when it shows up
#h1-builds-and-combat
manic dune
livid comet
normal?
lament coral
normal or hell mode
livid comet
as in unheated?
manic dune
if you're playing on normal everything on the mirror is worth it
livid comet
o_0
lament coral
what Kuche said
manic dune
i just found out you can get a ton of keys
lament coral
Poseidon with Artemis cast
turbid needle
What did you say you had?
manic dune
by just giving chaos a few nectars
turbid needle
Zeus Attack and Flurry Slash?
lament coral
weird combo
turbid needle
Aphrodite and Athena.
Not really any Duos that synergize super well, but you want defense.
Nemesis and Flurry Slash is super squishy.
lament coral
Nemesis only buffs your weapon attack
turbid needle
That being said, your current set-up will shred if you can stay alive.
turbid needle
Yeah, but Flurry Slash makes you attack a lot very quickly and they have Lightning Strike.
livid comet
I also have urge to kill
lament coral
yeah yeah, that's definitely synergy with Zeus
turbid needle
Could always switch it out or pick up a Chaos boon, too.
turbid needle
Anyway, there's not a lot of Duos that I can think of that would work directly off that, but you could also shoot for Splitting Bolt.
livid comet
which is?
manic dune
splitting bolt would be pretty nice if you get it
livid comet
Zeus-Ares?
turbid needle
Zeus Legendary, additional lightning bolt for every one you summon.
livid comet
huh.
turbid needle
So you get two hits for every slash.
livid comet
aight, so I should stick with the zeus keepsake for now then
livid comet
or do the olympian keepsakes only work at the start of the run?
livid comet
yeah.
turbid needle
You get better rolls as long as you hold them, and when you switch to one mid-run you get a forced spawn.
livid comet
ok, might grab athena or hermes keepsake for that then
livid comet
gah it feels like I need to go all in to zeus
turbid needle
Zeus is one of the Olympians that requires you to spec heavily into him, but it absolutely pays off.
tranquil vigil
anyone has best boons for shield build?
turbid needle
Athena/Ares, Doom on Attack or Special, if Attack you want Sudden Rush, if Special you want Explosive Return and Dread Flight, Divine Dash, Merciful End.
tranquil vigil
and how can i use titan blood for upgrade
tall whale
is there a cap on the god mode damage resistance?
teal laurel
woeful stirrup
God mode cap is 80%.
tall whale
i'm kinda liking shield, fits my more defensive playstyle, and feels like it can knockback shielded enemies?
turbid needle
anyone else have issues getting quick recovery to proc? i feel like the window is too tight to make any use of it
lament coral
well, it does say right after you take damage
turbid needle
i get that but it feels like it's at around 10 frames or so which is so little unless you're actively planning for it and keeping a dash banked at all times
first time i've taken it bc i've been avoiding it for this exact reason
woeful stirrup
Well, you know, being able to heal for 40% of damage taken would be pretty OP if the condition was easy to fulfill.
turbid needle
sure but it feels too tight imo and becomes virtually useless with my slothful reflexes
rancid shore
Maybe I'm weird in this way, but I don't treat that as something to try to proc
I treat it as "hey that dash timed right coincidentally! less damage! yay!"
lament coral
tbh, I never take it either
wind vale
am i just very unlucky or is dual shot(=burst shot) now unavailable with either dionysus cast or hera bow(not sure which since i generally use them together)?
would be a pretty hard nerf to this even with the new dio demeter duo
left timber
It's so goofy when support fire orbits an enemy instead of hitting them
rocky sage
Ever since the update i get a ton of fps drops and it ruins every run and makes the game unbearable since its so fast pace
granite lava
@rocky sage when does it happen?
rocky sage
usually towards the end of a region
a lot in boss fights
but can also just happen randomly
granite lava
what is cursed slash?
oh, hammer upgrade
yeah 1 hp per hit for -70% max hp is terrible
manic dune
i got it once to tick it off the minor prophecies
granite lava
@manic dune what do you think about this :
manic dune
worst run ever
manic dune
i got wrecked by rats and lazers, couldn't even reach hades
the rest of my build was kinda bad but... it just didn't really do anything positive for me besides chunking my health pool
1hp per hit all it does it lets you top off you health on easy rooms
granite lava
yeah but thats a lot better than 1 hp per hit for 70% max hp
manic dune
1hp per hit really isn't that useful
easily replaced by... having your hp top off after easy rooms (silver laurels)
granite lava
it was like 5% lifesteal on the previous patch, right?
manic dune
i don't think 70% max hp cost is necessarily the issue here
i know they changed it
not sure why sword is kinda bad, it could use some love
granite lava
yeah 5% is too much, you can just ignore any damage
manic dune
right now it's all risk no reward
before it had both... idk you can't convince me the current state is better
granite lava
its terrible from all aspects
if it was a sword aspect
why not
1/2/3/4/5 flat hp per hit
manic dune
that would be redundant with the guano spear
it doesn't really offer that much gameplay difference idk
if there were a lot of aspects or if it was in a vacuum why not
tropic cargo
-% max HP is just way too punishing considering how valuable HP is in the game to protect against getting bursted and all other healing scaling of HP, from Death Defiance to end of level healing Pools, to Well of Charon Items. Even if Cursed Blade healed for an OP 10 HP+ per attack, that doesn't matter when Hades just oneshots you with each attack on high Heat with -70% HP.
the best way to increase your sustain is to increase your max HP. So imo the current design of these Life Steal upgrades reducing your max HP do the opposite of what they are supposed to do, by massively reducing your resustain capability, while also making you drastically more likely to drop Death Defiance's from bursts when you otherwise wouldn't have.
rugged estuary
I took the cursed upgrade once and lost a run that I would have otherwise 100% won. It is awful now.
