imo it sucks
#h1-builds-and-combat
waxen imp
dim ridge
i thought it was really bad when i tried it on chiron bow
havent tried it on zag or hera yet
dim ridge
yeah
it takes too long to charge
you can only get one special per auto for the chiron proc
waxen imp
it lowers your range, therefore it's less dps
dim ridge
^^
grand idol
You dang nerds. Now I want to get up and play Hades some more. SuperGiant better release this for the Switch!
waxen imp
unless you're suicidal and want to faceplant yourself into death
radiant basin
guan yu
dim ridge
guan yu is awesome
ive already got it ranked up to level 3 and its probably my new favorite spear
surreal kestrel
@lusty lodge try turning off aim assist?
dim ridge
since they gutted zag spear
grand idol
Rip zag speae
radiant basin
I take guan yu, I get serrated edge
I take zag spear, no serrated edge ever
😢
waxen imp
basically 3x your dps
radiant basin
dash attack hits 3 times
grand idol
+10 damage is the most resident sleeper boring bit of content among the weapons
lusty lodge
@surreal kestrel i dont have aim assist on. im talking about that charging line stops now if facing an enemy(or was it always like that?)
radiant basin
wat
surreal kestrel
i dont think it was like that beforehand either but i was frustrated too
radiant basin
Do you mean it doesnt display the charge past an enemy's hitbox
waxen imp
quick spin is great on guan
waxen imp
i got +1 at the beginning of run and then i got 5+ at the end
dim ridge
yeah
dim ridge
i think maybe its by floor? and then goes up again when you fight hades?
im not sure
it definitely increases over time
radiant basin
what the heck
waxen imp
either it has to do with your hp or the biome
dim ridge
i think it was only +2 for me in elysium in my last run tho so idk
yeah it may be based on your max up
radiant basin
How much HP did you have on hades?
radiant basin
I had 70
lusty lodge
Oh, i think i might be wrong here. I took an upgrade that says the attack will bounce between 3 enemies. Maybe thats the reason it doesnt charge all the way but still makes it a bit difficult to say when its fully charged
radiant basin
and I still had +1
dim ridge
i had 70 in my first one with it and was getting +5
so that must not be it
who knows?
it wasnt leveled up or anything then either
radiant basin
@lusty lodge does that get rid of powershot?
lusty lodge
nah
round stratus
Cursed Slash is so awesome! I love Stygian Blade now
radiant basin
You could look for powershot for full charge
lusty lodge
its still a powershot
round stratus
I want more game-changing hammer upgrades
radiant basin
I kind of dont
feels really bad when you dont get that one hammer upgrade you really really want
dim ridge
idk i really like all the game changers
exploding launcher and such
i kinda wish they ALL facilitated major playstyle changes
radiant basin
with no way to influence hammers and only 2 hammers per run
radiant basin
yeah I mean i guess but
waxen imp
unless you like running the same thing over and over again
radiant basin
Some of the hammers are very obviously skewed towards certain aspects
like serrated edge and zag aspect
waxen imp
mad cuz bad LUL GET OWNED
radiant basin
ppl dont want to be slow
heady zephyr
maybe a bit too reliant on quick spin
it's a projectile attack that hits like a truck in a pretty big aoe that goes through walls
waxen imp
they don't like that it relies on spin attack... even though they changed spin attack
dim ridge
idk ive won 2 runs with it in a row and havent seen quick spin at all
radiant basin
Do you think it would be OP to be able to switch aspect mid run
waxen imp
¯_(ツ)_/¯
dim ridge
probably not but idk how they would explain that in lore
heady zephyr
also the demeter chill-on-cast boon is amazing for privileged status
dim ridge
tru dat
heady zephyr
get that and weak/poison cast and you're good to go
radiant basin
Do they have to explain it
round stratus
switching aspect mid-run is not possible because some hammer upgrades do not appear with specific aspects
dim ridge
what aspects negate what hammers?i
i hadnt realized that
and i have 100 hours lmfao
am i just dumb
heady zephyr
+4 arrows? i've gotten that with chiron
or i did before this patch, not sure if that's changed
radiant basin
No its special pierces and +armor dmg
heady zephyr
ah
round stratus
no, it is 2x to armor
heady zephyr
also elysium seems easier, but everywhere else seems harder
radiant basin
I mean there's a lot of ways to get around it though
round stratus
but really, try Cursed Slash if you haven't yet, funniest run ever
radiant basin
like if they give you a confirmation and just make you drop the upgrade
heady zephyr
cursed slash seems like it would be silly strong
round stratus
yes, it is kind of OP
radiant basin
or like, it just doesnt work
heady zephyr
guandao but with sword speed....silly tbh
round stratus
still, you have to be very careful during boss fights. in normal encounters you are invincible
heady zephyr
the lifesteal weapons seem designed for spearpoint as well
round stratus
empowered traps are lethal as well
heady zephyr
ohhh yeah traps would be pretty nasty i bet
does hades actually have any sort of one shot protection? i've never been able to tell
dim ridge
nope
frozen panther
well... maybe trying Guan Yu for my first run after the update was a bad idea...
round stratus
it is still locked for me
frozen panther
i had 9 blood lying around soo ye
heady zephyr
i suspect they'll get rid of the lifesteal on guandao and nerf the damage accordingly
unborn trellis
i dont think im touching it until i can max it out with blood
heady zephyr
a shame, but it is kind of doing two different things at once
unborn trellis
Vlad, you need to have "several" aspects unlocked for it to become available
so go unlock all the spear ones and some others and Achilles might tell you about it after the next run
frozen panther
60% less healing and max hp is like... very yikes
frosty pier
Not as Yikes as World splitter with % damage lifesteal.
