I talked him a lot, but it didn't work until now.
#h1-builds-and-combat
olive sand
Cool though.
I didn't thought there would be hidden aspect. Is it the same for all weapons?
thorny edge
you needed a few aspects unlocked before the achilles conversation would happen
stray frigate
played all run without big troubles
dusky drum
i hope they add more like guan yu, where its a different mythology
dusky drum
i wonder what might happen when the game is complete and you go to the surface with the weapon
cuz right now it isnt much
blazing mulch
@burnt wagon Tak , ten bonus sprawia ze zadajesz wiecej obrażeń z umiejętności Posejdona Bossom. Języki poza angielskim są do tylu z tłumaczeniem, nie mówiąc, ze tłumaczenie gry **zaczęło **się jedną aktualizacje wcześniej.
stray frigate
btw this aspect can help us with timeline
onyx kestrel
not really?
stray frigate
looks like this weapon soon enough will be carried by Guan yu
so if we know(and we know) his years
it's kinda near 0 year
100 before or 100 after
i dont remeber
so kinda 2000 years from us
onyx kestrel
is the chill burst good on gun 🤔
stray frigate
afaik it has good scales
almost same as Aphro
well
that was unexpectingly easy
Daily remind - Shield is OP
Athena dash is op too
river garden
Do little rooms in Styx count towards Encounters with Demeter's boon reset?
stoic crest
yup
river garden
Nice
stoic crest
the little rooms count as encounters for all intents and purposes
river garden
Not for butterfly they don't
stoic crest
butterfly?
river garden
Keepsake which gives you damage each time you clear room without taking damage
stray frigate
and it doesnt work for Hermes Trinket too
livid comet
It doesn't work for chaos boons either
river garden
Its annoying that they work or do not work
livid comet
Ooh oop you mean the reward rooms in the Styx nvm
river garden
What about consistency
I mean its understandable since they are little rooms with no rewards
But for items they do count as rooms, depleting their uses
For trinkets they don't work
livid comet
which rooms? the first one in the Styx where its just a door?
livid comet
Oh, on route to the reward!
river garden
So it doesn't work for Demeter's boon?
livid comet
I see
livid comet
yeah, I would classify the whole thing as one encounter
stray frigate
as far as it works for Chaos curses
livid comet
it also works for well of Charon buffs
stray frigate
yup it is
timber temple
Huh, I didn’t think about that
lament coral
@fallow niche thanks for the advice. Hera with fog was piss easy
alpine ivy
how does dire misfortune work?
stray frigate
only thing that DOESNOT work is Tomatos and Hermes trinkets
alpine ivy
is it how many times i can put a doom on a target before 0.5 sec?
lament coral
yes
stray frigate
@alpine ivy yes
livid comet
yes
alpine ivy
yes
livid comet
n0
stray frigate
and that's why u want longer doom boon
lament coral
c-c-c-combo breaker!
fallow niche
@lament coral On 32 heat?
livid comet
you want dire misfortune + impending doom
lament coral
nah, I'm working on getting to 20 on non-shield weapons, it was 18.
livid comet
but merciful end kinda screws that one over
fallow niche
Ah
Yeah its very very good below 32 heat
I think it falls off a bit later
But its really nice
lament coral
Tartarus and Asphodel were slow but Elysium and Hades were a breeze
fallow niche
How fast did you get the Demeter Duo?
lament coral
I didn't get it at all
lament coral
neither Dem's nor Zeus'
fallow niche
Zeus's is inferior imho
lament coral
yet I picked both their boons
fallow niche
😭
lament coral
you can have both at the same time
timber temple
Is that the one where debuffs/curses last longer?
lament coral
dang
teal nebula
I have a question about Athena defect
fallow niche
@timber temple Demeter / Dio duo turns fog into a cloud of Chill status that does 50% more damage on impact
stray frigate
defect lol
fallow niche
On top of its normal effects
teal nebula
Does it trigger with a chance or you have to Time it ?
stray frigate
@teal nebula not chance
fallow niche
It always activates when you land it
lament coral
you need to attack when an enemy attacks
stray frigate
100%
livid comet
if you hit with an attack that can deflect
teal nebula
Ok
livid comet
it has to be a profectile or a physical attack
lament coral
basically, there's no special timing involved
teal nebula
That work on boss ?
fallow niche
Yes
livid comet
yes
lament coral
of course
teal nebula
Like on Hydra arrow ?
teal nebula
Ok i have a full set Athena
livid comet
Also if you have shield you can just bull rush and block it all 
teal nebula
Well see
timber temple
Unless you have Athena’s deflect on dash and you dash toward the projectile
teal nebula
I have the Big machine gun
timber temple
Then you reflect it but once you stop it hits you
timber temple
Man, i miss when we had 3 dashes as a default
livid comet
I wish you could upgrade dashes further in mirror :(
lament coral
¯_(ツ)_/¯
timber temple
Because that would make sense?
stray frigate
what sense?
livid comet
changes what upgrades the mirror can give
stray frigate
like?
alpine ivy
if i have 3 casts in someone does he take 3x dmg from exit wound?
stray frigate
yes
alpine ivy
ok
stray frigate
so i can go right to 32 now?
rugged estuary
Maybe they don't want you to stock up tons of blood for future content and immediately unlock it all?
