h1-builds-and-combat

[stray frigate]

all 5 weapons unlocked and at least 1 Titan blood

[fallow elk]

u said that i have to do a run with any no?

i will try it another time with every weapon

[stray frigate]

usually ppl tries rail

after they unlock it last

[fallow elk]

idk what rail is xdd

[stray frigate]

and when they die

[fallow elk]

IM SPANISH

*caps on

[stray frigate]

adamant rail, Exagryph, rifle

last weapon

[fallow elk]

oak oak

[stray frigate]

try another run with rail

and when u die

see what happens

[fallow elk]

ty ❤️

[stray frigate]

np man hope it will help you

[fallow elk]

hope it too :3

[novel python]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457639241615409173/668565528926879765/unknown.png I don't feel like taking the attack here but should I take the duo or the increased damage?

[quasi pendant]

I like the Sweet Surrender pick. It'll benefit from subsequent casts which you have an additional of and it benefits whatever Attack / Special choice you DO end up getting

[fallow elk]

what is it for with diamonds?

[stray frigate]

@fallow elk u mean why do u need it?

[fallow elk]

for what yep

and it found it ❤️ ty

[stray frigate]

mostly - for songs

but there are some stuff u may buy for it too

want some spoilers?

[fallow elk]

yep, a bit pls

xDDD

[stray frigate]

1 more run helped?

U can free Orpheus and Sisphus for buying it in Contractor

1 and 10 diamonds required

[fallow elk]

mmmm okayyyyy

[stray frigate]

@fallow elk dont waste ur blood

u cant have it back

[fallow elk]

okay

:3

and how i can earn more than 3 bloods?

[stray frigate]

did u already beat the final boss?

[fallow elk]

my papa? xDD i let it 1hp and i died

[stray frigate]

so when u kill it for the 1st time

u will have Pact of punishment

u can make ur run more difficult with it

[fallow elk]

mhhh okay thats what i see on a vidoe

[stray frigate]

add more hp to ur enemies or more damage and so on

[fallow elk]

video

[stray frigate]

but u can have more bounties for that

so there are 4 ways to have more titan blood/diamonds/ambrosia

1st - you make runs with higher heat lvl and get more bounties

2nd - wretched broker in lounge

3rd - fated list if u buy it in Contractor

and 4th - last Charon shop in Styx(Only for blood-1500 and diamonds-1000)

[fallow elk]

Didnt Expect that in early acces have all that things loll

Wishing that new act in 3 days xDD

<3333

u are the best

[stray frigate]

well we dont know what will be later

but we want romance Dusa too

or Cerberus

or Hades

or Wretched broker

[next basin]

tbh artemis support thing needs a buff. the full effect is good but when its partly full its bad. whilst others are also then usefull

[stray frigate]

@next basin for example?

[next basin]

zues support does more dmg then artemisses. like he did 84 dmg multiple times whilst artemis did 120 with luck 360. and zeus can hit multiple enemy's whilst artemis only one

[stray frigate]

one? she can hit more target

also she has GREATEST burst ingame iirc

[next basin]

tbh i think if 1 segment of the bar fired 4 arrows dealing 30 each with also 35 crit chance it would be more powerfull because you have more chance to crit and can hit multiple opponents

also all numbers here are for epic

ye her full bar is really powerfull i just think 1 segment needs adjustment

[stray frigate]

well i do not use it tbh

i stick to full bar

also her crit effects may be improved with other ner boons

[next basin]

its just that 1 arrow feels lackluster conpared to 5/6 lighting strikes

[stray frigate]

well u can add ur opinion to feedback channel

when it will be opened again

[next basin]

ye i will

[stray frigate]

or mb devs already did this in upcoming update

[faint lance]

Hear me out, collecting Zeus’ and Ares’ boons = chef kiss 👌🏻

[cosmic heart]

what's exagrphy's best aspect

can't decide which one to upgrade

[stray frigate]

@cosmic heart i prefer Eris

[cosmic heart]

yeah it seemed like the most useful

[stray frigate]

Hestia looks kinda weird

[cosmic heart]

i usually count on getting infinite ammo from a daedelus hammer

[stray frigate]

@cosmic heart explosive shotgun - better)

[cosmic heart]

it's hard to pick between those two

[stray frigate]

u can combine reload and special

while reloading u use special and lose no time for reload and get huge damage buff

also Eris is more flexible u can make any build with it

cus it buffs ANY damage

and Hestia is for AA builded

[cosmic heart]

true

[stray frigate]

but it usually same AA build with dio or Zeus

[fallow niche]

Poseidon Sword is bae once again

[stray frigate]

also i had some aphro attack build

[fallow niche]

climbing the heat with Poseidon sword rather than indulging in its raw power on low heat finally

Soooo good

[stray frigate]

while she has best AA scales - Eris buff made it even higher

[stable fossil]

Gameplay boon question: Does Aphrodite Poseidon duo boon affect pom porridge from Eurydice?

[fallow niche]

I... don't know

I assume not?

[stray frigate]

well

she is not pom

so why would she

even if she half-tree

[rugged estuary]

Good god I'm playing heras aspect for the first time

this is absurd

[stable fossil]

Because it increases the effectiveness of power poms and pom porridge is just 4 poms

[pallid sky]

it doesnt work for sure

i tried

[stray frigate]

@rugged estuary in what case?

[rugged estuary]

@stray frigate I dunno it just feels very powerful

[stray frigate]

what cast do u use?

[rugged estuary]

Poseidon

[stray frigate]

try dio

Hera can remove most of his disadvantages

like slow animation and inconvinient usage

[rugged estuary]

I'll try that

[lament coral]

@stable fossil it doesn't, cause it's a porridge made out of a pom, not a regular ol pom

[dire fable]

Eh guys, which God had an OP dash?

It was Athena?

[rugged estuary]

So, after about a dozen successful runs and beating a 3 heat run, I finally unlocked a summon. And holy moly they are powerful.

This will make things quite a bit easier.

[frozen panther]

LMAO I just trapped theseus with companion shady

the coins blocked him

and he was just stuck the entire fight xD

[stable fossil]

@lament coral I'm mad

[frozen panther]

https://gyazo.com/4f1d2ad3c082c11307c57145112aa813 Spread fire, Dio attack and Hestia aspect

very fun build

[faint lance]

May i ask what does infernal gates do??

[last nacelle]

They are a type of special encounter.

[fallow niche]

They are a room where if you take damage you lose the reward

The reward you get is on the gate

Poms and hearts are doubled though

[frozen panther]

Their rewards are similar to the 2 special rooms in styx

[last nacelle]

They are easier than most encounters, aside from the extra condition, and their reward is of an elite value, meaning coins, HP, and poms are doubled.

[fallow niche]

They're not necessarily easier when I have enemy speed up 50%

[frozen panther]

true

I always play with forced overtime now

got used to it

[fallow niche]

What I want to know is if they take up a room before you reach the boss or not

[frozen panther]

yes

[fallow niche]

Like if I would see one less room now

Ah

That sucks a lot

[frozen panther]

They're just a regular encounter

[last nacelle]

Yes, but only if they aren't right before the last room.

