The lasers were never the problem for me, as I just keep the phase 2 fight nearby the rock that can block them.
#h1-builds-and-combat
charred ruin
deep vault
nope, was on this patch
lament coral
wait, what rocks?
manic dune
haven't seen anything fixed this patch
lament coral
there are 3 graves that block em, plus the area in the top left
charred ruin
There's 1 rock that blocks them just fine. I never died when hiding behind it in a straight line from him.
lament coral
I don't know which rock you're talking about
the ones at the bottom of the map are not safe
charred ruin
not at the bottom. In the center towards the right side
manic dune
i thought the cover works fine too, until it didn't
that's the problem with inconsistent mechanics
lament coral
center right is a gravestone
charred ruin
so that
lament coral
it used to be dual but it's just 1 now
manic dune
it needs some contour on the ground so you know exactly what you need to stand behind
and not some fake 3d bs
and also the teleporting frame skips need to be gone
lament coral
btw, loaded potatoes with shredded meat and cheese, topped with sour cream are heavenly
off topic, but I couldn't not share
manic dune
grilled potatoes with a little butter and salt are the best
unborn trellis
#off-topic-discussion is indeed off topic
lament coral
well, uh, you see, Hades is kind of like a potato
and he's loaded with, uh, skulls and lasers
manic dune
there's a kitchen
lament coral
there, easy
pearl plank
Also is it just me or is the final boss more intense now? I feel like I can't autopilot it anymore, which is great, because it was starting to feel underwhelming
bold bear
And the sword is a potato peeler?
wooden panther
Gonna be hard to fish up a potato, mind. Speaking of which is there an album of what fish you've caught?
lament coral
they did change some of Hades' behavior
though during my Guan Yu run, it didn't seem all that different to me
pearl plank
Spoilertags there mate
lament coral
huh?
manic dune
he spawns the little cluster projectile floating thingies now
pearl plank
Final boss name is a spoiler iirc
lament coral
we're in gameplay
manic dune
and they're a more powerful version they can shoot a few balls at the same time
lament coral
you cannot discuss gameplay without knowing the game
manic dune
hadn't seen him do that before idk
manic dune
also he doesn't destroy the vases now with a wave
pearl plank
I noticed that!
lament coral
oh
lament coral
I thought it was random
hollow sorrel
The final boss skulls have way more HP (or maybe my needed damage is way lower now), and many skulls are actually exploding
manic dune
so you have to be more mindful of the vases
charred ruin
I got hit by it because I wasn't expecting it, but its what he does now
lament coral
cause in some of my old patch runs he wouldn't destroy the vases either
guess that's why they removed the 800% trap damage, since vases are considered traps, along with Styx poison
quasi knoll
sup
charred ruin
I wonder which aspect for each weapon is the most solid choice for high heat now, after all the nerfs
lament coral
I panicked pretty hard when a satyr hit me and my HP just started to run down at the speed of Hermes
hollow sorrel
I still think the game has too much untelegraphed cheap hits. When I get hit in Dark Souls, it’s my fault. Sometimes when I get hit in this game, it feels cheap
lament coral
rat pools are still worse
manic dune
dark souls is all about cheap hits wdym
lament coral
can't tell if I'm in or not
manic dune
it's like cheesy traps after cheesy ambushes after cheese
hollow sorrel
Eh. People can realistically no hit dark soul games
regal nimbus
this is probably the most overpowered build i've ever gotten in the game
manic dune
not on their first run they can't
lament coral
weird server policy, use an external pic site, like imgur
woeful stirrup
Rat pools do lack a clear way of knowing if you're in or out.
regal nimbus
too bad its only on heat 7 to advance with the weapon
too easy
would have liked to see this on heat 20+
hollow sorrel
There isn’t a “boss lava covered in lava, and by the way, 70% of it is covered in lava circles, and the boss is hovering over you, so you literally have to dash through large patches of lava to find another safe place”
regal nimbus
even the 30% reduced damage boons
woeful badger
Anyone did high heat Guan Yu?
lament coral
I did 15 with Guan Yu
hollow sorrel
I get it that it’s not enough damage to kill Zag, but it’s still cheap hits
manic dune
you can dash over lava without getting damaged, there's a delay
woeful badger
I'm really struggling with bosses with guan yu
lament coral
no spin hammers?
woeful stirrup
Lucky you. Tried Poseidon aspect twice, game never gave me Exit Wounds.
regal nimbus
So far
About Guan Yu
I think ppl /we are approaching the aspect wrong
like all other aspects you build a certain way
damage
then in the ed
end
lament coral
you need spin speed and statuses, asap
regal nimbus
defense
I think with this one you need to invest in a really good defensive boon early on
like athene dash
and from there snowball
lament coral
Dio on attack, anything you want on special, though I prefer Aphro/Demeter
woeful badger
Yeah, had a run with both spins and just roflstomped everything with athena boons
lament coral
yeah, Guan Yu has the same problems as Hades
woeful badger
I wanna try 32heat with it but not sure about pact set up
lament coral
it's bound to hammers, though Hades doesn't have any downsides, so you can flex into something else down the line
manic dune
i wish i had enough blood to use guan yu, i feel like using it with the lvl1 80% HP reduction would be a bit clutch
lament coral
on 32, I think you should avoid timers
shrewd sentinel
which channel is for bug reporting
charred ruin
I did build the Guan Yu well but the last boss doesn't care. You just can't afford to get hit period.
lament coral
you also don't need healing items, so you could increase HP regen loss
manic dune
F10 ingame to report bugs
woeful badger
Yeah, I'm doing no timers no offering no mirror
woeful badger
err as in no mirror pact
lament coral
oh
bold bear
Forced budget cuts on hell mode is already the wurst
lament coral
you get used to it
manic dune
it's not so bad if you've never played normal mode
lament coral
the only thing I miss is increased boon rarity
woeful badger
I figured best way is take it slow spamming spin/special from afar but bosses are still a huge problem
lament coral
try Demeter special
slows em down a bit, and it lasts forever
so your Dio attack poison always ticks while Priv Stat is active
woeful badger
I'm thinking getting a good hammer seed for faster spin, forcing athena and then demeter for Crop
umbral halo
Game is too easy before Styx, we should be dying on earlier levels
Hydra is too hard
lament coral
why Athena though?
shrewd sentinel
has anyone else had a godmode bug yet
idk which boons caused it but i take 0 dmg
umbral halo
Record a video
woeful badger
For her call and dash, I noticed that the bar charges based on %damage you recieve, so you get full bar very easily if you get hit and after the buff to duration it's around 10sec of invul
shrewd sentinel
game bar isnt working
woeful stirrup
Try screenshotting when the damage numbers are on screen.