But it's a singleplayer game, so I dunno
stray frigate
or they force me to play another weapon
stray frigate
farm and banana was good too
rugged estuary
Is chaos shield still bugged to throw one too few shields?
livid comet
I haven't been counting
woeful stirrup
I'm quite fond of the rake ending. Although my favourite has to be the old wall painted to look like the exit ending.
worn badge
What is generally the best bow aspect
thick sedge
hera
worn badge
Ok, that’s what I thought too
stray frigate
Chiron!
thick sedge
not that I've used the bow all that often, just that that's my favorite so far
worn badge
I like the idea of Chiron but I the arrows clank with walls and stuff
tame urchin
coronacht for life ❤️
worn badge
Maybe I just need to be more precise than I want to be
tame urchin
every time i finish the a run it was with one of the two range wepons
stray frigate
i used to play with Chiron a lot
1st time i killed Ex Hydra was Chiron
but now i stick to Chaos shield which is best version of Chiron
earnest delta
So if you pay for a boon in a shop, does it's price basically tell you what rarity it is or?
worn badge
Rail gun kinda nuts, but I feel like the bow is sorta slow
The shield seems like the best weapon to me
All three aspects are good
stray frigate
@earnest delta iirc u can say it by light brightness
tame urchin
the bow has amazing range and with hammer can go fast shoot without u holding for powershot
stray frigate
rare shines brighter
worn badge
I feel like you sorta need that hammer upgrade
The fast one
Other wise stuff takes forever to die :x
tame urchin
the bow has amazing crit potential with artemis and the first aspect that give 10%crit
bosses drop soofast
worn badge
I haven’t really tried a crit build
stray frigate
@tame urchin add Hunter dash, explosive shot and double shot
tame urchin
oooofff
worn badge
Double shot seems really good
stray frigate
it will be like shotgun
earnest delta
@stray frigate thanks, i'll keep an eye out for brightness to figure out which is which in the future
patent tiger
Twin Shot is so good on the Default Bow and topping it with explosive shot is just icing.
stray frigate
and try some explosive runs
earnest delta
Zag bow seems like the best
tame urchin
i guess max weapons
stray frigate
@tame urchin i have almost all i need
earnest delta
10% crit plus the extra crit from artemis
earnest delta
if you have the hammer upgrade to make bow double shot, does the game treat each arrow seperately? aka can one crit and the other no
or are both arrows a single attack
worn badge
Is that better than a cast build with Hera do you think?
earnest delta
and they either both crit or neither does
tame urchin
maybe hold some for the next weapon or patch
stray frigate
hm i need to chexk it
worn badge
With like Aphrodite or Poseidon cast
earnest delta
if u go hera u need a big aoe cast cuz the special from the bow is a projectile clearer
so yea dio cast would be the best for that
worn badge
I think dio cast is really good for Hera too ye
tame urchin
dio is god of fun
worn badge
Especially with Zues duo
stray frigate
cus all his weakness disappear with Hera
like slow animation and hard to aim
u just load point and kill all
worn badge
What is the Artemis and ares* duo
stray frigate
area?
worn badge
Sorry
stray frigate
u mean their duo?
worn badge
Yeah
normal pecan
i'm at the shop before the Fury boss fight, got an artemis crit-focused Exagryph build going. shop has both Ares and Hermes, can afford one but not both. which should i go for, or is it personal preference?
stray frigate
it's HUNTING BLADES
worn badge
Is it the tracking one
timber temple
normal pecan
gotcha
worn badge
I had that, hermes legendary, and the ares one that makes em bigger and faster with Hera once
normal pecan
yeah i can get the +1 dashes one
stray frigate
+1 not cool
stray frigate
@worn badge for HB u want Ares boons
worn badge
Yee
stray frigate
for bigger area for slowing and of course his leg
lol i have almost all max aspects of my worst weapon - spear
solid cairn
gznm have you tried guan
timber temple
What happens when you get rail upgrade: “carpet bombing” (5 bombs w/ -50% dmg) and “bombs to rockets”
timber temple
Do you end up shooting 5 rockets like a shotgun?
stray frigate
it was before it was buffed
solid cairn
gz did you use it at level 5
solid cairn
I’m a noob and my best heat clear is 7 so it was a commitment
It was worth though
Because it’s my new favorite aspect in the game
jade estuary
how did they buff lifesteal?
stray frigate
idk
jade estuary
also @gnzm what was your build / aspect?
stray frigate
@jade estuary 20 heat?
