just luck?
rugged estuary
Huh, interesting.
novel python
It's reaction speed
green sable
finally freed Siph...finally.
hollow sorrel
On max enemy speed, you have to dash a lot. Like a lot a lot
novel python
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/672143710988795934/unknown.png And another one in the shop!
full flame
wait, the fish you get is determined by reaction speed? i thought it was just an rng thing lol
native ether
so to be fair to Tight Deadline
clearing Elysium in even 9 minutes can be a challenge
its much harder in 7 minutes
and it can also be a challenge in Styx depending on your RNG with the wings
green sable
i just discovered dino's cast....and its beautiful...like chucking booze grenades
green sable
i didn't know there was a perfect catch lol
im really like dino's poison stuff i might make a whole build around it and see what i get
hollow sorrel
Elysium tight deadline 7:00 minutes needs to be re-evaluated. Getting Minotaur instead of Soul Catcher is bad RNG because the minotaur’s HP is so much higher. Trial of the Gods is bad RNG because some of them have too much HP. Getting or not getting a Thanatos room is bad RNG because it’s a room that stops the timer. Getting a room where the small chariots spawn in “endless waves” is bad RNG because instead of having a few waves, you’re stuck waiting for everything to spawn over time which takes way more time
twin epoch
hey guys. i'm stuck with skelly. is there any other prerequisites than giving him nectars? i killed him (with the lvl 5 zagreusian stygian blade) and nothing. https://imgur.com/a/WAqwq7S
green sable
as they told me...get better ❤️
i got told you have to get his prizes
its in the props
but im not sure how to get any of that
kindred matrix
What does gtbe stand for?
naive tusk
The spoilers~
kindred matrix
Some person in feedback posted gtbe and im like wtf
green sable
i don't even know what that is
kindred matrix
@pallid dagger what does gtbe stand for
naive tusk
Good to be E
kindred matrix
E?
naive tusk
Idk what E stands for
hollow sorrel
I don’t understand the confusion. You throw the spear, then you bull rush to where the spear landed
naive tusk
Let’s wait for the man to appear and clarify
I think we should tell him he has the option to not teleport to the spear when pressing the attack button on the 2nd time
I do that when the spear lands in an unwanted place
novel python
101/295 hp left, 1 DD, I feel that getting 2 dds from Patro is the best call here?
kindred matrix
What heat
kindred matrix
Do you have extreme measures 3?
kindred matrix
DD imo
Since heroes is easy
And you can do it without damage if you got the pattern down
novel python
maxed overtime, 1 point in hard labor
3 dashes, trippy shot rare, praying for dem or zeus duo
or both for that matter
pallid dagger
@kindred matrix "Great Taste, Bad Execution". May not be the exact acronym you see from one day to the next.
regal pecan
Hi I've a question about the heat challenge rooms, the one where you have to not take any hits. Are they actually worth going into most of the time?
regal pecan
because often the next room might have something that i want more. Do the challenge rooms count as a room in the whole act?
assuming i get the reward
like if the next room has a daedalus
do they count towards the number of rooms you can go through before facing boss?
pallid dagger
i don't usually do heat challenge rooms
green sable
ive never done them..
pallid dagger
i kind of wish there were a wider variety of challenges to them than "don't get hit"
frozen bronze
when you take lethal damage, which one takes precedence for second chance, lucky tooth or the passive upgrade?
pallid dagger
the passive upgrade.
frozen bronze
so keep the tooth still if you used one second chance?
pallid dagger
yeah. even if you use up the lucky tooth one, you can still restore it with a kiss of styx or patroclus' help
frozen bronze
ah, thanks!
kindred matrix
Nice
kindred matrix
Pray for zeus legendary too
novel python
Did they patch theseus killing himself in 2nd phase with jolt applied to him
slender basin
New Cursed Blade with a few Athena boons is a bit OP. Especially her Call. Every maxed call is basically a full heal
narrow raptor
i love cursed blade, i almost wish it were an aspect like guan yu's
green sable
i just made my trippy shot heroic lol
narrow raptor
hey does nemesis stack with other artemis crit chance stuff additively?
novel python
Guys? I found out where our casts are going, I think.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/672152077727825935/unknown.png saw them when they dropped.
green sable
neat
novel python
I reported it via F10 but I thought that yall might want to know
Maybe it's the same in the Hades fight too.
limber pumice
how does that happen
fallow niche
@pastel jolt Can the charged shot hammer upgrade be used on the Chiron bow?
