Probably
#h1-builds-and-combat
muted needle
#worthit
"Don't you have better things to do than to bother me a thousand times?"
turbid needle
^ Yo that needs to be a thing as a milestone
If there isn't one already that is
Someone post it in the suggestions channel
timber tiger
ugh, 20% faster enemy movespeed is killing my elysium clear lol
turbid needle
Just wait until 50 % Forced Overtime Hades
That one's a real spooker
That or chariots if you are sword
timber tiger
which one is forced overtime? more enemies?
timber tiger
Oh, ok
Yeah I have 2 stacks of it on right now lol
I'm probably not gonna make it through the hades fight at this rate
turbid needle
Takes a bit of time to get used to it, it's legitimately one of the heat penalties that make a run hard
that and like Middle Management, Extreme Measures 2-3, Budget Cuts and the Speed Limit one
turbid needle
It's mostly because you took EM Hydra in there
timber tiger
Sure
turbid needle
Won't change it, those are hard
Outside of like Budget Cuts lol
I'd see it as a top 3
timber tiger
It's funny, I did my fastest run with "budget cuts" on because I'd turned it off and forgot to reset everything
20m
turbid needle
The first level ain't THAT bad, in all honesty, it's just that anything beyond is like not really worth the heat
muted needle
I rarely go to BC 500, generally just BC 1000 because you can't take 2 DD with full budget cuts
But at BC1000 you still have 2 DD, extra dash, privileged and a bit of hp or whatever
You're not really missing out on THAT much
turbid needle
Yeah that sounds doable
turbid needle
If you take any level you can just say goodbye to it lol
unless you want to miss that extra DD
muted needle
I could probably make bc500 work with shield most of the time
But not with sword or bow
rail or spear would be okay depending on boons
At the 20-30ish heat level w/ full budget cuts
But honestly I'd rather take Customs or a No Choice over going all the way in budget cuts
turbid needle
Definitely
muted needle
It's not worth giving up the safety net of the second DD, at least for my playstyle
hollow sorrel
Um, I've talked to Meg like a million times since I maxed out her nectars, and I still don't have her companion
radiant basin
I think companions are recieved the first time you give ambrosia iirc
turbid needle
^
hollow sorrel
She's not giving that option
proper jolt
I just had the most broken run ever
Fully loaded legendary
Along with tipsy shot plus flurry cast and burst shot allowed me to destory anything I wanted too
6 festive fogs
pallid dagger
I'm practicing with Coronacht
this is......painful. I can't imagine a fight with Theseus being anything other than short and painful with this.
elfin wagon
I suggest use lots of dash attacks to make bow faster. And it's alright after you get in a couple of hammers
pallid dagger
did try that, but it's...not secure.
any good hammer upgrades i might try to get this thing up to speed?
unkempt pagoda
attack build: flurry shot is fine, double shot is great, perfect shot for dash attack, explosive shot is a lot of damage but slower
basically all of the special hammers are good for special builds
pallid dagger
coronacht is pretty slow as far as the weapons go, so that explosive shot might be something to look into. i remember it really balancing out exagryph's damage.
i'll keep an eye out for these when i catch hammers, thanks
glad mantle
if you get explosive shot, get % increase in your attack damage. Artemis is almost always really good, Athena and Aphro are also really solid
one crit with explosive shot and an epic/heroic % attack damage buff instant chunks enemies
unkempt pagoda
one thing, double shot makes the range shorter, so you'll be at a closer range than normal
glad mantle
yeah
if you get double shot try to find Artemis' Dash Attack buff
from my one experience with it
its really good
coronacht is always rough for the first few times you're using it, it gets a lot better the more familiar you are with the game
possibly being one of the best weapons just from versatility and safety alone
obsidian abyss
Am I the only person that actually likes the spear?
wide vessel
are boons additive or multiplicative? say you get two chaos attack boons: 70% and 77%. is it (dmg x 1.7) x 1.77 or dmg x (1.7 + 1.77)?
unkempt pagoda
i believe most numbers in the game are additive
obsidian abyss
Additive I think
wide vessel
aight, thanks!
glad mantle
the Spear is awesome
Zag Spear Special build is one of the most consistently busted weapons in the entire game
if you can get the spear shot Hammer upgrade then most of the game becomes a breeze
spiral slate
holy heck aspect of chiron
hammer upgrade to get +4 shots
epic poseidon boon for +222% damage
spiral slate
jesus christ
that was the easiest hydra of my life
also got a hermes boon that boosted the speed of my special
glad mantle
yup
spiral slate
does that mean it boosts the projectile speed, or the cast time?
pallid dagger
cast time
glad mantle
cast time
spiral slate
I can squeeze like 3 special bursts in before I have to refresh the homing buff
nice
spiral slate
I'm sorry artemis I needed to sell your bonus to dash attacks boon
FRIENDSHIP ended with DASH ATTACK
now SPECIAL SPAM is my new BEST FRIEND
spiral slate
it was funny cause like
I got poseidon's boon, then traded it for zeus', didn't like it and my next boon was poseidon
who gave me the same boon, but it was epic instead of rare
I think he wanted to show zeus up lmao
glad mantle
yeh
had that happen with my attack damage
rare aphro > epic ares > heroic aphro
lol
them trying to one up each other ot my heavy advantage
solid cairn
ok guys first time actually trying kbm
spiral slate
i m a g i n e u s i n g g a m e p a d s
I jest
when are we going to get hephaestus
for those sweet sweet weapon boons
tho I dunno how he'd be differentiated from the hammers
pallid dagger
okay so i've managed to get poison onto coronacht's arrow spread
it is once again saving my ass
also Hephaestus yes
turbid needle
we probably aint getting hera
spiral slate
hephaestus better have a lot of lines talking heck about aphrodite and ares
turbid needle
Hera historically hated zag
spiral slate
not talking about hera
turbid needle
to be fair i dont even know how zag zag found himself down there
he is supposed to be consumed by titans isnt he ?
pastel jolt
this is the gameplay channel, spoilers are fair game here
or else it becomes very hard to talk about the final boss
turbid needle
that aint a spoiler
i meant that zagreus wasnt supposed to be in the underworld in the first place
spiral slate
ah
turbid needle
i guess he ended down there with amnesia ?