Not as useful as a video, but should still get the point.
umbral halo
Nvidia / AMD drivers should allow recording
shrewd sentinel
done it where do i send
idk if its the revenge dmg boon but i have that
so im just tanking everything and dealing doom dmg
umbral halo
Eh get some reddit karma 😉
woeful stirrup
If you wanna send a bug report, press F10 in game.
shrewd sentinel
no point getting reddit karma all my accs get banned lmao
the new keepsake from the musician needs tuning too its way too good
no reason to use butterfly on ranged weps at all now
umbral halo
new orpheus boon?
lament coral
@umbral halo Styx is easier than Elysium, and Hydra was disliked for prolonging the fight with invuln phases, on normal; extreme Hydra was dislike for lava, as you'd often dash beyond islands and get burned
not to mention increased movement speed causing you to slide which, again, results in you getting roasted
neon bough
whats Dem/Dio duo ?
neon bough
and what's Dem/Arte ?
dense locust
Do upgrades to regular attack affect dash attack?
lament coral
what kind of upgrades?
dense locust
percent damage and crit chance for regular attack
karmic ginkgo
God dammit
Why does hades hit for 80 damage
lament coral
he's a god
calm sable
because you didnt go to bed on time
karmic ginkgo
Its so maddening though he hits so gd hard
lament coral
be grateful he just slaps, Zeus would've bolted you
dense locust
I can get pressure points, for 5% crit to all damage, or deadly strike, for 10% to attacks as well as 42% to attack damage
Doing the reduced damage runs are infuriating so far
reduced life*
neon bough
I feel Guan Yu's just not much fun
lament coral
yeah, you need to get lucky with hammers and boons
neon bough
I mean it's very slow
Slow builds can be fun when you deal a ton of dmg but that's not really the case
lament coral
yes, it is, without speed hammer and 2 statuses to proc Privileged Status
after you get em though, you just melt through everything
neon bough
I guess they'll rework it alright
fierce iron
I had a Guan Yu run on like 4 heat last night, didn't get a single hammer upgrade to spin. 
lament coral
or Zeus shield
neon bough
Yeah but a weapon you need a very specific (and lucky) build to use isn't much fun because it also means you lack the versatility that is the best thing in this game
lament coral
I'm not SG, I don't know what principles they base the balance on
neon bough
Well Achilles is ok, you can have several viable builds with it
Zeus is garbage though
lament coral
but aside from Zag spear, none of the other spear aspects seem "fun" to me
and Zag only seems "fun" in the sense that it doesn't have any downsides and can be used however you want
gleaming quail
Hi guys, am in the middle of a run and while looking at my boons, I realized that I could have up to 5 boons "selected". Does that do anything?
lament coral
end screen? It just shows those boons
gleaming quail
not end screen
neon bough
Achilles is awesome for cast builds, it also gives Athena's exposed status an interest aside from building priviledged status
lament coral
where are you then?
I don't wanna play cast spear though, especially one that prevents me from just using casts
Poseidon sword already does that
gleaming quail
the room after killing the hydra boss. I opened boon info to check what my boons were and just randomly clicked and found out they could be selected.
woeful stirrup
The ones you select will be highlighted at the end of your run.
lament coral
so just press it again and the screen will go away
it just shows a full screen version of the selected boons so you could take a pic of em
to share, here, for example
gleaming quail
ah i see. okay thanks.
charred ruin
So the aspect balance after the patch is pretty much the same huh?
turbid needle
Is it just me or boons appear less frequently as room rewards this patch?
charred ruin
Chiron bow, Hestia rail, Chaos shield etc.
lament coral
Chiron and Hestia were untouched, Chaos was nerfed but is still good
charred ruin
Chiron was nerfed back then but still the best bow lol
And Spear still doesn't have anything that's really good.
unborn trellis
the special bullet hits for like 200
fierce iron
Yeah, big damage in one shot, just have to keep reloading manually
jade knot
it can be a lot if you stack the 3 at once
there's pros and cons to it bc the normal attack can feel very ineffective
while the special is big boom but very slow
wooden panther
I recommend rebinding reload to a bottom near attack to make it more fluid, especially on M&K
neon bough
Sooo like it might be good with Ares or sthg
fierce iron
I rebound my reload to LB/L1 on controller
wooden panther
It's devastating with Aphro or Artemis (if you're lucky with crits)
neon bough
hmmm I think I prefer the Zag rail gameplay
shoot a lot of bullets
can't wait to try concentrated fire
jade knot
one of the daedalus upgrades gives you infinite ammo that's a time
neon bough
I actually prefer the one that makes you shoot faster and gives you +6 bullets
coupled with hermes attack & zeus attack it's awesome
fierce iron
The infinite fire one got reworked into infinite rounds with burst fire this patch, so I'm curious to try it
neon bough
like zap zap zap zap
jade knot
i dont play the rail much i favour the spear, but i managed to find a very amusing build for the bow that i really like but also makes me feel more than a little maniacal when i can pull it off
neon bough
that's why Flurry Fire is good
lament coral
it's the equivalent of playing Hades spear and taking flurry
the problem is that sometimes Infinity is the only worthwhile choice
in fact, it's always worthwhile if you're playing Zeus attack
neon bough
when you have >30 ammos it's not that different from having infinity ammos
lament coral
just zap, loool
yeah, but I could just take Infinity
and never reload
I also had a bunch of weapon ideas but seeing Guan Yu and Zag sword/spear reworks, I don't see the point in suggesting em anymore
turbid needle
man, i wanna see the Transistor blade aspect, but just thinking how they will make it work might take too much coding or something
been fan of Supergiant Games since Bastion. Transistor still is my favorite indie game of all time.
