h1-builds-and-combat

[stray frigate]

@azure bone rng is rng no

[azure bone]

Like cluster bomb. I can't think of any situation I'd get that

[river garden]

So, "Fated Authority" doesn't have a cap, I presume?

[azure bone]

10

[stray frigate]

it has

[river garden]

And acts as a "Darkness" sink later in the game?

[azure bone]

But it gets absurdly expensive

[stray frigate]

buuut it's 165k iirc

[river garden]

Oh then strange that it is so costly on the first step since it only give you 1 reroll

Basically a key

[oblique tusk]

rerolls are fantastic tho

[stray frigate]

aaaand devs will change it

[river garden]

Rerolls are not that good

I mean too much in the pool still

There are like 10 options or something for rooms?

Maybe more

And even then its different types of boons from gods

And even then its rarity

[stray frigate]

well usually single room has 3-4 variants afaik

[river garden]

I mean not as crazy as in other games

Like BoI

[azure bone]

I pretty much only use the rerolls to reroll centaur hearts to something else

[stray frigate]

@azure bone in higher heat hearts are best

[azure bone]

I'm sure they are, but not every game is at higher heat

[stray frigate]

cus money are useless

[pastel jolt]

Basically a key you realise fated authority came before the key upgrade was put in, right?

[azure bone]

Also yea i reroll money

if using the extra costs one

[stray frigate]

esp when Charon become even more greedy this patch

[azure bone]

God I hate the give up thing

[stray frigate]

@river garden https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/520688402958516254/660997121406926849/hades_room_rewards_guide.png

[azure bone]

I have to sit on a trap for like 5 minutes if I want to end a run without just being re-seeded the same run

[river garden]

Oooh

That's really good to know

[pastel jolt]

yooooou're welcome :D

[stray frigate]

@river garden it is pinned

in this channel

for us

[river garden]

Wait if you quit a run it gives you the same one?

That's strange

[azure bone]

It pretends like you never started it

Only way it changes is if you change weapons

It pretty much deletes all progress since last save

[pastel jolt]

it doesn't even change weapons, actually

it just kicks you back to the autosave made when you enter the courtyard

[stray frigate]

but you can use it

[river garden]

I mean i kinda see why, if they add reroll button they might as well just give you a choice at the beginning what boon/upgrade to take

[stray frigate]

to take better weapon or god trinket

[river garden]

Since people would just roll until they get the boon what they want

[azure bone]

Its nto even that

[stray frigate]

@river garden not boon but god

[river garden]

If you got a reroll you could roll until you get the boon you want

[azure bone]

its just, I hate it when I wanna try new boons but when I'm playing I get ares/ares/ares/artemis and I just stand in lava so I can start over

[stray frigate]

and i prefer keep most of my rerols till the end

[azure bone]

Like yea I could win with ares/artemis but I'm so sick of that

[stray frigate]

to avoid useless hammers or gods in the end

[full flame]

i think the bigger reason for the lack of changing seed on give up was for speedrunners, but could be wrong

it definitely helps them learn a seed

[river garden]

Useless hammers?

Now that's a first

I thought they are the best you can get

[stray frigate]

it depends on weapon

[azure bone]

Idk, I hate a lot of the bow ones lately

[stray frigate]

i do not need them with Chaos shield

i'm ok with basic

and that's one more reason

why shield is op

[full flame]

yes, unfortunately hammer upgrades on average are underwhelming compared to god boons

[river garden]

Yeah shield is bonkers

Has too much

Invincibility, range and movement

Not sure some boons are just kinda meh i feel

Especially Aphrodite ones

[full flame]

there are a few really good ones, but due to the pool including a lot I might not want, i rarely prioritize hammers

[stray frigate]

i have lucky start i already have Dio and Aphro

[river garden]

"Weak" status is only useful if you get hit and I'm personally not a fan of mechanics that reward mistakes

[stray frigate]

now i only need their duo

[full flame]

and they generally force hammers on you anyways, so i often avoid until i have no choice

[stray frigate]

@river garden weak is one of the best for privileged

@full flame and that's why i keep my rerolls

[full flame]

yeah i just mean if there's more than one option, i'll avoid the hammer until it's the only option

[stray frigate]

also it may be improved for dealing dmg

[river garden]

So, there is no point to get more heat if you haven't cleared previous encounters?

[stray frigate]

yes

[full flame]

but i will reroll a single choice hammer if i'm using poseidon sword

[river garden]

What about those gates with heat locks?

[full flame]

depends on your confidence level of clearing those without taking damage

[river garden]

So how often do devs drop updates?

[full flame]

bumping up the heat to say 5 or 10 and just repeatedly doing it at that heat can be good practice and offer opportunity to take those infernal gates

[river garden]

One in 6 months or something like that?

[azure bone]

It literally tells you # of days till next update when you load a game

err open the game*

[river garden]

Oh it does?

Oh it does

Wow that's cool

[gray lintel]

"oh neat hazard bomb seems fun, self damage should be easy to avoid"

tries it out

realizes it's centered on yourself

"uhhhhhhh"

[night pasture]

"I've made a huge mistake"

[pastel jolt]

once every 6 months you hurt me, lleon

[snow tangle]

hazard bomb is just iframe practice

[river garden]

I've literally just bought the game

[pastel jolt]

we're up to patch 38 in total, with nine major updates so far

[river garden]

Damn, you guys doing nice job on those updates

[pastel jolt]

the folks at supergiant work very hard

[river garden]

But the person who came up with poison on satyrs is a meanie

[stray frigate]

hey guys

anyone has problem

when i see map

between Tartarus and Asphodel

and

Hades sign moving up

it jump back

for a moment

[pastel jolt]

known issue!

[stray frigate]

oh ok

[gray lodge]

What's the ingame bugreport key?

[night pasture]

F10

[gray lintel]

so hazard bomb is !!fun!! in tartarus

with all the tight quarters

i can't wait for styx

[faint sonnet]

I... caught two fish at once?
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/651179632120430596/670800353897480225/Hades_00196.png?width=1006&height=566

Lol ok then

[worn badge]

skillful

[night pasture]

master

[oblique tusk]

poison is just such an unfun mechanic

[stray frigate]

but strong

[faint sonnet]

Think they meant styx poison

[river garden]

Satyrs and rats poison is indeed too much

Like you get hit randomly and have to run around searching for that fountain

[stray frigate]

old spearpoint was very good vs it

[faint sonnet]

Rats more so than satyrs

The Satyrs are avoidable

Rats just cover the area in poison

So unless you're using the rail or bow you're just

not goin over there

[stray frigate]

rats also has HEAVY hits

[north hedge]

How does Aspect of Eris work for the gun

[gray lintel]

hazard bomb with +30% faster specials

[faint sonnet]

Pretty good @north hedge

[gray lintel]

now if I get triple special I just become bomberman

[stray frigate]

@north hedge area of Q buff ALL ur dmg

[north hedge]

What does it mean by absorb

[night pasture]

you need to be in the area where it explodes

[faint sonnet]

Stand in the AOE when it explodes and you get a buff

[stray frigate]

if u in this area

[faint sonnet]

up to 60%

[river garden]

You need to stand in the explosion

[full flame]

if you stand in the blast area, you get a damage buff

[north hedge]

I see

[river garden]

Yeah you'll deal 11 damage instead of 10

At the beginning at least

[faint sonnet]

Yeah but then it goes to 16 instead of 10 at max

60% is nothing to scoff at

especially later in a run

[north hedge]

So what kinda boon should I look for? Artemis or like Poseidon or something?