Except Yikes are not for you.
round stratus
I have unlocked everything, finished one run, and Achilles just tells me stories about Demeter. one more run, i guess
unborn trellis
every aspect of every weapon? huh
maybe its just a % chance
or some other convos take priority
frozen panther
idk he just told me about it like right away as soon as i opened the game after the update xd
heady zephyr
i got it from him on my first run after the patch
i have every aspect unlocked, none maxed
dim ridge
@frozen panther If you're worried about the guan yu, dont be. you get healing from its spin and its super powerful
just prioritize HP over everything but boons and youll be fine
frozen panther
couldn't even get past asphodel xD
heady zephyr
the healing is really good but i imagine it will be difficult to reliably get a spin off on very high heat
untold anchor
Can’t really do that at higher heat @dim ridge
dim ridge
i mean i did it at 8 heat on my second try and didnt even have a hard time of it tbh
granted it was no 32 but like
untold anchor
You also said that was a broken cast build
trim dust
dim ridge
tru tru
waxen imp
what do you guys use for companion
untold anchor
That won’t happen every run
heady zephyr
the triple dash attack is also busted on guandao btw
dim ridge
very true
dim ridge
thats what carried my first guandao run
blazing pawn
just need +dashes or something because the dash penalty is harsh
untold anchor
Just for augments sake I prioritized health on 11 heat and got to hades with 138 health. One attack got me for just over half health.
waxen imp
you don't really need +dashes
untold anchor
So. Hitting with the lifesteal was hard enough.
waxen imp
on my run the dash seemed fine
untold anchor
And not terribly efficient. :/
dim ridge
are you playing with the one that makes enemies hit harder? without that heat option i never really get hit for more than like 30 at a time
untold anchor
But. Look at it this way. First day of realest. Changes will happen!
dim ridge
and frankly i think thats one of the worst heat options to take
blazing pawn
I had +dashes in my run but I felt like hades could have been sketchy without them
untold anchor
As you get higher up the heat tree some options just become better or worse
blazing pawn
with the triple attack dash anyway
untold anchor
Can only go so far.
heady zephyr
chill is an amazing status as well
heady zephyr
nice to have a status that's specifically great against bosses
blazing pawn
demeter in general seems kinda nice
grand idol
Ugh, lord.
heady zephyr
i'm not sure about her cast and i hear her call is meh too, but she has a lot of stuff going on
grand idol
Hydra + Guan Yu = Garbage
heady zephyr
what heat?
blazing pawn
I liked her call
untold anchor
Cast is pretty neat
blazing pawn
but yeah I dunno about her cast losing lodge bonus
grand idol
No safe places to use the heal. Die to all the lava and random junk going on
untold anchor
Takes some getting used to, but fun when ya get it
blazing pawn
I had used her greater call in hades phase 2 and it just wrecked him
lament coral
doesn't matter
heady zephyr
the main issue i had with hydra and guandao is that its projectiles are waaaaay more sticky
which is tough to deal with when you're also dealing with the secondary heads
lament coral
that's a Guandao issue
untold anchor
Agreed sunn
grand idol
I'm using extreme measures
lament coral
it needs spin speed hammer or it's garbage
grand idol
Look, I hate -hate- the hydra fight.
lament coral
you can make do without spin damage
grand idol
I can't live without healing. Can't heal without standing still. Death comes for me.
lament coral
though that one elevates Guan from ok to pretty good
grand idol
It might be a 'git good' issue. It's just extreme frustrating.
heady zephyr
yeah on my build rn i have 30% aspd and quick spin
and the attack comes out crazy fast
it also chills, which is great for a big aoe like that
lament coral
spin hammer improves charge and recovery
otherwise, you need to dash cancel after spinning
frosty pier
what? 40% in one spin?
lament coral
I guess with crits and hammers
heady zephyr
does hades aspect's spin empower the spin attack as well
left timber
didn't have any of those
heady zephyr
i thought it was only regular attacks
blazing pawn
did you have demeter's legendary
reef galleon
damn Hera aspect Coronacht and Demeter's cast is so far the most useless thing i've seen
lament coral
Dem's cast is just bad, don't bother
reef galleon
I've tried a run completely based on her cast and almost beat the Dad. Had 5 of them and upgraded for damage
heady zephyr
dem cast might be alright with poseidon or other knockback weapons
reef galleon
Tho I regretted about it the whole way thru
heady zephyr
but apparently hera bow just messes it up bad
dim ridge
do any fish other than knuckleheads exist lmfao
ive got 8 fish and they have all been knuckleheads
heady zephyr
what are you actually looking for when you fish
blazing pawn
I caught a hellfish
heady zephyr
i've tried it twice and done it way too early both times
dim ridge
the bobber should be under the water fully
blazing pawn
there's a small dip then a real bite
heady zephyr
ah
unborn trellis
the thingy needs to be completely submerged
blazing pawn
ignore small dips and wait for the real one
heady zephyr
what do you trade fish for? just gems?
dim ridge
idk
blazing pawn
all I've gotten is gems so far
dim ridge
knuckleheads are 20 gems
heady zephyr
right
dim ridge
i havent found anything else
grand idol
Aghhhh, I hate Guan Yu.
frosty pier
Gems, keys nectar and darkness
heady zephyr
oh ok. so not much point once you've maxed those
grand idol
Such a powerful run, destroyed because you get disgustingly one shot by anything above 0 heat
heady zephyr
although they did say they want to add more use for darkness next run
unborn trellis
do it for fun
frosty pier
It depends on area you catch fish in i think?
wooden panther
You can also trade resources up to replace the blood you spent on trying to make the Guan Yu aspect usable.... #NotBitter
unborn trellis
i got +3 keys in Asphodel
kind fiber
I'm getting a beast of a cast run rite now
heady zephyr
do the fishing rewards give you the secondary rewards (max hp, dice etc.) as well?