hollow sorrel
I assumed in this game, he was born there and always lived there
spiral slate
^
it's not like greek mythology is set in stone or anything
it's just a bucket of ideas
to crib off of
and it's also not like zagreus was ever a major deity in the pantheon as far as i know
I was big into greek mythology and this game was first I ever heard of him lmao
actually thought he was an oc donut steel at first
turbid needle
He was the son of Zeus and Persephone that Hera hated him so much she tricked him into being consumed by titans, then Zeus got buttmad and splitted the titans into tartarus
so the legend goes
solid cairn
limited movement angles is really getting me
I really want to learn kbm but it's hard
spiral slate
that's only an issue if you're not used to kbm
it's not like you need super precise movement anyways
turbid needle
i've being wondering if they add Hestia or Demeter next update
i'd really doubt they planning Hephaestus since we have Daedalus for weapons
could be Hestia since the adamant rail has an aspect of Hestia on it
The five weapons so far were all used by the six original Olympians (Zeus, Hades, Poseidon, Hera, Hestia, and Demeter) in the Titanomachy, so it's probably something that would fit Demeter.
spiral slate
maybe hephaestus to upgrade the effects of a daedalus hammer upgrade
"you saw what a mortal could do, this is what a god can do"
also y'all know what I want? I want a scythe
unkempt pagoda
demeter would be like. throwing sickles or something
some kind of throwing weapon would be a good fit with the rest of the weapons
hollow sorrel
Hephaestus might be traps, like nets or something
unkempt pagoda
a third ranged weapon, possibly with melee attributes
turbid needle
i honestly dont think it will be Hephaestus there is also others that could be interesting
like for example where the hell is Apollo
hollow sorrel
I don't know what demeter's theme would be, if it's not like healing or something, which wouldn't scale well with the heat system
unkempt pagoda
next olympian most people think demeter, apollo is a close second
unkempt pagoda
demeter is a lot more important to this story imo, for various reasons
hollow sorrel
Would Apollo just overlap with Artemis with the bow stuff?
grim adder
next god will be Loki and Supergiant will be like: psych! doing viking gods now
turbid needle
when i was reading mythology back in middle school about that lad it was really interesting
glad mantle
Apollo would prob be music
turbid needle
Apollo is also god of the sun, right?
unkempt pagoda
god of can't get dates
unkempt ridge
the murder boat is givin me some serious issues
turbid needle
yeah but most importantly he is also the lad responsible for the protection of youth
and that would really fit zag zag over here
grim adder
@unkempt ridge do you have Middle Management on?
unkempt ridge
and extra enemies, yes
grim adder
barge of death, you really need anti-armor of some sort + survivability boost. athena's dash is a good one
that many elites in a close space is tricky
turbid needle
Extra enemies doesn't affect the Barge anymore.
unkempt ridge
I have a aphrodite spear with athena special and thats about it
I got 3 athena boons but none of them offered dasg
turbid needle
I wonder if we get to fight titans in the tartarus one day
maybe an alternate path rather than exiting
going even deeper
grim adder
as for actual tactics, try to pick out the ranged mobs and keep an eye on them
turbid needle
furies arent titans
grim adder
as long as they're armoured you can't interrupt them, so they're going to be the ones hitting you no matter where you dash
unkempt pagoda
meaning the titans' blood
turbid needle
titan blood however being reward for clearing through tartarus area is fitting
spiral slate
now that I think about it
grim adder
especially if they get shielded
turbid needle
probably gonna be a later implementation
spiral slate
dual sickles
LET'S GO
turbid needle
just as you enter a chaos gate
spiral slate
really short range but insane attack speed
movement ability for special
turbid needle
maybe there will later be a titan gate of some sorts at the start of your path
so instead of going up you go down to fight titans
could give opportunities for new areas
grim adder
a phase ability like the one from dead cells (appear behind an opponent) wouldn't be a bad skill
scenic pecan
Question: Fated Authority, the chance to reroll, is that once per run, or a permenant 1 that is consumed when used?
turbid needle
per run
pallid dagger
Coronacht update: I am adopting the reverse Stygius strategy
Doom on the basic attack, Poison on the Special. Working fine for now...still wary tho.
scenic pecan
Okay, good.
spiral slate
maybe a dash in the direction you're holding your movement
and if you pass through an enemy, you do a special backstab attack
or a leap that lets you bounce from enemy to enemy
cough
just give us the odogaron dual blades
turbid needle
i find most ares boons to be dissapointing
spiral slate
ares sucks
don't @ me
ares and athena are usually hard passes for me unless the alternative is like, gold
turbid needle
i remember to try to make a meme build with ares and hermes by blade rift dashes but it was god awful
hollow sorrel
I use the Ares keepsake the least. Only 2 out of the 4 main abilities (attack/special/dash/cast) can help proc privileged
turbid needle
the best one to stack buffs with is zeus especially if you get his legendary
and he also has the best call
hollow sorrel
and Ares cast means -50% damage on bosses
solid cairn
ok I died as expected
pallid dagger
i tend to stick Doom on whichever aspect of the weapon is slower. i.e on stygius and exegryph, the stronger, slower special gets doom, and the basic attack is faster, so it gets poison that can stack quickly
grim adder
what are the red minions summoned in the final fight called?