Ares seems fun but doesn't incerease spec dam

[faint sonnet]

Demeter & Artemis tbh

[full flame]

the buff affects all your damage too

[faint sonnet]

^^^

[stray frigate]

@north hedge i recomend Zeus or Dio for attack

[faint sonnet]

DIO

[stray frigate]

and Support fire

[river garden]

Kono Dionysis Da!

[stray frigate]

Shotgun

And some good special or Dash to proc ur Privileged

[faint sonnet]

Demeter's attack boon works really well on the rail

since you shoot so fast

and stack the cold really fast

[stray frigate]

well i didnt play much with Demeter

so i cant say much about her

and i dont play rail for last week

[river garden]

I'm using Artemis arrow spawn on it

Right now

[stray frigate]

@river garden support fire?

[river garden]

Yeah

[faint sonnet]

Same

Support fire + freezing

all the arrows

[stray frigate]

i mentioned it

Zeus can double ur dmg

and Jolted is good status

for eris

also good choice was Aphro attack

cus she had great scale

and 60% affects it better

but demeter has good scales to afaik

so it may be good too

[river garden]

So what's up with Nyx and Charon having almost same chat portrait?

[stray frigate]

in old version

Orpheus and Sisyphus had almost same

and Patrocles iirc

[river garden]

Oh i thought maybe its some kind of twist

Like Nyx pretending to be Charon helping you or smth

[pastel jolt]

please

please

will people just read #hades-faq

it's answered in there! i've given the same reply like three times just today alone!

Are the robed character portraits final? No. These are an example of work-in-progress content we’ll update during Early Access.

[stray frigate]

i thought Nyx is just like that

[river garden]

Same

[hollow sorrel]

I don’t think people understand that #hades-faq has answers like that

[river garden]

You should've just put giant PLACEHOLDER block instead of portraits so people would not ask questions

[manic dune]

#hades-faq says game is a rogue-like which is blatantly false

[hollow sorrel]

I honestly can’t even tell the difference between the gameplay and discussion channels, as people seem to post whatever in both channels

[stray frigate]

and some spoiler and story stuff too lool

[hollow sorrel]

Steam literally categorized this game as a rogue like

[river garden]

How is it not rogue-like?

[manic dune]

false

how is it a rogue like?!

it's nothing like a rogue-like

[river garden]

It has different randomized elements each time you start a run?

[manic dune]

in rogue-likes there's no permanent progress across runs

[hollow sorrel]

Most people don’t even know what the original rogue likes were like

[manic dune]

you die you lose EVERYTHING

[faint sonnet]

A roguelite is characterized by procedurally generated areas and perma-death

[hollow sorrel]

Nethack is a rogue like

[faint sonnet]

Per the definition it doesn't specify not having permanent progression

[hollow sorrel]

No, it’s categorized by turn based, and ascii tiles

[river garden]

I mean most games have some kind of progression tied to them

Most "rogue-like" games which are labeled like that right now

[manic dune]

rogue-like are also turn-based

[hollow sorrel]

It meant “like the game rogue”

[river garden]

Genre evolves

[hollow sorrel]

Which apparently no one remembers

[river garden]

rogue-like-like sounds good to you?

[manic dune]

genre doesn't evolve

[river garden]

Sure, buddy

[manic dune]

there's a genre called "rogue-lite"

[hollow sorrel]

Rogue-lite

[gray lintel]

didn't get triple special, but inescapable blast with hazardbomb is fun

[manic dune]

Hades is a rogue-lite

[faint sonnet]

Genres absolutely do evolve

[manic dune]

not rogue-like

[river garden]

I mean you're free to write an article about that in your personal gamejournalist blog, @manic dune

[faint sonnet]

how could genres not evolve

[hollow sorrel]

In any event, you can’t complain if something isn’t rogue like enough, if your definition of rogue like has nothing to do with the actual rogue game

[manic dune]

rogue-like is basically "Like the game Rogue"

how does that evolve?

Hades is nothing like Rogue

Well maybe a little - hence lite

[river garden]

Its funny when people get anal so much about such stuff

[hollow sorrel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/527330532259004419/670804859791867936/image0.jpg

This is rogue!

[manic dune]

i mean imagine if they said Hades is a First Person Shooter

[hollow sorrel]

The game “rogue like” is supposed to represent

[full flame]

the fact is that genres and language do evolve, but there will always be purists that rebel

[river garden]

Its just a label

[manic dune]

that's why new genre names are invented

you just call a new genre by a new name

[full flame]

i mean, would you call Fortnite a First Person Shooter?

[river garden]

If most people call rouge-like games which have permanent progression, then guess what this is the rogue-like description now

[manic dune]

genres are categories, they don't "evolve"

[river garden]

Isn't it third person?

[full flame]

err yeah i guess it is third person

[faint sonnet]

Technically lol

[full flame]

i don't play it

[hollow sorrel]

I still play nethack. What should I call that game, if you don’t want me to use the word rogue like for it?

[river garden]

how about calling it "nethack"?

[manic dune]

what genre is rogue, has rogue evolved in your opinion

[river garden]

I mean i don't personally care if someone calls Hades and Nethack both roguelikes

Would not make my blood boil

[hollow sorrel]

No. I think roguelite should be the new genre, which literally just means randomly generated levels

[manic dune]

and if hades is not "like" rogue, why call it "rogue-like"

[river garden]

Cause the true meaning of the term has been lost on most people?

And it has changed?

[full flame]

the genre of rogue-like is what has evolved, bc while a game can have some similar elements to Rogue, as soon as you add something different, it's no longer Rogue

[hollow sorrel]

Nethack is still in active development too

[full flame]

and that definition has evolved as developers add more varied elements to that style of game

[manic dune]

the meaning has been lost because developers keep using the wrong tags on steam

or in marketing

[hollow sorrel]

The main point is it’s ridiculous to complain that hades isn’t rogue like enough for you, if your definition of rogue like has nothing to do with the rogue game

[full flame]

the problem is that the genre uses a specific game title in the name, bc it was the first, or at least most popular at the time, of its kind

[hollow sorrel]

Like what, it’s not rogue like enough, based on your half-evolved sense of the word?

[full flame]

it's like the difference between Ultima Online and WoW as MMOs

but we don't refer to them as Ultima-Likes

[hollow sorrel]

Either you use it to refer to the rogue game, or accept the word has lost all meaning, and really just means “randomly generated levels,” which means Hades is very much a rogue like

[manic dune]

We don't refer to Diablo-clones as Diablo-clones either?

[river garden]

How about just not caring for such small details in such miniscule matter?