It looks like it can't
pastel jolt
charged volley?
fallow niche
Yeah
pastel jolt
yes but i wouldn't recommend it
fallow niche
oh lmao rip
all the charged hammers are terrible then
I wonder if they're there to dilute the pool or not
green sable
probly
snow tangle
lament coral
what? Charged spear is terrific
novel python
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/672156895393349642/unknown.png and yeaaaaaaah I think I found out where the casts dissapear in Hades fights.
novel python
We might have thrown them out of bounds by mistake.
green sable
oopsie
novel python
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/672157547859542061/unknown.png this time you can actually see them being out of bounds so you can not get to them.
full flame
They end up in a lot of different places out of bounds
novel python
Yep, that's just the place that I was testing
molten stone
Trying out different things, and I don't think I'll ever be able to recreate this one. This was so freaking broken. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/648376798861721623/672157846107848714/unknown.png
naive tusk
That’s not a bow. That’s a bazooka
molten stone
Had Aphro on the special too, so I could get the extra debuff bonus damage.
Certainly made for my fastest run yet.
novel python
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/672160462619541535/unknown.png I'm sad, no attack 😦 Should I just take the dash and call it a day here? Eris aspect.
green sable
Trippy shot is what i used last time
i might take it this time to
i just got the hera aspect for the bow
novel python
I'm not on bow
That's the only thing
And I'd prefer something like artemis
So I don't have to aim
green sable
oh i know im trying to win with the bow i got 4 titans blood so i bought some aspects
earnest delta
how do i type in feedback?
dire mason
Check the pins there 👍
green sable
i didn't upgrade any this time around i bought aspects to fill out the check list.
❤️
earnest delta
Thank you! @dire mason
turbid needle
Guys, is there more input delay on borderless windowed mode?
novel python
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/672162936948523031/unknown.png Hazard Bomb would make Eris unusable, so I want some advices, which one of the other two are better?
I feel like flurry might be better but idk
solid cairn
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392070250511728653/672163172500766735/unknown.png First 8 heat run and also level 8 athena attack because why not
novel python
I might be blind, no exposed?
radiant basin
tfw show up at styx charon with 4k gold
solid cairn
god of the dead music track worth the diamonds
woeful stirrup
If you've bought every other diamond thing, sure. It's not like there's other stuff to get.
green sable
not atm
woeful stirrup
I've got a preference for the instrumental versions of the songs, though. Oh, and Than's theme is pretty good.
graceful vault
Every time I'm fighting the Hydra with the audio playing over speakers my wife compliments the game on it's soundtrack
So she'd agree with you XD
solid cairn
it sounds kind of like Sacrifical from Binding of Isaac
turbid needle
New time record! 24:03:99, I had 50 seconds left else I lost cause of the heat 😛
Whats your fastest times?
earnest delta
nothing very impressive for me
altho i did instantly get a 4 win streak yesterday after the mirror restriction hell mode got a lot easier
that's.. not english im bad
fallow niche
Need some punctuation is all :v
woeful stirrup
@turbid needle The time limit doesn't actually kill you, it just makes you lose health until you die.
turbid needle
Oh
good to know
thanks
14 mins is crazy
oh 12:
36 lol
That's even better. I gotta step it up 😛
green sable
haha
wild fiber
what are some good cast builds to go with on the Poseidon sword?
solid cairn
artemis
jolly dirge
Artemis
fleet vigil
Anything
wild fiber
any others? Lmfao
wild fiber
If I go Artemis cast any boons worth picking up from other gods?
maybe the Artemis Aphro boon
untold widget
hermes flurry cast
wild fiber
fair lmao
untold widget
demeter cast thing
fleet vigil
I just did one with festive fog and rapid fire. The damage itself was enough to carry even without special synergy outside of dmg buff.
wild fiber
I only have level one aspect so we just doing 10% more damage 😔
untold widget
all the core is artemis tho
wild fiber
Only have 3 wins under my belt
untold widget
thats the start :)
jolly dirge
You can do it!
wild fiber
honestly the god keepsakes seem like the best to me most of the time
green sable
ive got 2 or 3 tops
hardy crow
I prefer Aphrodite cast for Aspect of Poseidon
fluid moat
For Artemis cast you could go for the Athena Artemis duo if you are looking at other deities
hardy crow
Aphrodite cast + Demeter chill on cast boon is a instant privileged status
solid cairn
athena attack on guan yu is so good
tiny portal
Where can I find info on deity boons/upgrades/etc. Any centralized website/fansite/location?