solid cairn
getting a little better at it
turbid needle
i dont think hades summons reds
unkempt pagoda
wretches, probably
turbid needle
i saw grey
unkempt pagoda
it's what he calls everything
turbid needle
like random opponents
grim adder
red, grey, the tier above elite
turbid needle
that you faced before
grim adder
I'd call them champions but that conflicts with the enemies in elysium being referred to as such
turbid needle
Dionysus boons are pretty comfy especially since i got that thing that upgrades your boons with nectar finally
also i really want to one day do a repeat of my artemis/athena cast build
i even hit hermes rapid fire
pallid dagger
Coronacht Update: I got Relentless Barrage one room before Hydra
it died with astounding rapidity but damn man you couldn't have hit me up earlier with that
granted, that doesn't drastically alter the game plan
but it at least made "get in their face and spray them" a valid strategy
spiral slate
when you struggle through the final boss and then realize
there's a second phase
not bad for my first try tho
got him to like, 1/4 health for phase 2
honest gull
on my first try getting him to second phase I got immediately killed so that is p good
I was like "oh cool I'm done, thank the gods" and then he was like "okay I'm not messing around anymore" and bam 💀
spiral slate
his music tho
absolute banger
I can't imagine fighting him with a melee weapon tho
that spin attack
normal sleet
my last stygian blade fight with him was basically giving up strategy near the end and spamming cruel thrust (do not attempt without broken speartip)
pallid dagger
the rail is the most satisfying to hyper build
it starts so damn weak, but if you play right, you can just hold fire and watch a whole room explode in seconds
turbid needle
had aphrodite attack poseidon dash + soals so that's a +50% , hit 4 chaos boons for like +300% attack, stacked butterfly +42%
it did the trick
artemis was my crit
and she gave global crit to the whole build
boss died so fast
pallid dagger
also @ supergiant i fought Theseus with 8 heat today trying to get the skelly reward
was absolutely flabbergasted, y'all know how to keep things fun
rich edge
wait till you do him with extreme measures pact 😄
its more fun
with %50 attack speed pact and %50 dmg
versed ibex
@turbid needle damn, how did you even get 4 chaos rooms, I rarely even get two per run
versed ibex
I thought the chaos egg only removes the fee. Does the upgrade increase the odds?
atomic panther
Need me a boon like that
rich edge
https://gyazo.com/a82334dcccac062c3cec633eeb4ad708?token=540f2d21ef42fd0d30862718ef45b3ef
Feels good to be done with the shield ❤️
versed ibex
I see! I rarely even check the shops. Guess I should do that more often
hollow sorrel
I still don't understand how Middle Management is only a +1 to the murderboat
turbid needle
is there any other way to get heroics other than ambrosia delight ?
rich edge
exchange of boons gives +1 rarity
honest gull
does anyone else here think that all the armor breaking weapon upgrades are super busted compared to all the other upgrades
rich edge
https://gyazo.com/ee45fd98ac9cf705758980bd54867890
Insert sad panda noises
unkempt ridge
sounds like its time to use another weapon.... or take a break 😛
rich edge
still have to do heat 20 with others
shouldnt be that hard
I already got used to extreme measures 3, tight deadline 7 min
simply they are free heat now
honest gull
the deadline ones seem like the best to me
cause you already move super fast through chambers normally
rich edge
7 min is not a problem, you have to pick fastest chambers tho
like every shop you see
and skip on heat rooms and chests
no time to waste on those
honest gull
yeah chests I could see being something you'd have to skip on
rich edge
shops > fights that take a min
also avoid the skull rooms with armored people in it
unless its a god boon
potent wedge
Hi all, i've been trying out hell mode after about 40 or so runs, and seem to be stuck on three particular points. I've gotten a few wins on normal, but none on hell yet.
- I havn't really found a strategy to deal with chariots, I can't figure out what makes them stop charging, and if i run out of dashes the will spam damage half my hp away or more
- the little chariots seem to randomly explode, i can't figure out what the actual trigger is, i've tried dashing through them, but half the time they just detonate and hurt me
- is there a way to turn down particle effects? i got the sword wave attack, but it's obscuring enemy signals of attack
rich edge
nothing on number 3
1-2 can be easily fixed with chaos shield, when you hold down for bullrush it blocks frontal attacks
so chariots explode them selves on the shield
big one you just gotta use your "ranged" on them or nuke em with aids
if not chaos shield then poseidon knockbacks works wonders
hell mode 2500 chaos reserve is hard, I never even picked up that pact of punishment on scroll
potent wedge
i'm just glad i didn't get used to having more
rich edge
I did 32 heat with chaos shield, that is the only pact I will never pick up too many dmg boosters on the mirror
hollow sorrel
You can try to run the chariots into walls/pillars/etc. If they have blue hearts, you might want the cast/special/whatever to get rid of the blue hearts before running them into something
rich edge
wall smash dmg counts as another dmg too
hollow sorrel
the sword can even safely smack them with the very edge of the special attack
sage dome
Hey, so I don't quite know where to put this (I don't have permission to post in the feedback board), but I found an odd bug with the Summon keepsakes that lets you swap them out between acts and/or refill their charges. I have only tested it with keepsakes below the max rank, but it seems sufficiently unintended that I figured I'd say something about it and make sure the devs know about it.
spiral slate
nice
sage dome
nice
terse marsh
@sage dome look at pins in #hades-feedback to see how to give feedback there
sage dome
Thanks!
grizzled talon
Flurry fire vs infinity chamber fellas
sage dome
What aspect are you using?
mild crag
flurry like every time
atomic panther
Yeah Flurry Fire is crazy good
sage dome
Flurry Fire is super fun.
inland echo
Is this the channel to put game clearing builds
grizzled talon
Damn
Grabbed infinity chamber LMAO
atomic panther
Yes, Robes, here is a good place to put builds
inland echo
Ok well I moved past the screen but to quickly summarize it: ALL the poison
inland echo
^ that’s what I was running
And I had the Spread Fire upgrade for the rail so I was able to do 5 stacks at once
opal bay
When you get duo, weak cast, flurry jab and poision for attack.
That's when things are wack
spiral slate
I imagine chiron + a special poison build would also be nutty
ebon thistle
i had weak + poison + charm
spiral slate
perfect accuracy poison
inland echo
Weak + poison + slow
sage dome
Poison is still kind of a mixed bag for me. On the one hand it's a ton of raw damage, but on the other hand it puts kind of a weird cap on how effective repeated attacks are. I wish that the numbers could be tweaked on a per-weapon basis, depending on how easy it is to apply multiple stacks with the weapon in question.
ebon thistle
aphrodite is my fav boon because of weak and charm, when i realized I can charm everyone
i thought javelin special with doom + ricochet + faster special throw was the god roll
early to mid levels it was amazing.
but when it came to the end ones it just lost its power :(
inland echo
I’ve been trying to use it more but I won’t lie I just don’t like the spear
rich edge
spear is the worst out of 5 weapons tbh XD
opal bay
Charm really is disappointing at last chambers ,
stuck bough
Semi stun locking with charm is fun
sage dome
If you have a charm effect tied to a fast attack speed, that can make the final fight a cakewalk.