jade estuary
yeah
stray frigate
solid cairn
On GY? Yeah
jade estuary
@solid cairn I've seen +2 per tick and +1
But I can't figure out what determines how much you get
solid cairn
Guan yu is really really good now
stray frigate
@solid cairn but how do u handle bosses high heat?
they can oneshot you with ur low hp
earnest delta
is there any place where u can see all the duo boons or is it just a memory thing from seeing them over and over
stray frigate
@earnest delta https://hades.gamepedia.com/Duo_Boons
earnest delta
oooh cheers
dapper bridge
I do it from memory just because ive seen them so much, but you can check the wiki
yeah that
solid cairn
Apparently 32 heat isn’t impossible with it but it s very hard
versed ibex
if you go to Demeter's page, it has the prereqs there
jade estuary
I have more trouble with theseus lol
solid cairn
The rest of the game was a complete joke
solid cairn
I just gotta git Gud at hades
jade estuary
i can never manage to hit theseus cuz of the stupid block
solid cairn
The spin attack worked against me far more often than usual
jade estuary
and the god power chasing me around
solid cairn
I think I was panicking
jade estuary
that spin attack does so much damage lol
solid cairn
And also I realized I couldn’t just tank it because I was using GY
jade estuary
yank?
earnest delta
something that helped me for theseus is knowing he's ALWAYS gonna leave himself open after throwing and recalling his spear
he walks away and turns his back on you
jade estuary
ah ok
i guess i gotta be patient
i have a hard time with the timelimit for him
he's the boss that takes the longest for me
solid cairn
Guan yu is strong enough for tight deadline to not be a huge problem
But you get one shot by traps and bosses
At 32
stray frigate
@solid cairn did u beat 32 with anything?
jade estuary
For grinding titan blood, is it Chaos shield > Guan Yu > Hera bow?
jade estuary
my chron is level 1 😦
stray frigate
on low heat
dapper bridge
hera is weird to use, but boy is it a lot of fun
It's all about burst instead of DPS
jade estuary
even with ice wine i got rekt by hades
serene nexus
For the most part @earnest delta duo boons require an active ability from each god in order to qualify. Exceptions are stuff like Hunting Blades or Scintillating Fog which require a specific cast
dapper bridge
teh upgrades make it a lot easier since the bloodstones drop so much faster
and hermes boons which makes them drop faster is just real good
jade estuary
so for grinding then, chaos shield is still the best?
jade estuary
i got to 5 heat with guan yu
stray frigate
and makin blood
jade estuary
so i wanna use a nother weapon
jade estuary
last charon is really hard to get 1500 gold at
but yeah i got every quest done from list
except for the one that rqeuires all the heat active
that one still working on it
stray frigate
@jade estuary Chaos boons for money
earnest delta
1k is easy but 1500k is hard i agree
jade estuary
yeah i get 1k easy
stray frigate
i had some runs i buy ALL in his shop
jade estuary
1500 is hard yeah
solid cairn
I love runs where I can buy 
and kill Hades
jade estuary
lol thats so hard
dapper bridge
thats pretty alpha
I dont think ive ever bought the expensive reward from Charon before
jade estuary
what does everyone think is the most OP weapon?
fallow niche
Man most of these patch changes are fantastic
solid cairn
Chaos shield still
fallow niche
Though I'm worried World Smasher got nerfed reading it
earnest delta
what's the most consistent way of getting good runs going? im still only at heat 5/6 hell mode
dapper bridge
Chaos shield is real good
fallow niche
Chaos Shield is barely in the lead atm
stray frigate
fallow niche
Err
jade estuary
@fallow niche what's it leading?
solid cairn
Hestia rail too I guess
jade estuary
kk
untold widget
which pact is lasting consequences again?
dapper bridge
I'm a fan of Hera bow and Nemesis sword but I think a lot of people disagree
less healing
solid cairn
Forge how good do you think guan yu is
untold widget
ty
fallow niche
Hera bow is good but its not as consistent as other weps, and Nemesis Sword suffers from sword problems of being up close but offering no defensive ability
Though Nem sword dishes out great damage at least
solid cairn
I used to main nemesis sword
jade estuary
does poseidon sword have the same issue?
jade estuary
oh
untold widget
haha
serene nexus
Sword in general is a very High-skill weapon
jade estuary
lol i didnt unlock it i guess
serene nexus
Poseidon sword is a cast based weapon
earnest delta
sword doesnt seem to do enough dmg for the close range u need to be to use it
fallow niche
It makes your casts deal 50% more damage and makes your special dig casts out of living enemies @jade estuary
fallow niche
Yeah Poseidon Sword is my favorite weapon
fallow niche
Guan Yu is good but it requires specific hammer upgrades to be great
turbid needle
What's your build, Speedyrabbit? Aspect of Nemesis is a world ender.
turbid needle
And S+ with Quick Spin?