Demeter cast is interesting, it's pretty bad on it's own but quite good with the duo.
turbid needle
is it possible to view your boons outside of victory?
unborn trellis
back button on xbox controller
unborn trellis
👋
burnt rune
the thing with HP reduction on sword to me is that sword is the weapon which you most risk taking damage, since it has such a short range (and that makes life steal valuable to it); while it makes sense to not allow you to break 250HP, have 3-4 defiances AND life steal, requiring you to use the normal attack (the shortest one, and less mobile one) to life steal also naturally will make you take more damage
or maybe I just suck with sword in general
gaunt ridge
With the latest hotfix the lifesteal was also nerfed, wasn't it?
burnt rune
tl;dr add the effect to the dash attack too
yeah, because before it almost made you immortal
gaunt ridge
It went from like 1 or 2% of damage to flat 1
I'm relatively new and have just picked up the game three days ago, but it's super fun :D I try to mainly play with the sword for now
burnt rune
maybe make the value different for each one of the three slashes of the normal attack combo (1/2/4 or something)
gaunt ridge
Am I correct to assume that the generally most damaging dps loop is two attacks cancelled into one special, repeat?
*For the sword. The long thrust is quite slow and doesn't seem like it's super worth it unless you have the daedalus upgrade
burnt rune
depends on your boons and hammers
you can dash cancel special, immediatelly go for two or three attacks then special again in a smooth combo too
azure wraith
I don't see why chaos shield is so good, I must not be building it right
I'm still new and I recognize that when my builds are good they are often for reasons I don't anticipate
wind vale
the thrust also deals more damage, has knockback and seems to have a slightly larger hitbox
and you can time dash right to specifically hit with it
elfin wagon
Use Thrusts to get wall slams
wind vale
and i dont think chaos shield is that op, just more interesting to use; still think zag shield is strongest
but also boring
azure wraith
interesting
wind vale
i use chaos shield either to spread doom on the special on many targets or for poison
as in doom on special easily hits everyone in the room for easy roomclears
and its possible to get the doom upgrades to make it somewhat better on single targets
oh all of this is assuming a high level of the chaos shield
seems much worse on low levels
azure wraith
I had a feeling about that too
elfin wagon
Zeus special with chaos is not too bad too since lightning is 2-3x base special shield
azure wraith
hesistant to invest titan blood so early since I just got to pact of punishment
wind vale
yea understandeable
azure wraith
are there any notable keepsakes I should get ? I imagine some are important to the build
wind vale
i can suggest hera bow - for the really interesting casts it makes no difference which level it is(dionysus cast!!!)
azure wraith
will try hera
fallow niche
@livid comet Sick! Great job! I knew you could do it man
wind vale
i would definitely recommend to get all regular 8 olympian keepsakes so you can sort of pick them for builds
and then something that helps you survive is also good
azure wraith
ty
wind vale
like skelly, maybe achilles, dog, eurydice(?),patrocles(?)
fallow niche
Any shield will be able to go far for you, but Chaos shield is something you might want to get used to since its so strong, though it costs a lot of blood
wind vale
the ? because im not sure how strong they are now
fallow niche
Hera bow is a great value for your blood since you only need to unlock it for it to be at minimum decent
wind vale
also if you want to just go with the flow which gods you get - hypnos coin purse is still good
fallow niche
God relics are the most important
sturdy raft
Charon's keepsake is awesome. Keeps you alive better than anything.
fallow niche
Followed by coin purse and then anything for living in Styx
There are several options for styx and Elysium imho
wind vale
yea usually i recommend going for things that help create a build first(mostly gods) and switch to survival or some utility when it gets hard
azure wraith
thanks dudes
fallow niche
I want to point out that all weapons can get you to the end without much difficulty if you know what you're doing and can put together a decent build, that's why god's keepsakes are the most important imho
When we start talking about heat modifiers things get a bit muddier
But don't worry about that for now
woeful stirrup
I'd actually recommend inverting your keepsake choice for Tartarus and Asphodel. Pick purse first, god keepsake second. Let's say you pick Artemis keepsake in Tartarus. Nothing guarantees you're gonna see more of Artemis later. If you go purse first, you can pick a keepsake of a god whose boon you've gotten in Tartarus, guaranteeing you're gonna see them at least one additional time.
Hourglass followed by acorn are definitely my choice for Elysium and Styx, though. Good survivability with those.
gaunt ridge
I have a pretty good dash attack build going right now I think, but I'm wondering: Do boons that increase attack damage also increase dash-attack damage?
wind vale
yea, attack counts for attack,dash attack and charged (regular) attack
dash attack gets higher % boons(from chaos) but does not improve the regular attacks
gaunt ridge
I see, thank you
I have the raw dash attack boost from artemis, chaos and the double dash attack from the hammer :D
wind vale
that sounds good
gaunt ridge
That's +316% dash attack damage + it hits twice
I love how crazy the game can get at some times when you're really lucky with boons and hammers :D
And it really changes your playstyle too
karmic ginkgo
Man i kinda wish there more ways to make festive fog
karmic coyote
Ares in trial of the gods always deals damage to all minions or they just changed it recently
round stirrup
I forgot i had a Chaos boon for 226% more Darkness and the dark thirst effect on my weapon and I got really confused when a 96 Darkness trove gave me over 300 Darkness
fallow niche
Feelsgood when that happens
heavy tide
darkness boost chaos boon is also good with nyx's gift
karmic ginkgo
Nyx gift is so good with lasting consequences
burnt rune
World Smasher+Athena on Zeus Shield with Ares on special plus Ares/Athena duo = lol
glossy lantern
So you can romance either Thanatos or Megaera, does it have a change on gameplay at all?