neon bough
👏make👏Tizo👏a👏companion👏
unborn trellis
i dont think they are gonna do crossovers like that
woeful stirrup
There's the Beyonder's crystal on Zag' s shelves and I believe that's the most blatant Easter eggs we'll get.
lament coral
is that from Pyre?
unborn trellis
because they like their games standing on their own, and because its a much bigger leap to borrow from their other games than from one mythology to another, and that already caused a lot of dissatisfied players
turbid needle
yes its from pyre
woeful stirrup
"From the start of this project we've been excited to create a story from the point of view of the Underworld of Greek myth. The Greek gods ruled the entire world; and the Fates knew everything that would come to pass. These ideas felt ripe to explore. For example, we loved the idea that the immortal weapons you're using have existed for millennia, and will continue to exist, crossing from owner to owner, changing forms. They would not be limited to staying in Greece. The Eternal Spear's Aspect of Guan Yu is our first expression of that."
unborn trellis
transistor had a sports team named after bastion, which is at about the same level of reference
lament coral
I don't see how that'd be "too much" considering that Hades' gameplay is, in essence, and amalgamation of Bastion and Transistor, with some Pyre ideas and animations sprinkled on top
unborn trellis
thematically and aesthetically
lament coral
talking about combat, of course, not the meta fluff
unborn trellis
bottom right theres a window
turbid needle
uhh to the bottom right corner
elder grail
do chaos boons with the same effect stack with eachother? I just had 4 special damage chaos boons but I could only see one of them on my loadout bar
unborn trellis
they do
theres a key to show all your boons, i believe its the back button on xbox controller
unborn trellis
if they arent showing and you know for a fact you visited chaos 4 times and got the same benefit from the boon each time, hit that 
because thats not supposed to happen
elder grail
Alright will do if i notice it happen again
it was with chaos shield just fyi in case anyone else notices
quasi knoll
hey what is decay?
untold widget
it means the stacks of whatever it is end
opal pecan
Hey, are higher prices in shops changing how you make the decision to visit a shop?
I am avoiding shops until I have at least 350 or 400 gold now
They feel like dead draws a lot of the time.
wooden panther
In what context, Saltmeister?
rotund wagon
damn it feels weird to have a voiced protagonist
opal pecan
He's snarky to the narrator voice
twilit stag
did the occurrence rate of double cast get stealth nerfed or something, I took 10+ artemis boons while trying to do cast builds and haven't seen a single one, or exit wounds for that matter
love to pick up the 5% crit chance on anything and get spammed with this awful nerfed support fire or bonus crit damage vs armor 🙄
opal pecan
sounds like you're melding too tight!! go with the flow
I guess you just get nothing sometimes but that's sort of why it's a video game, you gotta spin to win
novel python
Not sure if it's a bug but when you spin with Achilles spear and you're trying to move you're locked in place until the animation ends. You can dash out of it but you can't move
Dash out or attack to cancel the animation*
versed ibex
I guess I do really like the new Dio dash.
wooden panther
I know the one, that's a damage over time effect applied to all enemies if all enemies have the chill debuff
kind cloud
in the new long winter trailer, what boon triggers the icy vortex at 0:05 in the battle against theseus and minotaur? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QG6HYgfMFHQ
manic dune
great i just got both my casts deleted in the hades fight, he animation cancelled and did 3 moves at the same time AND got clipped by a lazer behind cover in the same run
kind cloud
ok, thanks @novel python
novel python
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/669570030899560448/unknown.png Hmmm, Arte Athena trial or Eury?
kind cloud
eury
woeful stirrup
Trial all day everyday.
kind cloud
why?
when i go to eury, i take the pom porridge which is like getting 4 poms of powers in 1 room
novel python
Well that's why I've screenshotted my boons, to make the choice easier
Because I don't see it
haha
My only deflect is athena's call so the duo might not be wow
kind cloud
i usually get duo boons by the time i'm in styx so that's not a compelling factor in my mind, /shrug
novel python
Well I'm gonna think about it while I rewick my vape pepega
kind cloud
i only ever need a duo boon for hades
woeful stirrup
I usually don't get duo boons despite hoarding boons. Game hates me. So if I can increase the odds, I'm gonna do it.
kind cloud
i think it's so funny and amazing the game can be so different for people because of the rng factor
novel python
I also haven't seen dem in my last 5 runs
And sadly I forgot to give her nectar in the run that she appeared
woeful stirrup
Did 25 runs in the Welcome to Hell update, got 3 duo boons total. Despite fulfilling prerequisites for at least one nearly every run.
obsidian abyss
can someone explain why scatter shot was reworked instead of just needed in damage? It feels so much worse now
*nerfed
floral ravine
I'm struggling to beat Hades for my first time. Any tips? I haven't had issues on any of the other bosses, but by the time I get to hades, I am so drained. I can consistently get him down to the second phase. I started playing last week. I have tried going for a couple of duo boons in a run to optimize getting to him. The time before last, I got hunting blades (but it was nerfed yesterday and it wasn't enough to beat him on one life). This time I got the zeus/aeries duo, but I didn't have too much that took advantage of it
fallow niche
@obsidian abyss This update definitely feels like they just broke everything that was fun or good in the previous update
Almost everything feels worse
Doesn't help the new weapon ain't that good
novel python
Well visually it is an eye candy
fallow niche
Spear nerfs hurt a lot too considering it wasn't the best weapon before
novel python
I gotta admit
obsidian abyss
play the weapon u are best at. get all gods keepsakes. Dash aggressively for the iframes and get Athena dash if possible
fallow niche
Athena Dash is still good but keep in mind it won't apply duo boons or exposed status anymore
fallow niche
Stealth nerfs on top of actual nerfs is big ooftown
I don't enjoy this update much
The new god is great and the new stuff for the house
But the gameplay changes are... Not good overall
At least Hydra fight got reworked so that's a blessing and a half
That's a giant plus for me
novel python
It's harder, I can feel that when I get pummeled by all her heads at once
obsidian abyss
I’m neutral on the new update, I don’t like Demeter very much but that’s just preference. A lot of the nerfs seem more misguided or too numerically strong and will likely be hot fixed. Imo support fire should be between its original state and its current state, cause it sucks now. A lot of stuff changed for the better e.g. spearpoint and hydra
fallow niche
dude the trailer has a better version of the new spear aspect in it hahahaha
obsidian abyss
I’m only playing on 7 heat tho so maybe my opinion is irrelevant
fallow niche
I just looked
They nerfed it after they made that trailer
Before release
It really didn't need that nerf
obsidian abyss
Lot of people are doing great with it. Have you fully leveled it?