[fallow niche]

Good thing I never take them on high heat runs

[last nacelle]

If a gate appears before the boss shop, you lose nothing.

[frozen panther]

I only take them it if its health

50 health is very decent

[fallow niche]

That is true

[lament coral]

you can also use Fated Authority on em to change rewards

same as a regular room

[frozen panther]

but then u get these "ghost" enemies like the one hades spawns and i get rekt

[last nacelle]

Does getting a double empty pom give you twice as much gold?

[fallow niche]

double ghost 50% bonus speed splitters

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[frozen panther]

ikr

[lament coral]

never seen empty double pom

[frozen panther]

yeah same

well time to go for 45 heat

[fallow niche]

Empty double pom?

[lament coral]

like a pom out of Erebus

[frozen panther]

Im assuming a double pom when you dont have any boons?

[last nacelle]

If you get a pom with no boons, don't you get gold from it?

[fallow niche]

Can you even get to 45 heat with the current heat modifiers? @frozen panther

[lament coral]

you know how you get 170 gold if you use a pom without any levelable boons?

[fallow niche]

... I never knew that

[lament coral]

so we're wondering what'd happen if you used a pom that grants 2 levels without any boons

[frozen panther]

Yeah max is 45 heat, forge

[fallow niche]

I feel like I maxed out almost everything on my 32 heat run

[lament coral]

would that give you 340 gold?

[frozen panther]

340 gold oof

that's something

but at what cost

[fallow niche]

oh

just double checked

the mods I didn't use

are super brutal

[lament coral]

it might be worth it early on

[fallow niche]

I actually think its physically impossible to beat 45 heat

losing the mirror is too much

[frozen panther]

Yeah i think so too

[fallow niche]

everything else just makes it heavily rng dependent

but losing mirror + all that = insta lose

[frozen panther]

Budget cuts, no choice, u take extra damage, enemies have more hp

[fallow niche]

unless its perfect seed

[lament coral]

my first empty pom came as a result of getting a pom right after the first Tartarus room

[frozen panther]

and dont get me started with middle management in asphodel

[fallow niche]

That barge

With middle management

Is harder than all the bosses in the game combined

Seriously

[frozen panther]

Barge for me is honestly fine, the stupid gorgon head room tho

20 damage on drop plus 25 from the wave

no ty

[fallow niche]

Nah gorgon is ez even with upgraded powers

dodge drop and wave

[frozen panther]

just dodge 4head

[fallow niche]

i mean yeah

this may come down to our prefered weps

[frozen panther]

literally anything but the sword and spear xd

[fallow niche]

pfft

[frozen panther]

Chaos shield is a breeze

[fallow niche]

I mean with rail its easy

[frozen panther]

for barge

[fallow niche]

for gorgon

shield ko's both of those

[frozen panther]

mhm

[fallow niche]

sword and spear also beat both I feel like? depends on build tho

poseidon sword op op

[frozen panther]

I need to play Charon bow again

been using hera way too much recently

[faint lance]

Im sorry to interrupt but any advices on using the bow btw??

[frozen panther]

i still dont like the sword tbh

@faint lance which aspect?

[last nacelle]

Hypnos says "Just don't get hit."

[fallow niche]

@faint lance each aspect plays way differently

which one do you care about?

[frozen panther]

first aspect on bow is... meh

[fallow niche]

first aspect bow is explosive shot

or bust

[frozen panther]

yeah true

[fallow niche]

aphrodite + artemis explosive shot = BAM

[frozen panther]

Charon is fine with like any good special

[fallow niche]

god forbid you also get dual shot

[faint lance]

Im new at the game so i dont think i even come to that stage to know which is which aspect,,

[frozen panther]

ah

[fallow niche]

Ah then Zag aspect, the first one, with no buff

[frozen panther]

well once you unlock all the weapons, you'll get to that

Man, I dont even have anything for regular bow to suggest tbh xD

[fallow niche]

I suggest staying at a range I guess? I mostly suggest explore everything for yourself and see what you like most that early @faint lance

I just spend the first group of runs just figuring the game out

[frozen panther]

I just play whatever and kept my range until i got charon and hera

[fallow niche]

Only after I beat the final boss did I hop on here

Didn't want to be spoiled

Quite love SG games

[frozen panther]

my first SG game

[fallow niche]

Don't worry none of them play like this

Just the dialog and chars

[frozen panther]

Pyre kekw

dialogue simulator

[fallow niche]

Pyre is NBA Jam the visual novel

and I love it

[frozen panther]

I was too busy 100%ing Dead Cells before I heard about Hades

[fallow niche]

Sadly, despite how creative it is, the fact that story beats literally rely and change on you winning or losing puts a ton of stress on ya

And yeah DC is cool

[frozen panther]

100% in 96 hours. Probably the only thing I'm proud of

[fallow niche]

I come from Grim Dawn with 2.5k hours lul

[frozen panther]

yikes

[fallow niche]

All hardcore too

[frozen panther]

2.5k

thats a lot

[fallow niche]

Nothing compared to some of my older games

Starcraft? Don't get me started

RIP that game btw

[frozen panther]

Most I ever spent on a game is 1260 hours

and it was league

[fallow niche]

Still smaller than my DOTA2 hours

Anyway a lot of things you learn in those games apply here

[frozen panther]

we should probably move to #off-topic-discussion

[fallow niche]

Makes playing Hades a pretty smooth experience

[lament coral]

@frozen panther you got the onions, too?

[fallow niche]

Nah m8 I got this, its called a segue

[frozen panther]

yeah true

[fallow niche]

Oh wow Hades currently at 120hrs

[frozen panther]

Onions have layers. Ogres have layers.

[lament coral]

I'm still missing 8 onions after a 100 hours, just can't bring myself to throw Erebus on purpose

[fallow niche]

Onions?

[frozen panther]

the thing u get after failing erbeus

[fallow niche]

Wot

[lament coral]

you get an onion for losing in Erebus

[fallow niche]

👀

Is this used for anything?