Or it can kill you due to an overabundance of urns.
ebon thistle
now i feel bad for thinking spear was the best weapon LOL
inland echo
I mean if you like it go right ahead
ebon thistle
i was so sad that shield was the first weapon that made me get to the end
i thought spear was the strat
inland echo
I love the railgun despite seeing multiple threads dragging it
ebon thistle
railgun with the hammer upgrades just makes it 10x better
sage dome
Railgun is in kind of a weird place.
Where it's not bad per se, but it just operates so differently from the other weapons that it's hard to balance by just tweaking numbers.
granite vine
spear best weapon fite me
opal bay
Railgun is strange, yet there is always a way out for it. Can do stack attack, if not can do powerhouse special or if everything not going well, the build for cast is always an option.
ebon thistle
but i had the +4 special arrows with special crit from artemis
rich edge
you can upgrade it to get 7
ebon thistle
and it was just... insane damage
and i had 5 dashes with dash deflect, cast deflect
sage dome
The Rail is kind of the opposite of the shield in many ways; the shield is strong because of how the game works and how powerful blocking is. Even if the damage on it were drastically lower it would still be good because of how powerful its non-damaging effects are in the game environment. The rail is a much more dangerous weapon to use because of that lack of safety, and even if the raw numbers were tweaked to make it more powerful it would still be in the same 'high risk, high reward' position it is now.
honest gull
my biggest issue with the rail is the lack of range and also that if you keep clicking attack it doesn't just auto-reload right away
like the rail seems to have a range equal to the spear which makes no sense to me
it should be between the bow and the spear
in terms of range
sage dome
The reload mechanic just always feels so clunky to use, especially with the Hestia aspect.
honest gull
enter the gungeon has a reload mechanic and it feels really intuitive in that game
in it you either hit r or the gun just auto loads when you right click again
er left click sorry
abstract pilot
if you reload right before you dash, you avoid a lot of the wait time, but it's annoying to have to do that every time
sage dome
There are a lot of odd interactions with dashes in the game.
Before the last major update you could fire two empowered Hestia shots if you dashed at the right time during the reload animation.
ebon thistle
the reload isnt that "standing out"
so its hard to see if you actually reloaded or not unless you look at the bottom
honest gull
I think the best thing to do is either increase the damage of the gun so that it being harder to use with the reload makes sense or make the reload way easier by having it reload if you try to fire it while the clip is empty
fallen quarry
some love it some hate it, isn't much of a middle ground. I personally like it, and I hate everything for the spear, there is a pretty nifty choice of options, and I'm stoked to see what the weapons will get in the future
ebon thistle
i hated the shield when i first used it so i cant blame u for hating aweapon
granite vine
I bet ur a sword main ew
fallen quarry
sword rail shield
craggy zinc
I think every Hades player has one weapon they love and one weapon they hate but put up with it because they have to anyways
fallen quarry
my spear is heat 1 hehe, meanwhile the rest are 18-32
ebon thistle
my favorite weapon was the spear
obtuse ravine
Spear gang
granite vine
spear gang let's go
obtuse ravine
i have the least clears with bow
opal bay
For railgun I think it needs more audio or visual queues to understand "hey reload the gun pls"
craggy zinc
I dislike the railgun, honestly. I just... can't put up with it unless I get the hammer that gives infinite ammo
opal bay
Honestly I will just suggest that in the feedback channel
craggy zinc
please do, I will upvote it
fallen quarry
are you standing in place just firing it?
craggy zinc
I don't care if it's white text that says "Reload!" 5 times a second when I hold down the shoot button just gimme something
well you need to stand still to fire it, unless you're doing dash-special-dash
which isn't awful but it's limited
fallen quarry
love me some fire dash fire dash fire
craggy zinc
I'll try that
granite vine
I have >average clears with rail but that's because it's on darkness bonus every other run
obtuse ravine
rail dash attack is pretty ok
fallen quarry
With extra dashes, it's hilarious how quickly you can unload the whole clip on the rail
craggy zinc
I like the double hit on the dash attack, at least
fallen quarry
and throw in the shotgun hammer mod
obtuse ravine
yeah the double tap feels nice
fallen quarry
dash attack damage bonus also applies to rail
craggy zinc
anyways it's way late goodnight
fallen quarry
I still don't get why the bow doesn't have dash damage increased
the stat does nothing whatsoever for it
ebon thistle
rip
opal bay
Okay uh. Bot doesn't agree with the suggestion
obtuse ravine
i don't think I actually dash attack on bow haha
granite vine
bow does have a dash attack, it's a fast charge lower damage shot
opal bay
Nvm
fallen quarry
it speeds up the charge rate for bow, but that's there by default for it
obtuse ravine
it doesn't have that power shot
fallen quarry
yeah it does
obtuse ravine
the dash?
ebon thistle
it does
obtuse ravine
huh
ebon thistle
i thought i was just slick timing the power shots while dashing
:(
it was like a metronome
granite vine
spear is the only weapon that I noticed had an actual dash attack, all the others are like easter eggs
obtuse ravine
spear dash is nice
granite vine
if I didn't join this server I probably wouldn't know they existed
opal bay
Some hammer upgrades are suggesting the existence of dash attacks tho.
ebon thistle
every weapon has a dash attack
dud i thought the stygian blade was the worst weapon
cause it only had two uses
obtuse ravine
sssame, then I met Nemesis blade
ebon thistle
then i used the one that pulls out bloodstones
when i use the special
so i worked my strat around the special
i had poison attack then lightning special for extra damage
granite vine
Some hammer upgrades are suggesting the existence of dash attacks tho.