fallow niche
Yes
Its still quite bad
It gains so little life and the low max health lets you get one shot by random stuff
obsidian abyss
I don’t have the blood to try it but I will and then I will have an opinion
fallow niche
It also doesn't do a whole lot of damage if you go for the safe build
Mostly because its so slow
Charging up that spin is... annoying
bold bear
Cursed sword seems to be pretty amazing, at least
regal nimbus
beginning of a hades run: Alright, i'll carefully plan my next few steps so i can make tactical play where i can walk just out of the line of sight of the enemy and can backup if i need to behind those carefully placed stones over there
end of hades run: PJOE TJA JTA POE PJOE PJOEUW PJOWU TSSS TSSS HU HU - HU - hu TS -HA - TH U - HU - TS TS_ PkFF PKFF PK*FF Ts
bold bear
That sounds unhealthy
obsidian abyss
Sword is top tier now 😍😍😍😍😍😍
fallow niche
Chaos Shield is still mvp tho
The radial change to the special didn't make it much worse
obsidian abyss
Haven’t tried new one yet, but probably yeah
fallow niche
I've used it
Its better at AoE clear now if you use it right lmao
And still can nuke people
bold bear
Chaos shield basically means that you now send it out behind you, too, right?
obsidian abyss
Poseidon sword is my favorite weapon so I’m glad sword is more viable now
fallow niche
It goes in all directions around you @bold bear
bold bear
Yeah
obsidian abyss
Also the triple dash attack boom is busted as hell imo
fallow niche
But if you charge into an enemy they all pop into them
bold bear
Also, poseidon sword is just a build I really enjoy when it works
obsidian abyss
I was shredding enemies with 2 boons
fallow niche
Not the most powerful but its great
burnt rune
Question, how many shields should Chaos Shield throw at lv1? It says "two" but only throws one, and at lv2 it throws two. Unless it means I can both throw the multiple one and the normal special at the same time?
obsidian abyss
And new Zagreus aspect for varatha feels super powerful
bold bear
My issue with sword is that without range I just get hit a ton
obsidian abyss
Varatha zag + triple dash + drift dash is a free win
fallow niche
Its good
But Flurry Zag spear was already very good
Now its the only build for it
past apex
Sword strat is basically to never stop dashing
obsidian abyss
I always hated spear special so no skin off my back
fallow niche
Now special is much slower
past apex
I love the sword so much.
fallow niche
Spear was great, loved its different builds
Basically only one exists now though
rip
obsidian abyss
New spear best spear. CYM
fallow niche
New aspect or Zag change?
past apex
Guan Yu is good if you get the spin attack buffs
obsidian abyss
Everything
fallow niche
New aspect is honestly the worst spear
And spear is still probably the worst weapon overall
burnt rune
"it's good if you get two specific upgrades" means it's bad though
fallow niche
^
past apex
I got faster spin and larger spin w/ artemis attack and it was basically like having blade rifts that crit and drain
fallow niche
I've played Guan Yu on higher heat with one of the two hammer upgrades and I felt like I was putting a razor to my neck
Not that good at all
burnt rune
You could just get actual blade rifts and a weapon that doesn't make you die in one hit instead :v
past apex
where's the fun in that
obsidian abyss
I’m not saying it’s good or high in power level. I’m saying it’s fun, synergistic, and seems powerful. You don’t need these upgrades to succceed. You just can’t spam special anymore
Now you spam attack, which is more fun imo
burnt rune
Yeah, you spam charge instead
obsidian abyss
Not guan you. Idgaf about guan yu.
fallow niche
Ah
nocturne dirge
@burnt rune It says extra shields thrown. At level 5 it throws 6 shields total
burnt rune
Well, you could spam attack before, it was an option
obsidian abyss
Haven’t tried it yet.
fallow niche
Yeah GY is honestly not good
burnt rune
@nocturne dirge ah, thanks!
fallow niche
And Zeus Flurry spear was very good before @obsidian abyss
obsidian abyss
True
fallow niche
I had 13 min runs with it previously
thorny edge
guan yu is my favorite bow aspect
nocturne dirge
Guan Yu is bad because it's terrible for boss fights
fallow niche
I like this Gravel guy
nocturne dirge
You die in two hits to hades
burnt rune
if only it had the quick dash charge like the bow...
nocturne dirge
Spin attack does like 70 damage
fallow niche
Lifestealing back 1 or 2 health a tick is nothing in the grand scheme of that fight
nocturne dirge
You need to get really lucky with health ups to get your hp above 70 with GY
Even with Quick Spin and Massive spin it's just not good
fallow niche
Yup
burnt rune
it should do like double that tbh
World Smasher does 90 while moving you and making you block, not to mention it's a lifetime faster
nocturne dirge
I was lucky enough to get a hunting blades vicious cycle to win anyways but it cost all three DD
burnt rune
and you can use it indefinitely instead of having to stop between attacks
obsidian abyss
But honestly, y’all should stop complaining. Most of the problems with the new update are numerical problems, which means that they are much more easily fixed than inherent design problems. SG are pretty good listeners, so if we give honest feedback they’ll likely give 10% more hp on guan yu or something similar. I used to play LEague a lot and learned that people attribute imbalances to bad design too often. Imbalance is usually caused by bad numbers
fallow niche
Overall this update brought tons of nerfs and a new bad weapon, not really happy about the gameplay side of things. New god is good though and Hydra fight is 10x better which is great.