fluid moat
If you google hades game wiki
It should show up, that’s a good place to start
Usually takes a bit after a patch launches for things to be fully updated
solid cairn
fluid moat
After you get a good feel for the general scope of how stuff works, the patch notes are your friend
novel python
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/672174499419914265/unknown.png Ok, thanks Dem
novel python
I'll be honest with yall, that call is broken.
pine otter
i think it's rather cool
green sable
ive never seen that legendary
muted needle
That's Demeter's and it's awesome
pine otter
i hope they change demeter cast it's just isn't useful
novel python
Or the one bottom left from explo fire?
fallow niche
@wild fiber Pure Artemis and Aphrodite + Demeter are the best cast builds for Poseidon Sword
muted needle
Explosive Fire yeah
novel python
Ah yeah it's explo
fallow niche
Though anything is viable on it im going to be honest @wild fiber
muted needle
I'm pretty good at knowing the icons tbh but that one threw me for a loop
fallow niche
Going to test some other cast builds on it soon
novel python
@fallow niche how's aphro + dem worth for a cast build
woeful stirrup
Wait, what's "made friends along the way"? Do you need to see all three NPCs?
fallow niche
Aphro cast and demeter chill + damage on cast boon @novel python
novel python
Not sure tbh
fallow niche
its a crapton of damage
novel python
Tried that with arte
Tbh
And with Athena call
2nd phase of Hades I just pressed F
And stood melee range spamming casts
fallow niche
Demeter chill on cast is best with aphrodite cast because of the fact that their range is nearly identical
And Aphrodite Cast does a TON of damage
It smacks like a truck
novel python
Try to get that with dual shot 👀
muted needle
If it hits (which it doesnt for me because I have abysmal aim)
novel python
Dual shot aphro cast with 6-7 cast stones
fallow niche
Also important to note is that just those two boons = privileged status
which is insane
You can have a game ending build by room 3
muted needle
I had to take the returning bloodstone legendary because I was so bad at aiming lol
fallow niche
I personally think that should just be a part of casts
They get stuck out of bounds all the time
Its super annoying
Aphro casts go through walls
Artemis ones disappear
muted needle
Mirror upgrade?? Bloodstones return in 10, 8, 6, 4, 2 seconds? Perhaps
I'd be down with that
woeful stirrup
Functionalities should not be put in just because of glitches.
novel python
@fallow niche they don't dissapear. They just go out of bounds
Checked with and without hera bow
both can go out of bounds
Goddamn forgot to save one screenshot
muted needle
They can freak out and disappear on Hades P2 transitions from time to time
novel python
brb let me check my hades folder
woeful stirrup
Fixing casts going out of bounds is much better than making returning bloodstone part of your basic kit.
muted needle
But that's honestly not often
lament coral
you basically want Recall?
muted needle
I agree checking the bounds for the maps is best case scenario, but I still wouldn't mind an improvement to bloodstone return time without being restricted to hoping for the ONE (1) legendary boon that allows that functionality
novel python
I am
muted needle
@novel python Prog Files > Steam > userdata > numbers > more numbers > remote >numbers > screenshots for me
novel python
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/672181635747151882/unknown.png I have no idea what exactly to pick here, since all of them are useless for me atm
novel python
You know that moment when the only boon you have by the end of tartarus is your cast?
... And you're using Poseidon Sword with 5 poms put in an Aphro cast buffed by chaos?
Let the Furies cry.
turbid needle
hehe
novel python
hitting roughly 500 damage per cast
dense star
Nice
novel python
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/672183087072804874/unknown.png IT'S BEEN ABOUT GODDAMN TIME
naive tusk
Does anyone know if Concentrated Fire hammer upgrade is affected by dashing? I can’t test it myself this run because I have Pressure Points + Drunken Strike and both make it hard to check numbers
It says that Attacks deal +1 damage for each uninterrupted hit to a foe but I don’t know if dashing counts as an interruption
ornate sundial
@naive tusk AFAICT it's not an interruption - I've dashed mid-fire and it kept going up
naive tusk
Ooh, thanks! 😊
pallid dagger
man
naive tusk
I will keep happy triggering as I dash away lol
pallid dagger
usually i ignore the railgun aspects that aren't zagreus' because 12 ammo is so limiting
but hestia + deadly strike is goddamn homicide
i'm getting off 500+ damage 1/4 way through tartarus
novel python
The bullet needs to connect to the enemy for it to count down else it resets @naive tusk
crystal cedar
Can someone tell me what's with the prophecy stuff? Like on my boons. Where can I see what this is/does?