[frozen panther]

codex

i guess

xD

[lament coral]

it restores 1 HP

[fallow niche]

bruh

[frozen panther]

1 hp

damn thats a lot

thx SG

[fallow niche]

I can just imagine it

They have Hades laugh as you pick it up

[frozen panther]

Hades laughs at you too ;-;

[fallow niche]

called it

[lament coral]

^

[fallow niche]

lmao

Codex hmmm

Gonna look for that

Even if its insulting

[frozen panther]

if hades didnt laugh, i'd riot at this tbh

[fallow niche]

I want everything done before my 100th completed run in a row

[lament coral]

Hades' laugh is nothing

when I heard Nyx laugh, I almost laid a brickhouse under meself

[frozen panther]

run for the hills

[lament coral]

now that was horrifying

[frozen panther]

100 clears in a row?

monkaW

[lament coral]

nah, total

[fallow niche]

row

[frozen panther]

time to spam hunting blades

[fallow niche]

https://i.imgur.com/tLAqYcX.png

here's a recent one @frozen panther

[frozen panther]

13 mins on spear dang

[fallow niche]

Spear is very good

[frozen panther]

That 32 on shield tho... cant say im not surprised xD

[fallow niche]

If you get hammer early and flurry and rush down Zeus you win the game

Also the special launcher upgrade is also nuts

Probably equally as good

[frozen panther]

hm might try it

i know flurry with poseidon zeus is good

but i never really tested the spear any further

[fallow niche]

Just go pure Zeus, its much easier to build imho

Poseidon Zeus is so finicky when I get their duo

And if I don't get it Poseidon by himself does such pitiful damage

[frozen panther]

hm lemme actually try that rn

any preferred aspect?

[fallow niche]

Zag

Allows you to go into either build

Flurry or Launcher

You want that hammer early to help you decide though

[lament coral]

why Zeus on spear? Isn't Ares better?

[fallow niche]

Flurry makes you attack faster than rail

Zeus is way better for DPS

Ares is better for more nuanced Athena builds imho

[lament coral]

ok, so what do you do if you don't get flurry?

[frozen panther]

https://gyazo.com/4754afc3d69ee041a9606b0cc03f6bfb well that was easy xd

[fallow niche]

You either get Flurry or the explosive launcher

Yup!

I like Aphrodite the most on it

Usually go Aphrodite / Athena /Artemis to cover all ends

[lament coral]

are you telling me that Zeus is also best for the launcher?

[fallow niche]

No

I just said Aphrodite for launcher

[lament coral]

is that on Achilles?

[final fox]

achillies can't get launcher

[fallow niche]

No, Zag, Achilles can't get it

[lament coral]

oh, I didn't know

[fallow niche]

150% special speed on Zag

[lament coral]

I've been running Artemis launcher this whole time

[fallow niche]

If you get Hermes on that special it goes waaay faster too

Its kinda nuts

Artemis on it is also good

[lament coral]

so why Aphro though? Highest base damage?

[fallow niche]

But I think for better scaling with Privileged Status you want Aphrodite

And yeah high base damage combined with priv stat

[lament coral]

ah, I see

[fallow niche]

And then you can get Artemis later on if you get exposed

And her duo boon with Athena will get you that crit anyway

[frozen panther]

ok so aphro artemis?

[lament coral]

Athena attack/Aphro special?

[fallow niche]

So its Aphro > Athena once aphro on special > artemis on attack or cast

Athena dash hopefully

If you can't get aphro special then artemis is a fine second

[lament coral]

but then your only source of PS is to dash through?

[fallow niche]

Thats fine, its easy to trigger with it

I run so many PS build with just the dash as a source

Esp for deflect dash

[lament coral]

I see

[fallow niche]

Even though this is a ranged build you can just dash past dudes and shoot them from behind, then strafe behind them again and shoot, etc

shoot them in between dashes

I play quite mobile

And the massive range allows you to fight from any distance too

I think that spear goes straight off-screen until it hits something

[lament coral]

I wanna suggest flurry special as Zag aspect's lvl 5 bonus

my special button is starting to wear out

[fallow niche]

I rebind my keybindings each time I do a different build

I put special on m1 and attack on m2 lmao

For this build specifically

[lament coral]

I have special on m2 by default, and cast on Q instead

[fallow niche]

Yeah that's default

[lament coral]

so I don't have to swap all the time

nah, default is Q special and M2 cast

I meant my default

[fallow niche]

I do whats best for my hands since I suffered some pretty severe hand injuries two years ago

Also huh I guess my normal bindings are Q cast and m2 special

Forgot that the normal ones were different

[lament coral]

yep

I saw someone mention how changing the default bindings to those made the game feel much better for em, so decided to give it a try

haven't looked back since

[fallow niche]

Trying out the Zeus aspect shield to see if its really that bad

I regret my decision immediately

Its so godawful

Why does this exist

[fierce iron]

Bully potential

nothing like bull rushing enemies into your floating shield

[lament coral]

why not pick Chaos and bull rush into them instead?

[frozen panther]

https://gyazo.com/98375011b12b54b171aef29da9dac91a well that was fast

could've done it even faster if i didnt take an elite room in styx

[fierce iron]

Always could if you wanted, Zeus Aspecet's floating shield also breaks projectiles if you need that

Chaos Aspect probably does have more damage potential though

[fallow niche]

The aoe on the floating shield is just so small

And bull rushing enemies into it is extremely awkward since they path towards you while you try to get into position to bull rush one dude in, and that's away from the shield

[fierce iron]

Yeah I do kinda wish there was a way to make the floating shield's AoE a bit bigger, whether through hammer or titan blood upgrades

[frozen panther]

just remove all the weapons and force zagreus to fight with his fists lol

man up, zagreus

[fierce iron]

Man I could go for a fist-type weapon, not gonna lie

[fallow niche]

new weapon is just zag going man-mode

a-hem. slaps the shhhtuff out of his dad

ten ton palms

'you aint sendin me back, but you bout to catch these hands'

🖐️

[frozen panther]

catch me ousside how bout dat

https://tenor.com/view/catch-me-outside-dr-phil-how-bout-dat-cash-me-gif-7576743

Next weapon update: Mohammed Ali

[slender kettle]

I was thinking about what the new weapon could be earlier today, I didn't consider this option.

I think this is better.

[frozen panther]

lol

Preach

I really wanna see some sort of staff/wand thing

idk why

its like the whole scythe thing with DC until the game actually added it xD

everyone kept asking for it for ages lol

[slender kettle]

I thought it'd be a big ol' sickle or something, considering the only member of the original six who isn't represented.

Is that a spoiler? I dunno, I'm being intentionally vague in case.

[frozen panther]

just yoinks than's scythe monkaW

[fallow niche]

We have enough ranged weps

I would like a new melee

Scythe would be sickle

[frozen panther]

melee... booooo

ban that man

[slender kettle]

I would like a very fast and short ranged weapon.

[frozen panther]

sais?

[fallow niche]

I mean spear technically does that if you get flurry

[slender kettle]

Ew spear.

[fallow niche]

Spear is great

[frozen panther]

Just get a mothaeffin katana here

[slender kettle]

I don't like the spear. I use the Shield.

[frozen panther]

shield.. ew

[slender kettle]

Yeah

[fallow niche]

shield.. ew

[frozen panther]

imagine using a weapon

smh

[slender kettle]

I expected that.

[fallow niche]

ok mr power gamer

jokes aside shield is fun

[frozen panther]

I beat hades with dash build

[fallow niche]

its just a bit too strong atm

[slender kettle]

I like throwing... what is it, 4 shields at once right now?