I mean they suggest the existence yeah, but the spear dash attack has the greatest visual difference
I would have just assumed it was a fancy animation after dashing if not for the much larger spear aoe
ebon thistle
its the small things that make me love the game even more
honest gull
the sword dash attack is a thrust
ebon thistle
but he thrusts more so its cool
atomic panther
Dionysus
Since it explodes as soon as your shot hits
And it has bonkers high damage
obtuse ravine
Poseidon cast is fun also
teal laurel
oh
obtuse ravine
if you have a stacked upgraded Ares Rift. that's fun too
teal laurel
Poseidon artemis i should try
I tried Achilles Blade rift
It worked but i didnt get any boons
sage dome
Hey, if any of y'all want to learn how to do a glitch to swap/refill summons let me know. I finally had the chance to report the bug, so It will probably be taken care of and I have no guilt explaining how it works in the short time it likely has left.
sage dome
Hit the 'rank up' button on any Summon trinket not at max level (even if you don't have the Ambrosia) to swap your current Summon out for it.
compact wyvern
Can you not swap em normally?
ebon thistle
theres a rank up button?
sage dome
If you exit the stash screen without swapping your main keepsake, you can re-enter the screen to swap back to your old Summon and it will refill to its max number of charges.
Summons are normally locked-in from the start of any run.
compact wyvern
Cool
ebon thistle
o
sage dome
I hope some speedrunners try it out to get quick room clears/whatever so we can see the impact of it.
compact wyvern
I'm sending it to the speedrun discord
sage dome
What is the speedrun discord?
compact wyvern
Want an invite?
sage dome
Sure!
compact wyvern
How do I invite somone again?
compact wyvern
Sent one
spiral yew
Thank y'a!
compact wyvern
Your welcome
terse marsh
Wait does "support fire" not fire an arrow per shield that hits for chaos shield?
compact wyvern
Ya sadly
compact wyvern
I know
terse marsh
But not shields q.q
compact wyvern
No shield can work
granite vine
Support Fire triggers once per effective button press, from what I can tell
granite vine
Exagryph does really well with it, flurry attack boons as well
compact wyvern
Ya
granite vine
I've also noticed it fires when you throw your cast, without needing to hit anything, so that might be handy for a cast build
vestal parcel
Rail support fire + zeus attack = can't see the screen for all the burning death
Extremely fun against the butterfly ball miniboss: None of the exalted ever get a chance to spawn.
north rock
Unlimited rounds with the rail is fun
fallow niche
Support fire is good on Rail and spear sometimes honestly
I also believe there are some random hammer upgrades for weapons its good on too
@granite vine Oh I've abused that before
Face wall, cast a bunch with Hermes upgrade, proceed to spit out thousands of arrows from your butt. Good stuff.
spiral yew
does the buff from Chaos "+ x % attack" count on dash attack ?
spiral yew
thanks, good to know
proper lantern
with spear build for fast attacks, it has somewhat good use for support fire, but only somewhat.
it's better than nothing if there's no other good options to choose from
fallow niche
Its okay
round warren
Just killed hades for the first time, and i literally did it completely by dodging, feels funny
terse marsh
Dodge based runs are fun
round warren
I got poseidon's dash, then got zeus's duo which made it so that lightning strikes when i push someone, then got poseidon's rupture on push, then got zeus's jolt on lightning
literally didnt bother pressing other buttons xd
i feel like the best part was that i did the run with the sheild, because I suck at the sheild, although wouldve been better if i did it with the sword cause boy it is rough with the sword
half crater
I used to hate the shield also, but I'm realising its actually fantastic
Like, you can just block everything
half crater
What happened?
pallid sky
its hard to describe but
festive fog + poison attack + athena call
- other stuff
like faster call building
also flurry jab
also the zeus thing where he zaps the festive fog
half crater
oh yeah that Zeus/Dionysus thing is super good
pallid sky
it really is
half crater
just like, fog everywhere zapping everything
pallid sky
with the dio legendary
and jolted
and everything
that was the silliest run ive had
half crater
good times
pallid sky
24:17 new record :3
half crater
I just got a win with an Artemis build; had 6 casts, auto cast retrieve, pumped critical chance... not quite as fun as yours but it got the job done
wow nice
half crater
I have no idea what my record is, but I don't think I've come close to that
pallid sky
well i heard wr is like 8 minutes so
whole jungle
Yeah wr was just put under 8 mins ingame time recently
pallid sky
something chaos shield
whole jungle
^
pallid sky
idk i havent even watched it
half crater
fair but 8 mins is still crazy
whole jungle
Yeh
whole jungle
He found a new skip with the hydra getting it below 50% health in a few seconds glitches it so it doesn't go immune
pallid sky
the hp gates on everything suck ass >:(
half crater
huh nice
fallow niche
That skip has been around for a few updates @whole jungle
He just found a way to make it consistent
whole jungle
Ah ok
fallow niche
Or rather, the two speedrunners who have been working together have
That run wasn't even perfect, it can technically get even lower
There were a few bad RNG moments and a few mistakes
pallid sky
well they're in a hurry only a week left
whole jungle
I love how at the end of the run he said "wife prepare your ears"
opal bay
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/583419755608801312/666630784974716959/20200114161220_1.jpg okay so what should I pick to up this to 10 heat?
whole jungle
Tight deadline is one I always use
eternal stag
i mean, i personally would max extreme measures before putting any heat anywhere else, but that's just because i like the fights 
whole jungle
Yeah and extreme measures as well
terse marsh
I feel like people like dionysus a lot but I haven't figured out how to use him well yet?
eternal stag
eeeeghhh i would say tight deadline + max damage control and middle management could be a very bad time
if you don't get the right build
like tight deadline + middle management barge of death > run over probably
whole jungle
Imo damage control feels like free heat with the rail but I agree middle management and barge
eternal stag
yeah i usually take damage control it's just not helping with middle management and tight deadline
whole jungle
I despise middle management on the barge
eternal stag
for ten heat i would say max extreme measures is what, +5? +6? and then pick your favorite conditions from what you have
i like forced overtime more than hard labor but that's just me
yeah i had a middle management room once where i went into a styx miniboss chamber
twelve (12) giant rats spawned After i defeated the boss
whole jungle
Oh god
eternal stag
it was just too much
whole jungle
Did they have shields as well
eternal stag
uhhhhh can't remember honestly
normal sleet
"I like forced overtime more than hard labor" yes this is normal even out of context
eternal stag
i just remember it took forever and it was damn hard
lmaooo fair point
in my head forced overtime is still whipped frenzy 50% of the time
(do actually prefer overtime doing data entry or something to hard labor )
i would love to see middle management turn into something like extreme measures
like a condition that changes/transforms the fight instead of just Adding More Stuff
whole jungle
It does that with the megagorgon which is very nice
eternal stag
and yet somehow i always end up getting the barge of death 
not that i play w extreme measures that much
opal bay
actually I went ahead and did that, I already have 3 rounds of special and chance for it to crit, also got the Athena's dash.