pallid dagger
@crystal cedar the prophecies are a list of rewards you can get for doing stuff
naive tusk
Gotcha, hit same enemy to make it count 👌🏼
pallid dagger
for example, you'll get 90 gems for getting all of a certain god's boons
novel python
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/672184811162566656/unknown.png @fallow niche since you've done this build before, what do you suggest I should do here? Could use some suggestions for gods to use / keepsakes to pick
pallid dagger
if you buy the list, you'll be able to check on them and how far along you are in your room
novel python
You need to buy it from the contractor
naive tusk
Near the Mirror in Zagreus room
fallow niche
Demeter decay boon and artemis cast-related boons @novel python
naive tusk
Once you but it
novel python
Decay?
fallow niche
The one that does damage over time and another effect to all enemies if they're chilled
fallow niche
Demeter's ult is also relevant
Which I think that boon is necessary in order to get too
But yeah artemis boons from here most I would presume
You only really need the cast + chill two boons at the start
fallow niche
Instadelete
novel python
Legendary as in arte's legendary
I already have 60% cast damage from Chaos
Not the one I was hoping but still ayyyy
Now if my aim succs hard at least I don't have to run around to gather my casts
green sable
i wish i could of found that greater recall in my last run 😦
fleet vigil
@static token there's no downside
So you're getting a free buff and since you're a new player it won't be guaranteed to be her every time anyways.
abstract pilot
well, if you don't want your first boon to be aphrodite then it is a downside?
anyway, there's no way to have no keepsake once you equip one, but you'll be able to get another soon and use that instead if you want
static token
@abstract pilot exactly
woeful stirrup
You can unequip it if you equip any other keepsake. So you gotta unlock them. Should have thought about it when the game actually told you to give nectar to someone in the house first 😛
dusky hull
narrow raptor
ha it is a fair point though, maybe should drop in feedback that you can't unequip keepsakes
narrow raptor
but — 99.99% of players would never actually want to unequip so maybe not worth it
dusky hull
@narrow raptor , I wrote about it once myself actually, but not much people liked the idea of it for some reason.
novel python
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/672190280153432081/unknown.png I can agree that I have played this really badly
I didn't even need to use my special, I was 1shotting everything apart from bosses
or 2shotting, first to get rid of armor, the other to kill them
naive tusk
I don’t remember who was asking but Hangover can be critical. Just saw a 5-stack hangover that normally deals 30 damage do critical damage into 90!
novel python
That's Pressure Points for ya, mate.
naive tusk
🥰
hardy crow
PP is literally all damage afaik
I don't think any instance of damage is exempt
Well, okay, maybe the Chaos self damage
open kettle
Final boss phase 2
Is really Hard
I'm starting to consistently get there
But the laser attack just melted me
solid cairn
Try it with guan yu
woeful stirrup
Have you tried dodging the lasers?
- Hypnos
solid cairn
Twice I have gotten there with all my health, death defiances, and Skelly’s keepsake
Have you spent the 5 Titan blood you can get
solid cairn
Ok if you grind keys then buy all the weapons and beat the first boss with each
You’ll get 1 blood per
solid cairn
Also you will be able to buy aspect
open kettle
And not trying anything else
solid cairn
Hold up are you on a new save file or just new to the game
open kettle
New to the game
solid cairn
The aspects you unlock are better than the base sword
woeful stirrup
You should buy all weapons. More variety makes things interesting. If you only play with sword, you're gonna get bored eventually.
open kettle
And what is an aspect
solid cairn
Basically a variant of a weapon
For example zag sword only gives extra movement and dash speed
But nemesis gives you increased critical chance for a little after you special
You can level them up to 5 times
open kettle
Did you use an aspect when you beat the game for the first time?
solid cairn
Each weapon has 3 including the base variant except for the spear which has 4 types
Yes
lament coral
Zagreus shield, maxed out
solid cairn
Base sword kind of sucks
open kettle
Do ppl typically kill him first with a the sword?