burnt rune
I wish Bow had more World Smasher tier upgrades <o>
thorny edge
GY feels like it wasnt balanced for heat
i play on lower heat and even without the spin upgrades it feels llike im cheating the game, but i can easily see how higher heat woould make it unusable
fallow niche
If people don't complain they can't hear it, plus this is a channel to talk about the gameplay not glorify everything SG puts into the game
hearty sinew
Did anyone have the Vintage upgrade for the Lounge before the patch? Cost 5k or 8k gems to get a bunch of shelves full of booze in the Lounge. If you did, do you still have it? I've been looking in the house contractor menu for it and I can't seem to find it.
obsidian abyss
With the update they fixed a lot of conceptual problems and added numerical problems, which imo is a huge improvement.
fallow niche
I love SG and I think what they've done so far is incredible, but that doesn't mean they're free from criticism
obsidian abyss
I’m not suggesting we idiotically worship SG, I just got some really hostile vibes. Mb I guess
novel python
LOL having 5 dashes and flurry jab on spear is mental 
nocturne dirge
lol
obsidian abyss
Tbh I though you were
fallow niche
Might want to take a step back SG are my bae
aight
I would collectively kiss them if I could
obsidian abyss
Internet discussions are HARD. Forgive me sensei
forgiven
burnt rune
they fixed a lot of conceptual problems and added numerical problems
Dunno about that. Making less viable builds for some weapons, bad hammer upgrades and making the poison gimmick worse is not "fixing conceptual problems", though I don't mind lot of the other tweaks
fallow niche
Oh yeah I forgot about that! Nearly all the hammer upgrades they added are bad
reef galleon
What happened to hangover?
fallow niche
It makes me never want to touch hammers now once I get the one thing from them I wanted hahaha
craggy zinc
They added hammer upgrades?
fallow niche
Tons
hearty sinew
Can I get some help from someone who was really far along before the patch?
burnt rune
Some are godlike (cursed slash, world smasher), others are just awful (cluster, charge shot)
fallow niche
And they all suck outside of a few
burnt rune
no really in between imo
obsidian abyss
No? 3 shot rail, chain shot for bow, cursed slash, world smasher, and triple dash attack?
Some are bad, some are good I think?
fallow niche
Well yeah that's what we were saying
burnt rune
Chain shot is okay and necessary, but not "godlike", 3 shot rail was necessary to nerf the previous infinite chamber, the others are indeed great
All the charges are baaaaad
Cluster is baaaad
obsidian abyss
Charges are Garbo lol. Cluster is kinda poopoo
thorny edge
i got the charged spear throw and for the rest of my run i kept forgetting i had it and tossed my spear an inch from my face
burnt rune
Hazard I liked but dunno how viable it is, not a rail player
fallow niche
Infinite chamber needed nerfs?
burnt rune
not sure if it "needed" but clearly they wanted to
novel python
I guess zagreus spear is the best now for a flurry jab + zeus run?
fallow niche
It wasn't that impressive imho
nocturne dirge
I do have a complaint about the charged throws which is it feels like it makes Zag stand still just a bit too long
fallow niche
@novel python Or the dash 3 attacks but yeah
novel python
Wait no it's the sword giving the increase dash speed
novel python
@fallow niche 3xattack per dash + 5 dashes + flurry + zeus
nocturne dirge
Delta chamber is infinity chamber
fallow niche
All the charged stuff in the game sucks besides the shield bull rush because you block if ima be real
novel python
Sadly I don't have the serrated stab
fallow niche
Enemies in this game can be punishing
So stuff that makes you stay still can be a serious liability
gloomy bone
Is it intentional that not all sources of Darkness grant max health?
fallow niche
Bow's charge is thematic and it would be weird to get rid of it
novel python
ive heard that now you can get double bow special? as in it shoots twice?
Is that correct?
fallow niche
@gloomy bone Yes
ashen bloom
can someone explain me how traps in asphodel and styx are triggered?
fallow niche
Otherwise Bouldy would make me SWOLE
novel python
ive heard people talking about double special
fallow niche
Oh wait special?
burnt rune
twin shot is not special tho
fallow niche
Huh
novel python
is that
dusky drum
i just started a run with bow and the cast aspect and god artemis
novel python
I want that on chiron
dusky drum
im doing 500 a hit
dusky drum
with all casts procked on shot
burnt rune
hera bow dabess
obsidian abyss
The reason why I think the problems are numerical is because the things people complain about (e.g guan yu and cluster shot) can be fixed by tweaking numbers. Imo anything that can be fixed through tweaking is only a minor problem because it’s easy for the community to coordinate a solution. GOT 2 go bye bye
novel python
@dusky drum Artemis isn't the best choice for hera imo, but it's nice nevertheless
burnt rune
it's a videogame, 90% of it is numerical tho
gusty nexus
@obsidian abyss See you around :)
dusky drum
yea, i wonder how demeter cast would be but idk
novel python
I'm doing an achille spear run, I should be using my special to proc the damage
dusky drum
artemis to me seemed the most dumb
burnt rune
demeter cast with hera bow is just
don't
dusky drum
ok
burnt rune
I do like festive fog with it though, since the base damage is so high
dusky drum
athena seems decent and tehn you can have a different attack but still deflect
burnt rune
plus it basically removes the "drawback" of it being an angled shot
that ONE run I got zeus/dio duo with hera bow 
dusky drum
the new spear aspect seems busted
burnt rune
I want to try with the poseidon/dem duo but no luck getting that one yet
dusky drum
if you have a good attack it seems a bit much with the ranged charge
novel python
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/669583310783119360/unknown.png imagine this but with the old support fire
novel python
Flurry 5 dashes zeus support fire spear
my screen is full of arrows
And lightning
dusky drum
now im having a flashback to my exploding attack rail with zeus legendary
and dio dash
so much on screen
i dropped to about 10 frames
what are some good rail builds??
i can only think of zeus and dio
nimble iris
started my first heat run, now all runs must be finished in one sitting?
novel python
Nah. At the beginning of the run you can give up by default. In other rooms you can just quit and go do your stuff then come back and play
@nimble iris
fair stirrup
Is the food you get from urns with Dusa keepsake only give you +10 health now instead of +10%?