[full flame]

ARPGs

[river garden]

Pretty sure all of this has to go #off-topic-discussion

[manic dune]

Yes an ARPG with a procedurally generated dungeon = rogue-lite

A game that is extremely similar to the game named Rogue = rogue-like

If you don't care about the details you could have not questioned it...

[faint sonnet]

I wouldn't say it has to be extremely similar

[river garden]

I mean you were the one who started it?

[full flame]

again, it's all about popular opinion when it comes to evolution of language

[manic dune]

i just pointed it out, i didn't start arguing about it

[hollow sorrel]

I mean, someone did literally complain that Hades wasn't roguelike enough, using a half evolved definition of the wrd

[full flame]

so rogue-like has begun to mean different things to different people and it's the most appropriate tag for Hades given the popular opinion

[river garden]

I agree on this matter with @full flame

Since its literally what most people assume term to mean

[hollow sorrel]

roguelike literally lost all meaning besides "randomly generated levels," because that is the criteria Steam uses

[river garden]

Then its a best tag from marketing standpoint

[last nacelle]

Roguelike isn't even a real genre. This should be clear from the name of it.

[gray lintel]

technically from the terms i am awware of hades is a rogue-lite but not a rogue-like. since it has significant upwards metaprogression

[full flame]

i'm not saying you're wrong @manic dune , it's just that's a purist view which unfortunately gets overridden by the masses

[manic dune]

what masses

the masses don't know what rogue-like is at all

you're not the masses

[full flame]

the masses of developers trying to make money and calling their game rogue-like

bc they have no other term for it

[pastel jolt]

guys, if you're going to continue this debate, please do so over in #off-topic-discussion as we appear to have drifted away from the topic of hades gameplay

[faint sonnet]

To be honest, is it really that big of a deal? The two terms rogue-like and rogue-lite are so similar that its a easy to understand why they would be confused

also yea #off-topic-discussion

[manic ermine]

When word use is diluted enough it becomes meaningless

[manic dune]

I don't why we're even arguing, the ship has long sailed on this one

[full flame]

bc gameplay after the update isn't as fun 😦

😄

[manic dune]

yeah ngl the boon rng is killing me

Been trying to get Divine Protection for the longest time

[grand patrol]

you heard the bird! offtopic please!

ahh ur on now ty

[full flame]

legendaries are a lot harder to come by for sure

[mild crag]

How so

[river garden]

Does all weapons have dash-strike?

[mild crag]

@river garden yup

[river garden]

What about the bow?

[full flame]

increasing the # of possible outcomes in any rng system, decreases the probability of any particular outcome

[manic dune]

even the bow has dash strike

[hollow sorrel]

yes, the bow dash strike charges faster too

[manic dune]

it does less damage though

[static quiver]

I have a slight request, but feedback isn't letting me post. Sorry if this is the wrong place. Can we have something in the Codec to denote whether there are unread or new entries. Glowing letters or something would be nice.

[mild crag]

You know it doesn't give you every god each run

[hollow sorrel]

so like, dash strike all your charged bow attacks

[manic dune]

but it's hard not to dash strike with bow

[mild crag]

@static quiver check feedback pins

[manic dune]

the window to press attack after dashing is basically an eternity

[full flame]

every god each run is a bad thing, and it actually happens more often now than before the update for some reason

that reduces chances of progressing in any particular god to get legendaries

[mild crag]

It doesn't give you every god tho

[faint sonnet]

feels like it does

[mild crag]

It only happens if you force it with keepsakes

[pastel jolt]

@static quiver there's a pop-up notice when the codex updates and if you open it, entries with new text added are highlighted with a star - idk what else you want :P

[mild crag]

It tends to give you the same gods

[full flame]

i've had many runs after the update with 6+ gods being presented

[river garden]

So its a good thing to get god's keepsake at the beginning to guarantee the god's appearance?

[full flame]

my last run I had boons from every single god

[mild crag]

You must have forced it

[manic dune]

i'm not sure if the keepsakes affect the pool after they force a god's apperance

i wouldn't think so

[mild crag]

I'm not sure it does either yeah

[full flame]

i did force some early choices, but when Styx provides 3 gods you never saw at all the entire run, without any gods you currently have, that's not due to just forcing

[faint sonnet]

I like how we're given the option to tell Hermes to shut up

funny

[full flame]

and it's still happening even without forcing

[mild crag]

Never in my experience but I can't just say it didn't happen to you I suppose

[manic dune]

i think charon often tends to fill out boons you missed out on, as in picked a different room

[stray frigate]

Hermes is ok

[manic dune]

i'm not sure though

[stray frigate]

Shopkeeper in pyre is more annoying imo

[full flame]

this was what i saw in styx, holding Ares/Athena/Aphro/Artemis/Demeter - https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/612382629505007618/670564704552222720/unknown.png

and there was a single zeus offered in shop

never saw any of those 3 gods during the run

[mild crag]

That's interesting

[faint sonnet]

Is it possible to get Daedalus hammers in the Temple of Styx?

[full flame]

yes, if you haven't already got 2

[faint sonnet]

Is the max daedalus upgrades per run 2?

[full flame]

yes

[faint sonnet]

dang

[mild crag]

They're offered everywhere but you won't be offered a second one until elysium

Then you'll never be offered a third one

[faint sonnet]

:c

[mild crag]

Used to be but devs decided against it

[pastel jolt]

i assume it's because three hammers on top of aspect effects was too much

[faint sonnet]

Daedalus keepsake when 👀

[solid cairn]

Guys I’m considering primarily playing guan yu instead of nemesis

Sorry to nemesis users

[mild crag]

Yeah also because of exclusivity the pool gets diluted too much

[solid cairn]

Keep on splitting the world

[static quiver]

@pastel jolt I don't guess I've noticed the star. Sorry. Just started playing a couple of days ago. Do the headers at the top have stars too?

[pastel jolt]

i don't think so?

[static quiver]

Then that would be handy.

Freaking amazing game so far. Very Bastion-y and I'm saying that as a very good thing. It's almost like Supergiant has taken everything they've learned from the last three games and melded them. Can't wait to see what's next

[river garden]

Is there only 1 dream sequence so far?

[full flame]

spoilers

[fallow niche]

@solid cairn Guan Yu is good, I've made up my mind, its just heavily RNG dependent

[iron shale]

How does aspect of zeus shield work with swift flourish (faster special)

Does it tick faster

Or just fly faster

[solid cairn]

Nemesis is rng dependent

[full flame]

good question, i believe it only moves faster, with faster release animation, but i don't know for sure

i haven't used it enough to test that

[iron shale]

Yeah i assume that as well

[river garden]

Are there actually any builds that revolve solely around calls?

[full flame]

not really, but you could argue Ares

since his blade rift buffs like the legendary affect it

[snow tangle]

Has anybody tested railgun with chill and the blast on 10 chill stacks? Is it good? Or should I just stick to zeus + artemis

[full flame]

it is pretty good

[iron shale]

How long is the timer on hermes feather?