[frozen panther]

5

extra

[fallow niche]

5

soon to be 4

[slender kettle]

No, no, what I've got.

[frozen panther]

soon to be none cuz they'll delete chaos

[fallow niche]

pfft

nah the idea is cool

tho the problem with it is largely the problem with shield being too good in general probs

or rather, explosive return could be the nerf target

[frozen panther]

now that im thinking about it, Sais would be super cool

[fallow niche]

yeah it would

[frozen panther]

dang it, do i spam SG for it?

if it works with DC, it'll surely work with SG right? xD

[fallow niche]

Just give them some feed back next time its open

They'll see it

[finite thunder]

Shield is awesome and it’s the first weapon I used to beat the game

[slender kettle]

Hey, mine too!

[fallow niche]

I'd much prefer a scythe mostly because its the ultimate edgelord weapon and they always have sick movesets in games

[finite thunder]

Nice!

[frozen panther]

took me 52 mins to beat the game first time... with shield

[slender kettle]

It took me, what... 32?

[frozen panther]

I just really took my time xd

[slender kettle]

Fair.

[fallow niche]

29 minutes on Rail I think

[frozen panther]

cuz it was also like my 5th run

or smth

[fallow niche]

It was my 5th run

[finite thunder]

I like the idea of a weapon that has a short reach and requires a lot of mobility to get in quick, hit the target with quickly, and then dash out with

[frozen panther]

5th run too

[finite thunder]

Something high damage but low range, and maybe something that increases your mobility through perhaps another dash

[fallow niche]

I feel like 5th run should be the right amount once you get the hang of the game

for most people

[finite thunder]

I think it took me 17 runs to be the final boss

[slender kettle]

Oh yeah, I was curious. Is Nyx using a placeholder sprite/model?

I had to do it on, like, 8. I got stuck on the Heroes.

[fallow niche]

Yes she is

[finite thunder]

I wasn’t expecting the final boss to have two phases

[frozen panther]

I thought i beat the game on my 4th run but... hades has a 2nd phase

sigh

[finite thunder]

spoilers

[frozen panther]

that was fun to deal with for the first time

[finite thunder]

Oh man I was so pissed when I saw that second phase

[fallow niche]

Second phase is easier than first change my mind lul

[finite thunder]

I beat him on the next run but man it was rough

Oh I think it’s easier too

[frozen panther]

it is, forge.

but just the sheer excitement thinking u won

[finite thunder]

You can dodge a lot of the attacks and he doesn’t bring in allies or throw as many skulls

[frozen panther]

then u see that hp bar refill again

im like... nah

im out

[finite thunder]

It’s easy to space him out

[slender kettle]

I almost had him the first time I got to him.

[finite thunder]

Nova I know exactly how you feel

[slender kettle]

Then I forgot to block.

[finite thunder]

Oof

Blocking was what I always did

Bull rush in, wack him, dash out with a shield throw

Easiest bread and butter combo ever 👌

[slender kettle]

I like it when I have Doom on my shield toss.

[finite thunder]

Specially with chaos aspect and a special buff like zeus’s or something

[frozen panther]

I wish Doom stacked

[finite thunder]

Doom on shield toss is so good

[slender kettle]

Doom does stack.

[fallow niche]

Doom can stack

[frozen panther]

yeah but not properly

[fallow niche]

Its a poopoo stack but dire misfortune does it iirc

[frozen panther]

it stacks to deal like an extra 5 damage

per stack

[slender kettle]

Yeah, it's not great, but it's There.

[finite thunder]

I’m a fan of crits myself so I don’t build doom too much anymore

[frozen panther]

like wtf is that

[fallow niche]

Athena duo is what you really want though

[fierce iron]

If it stacked for the full damage things would melt immediately

[slender kettle]

I like Doom + Crit.

[fallow niche]

Athena duo instantly activates doom

So you just reapply it constantly

[fierce iron]

That too

[finite thunder]

Athena is like a necessity too me because her dash upgrade or call is so good to have

[frozen panther]

I like standing in the lava for 90% of the extreme measures hydra fight

[fallow niche]

Impending doom + athena duo = everything is dead

[slender kettle]

Huh, I don't really use Athena much.

[finite thunder]

I had my first run in with an extreme measures hydra the other day (slowly working up the heat) and boy did that suck

[fallow niche]

Athena is tier 0 atm imho

[frozen panther]

whats the duo again?

[fallow niche]

Athena/Ares duo instantly activates Doom on enemies

[final fox]

doom stack is actually really good for fast firing attacks
doom + stack doom + impending doom on something like chiron bow or rail attack is equivilant to like a 200% percentage attack boon plus whatever bonus damage from the basic doom itself

[frozen panther]

ah

[fierce iron]

Duo is Merciful End

[fallow niche]

Yup

[finite thunder]

Her deflects on dash or call are really nice especially against the third boss and the final boss

[frozen panther]

Someone was saying athena ares is prolly the most dps out in the game

is that true?

[fallow niche]

Ehhh

[frozen panther]

he never said an actual build

[fallow niche]

Its the most consistent to pull off

[final fox]

it's three boons but they're all damage boons
ares is one of the best gods for damage in the game

[fallow niche]

Its certianly not the highest

[finite thunder]

Maybe build some crit and you’d be set

[frozen panther]

but he was arguing that its better than hunting blades

[fallow niche]

Hunting blades + ares legendary beats all technically given time

[finite thunder]

What’re the hunting blades by the way? Are they a weapon you unlock further in the game?

[frozen panther]

no its a duo boon

[finite thunder]

Cause I haven’t found them yet

[fallow niche]

No its a duo

[finite thunder]

Aah gotcha

[frozen panther]

Artemis Ares

[fierce iron]

Artemis/Ares duo cast

[finite thunder]

Oh really?

[fallow niche]

Ares cast, which is total garbage fire on its own btw, with artemis duo with ares

[finite thunder]

It’s a cast upgrade?

[frozen panther]

yeah

[fierce iron]

Yep

[fallow niche]

It makes them hone in on enemies

Not just cast

[finite thunder]

Oooh interesting

[fallow niche]

All blade rifts

[finite thunder]

That is

Really hated

[fallow niche]

Including the ones from dashes

[final fox]

hunting blades is slicing shot + artemis attack/special and then roll a duo boon

[finite thunder]

*busted

[fallow niche]

Yeah it makes them good instead of total garbage

[frozen panther]

its so much damage

[fallow niche]

I never do it though

[frozen panther]

literally melts hades

[fallow niche]

The build is total poo until you get the duo

[frozen panther]

yeah true

but boy oh boy you're lucky af if you get that early

just a breeze from now on

[fallow niche]

Easiest build for any weapon in the game to do, even if not the most optimal, is Artemis for DPS then Athena for defense and their duo boon as a topper

[finite thunder]

Use their trinkets and you’re set

I love Artemis and Athena for my builds

So good

[final fox]

artemis/athena/aphrodite is a great combo

[fallow niche]

^

[finite thunder]

Crits everywhere with athena’s reflects are my favorite

[fallow niche]

Extremely potent combo

[frozen panther]

#ArtemisBestGirl

[fallow niche]

^

accurate

[finite thunder]

Especially if you can get Hermes’ bonus dashes

[fierce iron]

I love crits, lol

[finite thunder]

Artemis is absolutely best girl

It was fun to run her with nemesis aspect sword

[fallow niche]

Her line where she meekly asks you to come get her and take her from her family makes my heart explode

[frozen panther]

Wonder if she'll have a duo boon with ||Demeter||

[fallow niche]

That line alone makes me want to bust tf out of Hades

[finite thunder]

Hey wait I just had an idea for the railgun
I forget which aspect but it was one where you manually reload for I think bonus damage or something on the next shot

[fallow niche]

Hestia

Its incredibly powerful

[finite thunder]

What if it was a bonus crit chance that decayed as the magazine was emptied?