I didn't see it on the patch notes.... (Might have missed it)
nocturne dirge
I think there's also a buffer after you get hit where it will let you give up rather than quit
novel python
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/669586437632425984/unknown.png alright this was interesting
@nocturne dirge if you get hit you get to give up
If you don't and you just entered a room you get to quit
And you can close the game and come back whenever you want
fair stirrup
Welp, now I have to actually do my best to not get hit instead of relying on Dusa's food xD
novel python
Die a hero'
karmic ginkgo
you keep goin
novel python
hero's death*
karmic ginkgo
omg i didnt see the hp
valid burrow
Anyone got a good build for spear with 7 heat? I've been trying different combinations of boons and pact but i haven't been able to win against Hades on 7 heat.
serene nexus
Depends. What level are your aspects
novel python
Since when is than appearing on tartarus?
unkempt ridge
yo controller users, I'm a keyboard main who's looking into getting a controller just for games like Hades. any recommendations?
charred solar
How much are you willing to spend on it?
unkempt ridge
anything below 50
pastel jolt
honestly i just use a wired 360 controller and it's fine
unkempt ridge
I was thinking about just picking up the amazon basics xbox 360 clone, but wanted some other opinions
actually, main point: positioning of the left side thumbstick, does it matter that much?
cause some controllers have it in the middle, others on the far left
novel python
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/457639241615409173/669595698181701664/unknown.png? the skip doesn't work anymore, this was from full hp, now I've just hit hydra like 2 times and she got the 2nd shield
dusky hull
How does Hunter's Mark work if there's only one target? Will it apply a mark on that target or no?
dusky hull
(
stone birch
Why are shops now unalterable or am i just missing something
regal nimbus
question
if you get your hammer choices in Act 1
and you pick option 3
is it possible that option 1 and 2 present themselves later again in act 3?
novel python
@stone birch they never were alterable
unkempt ridge
shops were never alterable
heady zephyr
I thought shops were always unalterable
stone birch
oh i guess ive never tried
unkempt ridge
lol
stone birch
i usually have a lot of gold but i took a chaos boon
ive never seen the no gold chaos before
fair stirrup
Some hammers are incompatible, but yes, they could reappear I think
novel python
75/254 hp with 2 DDs, do I take the DD from patro or the hydralite?
stone birch
Jerky
novel python
jerky is damage.
unkempt ridge
that man messed me up
heady zephyr
I'd take the heal tbh
novel python
Nah I don't
stone birch
Who needs hp when you can melt Theseus' stoopid face in 2 seconds
novel python
A room with 4 greatshields, lovely
lament coral
so it turns out if you don't take Artemis or get 2 statuses on Chiron bow, you lose
unkempt ridge
and the best part is, you know that 4 more will spawn in once they're dead!
lament coral
I had a level 6 epic Aphro special and after 59 minutes, I lost to Hades
because I wasn't offered a single attack boon the entire run
I have over a dozen boons, not a single attack
unkempt ridge
there's no real point in getting any boon higher than level 3, diminishing returns means it's about useless
lament coral
there was no point leveling anything else, though I did get Demeter's cast to 3
fyi, even with Artemis duo, it's still garbage
if that Demeter cast was Artemis instead, I may have actually won the game
slow smelt
Asterios got buffed?
lament coral
also, special charge hammer is awful
unkempt ridge
I agree about demeter cast yes
lament coral
I thought the charge would only affect the damage but if affects range, too
unkempt ridge
so zep, the thing that killed your run wasnt missing out on the attack, it was taking the special charge 😛
slow smelt
and the new poison is really awful, ugh
lament coral
no, that sort of helped
because standing point blank to Hades and releasing a full shot dealt around 1k damage
unkempt ridge
that special charge actually just kills chiron builds. You can fire 3 special volleys without it, or 1 volley with it
lament coral
trouble is, I needed to stand point blank and charge
unkempt ridge
that'd be why you died, yes
lament coral
mhm
unkempt ridge
without the charge you could have kept distance and just whittled him
valid burrow
@serene nexus late reply, but zag and achiles are max, hades and the new one are lv 1
unkempt ridge
But yes, having a second status would have helped you. Aphro legendary also would have ensured your win
aphro legendary with an aphro special perma charms final boss
lament coral
no Privileged Status = hour long run
I did a Chaos shield, too
it's still good, and with 2 statuses melts everyone very quickly
hydra especially
that star pattern doesn't hinder it against Hydra cuz heads spawn all around and the room is relatively tight
lament coral
people swear by Hestia, and it is strong, but I don't like constant reload spam
I love Zeus attack runs though
unkempt ridge
hestia is a lot of fun for me, hitting for 1k damage per shot is amusing
lament coral
you can use either Zag or Eris and start with Zeus' keepsake
get his attack, put on sunglasses, lean back and enjoy the fireworks
lament coral
Aphro or Demeter on special are optimal
lament coral
Aphro is always good, and you can get extended weak duration; Demeter slows and her status naturally lasts a whooping 8 seconds
also, not to ruin the soup rice, but Demeter has a Zeus duo boon
very juicy
guaranteed to be nerfed juicy
unkempt ridge
it was interesting, but I didnt find it super useful, I was able to reapply the jolt almost instantly after an enemy attacked anyways
stone birch
I absolutely melted Thesues with it
lament coral
hahaha
stone birch
||he walked to the middle and died instantly lol||
lament coral
he died during the run through the middle
unkempt ridge
I wonder if he counts as attacking every time he calls in one of the god circles
lament coral
I think each shot counts as a separate attack
lament coral
I wonder if bull's spin is considered multiple attacks, too
unkempt ridge
probably, it has multiple instances of damage
lament coral
I only noticed the damage on Theseus because he died before I killed Asterius
I only did that once, on purpose
unkempt ridge
so you blew through his invuln phase?
unkempt ridge
gotcha.