night pasture
did they take out being able to get a perfect landing when starting a run, or am I just worse than I remember at it? I haven't played in a couple of major updates
proud storm
it's harder
rugged apex
what does Bouldy's ambiguity bonus do?
proud storm
nothing
rugged apex
Bouldy please
proud storm
i mean maybe it does something but. it's ambiguous
manic dune
Ask Bouldy
night pasture
pastel jolt
it actually does nothing
azure wraith
what is the least penalizing pact of punishment to start out with
the gold cost one seems pretty solid
fierce iron
I'd say Extreme Measures at 1 is a good start tbh
inner heath
The most fun? The one that buffs the bosses. New dialogue + new mechanics = fun fights
burnt rune
The one that gives a free hit for enemies, or the 20% damage imo
inner heath
Free hit for enemies is solid too, unless you're on a one-shot build
grand idol
Yo, so finally got my new controller in. The movement in this game feels super good with a controller, even better than Mouse and Keyboard. Aiming takes some getting used to.
burnt rune
The auto aim in this is really solid, so you can let the game do a lot of the job
grand idol
Yeah but that's having the game play for me.
Which, for some folks that's great. Especially anyone who might be physically impaired from being able to properly aim with the controller.
But god dang does the movement feel so much better with controller.
It's night and day, I love it.
And as I'm learning the aiming, it's getting better. Adjusting the deadzone is a great feature to have. I left my feedback about the particular issue I'm having.
round stirrup
are there any fish in asphodel?
i would assume not considering ive never seen a fishing spot in it
flint grove
i think there are
round stirrup
also lava
flint grove
someone posted a screenshot of them fishing in asphodel
round stirrup
so i presume its far rarer than in other places
fierce iron
I haven't seen a fishing spot in Aspodel yet either, but I miss stuff a lot of the time, lol
dapper bridge
np
rugged estuary
Perfect landing at the start? Why haven't I heard of that?
Is that just an animation thing?
burnt rune
I got a fishing spot at the entrance of Asphodel once, but only once
night pasture
yes, a perfect landing doesn't have any actual effect
besides the rush of endorphins as you get your run off to a perfect start
rugged estuary
How do you do it? Do you have to attack at the right moment?
night pasture
Dash right as Zag lands from the window
rugged estuary
Alright, I'll try that
inner heath
I've gotten a fishing spot in Asphodel at the start and at Charon's shop, though twice at the shop Zag said "I can fish here" and the animation was there, but it wouldn't let me fish
hard to see, but I'm standing right in front of it there
desert robin
I prefer k&m
grand idol
K&M is better for overall aiming, especially the ranged weapons. But the movement is so tight and responsive with controller.
lavish whale
I dont have a mouse on the main menu...
lament coral
look at this trash
https://i.imgur.com/WwkszvS.png
I started with Zeus' keepsake, picked every Zeus gift and rerolled chambers, ended up with a total of 5 Zeus boons
not a single time did he offer me an attack
throughout the entire run I was offered only one attack
this is some serious bull
also, has anyone else tried rail's hazard hammer?
It felt awful to me, slower than normal special
triple special outclasses it in each and every way
lusty gust
I got the multiple shot and the nuke upgrade on the same run
I was hitting 1k with the nuke alone
lament coral
oh, they stack
lusty gust
Yeah, rail is totally not ok
lament coral
well, I didn't get triple special, picked up shotgun off the 2nd hammer
lusty gust
Isn't there an upgrade that shoots more bombs in a sequence?
lament coral
you mean specials? There's rocket, triple special, nuke, and slow
azure wraith
hazard bomb hurts you,? that seems like a weird design choice
lament coral
it's not much, around 2-4 damage
still, seems bad
unless you mix it with triple special, I guess
lament coral
it's not hard to dodge cause it's slow as hell
lusty gust
Yeah it's really not that much but if you keep doing it you're simply killing yourself
azure wraith
hmm, i just realized hestia is probably really good with spread shot heph upgrade
for rail
lament coral
I ended up practically not using my special towards the end, relying solely on the shotgun
lusty gust
I kept going down to 110 hp because I thought it really wasn't worth dodging the damage
lament coral
the self-hit from the nuke also staggers you
flint grove
or it'd turn you into a suicide bomber whenever you special
lament coral
yeah, doesn't make sense
lament coral
did you get any special speed?
lament coral
I see
lusty gust
You can just run away and shoot at your feet and not even care about where the enemies are because the area is so massive they're going to get caught either way
lament coral
what about bosses though? Even frozen, Asterius managed to easily walk/jump out of it
Hydra could do nothing, of course
blasted thing covers the whole island
lusty gust
Yeah, my bad
Asterius is easy
Nuke him whenever you want and you're good to go
If he jumps at you and you can predict when he's going to jump at you it's his death sentence
Hydra in a nutshell: use the shotgun upgrade until it creates a shield and when the other heads appear you just nuke and dash away, get to the next head, nuke, dash away, repeat
Dan was lurking in the channel waiting for the right moment to correct people
grand idol
Dude I absolutely loathe Styx
I have a list of grievances a mile long.
I'm not saying this to be cruel, or mean, but Styx feels so poorly designed it makes the later part of the game feel cheap and weird.
somber storm
hey im pretty sure the "blackout" legendary is not working in my current game
not getting any bonus damage on drunk enemies
Any place I can report it?
turbid needle
They're poisoned and standing in Festive Fog and you're not getting bonus damage?