[full flame]

i believe it actually varies per room

[iron shale]

Yeah probably

Especially looking at minibosses

[full flame]

like more time based on region, and bosses

it's balanced pretty well to be tight in most cases

you might have very strong build that can clear a room in half the time provided, but if your build is bad you'll struggle on every single encounter and not worth to have

[rocky vigil]

If it's a survival room, you boost the timer by killing enemies I believe

I actually haven't tested it in the Temple of the Styx but it seems like that'd be a great place to rack up dodge rankings? At least if it went by room

[full flame]

oh i wondered about that, i felt like i always got the bonus on survival rooms and thought it was just a gimme bc it was greater than the 45 sec

[stray frigate]

@rocky vigil it doesnt work there

only for big rooms

[full flame]

the small rooms don't count

^

[rocky vigil]

Aw man that's a shame. It makes sense why they'd balance it like that but it'd also be amazing if it worked for the smaller rooms

[slow parcel]

does the pierced butterfly's damage buff apply when un-equipped?

[full flame]

and the fountain obviously doesn't count either, so it's only possible to get 4 more bonuses in styx

no @slow parcel

[slow parcel]

i see

[full flame]

same with Hermes

also, the more shops/non-combat encounters you go through reduce your total possible bonus, something else to consider

[pastel jolt]

@lean swift have you visited a chaos room recently

because you're literally describing one of their curses

[fallow niche]

what did he describe?

i dont see his post

[full flame]

it's in feedback

not being able to pick up stones

[fallow niche]

OH

lmao

[pastel jolt]

faded-out cast ammo that you can't pick up until a certain timer has passed

check your boon list for this icon, my guy:

[lean swift]

@river garden Pretty epic, I got a similar item but nowhere near that level; it may be an anomaly; I hate something similar in Wolcen: I got an item that granted any weapon sure-shot ability, which essentially does what that butterfly does, only in that game, the balance is kept so that certain abilities can be applied to certain classes of chars only, where's that item kind of crossed that boundary.

[full flame]

i hate when i get that one with flurry cast, bc i just end up blowing my whole load of stones on one enemy and stuck twiddling my thumbs

[pastel jolt]

quoi

[lean swift]

@pastel jolt Yep see that

[pastel jolt]

yeah, you're under a chaos curse, that's not a bug

all of chaos's boons have a curse and a blessing; you have to endure a few rooms under whatever curse condition it has before you get the effects of the blessing

[lean swift]

@pastel jolt 🔥

[lament lava]

also i dont know where to put this so im just gonna say it here

one thing that really helps me with enjoying the same tedious boss fights over and over is the kickass music

[stray frigate]

wtf

[pastel jolt]

this is still my favourite youtube comment on any of the hades OST

[stray frigate]

i absolutley sure yesterday there was some subtitles already translated

now they are back to english

[lament lava]

my favourite track so far is probably The Painful Way

when that metal kicks in

[balmy glen]

Hi all!
Thanks for this game. She is wonderful. Sorry, my english language is poor.
I am Russian. Please add trade (vendor) sale darkness to gemstones.

[lament lava]

btw, i gotta say

[stray frigate]

@balmy glen #hades-feedback для игровых предложений

[lament lava]

is it wrong of me to think that Chaos will be a boss at some point

like is it just me or does Chaos radiate powerful JRPG boss energy

[hollow sorrel]

Chaos would have been the surprise final fantasy boss, that pops in at the end of the game

[lament lava]

i mean he is already the game's equivalent of the devil deal

[hollow sorrel]

like, surprise, it wasn't the emperor you've been fighting for 50 hours, it's really this weird alien thing called Zeromus, I mean Chaos. Edit: Necron sort of looks like Chaos, and unexpected popped in at the very end of the game as a surprise final boss

[lament lava]

but then Golbez-- i mean Thanatos comes to your aid to help you

[balmy glen]

No access for this

[stray frigate]

@balmy glen read pins

waaaaaaaait does spearmen can hit through shield?

[rocky vigil]

They have a piercing attack, yeah

[stray frigate]

ohno

[rocky vigil]

Yeaaaaah it's rough. Spearmen are my least favourite of the ||Elysium|| warriors aside from the shield warriors

[stray frigate]

shieldman are okay

u just run right into him

when he dash

u dash too

[rocky vigil]

That or getting the piercing upgrades on weapons helps

[stray frigate]

and u avoid his aoe and have access to his opened back

[hollow sorrel]

i just run right in front of a shield guy, then dash behind him

he'll dash attack

[inner heath]

https://imgur.com/120DZjm

Doing a no-heat run because trying to finish my Fated List. This build...5 shot the final boss. 3 shots to beat the first form and 2 to beat the second. I truly love it.

[rocky vigil]

Whoaaa nice!

[river pier]

@floral sedge on higher heat you most likely will use darkness cap and you say goodbye to rarity buffs, so olympian keepsakes are pretty viable

[stray frigate]

@river pier lol who ever use it one of the worst pact thing

[river pier]

I play on hell mode where 2500 cap is by default

[rocky vigil]

Any tips on how to survive to the higher tiers in high heat runs? Trying to get 16+ heat but I'm trying to optimize for the most survivable (no Hell mode just regular)

[river pier]

and I reduce it to 1000 manually

[full flame]

that sounds miserable, i love my mirror

never take that pact

[rocky vigil]

Lol same

Though I did beat Meg without the mirror just to prove her wrong

[full flame]

but i'm a filthy casual

[inner heath]

Same. It'll probably be the last pact I ever take on that

I currently run with +50% move and attack, boss buff, and extra regular spawns

[river pier]

for me infinite darkness feels like casual mode, I think it should not allow that much
2500 is enough for everything but rarity and rerolls
I use 1000 so I reduce death defiances count to 1

It's not like something changes in gameplay because core mirror upgrades stay maxed

[inner heath]

If you enjoy the challenge, that absolutely makes sense

Just not something for me. I love having all of the cool abilities and bonuses

[river pier]

that was not what I'm saying

[inner heath]

Not following, then

[zenith badge]

Hey did anyone else notice when you leave the first floor the little dots mess up when showing you going to the second floor? Does anyone get what I'm saying it's hard to explain.

[snow tangle]

Does the last mirror upgrade even have a cap?

[rocky vigil]

@zenith badge The animation glitch? Yeah I know what you mean

[snow tangle]

You're crazy if you think I'm grinding 4k darkness for that garbage

[full flame]

wait

[zenith badge]

@rocky vigil yeah that one XD

[rocky vigil]

The path messes up and then corrects itself while it's going up

[full flame]

you still have to give up other stuff besides rarity/rerolls at 2500

[river pier]

There is a difference between "I want more challenges" and "The game kills the challenge"

[radiant basin]

is demeter's legendary causing anyone else to lag out on bosses when it triggers?

since the most recent patch I think

[unkempt pagoda]

fated authority has a max of 10 rerolls

[inner heath]

I think you're assuming other people's perspectives/opinions on challenge is the same as yours

[full flame]

everything not including rarity/rerolls is over 4k darkness

[inner heath]

People may still find it challenging even with that stuff

[unkempt pagoda]

@radiant basin it's the WIP presentation they mentioned in the last patch in patch notes

[rocky vigil]

@zenith badge I'll bring it up in feedback

[river pier]

@inner heath there is god mode for that

[radiant basin]

Ohh I see, thank you!