lament coral
though, I wonder if that's an option
if you bring him low, apply 2 statuses, and then he does the run through the middle
novel python
7 I think
lament coral
oh, piss easy
novel python
xd
lament coral
which weapon tho?
novel python
nemesis
novel python
Sadly not, but I do have priv status
ares on attack and special, aphro on dash, dio on call
jolted zeus on cast
unkempt ridge
should be fine with 3 minutes on the clock, assuming you're not out of DD and can play a bit risky
gloomy bone
Is Flurry Shot ever good? I can't seem to make it work. Dodging completely negates the rapid fire, and standing still is a death sentence in this game.
lament coral
should be ok, you have the companion, too
lament coral
which one?
unkempt ridge
the one about the contract
lament coral
Sisyphus'?
unkempt ridge
yeh
lament coral
man, maybe your game is bugged or something?
stone birch
Demeter and artemis duo is also really good with inescapable blast
lament coral
how is it good, explain
because I just used it, level 3 rare
and I did more damage with my normal bow attack
novel python
1:36 for the last phase
stone birch
I just stacked them all up while they couldnt move because of inescape and chill
i dont like her cast much tho
lament coral
right, so you had a bunch of other boons
now consider if you had Artemis cast and a bunch of her support boons
stone birch
its not as good some others
lament coral
those enemies would've been vaporized
hell, it's not even as good as Poseidon's cast
at least Poseidon pushes enemies back
gloomy bone
I'm personally worried I'm stuck on multiple quests. I've been having like three different conversations involving helping others with their sentences or whatever, and then there's the meg conversations, and -then- there's supposedly a lyre conversation... Hades never is in the hall anymore, and I've not had any chance to give Thanatos a Nectar since the very first time.
But even in my case, it might just be bad RNG
unkempt ridge
||hades won't be in the hall if you get to him but lose the run||
lament coral
the rate of Thanatos appearances was increased, supposedly
unkempt ridge
so... kill him, or die before styx 😛
stone birch
Ive had him twice today
obsidian abyss
It really does feel increased. I see him like every run. Now
novel python
THAT EEK THAT DUSA DID IM DIEING
lament coral
I also had a weird Dusa bug, where she disappeared after I gave her a nectar, but then the option to talk to her was still there
novel python
@lament coral not a bug, might be her keepsake unlock
lament coral
so I clicked to talk to an empty space, the conversation played out, and she appeared back and stood ther
novel python
As I had the exclamation mark
lament coral
no, I already had her keepsake
novel python
I meant for me
lament coral
oh
gloomy bone
@lament coral Same. Had that happen to me too
lament coral
ah, ok
gloomy bone
Except she didn't reappear for me, it just did all the lines
novel python
Nah, it was just a random chat
lament coral
it didn't seem to break anything, she spawned next run normally and I had a conversation with her
though, there was no option to give her a nectar
only to talk
novel python
Conversation or Conversation ?
lament coral
with an exclamation mark above her
lament coral
it says I need to talk to her more in the codex, even though her codex entry is completely unlocked
burnt rune
+131% attack damage (dem)
+90% dash attack damage (art)
+51% dash attack damage (chaos)
+43% attack damage (chaos)
+serrated edge
here I go
lament coral
and there's no conversation counter on her page
novel python
Alright, 10 heat chaos shield, let's go !
stone birch
||Have you beat her with extreme measures?||
regal nimbus
guys im telling ya
Shield (Zeus prob best for this cause u can keep attacking and let shield do AOE damage with status)
with
World Smasher
And
Minotaur Rush
please
try it
build for attack
stone birch
@regal nimbus Will try that with Dionysus special
regal nimbus
@stone birch yeah thats even more damage if u get the dion legendary
lament coral
and Ares' pools dissipate sideways
barren plume
We know all of the duo boons yet?
I know the zeus, art, dio one already, we know of the fourth?
stone birch
Chiron bow + Demeter special might be good?
lament coral
Demeter attack and Aphro special
Aphro has a higher % bonus
the slow doesn't matter
stone birch
ah, yeah that will work
I havent felt any of the changes as much as i have the gold one
it wasnt even a massive increase but it feels substantial
full flame
The Chiron bow with demeter special is cool with the burst at 10 stacks, but seems like it's either harder to get the extra special arrows or they removed it?
tender hull
i haven't played since the hermes update but is it just me or styx much harder
barren plume
huh?
supple haven
@novel python artemis/aphro ?
stone birch
Aphro for highest
novel python
Artemis' % isn't that high
lament coral
10 stacks boost is irrelevant
serene nexus
Weak, although nerfed, is still really good.
lament coral
you will do higher damage with just Aphro special and Demeter attack
regal nimbus
chiron bow with new hammer upgrade that charges special is insane
novel python
Also, a little advice, never, and I mean NEVER fight Ares in a trial with maxed Jury on.
supple haven
@novel python it crits tho so thats 200% more
regal nimbus
best in combination with the hammer upgrade that makes ur attack not charged
full flame
meh, i'd never use Aphro special with Chiron
lament coral
it was good, until they nerfed the crit %
lament coral
and then didn't increase damage % like they promised
full flame
yeah, Poseidon with duo, or Ares on Chiron special are best
lament coral
Ares? what?
stone birch
Ares on chiron special?
full flame
Ares is absolute best on Chiron
serene nexus
Probably with the stacking doom
stray frigate
Ares and dio greeat on Chiron yes
full flame
Spread fire doom is amazing early for clearing, and the late game stacking doom on single target is unreal
stone birch
If you need to stack, stack poison
lament coral
exactly
stray frigate
U want stackind doom longer doom
stone birch
or hangover/whatever it is now
stray frigate
and weak on attack and duo with aphro
full flame
800-1000 dooms late game
serene nexus
Curse of Longing with the longer doom is nice
lament coral
poison actually benefits from multiple stacks right away
serene nexus
I had the combo on Hestia rail (Aphro attack Ares special) and it was nuts
lament coral
get Aphro attack and that's even more poison
stone birch
Ive been getting a lot more Sisyphus today
lament coral
must be 
's work
stone birch
actually, ive been getting more Sis, Patro and Eurydice
serene nexus
I tried Demeter on Chiron special and it was honestly kind of meh. The explosion boon at 10 stacks is kinda weak
stone birch
Demeter + Aphro is working
serene nexus
But then again it might be intentional. Maxed Chiron proccs the explosion after every special burst after the first
stone birch
Demeters visual effects are definitely my favourite
serene nexus
Indeed.