heady zephyr
right
lament coral
I'm confused about about fishing
lament coral
I started fishing, then the 'Catch' thing popped up, I pressed the button but it said you missed
kind fiber
not just a tug
lament coral
am I doing something wrong?
lament coral
why does it say Catch then?
unborn trellis
you need to press it when the thingy is submerged
kind fiber
Its telling you what the hotkey to "catch" is
heady zephyr
just a prompt to let you know what to press
lament coral
...that's so dumb
wooden panther
The prompt you get when you start fishing is not the cue to reel in, it's telling you the button you press
kind fiber
Eh, not that dumb
dense star
It's basically every fishing minigame ever
lament coral
fishing in literally every game shows you the prompt when it's time to pull
kind fiber
It should probably give you a slightly more proper tutorial but whatever
unborn trellis
i think its even "Catch?" instead of "Catch"
lament coral
not to remind you what the pull button is
blazing pawn
they can't wait until you need it to show it to you, you'd miss it
unborn trellis
i think it expects previous experience with similar minigames in other games
lament coral
ok, I so I need to watch the thing. Is it gonna keep going under and back if I don't pull the first time?
heady zephyr
i remember there was another fishing minigame where i had the exact same issue. was it pokemon?
blazing pawn
there's a nibble animation and a bite animation
ignore the nibbles, wait for the real bite when it submerges
lament coral
ok, but can that happen again if you don't pull the first time?
dense star
Nope
lament coral
does it cancel the game automatically if you miss it?
lament coral
wow
dense star
You gotta fail to reel by pressing the button
lament coral
so you can miss and now you're just boned?
dense star
Timing is late
unborn trellis
yes, zepp
dense star
Yeah, for that attempt
lament coral
yikes, dude
unborn trellis
but its not a big deal
dense star
^
lament coral
what are the rewards anyway? Gems, darkness?
unborn trellis
its a fun side thing not a major source of resources
heady zephyr
the minor resources, sounds like
lament coral
do you get em right away or from the chef?
lament coral
ah, bummer
unborn trellis
i got 3 keys from my first fish
dense star
Yeah
wooden panther
I think of fishing more like when you get a bonus nectar from a trove, that doesn't give a boon level either
And pretty sure those trove nectars don't give Premium Vintage either
dim ridge
i just got a SALTY quote from demeter
"your father and i share the same fate- to lose a child. except he is a hollow fool, whose child left. My daughter would never have done that. Ever."
frail vector
Ugh, the Guan Yu Spear is SOOO cool, but it's kind of ass to play with
frozen panther
ba dum tss
dim ridge
jeez
unborn trellis
thats a scary hangover
waxen imp
if you ever want to do a poison build, pump all of your poms into poison
lament coral
50 minutes with Chiron, yikes
dim ridge
does Massive Spin disqualify you getting Quick Spin?
waxen imp
NOPE
dim ridge
yeet
kind fiber
so yeah
I had a pretty solid cast build just now
Can I not post screenshots in this channel or something?
unborn trellis
@turbid stag thats odd, usually attack buffs do affect dash attacks
(also nice caravan palace name)
spice prawn
i just played with the duo cast for demeter and dio, really fun
teal laurel
down with the download
dim ridge
are there fishing spots in elysium? ive found several in every other biome, but not a single on in elysium yet
unborn trellis
i think the butterfly elite room had one
cosmic shadow
Oh, is Dionysus' poison called hangover now?
dim ridge
yes
lusty cloud
Yup
dim ridge
also does anyone know what things are necessary for the Dusa prophecy?
teal laurel
Time to demeter aphro priv status build
quick igloo
Anyone know how to get Ice Wine Duo that Dio and Demeter boon
dim ridge
you have to have tipsy shot and i think one of the demeter cast-effecting ones
idk for sure about the demeter
but for sure tipsy shot is the dionysus requirement because it alters tipsy shot
makes for a super OP run alongside Scintillating Feast
manic dune
game is so buggy after patch D:
#1 explosive arrows and bouncy arrows override and you only get the effect of one, but game lets you pick them both
#2 Permanently lost 1 cast in Hades fight, was at 1/2 casts after that -_- It never came back, was just deleted somehow
#3 fishing lets you catch multiple fishes of the same type, but then you only get paid for 1
I prolly ran into more, but that's just off the top of my head
lusty cloud
I had a monster stuck into a wall thanks to Poseidon yesterday
Was a great pain the room after that
manic dune
Also is it just me or do you simply not get boons anymore
onyx knot
Is there a full list of boons somewhere that's all on one page? Can't find it on the wiki if there exists one.
manic dune
until the top floor i mean there's so few boons it's ridiculous
tender cairn
anyone know the combinations for the new duo boons? i've only been able to find dio / dem
manic dune
keep getting rooms after rooms with +5 gems and etc -_-
full flame
@tender cairn they've been mentioned in #h1-story-discussion
manic dune
oh yeah also the auto-aim doesn't let you aim anymore
it just forces lockon on the nearest enemy,
is there a way to disable auto-aim
frail vector
Does the increased ammo + speed hammer on the rifle rule you out from getting the infinite ammo one?
I'm assuming it does, correct?
manic dune
yeah it's in the wiki
after the patch they may be incompatible boons that can be picked up together tho
i ran into one
tough echo
I gave up.
How to get Demeter's Duo Boons?