40% and down from there

[fallow niche]

That would be a good replacement for the Zag aspect

which is poopoo

[finite thunder]

Oh absolutely

[frozen panther]

Hestia is thicc damage

[finite thunder]

Man what could be done for zag aspect sword?

[frozen panther]

Hestia Artemis attac

[fallow niche]

Zag aspect sword should do literally anything more useful than what it already does

Because its the worst weapon in the game

[frozen panther]

sword sucks pp

[finite thunder]

Maybe something like every few levels gives a bonus dash?

Nemesis sword is fun though

[fallow niche]

Nemesis is incredible and Poseidon sword is secretly OP

[frozen panther]

Secret meta

[fallow niche]

But nobody uses them rip

Except me

Well I just use Poseidon

Its nuts

[frozen panther]

Idk everyone says they're good but i just dislike the sword

[fierce iron]

Both those aspects are great

[frozen panther]

i cant do well with it

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fierce iron]

Poseidon is even better if you can manage Exit Wounds

just keep unlodging

[fallow niche]

Don't even need them tbh lmao

[finite thunder]

Ima try Poseidon next

[fallow niche]

Just artemis cast with poms

game dies

[fierce iron]

Yeah you're not wrong

[fallow niche]

Its the lowest effort build in the game and its beautiful

And at max power it just DELETES everything

[frozen panther]

Someone throw me any build to do... no matter how crap it is

[fallow niche]

eris rail launcher

special

godspeed

[frozen panther]

oh boy

Instant regret xd

[fallow niche]

its probably not bad

but you're incentivized to blow yourself up

[frozen panther]

oh well lets try it

[blazing pawn]

with poseidon sword do you actually have to hit with the special to dislodge

[fierce iron]

Yes

pretty easy to do normally imo, but Super Nova from hammer can help with that

or if you're feeling cheeky go Double Nova for smaller AoE, more damage

[gray lintel]

i am unsure if movespeed affects dash speed. if it does, zag sword is decent for that IMO

[slender kettle]

Wow, this run has been awful.

Is it possible to make it all the way to Elysium without seeing a hammer once?

[finite thunder]

Oh I have no idea

[karmic coyote]

it is, 1 in elysium and the other in styx

[slender kettle]

I had no idea hammers could spawn in styx.

[karmic coyote]

you can fight hades without any hammer at all, i tested it

you will always get 2 hammer upgrades unless you're actively trying to avoid it, though styx can only spawn 1 hammer

[kindred matrix]

@slender kettle cast builds dont necessarily need hammers

[slender kettle]

I don't run on a cast build, sadly.

[finite thunder]

I actually dislike casting for whatever reason

I rarely do it

[karmic coyote]

unless you're trying poseidon sword or hera bow, using normal attack is definitely more fun

or you have scintillating feast

[sand glade]

I tend not to use cast until I have a boon attached to it. Because it honestly feels weird and useless without one

[full flame]

the rail is the only weapon where i bother with attack anymore lol

it's either special or cast for everything else

[fierce iron]

If I just have the basic cast, I shell them out anyway for the Boiling Blood bonus

otherwise yeah, probably just gonna forget they exist

[slender kettle]

Oh yeah, what's Boiling Blood do?

[twilit venture]

damage bonus when enemies have the cast shards in them

[fierce iron]

Mhm

so if you've got darkness and points into it, might as well

[slender kettle]

Oh, right. Because there's this thing that happens when I fight Hades where the screen goes all weird for a second.

[frozen panther]

https://gyazo.com/38626376b814d85af543c819df2208ed @fallow niche not a bad run tbh

level 3 Eris aspect too

would be a good bit better at level 5

[full flame]

you taunt me with the yarn of ariadne!!?!

[frozen panther]

oh no its theseus run

[native ether]

Did somebody say the great and mighty amazing and all powerful theseus

[frozen panther]

uh

no

[turbid needle]

what is a theseus run? (i have entered this discord a few minutes ago and didnt watch a lot of videos before)

[frozen panther]

Theseus run?

Don't think there's something of that sort.

Theseus is a boss in the game

[turbid needle]

NovaHoje às 01:29
oh no its theseus run

i thought there was a special type of run like trying a certain build

[stray frigate]

[dreamy oxide]

when you run chaos shield, do you take the extra bounces hammer upgrade, or no? i thought it would be good but i'm not loving it, though i'm not sure if it's just me (still new to the shield)

[slender kettle]

I think the extra bounces is better when you have less shields to play with.

I tend to take piercing projectile and power shot because shields are annoying to fight as a shield.

[dreamy oxide]

oh, i like the way you think! thank you.

[slender kettle]

[grand idol]

Woo!

My fastest run yet!

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/391278894872789004/668668900593893397/unknown.png

Nearly 100% movement speed by the end there.

97.6% movement speed

This is my favorite way to play now lol

We need more SPEED BUFFS!

[compact niche]

dang

y'all are fast

[slender kettle]

Dear lord, that's fast.

[grand idol]

I think WR is like, 9 minutes

Boy though, the RNG of not getting a single attack or special boon is heinous

[dreamy oxide]

https://imgur.com/a/ThaQaPM @grand idol was inspiring 😍

[grand idol]

Hell yeah! Good stuff!

SPEED DEMONS!

[dreamy oxide]

i want to go so fast that i don't know where i am! haha

[grand idol]

SAME! My current run is da poop. Last time I was able to get the plume benefit on all bosses!

[unkempt ridge]

does curse of longing not work with impending doom?

I'm not seeing any intermittant doom procs on my enemies, just the one big slap at the end of the timer

[grand idol]

I can't remember exactly what that is

[unkempt ridge]

Curse of longing = 25% doom damage intermittantly on weakened targets

impending doom = more % doom but delayed another .5 seconds

I had both of them together, and it was... sort of? working

it wouldnt do the intermittant doom damage, but it wouldn't remove the doom after the big proc, then it would do 1-2 more procs of damage after that

I guess I need to test curse of longing more to see if thats how it's supposed to work, but last I had it I thought I saw it proc 2-3 times before the doom itself went off

[grand idol]

Father stands no chance.