stone birch
they look so good
rugged estuary
I finally managed to beat a tight deadline run!
stone birch
nice!
rugged estuary
I know it's pretty low heat but it felt really good
Also got me the 10 blood from the prophecy.
serene nexus
I kind of dislike that my ability to beat a run or not is entirely tied to whether or not I have Aphrodite’s attack or not
stone birch
sounds like an issue
rugged estuary
I can handle runs with a lot of things so far, but I definitely needed it for this speedrun.
serene nexus
I think I might just need to be playing more conservatively but it’s hard to with the deadline modifier
proud storm
might need more practice with other builds
rugged estuary
Yeah, deadline is ugh.
teal laurel
Finished a run with flying colors with Demeter Aphrodite
rugged estuary
I probably won't be running it again for a long time now that I beat it once.
stone birch
Dont use deadline, just do some low heat runs without aphro
rugged estuary
I'm a very deliberate player usually.
teal laurel
dont deadline right now
to practice
also i just realized what's a good combo for nemesis aspect
teal laurel
its actually double strike dash attack and piercing wave
serene nexus
I am never putting enhanced security on again. I lost a death defiance to an 11 dmg per tick poison
And list 200 hp to a pot
teal laurel
cause you maintain the fast dash attack without needing to do the world splitter
which is aight but at the same time pretty laggy
clear haven
This is maybe a dumb question, but how do I fish?
teal laurel
RB in front of specific spots
stone birch
E when you see a fishing spot, they glow in the water
Zaggy will say "I can fish here" also
you need the fishing rod
buy it from contractor, i think it costs a diamond
teal laurel
yeah 1 diamond
stray frigate
no
rotund wagon
damb
stray frigate
no way you can blood back
teal laurel
zagreus sword looks really nice
stray frigate
only thing - is surrender
stone birch
speaking of aspects, Guan yu is reaaaaally bad
rotund wagon
yes thats what I was thinking
teal laurel
movement speed up with dash distance
stone birch
I cant win a Guan yu run, its just a health decrease for no upside
teal laurel
is hades wikia updated now
stone birch
spin attack lolw
barren plume
Zeus....Actually has some really strong scalability in terms of abilities that build off of one another
abstract pilot
no upside on boss fights though
teal laurel
they need to buff spin attack TBH
novel python
This is the 2nd run in a row that I have killed theseus BEFORE Asterius
teal laurel
reduce end lag
novel python
Without even willing to do so
barren plume
How the hell do you manage that.
teal laurel
i want a proper reward for finding time and chance to do it properly
and not get hit because of the end lag
let me cancel it mid animation
novel python
Well I was hitting both at the same time and theseus doesn't move as much as Asterius
native ether
there's also a loud ding noise when a fishing spot is available
novel python
Meg helped a bit too
native ether
after you clear the room
novel python
It's not that loud though
native ether
its not loud loud but listen for it and you'll hear it
happens after you pick up the reward for the room I believe
stray frigate
new upgrade for wavemaker made Barge of Death is barge of inevitable death(
teal laurel
should i start meme-ing elysium extreme measures?
rugged estuary
@serene nexus wait, dont tell me poison in the temple of styx is affected by security?!
that sounds absurd
serene nexus
Some of them are yeah
novel python
How do I stop the stream option from discord? it looks like I'm broadcasting right now, 0 viewers and it's making my game a bit jittery
Or it might be the option from steam
idk
rugged estuary
oh, is it only if applied from a poison trap? thats less bad
proud storm
the poison from stinky holes specifically is affected by security
rugged estuary
I see, okay, that is managable
How do people feel about the store price increase with the patch?
It might be different on high heat, but I already never visisted stores beforehand.
Now I feel like I have even less incentive to.
I can spend all my gold at the temple anyway, I almost never see a reason to hit a store before that.
teal laurel
it hurts
dusky drum
im fine with it
teal laurel
but not hurt hurt
proud storm
the styx one hurts a bit but otherwise it's alright
rugged estuary
What I'm saying is, stores already sucked in my opinion, why make them even worse?
teal laurel
stores are fine
rugged estuary
They're bad even without the price increase heat.
teal laurel
you can get potentially three encouter items
for one visit
non encountered
its non encounter is important especially for damage mitigation
health is much more important of a resource than Gold
normal sleet
i buy hearts at Charon all the time
finite grail
If you got some of the bonus gold chaos boons early runs could get CRAZY before
frail gull
oh boy was this a fun run. So many lasers https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/353619763429376000/669618891307221062/unknown.png
rugged estuary
@finite grail thats fair I guess
finite grail
I think there’s a better solution but I get the sentiment lmao
native ether
So on high heat there's another reason to take shops:
- Avoiding miniboss rooms
teal laurel
^^
little grotto
uh guys i just found something very funny and im not sure if its intended or i should report it
native ether
If you roll an Asterius room and you're playing with Timed Deadline, consider your run over.
You're just done
especially with Extreme Measures
rugged estuary
@frail gull I've not tried that cast yet, looks fun
native ether
The other reason shops are good is because they're potential chances to spike your power early on
The faster you get your base boons, the faster you can get your Tier 2, Legendary, and Duo Boons
rugged estuary
Hmm. Maybe I am underestimating them, or maybe they get better at higher heat.
native ether
Shops are also good sources of max health increase and healing.
teal laurel
former
frail gull
this run was pretty nuts since I also had a chaos +1 cast, hermes' flurry cast, and demeter's boon that does flat dmg in an area when you cast
regal nimbus
I dont like shops in this game, everytime when you have enough gold and you enter the shop and you find, Darkness, Maxhp and food (While you're close to full HP) you jsut die a little bit inside
rugged estuary
Shops would feel more meaningful if charons wells werent omnipresent.