[unkempt pagoda]

👍

[river pier]

Make it god mode option and it'd be pretty fine

[pastel jolt]

@rocky vigil I'll bring it up in feedback Do you mean the path thing?

[rocky vigil]

Yeah the animation path glitch

[inner heath]

I think forcing people to either continually progressive damage reduction or almost no mirror is two very different things, and having an in between is fine

especially since everyone can adjust the difficulty to how they want it in the current form

Nothing is forced

[rocky vigil]

Or if that's the wrong place then please direct me to the right place

[full flame]

@river pier even at 0 death defiances you're at 2,495 darkness, what else do you give up?

[pastel jolt]

That would be better-suited for an F10 in-game!

[full flame]

or does Hell Mode mirror have different costs?

[rocky vigil]

Ah awesome! Thank you @pastel jolt

[pastel jolt]

The feedback channel is for feedback regarding your gameplay experience; bug reports should be done by pressing F10 ingame when they happen

[river pier]

@inner heath That's why I don't like the concept of god mode
The best practice for me is Celeste. It has "Assist mode" where you can change dashes count, give invulnerability, slow time etc - each point manually

[last nacelle]

I had to give up a strawberry in Celeste recently. On level 3, it's the first one I missed that wasn't a secret.

[river pier]

So I kinda wondering why Hades have customizable buffs and customizable difficulty but does not have Celeste-like assist mode

[inner heath]

Agreed, but I think it's a fine option to have, because it's an option (celeste is awesome). Just like the mirror and the pact are options. I think anything that forces a particular difficulty won't be as fun for as many people. Especially for a SuperGiant game and not a company like Formsoft that's known for hard difficulty

[last nacelle]

Hades isn't designed from principles like Celeste is.

[teal laurel]

Give me a gameplay option where I finish the game with no boons OR darkness

[river pier]

Fromsoftware does not make hard games, it makes crooked games

[teal laurel]

let me hit that phat gamer mode

[river pier]

Fix garbage rolls, fix huge bosses models which always break the cam, fix broken hitboxes, and fromsoft game becomes casual

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[full flame]

@river pier are you also giving up bonus starting health/money?

[river garden]

ah yes the contrarian in chat

[teal laurel]

I fully believe that the ability to beat the game boonless should warrant special interaction with hades

[pastel jolt]

🅱️oonless pizza

[last nacelle]

Beef boys are too much damage sponges to beat the game boonless unless you headwallbash.

[unkempt pagoda]

can we pin that

[inner heath]

So what do you do when you run into boons only doors? reset? Or are you not actually trying this challenge?

[unkempt pagoda]

reroll into a non-boon thing

[full flame]

mini-bosses are always boons, guaranteed

you have to find a way to skip mini-boss encounters

[last nacelle]

Boonless wings is when you grab a Hermes boon but No Choice 2 forces you to take Drift Dash.

[river pier]

@full flame money too, yes

[last nacelle]

You can purge boons, you know.

[river pier]

Money mirror upgrade gives like nothing for a lot of darkness, idk

[full flame]

eh it's worth about 100 health

[solid cairn]

are you kidding me

I lost a death defiance because of tisiphone shrinking the room and making my sisyphus drops inaccessibke

[full flame]

yep, made that mistake before

[brisk island]

Final boss: || Hades || could be detected by Demeter's Cast, btw useless spell. l'm curious how "Rapid Cast" interact with it - don't spoiler to me yet thanks.
Might be it will not that useless - problem in very slow rotate & short lifespan, while most enemies in game love jump around really fast in result player potentially can't deny area & deal significant damage.

[river pier]

why tisiphone is kidding cinder

[full flame]

critical to watch placement of bouldy in that fight before the last phase

[river pier]

why everyone is whining that demeter's cast is useless

it's ok, especially with duo

[full flame]

it's not useless, but it is underwhelming compared to other casts

[tulip parcel]

imo the beam is kinda weak since it doesnt apply her chill status either

[river pier]

I like it more than saws when you don't play full cast build

[full flame]

it either needs to apply chill in some fashion, or pierce enemies in my opinion and would be much more comparable

[river pier]

'cause saws are garbage without pull, +radius and legendary

[radiant basin]

Saws got improved I think

they are bigger and follow enemies

[naive tusk]

Hello! Could anyone tell me what does the debuff (which makes the screen borders green) do?

I haven’t been able to find out

[tulip parcel]

thats poison right?

you get damaged over time?

[river pier]

but the turrets can deal damage with way easier requirements (just keep mob on the line )

[full flame]

blades by themselves are better than crystals bc of the fact they are AoE

[naive tusk]

It’s a debuff the final boss gives

[full flame]

and there's multiple ways to buff blades

[pastel jolt]

that's Boiling Blood

[naive tusk]

No damage over time I noticed

[pastel jolt]

it's the same thing zag gets through the mirror!

[river pier]

boiling blood is +damage taken

[pastel jolt]

you'll take more damage while hades has a cast stuck to you

[naive tusk]

Ah, I see. Thanks very much!

[full flame]

100% more damage i believe

[naive tusk]

How did you guys find out? 😮

[radiant basin]

It has combat text that says boiling blood when you get hit by the skull

[full flame]

which is the same as what you give enemies when you stick a bloodstone in them, except hades' is stronger

[river pier]

dad's cast

[brisk island]

@river pier huh. so it (her cast) has a duo, l'm try get it. - but default anyway sucks.

[naive tusk]

With the mirror upgrade, right?

[full flame]

correct

[naive tusk]

Wow, nice touch to make it like father like son

[river pier]

even more while playing with spear

[pastel jolt]

it took me so long to realise why hades is the only boss in the game to have a second health bar

as opposed to a different phase as his health depletes

it's because he's got death defiance as well

[dreamy oxide]

!

[river pier]

lol

[dreamy oxide]

you just blew my mind

[pastel jolt]

you deplete his health and he gets back up and keeps fighting

[brisk island]

@pastel jolt "god of [REDACTED]" after all 😂 😂

[pastel jolt]

god of the dead, actually, there's a difference ;P

[naive tusk]

Wasn’t Thanatos God of Death?

[brisk island]

damn.

[last nacelle]

Hades is the god of wealth, too.

[naive tusk]

So that’s why Charon likes to be in the Underworld 😂

[unkempt pagoda]

there's a meaningful difference between death and dying

it means than doesn't have to do paperwork

[last nacelle]

Hypnos is the god of unhelpful advice.

[lament lava]

basically

[full flame]

Have you tried not standing on the spike traps?

[lament lava]

than makes sure people do the die

and hades does the paperwork pf dying

basically than is death

and Hades is what happens after death

if that makes any sense

[naive tusk]

It does

[last nacelle]

Dude, what if you just killed all of the mortals at once. It would save so much time.

[naive tusk]

Thanatos is the one that sends them to Hades

[lament lava]

Hades is more like the god of the afterlife

[full flame]

that was my favorite

[feral wagon]

since humankind already at 7.5 billions pure tanatos have alot to do

[lament lava]

Thanatos*

the extra H stands for hAMAAAZING

[feral wagon]

ty secretary

[teal laurel]

what the hades is Zagreus then

god of dying horribly?