Press F10 in-game.
somber storm
ok, will do, thanks
grand idol
Poison Mechanic that only exists there, plus the only way to cure it is convenient pools within the level itself. Poison obscures your vision and makes it difficult to find the pools. Zagreus, a demigod, dies to satyrs and rats worse than he dies to minions his father sends after him. Why are satyrs and rats stronger than the furies? Why are they the final challenge before you fight Hades of all people? The RNG of finding the satyr sack which bogs down a run and combined with the poison and its problems, makes it feel all the more defeating that Zag can die to these creatures.
turbid needle
I love Styx.
somber storm
I combo them to 5 drunk, then shot 2-4 festive fogs
hypothetically the ones after the first hit should be getting bonus
that.
somber storm
whaT?
lament coral
someone else mentioned Blackout not working in the last patch, too
turbid needle
After you lob the first Festive Fog, does the poison damage whatever specific enemy is taking go up?
grand idol
I don't think that's how that works? I think while they're in the fog, they take extra ticks fo damage.
lament coral
it's always worked when I picked it though
somber storm
hmm, maybe I misunderstand
turbid needle
I've seen weird interactions where Black Out wasn't boosting all damage, but it's always boosted at least the poison in my experience.
I feel like it should be everything, though.
somber storm
it reads "hangover afflicted foes take bonus damage in festive fog"
grand idol
I don't think it boosts any damage. It does separate ticks of damage.
turbid needle
Should be universal, sounds like.
somber storm
which to me means that the ones IN a cloud of fog, that are drunk, should take bonus damage
lament coral
it's easy to see when enemies in the fog take extra damage with poison on em
cause they melt on the spot
compared to enemies outside
yes, you are correct, enemies within the cloud's range should be taking double poison damage
lament coral
oh?
somber storm
it reads this
"hangover afflicted foes take bonus damage in festive fog
fog combo damage : 100 percent
lament coral
hm, I always assumed it was just poison damage
somber storm
it does not say bonus poison damage, it just reads that IF they are afflicted, they will take bonus damage in fog
I mean that may be what it functionally does, but its not how it reads
lament coral
I see. Hit F10, make it known
somber storm
submitted
this build is nuts tho
trippy shot, ice win, blackout, few other things, extra casts from chaos...
stable onyx
how do you unlock those tables that appear every stage
turbid needle
Those are just terrain.
novel python
I have just noticed that the Guan Yu aspect is dripping blood
I love it.
How do yall build Eris, Demeter or Aphro on attack? Also what else to proc Priv Stat?
stray frigate
@novel python Dash or Special
turbid needle
Demeter Attack isn't bad, but with Eris the two best Attacks are Zeus and Dionysus.
novel python
I have tried Dio on stuff like Chiron bow and it doesn't do that much, mostly low DPS from the poison
And tbh I'd consider Dem if I would get spread and the stacking cold aoe dmg
turbid needle
Drunken Strike on Eris with Spread Fire is hella top tier.
novel python
Got in, first boon Dio attack blue. 2nd boon Zeus attack purple. Should I?
autumn bough
I’m surprised how well Hestia aspect just melts the furies
vapid narwhal
Poison is very good on rail
tiny charm
I just got Hestia Aspect and I need to try it out next run
novel python
...two exchanges later
I think that's the last one I need for the prophecy, should I just take it to test it out
regal nimbus
Charged Throw (Shield): newly added! Press and hold to power up your Throw special
can you combine this with zeus shield?
alpine ivy
when something is faster like attack is faster does that mean more dps or just the projectile travels faster?
lament coral
PATCH
fierce iron
Ayyyy
novel python
Spread was what I wanted to go for, but I see that they've changed infinity and I wanted to see how it feels
wind vale
its interesting but i still wouldnt necessarily go for it
novel python
How is it a downgrade?
fierce iron
The three-shot burst means you can't really stand still and maxmize your damage output
wind vale
i think he means compared to infinity chamber - im glad its finally gone
turbid needle
Wow, rude.
burnt rune
+ Fixed an issue causing Fishing Points to appear more often than intended in the Temple of Styx
That wasn't a feature? ):
fierce iron
If you can manage dash attacks with the rail, Delta Chamber is nice
wind vale
i mean you got one basically after each path
novel python
^
wind vale
a bit too much
turbid needle
As fun as it was to get 3 Stonewhals in a single trip, no more.
burnt rune
it wasn't guaranteed though
lament coral
I had at least 3 pools every run
burnt rune
I got only 2 even after doing all paths some runs
turbid needle
Oh, your avatar is Medabee!?
lament coral
in Styx
hollow sorrel
And some of the items cost an absurd amount of gems
burnt rune
and even 3 for doing all of them is fine imo, since easily you can get 1 to 0 before
wind vale
oh btw - is it possible to get hazard bomb with eris gun?
lament coral
yes
burnt rune
yesterday was 1GB too, IIRC
wind vale
great
dense star
Rip Styx fishing 
novel python
It is possible, but not recommended
turbid needle
It is, but it's not good.
hollow sorrel
I thought we were getting rewarded for making it farther in the game
lament coral
I thought so, too
lament coral
especially considering how hard it is to procure gems in general
hollow sorrel
So like, we should turn up to max heat, turn off all our mirror upgrades, and just farm the first room for a possible fishing spot, die, and repeat?
lament coral
uh, no?
dense star
Yeah, fishing definitely helped the gem front since chamber clear for gem rewards was basically pennies
burnt rune
farm for poseidon instead
wind vale
does it scale with heat?
burnt rune
tartarus fishes don't give enough gems
lament coral
only Styx fish give guaranteed gems
wind vale
or did you mean to die faster?
lament coral
any other could give anything else, aside from Chaos fish
native ether
Broken spearpoint was too good before, but it sucks now, 10 secs is really high of a cooldown. Can't there be a middle ground?