24 minutes that time. TERRIBLE

[grand idol]

They said it couldn't be done.

New speed record!

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/391278894872789004/668686640801120276/unknown.png

(For me)

Shaved 2 minutes and 10 seconds off my last go.

You're next @dreamy oxide

I feel I'd have been faster had I had my proper Companion

[compact niche]

Congrats!

[grand idol]

Thank you!

Also, bar none, best companion is Shady.

[drifting briar]

Hey guys, is there any way to tell which room will be the one with the sack for Cerberus in the area before Hades/boss? OR is it completely RNG?

[karmic coyote]

nope it's rng

[drifting briar]

Hmm, thought so. x] Thanl ya, thank ya.

[rancid shore]

Do the skull rooms have a chance for the satyr sack?

I've always gone to those first since from what I can remember they haven't given me one?

[atomic panther]

Every wing beyond your first has a chance

So going into a non-miniboss wing first has a slight RNG bonus to it, since it makes it more likely for one of the skull rooms to not have a super-elite fight

[rancid shore]

Interesting, thanks!

[unkempt ridge]

you can get it on the first wing

[atomic panther]

Can you?

[unkempt ridge]

I've gotten it first wing at least twice

[atomic panther]

I thought that got removed

[unkempt ridge]

annoying at times, because if I want to get the benefits of other wings, I don't get the healing after clearing

I've definitely gotten it on the first wing in the last week

I think I even commented on it in discord

[atomic panther]

Huh, the more you know

[heady zephyr]

in my most recent run it was on the last wing

[unkempt ridge]

7 minute time limit, get sack on last wing

run killing rng right there

[drifting briar]

@unkempt ridge Literally me right now, just after I asked my question - if there's a way to predict the room/reward with the sac or not. x]
Thank you, universe.

[unkempt ridge]

yeah, I personally think they need to make that less RNG based. Maybe guarantee the sack after 3 cleared halls or something. it really sucks losing a run to the timer because you got the sack on last hall.

[patent willow]

Is there a time limit on the runs?

[drifting briar]

Luckily I came in heavy health and basically went as fast as I could a little wrecklessly wing-wing banking on remote health purchases/drops and working rooms fast.
Stacked on lots of Duo-Ares and Zeus on Poseidon knockback, lightning deals to benefit wreckless behavior and rode the damage increases from Ares.; also abused Ares Call sparingly tbh.
Wasn't planned playstyle but helped me go quicker on slower bow. (Chrion - doom special )
Nailed it under a min left.
Cheers.

[severe sandal]

just finished with 3 hp after two of my casts disappeared mid-fight. i'd say good thing i had an extra one but maybe that's why it bugged out in the first place

maybe just chaos being extra chaotic

[slender kettle]

Whew! That fight was clutch!

I survived on my last life with 1 HP left.

[drifting briar]

You guys are wild tonight. x] Risking it for the biscuit - HP close. "HIM OR US"

@patent willow Not innately or at base but there is a Condition on the Pact of Punishment (added heat conditions) called "Tight Deadline" that adds a time to clear each region (9 mins first heat stack and decreases by 2 mins per added heat stack) So at max stacks of that condition you have less time to clear each region. :3

[patent willow]

@drifting briar Ok thanks

I’ve only just gotten my first win, I doubt I’ll be trying heat anytime soon

I’m not even sure how you activate it

[rancid shore]

The pact of punishment should unlock after you beat the final boss at least once. You'll see it on the window the next time you try to escape

[patent willow]

Oh yeah I saw that and had no idea what it was

I didn’t want to test it though because it’s too late at night to start another run

[slender kettle]

That makes Heat 4 with Aegis. Should it have been that tough? No, probably not, but Extreme Measures on the Bone Hydra is harder than I initially thought it would be.

[patent willow]

I don’t even want to think about Bone Hydra with a time limit

[drifting briar]

Yeah Bone Hydra was my concern coming in Poseidon-heavy after all. I managed...was tight.

[lofty herald]

“i hope you’re really good at killing adds”

[slender kettle]

It takes me like 30-40 minutes to clear a run, I don't think I can win that fast.

[drifting briar]

Have to be overly precise on those heads when they're feeling especially jumpy.

[patent willow]

I wish that fight had higher damage and lower health or something so it doesn’t last as long

[slender kettle]

Oh yeah, how do you get the keepsakes at the bottom of the UI?

[drifting briar]

yeh, and if ya slow down any you get ridden with supporting fire puddles and skeletons and throws ya off, haha

[slender kettle]

That's what six shields are for.

[lofty herald]

fight probably could use some tuning

[slender kettle]

Six shields and Doom slash Luigi

[rancid shore]

You get those keepsakes by progressing with 4 characters ||Meg, Than, Sisyphus, Skelly|| until you're able to give them the first ambrosia. And I think another is ||a house contract(?)||

[lofty herald]

maybe like one more attack per head and less health

[patent willow]

Could be a stupid question, but is the only advantage of the Rail over the Bow is that it can apply stuff like poison and Zeus effects faster?

[lofty herald]

better innate dps for longer, better special not counting chiron, access to the global damage buff on eris...

[patent willow]

The only time I ever used it I got the upgrade where it fires infinitely early on, and I couldn’t imagine using it without that

[lofty herald]

first shot on hestia can be cranked up to like 150 damage or something with titan blood

[patent willow]

The special seems good but it’s so slow that most stuff moves out of the way before it lands back when I used it

Maybe I’m just doing it wrong

[slender kettle]

There's an upgrade to make them not do that.

[lofty herald]

it’s pretty big as well

[rancid shore]

I think you're also meant to lead the special shot to where you think they'll end up by the time it hits

[lofty herald]

most enemies you either aim at them directly or you aim at yourself and bait them towards it

[slender kettle]

I like the special in Elysium where it can blow up behind Thesius.

So instead of having to be nearby, he can go boom from far away.

[severe sandal]

which gods pair well with blitz disc? i'm guessing zeus

[lofty herald]

switching to chaos shield pairs best with blitz disc

probably the onhit gods

also athena, since the shield lingers and could deflect a decent amount of random shots

[slender kettle]

What does Zeus Aspect do? Unironic question, I only have maxed Chaos Aspect on Aegis.

[severe sandal]

oh yeah i should use chaos, for some reason i was confusing it with the spear bull rush

[lofty herald]

it like

throws out a persistent shield that moves slowly

doesn’t take away your left click attack

[severe sandal]

but i can get away with trying weaker. i just use whichever weapon is dark thirsting and the shield is only on 2 heat while others are around 8

[slender kettle]

Kind of like what Alecto does with the spinny spike wheel?

Chaos is good.

[severe sandal]

it stops after a bit and hovers then eventually returns

[lofty herald]

yeah i think so

[slender kettle]

Ahh.