[lament lava]

nobody gonna acknowledge my Kid Icarus quote

[last nacelle]

Zagreus walks into a crowded city.
Thanatos noise.
Thanatos: It's time for another little contest.

[full flame]

god of lost causes

[broken cipher]

The god of talking back to Hades.

[last nacelle]

God of bantz

[teal laurel]

god of teenage angst

[lament lava]

god of looking cool

[last nacelle]

According to Alecto, Zagreus is the god of trash. According to Orpheus, Zagreus is the god of wine and intoxication.

[feral wagon]

||in a dialog with teseus or whatever he called. they make a state, thats zag is probably the god of blood||

[lament lava]

i mean

iirc, in real mythos

Zagreus was a roman god

of sorts

that kinda got half carried over into greek mythology

[feral wagon]

this game based on greeks

[lament lava]

like he was sorta

a half forgotten roman god

[last nacelle]

In Dota 2, Ares changed his name to Mars out of teenage angst towards his father.

[feral wagon]

name similarity is probably just coisedence

are we talkin bout dota2 which is practicly 2 out of 10 in lore section?

[last nacelle]

The real Dota 2 lore is the history of the teams and players.

[lament lava]

i mean

Zagreus is memtioned in real mythos to be a sort of

precursor to Dionysus

[last nacelle]

The International 2018 was literally an anime plotline playing out in real life.

[lament lava]

a proto-dionysus so to speak

so Orpheus' comments check out

[last nacelle]

God of trolling Orpheus.

[feral wagon]

was there internationals after ti13?

[lament lava]

so does the in game story of him being the son of Persephone

[last nacelle]

Zagreus focused his efforts on Orpheus because he knew the efforts would disperse via the song he eventually created.

Everybody in the house gets to hear the ludicrous nonsense tale of Zagreus.

[teal laurel]

wait

im confused

he was what

[lament lava]

i mean

depending on mythos

Zagreus is either described as the son of Hades and Persephone

or described as the first wine and feasting god, before Dionysus

where Zagreus gets killed by Titans

and is reborn as Dionysus

so what Orpheus says calling him the god of wine and intoxication

could be a reference to that mythos

[solid cairn]

what boons do you want with guan yu?

[last nacelle]

Defense, lots.

[solid cairn]

so aphro would be good

[feral wagon]

more then boons, you want to increase your hp

[solid cairn]

aphro attack?

[boreal prism]

I think one of the furies says that zag bleeds red, maybe it's wine in his veins

[dreamy oxide]

yeah Alecto loves to call him Redblood

[unkempt pagoda]

i've been running a lot of demeter with guan yu, works really well so far

[solid cairn]

you pretty much need rank 5 right

[unkempt pagoda]

nah, i only have it rank 2 rn

[lament lava]

bro

obviously Zagreus is the murder of murder

[solid cairn]

ok I have an idea

I'm gonna turn my ambrosia into blood to get it to level 3 then beat it at 0 heat to get the prophecy that gives me the ambrosia back

big brain

[paper timber]

pretty much what I did ^

[solid cairn]

massive spin

Y E S

bro this feels like a heavy weapon

I think I am in love with this weapon

[paper timber]

I forgot which one it was, but one of Daedalus' hammer upgrades gives you %125 damage and a larger spin range. It's sooo OP

[unkempt pagoda]

guan yu gang rise up

[solid cairn]

I stepped on a trap and half my health is gone pog

[unkempt pagoda]

but that's okay you can gain it all back 😎

[solid cairn]

is sisyphus still the best companion? Should I spend my ambro on dusa

[paper timber]

1+ health each spin attack hit is amazing

[feral wagon]

its more if you charge it

[paper timber]

Oh I just remembered the Daedalus upgrades I had. One made charge time faster and the other was the 125% one I talked about earlier.

[solid cairn]

this is gonna be such a banger at max level

[rocky vigil]

@rocky cave It should interact it's probably more like it'll spawn at the end of the shot

Some boon casts synergize with the Hera aspect better than others (Aphrodite, Poseidon, etc)

[unkempt pagoda]

see the best thing about guan yu is that it's the regular spear but just better

so you can put any build on it

[feral wagon]

h8 its atack pattern

[solid cairn]

hades aspect is now truly obsolete

[unkempt pagoda]

of course spin build slaps but spin build always slaps

[solid cairn]

guan yu takes the spin build to a new level

[unkempt pagoda]

serrated edge + quick spin build SLAPS

[paper timber]

but very low hp so don't turn 800% on traps and run into a spike

[solid cairn]

standard attacks feel so meaty

[paper timber]

I know. The second attack takes like 2 seconds to use.

[solid cairn]

I have a friend who mains hades spear

trying to get him to use guan yu

[unkempt pagoda]

the key is to mix dash-strikes and spins into your playstyle

with the occasional special or cast as range

[feral wagon]

its more easier. just play you would normally do, then once there 2-3-4 mobs left, heal of em all HP you lost

[paper timber]

Um can I say the name of one of the "further" places in this chat room?

[unkempt pagoda]

yes, spoilers are allowed here

[paper timber]

Alright so Guan Yu is REALLY OP in the Elysium because you can farm for HP from the sword, bow, spear, and shield dudes

Like if you leave one left at the end, you can kill it and let it respawn over and over.

[green sable]

ive not gotten it....yet

[paper timber]

rip get it now 3 titan's blood

[green sable]

I just finished hades...but then....suprise i didn't

[rocky vigil]

Does anyone have any tips on getting the Defiance boon from Chaos?

Haven't had any luck so far

[green sable]

just run it till it gives

[unkempt pagoda]

get at least one chaos boon first

[green sable]

thats what i did for Demeter

[unkempt pagoda]

then it's rng

[green sable]

I keep thinking most of this is rng-jesus at work

[paper timber]

yeah

[green sable]

Theres some things i never can get

[rocky vigil]

Might just do a no-heat cosmic egg run and keep going till I get it from them

[green sable]

i managed to finish the game with the sword and spear so far

Arti she sure can hand out the crit power

the sword had great life steal till it got nixed to

[paper timber]

I feel like some of artemis' boons aren't that good, like one of them was an epic for 5% crit chance for all attacks.

[green sable]

meh yeh but the spear with the explody shot really makes it nice

[full flame]

@rocky vigil make sure to check wells for the item that will spawn a chaos gate and always buy it

[solid cairn]

welp I have quick spin massive spin

if only this wasn't 0 heat

[paper timber]

mhm but still, it's just a 5% chance, which was less than a common that was 15% for standard attacks

[green sable]

im still trying to find the interest in bow....i mean i keep wanting to love it but its meh atm

[rocky vigil]

@full flame Thank you!