Namely, Blizzard Shot and Cold Fusion.
wooden lodge
does... does Dusa not give a keepsake? I thought they added one https://i.imgur.com/GMF660R.jpg
lament coral
left of the tooth
manic dune
the patch added a dusa companion
wooden lodge
ah that's what that was
wet nova
How can i unlock the News spear?
manic dune
it's the 5th slot there on the very bottom
twilit stag
talk to Achilles
wet nova
Need i something?
twilit stag
no
wet nova
Thx 🙂
twilit stag
or not that I know of
woeful stirrup
You also need to already have some aspects, if I heard correctly.
quick igloo
Disappointed I didn't get Cold Wine but meh this was still pretty good
Cold Fusion is kinda dumb
Demeter is so OP
heady zephyr
lol, dem's cast makes hydra so easy
literally set up your lasers and camp the pillar
heady zephyr
i have trouble against bosses with it
theseus and hades both trash canned me with it
fantastic against adds tho
fleet current
yeah, I still have a hard time with it against bosses too
I got rekt by the Fury sisters
because I can't tell which is which
heady zephyr
aspect of eris applies to all damage, yes, not just attack damage?
fleet current
and they're all attacking me
heady zephyr
if so, i think dem cast/eris aspect may actually be really good
fleet current
I wish there's a way to test out all of the Daedalus upgrades for all the weapons
teal nebula
Hello there
I have a question about boons duos , once i get a duo Can i choose a third god ? Or it will stop the duo from working ?
unborn trellis
they are entirely independant
rancid shore
you can get more boons from different gods; it shouldn't affect the duo unless you override like a cast or something that it needs
radiant basin
You can choose as many gods as you want before or after duos, it only increases your chances to get the duo to pick them + you need the requisite boons for the duo
teal nebula
I manage to get to the temple and got one shot by poison
teal nebula
Thanks buntcake yeah i Saw on the wiki the requisite
lament coral
on the upside, if you deflect poison, enemies die faster, too
teal nebula
For poison you have to rush to the fountain or just kill asap ?
lament coral
kill?
rancid shore
rush fountain
unborn trellis
rush B fountain
lament coral
killing enemies doesn't stop the poison
teal nebula
I did not see if it was the enemy or the room that poisoned
But seems to be the room then
rancid shore
poison comes from the green puddles dropped by the big rats, the darts of a satyr (the humanoid looking thing), or the green wood looking traps on the floor
and like zepp said, killing the enemy doesn't stop the poison, so it's better to cure it first (usually)
teal nebula
Ok then i Guess if i cure and got poisonned again i'm done 👀
rancid shore
the fountain respawns after a few seconds
it's fine to use it as much as you need :)
teal nebula
Thanks
frozen panther
https://gyazo.com/8e3503c24e92b100c53ed0ecb2f0f864 not a bad run
crisp iris
Damn Guan Yu does not feel good to play
if it had push forward combat mechanic like Doom, where forward positioning while dodging abilities I feel like it would be much better
but the Spin attack, combined with Spindash just promotes sitting back and Flinging it from distance
keen shard
Im.kind of suprised how mad ppl.are cause they made base game just a bit more diffcult 🤔
It is a roguelike
Like i dunno
twilit stag
ikr, <10 heat was already incredibly easy
waxen imp
mad cuz bad LUL GOTTEM
crisp iris
I feel like the design of Guan Yu is a bit counter productive?
it promotes you not making big mistakes
keen shard
Its a diffrent playstyle
crisp iris
IE tanking a giant hit
while at the same time allows you to make small mistakes
IE taking small shots
lament coral
it makes you hunt for hearts
keen shard
Why woild u tank
crisp iris
and healing it right back up
keen shard
A big hit
waxen imp
it makes everything easy except for bosses
crisp iris
what part of a mistake do you not understand
lament coral
bosses are easy, too
just don't get bursted
furies and bull are the hardest for Guan Yu
waxen imp
bosses are where you get bursted the most
lament coral
Hydra and Hades are fine
keen shard
Ye
lament coral
granted, I had spin speed hammer in my playthrough
crisp iris
funnily enough I've had the least trouble with Furies and the bull
lament coral
if you don't get the speed hammer, it's garbage
crisp iris
yet had issues with Hades and Hydra
keen shard
But yeh this patch as suuh said got alot of mad caause bad from alot of ppl 
lament coral
I had Alecto in my run
she just kept running through/past the spin
took a long time to take her out
waxen imp
you can get the dash attack hammer
lament coral
I'd rather not dash into enemies that can take out my entire health bar in 1 attack
waxen imp
it's op on yu
why are you dashing into enemies, just go to the side you derp
or backwards
manic dune
anyone try the charge-able volley on the bow?
it makes it even worse than the default volley 😄
it starts at sub-zero range and you have to charge it for a while to even be able to hit anything right in front of you
frozen panther
Imagine taking one hit with boiling blood vs hades... thats a DD right there
heady zephyr
the arti/demi dual cast is also crazy
it can reliably track hades while he's doing all his sick combos and stuff
shame her cast doesn't apply chill
lament coral
her default cast is so bad, a chance at finding the duo makes it not worth
heady zephyr
her default cast is pretty good too
just need a slow with it
and that only against bosses, against regular adds just set it up and dodge
simple
the duo cast that makes her projectile go super slow though, seems bad
wide lake
in my opinion most of these nerfs are great, i managed to beat hades(the boss) in under 10 hours of game time which for me at least was a little underwhelming, the game needs to be harder for new comers, should be a real drive to beat the game not something you can do by chance if you get OP boons
lament coral
dude, her base cast can't even track enemies on normal
with 50% Overtime, and it does nothing
it doesn't pierce, doesn't slow
wide lake
i have to admit @lament coral i thought it slowed when i used it first time and its silly to find out it doesnt at all, that being said if you get crit chance on it then it becomes very deadly even with its slow turning speed
heady zephyr
it does close to rift levels of damage with tracking over distance
lament coral
I thought it slowed, too, but that was just me and my Demeter attack
twilit stag
oh no
heady zephyr
a boon that let it slow would be good though
lament coral
it should slow by default and track faster
wide lake
i think its one of those casts that you cannot make a build out of but is a welcome addition to a attack or special based build
twilit stag
wait do you actually need to pick that terrible demeter cast for 3/4 of her duo boons?