[lofty herald]

chaos is probably broken ngl

shield in general but chaos moreso

[slender kettle]

I've heard that before. Why's it broken?

[lofty herald]

i’d be fine with a general shield nerf, so also theseus is less annoying

just blocking damage rather than having to dodge is really, really strong

you can trivialize like 2/3 of hades’s attacks by blocking correctly

[slender kettle]

Something something parry timing.

[rancid shore]

It wouldn't be as easy if it were 1 or 2 instances of blocking rather than infinite

[lofty herald]

and the angle of deflection is quite generous

[rancid shore]

Same could apply for theseus and the greatshields and I think the game would be better that way

[lofty herald]

oh yeah greatshields too

[slender kettle]

I hate Greatshields.

[still atlas]

I hate greatshields but shield is my favorite weapon so I can’t bash on em

[slender kettle]

I think a damage threshold to... break the block, I guess? Could help.

Not just on enemies.

[lofty herald]

damage threshold might be wonky

[slender kettle]

On the player too.

Yeah, maybe.

[lofty herald]

because enemy damage isn’t really intuitive or anything

[still atlas]

does anyone know how to avoid posiden attacks on thesus fight? they’re so annoying with no extra dashes

[slender kettle]

I haven't had Posiedon show up for him in ages. What's he do?

[rancid shore]

big even spaced circles iirc?

[lofty herald]

think it’s just the big circle

[still atlas]

he does a large circle of attacks that go off in about .5 sec

[lofty herald]

keep distance from theseus, don’t dash until he uses it?

you can dodge spear without dashing

[still atlas]

there’s a small section of the stadium that attacks don’t show up in but I can’t see a pattern or anything

[rancid shore]

I think if you stay pretty near where you're positioned when the circles show up you'll have an easier time with those?

[lofty herald]

that being said sword is moreproblematic

[rancid shore]

Not sure if I'm mixing up tactics for the different calls 😅

[lofty herald]

ngl i feel like sword is a bad first weapon because you feel so dash dependent

but that’s neither here nor there

[rain fiber]

Hey there what do the different hearts in the codex mean? there's two i've noticed so far - clock, and key

[karmic coyote]

clock means the story is not yet finished and lock means you need to do that character's quest before progressing their story

[rain fiber]

Sweet!

i knew one was just i needed to do something but i wasn't sure wich

[slender kettle]

So if only a few Confidants friends will give you the special Keepsakes, what would be the incentive to max any other S. Link Friendship...?

Beyond "I have nothing else to spend Nectar on", I suppose.

[native ether]

"i have nothing else to spend nectar on" with a side of "i wonder what unique interactions ill see if I do"

[slender kettle]

That's true, I guess. Maybe there'll be something else that's special those other S. Links will give?

They're Social Links now.

I mean later on.

[frosty pier]

Goddamnit now i'm reminded that P5r is 2 mounths away.

Yeah

[slender kettle]

Like... when an S-Link is completed with some you get the special Keepsakes, right? Maybe there'll be something else for the others later on to reward people for doing it.

I've preordered it already. I'm really angry, because they sold out of the Phantom Thieves Edition in the entirety of Australia in one week.

[frosty pier]

Nevermind preordering I bought new ps4 just for that, and now keeping the pain away with dancing spin-offs.

[slender kettle]

That's fair.

Anyway, what was I saying...

Oh yeah, Nyx.

I've already given Nyx all the stuff, I want Best Mom ™️ to give me more things.

[frosty pier]

I wonder what her True Un-placeholreded Form is.

[slender kettle]

Maybe this is a different channel topic by now, but I think Charon is placeholdered too so I'm curious to see what he'll look like.

[frosty pier]

Will she have her own Model Like out stone rolling friend?

[slender kettle]

??

Oh, obv.

I hope so.

[frosty pier]

Meahwhile, I'm half expecting Charon remain a hooded figure, maybe with just more detail.

[slender kettle]

Well yeah. As Hades gets progressively closer to release, Charon's cloak must become progressively more lined with bling.

Or maybe just spending lots of money should do that.

[rugged estuary]

How do you unlock the weapon aspects?

I already have them but a friend wants them and can't get them to unlock.

[frosty pier]

Unlock all weapons + do a run to refresh things.

[rugged estuary]

Oh, that's all? Neat, thank you.

[twilit stag]

when you actually have a really promising 32 heat run with a bow but then the barge of death appears 🙄

[frosty pier]

F

Ah, the middle management, you heartless thing.

[twilit stag]

middle management is fine, it's just this one encounter that's hilariously broken

each wave spawns so many monsters they barely fit in the area

[rancid shore]

double enemies on tiny platform is terrible

I hope they rework that

[fallow niche]

Asphodel barge is the hardest fight in the game with middle management lmao

[lament coral]

just bull rush, looool

[fallow niche]

Its ridiculous, its taken more death defiances from me than anything besides Hades - and that's only probably because I've fought Hades more!

Yeah I don't run shield every single run @lament coral

[lament coral]

rookie mistake

Chaos shield is the only weapon in the game

[fallow niche]

if having fun is being a rookie then i guess im a newb guyz 🤓

[lament coral]

that's why I do non-shield runs

that's where the real hell is

[turbid needle]

Hi Supergiant - can I suggest that in Hell Mode that the shadow limit is not set to 2500 by default? I'm all for an extreme challenge but this type of repetitive game is all about the power increases as you go on. With the 2500 limit, shadow and keys become pointless within a few runs. Keep the mirror infinite and make it harder in other ways (reduce shadow gained, etc.)

[lament coral]

darkness is useless but you get Fated Authority from keys if you have the relevant contractor upgrade

and they're aware of darkness overflow; not sure if anything will be done about it in the upcoming patch

[turbid needle]

not so much about usefulness or not

Darkness + The Mirror is a key power mechanic that makes this type of repetitive game fun, it shouldn't be rendered complete within 3-4 runs in Hell

[fallow niche]

Hell mode isn't really compelling to play yet imho

You can manually turn that darkness limit on in regular saves via the Pact

[rugged estuary]

Can summons not be used in the hades fright? I tried twice now and it didn't work.

[turbid needle]

Reached Hades for the first time. Didn't win, but I'll get him soon. 👍🏻 Also wondering how to assign my first Aspect slots. I mostly prefer Coronacht.

[fallow niche]

Only Bouldy iirc. The characters with story reasons to not show up don't. @rugged estuary

@turbid needle The bow? The Chiron aspect is very strong.

[turbid needle]

Ill try that

[rugged estuary]

@fallow niche I see. Good to know, thanks.

[left timber]

god charming theseus and asterius into attacking each other is so entertaining

[turbid needle]

Just recently I killed Hades with every single weapon, took me a while with Exagryph just bc of bad luck on boons. (Aphrodite on attack, Athena cast and again, Aphrodite special). I'm not saying it is bad. But it's not very rewarding when you choose to go with Poseidon relic and get no attack related boons on his only shown up bubble

Like "yeah, that is the first time I show myself on this run. Want sunken treasures? Maybe more rewards? Or cast that is not really that great when on Exagryph?"