unborn trellis
First full clear is not intended to be with an aspect.
stray frigate
my 1st was with Zag rail
unborn trellis
Because you can only get 5 blood before clearing
solid cairn
Before the first clear
Max zag shield is actually a pretty interest way to spend the first 5
stray frigate
actually i did my 1st with Hunting blades
lament coral
5 blood is enough to max out any Zag aspect
solid cairn
I never thought of that
stray frigate
but whatever
open kettle
Hunting blades?
lament coral
and Zag shield is the easiest win you can get
solid cairn
I would go with 1 Hera 1 Poseidon and 1 of whatever
stray frigate
@open kettle ares and artremida duo
open kettle
Am I playing the game harder then I normally should be?
solid cairn
Yes and no
open kettle
Or do I suck
lament coral
how would we know?
stray frigate
@open kettle more run u make stronger u become
open kettle
Is 20 runs to slow?
solid cairn
Doesn’t matter bro
lament coral
everyone plays differently
solid cairn
I know people who have done it in less than 5 or way more than you
lament coral
there was a dude here yesterday who said it took him 3 hours to beat Meg
open kettle
Okay
solid cairn
Ok just get some keys
stray frigate
Zag basic spear is strong as i heard
solid cairn
How many keys do you have
stray frigate
one guy beat 32 with it
patent tiger
The Zag Spear helped me to my first victory
stray frigate
mirror and weapon
solid cairn
They’re room rewards
You can spend it on either
If you spent them on mirror that’s fine
solid cairn
Aight
open kettle
How do I see aspects?
stray frigate
u unlock all weapon and make 1 run
stray frigate
@open kettle how many weapon do u see now?)
stray frigate
so only 4
open kettle
The special is waaay better
solid cairn
Spear good
open kettle
Than the sword
solid cairn
How many keys now?
open kettle
1
naive tusk
Support Fire boon with railgun is so funny 
stray frigate
like +100% damage
open kettle
Is the spear
Basically a better sword?
It feels waaaay better to play
I hate the base swords social
Special
lament coral
I used to hate the bow but its non-default aspects grew on me
sword though, sword is a no
naive tusk
Weapons have different moves to suit anyone’s playstyle
lament coral
simply having to go into melee range against certain enemies makes it worse
stray frigate
Basic aspect not so bad too
naive tusk
I had Demeter’s chill attack on sword and it made my life easier. Athena’s dash helps as well
broken cipher
Sword is great~ I've had an incredibly broken run with it today. Nemesis + Artemis (Pressure Points and Hunter's Mark) makes it so much faster to clear... everything. Then with Demeter, Zeus, and Athena on top of that for some Privileged Status procs and extra damaging methods (Demeter Dash, Zeus Special + shock, Athena deflect, Duo boons on top of that) it was a very good time. Hermes for extra move speed and dash recovery. Plus that new backstab upgrade hammer and the dual dash attack one.
grand idol
Yo, the demeter ice crystal cast is pretty nice now. It's still a bit boring, but I like the increased tracking speed.
It's not great for fast enemies though.
broken cipher
I have to say though. Springing an Artemis call only for a boss to hit invulnerable right before it connects is painful. Every single time.
hardy ginkgo
damn work firewall blocks all gaming stuff so cant even look up hades boons to make sure i get my feedback right lol
lament coral
I initially though that it only affects movement and turn speed but it actually affects all attacks, too
hardy ginkgo
seemed like my hera bow was not activating cast boons properly
lament coral
for example, the mini-boss stone from Asphodel that creates a big wave on fall?
it's slowed by chill, too
last dawn
Oof, so the pots that the final boss spawns must be considered traps? They hit me for 150 damage in heat 32
hardy ginkgo
yeah i dont believe any of the bosses have healing drops anymore by default
lament coral
may I interest you in some Athena foot?
hardy ginkgo
since the hydra ate theirs lol
lament coral
90% trap resistance
last dawn
x.x I should've picked that up, I just have a hard enough time keeping my core boons with having to sac one each level
lament coral
ah, you're on normal?
last dawn
Yeah normal, just trying to get that one 32 heat run in xD
lament coral
understandable. Keep your eye out on the foot. I, too, learned that painful lesson after a few vases to the face.
mind your dashes near em, too
last dawn
Haha yeah, I went a little crazy that run...my hermes dash got upgraded to heroic so I had 2+4 dashes >.>
leaden pine