eternal stag
oh nice
opal bay
and upped the speed of enemies
fallow niche
EM is my go-to heat modifier since it doesn't really add difficulty
It even makes Elysium easier honestly
eternal stag
-- oh also, if you Do end up playing with tight deadline, put a few ranks in forced overtime
makes the enemies spawn in faster
whole jungle
Damn I should try EM on 3 then elysium is the hardest for me
opal bay
400 dmg already, this run honestly going well tbh
frosty pier
Yeah but I love trap damage and EX-Hydra can go to hell
eternal stag
i never pick trap damage
lmao my playstyle is way too careless for that
don't like lasting consequences either
frosty pier
It makes you learn pretty fast
fallow niche
It also helps you realize just how crappy Elysium is
frosty pier
DONT GET ME STARTED
fallow niche
Legit the most unfun part about the game is Elysium
whole jungle
Shield hoes
fallow niche
Shields guys would be fine if I wasn't surrounded by a trillion booby traps
It looks big and wide open for a nice dynamic arena with fast moving enemies but its actually so claustrophobic
frosty pier
And hitboxes on arrow traps are broken
fallow niche
^
whole jungle
Also exploding chariots are annoying af
fallow niche
I think those are fine
eternal stag
hitbox on the pink arrows when i stand near them: as wide as state of texas
hitbox on pink arrows when an exalted core crosses in front of them: as fine as a single hair
fallow niche
I wouldn't mind the arrow traps if there wasn't a dozen of them in a single room
Elysium more than any other part of the game makes me feel like I have to hyper optimize my build from the start just so I'm not groaning
whole jungle
It's great when the enemies are just hanging around the path of the arrow traps
fallow niche
Making me never choose some boons or gods
frosty pier
I got to see how my friend got smacked with an arrow with clear distance between her and arrow.
fallow niche
Arrow hitboxes are complete nonsense
And honestly that section of the game may just be why Deflect Dash is the best boon in the game
whole jungle
Lol
fallow niche
It can solo that entire tileset
whole jungle
Dash deflect on the sorta witch creatures that throw the purple balls especially in elysium
So good
fallow niche
Instagibs them lmao
versed ibex
Dash deflect + Hermes's legendary extra dash boon 👌
pallid dagger
@terse marsh ya still here?
karmic ginkgo
If i equip pierced butterfly then later on dequip it do i lose the buff?
pastel jolt
yup, you have to keep it equipped to keep the bonus
karmic ginkgo
Nyegh
opal bay
that run went quite well!
little niche
do boiling blood stack ?
terse marsh
@pallid dagger I'm here now, whatsup?
terse marsh
Yeah
i always feel like the poison damage isn't that much?
I feel like I'm not sure what I'm suppose to stack to make it work
pallid dagger
poison stacks with successive hits.
so if it starts out at 5 damage for every 0.5 seconds, then in 1.5 seconds (its timer) you get 15 damage for 1 hit.
and you can stack it up to 5 times by hitting an enemy that many times. So 5 x 5 = 25 x 3 = 75 damage over however much time it takes you to stack that high. Which, which most of the weapons, is pretty easy.
if you use a few poms of power, you can go even further and do about 120-140 damage just in poison. of course, that's for the poison attributed to attack ("blight strike").
nasty dash starts out with a higher poison value, usually 10-12, by default
terse marsh
Oooh I didn’t realize that’s how the math worked
Okay that is in fact much stronger than I thought
granite vine
explain stacks from different sources too plz
terse marsh
So wait if you get 5 stacks on do all 5 stacks disappear at the same time?
pallid dagger
unfortunately, i haven't played that far into different variables. i know doom does much higher damage but doesn't stack unless you get a specific skill from ares; and i know how his duo boon with aphrodite works--repeat doom damage in diminishing returns for as long as the enemy is under weak status. so if it says the successive hits are at 50% power, it means the second "doom" damage is half the value of the first, and the third will be half the value of the second.
whole jungle
@granite vine do you mean poison stacks from different abilities attack/special/dash/call
pallid dagger
i got a really lucky run last night that the final boss unfortunately cut short; i had boosted defense boons from aphrodite and athena. 19% defense + 21% defense = your base defense + .4(your base defense)
terse marsh
A'ight I'mma head to sleep, tahnks for the info 🙂
pallid dagger
sleep well!
granite vine
And their damage ticks individually?
pallid dagger
yep
obtuse ravine
hahha god. had the absolute worst rng. the only boon I got until the end of asphodel was Doom on attack
pallid dagger
coronacht update: i got explosive on my attack and i couldn't be happier
a roomfull of numbskulls was my nightmare before i got this thing; now i can actually clear it fairly easily
pallid dagger
coronacht update: i got twin shot too and I feel WONDERFUL
all of the elysium enemies are dying in one or two hits
woops
coronacht update: beat Theseus and Asterius. but they kicked my ass a lot. i'll need to find a few kiss of styx's to be secure againt the final boss
obtuse ravine
got bouncy spear, Aphrodite Special, and Aphrodite Legendary. Entire room of enemies get charmed at once
obsidian abyss
Feel like I suck at the final boss fight. I can consistently dodge the skull explosions and the green jars, but I often get hit by the spin attack and I get hit by the initial skull shot if I don’t have Athena dash. Any tips?
pallid sky
evergreen acorn
obsidian abyss
I think I have 6 wins?
obsidian abyss
That’s what I do.
obsidian abyss
Idk man. I can dodge the green shockwave just fight. It’s his red spin attack that’s always getting me. Hard to see the white flaw that indicates it while I’m progressing
obsidian abyss
Duh lol. I guess I just gotta git gud
pallid sky
evergreen acorn is a fine substitute to getting good
obsidian abyss
I thought it only works on first three bosses. It says “underworld bosses”
obtuse ravine
Spearpoint invul is pretty g also
pallid sky
if Hades isnt an underworld boss then what is he :p
obtuse ravine
i have to try fighitng hades again with either sword or shield. Spear special has spoiled me
i just dash as far as possible and chuck it at him
proud storm
technically the surface chamber is still the underworld
i mean
it is the surface but like
normal sleet
so it's not the matrix then
proud storm
yeah yknow what i guess it should just say bosses
pallid sky
im not convinced @normal sleet
pallid dagger
Hades is the god of the underworld. he is literally the boss of the underworld. the ceo. the big man.