Man do I feel this. I'm running the Collar in Styx now.
lament coral
yikes
wind vale
i tend to go for skellys tooth
turbid needle
I'll still run the Spearpoint, get at me.
lament coral
what for? The rats and satyrs will get you on their own
hollow sorrel
I still run spearpoint
wind vale
but holy shield is a good replacement
dense star
I've been trying collar, spearpoint, tooth. Admittedly spearpoint can be ok v. that beam attack of Hades
lament coral
I tried it a couple of times and wasn't impressed
dense star
Usually I go Tooth
hollow sorrel
Hades wombo combo is still terrible to accidentally run into
dense star
+1 death defiance is fine by me
turbid needle
I just want that brief moment of Impervious immediately after getting poisoned to get to a Mandrake Pool.
hollow sorrel
And if we’re consistently getting hit more often than once every 10 seconds, then we might be playing a bit recklessly?
lament coral
poison doesn't deal the damage it used to
native ether
No it deals more
novel python
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/670338536293269504/unknown.png shooting with spread fire in the hallway creates fireworks
lament coral
no?
novel python
I guess this is a visual bug?
burnt rune
they rolled back poison yesterday
hollow sorrel
I thought they rolled back the poison change?
native ether
oh thank goodness
lament coral
damn, dude
native ether
yeah im seeing that now
wind vale
still seems stronger but not quite as bad
native ether
thank goodness it was awful lol
lament coral
your HP doesn't drain in an instant anymore
native ether
Yeah it was reverted to what it was before the update
But Myrmidon Bracer doesn't reduce poison or small bite sized damage. 10 second cooldown is too long with how I can sometimes get poisoned, walk to a pool, and then get immediately poisoned again, so I just rather have the 50 health to tank it out.
Though I also will say I used the Acorn for Guan Yu runs. Acorn is imo more useful because Hades hits so much you want that initial shield to out pace him
burnt rune
honestly, get more walkspeed or more dashes, so you can reach the pools faster, move around more to avoid bites/darts and run circles around hades in general
lament coral
it's not Hades' hits that kill you, though
it's usually walking into a vase or overlapping skull waves
burnt rune
both also solved by having more dashes
native ether
Waves count for Acorn, dunno about the vase traps, my shield never lasts that long
native ether
I never die to the waves, im very active about purging them
burnt rune
or by not mashing dash, and walking for a moment after each dash instead
avoids hades spins and vases
lament coral
or having freeze
native ether
Hades spins have fairly obvious tells, if you figure out the timing you can dodge it with even 2 dashes
lament coral
takes ol' dad forever to get around with his butt on ice
fallow niche
"+ Removed money sometimes dropping from destructible pillars in Asphodel"
Wow sad, now there's no reason to look around or interact with the environment as much anymore there
dense star
Do the vases count as traps for damage?
lament coral
thx, granma
fallow niche
I mean those pillars looked like they were made of gold
burnt rune
can you stack chill and dionysius slow effect?
dense star
Wow that's super rude
fierce iron
Dang
fallow niche
Yes @burnt rune
burnt rune
yo o:
wind vale
they took so many hits and gave hardly any gold
lament coral
@fallow niche what, you weren't purposefully slamming enemies into pillars for extra damage?!
native ether
Those things will rob you of a whole death defiance in barely a second
dense star
Guess I literally never want to use Heightened Security 
fallow niche
If it happens it happens, but you waste time trying to arrange that stuff @lament coral
native ether
Too bad you'll have to at 32 heat unless you wanna play with Budget Cuts or No Choice 
dense star
Yep
burnt rune
just grab a dash with AoE damage and see the vases dismantle as you go through them tbh
turbid needle
If you take Heightened Security, just make sure you look for Sure Footing from Athena.
lament coral
^
fallow niche
You get used to not stepping on stuff with Heightened Security after a while
native ether
yeah basically
fallow niche
And it does make Athena even better
dense star
But it's gonna be awhile until I'm at 32 heat, maybe I won't be a scrub then
fallow niche
I mean Athena is already the champ of 32 heat
lament coral
except vases, which can spawn under you
native ether
in a similar fashion, looking for Demeter when you're running Lasting Consequences and Forced Overtime
lament coral
how does she help with consequences?
turbid needle
I wanna say it feels like you see the vases spawning before they're able to explode, but I'm not sure.
native ether
Nourishment Boon, increases healing from all sources
fallow niche
Demeter gives some health but its honestly very meh boon to take
dense star
Nourished Soul, yeah
lament coral
it overrides 100% healing reduction?
dense star
At least, in theory
native ether
Don't know if it counteracts max healing penalty, haven't been able to test it
dense star
I dunno
fallow niche
I don't think so
burnt rune
it does help quite a bit though, specially an epic one
solar vault
aw they nerfed the poison damage in styx again
wind vale
do guan yu and the sword hammer really ignore the healing penalty like i read?
solar vault
I actually had reason not to take all the corridors because of it
fallow niche
I don't take all corridors because its a waste of time generally
Can use that time to start a new run
native ether
wdym ignore healing penalty?
fallow niche
Or something else in my life 
wind vale
then thats an interesting option with that
lament coral
life leech hammer seems pretty bad though
burnt rune
sword has to ignore, right? it heals 1 per hit now
imagine if it healed .4 or something
lament coral
the HP penalty is humongous
wind vale
ok then only guan yu is interesting
native ether
its a 70% penalty right?