serene nexus
Nemesis sword really shines once you get a combination that takes advantage of using you Q and standard attack together
fallow niche
And yeah Sword deals plenty damage for Nemesis, its just risky play
serene nexus
Like Aphrodite/Demeter
rugged apex
GY is S+ if spinning, A otherwise. it's just that good!
solid cairn
Nemesis is good but you can’t beat super high heat with it
stray frigate
Explosive special Crit Guan yu
serene nexus
It gets a lot better once you get status
turbid needle
Curse of Pain into Divine Strike with Merciful End? Bruh.
fallow niche
Yeah its good
turbid needle
Forge, you get any of those 30+ Heat clears with Nemesis or was it all Poseidon at that point?
serene nexus
For merciful end you’ll want doom on attack and Athena on dash or special
fallow niche
All Poseidon, though I took Nem to 20 iirc
dapper bridge
damn 30+ heat, thats impressive
fallow niche
Poseidon lets me run the hell away from dangerous fast moving enemies lol
earnest delta
Did hell mode just get the darkness restriction removed LOL
turbid needle
Yup.
fallow niche
Wait did it? Gonna read the rest of the patch notes brb
turbid needle
Now Lasting Consequences is permanent.
turbid needle
^That maniac has.
earnest delta
wow i can finally use the 5k darkness i have stored
stray frigate
solid cairn
Who has
solid cairn
I want to see zagreus sword 32
turbid needle
I'm so excited for the Charged Shot (Aegis) fix.
fallow niche
- Forced Overtime: increased Heat; reduced number of ranks (though each rank has a greater effect)
WOT
Forced Overtime was one of the best parts of the pact though??
turbid needle
FO is two ranks at 3 Heat apiece, 40% at max.
fallow niche
👀
dapper bridge
and i think its +30%
fallow niche
So its more heat for less speed?
dapper bridge
playing with it rn
fallow niche
1 more heat for less speed rather
turbid needle
Yup.
fallow niche
Wow
dapper bridge
wasnt it 10% for 1 heat before
fallow niche
technically this nerfs speedrunning 
solid cairn
And you can’t do it in increments
dapper bridge
and now its 30% for 3 heat
turbid needle
I'm A-OK with it, maximum Forced Overtime was nightmarish.
solid cairn
Which is the bad part
serene nexus
What’s the scaling for it
untold widget
@solid cairn Forge has done 32 with all weapons
turbid needle
20 for 3, @dapper bridge
solid cairn
Oh he has?
fallow niche
speedrunners btfo tho
untold widget
damn i never got to play with full 50%
solid cairn
Forge are the runs recorded
fallow niche
Anyway this is probably a better change all things considered
serene nexus
Didn’t you post that screenshot with a ton of escape attempts
fallow niche
@solid cairn what runs
solid cairn
32 heat all weapons
fallow niche
oh that
dapper bridge
oh yeah sorry its 20% for 3 heat
serene nexus
When someone told you you were bad at the game
serene nexus
Yep
solid cairn
Now all aspects
jade estuary
hey question: do you have to complete the run (kill hades) with a weapon, say shield at 1 heat before you can kill a fury for titan blood at 2 heat
solid cairn
solid cairn
Zag sword 32 heat
turbid needle
@jade estuary Yes.
dapper bridge
ew
stray frigate
@jade estuary aha
solid cairn
DO IT
turbid needle
What's wrong with 25% more speed and 25% longer dashes?
fallow niche
It does nothing to make you deal more damage or survive better
Its not even good for speedrunning
solid cairn
It’s the only bad aspect in the game
fallow niche
Since your speed in finishing the game is tied to how much damage you dish out
Yeah
No defensive stuff for high heat, no damage stuff for low heat
dapper bridge
speed and dashes dont help you kill stuff faster or better
fallow niche
If its was 100% dash speed THEN we got some spicy stuff on our hands
that sounds hilarious
untold widget
oh lord
solid cairn
I made a template for all the aspects to put them on a tier list
serene nexus
Honestly I was think that Zag aspect might be better off having some kind of bonus damage on the standard combo
solid cairn
I don’t have a png for guan yu
fallow niche
I could probably rate them all at this point
solid cairn
fallow niche
GY is top tier but its high variance based on hammer RNG
solid cairn
None on the wiki
tiny portal
New to the game I don't understand how to fish... I wait for the bobber to bob before trying to catch but still always get "too early"
fallow niche
take a pic in-game with ShareX @solid cairn
serene nexus
First strike gives you 2% damage, Second gives you 3% damage, and final strike gives you 5% initial damage
turbid needle
You want to wait for it to completely submerge.
dapper bridge
you want to wait for the bobber to go all the way underwater @tiny portal
fallow niche
45 isnt the highest anymore
tiny portal
Thanks
turbid needle
Watch for the splash of water.
fallow niche
last patch made it 47, I think its 48 now
serene nexus
Think animal crossing.