[solid cairn]

this is so broken

[paper timber]

OH NO IT'S ACTUALLY REALLY GOOD

[thick sedge]

artemis best girl
but yeah she has a couple not great boons

[latent marsh]

Is there something I have to do to get Demeter to show? I've done prolly 6-8 runs since update and not once yet lol, like Im not the best at the game, I've only gotten to Hades 3x in my 20-25x runs so far, almost won once

or just bad rng on my part

[paper timber]

bow is really amazing with the right upgrades

[solid cairn]

demeter was the first thing I saw

but it took me a while to find her again and gift her

then I accidentally didn't gift her

[green sable]

my first time with the new cold thing loaded i got nothing but demeter to show up...litterally 4 or 5 times in a row

[solid cairn]

then I had to find her a third time

[latent marsh]

odd lol

[green sable]

Then poof she didn't show up for 3 more times in a row lol

[paper timber]

I got daedalus' hammer with bow twice and used triple shot and (I forgot what it was called) the one that bounces from different targets/off of walls.

I could spam it in a corner and kill everything with ease.

[green sable]

id love to see more hammer upgrades on the bow so i won't feel it sucks

[latent marsh]

Bow is definitely my favorite weapon so far, I like both Chiron and Hera setups

but I tend to like ranged setups in action games more normally

[green sable]

The gun thingy also tries my patience

[latent marsh]

im not a huge fan of the rail

[paper timber]

ehh rail is umm...

[latent marsh]

i want to try and do a few runs with the reload gives X to next attack setup

but even that seems meh

[green sable]

i did once get that upgrade for 3 bombs at once but meh

[paper timber]

I don't know how to explain the rail it isn't that good.

[green sable]

Then the cluster bomb to....omg nu

[latent marsh]

Ive seen some people get pretty nice runs with the 20% for 8sec after standing in your bomb explosion radius

but I dont like that setup playstyle much

[full flame]

Hestia rail is one of the strongest weapons no question

[green sable]

ive not seen the hestia

[latent marsh]

thats the reload?

[full flame]

Yes

[paper timber]

I get it could be strong but I just don't like it, I'd rather use bow.

[latent marsh]

I only have level 1 on that aspect(I only have levl 1 on anything Ive unlocked so far)

[full flame]

It's so strong maxed out

[green sable]

id have to do a run with the hestia gun but id have to get it first

[full flame]

150 damage shot

[paper timber]

Oh yeah that reminds me, I was dumb and thought that each of the aspects would work with each other, so I bought a bunch of them with my precious titan blood.

[full flame]

With zero boons

[latent marsh]

Yeah I want to max it before I really testt it, of all the aspects that one seemed like one that definitely needs its upgrades

[green sable]

Lemme go see what i got going

[latent marsh]

I just wanted to unlock everything first for variety and then max my few favorite

and then I realized I don't get titan blood as often as I thought I would be lol

[green sable]

lol titans blood is kind of rate.

[latent marsh]

I was just cruising getting mroe and more each time I finished first floor with a new weapon and it took me some time to realize those are a 1 time reward

[green sable]

err rare

[full flame]

Yeah, better to pick something and Max it, then grind out blood for the next one

[latent marsh]

I had it in my head that I'd be getting one like, 50% of the time I finished first zone

[paper timber]

Yep, kinda screwed myself over with that lel.

[green sable]

well you could always start a whole new campaign

[latent marsh]

I actually might just start a 2nd file and max out one specific one

ya

lol

[green sable]

but then that sounds like a bad idea lol

[paper timber]

ooh yeah

I was actually thinking of starting a new one once the full game was released.

[latent marsh]

20-25x runs of mirror/etc upgrades isn't that awful for me to catch back up

[green sable]

You get like 3 or so main tries

[latent marsh]

and my first 5-10 runs were like, awful lol

learning things

[green sable]

i had 63 tries before finishing this game....6 freaking 3

[paper timber]

oh my

[full flame]

Dedication!

[latent marsh]

If I kept going at it with just using Chiron or Hera bow, teh only weapons that are feeling good to me right now, I'm confident I could finish it in another 5-10 runs

[paper timber]

mhm losing multiple times but still going at it, that's respectable.

[latent marsh]

I had Hades to 1/3 his final life last night with a Dio+Zeus Hera bow setup

[green sable]

I wanted to see the end...and guess what i saw it alright...

[paper timber]

agh that reminds me I died to hades on 1 MORE SHOT WITH BOW and I could've gotten titan blood

I'm not even joking

I was 1 shot away from killing him

[green sable]

My personal fav set up atm is arti crit boons with explody spear

[latent marsh]

I think Hades had 2 or 3 more "shots" from me, but my "shots" were fully loaded with 4 cast hera-bow shots

[green sable]

thats what makes me go yay

[latent marsh]

so 4x festive fog damage+zeus thunder procs lol

[green sable]

i could never get the boons i wanted from those 23

err 2

[latent marsh]

I got fairly lucky with that run

[green sable]

my runs are almost always get darkness..then key..then darkness again

then key

like that

[latent marsh]

I don't hate those runs cause I still need all those resources too but if I get unlucky like that I mentally just accept that I'm gonna let the run go into the ground eventually

[paper timber]

my runs are get chaos boon, accidentally run into charon and can't buy anything, then find dionysus

[latent marsh]

I dont try super hard to play it super well

[green sable]

not kidding thats how it was for ALOT of them

[latent marsh]

and I might even just pick up extra currency just to max out

[green sable]

being broke is the main pain of my runs to.

[latent marsh]

and let the run die around hydra or into zone3

I start almost all my runs with coin purse lol

[green sable]

im still trying to quick kill that freaking hydra

[latent marsh]

i dont have any summons unlocked yet

[green sable]

would any of you know how to unlock those keyed boxes by chance?

[latent marsh]

so idk if I can do it without god-tier rng

[rocky vigil]

I do

[green sable]

i didn't know we had summons.

[paper timber]

hydra is the only boss I ever die to multiple times to because it's, umm, yeah I dunno it's a hydra

[latent marsh]

Hydra I'm slowly gettting better at

[green sable]

those wonky gold plated things never open

[latent marsh]

I run into problems if I don't have like a general gameplan for how I'm going to handle the heads, but normally by that point my build is coming together (unless I'm just getting currencies then I don't even get mad if I lose a life to hydra because I'm not rly trying to get to hades)

[green sable]

Hydra don't bother me much if i got my fav set up...when i don't

it upsets me beyond words lol

[paper timber]

I don't ever come up with a plan to deal with the heads because I believe in the power of RNG

[green sable]

ya

i try to

[ruby current]

demeter cast helps a lot with hydras

[paper timber]

Wait nvm I've played rogue games before so I have some practice in dealing with things I'm terrible at dodging.

[ruby current]

tank builds

[solid cairn]

ok guan yu is level 4 now

[green sable]

lets see

just bought the hestia upgrade....

[rocky cave]

@rocky vigil yeah you were spot on, it was actually pretty hilarious. thanks :D

[rocky vigil]

Happy to help! A big part of the fun of the weapons is experimenting and seeing what works best for you

[green sable]

Well im trying to actually get somewhere you know

[paper timber]

to elysium?

[green sable]

just got the poster of Love goddess herself.

[paper timber]

dangit, I need that

[green sable]

costed 120 of those green gems

[paper timber]

I gotta do it

[green sable]

im going to try the hestia upgrade with the gun

[paper timber]

I have to buy the aphrodite poster

[green sable]

i just did..