lament coral
yeah
solar vault
Styx with decent builds is just more braindead than Elysium
lament coral
bigger than Guan Yu's
native ether
that's not that bad tbh
I beat a run last night on Guan Yu level 1
Lifesteal is deceptive, you're more tanky than you realize
solar vault
struggling on my first playthrough with Elysium a lot to afterwards get first clear on Styx isn't balanced
native ether
As long as you end up with at least enough health to survive a huge attack, you can theoretically just get it all back
alpine ivy
howto manually save progress
solar vault
I tried one run of Guan Yu at level 1 but got to Hades only
native ether
The 1 heal per hit though isn't great imo. Should be max health percentage based
burnt rune
Styx with decent builds is just more braindead than Elysium
I agree, but making random stray hits kill you if you aren't mashing buttons on random hard to see spots is not the way to make it more challenging or interesting
solar vault
after that I got cucked by what felt like new ai
burnt rune
@alpine ivy just go to another room (at the hub) or quit through the pause menu (during a run)
native ether
Hades has received some AI tweaks from what I know from the patch notes
solar vault
true
native ether
not sure what they are exactly
solar vault
it's really cqc
wind vale
progress automatically saves when you go through a door or (most of the time) pick up the room reward, manual saving doesnt exist
solar vault
hey at least I got the prophecy fulfilled
alpine ivy
does dps increse from increase attack speed? or just the speed of projectile
solar vault
either way I liked the harder poison system more
turbid needle
@alpine ivy What weapon?
wind vale
it should speed up the charge time
alpine ivy
ok
wind vale
no idea about projectile speed
burnt rune
the entire attack animation is faster
alpine ivy
does it give more attacks / s?
alpine ivy
oh ok
novel python
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/670344669787324436/unknown.png Killing Freeze or Winter Harvest?
pastel jolt
i'd go winter harvest, personally
novel python
I'm in styx atm
pastel jolt
apparently killing freeze is a little picky as to whether it works on hades or not
faint sonnet
Double True Shot with Hera aspect and Artemis' Legendary be like..
12x570 damage in one shot not including the damage of the arrow itself
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/651179632120430596/670345561878298665/unknown.png
novel python
From what I have noticed it actually works on bosses and it worked for me most of the time on Hades
Not sure what's the case here
faint sonnet
6840 damage in one shot holy crap
That explains why it did a third of hades' health in the one shot
Lol
dense star
Guessing Killing Freeze stops working on Hades if he's got summoned skulls active on the field
Unless there be bugs
fierce iron
The one time I had Killing Freeze it seemed to be working on the last boss, but Idk
kept seeing a blue tick of 50 damage so I assumed that was the Decay
turbid needle
Sounds like it.
burnt rune
full artemis on hera is one of my favorite things
dusky drum
same
i was doing 1000+ in one hit and cast dislodge
that was my first complete run
yesterday
burnt rune
not to mention you don't "waste" the casts if the enemy dies before all hits go off
fierce iron
Artemis cast with Hera or Poseidon can be a good time, though you might want Flurry Casting with Poseidon
dusky drum
athena so i can still get the deflect and have a seperate attack
dio since poison
and thats all i would do
novel python
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/670348142025113610/unknown.png please lay your eyes on the Cold Fusion Duo Boon and the Jolted effects that I was not able to sell because they never appeared in the purge room 🙂
fierce iron
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/503594323313426444/670123699759742986/20200123233103_1.jpg Reminded me of this run I had like just last night
stray frigate
no exit wounds
fierce iron
Sadly, lol
fierce iron
Hard for me to keep track anymore, it might've been
had it lowered then upped back up again
dusky drum
what even are the ||summon trinkets ||and how do you get them??
nimble parrot
should I take triple arrow or more special arrows for Chiron bow Hammer upgrade?
azure wraith
hmm I got 50 + max hp from a satyr room, I don't even have any aphro boons
dusky drum
it wont know what to target
turbid needle
Challenge room, @azure wraith
Any time you see a door all sparkly with a little skull next to the room reward, you'll get better boons/double drops.
stray frigate
@dusky drum There are 5 characters
if u get relationship with them in high lvl
and make some quest or condition
u can have this Summons/Legendary Cupcakes/Companions
Also it's a way to have romathic bonds
dusky drum
what characters
stray frigate
but u can romance only 2
dusky drum
??
azure wraith
ohh, ty
turbid needle
People saw it was changed and wrote it off without trying it.
stray frigate
what?
gray lodge
Does bouldy max out or is he just a nectar dump?
stray frigate
he gives u some boon everytime
gray lodge
Will it always require nectar?
stray frigate
yes
fallow niche
@dusky drum Meg, Than, Sisyphus, Skelly, and now Dusa all give companion trinkets that summon them up to 5 times a run.
You get them when you max our their nectars and then give them one Ambrosia
round stirrup
Heck yeah I am pumped to befriend the adorable gorgon gal
fallow niche
Meg and Than are the only ones you can romance, and only if you give them more Ambrosia. Not gameplay related. If you want more info on all that hit up #h1-story-discussion 😛
fallow niche
Yeah Dusa actually || friendzones you ||
My depression came back when that happened
round stirrup
I am the big sad
fallow niche
Honestly its a shocker and feels arbitrarily written for shock value considering how she acted before
round stirrup
Yeah honestly
fallow niche
Or maybe they just simply do not want any more romance options past Meg/Than
Which is my guess
round stirrup
Zagreus should have totally been able to romance Dusa she was super into him
fallow niche
round stirrup
If they didn't want an uneven number of romance options then they could probably just add Hypnos or Achilles
fallow niche
Well its not about being uneven as much as they only want to offer two
One for each sex
round stirrup
I mean yeah, true
autumn bough
That seems silly
round stirrup
But I'm still disappointed
fallow niche
Its arbitrary but as devs they do have to make a decision just how far with this they want to go
round stirrup
Fair enough
autumn bough
Just don’t include it at all, then
lament coral
that's a fair point
autumn bough
Not really
fallow niche
I got a feeling about this considering, I think Greg it was (might be wrong here), talked about the weight of adding a romance route to a game like this and make it feel not cheap, as well as if it was fitting at all for the game
lament coral
they could've added Patroclus/Eurydice companions
lament coral
Sisyphus and Skelly got em, why not the others?