heady zephyr
actually i'm surprised there's no total freeze status in demeter's kit
wide lake
i do not think its terrible or awful, you guys are too harsh, its just a little weak atm
i had a full run with it and got to hades with ease, didnt beat him but got there on cast damage only pretty much
twilit stag
I picked it twice and decided that I'm probably never doing it again
lament coral
"a little weak" doesn't cut it when you have casts that blow people up
heady zephyr
yep, i ran an eris/demi cast build and that took me to hades without any issue
lament coral
without getting duos
heady zephyr
only enemies that caused problems were theseus and shield brearers
and the build had my fastest ttk on soul catchers
lament coral
new shields are much easier now though
takes forever for em to pick up their shields
heady zephyr
shields are generally easy now yeah
dull relic
how do i unlock new spear aspect?
lament coral
also, did they change exalted swords?
wide lake
yeah, i do think it needs to slow but other than that its mostly fine, the slow tracing is annoying but its got great range and its easy to set up in three corners to get off easy hits
lament coral
they look different but I couldn't tell if they used different moves, too
heady zephyr
they seem to jump around less aggressively
and they don't combo their dodges into their ranged attack anymore, i think?
twilit stag
I found the damage extremely underwhelming compared to other casts that often one shot enemies
heady zephyr
the only cast that had more reliable single target damage were rift and arti from what i've seen
lament coral
can't speak for Poseidon, but Aphro's cast seemed alright
heady zephyr
demi cast isn't very efficient as add clear, but against high health enemies like soul catchers and asterius it was definitely one of the most efficient ones i've found
twilit stag
I tried using it against asterius he always walked out of it right away
wide lake
i think i had it at common rarity with 4 poms upgrade and one chaos rift for an extra 30% damage and it melted basic enemies even with armour
lament coral
exactly what soth said
heady zephyr
@lament coral i had chill and the bomb buff that slowed enemies in the aoe
so it was easy to kite enemies in to it
lament coral
I had special frost, too
didn't bother to use the casts after I saw him just walk past em
heady zephyr
even then though, asterius spends a decent amount of time walking, not running or jumping
twilit stag
I usually play with 30-50 bonus enemy speed and it has enemies walking out of it very fast
wide lake
yeah using knock back to push enemies into the beam path or onto the origin cystal is a good tactic
heady zephyr
the lasers were pretty bad against theseus though
to make it more useful against speed buffed enemies it could maybe have more aggressive tracking within a small radius of the laser itself
so it's harder to just walk out of it
proud storm
fishing 101 https://streamable.com/7q6kb
sage sorrel
Hello guys, can anyone help me with Sisyphus' quest? Cause I can't get it to trigger no matter what I've tried
Been trying to get it for 4 days now lol
Am I missing something?
lament coral
have you nectared him to the max?
sage sorrel
Well I can't give him any more nectars
lament coral
did you check with the contractor?
sage sorrel
Yeah the thing is not there
frosty pier
YOu need a dialogue with Hades and Meg.
lament coral
ah
obtuse ravine
ok just updated now. I'm devastated the spear speed and range got edited on Zag spear huhu
sage sorrel
Yeah I've been talking with everybody, now neither meg nor hades talk about anything specific, they just speak their usual lines that you get when they're out of conversation
I remember telling meg to go easy on sisyphus and she responding that he was a bad man once and that's that
sage sorrel
Well then shouldn't I be able to get the quest then?
frosty pier
I think it was, you witness the punishment of Sys in his room, then talk to meg, then talk to Hades about the contract, and only then it is purchasable
sage sorrel
I couldn't really figure it out
I have 130 hours of playtime and been focusing on only getting it done but was unable to success 😦
charred ruin
@sage sorrel How? I got it the day the patch came out. Start a 0 heat run. Get to his room on the 1st biome, gift/talk, then die, then check for events in the hub, rinse repeat.
I tried to make the new spear aspect work but losing a death defiance every time a boss lands one good hit is too much. It feels like I'm playing 5BC melee tactics in Dead Cells.
regal nimbus
Does Zeus special proc multiple times on Chiron aspect bow or just once?
frosty pier
Only if you have Poseidon/Zeus Duo and your special is initially poseidon's
surreal fractal
Is explosive return supposed to get buffed by special boons etc
umbral halo
@manic vale i think the minotaur no-warning 2-strike axe attack is fine, just means you shouldn't be staying up close to it for more than a few hits after he plunges. Keeps you on your toes
lament coral
@regal nimbus just once
which is strange, considering Dio's poison procs on each arrow
teal laurel
so is chaos shield bad or good
novel python
Haven't tried it yet
teal laurel
is shield mode still baby mode
lament coral
chaos is still good
frosty pier
Serrated edge Can outright kill you.
lament coral
its burst potential has been reduced but it's still solid
nothing changed about block or bull rush
so you can still do 32 heat, provided you don't use the timer
manic dune
ugh are all the scalings broken
neon bough
soooo what weapons/other boons is Demeter good with ?