turbid needle
fallow niche
oh god what
pastel jolt
well, the delightful news is that now that we're in the shift focus part of the patch cycle, i can now go through stuff on the wiki without fear that a patch will drop the next day, rebalance everything, and make me do all that math again
fallow niche
If I can help with wiki stuff let me know! @pastel jolt
stray frigate
it's ok we will wait
pastel jolt
should be fine, i'll ask in here if i need anything checking 👌
hardy crow
fallow niche
Keepsakes are hard to rank on a tierlist because all the god ones are useful if not necessary in a build
hardy crow
feelsgood
hardy crow
Bow
serene nexus
Which one
hardy crow
Base aspect
serene nexus
Build?
hardy crow
Got really good RNG
dapper bridge
Holy crap, 15 minutes?
hardy crow
Twin shot, dash attack, chaos boon for buffing attack
hardy crow
Chill attack
serene nexus
Nice
pastel jolt
twin shot is soooo good
somber epoch
Tight deadline needs to take notes, lol
serene nexus
It is lolp
hardy crow
My second hammer was power shot upgrade
pastel jolt
hey @solid cairn you're unmuted
hardy crow
I was hard rerolling for urge to kill, but that's the only flat damage buff I was missing
hardy crow
I had Demeter empty-casts, I had Artemis crit damage increase
Just good stuff overall
No way to proc privileged status, sadly
That would've been insane if I could
solid cairn
@fallow niche
rugged apex
where's acorn
solid cairn
also couldn't find a png on the wiki
hardy crow
Wondering how the run time compares to other low heat bow runs
solid cairn
nvm I found it
pastel jolt
...............yeah you found it because it's right there, two inches up
fallow niche
Add GY and I'll put together my personal tierlist
For both 32 heat and 0 heat
Since I play a bunch of both
It'll be two different lists
pastel jolt
i'm sorry how long remaining?
stray frigate
Who asked about doubleshot crit bow? Each arrow has her own crit chance
solid cairn
updated
turbid needle
Hey Guys, what is the sakekeeper that can be upgraded to 5 stars?
So far my favourites are the Chaos one and the +% damage per perfect chamber. But I wonder what people consider the better ones
dapper bridge
keepsakes can only go up to 3 stars
dapper bridge
Oooooh
turbid needle
Which ones are legendary and how do I get them? : P
rugged apex
they're legendary, you'll know
stray frigate
well it may be spoiler
dapper bridge
The legendary ones are the very bottom row, in gold
And yeah you'll know when you get them
dapper bridge
You can ask #h1-story-discussion about how to get them
stray frigate
@turbid needle i usually start with god trinket 1 and 2 lvls
coin for 3rd and Charon or Spear for last
dapper bridge
I LOVE pierced butterfly and Lambent Plume
turbid needle
My GF gave me this game a couple of days ago and I am hooked. Reminds me a great lot about Bastion and Transistor's speedyness but this game is so much fun and flexiblity
stray frigate
if i have low DD - i take Skelly
turbid needle
Yeah pierced butterfly seems very nice imo 😄
dapper bridge
compeltely agree in all cases @stray frigate
stray frigate
Butterfly
turbid needle
I still gotta give alot of gods some honey
dapper bridge
I'm not convinced its actually that fantastic, but I love the playstyle it evokes
turbid needle
That depends how good you are 😛
stray frigate
and i usually dont have troubles with dmg
dapper bridge
I've gotten quite good with it so its not too bad
I play with butterfly and the time pact option
stray frigate
i have troubles with sustain
dapper bridge
which is quite stressful
but yeah i dont think the keepsake itself is actually that great
its just fun imo
dapper bridge
ooooh yeah
north pendant
The broken spearpoint doesn't seem too viable now when I'm running extreme measures and forced overtime...
fallow niche
https://i.imgur.com/qBns4Dq.png @solid cairn
dapper bridge
the nerf hit it pretty hard
fallow niche
0 heat tierlist
stray frigate
@north pendant they buffed it a little
fallow niche
Now this is assuming a good build on each
turbid needle
I think the shield is massively underrated
stray frigate
spearpoint i mean
dapper bridge
Zag sword at the bottom where it should be
turbid needle
Especially with the world ... something, just holding X (get reflect on attacks) and faster attacks
fallow niche
This is each weapon at its best at 0 heat, some weapons have serious variance like Guan Yu @solid cairn
north pendant
They did, but somehow I'm dying on the Furies now
turbid needle
Im gonan check out the patch tho guys 😄
north pendant
Alecto's saw is impossible to avoid
turbid needle
Wish me luck escaping hell 😛
stray frigate
@north pendant well git gud i guess(
north pendant
stray frigate
and i dont usually take it in 1st lvl
rugged estuary
Aww dang, I never got to try the op world breaker shield
20 heat with shield
dapper bridge
@fallow niche you said you liked playing with Poseidon sword. What keepsake(s) do you like taking on it for high heat?