and you can't romance either of those, so no sweat
tropic tundra
hi guys, i came here with a little problem
i mean the daedalus upgrade
the explosing spear
i cannot find it and it has been a few runs now
lament coral
it's RNG
tropic tundra
the chance has been reduced or what?
round stirrup
It's random
stray frigate
@tropic tundra what aspect do u use?
lament coral
no, just bad luck
lament coral
they also added a couple more hammers, so the odds of seeing boom spear went down
stray frigate
with Achiles
tropic tundra
im stoopid
lament coral
really?
round stirrup
Wait really?
stray frigate
round stirrup
What does Achilles do?
lament coral
is flurry locked for Guan Yu then?
fierce iron
You rush to your spear after you throw it
round stirrup
Ah
fierce iron
the spear has to be there for you to rush to it
lament coral
cause I know flurry isn't locked for Hades spear
fierce iron
Good question Zepp
stray frigate
@fallow nicheand what about new one
stray frigate
aspect
fallow niche
Guan Yu is spin2win or bust
stray frigate
with explo
lament coral
GY's spear is already good
fallow niche
There is no reason to go anything else unless you like playing with fire
stray frigate
afaik he has stronger special and attack
fallow niche
Your health is just so low you generally have to abuse the lifesteal that's only on the spin
The special is stronger, but slower
Zag aspect has 25% bonus damage and speed
lament coral
nah, you can use the spear early on if you get a special
lament coral
I went through Tartarus and Asphodel with GY using practically nothing but special cause I had no attack and an epic Aphro special
it worked out fine
fallow niche
its fine
But when you get to Hades you get shafted
Get it? Its a spear. With a shaft.
lament coral
well, yeah
round stirrup
Guan Yu is really powerful with the spin charge upgrade
lament coral
but if the game screws you and doesn't give any attacks?
boy, that sure is exciting
round stirrup
GY is semi-worthless with Poseidon attack upgrade
lament coral
it's like playing Poseidon sword with Artemis cast and not getting anything cast related from either Chaos or Hermes
fallow niche
Lmao I wondered how that would work out @round stirrup
round stirrup
Cause the spin no longer keeps enemies in it
lament coral
Special damage? Attack speed? Sure!
fallow niche
MOVE OUT THE WAAAAY
lament coral
Cast speed, cast ammo, cast damage? Nah
round stirrup
It sucks so bad oh my gods
fallow niche
@lament coral I've literally beaten the game with nothing but Artemis cast on Poseidon sword and poms
No other cast related boons
Its just that good
Pom that sucker up
lament coral
was your cast common?
lament coral
exactly
lament coral
and I had her keepsake
lament coral
and I had to take it cuz it might just never appear again
also, I just died to a vase that spawned under me
wonderful
stray frigate
@round stirrup and Zeus duo
lament coral
and Demeter duo
round stirrup
Kicks Thanatos right in the shins
fallow niche
Oh yeah
fierce iron
Yeah just slap them all together
fallow niche
Festive Fog Hera build is absurd
lament coral
so you deal +50% damage and zap erryone
fallow niche
You get demeter duo and game is over
round stirrup
I love how every weapon has its own set up for a godlike build
lament coral
it's not so much a godlike build
fallow niche
Zag sword is just a worse nemesis sword....
And the Hera FF build is definitely a godlike build
lament coral
it's more along the way of "play this or suffer"
fallow niche
What?
round stirrup
There are plenty of build that are viable without being godlike
stray frigate
Aphro call with Hera good too
fallow niche
- aphro dash
lament coral
they go away once you crank up the heat
fallow niche
Wasn't the best but it did the job
I mean what heat do you play on Zepp?
I've been doing 32 heat runs recently
Some weps have more than 1 good build
The only problem is that some aspects are just trash
lament coral
32 shield, working on everything else towards 20 now
lament coral
currently died on 17 heat Poseidon sword, the one with common cast
fallow niche
Oof
lament coral
game just didn't give me the goods
fallow niche
I'm planning on speedrunning Poseidon sword soon, maybe give Haelian some run for his money
Last run I did with pure artemis felt like an absolute cakewalk
13 minutes even after 5 satyr tunnels and than
and doing some gem chests
lament coral
doesn't he run Chaos?
fallow niche
Yeah
lament coral
don't see Poseidon beating that
not even close, solely due to Chaos' room clearing capabilities
fallow niche
Artemis cast cleans rooms too if you keep up with it
I usually have to wait for enemies to spawn for a bit
You're supposed to chase the casts
Pick them up off dead bodies
Keep throwing
lament coral
I know how Poseidon works, thank you
fallow niche
Are you okay..?
lament coral
no, I'm still triggered by the run
fallow niche
lmao
godspeed dude
Wait are you currently on that awful sword run?