I did a couple runs and I'm not thrilled
lament coral
Artemis for cast
manic dune
get bow upgrade that gives +300% dmg.... get another one that gives +300% dmg
novel python
@frosty pier how come?
manic dune
damage stays the same
lament coral
i think she has something with Dio
neat kite
i'm surprised they nerfed rail's hitstun but not the shotgun upgrade, it's still as busted as ever
melted hades in less than 2 minutes, jeebus
that severely needs change
lament coral
what hitstun btw?
teal laurel
chiron bow with the 10 stack thing
neon bough
that cast is nice but very slow, so very situational
neat kite
the explosive shot
novel python
@lament coral explo bullets
lament coral
they nerfed explosive rounds?
novel python
they removed it.
neon bough
F
lament coral
yikes
neat kite
which is like
frosty pier
You kill everything in your path untill you realise that you now need to i-frame all spin attacks of Hades.
teal laurel
They killed it
neat kite
it wasn't even good at all
lament coral
there goes the Zeus attack rail
neat kite
so
karmic ginkgo
Yo the new daedalus hammer upgrade for the aegis that like lets u rapid fire bullrushes is weiiiird
neat kite
the shotgun is 10 billion times more busted than explosive rounds
and it didn't change at all...
lament coral
it also gave your normal shots AOE
neat kite
yeah but it was just like a small hitstun
manic dune
hades lazer still goes through the walls
neat kite
it didn't help much on bosses
teal laurel
so someone did a 40 heat run
manic dune
patch says it's fixed but it's literally exactly the same as before
lament coral
who cares, you're not fighting bosses for 30 minutes
and against everyone else, stagger on shot was good
manic dune
i wish at least the lazer proced less often, sucks getting grazed once and losing all my HP cuz hell mode no invulnerability on hi
neat kite
well everything besides bosses has become second nature at this point, it's like the downtime between them 
manic dune
23489252 procs a millisecond
karmic ginkgo
Is it?
lament coral
10 second cooldown
teal laurel
pretty Yikes
neat kite
spear is still really good on bosses
karmic ginkgo
Omfg
neat kite
but not on enemies
karmic ginkgo
Thats brutal
teal laurel
Sword still mediocre
neat kite
it's strictly for hades now
teal laurel
Spear is still the same
karmic ginkgo
Just take acorn
neat kite
nah acorn is not as good as spear for hades
lament coral
isn't bracer straight up better than speartip now?
manic dune
skelly bugged for me
turbid needle
ok... I like ability to deal half of hades phase 2 hp with guan yu charged special LUL
manic dune
gave me 90hp at T3
turbid needle
otherwise it's slow as all hell
manic dune
And i had bonuses to healing
lament coral
you get a flat 40% DR, just gotta be facing the damage source
neat kite
bracer has always been a good choice for everything tho, both enemies and bosses
it's always the second best choice as a general item
manic dune
i think the demeter helaing bonuses are bugged or something
lament coral
the problem with bracer is that it's conditional
karmic ginkgo
I liked guan right up until i ran into the murderer furi which has always just been a slug fest for me
lament coral
speartip was basically an unconditional source of damage mitigation
neat kite
spear tip was too gud
novel python
Is it only me or exposed is not proccing?
neat kite
now it's just really good for hades and bad for enemies
turbid needle
but then making it into 10s cd makes it quite... well, useless
neat kite
which is okay as a last boss choice item
blazing pawn
I think it is broken with Athena dash atm
lament coral
also, I thought I read in the patch notes that duration of speartip's invuln was increased to accommodate the new cooldown, yet in-game is still says 1.5 sec duration?
teal laurel
LUL
manic dune
athena dash is still pretty good
teal laurel
the duration is not really a problem
lament coral
I mean, if they increase the duration to 3 seconds
neat kite
it's probably 2/2.5
teal laurel
its just that the cooldown is too big
lament coral
on a 10 seconds cooldown, that'd be fine
lament coral
or that, yeah
novel python
Spent Spirit or Deadly Reversal? Hades Spear
lament coral
yeah, I can dig that
novel python
And I have the dash
neat kite
the cooldown doesn't really matter for hades since you want to take 1 hit with it (preferably his swing which is the highest damage) and then kite for 10 secs
it's still amazing item for him
before it was like enemy killer isntead
lament coral
I don't feel acorn at all
novel python
Is spent spirit still good?
neat kite
maybe just for hydra?
it's okay on hydra i guess
since it has more hectic damage and harder to kite
so acorn would be better than spear on her
neon bough
so do you think Demeter is going to be revamped on March 20th ? °°
neat kite
revamped?
teal laurel
why?
neat kite
wut
neon bough
because of season change
neat kite
oh nah
teal laurel
oh i see
neat kite
the winter has to do with her mythology
teal laurel
yeah that sounds wack
neat kite
not the season
neon bough
she'd make enemies alergic to pollen or something
neat kite
so she'll stay winter
teal laurel
she's the goddess of seasons iirc but its more in game season than IRL
neat kite
she is but the winter is specifically a thing that will last forever in game
neon bough
hmmm well I believe she's supposed to get her daughter back every spring
granite lava
wow what did they do to shield
neat kite
in the world of hades
neon bough
right
novel python
So I've seen dem on my first run and then nothing at all for 3 runs
Tf is going on?
neat kite
so eternal winter pretty much
granite lava
can't change direction while charging bull rush!
neat kite
wait really?
granite lava
yeah
neat kite
i only did 1 shield run where i got the dash attack instead of rush
and i could aim that
it's basically bull rush without charging
and less distance
but crapload of damage
it's crazy
granite lava
chaos shield?
neat kite
tho i think it had 1 good hammer upgrade
the one that gives +200% damage to it
that was okay
nah bull rush i mean
mostly for blocking since on its own it doesn't do damage without that upgrade
did they nerf the block?
must have right
i can't imagine they didn't fix that clown fiesta
granite lava
no but since you cant change direction its really hard to use properly
neat kite
huh really
granite lava
just try it in the room
finite tulip
What happened to the bull rush?
granite lava
yeah was pretty surprised, and not pleasantly
takes longer to charge
and you cant aim while charging
finite tulip
Oh. That. No. Haven't tried the shield yet after the new update
It used to be my favorite
Aiming was one of the reasons I liked it
turbid needle
wait... I still can aim while charging
finite tulip
Hmm?
granite lava
you didnt update?