[paper timber]

It's the most important contractor item in the game

[solid cairn]

I have heroic arte special on guan yu

324 damage crits

[paper timber]

bruh

[green sable]

nice

[paper timber]

On normal or spin attack?

wait why did I ask that lelelel

[solid cairn]

special builds on guan exist confirmed

[radiant basin]

Erebus gates dont give something extra for boons right like there's not really a way to?

As in, they give extra money

[rocky vigil]

It's more of an all-or-nothing from my understanding?

Either you get something good or you get basically nothing at all

[green sable]

now that hestia shot is really nice

[full flame]

The rarity of boons in infernal gates are higher

[green sable]

the constantly needing to re-load sucks tho

[full flame]

Yeah Hestia takes some practice and probably remapping buttons to something easier, but it's worth

[fierce iron]

I just couldn't see anyone using R3 to reload the rail period, so L1 it was

[full flame]

I use L3

Since I use the stick for movement anyways

[fierce iron]

Sounds decent enough I'd say

[solid cairn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392070250511728653/670856232029913098/unknown.png nice

[fierce iron]

right analog stick really isn't used for much

like at all

[paper timber]

@solid cairn nice

[solid cairn]

[full flame]

Oh you sweet summer child

[green sable]

nice

[steep sentinel]

Sometimes I can't tell if something was a bug or I wasn't paying attention lol. Like I'm 80% certain I went into a chaos gate at full health (with the keepsake) and when I took the -health curse my total went down to the expected 53 but my actual health was at 8. And this was like the third chamber in the game. I'm pretty certain I didn't step on a trap or something but I don't know if it's possible to confirm it.

[green sable]

hmm

[livid comet]

yoooo

I had the best run yet

is there a quick way to show the final build in a given run??

because it only shows like the top 5

[faint sonnet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/651179632120430596/670863446824321024/unknown.png

[sinful arrow]

Aside from pinning every single boon and taking multiple screenshots, I don't think so

[faint sonnet]

h

[livid comet]

rip

https://imgur.com/a/R1SNaRT

well here it is

got an epic Greatest reflex

with the athena dash

super handy, let me blitz through stuff in melee

[green sable]

nice hun

got the gaun yu thing on the spear....finally im going to try a run with it now

[livid comet]

noice

also is it just me or does guan yu moveset kinda suck?

[karmic coyote]

the attack is slow and weird because Zag only poke people with it and not slash but moon cutter makes up for all that

[livid comet]

does it?

does it really

[north hedge]

Absoluetly

[fierce iron]

Ye

[north hedge]

just needs a hammer or two

[fierce iron]

Moon Cutter goes through obstacles and such, returns HP, covers decent area

Quick Spin definitely helps

[livid comet]

aight

@north hedge ayy that's the Majin class from Disgaea!

[north hedge]

Indeed it is. D6 when

[livid comet]

who knows

[north hedge]

That said, I'm very sad they stopped using Majin and replaced it with Cyborg from 4 on

I think in DD2 as well

[solid cairn]

guan yu op

[livid comet]

build and play style?

me too stoike

[north hedge]

Quick Spin + Big Spin

EZ life

[solid cairn]

guan yu is very risk reward

[livid comet]

so.... spin to win?

[north hedge]

I tend to grab Dion on atk

or granny

[livid comet]

Oooh, how bout Athena deflect on atk

[solid cairn]

I am dumb and go Aphro attack

[north hedge]

Zeus doesn't multi proc, neither does Pos. Ares doesn't boost atk or get much from multi hitting.

[solid cairn]

special builds are kind of doable

[green sable]

no but that doom sure is nice

[solid cairn]

just a bit of a waste

[north hedge]

I think attack speed affects how often your beyblade hits too

[shell belfry]

guan yu’s 3 hit dash strike build can be great too

[north hedge]

true

[green sable]

i got that hermes spc attack up by 30% and the power shows

its epic

[fierce iron]

Last Guan Yu run had deflect on attack, though it eventually changed into a blade rift run oddly enough

[solid cairn]

Guan Yu isn't bad at all

[green sable]

im using it right now

[livid comet]

isn't there a prophecy for getting to the surface with it?

[solid cairn]

yes

2 ambrosia

so might as well

[livid comet]

do you have to beat hades for it or just get to hades?

[shell belfry]

guan yunlikely need 2~3 hammer upgrade to be perfect so, it’s easy to use aespect

[north hedge]

just get to hades

[solid cairn]

you actually don't need to beat him

[livid comet]

sweeeet

guess I know what I'm doing next

hm. should I grab athena early...

[green sable]

i has 30 health total since using gaun yu

[solid cairn]

I have it level 4

[north hedge]

The low health isn't reall a big deal to be honest

since the heals

[solid cairn]

only bad with trap damage

like spikes one shotting you

[green sable]

ya

[north hedge]

mm. Or his beam can cause some pain if the pillars hate you for a second or two

[solid cairn]

guan yu seriously makes hades aspect obsolete

it's better for spins

[fierce iron]

I'd have to agree, lol

the bonus given by Hades Aspect just isn't enough

[solid cairn]

I have a friend who mains hades aspect

trying to convert him to guan yu

[livid comet]

ok, so got daedalus with gy

massive spin, extending jab, breaching skewer

what do

[steep sentinel]

Sometimes the sword makes me want to break my monitor

[livid comet]

don't do that

[final latch]

imagine doing 5k every special
https://imgur.com/a/60nudPm

[fierce iron]

Massive Spin would be the way I think

[livid comet]

aight

[fierce iron]

just anything to buff it up a bit

[livid comet]

artemis or no?

artemis or coin

have athena dash atm

[fierce iron]

I imagine Artemis special might help if it comes down to it, or maybe Pressure Points

I wouldn't get attack if it shows up though

Athena dash will be REALLY nice if you're dash-canceling your spin charging

[green sable]

ya

[livid comet]

OOH

DIO ATK

yea or nay

[north hedge]

I really like it

[livid comet]

atk, special or call on gy

[north hedge]

Well the beyblade hits 3-5 times

usually

[karmic coyote]

call

[livid comet]

...omg

I've made a monster

welp

I lost all my defiances to meg

[fierce iron]

Ouch

[green sable]

oopsie

[broken cipher]

Sword is fun. I say this as a person who is terrible at anything that isn't Sword. And still not good at even that.

[livid comet]

oh. holy crap

gy was the easiest hydra kill I've ever had

[fierce iron]

Sword can be alright, Poseidon Aspect is pretty meaty

Zag Aspect is also kinda fun imo

[livid comet]

welp. died to carriages but that was much better than expected

[green sable]

that gaun yu spear while great the hp nix is to harsh on me lol

[shell belfry]

using sword for me mean i mostly have to spam special so i actually don’t feel ;ike i’m using sword

[green sable]

my first win was with that sword.

[steep sentinel]

It was my last win

[green sable]

im going to try to win with the shield now

[steep sentinel]

It always feels like you're trapped in an attack animation when you need to gtfo

Came in confident against final boss at 100% health and got wrecked lol