That wasn't past-tense?
lament coral
no, I already died
fierce iron
The suffering always comes to an end
lament coral
gonna use Nemesis now, find world splitter and split Hades' ass
and not pick Poseidon until the game apologizes for giving me garbage
fallow niche
lmaoooo
lament coral
sword's been the biggest pain in the tuchas so far
spear = GY, shield = Chaos, bow = Chiron, rail = clown shoes
manic dune
sword = bad
lament coral
but sword? Always some kinda issue with those runs
manic dune
all the aspects for all the other weapons kinda work fine for the most part
viral stratus
Is there a guide for what all of the symbols mean on the doors to the next area?
thorny edge
viral stratus
Thanks!
thorny edge
its one of the messages pinned in this channel in case you want to check it in the future
stray frigate
Deadline is killing me not bosses( http://prntscr.com/qsh9ct
Daily reminder: Shield is OP
Athena dash OP too
novel python
What's the best attack on Guan Yu?
Last time I used Athena and I had a huge success
Because of the huge spin blocking stuff
lament coral
Athena or Dio, I'd say
you can reach a full poison stack off a single charged attack
regal nimbus
lament coral
quick spin is mandatory, big spin is good
novel python
I've won without quick spin
Since game didn't give it to me
That run from yesterday
Without maxed spear
Was with only big
fierce iron
Same, that was how my first Guan Yu run was after the big patch dropped
lament coral
it's doable, yes, but it's a chore
fierce iron
absolutely no spin upgrades
novel python
I had big
Which doubled spin's dmg per hit
so instead of 50 it was hitting 100 per tick
100+
lament coral
you'll start feeling the pain without spin hammers once you crank up Overtime
lament coral
when enemies run past you while you're still charging
novel python
Or with Pressure Points
fierce iron
I ended up doing smaller spins by dashing out of charging, or just hiding behind stuff to charge up fully
novel python
yep
I feel like doing a shield run and just ignoring dark thirst
I already have 4 rerolls
I can take a break
ANd just do w/e I want
lament coral
I killed the snake brick miniboss in Styx by just spamming spins from behind a pillar
fierce iron
Yep, that'll do it
lament coral
ew
novel python
I wanna just dash around and I wanna see mobs flying
While zapped by zeus at the same time
lament coral
I'm glad I got Poseidon's prophecy fulfilled before they added the new boon
lament coral
you just deal extra damage to bosses
novel python
Ah
lament coral
with knockback attacks
fierce iron
Yeah so Poseidon users aren't absolutely dead when they reach the last boss
lament coral
really?
fierce iron
assuming you get it anyway
lament coral
only bull rush pushes
novel python
attack does too
lament coral
oh
novel python
The double attack removes the knockback
lament coral
ah
novel python
the hammer I mean
lament coral
I haven't really been paying attention, too many Chaos runs
fierce iron
lol
novel python
How does one use Zeus shield?
stray frigate
@novel python easy
novel python
Tbh now I feel like using it just with Demeter
stray frigate
Take zeus shield
novel python
And using it to slow ppl down
novel python
or as a blocking satelite with athena
stray frigate
17 here
atomic mist
I've used it just once. It just feels so much better to yeet the shield
novel python
18 min
lament coral
I guess you're expected to throw it, get a couple of hits, then recall and throw out again
novel python
Gimme some interesting chaos builds
tried athena ares
Tried aphro dio
Anything else?
lament coral
any 2 statuses
fierce iron
I keep trying Zeus shield but it's really hard at times
lament coral
there's nothing else to chaos, really
novel python
Did they, by any chance, buff the consistency of beyblade builds?
lament coral
no, I believe they nerfed the amount of special bounces granted by the hammer
full flame
shield knockbacks have never counted as Poseidon knockbacks like for adding rupture
novel python
As in, are you still dead if you don't get hunting blades by half 2nd biome?
lament coral
used to be 6, it's 3 now
novel python
Beyblade I mean ares cast on hera bow
lament coral
oh, they still just move forward
novel python
Alsooo, can you get burst shot and everything else if you don't have artemis' cast?
lament coral
so without the duo, no point running em
kind cloud
maybe this belongs in feedback but i hope when a player maxes out all darkness (including fated authority), the game stops giving darkness.
full flame
it doesn't
lament coral
they're reworking darkness
novel python
I wanted to try to use artemis' buffs on other casts too
lament coral
next patch will cover that
kind cloud
@full flame i figured, hence i hope it changes
novel python
Hmmmmm Poseidon Aspect with Poseidon cast 🤔
patent willow
What's everyone's opinion on the new Hydra fight?
kind cloud
like darkness becomes pointless. +5 heart does comparatively little when i can get +25 heart
atomic mist
Oh is there any info on that darkness rework yet?
stray frigate
@novel python not cool imo
lament coral
Hydra just skips the 1st phase now
stray frigate
u want to be close to enemy
patent willow
That's how I feel, it's not anywhere near as boring now
fierce iron
New hydra fight is slightly better yeah
lament coral
I still have trouble seeing where I am and what's hitting me
fierce iron
I like the rework to the room in general too, looks fancier
dusky drum
i feel like the armor on the heads is a bit annoying
lament coral
so much crap on the screen: heads, bloodless, waves, fire pools
dusky drum
you cant see what head it is
lament coral
and lava everywhere
dusky drum
im fine with that
lament coral
also, heads love to float above lava
which is fine if you're packing a ranged weapon
fierce iron
Only problem with so much happening at once is that my game starts to slow down a hair, lol
lament coral
but with a sword?
full flame
yeah, that fight is quite obnoxious with sword
lament coral
oh yeah, my framerate drops below 20
dusky drum
@fierce iron ive done a rail run with zeus legendary and explosive shots
lament coral
then again, my hardware is a decade old by now
dusky drum
it almost crashed
fierce iron
lmao
dusky drum
now im just thinking that yesterday the game crashed when i used guan yu aspect
idk why
it just did in a god trial room
lament coral
they fixed a bunch of crashes in the latest hotfix
dusky drum
thats good
lament coral
like shooting hydra with Demeter boons, had that crash just a few hours before the patch