novel python
Alright never taking serrated edge anymore
twilit stag
is it only me or is it actually impossible to turn off controller vibrations without the setting getting reset each time you restart the game
granite lava
novel python
The less dash distance just killed me.
turbid needle
hmmm could do with better indicator for the shield special charge
tiny lotus
I found a crash, going into chaos gate with Guan yu spear causes the game to exit out to desktop
turbid needle
weird, I've gone to Chaos gate with guan yu multiple times myself though, without errors
ionic field
I always felt like Chaos Shield was among the worst aspects, not sure why it got nerfed
unborn trellis
because it was the best aspect
turbid needle
definitely the best aspect
novel python
turbid needle
most reliable, fastest, durable
turbid needle
you can be given only common worst boons and deal with stuff
glass hollow
teal laurel
damn so many people saying chaos shield is bad
lament coral
I took Chaos gates with Guan no problem
ionic field
Even with good boons, it still hit like a wet noodle
lament coral
@tiny lotus how much HP did you have?
ionic field
Chaos aspect
unborn trellis
it was the highest damage shield aspect
tiny lotus
@lament coral I had like 9 health
ionic field
Yeah. It felt like a much crappier version of gun bow or shotgun
tiny lotus
All roiling soul doesn't work 😛
teal laurel
well it deals more damage than either on some situations with hella more utility
lament coral
max or current? Before entering?
tiny lotus
It was 9 after the health hit and then it just crashed. I had 30 hp to start with
lament coral
hm, strange
there's a reporting method for crash reports without reporter
used it twice, never got a reply though
ionic field
When I saw chaos shield was a radial pattern, I was thinking D2 Paladin hammer
lament coral
haha, right?
tiny lotus
Yeah I was I wanted to report the crash but couldn't
tiny lotus
odd went through a second one with 16 hp and it didn't crash maybe there is a sweet spot
regal nimbus
is anyone else experiencing a loud annoying "ssssssss" sissing sound on the background constantly?
grave pilot
Does anyone else run into issue of repeatedly using the dash attack on the sword will sometimes will only let you use the normal attack instead of a dash attack? It will only let me do another dash attack once I follow up on the basic attack string. I run into quite often when I build a run around the Daedalus double dash attack and I'm pretty sure it isn't an execution problem.
tough echo
oooh got a Poseidon-Demeter Duo --- Blizzard Shot : Your Cast moves slowly, piercing foes and firing shards around it. >Shard Damage: 15
@muted needle So the requirement to get this boon is to get Dementer Cast first then have Poseidon boon somewhere else? Or vice versa?
digital flower
"Crystal Clarity requires the Demeter cast and Blizzard Shot requires Poseidon cast."
gleaming ember
Cold Fusion seems broken as all hell
tough echo
"Crystal Clarity requires the Demeter cast and Blizzard Shot requires Poseidon cast."
@digital flower Arigatou~
brisk island
Found first Demeter duo. Yay.
digital flower
No that means bosses are actually killed when they have 10% remaining life, that's not the same thing as +10% damage (if I understand it properly)
@tough echo it's a quote from the reddit link actually but yw ^^
tough echo
How do you fish? I keep missing.
gleaming ember
wait for the bob to go underwater
tough echo
Aye!
brisk island
and l'm just killed my run because wanted rewind dialogue
😂
tough echo
Dammit too late!
unborn trellis
if they die at 10%, that means they die 10% faster
+10% global damage does the same thing
digital flower
base: 10000 HP - 20 per hit
+10% damage: 10000 HP at 22 per hit: 455 hits required to kill
demeter's leg: 9000 hp at 20 per hit: 450 hits required to kill
woeful stirrup
Actually, no. Unless I'm wrong with my math, it's equivalent to an 11.111111....% boost.
digital flower
it's not exactly the same
woeful stirrup
Still, not that OP.
slim trail
if you take an enemy from 20% to 0% in a single hit does it do anything?
tough echo
Well Hazard Bomb and Aspect of Eris was a stupid combo.
slim trail
if you dash at the right time you can get it to work
digital flower
it's not OP, but it scales on the life boss as opposed to a boost of your own damage
lament coral
is hazard the new rail special?
tough echo
if you dash at the right time you can get it to work
@slim trail Blasphemy!
digital flower
the punishment that increases enemy health is actually good with her leg'
slim trail
if you're i-framing when the bomb lands it will give you the damage bonus while not dealing damage to you
tough echo
if you're i-framing when the bomb lands it will give you the damage bonus while not dealing damage to you
@slim trail Will try my best!
charred ruin
Reached Hades in 0 heat with Guan Yu and ideal hammers and boons. Still lost. It's harder than playing other weapons on 10 heat...
lament coral
did you have 2 statuses?
final blaze
https://gyazo.com/2b9326f05ac76253098dfaa3c6c4142e This is a fishing spot right? Cant reach it
lament coral
I had both spin hammers, Demeter and Dio, it was a piece of cake
press F10 and report it
charred ruin
I had what you had but minus the radius spin hammer
charred ruin
Lets say he hits you once for 30, now you gotta find the time to hit with like 5 spins in order to get that back, all without getting hit again.
cedar mirage
Has anyone encountered duo boons with Demeter yet?
digital flower
I've posted a link with all duo boons from reddit a while ago if you want to see them all
calm sable
reading the steam players first experience with a massive batch of patch nerfs is kinda enjoyable ngl
wooden panther
They salty?
calm sable
it honestly isnt that bad or anything, its just amusing to see the reactions after a year where im pretty sure weapons/boons have been nerfed much more frequently than they've been buffed
normal sleet
oh great I went to the steam store and saw the rest of the stuff I don't have yet from supergiant is on sale again
g'bye money
calm sable
i think with the exception of exagryph, which started out quite underpowered
pearl plank
Even as a green-gilled steam player I was shocked by the level of salt on the subreddit
You'd think Supergiant killed these peoples' dogs the way they were talking
lament coral
it's completely understandable though
pearl plank
It is?