[frosty pier]

It's not wise to think that if you got range, then you don't need a cast.

[turbid needle]

I don't say I don't need it. I don't need a Poseidon one when I have fast shooting

[zinc oasis]

Hell mode actually lack something to be fun, first save on hell mode and finally the "normal game" offer much more fun and can be much more complicated

[icy edge]

Exagryph has the bad trait of overfocusing the player on one source of dmg

[zinc oasis]

It's sad that you can't get all aspects and stuff in this mode

[turbid needle]

That as well

I mean, I usually focus on Attack and special, having call as a trick up my sleve, rarely useing it before the greater call, if it is not Artemis or Athena. Those two are good as both, and I don't mind it that much

The cast is something I use rarely, just because it is ammo based and it is not returning, which makes me sometimes use it at the start and forget it till I go for the next room

The only ones I remember to use are Artemis and Dionisus, especially when I have the Zeus duo boon for the fog

[zinc oasis]

Cast is pretty cool for the 50% damage bonus during boss

[turbid needle]

It is, but also, Hydra and casts droped in lava 50% of the time

[lament coral]

are vases summoned by Hades considered traps?

I just took 270 damage from one and it instantly killed me

[frosty pier]

There is you answer.

[lament coral]

I mean, I believe I stepped into the pools they create on blowing up and didn't die

but this was my first time being on top of a vase when it broke

[turbid needle]

i believe the vase blowing causes huge damage

the pool itself just stuns, no?

[lament coral]

well, that's what I get for being a dumbass

was just doing a shield run to finish up bounties, got bored and started dashing around

boom, dead

[untold widget]

thats been commented on before yeah. they count as traps for heightened security, not boss attacks

[hollow sorrel]

Poseidon cast sounds good on the rail, because it is an interrupt/knock back, and the rail doesn’t really have a good interrupt/knock back by default?

And I thought non-Hestia rails wanted Zeus or Dio on attack, because of the super low base damage on the attack?

[stable fossil]

I mean, Aphrodite on attack can quite literally double your damage output. If you're running eris then you can get around 60 damage per shot max if you have a LV 3 epic aphrodite attack boon, a chaos attack boosting boon, and proper use of the special absorb feature that boosts damage.

But that's a very specific build.

I haven't run the numbers but the dps on dionysus posion might be higher, and Zeus is way better for room clearing, even if it probably isn't for bosses.

[bold bear]

How many rooms are in each region again?

[stable fossil]

Poseidon is just straight up bad the rail in most cases, because you have a short, limited range of fire, and you have to stand still to use it, so knocking back enemies hurts rather than helps.

8-9 in tartarus I think, 10-11 in asphodel, 12-13 in elysium, and 22 in styx counting every mini chamber as one encounter and including the store room and hades boss fight room.

It's about 60ish total

Dont quote me on that I haven't actually counter.

Just a rough estimate.

[unborn trellis]

its 70 total

or 69

[bold bear]

Probably 69 because nice

[lament coral]

Poseidon attacks don't interrupt, they just push

if you have Poseidon attack on the rail, it's not gonna stagger enemies, only knock them back

the easiest way to fix Poseidon is to have Rupture be built into his attacks

it just makes sense: Aphro gives you damage and weak, Ares gives you big doomer, Zeus gives you flat damage that bounces, Artemis gives you damage and crit, Athena gives you damage and deflect, Dio gives you poison

but Poseidon?

[grand idol]

Poseidon is a room clearer. Not great for bosses though.

[lament coral]

he gives you damage and...he pushes enemies?

the only rooms Poseidon is good at clearing are those of Styx

at which point it doesn't even matter

[grand idol]

Nah, Tartarus and Elysium benefit as well.

Asphodel he can push them into the lava.

Styx, it's just disgusting good.

[versed quest]

The first time I won was with Poseidon build with his legendary, very fun, but I lacked dmg at Final boss, would be nice to somehow make that wall dmg do something

[lament coral]

I spend more time chasing after enemies that were pushed out of my range than punching em

maybe if you have a bow or special spear, it's fine

but melee weapons and rail? Nope

[versed quest]

truth, was funny though

I had spear and the deadalus upgrade that quits you the area attack, so funny

[grand idol]

That said, unless they nerf Privileged Status then having Rupture automatically be on poseidons aspect will give it a wild strong advantage.

[lament coral]

how?

Dio, Ares, and Aphro exist

[versed quest]

what is privileged status??

[lament coral]

get two of em and boom, Prvi Stat

[grand idol]

Rupture lasts longer than doom

[lament coral]

enemies take +50% damage from any source if they're affected by 2 status effects

[versed quest]

the mirror thing that upgrades rarities??

[lament coral]

weakness can last over 10 seconds, what's your point?

[versed quest]

oh, well, with zeus poseidon it could make some dmg

[lament coral]

plus, we're not gonna just slap Rupture as is on all of Poseidon's stuff

[grand idol]

Weak and Poison are best for getting the bonus. Then Exposed. Then Rupture. Then jolted and doom.

[lament coral]

tweak numbers, damage and duration

easy peasy

[grand idol]

I mean yeah, but youd have to cut his damage bonus in half and take away knockback.

Then he's just Dio with a slight weapon damage buff

But like, not as good.

Poseidon serves as a room clearer. If anything though, if they want to make him competitive against bosses they either need to make knockback work better or enemies that cant be knockbacked get ruptured instead.

But then that overcomplicates his boons by having a bunch of different effects.

[lament coral]

why take away knockback?

the % bonus he gives would be reduced, along with rupture tick damage

[grand idol]

Because knockback + rupture + bonus damage would be too strong.

Then he's even more worthless against bosses lol

[lament coral]

what? Bosses would constantly be taking damage from rupture, practically non-stop

[versed quest]

the thing is that rupture itself its not that good, right?

[lament coral]

yes, you need to toss enemies around a lot

[versed quest]

it dmgs enemies movement as well?

[lament coral]

damages when they move

[grand idol]

Youll hit like a wet noodle and tick for pitiful amounts. The bonus damage is there to go alongside other %increases

[lament coral]

so you need built-in knockback to guarantee its proc

[versed quest]

well, dont know, only thing I know is that in bosses you have minimum dmg

[lament coral]

you realize that rupture procs every 0.2 seconds, right? For comparison, poison ticks every 0.5 seconds

with the rail, you could have enemies constantly bleeding from rupture

non-stop

[versed quest]

only when they move, hydra doesnt for example

[lament coral]

knockback, my dude

[versed quest]

or less than most of the enemies

[lament coral]

you don't see it but it causes enemies to move on impact

[versed quest]

is she able to be knockbacked??

[lament coral]

you can knockback anyone

[versed quest]

??

[lament coral]

source: me, with a shotgun + explosive rail and Poseidon attack

I was pushing the bull and Theseus around