also nice, 20 heat is pretty good
fallow niche
https://i.imgur.com/gEeI70b.png @solid cairn
32 heat tierlist
@dapper bridge artemis build or bust
dapper bridge
Hell yeah
fallow niche
so artemis trinket and survivability trinkets or death
dapper bridge
Now you're speaking my language B)
fallow niche
athena dash if possible
livid comet
chaos shield <3
solid cairn
I added a guan yu image to the wiki
fallow niche
chaos shield is the best weapon but its not by a massive margin anymore imo
stray frigate
i tried Hestia for some times
livid comet
Guan yu is actually quite nice as well
dapper bridge
GY is super fun
stray frigate
and i missing SO MUCH shoots
dapper bridge
quick spin is super super good
stray frigate
fallow niche
Guan Yu is comparable to the best weapons on all heat #'s, but it relies heavily on RNG the higher you go
solid cairn
fallow niche
You can turn Lasting Consequences to 100% and it still lifesteals
Which is significant
stray frigate
@livid comet but low hp make you like glass cannon
north pendant
So what's the best survivability trinket, now
dapper bridge
Wait you can do WHAT
solid cairn
skelly's
livid comet
well you just gotta git gud
north pendant
dapper bridge
thats so good actually oh my god
livid comet
yeah
dapper bridge
Thats, what, 4 heat for free?
livid comet
easy heats.
fallow niche
no need for survivability before styx, and Spearpoint for Styx because poison is harder than Hades 
fallow niche
@dapper bridge 2, but yeah
sacred folio
Guess Guan Yu aspect will be nerfed reworked someday? I Better starting abusing it soon
fallow niche
Most of the time on 32 heat you get 50% LC
dapper bridge
ah ok
dapper bridge
I have no idea what the meta is lol
pastel jolt
wait who removed the flavor text on guan yu aspect
rugged estuary
Fixed an issue where too many different Olympians could appear in a single escape attempt
livid comet
it doesn't make you a glass cannon so much; if you're even a little bit careful you'll get through every encounter with most of your health
solid cairn
oops
rugged estuary
damn so it was possible to get all gods
fallow niche
@sacred folio Hopefully have its hammers reworked or its special get lifesteal added, if it gets nerfed then SG is smoking some serious pot
solid cairn
my b
rugged estuary
wonder what god theseus would have had then
pastel jolt
that's a totally different line, how the heck did you do that
stray frigate
@rugged estuary u can but cant for elisium
livid comet
what do you meab
dapper bridge
quite hammer reliant imo, but when it works it really works
north pendant
If you can get quick spin right from the start of the run then you're fine
dapper bridge
^^^^
north pendant
If you get the spin damage buff, then you'll clear the run
sacred folio
Hmm.
fallow niche
Big spin is better early quick spin is better later
livid comet
and it works pretty much with any set up as far as boons go
north pendant
Or
north pendant
Get both for better outcome
pastel jolt
why won't the update go faster....
dapper bridge
thats a mood
livid comet
what is the new update?
livid comet
nooo
dapper bridge
you can check #hades-patch-notes
actually a lot of the balance changes were pretty good imo
fallow niche
The new patch is very very good
Godlike patch
I feel like I say this every patch
dapper bridge
hard agree
fallow niche
Updates bring massive changes, most good
Patches bring small changes, nearly all good
Beautiful cycle of refining the game
dapper bridge
I think they've been using Early Access really well for that exact reason
livid comet
new patch looks great
fallow niche
Lets talk about our favorite parts of the new patch
+ Reduced offering rate for Olympian Aid Boons (in general, they should appear less early and often)```I'm literally crying rn
its beautiful
dapper bridge
ikr
livid comet
ikr
solid cairn
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392070250511728653/671825942964076544/unknown.png did I mess up anything
dapper bridge
getting an exchange almost every boon was so annoying
sinful arrow
Finally
pastel jolt
👍
sinful arrow
No more waiting until Elysium just to get an attack boon lol
dapper bridge
its beautiful
pastel jolt
once the update is done doing its thing i think i'll go through the weapons before i go through and update the gods
vague kernel
I'm glad that getting every god in a single run was a bug that was fixed. I thought I was going crazy when I would suddenly get a new god in the final stage
dapper bridge
are you updating the wikie @pastel jolt ?
pastel jolt
yup
dapper bridge
damn that sounds like a lot of work
pastel jolt
¯_(ツ)_/¯
dapper bridge
good on ya though
sinful arrow
I thought I was going crazy when I kept seeing gods that don't synergize well with my build in Styx
solid cairn
you know what needs to be changed
sinful arrow
Definitely a welcome fix
solid cairn
sometimes nectar is still referred to as ambrosia
on the wiki
also stuff is called "x aspect" instead of "aspect of x"
livid comet
should I be converting all my ambrosia into titan blood?