lament coral
Chaos shield, for example, was just nerfed
it's still very good, very good
on the other hand, speartip was murdered
normal sleet
personally I thought the pact did a better job of balancing since you need to heat up everything to get more stuff to unlock more stuff
sure some things needed an adjustment but it feels like they hired a counsultant from bungie's pvp team to do it
void sapphire
I mean from a mostly casual player with about 40 hours in, I can't even try the new stuff because of all the nerfs because I can't reprogress in order to get a Diamond or Titan's Blood
woeful stirrup
Those people should never play early access games. No game can be balanced in the first try. And adding stuff upsets the game's balance. Just give SGG time to tweak those nerfs. Also, the game was probably way easier pre update than it was supposed to be. Reminder that beating Hydra when the game released took roughly the same amount of tries as beating Hades now.
void sapphire
So I'm a bit annoyed
bold bear
How does Rare Crop work? Every 3 rooms 1/2/3 of your boons upgrade in value?
lament coral
Zagreus spear was changed, and it's kind of a sidegrade now: used to be special focused, attack now
twilit venture
they're chosen on pick up
pearl plank
Speartip was murdered, but, like, why does that matter? It's not like it represented a cool and unique playstyle
lament coral
Speartip was a key item on Hell
burnt rune
rare crop is 👌
get it early and enjoy heroic boons
woeful stirrup
@Replicant Fish, collect some meta currency and get your blood from the broker.
pearl plank
Speartip was a key item on being busted
If one of like 20 keepsakes is considered a "key item" in every run that's probably not a good thing
bold bear
Or does it upgrade other boons when it's finished upgrading the first set?
twilit venture
nope
bold bear
^Also why the purse got nerfed
void sapphire
Keys and house mats are still going towards unlocking the last thing on the mirror and other upgrades
burnt rune
only the selected boons when Rare Crop gets picked up
bold bear
Ewww
twilit venture
but if you get it early, it's a guarantee that you get some heroic boons
bold bear
lament coral
what, people should start running Feather Duster now? Hourglass with 200% Charon prices?
if they want people to use other items, make those items worth using
pearl plank
Why the indignation?
All the items are "worth using" because they're all equally weak and you have to pick one
unborn trellis
hourglass was already used by many at mid-high heat
woeful stirrup
Game is supposed to be hard. Making every item slightly useful is the way, not making every item OP. Hence the nerf.
lament coral
cept they're not equally weak at all
bold bear
"Oh no, my early access game got rebalanced 
"
twilit venture
so, what's the current consensus on the gold price changes
pearl plank
Well, okay Spearpoint is garbage now, but nobody's putting a gun to your head and telling you to use it
bold bear
Spearpoint still isn't terrible.
calm sable
when you live through seeing artemis get like, 3 nerfs a month every month for a year and still end up being a really good option, you just sort of get used to it
bold bear
15% of the time you're immune to all damage
charred ruin
I still can't think of a better keepsake for Styx
burnt rune
spearpoint still is good, just not a free pass
bold bear
I am slightly salty about the support fire nerf, mostly because it was just one of my faves
lament coral
bracer
bold bear
I personally usually take Acorn for styx
burnt rune
it complements your playstyle, not supplements it
bold bear
Because I'm bad against Hades
normal sleet
when the difference between versions is stark enough expecting people not to be miffed, early access or not, is naive
and I'm certain spearpoint doesn't work all the time, i've walked right into damage upon entering on purpose and at best, the shield doesn't display, and at worst it just doesn't work (yes I've f10'ed an instance of it)
manic dune
it's impossible to balance a multiplayer game, even less so a single player game
wasted effort mostly
pearl plank
No, it's naive to expect an early access game to stay the same
lament coral
point is, people used Speartip and Money Bag because they were just good
burnt rune
I got a ~100MB update today, bugfixes?
lament coral
they don't use Duster or Shawl because they're just bad
charred ruin
Why acorn though? It saves you from 5 hits, but Speartip eventually saves you from more than 5 hits.
lament coral
Speartip doesn't save you from anything but consecutive hits
normal sleet
isn't it 4 at max now?
lament coral
aka lasers, rat bites, overlapping Hades pools
woeful stirrup
Now, spearpoint and purse are average. Just gotta make the others average too. Although shawl is actually pretty great. Big heals.
pearl plank
I just don't understand the personal attachment people seem to've had with stuff like spearpoint
It's not like there was a unique way of playing that got removed
digital flower
Spearpoint is really good on Hades fight
bold bear
It's good against hades lasers, too,r ight?
lament coral
exactly
woeful stirrup
@charred ruin If you don't get chain hit, spear was always useless. Acorn is much better against Hades unless you're bad at dodging his laser beams.
lament coral
it protected you against continuous bursts of damage
charred ruin
Well usually when Hades hits its because you have to watch out from other stuff too. If it was just Hades then it's easy to dodge.
pearl plank
It was basically just a "win styx free" pass
manic dune
the problem is how broken hades lazers are in the first place
bold bear
They're broken?
manic dune
they shouldn't frame skip and teleport
normal sleet
now poison is lose styx free
manic dune
and they shouldn't pass through walls randomly
and they shouldn't tick 23947823427 times when they graze you
lament coral
they teleport?
woeful stirrup
Never had an issue dodging the lasers.
lament coral
I've seen em pass through cover but they weren't doing any damage
manic dune
sometimes the lazers just rotate instantly and you die
digital flower
The lasers are easily avoided from a distance, point is it's hard to avoid them with the sword for instance
manic dune
they would be easy to avoid if they weren't so buggy
can't do much fi the lazer just teleports on you
deep vault
they phased through cover and killed me at my last run
manic dune
after you've been kiting it