obsidian abyss
Me and the boys fighting the CEO of the afterlife
I hope eventually a couple multiplayer features are added to the game. Maybe resource trading or seeing what cosmetics people have unlocked
obsidian abyss
Frick
unborn trellis
i dont think it would be much of a benefit to the game either
obsidian abyss
True
The features it would give aren’t wroth the necessary server investment I guess
unborn trellis
online is hard, yo
local + that steam feature is more reasonable, but not for Hades
obsidian abyss
Local multiplayer would be nice. Maybe a split screen to compete, or some kind of binding of Isaac rebirth thing where a second player plays an auxiliary role?
pallid dagger
"Hades is a single-player game. We have no plans to add multiplayer, as we have been building the design and narrative with a solo experience in mind." From the site's FAQ
obsidian abyss
Oh. Makes sense.
proper jolt
How do I screenshot on steam I wanna take a screenshot of my build?
stray frigate
@proper jolt f11
quasi arrow
Anyone got the Defiance blessing from Chaos yet? If so, how?
pallid sky
whats it do
stray frigate
extra DD
pallid sky
still
stray frigate
u get 1 more like Skelly's
quasi arrow
@pallid sky I just want to complete the quest lines
quasi arrow
the fated list
pallid sky
guess u gotta spam the chaos gate charon will thing
stray frigate
like skelly
quasi arrow
Another itch to scratch in my list
stray frigate
@pallid sky so u mean act like usual
pallid sky
;)
stray frigate
@quasi arrow i had only 1 prophecy unfinished
for all spear upgrades
i tried once 0 heat run just for this thing and lost to T&M
quasi arrow
I'm done with that. Just Chaos' defiance isn't showing up on me.
stray frigate
hate spear
quasi arrow
I got 2 blessings then when I get to Theasus there won't be any chances left.
quasi arrow
oh right Bouldy is a she
wooden lodge
I love how many feedback posts are about how weak and ineffective the bow is, but all of the downvotes are like a horde of people saying "no it's perfectly fine."
No problems here, no siree
pastel jolt
the bow is my favourite weapon and i like it just the way it is
high crow
i mean, the bow is top 2 weapons in the game if you spend the time to learn using it
maiden wadi
The bow's all about timing
stray frigate
there are some thing in bow
1st - u cant cancel special
2nd U CANT CANCEL SPECIAL
stray frigate
Chiron
high crow
get some insane boon combos
gray lodge
What? I totally use the special like a shotgun its greaat
high crow
if you could cancel special it would be so horrendously broken, also you can semi cancel special by dashing right as you special
quasi arrow
I think spears are great esp. against the shield guis
unreal bloom
And bow sometimes stuck and don't fire, like one or two times per run,
or is it just me?
quasi arrow
Ares special with bounce
high crow
propably clicking too fast
obtuse ravine
SPEAR GANG
maiden wadi
squad up spear gang
gray lodge
Gotta make sure you're using #justhetip
unreal bloom
But it is all great to play all 5 weapons, like, it suddenly becomes fun if you abandon it and grab it again
high crow
big brain
quasi arrow
@gray lodge I second that
gray lodge
I just grab w/e has the blood bonus and shuddupppp.
quasi arrow
#justthetip
obtuse ravine
i've been heat climbing with spear to 16. I don't plan going to 32 any time soon so I can finally play other weapons again lmao
gray lodge
Only takes like 8 heat to max an aspect why would people heat climb? Just make that heat gauge cry
gray plover
you get stuff for 8/16/32
obtuse ravine
^
gray plover
||statue||
gray lodge
Right but you skip to those levels and get them
gray plover
I found it fun to climb, but I only got to 10/11 before taking a break from playing
I enjoy playing the game so it's not like I'd stop after hitting a milestone
gray lodge
Like you can bum rush chaos shield to lvl 5 by doing the first 4 heat runs on 2 weapons, and skip to 32 heat
quasi arrow
Anyway, this defiance boon is driving me nuts. It just won't show up.
gray plover
also if you want to get gems, etc, you might aswell go through the heats too
placid plinth
Finally it's the day I managed to make a run I wanted to make for quite a while. Hunting Blades + Vicious Cycle
obtuse ravine
ye, I still need like 7k gems
placid plinth
Though it happened literally before last boss
gray plover
@quasi arrow The chaos one? I think I saw it once in 90 runs
obtuse ravine
for the final house upgrades
gray plover
I'm still way off
I'll play more when the update hits and hopefully get a few more things
obtuse ravine
i have like a 1000 gems 😩 im just waiting for the broker to give me gem deals
turbid arch
Gems are pretty hard to get by. Especially when for the most part, the game wants you to trade them away for other resources first.
Aside from the Broker Items that make rewards and urns better, I find myself trading away gems for keys and keys for nectar so that I can get legendary keepsakes
Or Diamonds for songs or Titan Blood
obtuse ravine
diamonds and titan blood for sure
i have so many keys now lmao
i just trade them away for nectar
gray plover
that's fine for early on. I don't t hink hoarding gems makes sense until you have a bunch of the other stuff anyway
gray lodge
Uh you need diamonds for legendary keepsakes dont buy songs
turbid arch
That is just part of the reason what makes farming gems appear so tedious.
It is not incentivized for most parts of the game until you have pretty much everything else
at which point you basicly have to do it from zero all the way to the thousands
obtuse ravine
which are the legendary keepsakes?
unreal bloom
wHAh??? There is legendary keepsakes!??!??
gray plover
I assume things will change as they update the game so I'm not worried about getting the extra stuff
obtuse ravine
isn't it Ambrosia that's needed? not diamonds?
gray lodge
Upgrading takes ambrosia but unlocking them can require up to 10 diamonds
reef galleon
Is ambrosia needed for anything or is it just a trade item?