stray frigate
@livid comet no
dapper bridge
after you're done gifting with it then it doesnt do a whole lot I dont think
livid comet
I can see any other use for it tho
solid cairn
I used to but I don't feel comfortable doing it anymore
sinful arrow
I don't convert anything for future proofing reasons
livid comet
...you can gift it?
dapper bridge
yeh
sinful arrow
Never know when I'll need them for updates
livid comet
....
stray frigate
only if u unlocked and upgraded all leg trinket and maxed all relationship
livid comet
0_0
dapper bridge
thats what its used for
livid comet
what have I done
dapper bridge
ahaha
stray frigate
dapper bridge
tragedy
livid comet
Noooo
stray frigate
ambro have no much sense in early runs
livid comet
Now I'm stuck at high heat for ambrosia
stray frigate
and more blood can be good
solid cairn
yeah it's good earlier on
solid cairn
Hades doesn't really have terrible things you can do with resources
at worst it's just sub-optimal
I feel like I chose a good time to stop converting ambrosia to blood
around 8 heat
I pretty much have everything I want maxed
stray frigate
Fated list can give u some bunch of materials too
livid comet
Hm.
stray frigate
dont forget this
solid cairn
too lazy to max all the keepsakes
abstract pilot
i have stubbornly refused to trade anything for anything, except keys which i definitely need more of
stray frigate
@abstract pilot do u have Chaos prophecies?
solid cairn
will I get the duo boon reward again if I get Demeter's
and it was already completed
livid comet
I guess I should complete all the Daedalus hammer upgrades for the shield
stray frigate
@solid cairn no
solid cairn
good thing I grinded a lot before update
sinful arrow
What does it say in the codex?
dapper bridge
you cant gift with ambrosia right away
sinful arrow
Sometimes you need more convos to move on
terse zinc
hello
livid comet
iunno, I got a prophecy about dusa tho
stray frigate
convos dont afflect relationship progress
solid cairn
it just says "deepening your relationship"
stray frigate
they afflect only codex
pastel jolt
codex conversations dont' affect gifting/ambrosia stuff
sinful arrow
You sure? Cause I got a locked heart with Meg until I had more convos with her
solid cairn
also the only reason I keep keys around is the keys for titan blood trade
fallow niche
@livid comet You can gift Ambrosia to 5 characters currently to get a trinket from them that summons them in battle for an effect. In order to give them Ambrosia however, you need to do something for them - usually they mention it in dialog at some point. Two of the 5 characters are able to be romanced (one male one female).
stray frigate
no effect
dapper bridge
damn really?
stray frigate
mb later
dapper bridge
I totally thought that was the prereq for ambrosia with dusa
pastel jolt
you have to buy a bunch of lounge upgrades and then speak to dusa about it and it'll unlock ambrosia for her
solid cairn
you can chain them together
dapper bridge
yeah thats what i thought
livid comet
yeah ok
pastel jolt
the problem with that not triggering should be fixed as of this patch
solid cairn
like doing skelly's for the gems and spending them on sisyphus'
livid comet
I've got a bunch of lounge upgrades already tho
fallow niche
Dusa's trinket is the worst 😭
livid comet
whaat
reef galleon
why does it feel like I never do enough damage with shield
stray frigate
y(
terse zinc
skelly's last heart is locked for me
stray frigate
@reef galleon cus u doing it wrong i guess
solid cairn
I feel like rib would actually be a super good choice for guan yu
livid comet
@reef galleon you need 500% more doom
solid cairn
will need to try that
terse zinc
i really want to go on a date with him and smash his head on the table
fallow niche
LMAO
solid cairn
Skelly is by far the easiest companion to get
fallow niche
Yeah
hollow sorrel
I still haven't been blessed with RNG good enough to get Dusa's keepsake. I'm still not sure how it's supposed to be useful though.
stray frigate
@terse zinc after 5 secrespawn sound "Miss me boyo"
solid cairn
there isn't a chance of him not being where you can talk to him
hollow sorrel
Like, it mini stuns a few things?
solid cairn
and if you complete the all elites prophecy you can get rib super early
fallow niche
Yeah Dusa's keepsake is on the bottom of that tierlist
stray frigate
@reef galleon what aspect and build do u prefer? and wat heat>
solid cairn
rib isn't useful early at all though
I should add the legendaries to the keepsake tier list
dapper bridge
I like the sisyphus legendary one
solid cairn
meg more like only speedrun viable
dapper bridge
free loot eyyyy
terse zinc
guys small question, do any of you also find that the "sewers area" is sometimes too overwhelming on the last room (the big one) ? does poison go away eventually or you have to cure it?
hollow sorrel
Meg is higher than Than? Isn't it like way easier to aim Than though?