I haven't found any use for it so far
gray lodge
That is the most annoying thing about ambrosia it's so useless for so long
gray plover
ambrosia is for acquiring, upgrading legendary keepsakes and getting more conversations with the people that give them
gray lodge
Pretty sure you need 30 diamonds for the quests available atm so dont buy songs
reef galleon
Oh ok, thanks
turbid arch
We have four legendary keepsakes right now and you need 16 Ambrosia to earn and max it out if memory serves.
So 64 Ambrosia Bottles in total.
reef galleon
jesus christ
turbid arch
And you are also able to trade ambrosia into Titan Blood
of which you need much more to upgrade ALL weapon aspects
Thus, I don't see Ambrosia being "useless"
obtuse ravine
honestly, try to refrain from swapping out the big value items until you've unlocked most things
turbid arch
I mean, with Ambrosia and Titanblood, it is pretty much a 1 for 1 trade.
gray plover
I think you can swap around diamond/blood if you can also realistically get them from the last shop regularly enough
gray lodge
Right but i think guides are bad for most games, and this game is one of them. You get ambrosia and you have no idea how much you'll need for end game or when you get to use it. So it's like you'd rather have the dark blood cause you know what its for
gray plover
the wiki tells you how much you need though
turbid arch
I mean, he is not wrong there.
Trading a Titan Blood into 500 darkness early on
is huge.
500 darkness in the very beginning of the world can carry you very far.
gray lodge
I never did that cause my mirror was always maxed ha...ha..
obtuse ravine
ahhaah I was too conservative with my resources to trade out the bigger materials
gray plover
I usually am in most games. I've finished a lot of games with a ton of resources and then I'm like... "why did I hoard this stuff..."
gray lodge
I traded two diamonds for gemstones and that was about it.
turbid arch
Say you beat meg on your very very first run and get a titan blood that you can exchange into 500 darkness.
Those 500 darkness' will get your next 10 runs much farther than they would have gone without it
so your net-gain of titan blood and diamonds overall over time will be much bigger.
gray lodge
Very true, would definitely do that on hell mode
reef galleon
I'm used to early 2000s jp games and expected something like an unlockable clown costume for Zagreus in postgame and not counting ambrosia and planning out my titan blood use
obtuse ravine
god, I hope they do cosmetic costumes
turbid arch
Why plan it=
gray lodge
Okay wtf, why doesnt zag have different skins
turbid arch
What is there to plan?
@gray lodge I made a suggestion about Zag getting God-themed recolor skins after getting maximum affection with an Olympian god
gray lodge
How do you type in spoiler font?
grand patrol
id assume bc it takes a whiiiile, but itd look cool!
gray lodge
lltestll
stray frigate
|| and same in the end
obtuse ravine
put a space
gray lodge
ll test ll
obtuse ravine
huh
gray lodge
|| TEST ||
Thx guys
Zag needs an adamant rail skin like || Theseus extreme measures 3 ||
turbid arch
||I'm the greatest.||
gray lodge
Alright guys, most important part of gameplay, what's for lunch before I go back to playing hades?
untold widget
gravel
fallow niche
greek food if you want on theme
otherwise BORGAR
supergiant is based in US
fitting
gray lodge
Yes, I shall make myself an aterius burger. To the grill!
quasi arrow
I'm on Steam Controller. It's okay
gray lodge
I really wish supergiant could have zag call aterius a big mac. Stupid copyrights
fallow niche
M+KB here, I occasionally lose my cursor in the middle of fights because it blends in and I hate it
Otherwise controls feel very good
The isometric sort of view makes it not bad
gray lodge
As opposed to 4 directional movement?
fallow niche
Mouse lock is the real curse
turbid arch
@gray lodge Fast. According to greek philosophs, it's healthy.
fallow niche
Actually throttles the mouse
turbid arch
Consult your doctor before you do.
quasi arrow
@turbid needle true that
gray lodge
@turbid arch its healthy if you work out, but otherwise you end up binging more carbs when your off fast
cold oriole
wowow lightning rapid spear
cut my best clear time from 43 minutes down to 34 with a single lucky run
thats insane
gray lodge
I wish you could scroll through your winning runs
cold oriole
hilariously its also the first time ive cleared with spear
usually the final boss gets me with it
anything can crit with pressure points or hunters mark yes
as far as im aware
gray lodge
Including the Artemis arrows, hype
cold oriole
id assume so
quasi arrow
poison and doom are curse boons usually
gray lodge
Spread fire and Adamant rail are the goat.
gray lodge
If you have spread fire you want piercing or explosive ammo as the icing on the cake
final fox
Arrows and Zeus lighting proc once per use of attack/special. That's the internal cooldown.
So if you get spread fire, for five shots per attack, you'll still only proc one arrow or lightning bolt per attack. Triple Bomb will still proc 3 arrows/bolts because it's 3 separate attacks.
gray lodge
If you have spread fire attack, the dps is off the charts if you know how to dash fire properly. You kill hydra heads in a second
gray lodge
That just means your biased. Gg
cold oriole
oh sure
gray lodge
cold oriole
ive seen every change the game has given us so im sure i have some bias
but doesnt mean i cant have my favorites
im not a huge rail fan to begin with
the heartseeker has always been my fave
heartseeker spec builds are awesome
gray lodge
I'm not a fan of the rail, cause I dont get spread fire every run, because I dont like using bombs for everything.
cold oriole
double barrage with posideon spec is hilarious
you need razor shoals and second wave for it to really punch
but it does mad damage once you get them
gray lodge
Beagles you play it like stygian, and you get right in their face, and dash diagonally in between shots to immediately pump out an extra shot resulting in 20 bullets per second.
With Artemis crit or aphrodite fat attack modifier, you can just dash ontop of hades and not dodge anything with the broken spear point. Only need 200 health and you'll out dps him
I wouldnt be able to do it with controller, if that's what you're using
cold oriole
yeahh controller is not ideal for this game imo
since so much agressive repositioning and aiming is required for high level runs
versed quest
hey, dont know if someone likes it, so bcs im not enough sure to put it in feedback Ill say it here: I feel annoyed of havin a keepshake I like, accidentaly unusable on a run bcs I forgot to change it before making the run, maybe its for a balance situacion, which I dont know how can be exploided, but I think you should be able to change to the same keepshake at least once, dont really know if this would broke some kind of specific run so, what do you think