fallow niche
The life from the boulder is nuts
livid comet
but dusa is the only one worth romancing
solid cairn
ok I really want to try rib with guan yu
stray frigate
Sis is not so cool for higher heat cus it has no heal
livid comet
(
solid cairn
guan yu doesn't need healing
dapper bridge
very true
fallow niche
Hades going "IS THAT A BLASTED BOULDER" nearly killed me
solid cairn
being able to distract enemies gives guan yu more time to heal
dapper bridge
Bouldy best character confirmed
fallow niche
"THIS IS ZEUS'S DOING ISN'T IT"
solid cairn
fallow niche
stray frigate
@dapper bridge Best girl
dapper bridge
ok you know what thats very true
reef galleon
@stray frigate 1 heat, starting aspect. The shield has been my least favorite weapon and I just didn't bother with it until the last couple of runs.
fallow niche
yeah bouldy is best
dapper bridge
Bouldy is the best boulder-themed character
hollow sorrel
I used the skeleton a few times, and it apparently gets shoved into lava easily
fallow niche
Skelly is very good if used right, but he's mostly relevant on high heat
terse zinc
i find that building up critical damage is the most viable build in this game, any thoughts?
fallow niche
Its probably the easiest to build but its not necessarily the strongest @terse zinc
solid cairn
did you know you can reach 100% damage reduction with zagreus shield
hollow sorrel
What does he do? I tried summoning him on the final boss, during a trash mob phase, and he died before the trash mobs
solid cairn
of course it doesn't matter with that because block exists though
fallow niche
lol
terse zinc
artemis is always godlike, pair her with the stygious (?) sword that gives you 3 sec of 15% crit after specialling and its awesome
solid cairn
hold up
turbid needle
Oh I swear Im gonan do it, I have 4x death defy and 275/275 life with a good bow damage setup! Let's go Hades
livid comet
@reef galleon Shield is my favourite weapon. Use bull rush a whole lot, get deflect on special.
stray frigate
@reef galleon well i used to play with hammer upgrades for Dash attack and double attack adding all boons from chaos for same attack/dashattack.
Adding Athena dash(This boon can carry any run!) and some good attack boon like Aphro or Artemis
solid cairn
are you counting achilles trinket @fallow niche
hollow sorrel
I kind of avoid artemis on attack/special with the sword though, because her status ailment is terrible, and I want to easily do two status ailments
fallow niche
I'm fairly certain God Mode's DR doesn't stack directly with other forms of DR
terse zinc
i always use skelly's trinket. or keepsake. i think its the best one imo
stray frigate
@reef galleon Now i stick to Chaos aspect and do damage with special and already beat 20 heat
solid cairn
I feel like you can get 100
pastel jolt
@hollow sorrel skelly draws the attention of enemies while he's alive
solid cairn
I need like 4 heroic boons
hollow sorrel
Even if it stacks, usually games have a damage reduction cap
reef galleon
Thanks, guys
hollow sorrel
I get that skelly draws the attention of enemies, but it dies so quickly on the final boss trash mobs phase, that I feel like I would have been better off with a direct damage companion instead
solid cairn
ok let me add up
hollow sorrel
You can't just add it up, if you're unsure of whether or not a cap exists
solid cairn
what's that supposed to be
pastel jolt
cinder
solid cairn
17%?
pastel jolt
cinder please calm down i'm goign through the weapons now
fallow niche
he's incredible on 32 heat @hollow sorrel , he gets the health and blue shield upgrades from the pact for some reason 😂
hollow sorrel
Before Hades, I think the worst part of the game, is something like a trial of the gods, or the minotaur, on the third biome at 7:00 minute deadline
dapper bridge
wait he DOES?
fallow niche
yup
dapper bridge
thats really funny
fallow niche
So does dusa
hollow sorrel
so whatever helps me do that faster is probably what I want
fallow niche
tho shes invuln
solid cairn
wait they nerfed achilles keepsake
it used to be 55% reduction right
15 (Zag shield) + 40 (myrmidon bracer) + 20 (Epic Positive Outlook) + 15 (Epic Different League) = 90%
stray frigate
why does Tomatos trinket called pierced butterfly?
solid cairn
rip
stray frigate
i do not see it was pierced anywhere
solid cairn
wait I forgot the athena boon
dapper bridge
yeah its like a hairpin
stray frigate
also how does Athena trinket called in english?
hollow sorrel
Owl Pendant
solid cairn
I think that takes it over 100
stray frigate
i mean it looks like some barette
fallow niche
just started hades anD OH GOD MY GAME GLITCHED
100% FORCED OVER TIME
YES
IVE WANTED THIS MY WHOLE LIFE
dapper bridge
WHAT
fallow niche
YES
dapper bridge
thats insane
fallow niche
gotta see if this works
serene nexus
Lol. God-speed you crazy cat
stray frigate
north pendant
I died at the barge this time with the 3x dash strike
atomic mist
What does 100% forced overtime look like...
stray frigate
rip
fallow niche
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